personally I think Wildz is a little bitch for quitting out like that. Anyone who quits without the game playing out, especially to steal the hype/glory that Jeja earned.
Talking about melee, funny enough, kirby's d-air in melee, while it takes forever to come out (18 frames), it keeps the same property as it did in S64, and spikes on every frame of the move, making it so funny to use 'cause it send you straight down like nothing. Still, the knockback can be stopped by jumping or inputting up-b, but bettter hope you ain't right below him...
Another reason Kirby-Kazuya is decent for Kirby is because Kirby is smol. When he copies Kazuya's Neutral-B, Kazuya will not be able to camp near as effectively. He will not hit Kirby (most of the time) while Kirby can hit him.
I worked media at Afterburner, the event JeJa won, and in an interview with him he said “Lowkey, I think that man is gonna win this whole event.” referring to Onin who was sitting next to him at the time. It was great to later see him win 😂
cant believe one of my favorite youtubers/commentators forgot to mention kirby’s up tilt in his moveset jokes aside, it’s a great video and I’m glad you’re still here making awesome videos
as a KY player i popped OFF hearing Wildz mentioned, hes legit so good, mad respect to Jejajeja for pulling that off against a genuinely amazing Kazuya
Im one of guilhewws closest friends and grind with him a fuckton and I can tell you that both him and kirby are some of the most underrated in ultimate
i absolutely enjoy this type of content and please do make more of it i will inhale whatever or whoever i must to get a video like this for pichu or ganondorf
So something I'm surprised wasn't mentioned at all in terms of Ultimate Kirby is that there was one huge upset Kirby made pre-lockdown, and that's Jesuischoq's Kirby taking down Glutonny. Obviously compared to the results these two have JSQ wasn't able to keep up that same level after that upset and kind of fell off the map pretty soon after, but I feel like it was worth a mention.
I watched all the way to the end of the video, This video was really awesome ! as someone who primarily follows competitive splatoon, with not alot ot attention to smash, but as a kirby believer, this video was amazing nice work
Fun fact, I had the privilege to cast the set at 13:48 between JeJa and Jared. Cascadia Clash 2023 was a super fun event, and I'm happy to have gone, but what I need y'all to understand if you never saw that tournament is that he placed 2nd at that tournament, making it to Grand Finals on Winner's side. He only lost to two players in the entire event: Mr. E in Grands and Grands Reset, and Major in Pools. Major, the Ganondorf player. Cascadia was a weird ass tournament.
A good thing to remember about ultimate tier lists is unlike other smash title especially melee or 64 There are so many characters and archetypes that even bottom tiers have plenty of winning matchups
Jejajeja didn’t use up tilt dair loops previously because it is way too hard on any of the other characters he faced. It only works consistently on a handful of characters, after all.
Hey Walt, I really enjoy your videos: analysis is insightful, and you bring a lot of good light to the community. That being said, I have a request that you're of course free to ignore. Can you use cleaner language? I coach elementary and jr. high e sports teams where the focus is SSBU. I have typically shown your videos for tournament recaps but more and more lately I can't show the videos as content has to be PG. Again, it's your videos, and you have creative freedom. However, I believe this change could help you be included by a wider audience without cutting back on content quality at all. Thank you, keep doing what you do.
Do you plan to make a sephiroth related video in this format, like for example a video explaining how bad he is despite his dlc privelages and long range, I feel alot talk about the low tier king ganon but never talk about the low tier dlc sephiroth
Not too surprising. Doc-kirby is a ridiculously volatile matchup. Doc can blow up kirby in like 2 interactions and something about his air physics means kirby's usual bread and butter combos just... don't work. As a kirby main, I'm more afraid of a high level doc than almost any other character
@@arandomperson12345volatile matchups are always super fun, i remember me and my brother's dk-jigglypuff matches on smash 3ds becoming its own "version" of the game for us.
@@arandomperson12345What combos are you doing bro lol. I agree that fighting Doc is scarier than Mario, but it's still a pretty even mu. I suggest getting the pills to help in neutral.
