The Real Reason China’s Economy Is In Crisis

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024

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  • @xchazz86
    @xchazz86 8 месяцев назад +602

    Who would’ve known leveraging excessive debt to fund unsustainable unproductive asset bubbles would lead to total economic collapse.
    Australia is headed down the same path with our ponzi housing market.
    Every lazy government in almost every country keeps making the same mistakes for short term personal gain.

    • @regwatson2017
      @regwatson2017 8 месяцев назад +43

      I've been hearing about Australia's housing market headed for collapse for about thirty years. Glad I didn't listen to people spouting this nonsense.

    • @youarebeingtrolled6954
      @youarebeingtrolled6954 8 месяцев назад +21

      @@regwatson2017ditto for china 😂

    • @Ziggyoz
      @Ziggyoz 8 месяцев назад

      Ummm.... Do you realize that China can end the U.S economy if they decide to cash their USD bonds?

    • @RonLo
      @RonLo 8 месяцев назад +14

      US had its own housing crisis so why didn't China learn?

    • @tim211292
      @tim211292 8 месяцев назад +56

      Australias prices are caused by lack of supply compared to demand, whereas china has so much supply the market is crashing as there is no demand, it was done to keep people in work. conflating the 2 is ridiculous.

  • @jayross3800
    @jayross3800 8 месяцев назад +569

    There’s no way people are just realizing that China is going through their own 2008 collapse crazy

    • @channelsofash
      @channelsofash 8 месяцев назад +45

      In fairness the world had a lot on it's plate digging out of supply chain issues from the pandemic and inflation being an issue that was hard to ignore. But you know it's bad when propaganda can no longer paper over the problems.

    • @j.obrien4990
      @j.obrien4990 8 месяцев назад +32

      Its more comparible to the Japanese collapse in the 1990s except Japan was already wealthy when its collapse happened.

    • @henli-rw5dw
      @henli-rw5dw 8 месяцев назад

      It's different from Japan. Japan had to raise value of yen due to plaza accord. China is dropping the value of the yuan and flooding the world with cheap goods. It's basically trade war.

    • @pennycandyys
      @pennycandyys 8 месяцев назад

      Unless xi and the ccp manage to pull a rabbit out of a hat, China is going down period.

    • @michaelgothenburg364
      @michaelgothenburg364 8 месяцев назад

      @Jayross3800 - I do think that many people are just realising that China's economy is in a really bad shape. I have expected problems to surface for over 10 years now. That said, I don't think China is close to collapse at all, far from it. A dictatorship has so many ways to manage the situation that democracies simply don't have or would not even have considered using anyway because of the free press. China is very imbalanced but there is much left to develop (where returns are lower). they'll continue at a true 2-4 percent for many more years until the demographic situation forces them into recession. What the officially made up growth figures will be is anyones guess and irrelevant really.

  • @JyChew
    @JyChew 8 месяцев назад +22

    China is Collapsing Vol. 2024

    • @marvinbrando722
      @marvinbrando722 8 месяцев назад +2

      😁😁😁😁😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😃😃😃lol. The best answer here. Exactly. Next year, it will be Vol. 2025.

    • @gateCodeKC
      @gateCodeKC 4 месяца назад

      So true lol. Been seeing this since the covid pandemic youtuber bubble

    • @bigmedge
      @bigmedge 3 месяца назад

      You must’ve been asleep b/c by any metric, China collapsed around the time they unleashed Covid - trillions of dollars in real estate defaults, trillions more in local gov’t defaults as a result, & hundreds of billions of $ of industrial assets have fled China. & on top of the countless hundreds of millions of people stuck in poverty that China was already famous for

  • @wordscapes5690
    @wordscapes5690 8 месяцев назад +327

    You would also do well to mention that they changed the definition of poverty, which also “rescued” millions from officially being defined as living in poverty.

    • @Lee-gc6nd
      @Lee-gc6nd 8 месяцев назад +16

      There are a billion people in poverty..

    • @Dirtyharry70585
      @Dirtyharry70585 7 месяцев назад

      Also forgot internment camps for slave labor and human part stealing.

    • @docinparadise
      @docinparadise 7 месяцев назад +25

      Thank you! I said the same thing.
      So many “researchers” use China’s numbers without question or looking deeper into what those numbers actually mean.

    • @theCornerOfChina
      @theCornerOfChina 7 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Lee-gc6ndfirst, we have different definition for poverty. nowadays almost every chinese people can feed themselves,drink clean water, 24 hour electric supply, and possess a smartphone to enjoy short video and anti us news ,and living wihtin high quality infrastructure even in a small village, besides they have nothing like vote, speech freedom,and they can not afford a car or big house in city. so ccp said no one still in poverty.

    • @skytron22
      @skytron22 7 месяцев назад

      @@theCornerOfChina yes, China changes their definition of poverty when it suits them. Sure, other countries do similar stat fudging. But no one does it as massively as China, and that is massively dangerous for the Chinese people and the rest of the world

  • @engkiatpoh9696
    @engkiatpoh9696 8 месяцев назад +19

    After 45yrs of continously break neck growth, the country demographic changes and family economical profile also changes significantly. Hence, existing model of endless economic growth path cannot be continued
    It is good to have a realignment China new growth priorities. But any changes out of comfort zone will be painful for any human, even for prudential Chinese. Japan 30yrs of experience is a good case study for China, the key is how China can borrow Japan experience and create something that suit China

    • @Shineinpoverty
      @Shineinpoverty 7 месяцев назад +2

      Can't. It can't because CHina will do what Xi says. He is one man that has the power. It never ends good for countries.
      Besides, it was not him who was responsible for tremendous growth, it was someone else

    • @huikong1964
      @huikong1964 6 месяцев назад

      @@Shineinpoverty 中国要转型是要经历一些痛苦的 中国不像美国人可以去杀印第安人,去掠夺他们的资源 中国还要每天担心美国统治全球的野心

  • @mikekennedy4572
    @mikekennedy4572 7 месяцев назад +65

    I only have anecdotal information about various relatives of my Chinese friends who live in Shanghai, Beijing and Shenzen, and they have seen their respective real estate property values plunge tremendously. At least one of them was preparing to sell a large home they have in a high-rise tower, but the real estate market is in crisis and they are no longer considering selling it.

