The Qing were the ruling Manchu dynasty that controlled China from Beijing, but in 1850 Hong Xiuquan, the Taiping leader proclaimed himself the brother of Jesus and established a Christian communal like state in Nanjing and controlled large parts of Southern China. It took the western backed Qing government 14 years to defeat the Taipings at the cost of 20 million lives. In this scene the guys with the long hair are the Taipings
It took 14 years not because the western world backed the Qing but due to the inconpetancy of the Qing government to realize that the world is changing. Like in the movie, you can see just how technologically inferior the Qings were compared to the Taiping rebels. One side had cannons and matchlocks while one side were still charging in with sabers and shields like it's god damn 1300s. The Qings was fighting the battle that way for ages and I have to admit that bows and arrows do have a faster firing rate but a row of musket can drop more men in a line (As seen in the Napoleonic Wars) vs a column of archers at a longer range and this made the Taiping rebels tactically superior for a decade as they had more blackpowder weapons against the ancient Qings. It was only after losing all of the regions in Nanjing and Jiangdong sans-Shanghai then did the Qing realized how backwards they are and quickly pleaded with the foreign powers to send aid and military expertise to help them. By 1858, the Qing army had close to no muskets but when 1860 rolled in, 2 of the 8 Banner Army were armed with muskets and with the newly formed foreign-led Qing legions like the Ever Victorious Army (常勝軍) then did the Qing beat back the Taiping rebels.
No wonder the Taiping fighting with muskets(obsolete kind but still...)I wonder what the result might be if they just fought with (up to that date) European tactic and weaponries.
Its not well documented but the Taiping Rebellion was possibly the bloodiest civil war in history with only the An Lushan Rebellion and Russian Civil War coming close to overall deaths (though in proportion to population the American Civil War was devastating) With an estimated 25 million deaths this was a terrible terrible war- a toll equivalent to the whole of WW1.
An lushan rebellion is the bloodiest rebellion if we use ratio. China had 60 million in an lushan time, 20 million died, 1/3rd China had 300 million in Taiping, 30 million died. 1/10 of population
I gotta say this is one of the most epic battle scenes in history. The vastness of the battle and the large variety of troops wield anything from a spear to a matchlock musket to a heavy sword. I really feel like I'm in the middle of the battle fighting for my life.
Tapping is just using Christ to achieve its politics goals，In fact, in their ruling areas, they were even more corrupt and authoritarian than the Qing government
The history records that Qing dynasty has gotten corrupt, and grew excessively cruel against its subjects (non-Manchus) in the turn of the 19th century. Western nations sold opium for silver, which was the foundation for Qing dynasty's currency. BTW, flintlock firearms have long re-loading time and difficult to make. And unlike composite bows, it cannot be used during wet weather. It wasn't until the introduction of cartridge breech-loading rifle that stopped Qing from using composite bow.
Yes, the Chinese Qing dynasty also had a huge problem sourcing silver to make their currency. They would import massive amounts of silver into China from Europe. This gave western nations a huge bargaining chip that led to the opium wars.
I think any dynasty past it’s zenith could be labeled cruel. It wasn’t an imperial policy to be cruel but rather the bloated bureaucracy allowed for corruption to spread with little to no response from the long sinicized “Manchu,” elite. Most dynasties get labeled cruel by their successors. The Qing called the Ming cruel, the Ming the yuan, so on and so forth. Even republican China would disavow the Qing just as the PRC would to the ROC. Pick your flavor of propaganda but it’s all the same political maneuvering at the end of the day.
@@maximilianmus644 Thus their downfall isnt it? When things are fine, the separated manchu-han is okay. When things arent fine....the separation of rich minority vs poor majority would lead to conflicts...and greater and greater conflicts.
The so called Taiping Rebellion was the bloodiest civil war ever fought. It lasted from 1851-1863 with a death toll of over 20 million. The world would not see these kinds of losses in battle again until WWII. It even surpassed the number of deaths in battle of WWI. By comparison, total losses in the American Civil war, 1861-1865, was about one million.
oh shut up... the An Lushan rebellion killed 30 millions and that happened in 755 AD, during the times of the Roman Empire. That's without modern weaponry and tactics
@@kaptenhiu5623 I'm not familiar with the An Lushan rebellion and I just did a little research (Google). Wouldn't that have been most of the population of China at the time? That's an amazing number. By 755 AD the Roman Empire in the West was long gone but it's successor in the East, the Byzantine Empire, which lasted in one form or another until 1453 was still in its' infancy with its' greatest years still ahead of it. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Amazing!
@@erikswanson224 Don't worry mate... there're plenty more wars that killed more Chinese than the An Lushan Rebellion The Three Kingdoms period killed 40 millions, The Mongol Invasion killed 40 millions worldwide + 20 millions deaths by plague associated with the Mongol expansion The End of Ming Dynasty and the rise of Qing killed 25 millions The Taiping Rebellion killed 40-50 millions. This conflict was at the same time with the American Civil War The Second Sino-Japanese war killed 20+ millions + 10 millions more in the following Nationalist vs Communist China civil war Only the World War II that finally can rival any Chinese war in casualties numbers. With that figures, it makes you wonder why the Chinese are still around. PS: AFAIK the Byzantines called themselves Romans and their empire, the Roman Empire
Yes and no, the Qing army was only better equipped in the later period of war when the EVA armed with western rifle was formed. (Because British and France support the Taiping force initially)
Bow and arrows are more reliable, more accurate and faster rate of firing compared to early firearms. A skilled musketeer could load and shoot 3 or 4 bullets in one minute. A skilled archer is able to shoot 5 or more arrows for every single bullet. However it takes years of training to become skilled archers. A musketeer only required several weeks of training.
A muskteer did not require several weeks of training cuz several week is not enough. 1. Must train in reloading and shooting fast 2. Fixing bayonets and fighting with it 3. Obeying orders 4. Staying in formation 5. Taking care of their own gear 6. Repeat from step 1 Several weeks they also will have to go through marching, charging, fast marching etc running. Then also being under pressured by the sounds of gunfire and cannon fire/explosions.