@@djdrizzy9139 Note that I didn't say it was a *bad* matchup, just an extremely volatile one! You can win it, but you have to play carefully and not over-extend. As for combos, I'm talking about kirby's low % grab combos specifically. IIRC, the only characters with worse follow-ups from 0% are Diddy and Pichu, because the only true combo from a Forward throw is Nair. You can connect an instant turnaround Bair to that, but that's pretty much it, and the timing is nearly frame perfect. With most other characters, with proper execution, you can get 60-70% by following up with Fair to a second grab, but Mario's physics and quick frame options make that unviable. And yeah, definitely agree that the MU is pushed in Kirby's favor with pills. One of those matchups where I'm always looking for an inhale, to abuse it mercilessly. That move was NOT balance for a character with 5 jumps...
Jejajeja is one of my favorite players! Brothers gameplay is explosive. He gets absolutely bodied in game one, then seems to have a complete download of his opponent and *dominates* them game 2 and 3. seriously, if you haven't seen jejajeja in a tournament go look him up right now!
Ah, yes. My main. Picked him up in Sm4sh after I realized there was a stereotype for Kirby players where they would just mash d-special and I wanted to play him the right way. Fun character.
i always thought that kirby shouldn't be a d-tier, his tilts and aereals are way too good, people also see his special moves as bad when they have a lot of potential, lastly, his floaty beign gives him the footstool almost every time. i would say that he goes to the top of c or the bottom of b tier at least (yes, im a kirby main, and i made my own strange combo with kirby's down b)
As a Kirby main myself with many of these same strategies, it's nice to know great minds think alike. Kirby's a combo fiend, and my favorite part of playing him is using his abilities to even the playing field. Especially mimicking the opponent's neutral specials!
Back when I played a lot I mained Kirby and Daisy, and I have always loved playing as Kirby but I never believed in the little lad. Hopefully, this video can change my mind, lol Edit: I guess to briefly include my history I have always mained Kirby and a Second Character in every smash game. This even goes for Melee where I eventually succumbed to temptation and picked up Fox. 2nd Edit: I need to start watching Smash Tournaments again, these Kirby player's are kind of awesome.
Maybe they ranked characters based on their punish games, which Ness has a really good one. But Ness also has a terrible recovery in a game where one hit equals offstage.
I know kirby is super good because I play him. It’s insane how good the character’s ‘garbage’ moves became incredible in ult. Without air dodging hammer and stone become legit threatening at ledge. Charge hammer is an incredible aerial. It’s really not being able to air dodge away from all of Kirby’s stuff that turns it into a frame trap monster
I like Kirby in Smash Ultimate because he's quick, well-rounded, and has a good recovery. This allows me to observe the enemy's behaviors, assisting greatly in forming counter-strategies to dodge their attacks and keep putting the pressure on them.
No no, Smashigami HAS to be a thing now. We go back and find every character matchup in every major's Grand Finals and find what combinations have and have not happened before
i got jumpscared by a player in my state (dany) showing up in the vid tbh. i forget he's better than everyone else in this state LOL. i remember getting my ass beat by him way back when he played incin.
as a Kirby main since 64, who is nowhere near the competitive scene and doesn't really like camping because I'm playing for fun, I'd love a guilheww video, because it *is* more fun to win.
Man, maybe I should start playing Smash again. Kirby is the only character I play as besides Dedede for when I’m tired of being picked on by the other fighters. Also I sure don’t feel like Kirby is Sakurai’s favorite character when I’m playing as him.
I love Kirby. His issues are so obvious but his normals are so satisfying to just smack people with. I just wish he had functional specials. Hammer is unnecessary in every single way. He already has a "strong powerful ungabunga" move in his smash attacks which are some of the strongest attacks in the game.
Sakurai needs to stop holding back my boy. Kirby deserves better. Half of his moveset is basically so situational that it’s useless. If Kirby had actually good specials, math he could be better than low tier. I hope a smash reboot gives Kirby good specials, and maybe more rep of his abilities that could lead to more range and such. Not downplaying the results these players have brought, they’ve done some amazing things with their limited character
Ultimate Kirby is mid tier imo, but regardless, he's so... lifeless. Yes I want him to be top tier, but more than that, I want him to feel like his game conterpart. He is arbitrarily limited compared to his game abilities! This is why I desperately want a Smash reboot; it's time to do Kirby justice.
