Like # 1 of the day. USF to ACC only makes sense if the ACC loses FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami, UVA, VT, NCSt, Pitt & Louisville. It would be the remaining ACC schools trying to survive as a P4 by raiding the AAC (USF, Memphis, Tulane) and Pac2 (WSU, OSU), MWC (SDSU & Fresno St or UNLV) to get to 16.
But there is the question….the more G5 school elevated to B12/ACC are they helping the conference? Or are they weighing it down guaranteeing a tier 2 status?
@@LockedOnCollegeFootballI don’t think we will ever know the impact (or lack of) the UCF, Cincy, and UH had on the B12 and offset the loss of Texas and OU because out the incoming PAC teams. The ACC won’t have that luck.
Spencer Great show: I am no Franklin fan. I cannot see my Nittany Lions going better then 9-3. They are not beating OSU, USC and Wisconsin. Minnesota & West Virginia are also possible road losses. As for USF, I agree about them not being a great add for the ACC. The only way the Bulls make sense is if the ACC loses Miami ( as well as Florida St). Why? So the ACC does not get shut out of Florida. The only scenarios that happens is. 1: FSU to SEC and the Big 10.takes Miami as a “Fallback Option.” 2: Big 10 takes FSU and instead of Clemson they take Miami.
Big TV markets too. Tampa is No. 13, New Orleans is No. 53, and Houston is No. 10. Even if viewers in those markets don't watch their home teams much, they will tune in to see the other ACC teams.
UConn, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Memphis, Virginia, VA Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, South Florida, Miami, SMU, California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State...20-Member ACC. 4 pods of 5 schools. Each plays the 4 teams in their pod plus one of the other pods on a rotating basis annually so that each member plays all of the other 19 members at least once in a 4-year cycle. Also, Notre Dame would play one ACC pod per season and rotate through so each school plays the Irish once in a 4-year cycle. That would assist in travel, keep existing rivalries [ like UVA/UNC...Oregon State/Stanford...BC/Syracuse...], help create new rivals [such as Miami/USF...VT/Memphis...UConn/BC]. And, this also bolsters the basketball, women's and Olympic sports in the ACC. Gotta say a big ole NOPE to San Diego State and Tulane, at least, for now. They bring less by far than an Oregon State, WSU, UConn, Memphis, USF, Boise State, Colorado State, Navy, Army, Air Force or New Mexico State/New Mexico. There are already 2 Cali schools in the league and both are preferable over SDST and the Green Wave would be preferred over a Temple or a Buffalo if for no other reasons than academics and expanding the footprint but they would be down the list a bit.
4:47 I can definitely say that with the years that NC State has been having in football, basketball and now baseball, no way the Wolfpack leaves the ACC. UNC and NC State are tied together. Duke isn't taking cues from UNC either. UNC isn't going anywhere because the ACC is headquartered in Charlotte.
Didn't NC Lawmakers pass a bill that forces UNC to play in-state schools in football and basketball? Seems like they're getting ready for when UNC leaves NC State behind
Respectfully Disagree.. How many people realize that Tallahassee, Clemson and Chapel hill are all small media markets alone? USF would be a pure play for numbers, the Tampa market & converting another Florida football base into eager ACC fans. USF is a large enrollment AAU level academics school. If USF does Louisville numbers that is a win. SMU gets the ACC & ACCN network into Texas. They will be solid on the field. Stanford is the most wealthy and is making adjustments Christian McCaffery is aligned with an attempt at NIL. Also just recently Stanford is examining admission adjustments and Graduate transfers. Cal Just survived a near death Experience & were the targets of Most of the complaints about Calford. They are still a State Flagship in Talent rich territory and are building decent teams in football & basketball. Both schools should perform like their athletic life depends on it. Because it does. Excellence is a choice.
Schools like UNC, FSU, Clemson, WSU, and OSU have large statewide markets. USF has very little market outside of the Tampa, St Pete, Bradenton metro area which they share with the Buccaneers, Gators, and Seminoles. My HS in Fort Lauderdale just graduated 600 seniors with large groups going to UF, FSU, UCF, FAU, and FIU. USF just doesn't draw fans or students from the rest of Florida.