@@johndong5958 depends on the bow and the musket. Manchu bows were designed to be fired at close range using heavy arrows to maximize penetration. Mongol bows emphasized range in swarms of light arrows sacrificing superior penetration to prioritize disorganizing their enemy before their lancers charged. A 17th century matchlocks max range is comparable to a bow if not further, however, it’s max effective range is far shorter. And of course it’s punching power is far superior to even the heaviest war bow.
a bloody war, there is hardly much talk about the conflicts in asia, but I think they deserve more publicity, after all, the gunpowder we know comes from that continent. By the way, that battle impresses me, the truth is that I am ignorant of Chinese history, but this is impressive.
Firearms are a Chinese invention, but I doubt that it can be said Chinese "perfected" the weapons or the tactics. At least they took over occidental technology in the the 17th century, which proves that European gun and probably firearm technology had overtaken the Chinese one. It were the political structures and doctrines of the Qing period which prevented such a big an ingenious people to keep pace.
the technology of qing dynasty was even lower than the previous dynasty Ming, because qing was nomads from North, they were good at and proud of riding shot and didn't concern technology that much, totally developed the wrong way
The earliest artillery was invented by the Jin and Song states who fought against the Mongolian army, both in China. After all, gunpowder technology was the first to be used in China. The first pure firearms unit established in the Ming Empire (1407) was a hundred years earlier than the Spanish musketeers. But two hundred years later, the exploration of military technology lagged behind Europe, even though the economy was stronger than foreign countries. Until the Qing Dynasty, the weapon generation gap was completely formed. The 10 million square kilometers of land was almost impossible to resist foreign aggression, and 2 million square kilometers of land was directly lost.
Those were very well equipped Taiping troops if their shooting is any indication. Taiping were usually lucky to have a real hodge-podge of sub-standard or obsolete or worn-out guns sold to them at inflated prices by unscrupulous European and American arms dealers. Bayonets were another rarity for Taiping troops, while even the Qing troops mainly had smoothbore matchlock weapons; only the Ever Victorious Army was consistently armed with muzzle-loading rifle and bayonet and trained in their use.
There were japanese dealers too! The murata type18 were mostly disposed by the military for Chinese warlords and Filipino revolutionaries after the rifle was ousted by the new bolt action Arisaka!
Rule #1 if ur buddy saves u in brutal bloody battle, don’t stop and stare at him afterwards for a 20 seconds waiting to get stabbed from behind. Maybe thank him after the battle?🤷♂️
The Chinese films do such battle scenes so often in their movies nowadays.At first,I become excited and thrilled watching battle scenes, but after they did it again and again in so many movies,such scenes beame an annoyment rather than enjoyment.
Taiping rebellion look like they have westerner influence as show on this video. Rifle and cannons, while Qing only use melee and archery. A quick Google search found this. The brother ofJesus rebellion. The rebellion started by a self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ. The rebellion took 30 million lives. It took China 14 years to suppressed it. Source Heavenly Kingdom rebellion en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
I was asking myself the same question. I would argue its an innaccuracy. From what I understand both sides had limited fire power and were mainly fighting with traditional armaments (bows, swords, etc...). The Qing army had yet to undergo any heavy westernization (happens during the Self-strengthening movement post-Taiping)
Black powder guns and cannons were widely used even before Manchu conquered china by Ming( self made and import from Portugal)Even more westernized firearms were equipped after 1840.
Does anyone else get the impression that, despite how extraordinarily well they might understand and use bladed weapons, no one is this movie really comprehends how firearms work? Using cannon loaded with solid shot for extremely close range anti-cavalry fires, for example. Or expecting smooth-bored muskets to have greater range and effective accuracy than recurve bows? Also, I must note that the film's visuals did NOT give the impression that one side was massively out-numbered by the other - indeed, at first, I thought it was the Taiping side who came up short.
the qing army, was split in two different army, a Han army and a Manchu army, the Manchu government didn't give the Han army high tec weapon like guns and cannon because there scared that the Han army might start a rebellion, hope i can help
@@lolasdm6959Taiping and ISIS are completely different armies! ISIS are just modern terrorist organization while Taiping army are rebels who believes in Christian rebel against the Qing government. So why are you going to think that Taiping and ISIS are the same! You need some research bro! THIS is the 19th century not 21st century you noob! Or you must be joking or something?
Same. I was hoping head flying through. Anyway. Taiping rebellion look like they have westerner influence as show on this video. Rifle and cannons, while Qing only use melee and archery. A quick Google search found this. The brother ofJesus rebellion. The rebellion started by a self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ. The rebellion took 30 million lives. It took China 14 years to suppressed it. Source Heavenly Kingdom rebellion en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
During Manchu occupation of China (Qing Dynasty) Hans ( native Chinese ) are forbidden to forge weapon, or cast any cannon/gun. The fact Taiping Army are very well equipped compared to Qing Army. its because of weapon control. If they build weapon inventory slowly, they would be detected as "rebel/upraising"
@@nicoleelardo7436 yes it was dynasty Han, but Han is also the name? of? Chinese nation. The dynasty before Manchu was named Ming, it was also built by Hans
Not really, the Christian idea is just a tool that Taiping leaderships used to unite the ppl, but actually most of the soldiers was not thinking that deeply, all they wanted is nothing special, just to survive
@@votesus9819Yes. but in Europe around the 17th Century they discovered that musketeers needed pike men amongst them to provide a close quarter defence....and a 7:3 ratio was the best combination with matchlock guns.
@@toraguchitoraguchi9154 there is no such thing as an exact number. Why not 31% and 69%? It depends on the situation, what types of swords, muskets, formations and position during fighting. Chinese strategy was much different from European ones
@@musicaleuphoria8699 That's why depression is a very dangerous problem. One depressed boi and tens of millions of Chinese died in vain while indirectly tarnished China's reputation and destiny
Kurosawa is a great director, but the efficiency of firearms (taken over by the Japanese from the the Portuguese) is displayed in a let's say optimistic way, regarding fire frequency, range and accuracy. Two shots in a minute were the maximum, the impact of musket shot . The scatter of the shots was high and the probability of hitting a single enemy rapidly fell on longer distance than about 50 m, and the impact of a shot was potentially deadly only up to 200 m, at least against armoured men.