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watched you years back and always hoped your kirby won an event like this, love to see it happen ❤️❤️
Pro tip against jeja: he just runs up and shields like a f o o l. Easy grabs l o l
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Congrats on gaming! 🎮
Walt using any excuse possible to put the Hbox screaming clip in.
It’s just canon at this point
😂
I can’t get enough of it
"the hbox screaming clip" do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down
22:22 Kirby was about to murder Kazuya so badly after that shield break that the stream had to censor itself.
personally I think Wildz is a little bitch for quitting out like that. Anyone who quits without the game playing out, especially to steal the hype/glory that Jeja earned.
That final image of kazuya just chillin while kirby pulls that hammer back a few counties is brutal
While the up tilt is certainly hilarious, I can't believe that you didn't mention that in S64 Kirby's D-Air is a spike on nearly every goddamn frame.
Oh, you mean up tilt?
@@turndownforULTnono he means [UP TILT]
@@turndownforULTit true combos into Uptilt for a true shield break… Uptilt is broken
Can’t believe you didn’t call the up-tilt down-air combo Kirby’s Dair ride as it should be known
Falco pillar combo
That's real good, I'm gonna start using that.
@@DreamcastSoupYTKirby came first, Falco copies kirbys ftilt in melee. It should be Kirby pillar combos*
@@servine1212 dude all forward tilts are basically the same thing in melee. Time constraints go brrr
2:21 really messed with my head for a moment. I was like, "HOW DID HE UP-TILT IN THE AIR?!"
Kirby activating their inner Steve.
I still don't get it, is it a smash 64 thing?
@@jorgemtzb9359 Walt superimposed an animation of the UTilt hitbox over the Nair that actually happened in-game :)
Thank you for highlighting Afterburner! Put my soul into running that event
We appreciate you ❤
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Kirby's down-air makes me feel like Melee Falco lol
Talking about melee, funny enough, kirby's d-air in melee, while it takes forever to come out (18 frames), it keeps the same property as it did in S64, and spikes on every frame of the move, making it so funny to use 'cause it send you straight down like nothing. Still, the knockback can be stopped by jumping or inputting up-b, but bettter hope you ain't right below him...
@@TeenGameTORG I didn't know Melee Kirby's d-air spiked lol. It's so weak XD Smash 4 and Ult. Kirby are my favorite characters to play, no lie!
@@mrm64nah it’s a meteor in melee. It not crazy strong but it’s not always the easiest to meteor cancel cause you can get hit by multiple hits of it
@TeenGameTORG it's a meteor not a spike but it makes for some hilarious interactions
2:06 The disappointment on the Pikachu player's face when facing the sheer power of Kirby 64 up tilt is really funny to me
Nice to see his niches being pushed and slowly rising out of the bottom tiers of the misfortunate like Doc and Plant.
Ye even Robin got some results thanks to Leaf lately
Sparg0 plant exists
Fun fact: Dr. Mario has reached losers finals of a major tournament
@@Mintininja_SSB That's nice, but I'm not convinced he's better then bottom 5.
as a plant main, I hope he gets massively buffed in smash 6 (can't believe there are almost that many)
That FD to gameplay transition when talking about grand finals was beaut
This is why I main this little cute and innocent poyo. So cute, so good, so.. poyo.
4:29
turndownforULT: Talks down about Kirby
Kirby: Doing a disrespectful combo
Another reason Kirby-Kazuya is decent for Kirby is because Kirby is smol. When he copies Kazuya's Neutral-B, Kazuya will not be able to camp near as effectively. He will not hit Kirby (most of the time) while Kirby can hit him.