@@teacherjoe7019 that’s an apples and oranges comparison. You can’t gauge interest of USF based on if other unrelated sports do better, especially when your two examples are teams that are always in their sports playoff contention. The facts are if you look at USFs tv numbers when they were in the Big East they were very good, especially when they were ranked which was often back then. Now being in a lesser conference and having no true rivalry with anyone hurts. Plus the prior four years did not help. If USF goes into a better conference, I can say their tv numbers would be very good. Finally a school doesn’t need to control their market to get consideration. Look at Rutgers to the BIG. The school hardly gains interest from the NY market, and the BIG took them still.
The difference why the b12 adding G5 schools was different is because they were able to add the 4 best teams/brands (Houston ehh). Adding USF who has averaged like 3 wins the last 5 seasons would not help make the other ACC teams feel secure about staying. USF and the b12 might have all been G5, but they were on different tiers. If NC, NC ST, Louisville, etc leave and the ACC backfills with usf, Tulane, Memphis, etc they should lose their autonomy
I disagree with you saying the big12 doesn't need aouth Florida...that conference has like 3 teams back east and its a handicap on traveling...it could help take some of the sting out of that, and make for a real land grab in the state of FL when it comes to recruiting...i understand its not one of the big 3 but the idea is to get as many kids as possible getting the idea of the big12 on their minds.
Liberty, James Madison and Appalachian State are available, with Liberty and James Madison winning G5 football right now, and Appalachian State having a great football legacy (No. 44 in all-time wins, No. 16 in all-time winning percentage).
As an Oregon fan, I think Penn State is a strong candidate for the B10 CCG - glad it's the only way they could meet up with Oregon if the Ducks get there (other than the playoffs of course...lots of football to be played)...OSU has to play @PSU and @Oregon...
USF/UCF are counterbalances when one is good. One is bad. They are too close and are all over each other….oh yea that also FSU/UF recruiting grounds. USF doesn’t get out of this hole until UCF becomes a bottom dweller and an afterthought……kind of like USF now.
@@andrewpowell6360 doesn’t appear anytime soon. But it really wasn’t that long ago when UCF was fumbling around under OLeary and USF look like they were good one.
ACC should already have USF, Tulane,Memphis, the Pac 2 and UConn .. in the works.. is Oklahoma st or penn st going to jump to acc.is michigan st going to the big 12. its all rumours and conjecture
South Florida is trying hard not to get bypassed by Florida Atlantic which is not on any conference's list of schools to watch. Penn State in the playoffs, maybe. They are one of half dozen schools with a similar outlook in the B1G. Miami? The U is back for how many years, now?
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Yes, USF has had football for about 20 years longer than FAU and is ahead now, but FAU has already built their own stadium and is the school is stronger in other sports, like basketball.
@@teacherjoe7019 That explains everything. You're an FAU mark. First, your facilities are a joke. Hell that stadium of yours ran out of beer for the bowl game. FAU has only beaten the Bulls twice in b-ball, and they still have a winning record against you in football. USF is an AAU school, and FAU is about on par with St Pete College in St Pete. So yeah....