You're thinking of early matchlock muskets, these are more modern fusils. Of course, still VERY outdated compared to what other nations had at the time, like the Europeans and japanese, but still really useful for the then war situation. Besides, two shots a minute is terrible, there are accounts of well trained soldiers during the Napoleonic era getting three and even four shots a minute, combined with revolving fire, it was devastating. For two shots a minute you'd be dealing with a rifled musket for marksmen, who DO prioritize good accuracy and range over speed.
When you attend public school in the United States, you learn all about the American Civil War. Students come away not knowing (or caring) that there were other massively important events happening in the world during that time, France invaded Mexico and the United States could not do anything about it (see the Clint Eastwood movie, Two Mules for Sister Sarah), there was a civil war in China that made the American Civil War look like a dust up between children, and in and around it all, the Opium Wars, the result of which is affecting us now. Japan's militarization and hostility were in large part a result of what they saw the West was doing to China during the Opium Wars period, and that militarization led to WWII. The history of the United States, contrary to what was taught in my youth, is not entirely congruent with the history of the world and I am still not certain that most people have understood that. The Opium Wars are also part of the reason why China is hostile to the West now; they have not forgotten their Century of Humiliation.
Wrong. China is only hostile to the west now because of current western hostilities and provocations. China is trying to prevent repeating another century of humiliation.
The father of all revolutions, the father of all wars, the anti-feudal liberation, the farmer's war, THE TAIPING REVOLUTION. China was not made in a day. Love to China from Nepal.
Taiping wasn't anti feudal, Neither was it a revolution, it was a secessionist movement attempting at creating a Chinese Christian Kingdom, Absolute monarchy. As Christianity had became extremely popular in China, aswell as many han saw it as a way to rid themselves of the foreign invaders, the Qing(Manchurians) So stop regurgitating judas/masonic revisionism
There’s no need to be accurate, the main function is to create an arrow carpet to cover the infantry and suppress their opponent’s musketeers in order to get closer to the enemy
I would not really deny your interpretation, but rather generalize it. For Kurosawa, the triumph of the new ways neither is something to celebrate, nor is his fascination of the old ways nostalgic, but I'm inclined to say that the clash of the old and new ways reveals in a way the futility of human efforts. It all reminds me of a famous haiku, in which the grass on a former battlefield is all what remains of the warriors' dreams.
:) I agree. Chinese have the right touch for mass choreography, but the imagination of Chinese directors in close combat scenes is only impressing when it comes to Kong Fu fighting.
Fight for life, fight for brothers. Until the second world war, most people in China had no sense of state, so the death rate of generals was very high, because they had to rush ahead. Soldiers would not fight for their country, but they would definitely fight for their brothers.
Yeah, Kurosawa really did want to show the futility of war... especially in Ran. Conflicts in many of his works are often caused by trivial (In teh context) things and result is great tragedy.
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Not real my friend first gun where not widely used by the Chinese around the qing time and cannons no way but fire a bow and charging even a short bow take alot of training and the Chinese where never famous for will train solder even
@@andrewhowell1344 Chinese soildier are less and are tasked for convoy and defending fortress. The main army composed of recruited citizens, thats why they are untrained.
@JacobTheIndoAmerican Please explain how an ethnic group can suddenly become another through a different government/ruler. I would really like to know.
I am Manchurian, and we are certainly not foreigners. Our relationship with the Han people is intricate. To put it simply, our two ethnic groups share a common ancestor. With that, you probably have a clearer understanding now.
@王安澜-m1u Arab and Jewish are semitic ethnic , ( their ancestor are Abraham) but they have some problems, Britain and Germany are the same they are German ethnic, but they fought WW1 and WW2, Manchurian people had independence or autonomy from china at history until Mao. Considering your logic all of east russia , Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan,.... Must be of china realm, albeit this is so good for the hegemony of china government
True, I beleive we was trying to show the power of the new ways over the old (note that in 'Seven Samurai' the four Samurai who are killed die by firearm.)
The tai ping rebbellions intention wasnt to christianize China, it was mainly calling for reforms. If you knew your history, many were attracted to this rebbellion becuase the reforms were like, equality of lands to everyone, equality to women. and many other forms like that. Many rebellions happend in China such as the Boxer rebellion bc of the terrible rul Empress Dowager Ci Xi was a greedy old bag who always denied the needed modernization and changes.
@wingolf22 nope, volley fire, artillery, rocket barrages and even use of coloured rockets as signal flares were all made in china by the 14th century and probably earlier. however, the manchus who invaded in the 17th century being nomadic raiders, found the use of firearms both alien and abhorrent, thus their usage declined amongst imperial troops who reverted to bows and arrows. taiping rebels didnt have this problem and wouldve won had the empress not brought in european troops to crush it.
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The Qing were the ruling Manchu dynasty that controlled China from Beijing, but in 1850 Hong Xiuquan, the Taiping leader proclaimed himself the brother of Jesus and established a Christian communal like state in Nanjing and controlled large parts of Southern China. It took the western backed Qing government 14 years to defeat the Taipings at the cost of 20 million lives. In this scene the guys with the long hair are the Taipings
If you know the period of this history, “Taiping” is nothing with Christian totally. It is just a dickhead build some dickhead evil organization
It took 14 years not because the western world backed the Qing but due to the inconpetancy of the Qing government to realize that the world is changing.
Like in the movie, you can see just how technologically inferior the Qings were compared to the Taiping rebels. One side had cannons and matchlocks while one side were still charging in with sabers and shields like it's god damn 1300s. The Qings was fighting the battle that way for ages and I have to admit that bows and arrows do have a faster firing rate but a row of musket can drop more men in a line (As seen in the Napoleonic Wars) vs a column of archers at a longer range and this made the Taiping rebels tactically superior for a decade as they had more blackpowder weapons against the ancient Qings. It was only after losing all of the regions in Nanjing and Jiangdong sans-Shanghai then did the Qing realized how backwards they are and quickly pleaded with the foreign powers to send aid and military expertise to help them. By 1858, the Qing army had close to no muskets but when 1860 rolled in, 2 of the 8 Banner Army were armed with muskets and with the newly formed foreign-led Qing legions like the Ever Victorious Army (常勝軍) then did the Qing beat back the Taiping rebels.