I worked media at Afterburner, the event JeJa won, and in an interview with him he said “Lowkey, I think that man is gonna win this whole event.” referring to Onin who was sitting next to him at the time. It was great to later see him win 😂
cant believe one of my favorite youtubers/commentators forgot to mention kirby’s up tilt in his moveset
jokes aside, it’s a great video and I’m glad you’re still here making awesome videos
17:58 not sure how I never saw the Jon Bois inspiration in your videos before but it’s so clear now. Fantastic breakdown as usual
2:20 aight you got it, that made me laugh xdd
as a KY player i popped OFF hearing Wildz mentioned, hes legit so good, mad respect to Jejajeja for pulling that off against a genuinely amazing Kazuya
These 2 are the kirby players we all want to be
Im one of guilhewws closest friends and grind with him a fuckton and I can tell you that both him and kirby are some of the most underrated in ultimate
i absolutely enjoy this type of content and please do make more of it
i will inhale whatever or whoever i must to get a video like this for pichu or ganondorf
18:00 Walt I’d be so interested in a scorigami of smash video, figuring out every combo in grand finals
22:22 NAH NAH THAT WAS PERFECTLY CUT
Man as a fellow Kirby main whos fallen off of playing Ultimate , this was such a good vid and inspired me to play again.
I'd love a video about my main, Wii Fit Trainer. Such an unappreciated character
But he's just so fucking CUTE
So something I'm surprised wasn't mentioned at all in terms of Ultimate Kirby is that there was one huge upset Kirby made pre-lockdown, and that's Jesuischoq's Kirby taking down Glutonny.
Obviously compared to the results these two have JSQ wasn't able to keep up that same level after that upset and kind of fell off the map pretty soon after, but I feel like it was worth a mention.
I watched all the way to the end of the video, This video was really awesome ! as someone who primarily follows competitive splatoon, with not alot ot attention to smash, but as a kirby believer, this video was amazing
nice work
He makes really really good melee content
12:39 i think that would be interesting
Fun fact, I had the privilege to cast the set at 13:48 between JeJa and Jared.
Cascadia Clash 2023 was a super fun event, and I'm happy to have gone, but what I need y'all to understand if you never saw that tournament is that he placed 2nd at that tournament, making it to Grand Finals on Winner's side. He only lost to two players in the entire event: Mr. E in Grands and Grands Reset, and Major in Pools. Major, the Ganondorf player.
Cascadia was a weird ass tournament.
Letting you know in the comments that I would like to see a video about Guilheww’s Kirby.
A good thing to remember about ultimate tier lists is unlike other smash title especially melee or 64
There are so many characters and archetypes that even bottom tiers have plenty of winning matchups
4:16 oh yes. my favorite tier. Doc and Ganon.
Funny because doc has surpassed Kirby's peak multiple times in terms of results.
When kiwby landed with the up throw it was in sync with the chusic
i didn't even know walt HAD an ult channel but i'm grateful to have found it
The thumbnail aint Kirby thats a fall guy
2:21 how did KIRBY used up-tilt in the air?????
2:23 how tf did Kirby use up tilt midair? Did aerials just not exist?
That was editing
Hearing about a top player, let alone a low-tier user, from Oregon is awesome.
Jejajeja didn’t use up tilt dair loops previously because it is way too hard on any of the other characters he faced. It only works consistently on a handful of characters, after all.
Hey Walt, I really enjoy your videos: analysis is insightful, and you bring a lot of good light to the community.
That being said, I have a request that you're of course free to ignore. Can you use cleaner language? I coach elementary and jr. high e sports teams where the focus is SSBU. I have typically shown your videos for tournament recaps but more and more lately I can't show the videos as content has to be PG. Again, it's your videos, and you have creative freedom. However, I believe this change could help you be included by a wider audience without cutting back on content quality at all. Thank you, keep doing what you do.
Really appreciate you letting me know, will certainly make some adjustments for that for next time! Thanks so much for the comment!
@@turndownforULT Dude this is such an encouraging response. Thank you :)
tip: you can shield and/or dodge Kirby's rock and punish em afterwards
13:49 bottom left dude is TWEAKING
Do you plan to make a sephiroth related video in this format, like for example a video explaining how bad he is despite his dlc privelages and long range, I feel alot talk about the low tier king ganon but never talk about the low tier dlc sephiroth
Loving these vids fr
as someone who’s been the kirby in the kirby/kazuya matchup many times… everybody try this it feels like fighting Bruce Lee as a dandelion puff
AND UP TILT
Edit also friends a kirby main, and we both do competitive smash and hes really good at the game
I didn't know this channel existed!