    • @tannhaeuserx464
      @tannhaeuserx464 7 месяцев назад

      As it should. They are deliberately deflating their real estate market in a controlled fashion to avoid their version of the Great Recession. Whatever is happening in China doesn't compare to the 2008 Great Recession.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад

      I have friends in China.. chinese people 40-50 yrs age group.... they played the lets get rich like americans game, spurred on by the chinese govt programs and local officials..... now they are shitting their pants and their wealth is diminishing fastttttt and they are scared to talk about it. They have secret meetings where they talk and vent their frustrations... They are terrified of the CCP.

    • @anthonywilson38
      @anthonywilson38 7 месяцев назад +3

      The same has happened in Lanzhou. Realestate has come down however but peo0le are not buying either. People have lost jobs. Even population growth has stalled. Not good for China.

    • @ginaibisi777
      @ginaibisi777 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@anthonywilson38and all this Economy crisis is thanks to Russia 😢

    • @DogmaticAtheist
      @DogmaticAtheist 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@anthonywilson38population growth has more than stalled.. part of the reason for the chinese miracle is the fact that the fertility rate crashed decades ago. It's called the demographic dividend

  • @sulblazer
    @sulblazer 8 месяцев назад +56

    Only thing you’re missing on the thumbnail “in 22 days”.

    • @Volv0x.
      @Volv0x. 7 месяцев назад +2

      😂😂

    • @User-nw37
      @User-nw37 7 месяцев назад

      Garbage report: garbage in, garbage out. 😂 it is for the dumbs out there, the smart ones know what is going on.

  • @asan1050
    @asan1050 7 месяцев назад +15

    Complex analysis, Thanks for posting this video.

  • @famnyblom6321
    @famnyblom6321 8 месяцев назад +260

    Whenever I see an absolute value such as X billions lost value without any mention of percentage, I immediately start to suspect that it is meant to sound worse than it really is.

    • @davisutton1
      @davisutton1 8 месяцев назад +21

      In this case you can assume that it is worse than it sounds. That said, I agree that there are numerous ways in which data can be spun. Imagine a crash in the Dow today of 100 points, it's a daily fluctuation, back in the late twenties it would have been a major crash.

    • @qijingfan5656
      @qijingfan5656 8 месяцев назад +5

      Including this video too😂

    • @bin.s.s.
      @bin.s.s. 8 месяцев назад +7

      So are the words "real reason", "how big", "what you don't know", etc.

    • @alienbotfarm187
      @alienbotfarm187 8 месяцев назад +1

      Think about it, china been on the rise since 80s and usa cant handle competition. Its propaganda, they say its been in decline for years. Dont you think it would be declined by now??

    • @dan61131
      @dan61131 8 месяцев назад

      enforcing communism is a suicidal acts against free market or capitalism!

  • @2369drew
    @2369drew 7 месяцев назад +47

    U can only hide dirt for so long under the rug until it becomes too obvious. The nature of hiding the truth really comes out in the most inconvenient way.

    • @HopsinThaGoat
      @HopsinThaGoat 7 месяцев назад

      Exactly there’s too much dirt(corruption/slavelabor) China has been hiding for years this could almost be predicted after Covid

    • @khein2204
      @khein2204 16 дней назад

      He forgot to mention that Evergrande that borrow excessive debt despite in huge profit property business is a private company, the state owned property companies are relatively unscathed because they don't borrow so much

    • @khein2204
      @khein2204 16 дней назад

      That is capitalism greed for you, a private company that borrow so much despite huge profit because he wants more

  • @rannyorton
    @rannyorton 7 месяцев назад +14

    This seems like the worst period.Even the markets are very unpredictable.started investing recently when the market prices were a bit high,today i am more than 60% down

    • @belljoe
      @belljoe 7 месяцев назад +3

      I used to think every investor lose out during recession, meanwhile some make millions. I also thought everybody went out of business during the Great Depression, but some went into business. Bottom line, there's always depression for some, and profit for others, it all starts from having the right mindset

    • @ernestogastelum9123
      @ernestogastelum9123 6 месяцев назад

      @@belljoe it a loss for the ones who were already in the business since they lose most of their investments and money. its a good timing for the ones who are barely starting since they can buy stocks when they are cheap without losing that much money. they just need to wait until the business goes back up before cashing in.

  • @joperc
    @joperc 6 месяцев назад +4

    Meanwhile 34 American CEO visit Beijing for the China Development Forum 2024, and Apple opened it's second-largest store globally in Shanghai, oh well.....

  • @lawrencewong6184
    @lawrencewong6184 8 месяцев назад +2

    Absolute nonsense. China is already the largest creditor and largest Real Economy in the world.
    Whereas USA is bankrupt, the largest debtor nation in the world. Janet Yellen was going around begging for loans to no avail.
    What crap is this???

  • @GwamallaGhirras
    @GwamallaGhirras 8 месяцев назад +13

    How is the US and EU economy doing - any better? What about the Russian economy? And how does the debt of China compare to the US debt ?

    • @JD-ny9qj
      @JD-ny9qj 8 месяцев назад

      Oh the US is fucked too, they’re rolling out the money printer so they can pay their debt payments right now.

  • @japilim
    @japilim 8 месяцев назад +14

    More than 20 years and still harping the same tune.

  • @michishige123
    @michishige123 8 месяцев назад +39

    I see more youtubers saying collapse, yet each time with a different prediction of when it will happen

    • @JohnSmith-or4ed
      @JohnSmith-or4ed 8 месяцев назад

      It’s clearly just propaganda against China. Deep down Americans fear China. And to denigrate them is the only way Americans can feel better about their own woeful situation.

    • @cc23001
      @cc23001 8 месяцев назад +3

      It's as if they're autonomous individuals with their own opinions right?

    • @pipipupu5104
      @pipipupu5104 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@cc23001 it's to make sure the Chinese bots remain irritated as always.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад +1

      The point is COLLAPSE.. formulate a personal plan.. Food Fuel Firearms in that order...