The total number of deaths was 200 million, directly dying from the 40 million war.
No wonder the Taiping fighting with muskets(obsolete kind but still...)I wonder what the result might be if they just fought with (up to that date) European tactic and weaponries.
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Its not well documented but the Taiping Rebellion was possibly the bloodiest civil war in history with only the An Lushan Rebellion and Russian Civil War coming close to overall deaths (though in proportion to population the American Civil War was devastating)
With an estimated 25 million deaths this was a terrible terrible war- a toll equivalent to the whole of WW1.
An lushan rebellion is the bloodiest rebellion if we use ratio.
China had 60 million in an lushan time, 20 million died, 1/3rd
China had 300 million in Taiping, 30 million died.
1/10 of population
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@@romanianturk2101 and don't forget with 20.000 - 30.000 civilians being eaten.
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I gotta say this is one of the most epic battle scenes in history. The vastness of the battle and the large variety of troops wield anything from a spear to a matchlock musket to a heavy sword. I really feel like I'm in the middle of the battle fighting for my life.
太平天国自从打到江南进行江南攻防战以后就比较少野战和白刃战了，与大多数人想象的不一样，大多数是挖掘壕沟和建筑各种垒墙，然后用各种土洋枪炮对射，太平军最基础的“两”（相当于现代军队的棑级单位，25人），就至少装备7杆鸟枪和两门抬枪（大号霰弹枪）人人都要携带弹药，总之这是一场被低估的战争。
Người Hán đông như vậy sao lại phải làm nô lệ cho bọn mãn thanh hói đầu
打從明朝開始 中國軍隊就越來越倚賴槍砲了，雖然妥善率還是…
鸟枪是火枪（musket）吗？太平军应该也有类似洋枪队那样的部队吧
@@HJ1985 李秀成的衛隊裏至少有一萬隻洋槍。
築壘的是曾國藩部湘軍，清軍中初期打不贏太平軍就築壘。
This is one of the best Qing era battle scene in movie history.
Civil Chinese war : Taiping Rebellion rise up against Qing dynasty , 50 ~ 60 millions people died. Terrible war
Bui Charlie i mean like i was suprised but, oh wait its china
@@huongngo7677 Sengge Rinchen
More than that, we lost a little more than 100 million people. The population of China did not recover to the sun before the civil war until 1920s
And all started with someone claming to be Jesus's brother
@@Teaspoon9205 all started with angry population and Europeans ready to supply local christians with firearms
At the same time America was having it's own Civil War but with more guns. But this war was more bloodier
Civil war of American dead more than 600 thousands，taiping heaven war dead more than 100 millions
@@metal_fusion 10? Jet li alone killed 100
Yeah, Mr President.
All because some Chinese guy went insane and thought he was related to Jesus Christ.
Tapping is just using Christ to achieve its politics goals，In fact, in their ruling areas, they were even more corrupt and authoritarian than the Qing government
他自称耶稣的弟弟，上帝的儿子
Taiping leader converted to Christianity and rebelled.
You really think millions would follow him just because of that?
@@Poznan__ looks like it
The history records that Qing dynasty has gotten corrupt, and grew excessively cruel against its subjects (non-Manchus) in the turn of the 19th century. Western nations sold opium for silver, which was the foundation for Qing dynasty's currency.
BTW, flintlock firearms have long re-loading time and difficult to make. And unlike composite bows, it cannot be used during wet weather. It wasn't until the introduction of cartridge breech-loading rifle that stopped Qing from using composite bow.
Yes, the Chinese Qing dynasty also had a huge problem sourcing silver to make their currency. They would import massive amounts of silver into China from Europe. This gave western nations a huge bargaining chip that led to the opium wars.
The Qing under Xuanye was not cruel at all, same for Shunzhi, and Yongzheng
@@maximilianmus644 qing is dog
I think any dynasty past it’s zenith could be labeled cruel. It wasn’t an imperial policy to be cruel but rather the bloated bureaucracy allowed for corruption to spread with little to no response from the long sinicized “Manchu,” elite.
Most dynasties get labeled cruel by their successors. The Qing called the Ming cruel, the Ming the yuan, so on and so forth. Even republican China would disavow the Qing just as the PRC would to the ROC.
Pick your flavor of propaganda but it’s all the same political maneuvering at the end of the day.
@@maximilianmus644 Thus their downfall isnt it?
When things are fine, the separated manchu-han is okay.
When things arent fine....the separation of rich minority vs poor majority would lead to conflicts...and greater and greater conflicts.
The so called Taiping Rebellion was the bloodiest civil war ever fought. It lasted from 1851-1863 with a death toll of over 20 million. The world would not see these kinds of losses in battle again until WWII. It even surpassed the number of deaths in battle of WWI. By comparison, total losses in the American Civil war, 1861-1865, was about one million.
oh shut up... the An Lushan rebellion killed 30 millions and that happened in 755 AD, during the times of the Roman Empire. That's without modern weaponry and tactics
@@kaptenhiu5623 I'm not familiar with the An Lushan rebellion and I just did a little research (Google). Wouldn't that have been most of the population of China at the time? That's an amazing number. By 755 AD the Roman Empire in the West was long gone but it's successor in the East, the Byzantine Empire, which lasted in one form or another until 1453 was still in its' infancy with its' greatest years still ahead of it. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Amazing!
@@erikswanson224
Don't worry mate... there're plenty more wars that killed more Chinese than the An Lushan Rebellion
The Three Kingdoms period killed 40 millions,
The Mongol Invasion killed 40 millions worldwide + 20 millions deaths by plague associated with the Mongol expansion
The End of Ming Dynasty and the rise of Qing killed 25 millions
The Taiping Rebellion killed 40-50 millions. This conflict was at the same time with the American Civil War
The Second Sino-Japanese war killed 20+ millions + 10 millions more in the following Nationalist vs Communist China civil war
Only the World War II that finally can rival any Chinese war in casualties numbers.