😂😂 You are so right ! You mentioned a game Miami couldn't lose, and I was going through all the options in my head, and Duke didn't even cross my mind, but you are ABSOLUTELY correct ! If Mario loses to Manny, Hurricane fans will try and run him out of town ! 🏃♀️💨 😂😂
@davidbrown386 I like San Diego State too...but seeing that Oregon State and Washington State have a long standing track record as a P5/4 program it makes for a better argument for the ACC keeping its status after their big boys jump ship
8;49 No Michigan didn't strengthen the Big 10. Look, I know you're mad that USC/UCLA left the PAC-12 for the Big 10 but no one in the Big 10 Chicago HQ office is saying that the league relies on Michigan. If that was the case why did the Big 10 sue the team? Facts are facts.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I love your show and still sub. But your take could be better, and in some way, you ignore your own rule of "presidents decide on expansion." First, you say it can be argued that USF does not control the Tampa market. That is fair, to a certain extent. However, once FSU leaves the conference, the ACC will only have the Miami market, which is questionable at this stage. Honestly, SMU doesn't control the Dallas market and the ACC still took them. As far as Miami being pissed and that they would block USF, that is unlikely as well. Plenty of conferences have added a second school in the same state, and while butt-hurt, things went on (see the SEC and Texas & A&M). Finally, "presidents decide on expansion." Culturally, USF fits in the ACC. Four of the current ACC schools have prior conference relationships with USF (SMU, Louisville, Pitt, & Syracuse). Additionally, USF is an AAU school, and that is a big thing for presidents. Also, USF has had solid scheduling arrangements with the ACC and is in the ACC for sailing. It's not a big sport, but it's a relationship-building affiliation. Couple that with the new facilities and the 12th TV market, which also makes ESPN happy, and the Bulls actually make more sense than any other candidates.
@@vinniegiordano3243 Glad we can reasonably disagree! SMU is hard to compare to because they are taking 0 media rights dollars. They didn't have to bring value, they were essentially a warm body with the potential to strengthen the league. Can USF make that same sort of pitch? I don't think so I don't think ESPN will see them being a valuable TV asset even though they're in a good market--their brand and TV numbers aren't strong enough right now IMO
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball their TV numbers are low because they had four bad years of football and play in a G5 conference. Look at how they did when they were in the Big East. They would have have 55+ at some games. I recommend that you look at Tony Altimore and his data. While far from perfect, USF hit more positives for why they should get in to the ACC than not.
@@vinniegiordano3243 That's a valid point, but I still think they would dilute payments and unless they can take 0 money like SMU then I don't think the ACC bites
L Take. ACC is dying and needs a school on the rise like USF in a market like Tampa. This take clearly shows how you don’t under the current landscape of college football 🤷🏽♂️
Just expand the FBS playoffs to 16 teams with 9 automatic bids, and treat the G5 conferences fairly for once. Like every other sport (college and pro) at every other level, including other levels of college football. With four Power4 bids and 7 at-large bids, the top 11 teams would still make the playoffs, just like now.
@@vinniegiordano3243 who is C? Is that Cincinnati or UCF? Both won the conference multiple times and earned their respect and invite. I never saw usf do any of that.
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Like # 1 of the day. USF to ACC only makes sense if the ACC loses FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami, UVA, VT, NCSt, Pitt & Louisville. It would be the remaining ACC schools trying to survive as a P4 by raiding the AAC (USF, Memphis, Tulane) and Pac2 (WSU, OSU), MWC (SDSU & Fresno St or UNLV) to get to 16.
If that many schools leave, ACC is done
But there is the question….the more G5 school elevated to B12/ACC are they helping the conference? Or are they weighing it down guaranteeing a tier 2 status?
@@adamb6370 Tough balance.
@@LockedOnCollegeFootballI don’t think we will ever know the impact (or lack of) the UCF, Cincy, and UH had on the B12 and offset the loss of Texas and OU because out the incoming PAC teams. The ACC won’t have that luck.
@@adamb6370 Well we can't know for sure, but adding those 4 strengthens the league considerably
Spencer Great show: I am no Franklin fan. I cannot see my Nittany Lions going better then 9-3. They are not beating OSU, USC and Wisconsin. Minnesota & West Virginia are also possible road losses.
As for USF, I agree about them not being a great add for the ACC. The only way the Bulls make sense is if the ACC loses Miami ( as well as Florida St). Why? So the ACC does not get shut out of Florida. The only scenarios that happens is. 1: FSU to SEC and the Big 10.takes Miami as a “Fallback Option.” 2: Big 10 takes FSU and instead of Clemson they take Miami.
Glad you enjoy!