Almost thought that Ally was about to be mentioned by name. I wonder what he’s been up to.
No fucking way, I’ve played against this dude with my doc and have won. Congrats to him.
Not too surprising. Doc-kirby is a ridiculously volatile matchup. Doc can blow up kirby in like 2 interactions and something about his air physics means kirby's usual bread and butter combos just... don't work. As a kirby main, I'm more afraid of a high level doc than almost any other character
@@arandomperson12345volatile matchups are always super fun, i remember me and my brother's dk-jigglypuff matches on smash 3ds becoming its own "version" of the game for us.
@@arandomperson12345What combos are you doing bro lol. I agree that fighting Doc is scarier than Mario, but it's still a pretty even mu. I suggest getting the pills to help in neutral.
@@djdrizzy9139 Note that I didn't say it was a *bad* matchup, just an extremely volatile one! You can win it, but you have to play carefully and not over-extend. As for combos, I'm talking about kirby's low % grab combos specifically. IIRC, the only characters with worse follow-ups from 0% are Diddy and Pichu, because the only true combo from a Forward throw is Nair. You can connect an instant turnaround Bair to that, but that's pretty much it, and the timing is nearly frame perfect. With most other characters, with proper execution, you can get 60-70% by following up with Fair to a second grab, but Mario's physics and quick frame options make that unviable.
And yeah, definitely agree that the MU is pushed in Kirby's favor with pills. One of those matchups where I'm always looking for an inhale, to abuse it mercilessly. That move was NOT balance for a character with 5 jumps...
"Most of you playing ultimate to this day weren't even alive"
I wasn't even alive when brawl came out
Are you 5 😭😭
Can you make a video about Shulk aka the top tier who isn't seen at all on top level?
Because the character isn't TOP tier?
@@user-be3qc7re9o Shulk has always been a top tier but he's very technical and difficult to utilize his Monado and other things.
@@eslamvszombies1713
He WAS a Top Tier, he's not Top Tier anymore.
I can't believe we now have a Poo Stomp moment in Ultimate and it's because of a frickin Kirby
Awesome video man 👏👏
Bro had one of the sickest tournament winners of all time!
"pays your taxes"
Jejajeja is one of my favorite players! Brothers gameplay is explosive. He gets absolutely bodied in game one, then seems to have a complete download of his opponent and *dominates* them game 2 and 3. seriously, if you haven't seen jejajeja in a tournament go look him up right now!
I never thought kirby was bad, I think even professional players (at least in NA) just throw out their thoughts with zero consideration
Cool video, nice production value, good work :) please change your channel description
Would love the guillieheieuee kirby video
A god back air up tilt
Ah, yes. My main. Picked him up in Sm4sh after I realized there was a stereotype for Kirby players where they would just mash d-special and I wanted to play him the right way.
Fun character.
Watching Jeja pull the hammer out after the shieldbreak kills me
Kirby is making waves??? LETS FUCKING GOOOO
I cannot believe how crazy JeJaJeJa skills is, as a kirby main I am speachless. JeJa is really amazing
finally someone that understands and ITS YOUUYY
How did you discuss S64 Kirby and never even mention up tilt, tho?
being ranked low in a fighting platformer game as a character where you can fly is insane
FINALLY I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS
i always thought that kirby shouldn't be a d-tier, his tilts and aereals are way too good, people also see his special moves as bad when they have a lot of potential, lastly, his floaty beign gives him the footstool almost every time. i would say that he goes to the top of c or the bottom of b tier at least (yes, im a kirby main, and i made my own strange combo with kirby's down b)
Kinda surprised you didn’t mention Guilheww’s Asimo win
As a Kirby main myself with many of these same strategies, it's nice to know great minds think alike.