With that figures, it makes you wonder why the Chinese are still around.
PS: AFAIK the Byzantines called themselves Romans and their empire, the Roman Empire
@@kaptenhiu5623 Dude, the Chinese breed fast but not that fast
lol the rebellion hapoened bcus some dude somehow convinced alot of ppl that hes the brother of jesus christ
Yes and no, the Qing army was only better equipped in the later period of war when the EVA armed with western rifle was formed. (Because British and France support the Taiping force initially)
wowu5 even so the taiping still gave the Qing a very bloody nose
This was eventually not evidently popular when the Heaven on Earth is actually resembling more of a hellish war torn landscape in Chinese land wars
Bow and arrows are more reliable, more accurate and faster rate of firing compared to early firearms. A skilled musketeer could load and shoot 3 or 4 bullets in one minute. A skilled archer is able to shoot 5 or more arrows for every single bullet. However it takes years of training to become skilled archers. A musketeer only required several weeks of training.
And plus bullets can travel further
Firearms can create mental shock to infantry charge
@@kakashi101able not true until very late era
A muskteer did not require several weeks of training cuz several week is not enough.
1. Must train in reloading and shooting fast
2. Fixing bayonets and fighting with it
3. Obeying orders
4. Staying in formation
5. Taking care of their own gear
6. Repeat from step 1
Several weeks they also will have to go through marching, charging, fast marching etc running. Then also being under pressured by the sounds of gunfire and cannon fire/explosions.
@@johndong5958 depends on the bow and the musket. Manchu bows were designed to be fired at close range using heavy arrows to maximize penetration. Mongol bows emphasized range in swarms of light arrows sacrificing superior penetration to prioritize disorganizing their enemy before their lancers charged.
A 17th century matchlocks max range is comparable to a bow if not further, however, it’s max effective range is far shorter. And of course it’s punching power is far superior to even the heaviest war bow.
Fun fact: the Taiping army had not a modern army but intelligent and qing dynasty had a shotguns,but not intelligent army
Eh
The Qing had a whole whopping shotgun?!
@@Jake-dh9qk and machine guns too
@@Jake-dh9qk It's late 19 century
@@Jake-dh9qk white people sold a lot of weapons to the manchu fuckers
投名狀也算華語戰爭篇經典了，很難再超越
大决战三部曲
Finally a Chinese movie without flying. Thank you
Jet li was flying in the many movies like once a pon a time in China and tai chi Master.
Lol..have you seen those Indian movies I bet they make you question Isaac Newton law of physics
What about the 'Fantastic Four' ?
What about the 'Superman' ?
and spiderman ~
a bloody war, there is hardly much talk about the conflicts in asia, but I think they deserve more publicity, after all, the gunpowder we know comes from that continent.
By the way, that battle impresses me, the truth is that I am ignorant of Chinese history, but this is impressive.
They definitely deserves more spotlight. The Asians been at conflicts far longer than even the Romans or any other caucasians
For those who want to know the name of the movie its called The Warlords
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No one's talking about the camera man that survived the war
It's a movie 😂
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lol
Firearms are a Chinese invention, but I doubt that it can be said Chinese "perfected" the weapons or the tactics. At least they took over occidental technology in the the 17th century, which proves that European gun and probably firearm technology had overtaken the Chinese one. It were the political structures and doctrines of the Qing period which prevented such a big an ingenious people to keep pace.
They didnt improve gun . the western technology go further than chinese even they invented gun and gun powder first
the technology of qing dynasty was even lower than the previous dynasty Ming, because qing was nomads from North, they were good at and proud of riding shot and didn't concern technology that much, totally developed the wrong way
No not really.
The earliest artillery was invented by the Jin and Song states who fought against the Mongolian army, both in China. After all, gunpowder technology was the first to be used in China.
The first pure firearms unit established in the Ming Empire (1407) was a hundred years earlier than the Spanish musketeers. But two hundred years later, the exploration of military technology lagged behind Europe, even though the economy was stronger than foreign countries. Until the Qing Dynasty, the weapon generation gap was completely formed. The 10 million square kilometers of land was almost impossible to resist foreign aggression, and 2 million square kilometers of land was directly lost.
@@陈陳-t5c must be hurt when someone use the thing you make to fight you and they even use it better.
3:24 when you pick up a dropped AWP dragon lore
Lol
LOL INDEED 😂
Those were very well equipped Taiping troops if their shooting is any indication. Taiping were usually lucky to have a real hodge-podge of sub-standard or obsolete or worn-out guns sold to them at inflated prices by unscrupulous European and American arms dealers. Bayonets were another rarity for Taiping troops, while even the Qing troops mainly had smoothbore matchlock weapons; only the Ever Victorious Army was consistently armed with muzzle-loading rifle and bayonet and trained in their use.
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Cause they are not Taiping troops but Ming Dynasty troops fighting the Qing army
There were japanese dealers too! The murata type18 were mostly disposed by the military for Chinese warlords and Filipino revolutionaries after the rifle was ousted by the new bolt action Arisaka!
@@richmondlandersenfells2238 Japan rarely gave away weapons. then and now.
@@patriotenfield3276 good for them!
7:36 Music be like *"You are without a doubt the worst Qing soldier I've ever fought."*
*"Oh but you've heard of me?"*
I really love this movie . The ending just so sad . Jet li is an awesome chinese guy
What the name of this movie?
@@erminagrofarm4369 投名状
@@patpat-of7jxin english pls
@@Rich999_9 The Warlords
Rule #1 if ur buddy saves u in brutal bloody battle, don’t stop and stare at him afterwards for a 20 seconds waiting to get stabbed from behind. Maybe thank him after the battle?🤷♂️
WHAT? That's illegal!