    • @roberts2697
      @roberts2697 7 месяцев назад

      @@pipipupu5104 And there is always a butthurt pipi in the comment section who cannot digest any comments which contradict their dream of seeing a China collapse.

  • @MegaBanne
    @MegaBanne 8 месяцев назад +271

    Deflation is not the problem.
    The crash of an astronomical housing bubble, unrivaled by anything from history, has popped.
    People have not stopped consuming because they are saving.
    That would be positive news.
    People have stopped consuming because they are servicing their loans.
    The housing market is gone.
    Second hand prices has reduced by more than 90%.
    We are talking about a housing market, able to populate more than 400 million households, owned by 100 million middle class households or worse.
    It is illegal in China to default on your loans.
    There is no way for your average person to go bankrupt.
    So the middle class of China is paying of their loans instead of consuming.

    • @Shinobubu
      @Shinobubu 8 месяцев назад +55

      while losing the jobs that they need to pay those loans. It's a death spiral.

    • @wotltkfkdgo
      @wotltkfkdgo 8 месяцев назад +37

      What you described is called balance sheet recession and is the same thing that Japan went through. The issue with balance sheet recession is that it causes deflation. Deflation makes it impossible for a country to recover as its a self-enforcing cycle. Chinese are in for a difficult time.

    • @killmozzies
      @killmozzies 8 месяцев назад

      Then why do chinese banks have no money?

    • @henli-rw5dw
      @henli-rw5dw 8 месяцев назад

      The bubble already popped. The government is stepping in to stabilize (but not allowing it to go up). All because Xi says housing is to live in. Going forward housing and stock will no longer be a driver of growth for China. All growth will come from manufacturing.

    • @hdhdhshscbxhdh4195
      @hdhdhshscbxhdh4195 8 месяцев назад +17

      Where is the data that property values have dropped 90%? This sounds completely made up along with your statement about being illegal to default

  • @SuperbBleu
    @SuperbBleu 7 месяцев назад +36

    The US government has accumulated a huge amount of debt as well. Similarly, Japan has been struggling with its public debts and intractable deflation.

    • @Mr.Monta77
      @Mr.Monta77 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah but for the USA, we literally own the money printing press. And as long as the US administration pays the interest rate on it’s loans, the situation is hardly dramatic. And remember, most other countries’ debt is in USD. And USD is the standard for most big finance transactions, like the oil industry etc. The trillions dollar debt of the US should certainly not lead to complacency, but if the billionaires paid their fair share, the US could quickly start balancing their books. As long as moron MAGA vote for Trump, that won’t happen though.

    • @malcolmbirkett1347
      @malcolmbirkett1347 7 месяцев назад +8

      They can pay the debt😊 that's the difference 😊

    • @chrissong6549
      @chrissong6549 7 месяцев назад

      US can "pay", how about Japan ?@@malcolmbirkett1347

    • @ervinzhou8251
      @ervinzhou8251 7 месяцев назад

      Do your facts come from a cereal box? US cannot and will not repay their debts​@@malcolmbirkett1347

    • @JB-xl2jc
      @JB-xl2jc 7 месяцев назад +4

      The US GDP to debt ratio is not actually that bad. Debt added vs growth added sits at around 120% YTY. Which isn't perfect but is far from the serious problem so many think it is (mostly whoever is the political opposition party at the time, and notice as soon as they get into power suddenly they stop talking about it).
      Further, US Market cap sits comfortably at 51 trillion which massively outstrips the roughly 34 trillion in debt. But the real way that accountants and debtors view the rconomy is in TOTAL debt, including private, versus TOTAL production including all finished products and capital in an economy.
      When we do that, we see just how titan the US is, and how healthy it is.
      Total economic value of $269 trillion (1576% of GDP) and debts of $145.8 trillion (852% of GDP) to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion (723% of GDP).
      Truly colossal economy. By comparison, I don't have numbers I trust on China's economy... but by ALL accounts, far smaller and far more lopsided. It's what happens when you try to rapidly industrialize, educate, but also oppress, over a billion people for so long.

  • @jacksteven128
    @jacksteven128 7 месяцев назад +3

    Don't worry. China is all good. They have so much population and they can sustain themselves Just domestically.

  • @Danomite99
    @Danomite99 8 месяцев назад +36

    GDP can be very misleading. Especially when countries are obsessed with hitting a number and “cook the books” in order to prop it up.
    When looking at investment, I’m sure there is a massive amount of unaccounted government spending that has been hidden.
    One does not build an entire nations infrastructure in 20 years without it.

    • @malcolmbirkett1347
      @malcolmbirkett1347 7 месяцев назад

      They don't tell the truth 😊 that's because they are communist 😊

    • @orionred2489
      @orionred2489 7 месяцев назад +2

      GDP is only a good indicator when it reflects well on your favored political party. Any other time, it's an incomprehensible figure you're just not educated enough to understand. I learned this from Facebook.

    • @cultugarvealgarve7380
      @cultugarvealgarve7380 7 месяцев назад

      only when it s controllable, not from some bragging@@orionred2489

    • @zacksmith5644
      @zacksmith5644 6 месяцев назад

      China is facing issues at 5.2% growth but usa is robust growth at 1.9% 😂😂😂 sure kid

    • @Danomite99
      @Danomite99 6 месяцев назад

      @@zacksmith5644 oh goodness Zach… if you think their growth numbers are reflective of their current performance, you are sadly mistaken.
      There are several under-lying issues that will not only stagnate China (very similar to what Japan experienced in the early 90’s,) but most likely far worse.

  • @babykingkong7010
    @babykingkong7010 8 месяцев назад +2

    China has been collapsing for over half a century in western propaganda 😂😂. Anything new? I remembered when I first came to America for school the professor told us the same things,the industry gonna collapse because of counterfeiters . The movie industry gonna collapse because of copyrights …. More than 20 years passed by. 😂😂. I laughed 😅

  • @ozyrob1
    @ozyrob1 8 месяцев назад +34

    I'd like to know the true wealth of countries ajusted for debt. This would be a far more honest view of "wealth" or size of an economy.