I think 10-2 is plenty feasible
They should be added ASAP. I’d honestly like them in the Big 12 but I don’t know if that would happen
ACC needs to add South Florida, Tulane, and Rice. Go all academic
Big TV markets too. Tampa is No. 13, New Orleans is No. 53, and Houston is No. 10. Even if viewers in those markets don't watch their home teams much, they will tune in to see the other ACC teams.
Facts
lol USF isn’t academically that good. Commuter campus with average GPA for entrance.
UConn, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Memphis, Virginia, VA Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, South Florida, Miami, SMU, California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State...20-Member ACC. 4 pods of 5 schools. Each plays the 4 teams in their pod plus one of the other pods on a rotating basis annually so that each member plays all of the other 19 members at least once in a 4-year cycle. Also, Notre Dame would play one ACC pod per season and rotate through so each school plays the Irish once in a 4-year cycle. That would assist in travel, keep existing rivalries [ like UVA/UNC...Oregon State/Stanford...BC/Syracuse...], help create new rivals [such as Miami/USF...VT/Memphis...UConn/BC]. And, this also bolsters the basketball, women's and Olympic sports in the ACC. Gotta say a big ole NOPE to San Diego State and Tulane, at least, for now. They bring less by far than an Oregon State, WSU, UConn, Memphis, USF, Boise State, Colorado State, Navy, Army, Air Force or New Mexico State/New Mexico. There are already 2 Cali schools in the league and both are preferable over SDST and the Green Wave would be preferred over a Temple or a Buffalo if for no other reasons than academics and expanding the footprint but they would be down the list a bit.
But what would the TV deal look like I see schools jumping to the Big 12 if they don't like the new numbers
4:47 I can definitely say that with the years that NC State has been having in football, basketball and now baseball, no way the Wolfpack leaves the ACC. UNC and NC State are tied together. Duke isn't taking cues from UNC either. UNC isn't going anywhere because the ACC is headquartered in Charlotte.
Didn't NC Lawmakers pass a bill that forces UNC to play in-state schools in football and basketball? Seems like they're getting ready for when UNC leaves NC State behind
2 final 4s and a CWS in the same year. That AD is doing a heck of a job
Stanford has won more football games this century than North Carolina.
Respectfully Disagree..
How many people realize that Tallahassee, Clemson and Chapel hill are all small media markets alone? USF would be a pure play for numbers, the Tampa market & converting another Florida football base into eager ACC fans. USF is a large enrollment AAU level academics school. If USF does Louisville numbers that is a win.
SMU gets the ACC & ACCN network into Texas. They will be solid on the field.
Stanford is the most wealthy and is making adjustments Christian McCaffery is aligned with an attempt at NIL. Also just recently Stanford is examining admission adjustments and Graduate transfers.
Cal Just survived a near death Experience & were the targets of Most of the complaints about Calford. They are still a State Flagship in Talent rich territory and are building decent teams in football & basketball.
Both schools should perform like their athletic life depends on it. Because it does. Excellence is a choice.
Schools like UNC, FSU, Clemson, WSU, and OSU have large statewide markets. USF has very little market outside of the Tampa, St Pete, Bradenton metro area which they share with the Buccaneers, Gators, and Seminoles. My HS in Fort Lauderdale just graduated 600 seniors with large groups going to UF, FSU, UCF, FAU, and FIU. USF just doesn't draw fans or students from the rest of Florida.
@@teacherjoe7019 it’s the 12th market in the US.
@@vinniegiordano3243 And where does USF fit in that 12th market? Way behind the Lightning but pretty close to the Rays, right?
@@teacherjoe7019 that’s an apples and oranges comparison. You can’t gauge interest of USF based on if other unrelated sports do better, especially when your two examples are teams that are always in their sports playoff contention. The facts are if you look at USFs tv numbers when they were in the Big East they were very good, especially when they were ranked which was often back then. Now being in a lesser conference and having no true rivalry with anyone hurts. Plus the prior four years did not help. If USF goes into a better conference, I can say their tv numbers would be very good. Finally a school doesn’t need to control their market to get consideration. Look at Rutgers to the BIG. The school hardly gains interest from the NY market, and the BIG took them still.