The Chinese films do such battle scenes so often in their movies nowadays.At first,I become excited and thrilled watching battle scenes, but after they did it again and again in so many movies,such scenes beame an annoyment rather than enjoyment.
Taiping rebellion look like they have westerner influence as show on this video. Rifle and cannons, while Qing only use melee and archery.
A quick Google search found this.
The brother ofJesus rebellion.
The rebellion started by a self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ. The rebellion took 30 million lives. It took China 14 years to suppressed it.
Source
Heavenly Kingdom rebellion
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
Same like western movie...Spiderman,Batman,Superman,Ironman.....then villain....
The harm and abuse of the hard working horses was appalling! Senseless horror to innocent animals! Thank You! Lois
This is the true documented video about 200 years ago, perfect
China, how much you have civil wars?
China: Yes.
History China is massive battle, super manpowers, batlle royale and wars...
I was asking myself the same question. I would argue its an innaccuracy. From what I understand both sides had limited fire power and were mainly fighting with traditional armaments (bows, swords, etc...). The Qing army had yet to undergo any heavy westernization (happens during the Self-strengthening movement post-Taiping)
Black powder guns and cannons were widely used even before Manchu conquered china by Ming( self made and import from Portugal)Even more westernized firearms were equipped after 1840.
实际上火药和火枪是中国人发明的😄装备率并不低，可能长时间没有战争有些不可靠
@@qingyoung9057 中国人口众多，没有技术，是一个低级国家，足以被日本殖民，日本只占其人口的10%。
@@COVID-china 韩国在早就被日本殖民了，中国可没有。到二战结束日本也没有打败中国
@@COVID-china 你的中文翻译的不准确
More people died here than the whole Chinese and Japanese casualties in ww2
Mao Zedong: "Am I a Joker to you."
@@richmondlandersenfells2238 Me: Yes,you are a joker to me
@@Wolfram_von_Richthofen 😁
It's normal at chinese history to get massive cassualities.
@@kuzakani4297 Chinese civil wars be like
“80 million dead”
Cause of war : “some random Farm”
Does anyone else get the impression that, despite how extraordinarily well they might understand and use bladed weapons, no one is this movie really comprehends how firearms work? Using cannon loaded with solid shot for extremely close range anti-cavalry fires, for example. Or expecting smooth-bored muskets to have greater range and effective accuracy than recurve bows? Also, I must note that the film's visuals did NOT give the impression that one side was massively out-numbered by the other - indeed, at first, I thought it was the Taiping side who came up short.
Manchu bows are known to use heavy arrows at close range for penetration
What you need to know is that the Taiping Army was originally a peasant who resisted tyranny...
Muskets do have greater range and accuracy than recurve bow
@@dolsopolar Besides, it is centuries after a classical musket. Even outdated weapons of this time would be more alongside napoleonic era firearms.
@@AlcaturMaethor yes
中國最好的戰爭武打劇情片, 演員素質, 衣裝, 跟劇情都無可挑剔
MATT K 同意。而且反应的是太平天国。这里演出比较出色的是刘德华。虽然故事是编的，但真实历史中马新贻的悲剧也刻画出了官场的黑暗。
说到剧情，为什么不用炮兵打步兵，火枪兵两侧配置步兵？骑兵都肉搏了还开炮就是扯蛋，不怕炸着自家骑兵啊？
darkgreen7610
要不然主角怎么赢啊......后面怎么拍啊......
农民军 比满清装备还好？？？
darkgreen7610
說得對 ! 此處明顯不合理!!
Manchu were known for archery, so they limited gunpowder use
That's also why they got steam rolled by the British in both opium wars😅
No, these were han troops, the manchu banners were useless by this time
the qing army, was split in two different army, a Han army and a Manchu army, the Manchu government didn't give the Han army high tec weapon like guns and cannon because there scared that the Han army might start a rebellion, hope i can help
ur right
Taiping army are Han's heroes, though they finally failed
@@franklyu5972中国人并不把太平军当作英雄，他们只是一群土匪，这场战争害死了上千万平民，他们信奉的也不是真正的基督教，而是一种邪教
@@franklyu5972 Taiping are basically ISIS, but Christain
@@lolasdm6959Taiping and ISIS are completely different armies! ISIS are just modern terrorist organization while Taiping army are rebels who believes in Christian rebel against the Qing government. So why are you going to think that Taiping and ISIS are the same!
You need some research bro!
THIS is the 19th century not 21st century you noob!
Or you must be joking or something?
Love the old guy on the cavalry charge wielding the Chinese war sword
Same. I was hoping head flying through. Anyway.
Taiping rebellion look like they have westerner influence as show on this video. Rifle and cannons, while Qing only use melee and archery.
A quick Google search found this.
The brother ofJesus rebellion.
The rebellion started by a self-proclaimed brother of Jesus Christ. The rebellion took 30 million lives. It took China 14 years to suppressed it.
Source
Heavenly Kingdom rebellion
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
@@condorX2 thats crazy man
Old guy? there is no old guy here, most of them are probably between the age of 20 to 40
@@saberduma3848 back on the day thats pretty old
During Manchu occupation of China (Qing Dynasty)
Hans ( native Chinese ) are forbidden to forge weapon, or cast any cannon/gun.
The fact Taiping Army are very well equipped compared to Qing Army. its because of weapon control. If they build weapon inventory slowly, they would be detected as "rebel/upraising"
The Manchu worried about the Hans uprising since they are like 95% of the total populations
I think han dynasty was defeated or destroy in the year of 208ad
@@nicoleelardo7436 yes it was dynasty Han, but Han is also the name? of? Chinese nation. The dynasty before Manchu was named Ming, it was also built by Hans
@@xiaochuansun8606 isnt ming dynasty descendant of korean?
@@ldioticnuzhen99 no, on the contrary, Korea was one of the vassals of China (Empire Ming)
Man those guys seem really well trained for just a bunch of poor angry farmers who believe their leader is Jesus's little brother.
Lmao at least it looks cool. And as probably the only somewhat mainstream film on the taiping rebellion i think it did a good job 👍
It is a pity that after the Taiping army conquered Nanjing, it was quickly corrupted and eventually destroyed by the Qing court.