    • @andrewmerklinghaus6316
      @andrewmerklinghaus6316 8 месяцев назад +3

      Most bug economies have debt to gdp around 75 to 120 percent. But sovereign debt is a lot different than household debt, because countries have so much more leverage than an individual. A better but more complicated Stat is your return on that debt, ie are you taking out loans to expand your economy well or taking out loans to cover the last loan

    • @jaimhaas5170
      @jaimhaas5170 8 месяцев назад

      Imagine using the USA in your honest view.

    • @Dimitri88888888
      @Dimitri88888888 8 месяцев назад

      ​​@@jaimhaas5170it would be doing incredibly well actually. There is a website that tracks all US debt and assets and you can see the stat for assets growing SIGNIFICANTLY faster than debt meaning that the longer the US exists in its current state the smaller the debt proportional to its economy.

  • @Chinook-tj9bv
    @Chinook-tj9bv 8 месяцев назад +141

    Can you do one on the USA's state of the economy? I would love to hear what your thoughts are.

    • @独孤求败-d6i
      @独孤求败-d6i 8 месяцев назад

      美国经济很危险,34万亿债务,中东被伊朗打的破烂不堪😂

    • @MrK-js3it
      @MrK-js3it 8 месяцев назад +27

      The US’s stock is all time high.. unemployment rate is still low..inflation is still high, but kinda under control..so don’t think much to talk about

    • @albertB215
      @albertB215 8 месяцев назад

      USA is showing economic growth of a emerging country in their prime.
      Its simply impossible.

    • @najnagirat5079
      @najnagirat5079 8 месяцев назад

      Agree . . . China's infrastructure more better than USA. This writter should focus on USA's subway, homeless, inflation, bad infrastructures, criminal rate, etc. This video is bias and unfair

    • @HOI4notsoproplayer
      @HOI4notsoproplayer 8 месяцев назад +13

      ​@@MrK-js3it US inflation is kinda great when we compare to the people south of them but for the US its pretty much a kinda bad situation xd

  • @ladyk7389
    @ladyk7389 8 месяцев назад +5

    How about the rest of the countries which have lower GDP growth rate?

  • @JC-ub8mh
    @JC-ub8mh 8 месяцев назад +12

    Curious if you think that recent rally in Tech is due to large investors moving what they DID have in Chinese equities back into US markets.

  • @bigbadallybaby
    @bigbadallybaby 8 месяцев назад +15

    One of their issues results from wanting the benefits of the "free market" with the control of their political system which results in - internal corruption, business which should have failed being allowed to continue and covering up any bad news. Like a person who starts lying to hide things, it can get way out of control....

    • @yaimavol
      @yaimavol 8 месяцев назад

      Spot on. It's way worse than that. This is a country where local officials will paint fields green so they look productive for the satelllite images that the CCP is going to see later. Everything is based on lies and deception and telling people what they want to hear.

    • @ChattyCinnamon
      @ChattyCinnamon 8 месяцев назад +2

      You say this as if political corruption isn't absolutely rife in our countries too...

    • @bigbadallybaby
      @bigbadallybaby 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@ChattyCinnamon Sure it happens in the west. Just it’s much more control in China

    • @jayclean5653
      @jayclean5653 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@ChattyCinnamon There's levels to corruption.

    • @Flat10squirrel
      @Flat10squirrel 7 месяцев назад +2

      democracy do not tell me how many babies I am allowed. or I have to pay mortgage for an invisible condo.

  • @ducky271
    @ducky271 8 месяцев назад +3

    China is ranked second highest country holds US foreign treasury after Japan. Every country has its challenges, good or bad, the leader of the country will need to figure out what to do. China is like US, US has gone through recessions but US survived. Remember the times that everyone was buying multiple houses in the US? If China economy collapsed, it will impact globally. We all should be worried! Let’s pray!

  • @LyndonKruger
    @LyndonKruger 8 месяцев назад +7

    You are aware that we live in a Debt based system, all growth is Debt based. It depends on who creates the debt as to whether it is a real problem for the economy.

    • @DogmaticAtheist
      @DogmaticAtheist 7 месяцев назад

      The real estate boom was a feature, not a bug. They overshot the mark and didn't diversify.

  • @yepching4346
    @yepching4346 8 месяцев назад +9

    This rumours has been going on for more than 30 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @German-bq9xs
      @German-bq9xs 6 месяцев назад

      And they are going to continue. it makes for good propaganda for westerners.

  • @Saif_guidence
    @Saif_guidence 8 месяцев назад +2

    This video is just a distraction from how USA economy is crippling economy 😂

  • @silafaupaulmeredith7251
    @silafaupaulmeredith7251 8 месяцев назад +7

    In purchasing power the Chinese economy is already 1.7 times larger than the US. GDP in ppp is more accurate. There is no need to keep on comparing GDP in USD when you do not trade in USD as China does.

  • @alpeshmittal3779
    @alpeshmittal3779 8 месяцев назад +28

    I have been hearing this since 2000, they manage well it seems

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад

      no no i chinaman and sum ting wong

  • @andre.shaw91
    @andre.shaw91 8 месяцев назад +16

    These videos have been around for years and still no collapse… but great video mate

    • @Shineinpoverty
      @Shineinpoverty 7 месяцев назад +2

      I heard about Evergrande crushing for a fairly long time. Well, it did eventually.
      I wonder if China follows the path, but also slowly.

  • @wangshingyuan7432
    @wangshingyuan7432 7 месяцев назад +3

    @hamish may be helpful if u can do a vid comparing US n China's debt ?

    • @zacksmith5644
      @zacksmith5644 6 месяцев назад

      Easy
      Usa is under chinese debt

  • @radioactivity123
    @radioactivity123 7 дней назад

    Time to make a follow up video on Chinese real estate market...just a request... thanks

  • @CaptainValian
    @CaptainValian 8 месяцев назад +7

    Welcome to the party. Watch China Update with Tony and he gives economic and socio/political analysis.

  • @EricTD1995
    @EricTD1995 8 месяцев назад +4

    Don't worry, BRICS can save the Chinese economy. Right?
    RIGHT?!