@@teacherjoe7019what a stupid comment about your high school students not going to USF. USF is the 2nd most applied to school in Florida behind FSU.
The difference why the b12 adding G5 schools was different is because they were able to add the 4 best teams/brands (Houston ehh). Adding USF who has averaged like 3 wins the last 5 seasons would not help make the other ACC teams feel secure about staying. USF and the b12 might have all been G5, but they were on different tiers. If NC, NC ST, Louisville, etc leave and the ACC backfills with usf, Tulane, Memphis, etc they should lose their autonomy
I disagree with you saying the big12 doesn't need aouth Florida...that conference has like 3 teams back east and its a handicap on traveling...it could help take some of the sting out of that, and make for a real land grab in the state of FL when it comes to recruiting...i understand its not one of the big 3 but the idea is to get as many kids as possible getting the idea of the big12 on their minds.
Liberty, James Madison and Appalachian State are available, with Liberty and James Madison winning G5 football right now, and Appalachian State having a great football legacy (No. 44 in all-time wins, No. 16 in all-time winning percentage).
As an Oregon fan, I think Penn State is a strong candidate for the B10 CCG - glad it's the only way they could meet up with Oregon if the Ducks get there (other than the playoffs of course...lots of football to be played)...OSU has to play @PSU and @Oregon...
USF/UCF are counterbalances when one is good. One is bad. They are too close and are all over each other….oh yea that also FSU/UF recruiting grounds. USF doesn’t get out of this hole until UCF becomes a bottom dweller and an afterthought……kind of like USF now.
And that won’t happen
@@andrewpowell6360 doesn’t appear anytime soon. But it really wasn’t that long ago when UCF was fumbling around under OLeary and USF look like they were good one.
ACC should already have USF, Tulane,Memphis, the Pac 2 and UConn .. in the works.. is Oklahoma st or penn st going to jump to acc.is michigan st going to the big 12. its all rumours and conjecture
South Florida is trying hard not to get bypassed by Florida Atlantic which is not on any conference's list of schools to watch. Penn State in the playoffs, maybe. They are one of half dozen schools with a similar outlook in the B1G. Miami? The U is back for how many years, now?
FAU is sooooooo far behind USF the chance of being lapsed is low.
I think USF is ahead of FAU in football
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Yes, USF has had football for about 20 years longer than FAU and is ahead now, but FAU has already built their own stadium and is the school is stronger in other sports, like basketball.
@@teacherjoe7019 That explains everything. You're an FAU mark. First, your facilities are a joke. Hell that stadium of yours ran out of beer for the bowl game. FAU has only beaten the Bulls twice in b-ball, and they still have a winning record against you in football. USF is an AAU school, and FAU is about on par with St Pete College in St Pete. So yeah....
@@teacherjoe7019 Oh and the Bulls only had a football team for five years more than FAU. Not 20...Facts help...
USF is good school in a good sized market, but they've been bad at football lately. Tulane or Memphis (or both) would make more sense for the ACC.
Canes will be state and acc champions this year 🌀 🙌
How do you figure that? If FSU leaves they won’t schedule you annually. No room. Your only annual in state will be USF
CFB isn't ready for that!
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You are so right !
You mentioned a game Miami couldn't lose, and I was going through all the options in my head, and Duke didn't even cross my mind, but you are ABSOLUTELY correct ! If Mario loses to Manny, Hurricane fans will try and run him out of town !
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It would not go over well and....it shouldn't go well
Glad someone agrees ;)
(Miami should win by 10+)
The ACC needs to swing out west and take some of heat off Stanford and Cal....Oregon State and Washington State is right their....why not?
I would prefer SDSU to OSU & WSU due to location and TV Market
@@davidbrown386 OSU and WSU have statewide markets. The SDSU market stops at the county line, just like the Padres market.
No arguments from me.