Not really, the Christian idea is just a tool that Taiping leaderships used to unite the ppl, but actually most of the soldiers was not thinking that deeply, all they wanted is nothing special, just to survive
For a lot who fought that was just a pretense. Winning came with a lot of other things
Rookie Mistake. Brought guns to a sword fight.
Shut up I find it interesting of an war that uses both swords spears with rifles
@@jian5568 he didnt talked to you, why so mad?
Those cavalry on Qing side during Taiping rebellion, were mostly Mongols.
Movie name plz
Muskets 70% and Pikes 30% is the correct combination to avoid this scenario.
Only will of scenarist matters.
Pike & Shoot formation
This was china blud
@@votesus9819Yes. but in Europe around the 17th Century they discovered that musketeers needed pike men amongst them to provide a close quarter defence....and a 7:3 ratio was the best combination with matchlock guns.
@@toraguchitoraguchi9154 there is no such thing as an exact number. Why not 31% and 69%? It depends on the situation, what types of swords, muskets, formations and position during fighting. Chinese strategy was much different from European ones
its funny that this all started because of some crazed guy thinking he's Jesus' homie
Don't forget, he got that idea after failing an entree exam to civil service then went into a comatose state.
@@musicaleuphoria8699 That's why depression is a very dangerous problem. One depressed boi and tens of millions of Chinese died in vain while indirectly tarnished China's reputation and destiny
@@theasianboy315 Mao Zedong was proud.
very nice war scene best one i see for a long time
Kurosawa is a great director, but the efficiency of firearms (taken over by the Japanese from the the Portuguese) is displayed in a let's say optimistic way, regarding fire frequency, range and accuracy. Two shots in a minute were the maximum, the impact of musket shot . The scatter of the shots was high and the probability of hitting a single enemy rapidly fell on longer distance than about 50 m, and the impact of a shot was potentially deadly only up to 200 m, at least against armoured men.
黑泽明是日本的，这是中国片
You're thinking of early matchlock muskets, these are more modern fusils.
Of course, still VERY outdated compared to what other nations had at the time, like the Europeans and japanese, but still really useful for the then war situation.
Besides, two shots a minute is terrible, there are accounts of well trained soldiers during the Napoleonic era getting three and even four shots a minute, combined with revolving fire, it was devastating.
For two shots a minute you'd be dealing with a rifled musket for marksmen, who DO prioritize good accuracy and range over speed.
why Kurosawa? He has nothing to do with this movie.
this is a China film not Japan
huh?
The general must’ve hated those riflemen. He left them unguarded lol.
When you attend public school in the United States, you learn all about the American Civil War. Students come away not knowing (or caring) that there were other massively important events happening in the world during that time, France invaded Mexico and the United States could not do anything about it (see the Clint Eastwood movie, Two Mules for Sister Sarah), there was a civil war in China that made the American Civil War look like a dust up between children, and in and around it all, the Opium Wars, the result of which is affecting us now. Japan's militarization and hostility were in large part a result of what they saw the West was doing to China during the Opium Wars period, and that militarization led to WWII. The history of the United States, contrary to what was taught in my youth, is not entirely congruent with the history of the world and I am still not certain that most people have understood that. The Opium Wars are also part of the reason why China is hostile to the West now; they have not forgotten their Century of Humiliation.
Americans think their country is the most important
Their not even 300 years old yet
Wrong. China is only hostile to the west now because of current western hostilities and provocations. China is trying to prevent repeating another century of humiliation.
What evidence do have China is hostile to the west.
@Mengfu
Yes, WW2 was larger but I was talking specifically about civil wars, not all conflicts.
What movie
The father of all revolutions, the father of all wars, the anti-feudal liberation, the farmer's war, THE TAIPING REVOLUTION.
China was not made in a day.
Love to China from Nepal.
Taiping wasn't anti feudal, Neither was it a revolution, it was a secessionist movement attempting at creating a Chinese Christian Kingdom, Absolute monarchy.
As Christianity had became extremely popular in China, aswell as many han saw it as a way to rid themselves of the foreign invaders, the Qing(Manchurians)
So stop regurgitating judas/masonic revisionism
I m flattered. But even if I m a Han, I don't like Taipings' idealism. They are fools.
Which movie is this ?
6:56 damn. 🤯
I mean, who wouldn't take a cannon ball for Jet Li.
C'moon! What is the movie name??????????????????
第二次鴉片戰爭中著名的八里橋之戰，僧格林沁的三萬驍勇的蒙古騎兵就是這樣被英法聯軍的排槍隊打得全軍覆沒，很慘烈。
惨烈是个褒义词吧？不配用在满清身上，欧洲先进文明是来解放中国的
@user-uo5cm6nh1f解放你麻痹，反清可以，别踏马舔洋人，洋人是来殖民我们的😅解放我们的是中国人自己
炮的作用更大
正確，炮的作用更大，機槍得到馬克沁的誕生。。。
@@東皇太一-q3e 最早是加特林机枪
were the Manchu bannerman actually able to fire arrows semi-accurately in full sprint?
There’s no need to be accurate, the main function is to create an arrow carpet to cover the infantry and suppress their opponent’s musketeers in order to get closer to the enemy
清弓的设计就是短距离，大威力，速射弓…被1.5m的箭矢射中后可以把人像钉子一样钉在地上。
阔叶林中面对突然冲出来的野兽需要这样弓箭🏹
清弓的设计就是短距离，大威力，速射弓…被1.5m的箭矢射中后可以把人像钉子一样钉在地上。
阔叶林中面对突然冲出来的野兽需要这样弓箭🏹
这是一部非常有诚意的作品，单就这一场近代中国战场的还原，已经让人看得血脉贲张了，不过还是有个别地方剪辑得不太好，有摆拍的痕迹。
这不是历史。火铳没有弓箭射的远这是常识。
拍的不错，就是李连杰主角光环太厉害了
李連杰哪裡是李鴻章
陳公才是影射李鴻章
狄公-曾國藩
姜公-左宗棠
hey what movie was this
The warlords 2007(投名状), starred by Jet Li.