Kirby's a combo fiend, and my favorite part of playing him is using his abilities to even the playing field. Especially mimicking the opponent's neutral specials!
Back when I played a lot I mained Kirby and Daisy, and I have always loved playing as Kirby but I never believed in the little lad. Hopefully, this video can change my mind, lol
Edit: I guess to briefly include my history I have always mained Kirby and a Second Character in every smash game. This even goes for Melee where I eventually succumbed to temptation and picked up Fox.
2nd Edit: I need to start watching Smash Tournaments again, these Kirby player's are kind of awesome.
2:26 Dude what happened to ness between 2008 and 2015 😭
Maybe they ranked characters based on their punish games, which Ness has a really good one. But Ness also has a terrible recovery in a game where one hit equals offstage.
Ness’s god awful recovery became too exploitable for him to be good.
another Video? Wow!
Kirby won an ult major?! Bruh that is insane.
I know kirby is super good because I play him. It’s insane how good the character’s ‘garbage’ moves became incredible in ult. Without air dodging hammer and stone become legit threatening at ledge. Charge hammer is an incredible aerial. It’s really not being able to air dodge away from all of Kirby’s stuff that turns it into a frame trap monster
I think you forgot to mention Kirby’s uptilt, one of his best moves
I like Kirby in Smash Ultimate because he's quick, well-rounded, and has a good recovery. This allows me to observe the enemy's behaviors, assisting greatly in forming counter-strategies to dodge their attacks and keep putting the pressure on them.
kirby aight , i main palu but kirby can be fun too, kirby downsmash at the ledge is broken
No no, Smashigami HAS to be a thing now. We go back and find every character matchup in every major's Grand Finals and find what combinations have and have not happened before
We are slow and have no range but if we manage to get near you, you are screwed mf - Kirby Mains
I feel justified for always going straight to Kirby when I out of nowhere play a smash game
hollup
at 4:12 Zelda is in the 100:0 tier but Shiek is a tier lower
What's up with that? Does Zelda have some absurd anti-kirby tech? lol
i got jumpscared by a player in my state (dany) showing up in the vid tbh. i forget he's better than everyone else in this state LOL. i remember getting my ass beat by him way back when he played incin.
I’m glad hbox found his pizza
Thanks for the influx of Kirby on elite. Appreciate that Walt 🥴
as a Kirby main since 64, who is nowhere near the competitive scene and doesn't really like camping because I'm playing for fun, I'd love a guilheww video, because it *is* more fun to win.
If only he healed off of projectiles quickly, and could snap to ledge like fucking cloud can
Man, maybe I should start playing Smash again. Kirby is the only character I play as besides Dedede for when I’m tired of being picked on by the other fighters. Also I sure don’t feel like Kirby is Sakurai’s favorite character when I’m playing as him.
I love Kirby. His issues are so obvious but his normals are so satisfying to just smack people with.
I just wish he had functional specials. Hammer is unnecessary in every single way. He already has a "strong powerful ungabunga" move in his smash attacks which are some of the strongest attacks in the game.
Now hear me out, rock is a good kill move
I would love to watch a Guilheww video. Great video again.
The ultimate content is fantastic
Bro's got JOKES
I always said Kirby has SAUCE! Let’s go, KIRBY!! :D
Masterhero soccerguy 😂
Twas Kirby that dropped Kazuya off the cliff. XD
Sakurai needs to stop holding back my boy. Kirby deserves better.
Half of his moveset is basically so situational that it’s useless. If Kirby had actually good specials, math he could be better than low tier. I hope a smash reboot gives Kirby good specials, and maybe more rep of his abilities that could lead to more range and such.
Not downplaying the results these players have brought, they’ve done some amazing things with their limited character
Well, maybe, if Nintendo weren't outright cowards, he could be better.
Ultimate Kirby is mid tier imo, but regardless, he's so... lifeless. Yes I want him to be top tier, but more than that, I want him to feel like his game conterpart. He is arbitrarily limited compared to his game abilities! This is why I desperately want a Smash reboot; it's time to do Kirby justice.
As a kirby main, I can say that down air is ridiculously good for comboing and edgeguarding