@davidbrown386
I like San Diego State too...but seeing that Oregon State and Washington State have a long standing track record as a P5/4 program it makes for a better argument for the ACC keeping its status after their big boys jump ship
Spencer: UT, A&M, Tech, Baylor & TCU all have donors just as rich as smu.
8;49 No Michigan didn't strengthen the Big 10. Look, I know you're mad that USC/UCLA left the PAC-12 for the Big 10 but no one in the Big 10 Chicago HQ office is saying that the league relies on Michigan. If that was the case why did the Big 10 sue the team? Facts are facts.
Relies on Michigan? I said was strengthened by their greatness--which they were
Sorry, your USF take is so off the mark it was painful to listen to.
Well thanks for listening anyway!
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I love your show and still sub. But your take could be better, and in some way, you ignore your own rule of "presidents decide on expansion." First, you say it can be argued that USF does not control the Tampa market. That is fair, to a certain extent. However, once FSU leaves the conference, the ACC will only have the Miami market, which is questionable at this stage. Honestly, SMU doesn't control the Dallas market and the ACC still took them. As far as Miami being pissed and that they would block USF, that is unlikely as well. Plenty of conferences have added a second school in the same state, and while butt-hurt, things went on (see the SEC and Texas & A&M). Finally, "presidents decide on expansion." Culturally, USF fits in the ACC. Four of the current ACC schools have prior conference relationships with USF (SMU, Louisville, Pitt, & Syracuse). Additionally, USF is an AAU school, and that is a big thing for presidents. Also, USF has had solid scheduling arrangements with the ACC and is in the ACC for sailing. It's not a big sport, but it's a relationship-building affiliation. Couple that with the new facilities and the 12th TV market, which also makes ESPN happy, and the Bulls actually make more sense than any other candidates.
@@vinniegiordano3243 Glad we can reasonably disagree!
SMU is hard to compare to because they are taking 0 media rights dollars. They didn't have to bring value, they were essentially a warm body with the potential to strengthen the league. Can USF make that same sort of pitch? I don't think so
I don't think ESPN will see them being a valuable TV asset even though they're in a good market--their brand and TV numbers aren't strong enough right now IMO
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball their TV numbers are low because they had four bad years of football and play in a G5 conference. Look at how they did when they were in the Big East. They would have have 55+ at some games. I recommend that you look at Tony Altimore and his data. While far from perfect, USF hit more positives for why they should get in to the ACC than not.
@@vinniegiordano3243 That's a valid point, but I still think they would dilute payments and unless they can take 0 money like SMU then I don't think the ACC bites
USF is not UCF.
They’re pretty similar
NCST might not get picked up by the Big12
Why would they leave? The ACC is better, more local, and the pay is the same.
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L Take. ACC is dying and needs a school on the rise like USF in a market like Tampa. This take clearly shows how you don’t under the current landscape of college football 🤷🏽♂️
Just put every G5 in a P4 conference and call it a day.
It sounds so simple
Just expand the FBS playoffs to 16 teams with 9 automatic bids, and treat the G5 conferences fairly for once. Like every other sport (college and pro) at every other level, including other levels of college football. With four Power4 bids and 7 at-large bids, the top 11 teams would still make the playoffs, just like now.
If the ACC invites usf, then the conference has openly declared itself a group of 5.
Kinda like the Big 12 did with C...
@@vinniegiordano3243 who is C? Is that Cincinnati or UCF? Both won the conference multiple times and earned their respect and invite. I never saw usf do any of that.
The ACC still has FSU, Clemson and Miami, which puts them clearly ahead of the Big12, whose top returning team is.... Arizona?
That’s not true. We added 4 and it turned out okay
@@mike111777 C is C. If you don’t know there is nothing out there for ya.
Big12 >>>> Acc
How so? The Big12's best returning team is Arizona, coming off a fluky season. The ACC still has FSU and Clemson, fairly recent national champions.
No one cares about smu
Don't sleep on the Pony Express. They will spend their way into contention. It's all legal now.
Their fan base is growing