I would not really deny your interpretation, but rather generalize it. For Kurosawa, the triumph of the new ways neither is something to celebrate, nor is his fascination of the old ways nostalgic, but I'm inclined to say that the clash of the old and new ways reveals in a way the futility of human efforts. It all reminds me of a famous haiku, in which the grass on a former battlefield is all what remains of the warriors' dreams.
Kurosawa did not direct this movie.
@@SidinPhilly hiraizumi
Как фильм называется? Есть с переводом?
This definitely not a Disney movie even if Mulan shows up.
The masculine urge to proclaim yourself youngest son of god and rise up against the manchu demons.
李连杰这部戏的台词功底真的好
Cool video, thanks for uploading. Which battle is this?
Need to watch this movie...
Thanks for the upload.
:) I agree. Chinese have the right touch for mass choreography, but the imagination of Chinese directors in close combat scenes is only impressing when it comes to Kong Fu fighting.
This made American and Russian Civil War a baby conflict
由于当时中国人口已经到达四亿，双方军队大部分士兵的目的就是有口饭吃
I remeber watching this movie with my late father. Really miss him
What movie is this? Thanks
Fajny film. Nie wiesz kto z kim i za co się biją. Za to jak na wiejskim weselu „charatacka po byku”!
Fight for life, fight for brothers. Until the second world war, most people in China had no sense of state, so the death rate of generals was very high, because they had to rush ahead. Soldiers would not fight for their country, but they would definitely fight for their brothers.
Yeah, Kurosawa really did want to show the futility of war... especially in Ran. Conflicts in many of his works are often caused by trivial (In teh context) things and result is great tragedy.
The movie’s director come form hongkong of china
The legend was already dead when this crap was made
this movie has nothing to do with Kurosawa
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Qual o nome do filme alge. Sabe
Charging without an order and from a great distance.
LOL
ايبا هذا فلم ٢٠٠٩وهسه احنه ٢٠١٩ .. هذا كلو من عمرنه ..ربا سمحنا ان اخطئنا في هذا فتره ١٠ سنين
this movie is so realistic i loved it its a nice piece of art.
Not real my friend first gun where not widely used by the Chinese around the qing time and cannons no way but fire a bow and charging even a short bow take alot of training and the Chinese where never famous for will train solder even
@@andrewhowell1344 lol typical Western arrogant
@@Nguyen2-t9p will explain then why I'm wrong
@@andrewhowell1344 Chinese soildier are less and are tasked for convoy and defending fortress. The main army composed of recruited citizens, thats why they are untrained.
@@yoloi2470 I no that already
Where did they get all those cannons and guns from and what year is this?
李连杰动作干净利索 招招致命 帅
Щзхбььтошщзхююттмсааен
That one guy with a glaive one shoting everyone be like: “your game mode has been updated to creative”
Arrows - - higher rate of fire than guns at that time, but the Qing should modernize their army
Can you get an english sub for this movie? What movie is this?
china the last king ，and the pipor
这个电视剧什么名字？
The pinnacle of enthusiasm and courage is awesome but it is not suitable for children and weak hearts forward and excellent work
which soldiers are the taiping?
The ones with muskets
@JacobTheIndoAmerican
Please explain how an ethnic group can suddenly become another through a different government/ruler. I would really like to know.
This is great movie I have seen about eastern war 👏👏👏
What name this movie?
Taiping rebellion was a Chinese people action against foreign Manchurian dynasty, but Chinese people , showed wildness against thierself
I am Manchurian, and we are certainly not foreigners. Our relationship with the Han people is intricate. To put it simply, our two ethnic groups share a common ancestor. With that, you probably have a clearer understanding now.
@王安澜-m1u Arab and Jewish are semitic ethnic , ( their ancestor are Abraham) but they have some problems, Britain and Germany are the same they are German ethnic, but they fought WW1 and WW2, Manchurian people had independence or autonomy from china at history until Mao. Considering your logic all of east russia , Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan,.... Must be of china realm, albeit this is so good for the hegemony of china government
Dear people! I found the movie!!!! It's name is Warlords (2007) with Jet Li!
True, I beleive we was trying to show the power of the new ways over the old (note that in 'Seven Samurai' the four Samurai who are killed die by firearm.)
以前看就一直有疑問了
為什麼砲不是兩軍交戰之前打的，而是兩軍混戰時打，不怕傷到自己人嗎？
請知情的大大解惑，感恩
陳立軒 艺术化的需要
太平军也不怎么会打仗，比清军好点
Name film? Ad
投名状， eng is brotherhood I think
LIKE A BATTLE OF TUMU .500,000 MIN DYNASTY VS 20.000 OIRATS WE ARE WARRIORS
what is the movie's name?
+Johnny Duke en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Warlords
The tai ping rebbellions intention wasnt to christianize China, it was mainly calling for reforms. If you knew your history, many were attracted to this rebbellion becuase the reforms were like, equality of lands to everyone, equality to women. and many other forms like that. Many rebellions happend in China such as the Boxer rebellion bc of the terrible rul Empress Dowager Ci Xi was a greedy old bag who always denied the needed modernization and changes.
Name of movie
5000 soldiers armed with both muskets and cannons and still failing to beat 800 poorly equipped troops is a bit of a weird movie.
What do you mean?
Right =)))
If I am not mistaken 800 wasnt includes the backup army which joined later. Also jet li alone killed hundreds
李连杰这边是清军？
湘淮軍
湘淮軍
Chinese history simply goated
Any tell the movie name pls
Dhanabal M warlords 2007
How many camera man dead for this scene?
"Yes"
@wingolf22 nope, volley fire, artillery, rocket barrages and even use of coloured rockets as signal flares were all made in china by the 14th century and probably earlier.
however, the manchus who invaded in the 17th century being nomadic raiders, found the use of firearms both alien and abhorrent, thus their usage declined amongst imperial troops who reverted to bows and arrows. taiping rebels didnt have this problem and wouldve won had the empress not brought in european troops to crush it.