    • @gravityissues5210
      @gravityissues5210 8 месяцев назад +4

      South Africa to the rescue! Once they find the light switch....

    • @zacksmith5644
      @zacksmith5644 6 месяцев назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂 brics is under china
      Usa is under chinese loans
      Oooooh u must ve known it right
      RIGHT ?

    • @zacksmith5644
      @zacksmith5644 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@gravityissues5210 agreed
      China is facing issues at 5.2% growth but usa is robust growth at 1.9% 😂😂😂 sure kid

  • @reamshortz
    @reamshortz 7 месяцев назад +1

    Very informative thanks, 👍

  • @siewchinghor3811
    @siewchinghor3811 8 месяцев назад +3

    Another Naysayers of the West

  • @jeffhughes1862
    @jeffhughes1862 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great job on this

    • @odzergaming
      @odzergaming 2 месяца назад

      great job on CIA propaganda

  • @maltyshreddar
    @maltyshreddar 8 месяцев назад +11

    How come youtube knows the answers to everything including the future but the rest of the world does not? 😮

    • @MetaView7
      @MetaView7 8 месяцев назад

      He watched CNBC.
      LOL

    • @maltyshreddar
      @maltyshreddar 8 месяцев назад

      @@MetaView7 is that the secret 😅

  • @31869
    @31869 7 месяцев назад +2

    I always take what Aussies report about China as Biased

  • @janiekcarney5482
    @janiekcarney5482 7 месяцев назад +3

    America is gradually moving away from trade with China. Vietnam and South Korea. And the Philippines. You can see the labels on the things we buy. Of course we trade with Japan.

    • @seawater1322
      @seawater1322 2 месяца назад

      yes they are all proxies for made in ChinaYou know nothing potatohead. just like 'indian oil' - but really its russian.

  • @pablofunky6342
    @pablofunky6342 8 месяцев назад +11

    Was your research conducted in english only?

    • @AaronSForeman
      @AaronSForeman 8 месяцев назад

      This is a great point! Most likely research was U.S articles created to manipulate markets, etc.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад

      why you thing some ting wong?

  • @NagarajanVenkataraman-q7i
    @NagarajanVenkataraman-q7i 3 месяца назад +1

    After all, the U S has recovered from the 2008 financial meltdown starting with the sub-prime mortgage crisis which was also related to real estate sector. Similarly, China, too, will certainly recover sooner than later from its present economic crisis!

  • @au-delabattleworld9051
    @au-delabattleworld9051 8 месяцев назад +10

    Why was GDP in power parity never taken seriously ?
    Especially since GDP in PPP is better than nominal GDP for comparing the economies of different countries.

  • @jliang70
    @jliang70 8 месяцев назад +5

    Do you just rely on Bloomberg or Reuter for your analysis? I think you will need to look at both side of coin. There are countries with much worse debt problem than China. US and Japan. US has a debt level well exceed 320-350% of its GDP, Japan well above 420% of its GDP. But with Asian nations we also know that their citizens are also savers, their saving ration is about two or three times that of the US which is around 45% of their GDP when most American cant even don't even have a week of their wages in their savings. When you said the real estate sector contribute 30% of GDP that is actually incorrect. The real estate and building construction contribute to GDP is 14% . Not allowing EverGrand like companies getting easy access to credit from Chinese Bank is actually the correct policy in minimize the bubble they can create, it makes economic sense to do that and also protecting the banking sector.

  • @jesussonofgod6284
    @jesussonofgod6284 8 месяцев назад +1

    1990. The Economist. China's economy has come to a halt.
    1996. The Economist. China's economy will face a hard landing.
    1998. The Economist: China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth.
    1999. Bank of Canada: Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy.
    2000. Chicago Tribune: China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin.
    2001. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas: A hard landing in China.
    2002. Westchester University: China Anxiously Seeks a Soft Economic Landing
    2003. New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China
    2004. The Economist: The great fall of China?
    2005. Nouriel Roubini: The Risk of a Hard Landing in China
    2006. International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
    2007. TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
    2008. Forbes: Hard Landing In China?
    2009. Fortune: China's hard landing. China must find a way to recover.
    2010: Nouriel Roubini: Hard landing coming in China.
    2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think
    2012: American Interest: Dismal Economic News from China: A Hard Landing
    2013: Zero Hedge: A Hard Landing In China
    2014. CNBC: A hard landing in China.
    2015. Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.
    2016. The Economist: Hard landing looms for China
    2017. National Interest: Is China's Economy Going To Crash?
    2018. CNN: Forget the trade war, China's economy has other big problems
    2020. Economics Explained: The Scary Solution to the Chinese Debt Crisis
    2021. Global Economics: Has China's Downfall Started?
    ....
    Yet it's already 2023 and China's economy is still going strong.

  • @peterneil6859
    @peterneil6859 8 месяцев назад +6

    China economy collapse more than 25 years now, but nothing... Why???
    😂😂😂😂

    • @xiaohexiaoheyang3389
      @xiaohexiaoheyang3389 7 месяцев назад

      @peter, What u want to happen??? become to Africa? Do you have brain? We could be a loser but we still have a brain and two hands

  • @AlphaQ922
    @AlphaQ922 8 месяцев назад +13

    At 14:05, you quoted Bloomberg saying China’s deflationary pressure are the worst in a 14 year period .. however u didn’t mention that quantum of the deflation, which was under 1% for a 3 month period . You also didn’t mention that CPI improved in January by 0.2%.
    Finally, you didn’t bother to mention that almost the decline in CPI in 4q 23 was because of a fall in pork prices ..!

    • @malcolmbirkett1347
      @malcolmbirkett1347 7 месяцев назад +3

      Who cares😊

    • @AlphaQ922
      @AlphaQ922 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@malcolmbirkett1347
      Well certainly not those who are already biased against China..😊

    • @zacksmith5644
      @zacksmith5644 6 месяцев назад

      @@malcolmbirkett1347 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 u are such a joke pumpkin .
      Free market ? Usa has repeatedly violated free market . Sanctions , unilateral sabotage of china.
      Cmon don't peddle free market bs anymore
      Usa europe only use free market when they can manipulate it .
      When china came into power now both europe and usa are crying and sanctioning to stop China
      Free market is chinese market

  • @herbertjones1744
    @herbertjones1744 7 месяцев назад +1

    National Deficit spending is not bad if the spending is direct towards pertinent infrastructures and human capital investments

  • @dongli9702
    @dongli9702 8 месяцев назад +4

    Is the US economy any better than China? What is the current US’s national debt?

    • @sadjaxx
      @sadjaxx 7 месяцев назад +1

      Much better. Certainly low unemployment numbers and low inflation percentages. Housing is still key.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад +1

      33 trillion

    • @dopaminedreams1122
      @dopaminedreams1122 7 месяцев назад

      are you joking?

    • @Grundewalt
      @Grundewalt 5 месяцев назад

      say it ain't so Joe...Are u a supporter of communist China? or a russian troll ? cause only them begin with Whataboutism and Bothsideism

  • @eugenechin2863
    @eugenechin2863 8 месяцев назад +12

    Why don't you make a video about the US economy. It's more dire than China's.

    • @1943stone
      @1943stone 8 месяцев назад +1

      cause truth hurts

    • @ShaunPatterson
      @ShaunPatterson 8 месяцев назад +1

      because it’s not even close. China has a demographic crisis. US doesn’t. at least not yet

    • @1943stone
      @1943stone 8 месяцев назад

      @@ShaunPatterson 1. Do you even realize how big china’s population is ? It’s 1.4 billion. 2. So as long as there is some certain type of crisis, China is gonna do nothing about it ?
      Let’s list some crisis in the US, border crisis, drug crisis, health care crisis, homelessness crisis, gun control crisis, gender crisis, government credibility crisis, and all these are unsolvable issues in the US, fortunately, China has none of them

  • @corkystorky
    @corkystorky 6 месяцев назад

    I appreciate your hard work on this, subscribed

  • @Samson373
    @Samson373 8 месяцев назад +10

    China faces a real estate bubblocalypse. Consider the ratio of the value of its housing market to its GDP. According to Statista, the total value of China's housing market is about $135 trillion. As for GDP, China recently CLAIMED it was $17.7 trillion. Dividing 135 by 17.7 gives a ratio of about 760%. In the US, the ratio is 148%. Moreover, China's true GDP is not $17.7. Its true GDP appears to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 trillion. Using that GDP number, China's ratio comes to more than 1,900%, which is almost 13 times higher than the US ratio -- and that's despite the US itself being in a bit of real estate bubble.

    • @KP-sg9fm
      @KP-sg9fm 8 месяцев назад

      Commercial property loans are going to be a nightmare

  • @leighsimmons2663
    @leighsimmons2663 8 месяцев назад +7

    I live here and it is alarming how quickly attitude here has gone from China is unstoppable to China is doomed. I’m genuinely shocked how quickly it has happened. People here have become so pessimistic.

    • @Anonymous-ld7je
      @Anonymous-ld7je 8 месяцев назад

      It's because of the CCP. A more free China where the Chinese people's ideas and potential was unlocked, instead of oppressed and controlled, would not be doomed. Yes, there would be challenges such as unfavorable demographics, but many countries are facing that challenge and doing better than China. China will never thrive long term under the CCP.

  • @imtiyazhossain3053
    @imtiyazhossain3053 8 месяцев назад +1

    Sure, your words make sense, but here's my question: Have we really escaped from colonialism, or are we still trapped in its clutches? Do you think it's because the United States and their European Union allies haven't yet controlled the market and manipulated the financial system enough to dominate a significant portion of the world's population? But do you really believe that we are beyond colonialism, perhaps not in the same way, but still stuck within the confines of a system that keeps us ensnared?🙄🙄 So, for your sake, let me give you a heads-up from my side. Step out of spreading this kind of twisted news that confuses people. Of course, I'll also mention that every country has its own selfish foreign policy, determining who they work with and showing less interest in collaborating with others. It's their exclusive affair. Here, if you dare to offer advice or suggest cultural assimilation or share New Age advice with anyone else, it functions like a virus. So, let me tell you, firstly, clean up the mess you have in your own backyard, and then come to offer advice to others.

  • @yiquny
    @yiquny 8 месяцев назад +14

    China will be fine. I believe in about 15 years from now, China will be leading in most fields, science, tech, education, engineering, ...

    • @SILLY_BILLY_777
      @SILLY_BILLY_777 8 месяцев назад +1

      他們付給你的錢好嗎?

    • @yiquny
      @yiquny 8 месяцев назад

      @@SILLY_BILLY_777 好啊。人民币,很香!

    • @fm-9129
      @fm-9129 8 месяцев назад

      That is your opinion. Data doesn’t show that.

    • @yiquny
      @yiquny 8 месяцев назад

      @@fm-9129 on line search "China leading US in technology race in all but a few fields, think-tank finds"

    • @yiquny
      @yiquny 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@fm-9129 now China is leading in 37 of 44 technologies tracked...

  • @jeni719
    @jeni719 8 месяцев назад +15

    Not mentioned but very important is that they have passed espionage laws that are vague, and basically any foreigner can be arrested at any time for any reason for espionage. China has a 99% conviction rate, and is basically lawless, where foreigners have no legas recourse. So if you are a foreigner, it is time to leave. No foreign companies want to invest in China with this climate. All new western factories are being built else where.

    • @Bufford2024
      @Bufford2024 8 месяцев назад +3

      Yup. One big red prison camp.

    • @t.dickinson7942
      @t.dickinson7942 8 месяцев назад

      We should have never entered a Communist Country

    • @baikeiast5255
      @baikeiast5255 8 месяцев назад

      All white stop retiring in asia go retire in your own country

  • @pixelmasque
    @pixelmasque 8 месяцев назад +1

    Housing debt is local in china, its not 2008, housing is not the biggestsectors in china, they are readjusting and will do just fine the next decade, their growing high tech sectors, green energy and reactor technology are world leading, its why the biggest investors and and banks are wanting in, if i had a dollar for every china collapse story the last 50 years 😂😂😂😂❤. You might want to worry a bit more about the dilapitated U.S culture and infrastructure .

  • @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704
    @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704 8 месяцев назад +5

    There's also the possibility that since the number of births was so low in 2022 the CCP had to admit that the population shrank that year - it was probably already doing so since 2020 to the tune of up 100M people who don't exist.

  • @AntoBlo
    @AntoBlo 8 месяцев назад +11

    At 12:55 you say that a third of LGFVs were unprofitable, but the text on screen says that they did not generate a posit cash flow. Those are entirely different things. A company can lose cash while turning a large profit or be cash positive when operating a loss.

    • @AntoBlo
      @AntoBlo 8 месяцев назад +2

      Another clarification, at 16:06 you state that deflation is "worse than inflation". That is not necessarily true, although it is correct for the case of China. Deflation is a bad sign, when it is a consequence of lower purchasing power, and it leads to the negative feedback loop you described. Deflation can however be a good sign. In the late 19th century, the US experienced one of the greatest leaps in purchasing power and standards of living ever recorded. That was a time marked by deflation. The money supply was dependent on gold production, while productivity was skyrocketing, which led to deflation.
      Not trying to be pedantic here, just adding my 2 cents. Great video.

  • @andypickett1
    @andypickett1 8 месяцев назад +1

    90% of Cinese construction in the last twenty years has little value as the materials and project management are sub- standard. Millions of mortgage holders have lost their life savings.

  • @SG-js2qn
    @SG-js2qn 8 месяцев назад +6

    It's good that the beginning of the video illustrates the channel's ignorance of China.

  • @dikkypap1978
    @dikkypap1978 8 месяцев назад +9

    the confidence on government is the most important factor.

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад

      that sounds very chinese/chinglish lol sounds like sum ting wong

  • @อรุณรัตน์ศิขรินรัตน์

    Have talked like this for 40 years.

  • @alfredoleal2101
    @alfredoleal2101 8 месяцев назад +1

    For 40 years you have been repeating that. The truth chinas industrial power is bigger than G7 combine .and ny gdp PPP is bigger than usa japan and Germany.

  • @JamesBlume-u4i
    @JamesBlume-u4i 8 месяцев назад +3

    Who builds Housing Units, brand new, and destroys them for a lack of money ?! Chinese are NOT like this? This was nuts !

  • @kwokleongawyong2895
    @kwokleongawyong2895 8 месяцев назад +4

    Cash in the China's is risky, all the big banks are state owned, it is difficult to make withdrawal.

  • @kirkli1073
    @kirkli1073 7 месяцев назад +1

    What was mentioned enough was the fact that the wild spread corruption under the previous two leaders were devastating to the economy of China. China Everglades Group was the guilty of bribing bankers and officials in trillions. President Xi was the most brave and wise leader that has been crushing corruption since his ruling of a country in danger of losing control of the rampant corruption that had been the worst ever in the long history of the country. Jiang was the most corrupt leader of China and Hu was a weak leader who was always under the influence of Jiang during his decade long tenure. This is a fact known to almost all Chinese.

  • @johndesade126
    @johndesade126 8 месяцев назад +18

    Most people write timetamps as TIME, then description:
    00:00 INTRO
    01:16 45 YEARS OF GROWTH
    04:17 STATE OWNED ENTERPRIS
    05:05 CRISIS AFTER CRISIS
    10:29 HIDDEN DEBT CRISIS
    13:47 HIDDEN DEBT CRISIS

    • @gregorioh5263
      @gregorioh5263 8 месяцев назад +5

      I don't think it matters.

    • @stoppernz229
      @stoppernz229 8 месяцев назад +4

      It's actually better his way, you should have a wee think why before being a Karen

    • @stoppernz229
      @stoppernz229 8 месяцев назад +2

      It's actually better his way, you should have a wee think why before being a Karen

    • @stoppernz229
      @stoppernz229 8 месяцев назад +2

      It's actually better his way, you should have a wee think why before being a Karen

    • @stoppernz229
      @stoppernz229 8 месяцев назад +2

      It's actually better his way, you should have a wee think why before being a Karen

  • @oxydator
    @oxydator 8 месяцев назад +17

    Regarding the poverty numbers in China: The Chinese threshold for poverty has been lowered more and more over the years, contrary to inflation, making it appear as if they were highly successful in reducing poverty.

    • @weewahgan6922
      @weewahgan6922 8 месяцев назад

      Look at the Homeless issues in US and Canada and UK. Go check out China on Homelessness. The Chinese government address such issues but government in the West do not bother.

    • @jackb616
      @jackb616 8 месяцев назад +5

      Can you provide a source on this? Doesn’t sound right

    • @salsa564
      @salsa564 8 месяцев назад +5

      That’s completely incorrect.

    • @ivancho5854
      @ivancho5854 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@jackb616 He's 100% correct. Watch a few interviews with Michael Pettis for a deep dive into China. He's utterly brilliant.
      All the best.

    • @malcolmbirkett1347
      @malcolmbirkett1347 7 месяцев назад +1

      If you have 1 pork chops you are not poor😊

  • @endrankluvsda4loko172
    @endrankluvsda4loko172 8 месяцев назад +5

    Wait, if debt is the reason China is having financial drama, why is it working so well for the US?

    • @MaliVal
      @MaliVal 8 месяцев назад +1

      Because America does not rely on anything domestically. There is a constant exploitation of underdeveloped countries. The global economy runs through america and Americas currency. The dollar never loses its value since every other country conforms to its demand.

    • @lukacsiano41
      @lukacsiano41 8 месяцев назад +1

      Isso que você disse é científico? Você não sente nojo de afirmar essa posição aos Estados Unidos ?​

    • @VinceTomJones
      @VinceTomJones 7 месяцев назад

      lol some ting wong you head

  • @yikuangloh5560
    @yikuangloh5560 7 месяцев назад +8

    What platform was used for the analysis at 11:21?

  • @jerryfish09
    @jerryfish09 8 месяцев назад +1

    Appreciate for your research for this video, but suggest you better to do a trip to China before you make any conclusion. By talking to local people, you know another side of the story.

  • @DonLee1980
    @DonLee1980 8 месяцев назад +5

    The whole “pulled out of poverty” is assuming poverty is less than $300 a year in income.

  • @P_Saransh
    @P_Saransh 8 месяцев назад +12

    Bro please read about USA as well. The debt to gdp ratio of more than 120% percent should not go unnoticed and a deeper analysis like you did for China in this video is also highly warranted for USA.

    • @Christopher_TG
      @Christopher_TG 8 месяцев назад +7

      The US is a much wealthier country with a national income per capita more than 5 times that of China. If you're wealthier, you can afford to handle more debt. Not saying that the US shouldn't be worried about its debt, but it's not nearly the danger that a lot of the fear mongering suggests it is.

    • @akeshshi9137
      @akeshshi9137 8 месяцев назад +1

      It's different when the USD is TRUSTED as the world's reserve currency. India had an issue with Russia where they had too much rupees - and it slowed down the purchase of it.

    • @Flat10squirrel
      @Flat10squirrel 7 месяцев назад

      your government tells you how many babies you are allow. do you pay mortgages on invisible properties.

    • @P_Saransh
      @P_Saransh 7 месяцев назад

      Hey heard that US economy is headed for a hard landing. All the best guys with all the de dollarisation going on in the world.

  • @HuyNguyen-ne1nf
    @HuyNguyen-ne1nf 8 месяцев назад +1

    There’s no economy which’s in crisis that has a 5% gdp growth rate. Please study more before making video 😂

  • @jaceklebiocki9448
    @jaceklebiocki9448 8 месяцев назад +6

    thanks for the effort ! please share your understanding of how this can influence Australia

  • @chicanohek
    @chicanohek 8 месяцев назад +8

    “Research” hahahhahahahhahahahahahaha

  • @far.k.3112
    @far.k.3112 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you !

  • @ostingonerazan6451
    @ostingonerazan6451 8 месяцев назад +5

    your research is old news. you are too late. where have you been?

    • @greatndit
      @greatndit 8 месяцев назад +1

      3 years late

  • @Bassett1997
    @Bassett1997 7 месяцев назад +3

    You said deflation is worse than inflation. For who? I would say deflation punishes irresponsible people/businesses while inflation punishes responsible people/businesses, but that is what it seems like our government prefers to do.

  • @route2115
    @route2115 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for making this video.

  • @robertcanastra2288
    @robertcanastra2288 8 месяцев назад +4

    What I'd like to know is how will this affect the rest of the world, and the US in particular.

  • @martiniiilim7497
    @martiniiilim7497 8 месяцев назад +3

    You say that state owned banks in China keep on printing money to lend to state owned enterprises and is inflationary. Yet in the first few minutes of your video you mentioned that there is deflation in China. How is that?

  • @jerryrichardson2799
    @jerryrichardson2799 7 месяцев назад +1

    10X Finance ripped off your content, verbatim, on this video. Thanks for the report.

  • @darkphoenix8350
    @darkphoenix8350 8 месяцев назад +10

    In Australia, developers use a similar model named "Off-the-plan apartments / townhouses / projects"

    • @acl7295
      @acl7295 8 месяцев назад +4

      But in China you will have to pay loan even before the off plan is built.Crazy

    • @tomk8729
      @tomk8729 8 месяцев назад +4

      It's nowhere near the same model.

    • @Bufford2024
      @Bufford2024 8 месяцев назад +1

      Xi, the bad omen.

    • @MrPrince750
      @MrPrince750 7 месяцев назад

      Here in India, we have the same model. It is called "pre-launch" offer.

    • @Bufford2024
      @Bufford2024 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@MrPrince750 Similiar in Cansda , but we call it ... phased personal bankruptcy.

  • @Ackk567
    @Ackk567 8 месяцев назад +6

    HOW MANY FKING TIME DO YOU WESTERN MEDIA WANT TO SAY CHINA COLLAPSE. LIKE I HEARD THIS FROM 20 YEAR AGO

    • @marvinbrando722
      @marvinbrando722 8 месяцев назад +2

      Lol hahahahahaha. Exactly. 10 years or more. This guy has about 3 years since RUclips pushes him to me. So, They will keep doing it for sure.

  • @nahunespinal-s5o
    @nahunespinal-s5o 7 месяцев назад

    Very informational 🙏

  • @ffooss
    @ffooss 8 месяцев назад +6

    Worry about your own country 1st! Is getting from bad to worst!

  • @booneguy
    @booneguy 7 месяцев назад +3

    The situation is well manageable. The country is still having the most billionaire's in the world. Making big profits is not about short-term visions but the long-term patience.

  • @SydblackswanSydblackswan
    @SydblackswanSydblackswan 8 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you. Very well done.

  • @uthikoloshe
    @uthikoloshe 8 месяцев назад +1

    Collapse collapse collapse. All you youtubers are the same. And everyday I wake up and there they are still there.

  • @dcc70
    @dcc70 8 месяцев назад +4

    I've always suspected China is cooking the books to achieve the impossibly high GDP growth. While foreign investment fueled the most solid part of the economy, net export, it's super easy to fudge the infrastructure investment numbers, for example pricing a 1 million yuan bridge at 100 million, contracted to a state owned construction firm, who subcontract the work for 100k, resulting in poorly built bridge while inflating the GDP contribution by a factor of 1000.

    • @Allen-L-Canada
      @Allen-L-Canada 8 месяцев назад

      CCP are full of crooks.

    • @henli-rw5dw
      @henli-rw5dw 8 месяцев назад

      They did cook the book. Their electric consumption is twice US but their GDP is smaller. Their industrial power usage in particular is 5X US.

  • @hotcookies5322
    @hotcookies5322 7 месяцев назад +3

    propagandist reading off of propaganda articles😂

  • @WeAretheWorld89
    @WeAretheWorld89 5 месяцев назад +1

    Ha ha ha. What rubbish US or China is collapsing? Another Gordon Chang?

  • @m89hu
    @m89hu 8 месяцев назад +4

    First!!!

  • @Guohua-y5q
    @Guohua-y5q 6 месяцев назад +3

    BS media distortion kkkkk yeah yeah yeah keep BS

  • @blakejech6846
    @blakejech6846 8 месяцев назад +2

    What is this shit propoganda