@@azure5644 destiny is a liberal streamer that was the first sort of debate guy that wasn’t an alt right chud, although he’s sort of had an anti left arc and spoke glowlingly about Kyle Rittenhouse
As an Irish American, I fully support Bernie Sanders. He's willing to speak unpolitically correct truths about real problems in our community. Irish Americans are all drunken brawlers, myself included.
I betcha we’re not anymore than any other ethnicity. Internalizing it is how social stigma works, too. Bernie was talking about the stigma, because of these negative stereotypes.
I'm from Ireland and the majority of people I know would have never heard of the site Irish central, plastic paddy bs. It's head quarters are based in New York and it's tailored for a far right American audience.
52:00 in middle school I had a friend who would literally find videos or whatever about common misconceptions and such and then come into school and say he wanted to debate me about like "explosions in space."
“There are a lot of leftists now on the platform [Twitch], like Destiny is one. . .” Man, that’s a pretty hilarious example “leftist” streamer to give in retrospect. Destiny was already a moderately progressive lib centrist back then, but he’s spent the last year, year and a half doing nothing but having leftists on to try to prove what a bad idea socialism is, while also being fairly open about the fact that he has never read any left-wing theory or research the topic seriously and refuses to do so... But he feels very, very strongly about it these days and everyone should listen to them, because he knows the contents of Econ 101 and has memorized lots of bromides about how free markets benefit everyone and it’s actually a net positive that we allow corporations to outsource to the Third World, and workers are too dumb to run things themselves. Lovely guy. It actually seems like he started spending all this time trying to humiliate the left because, as a lib, he got really upset that the following he developed debating the alt-right consisted of lots of actual leftists, and they would criticize his shit lib takes. Haha. It’s funny because about a month before his anti-leftist era was when I first discovered him, and I enjoyed going through all his old debates with the alt-right, because they indeed were interesting and he provided some good information... But as soon as I got up to all his “socialists are fucking idiots” stuff it was just like... Okay, he’s good at debating in favor of “racism is bad” or “Should people be charged with murder for getting an abortion...” Cool...That’s not a very high standard to rise to, and when the rubber meets the road, he is adamantly, vehemently anti-socialist and on the side of capital. I was curious about his debates on socialism, but it is literally so stupid and infuriating that I couldn’t put myself through more than maybe listening to 2/3 of 2 of them. Listening to people argue that aggressively and in that “facts over feelings” style on subjects they know nothing about... It literally does remind me of a clip I saw of Ben Shapiro when a college student responded to some of his criticisms of socialism by mentioning that not all socialists want state control of the economy or are authoritarian and asking him about what is his rebuttal to actual worker ownership. 10/10 self-certainty, 1/10 actual knowledge of the subject at hand. Not a good look... It’s embarrassing. It only makes me mad that so many liberals eat it up and that he can’t seem to see the way in which he is making common cause with people who do unbelievable harm... Dude is supposed to be a consequentialist IIRC and he still argues that all protectionist policies are fundamentally always bad... I mean I’m on the left-libertarian side of things- I’m not out here advocating statist policies anywhere it isn’t necessary... But anyone who understands the consequences of neoliberal trade policy in the developing world and the way this forced trade liberalization has literally been weaponized to prevent development and keep these countries exploitable, when the US (and almost all of the developed world) DID use protectionism to enable domestic industries to develop, would immediately see that this is literally nothing more than laissez-fairy propaganda. It’s literally on the level with “Anti-trust laws are authoritarianism and monopolies never form unless it’s the government’s fault.” These are just the same quality of right-wing talking points that he would call out and mock on any social issue.
Heretical Hershey Heretical Hershey What is it you take issue with? I am sure plenty of people will disagree if they like Destiny, & I wasn’t exactly trying not to be inflammatory, because it drives me crazy, but looking over the comment I can stand by everything I said. Haha.
Yeah Destiny is awful but I do think at least during that 2015-16 era he was very successful at de-radicalizing a lot of fascist young people. How many of them are insufferable libs now is unknowable. I’m sure that quite a few moved on to become socialists though. People drawn to “extreme” ideology are often the same kind of people most ripe for socialist radicalization.
I am 45m, I have played video games off and on for about 40 years, and I love single player games like (BOTW, TOTK, Elden Ring, Hitman, etc.). I don't have the time and energy to play and get good at multiplayer games. I definitely related to Will & Amber's perspective on videogames.
Hasan seemed pretty on the ball in the few times I heard him previously, but here he doesn't add anything and doesn't sound bright at all. Cenk is a capitalist piece of shit, thanks for pointing out who this guy is.
If I accept the premise that life begins at conception, then can the right address questions about how limiting access to abortion will negatively impact society?
@@ThatCamel104 : Women have been performing abortions long since before the modern procedure. This usually involved manually destroying the fetus or ingesting poison. Making abortion illegal does not stop it from happening, and it might make people resort to measures which are much more harmful to them.
No they need to address how limiting the access to birth control negatively affects society. And they also have to admit they don't give a shit about the life of a child.
yo, at like 1:18:00 have to say, I actually went to my 5th grade teacher's wedding. She was originally our 4th grade teacher, but she transferred up the same year we did, so a lot of us just kept her as a teacher for 2 years. At the end of it, she invited the class to her wedding. Looking back on it, it was a little bit strange, but it is something that happens
@@Tychoxi they're in the same clade (Glires). Lagomorphs (rabbits and hares etc) are more closely related to rodents than they are to any other group, but they're still distinct, and shouldn't be confused. They have several distinguishing features.
Rodentia does not include rabbits; rabbits differ from rodents in having an extra pair of incisors and in other skeletal features. Rabbits, hares, and a few other species make up the Lagomorpha. Shrews, moles and hedgehogs are also not rodents; they are classified in the Mammal order Eulipotyphla.
All the aircraft carriers in service at this time are nuclear powered. A more practical idea is to moor them offshore and run a cable from the reactor to the local power grid. Would be very useful in areas hit by natural disasters. But then you're carrying around all these worthless aircraft, munitions, radar systems, and the people to run them. A better idea: the US turns its military shipyards and their naval reactor builder to the task of making nuclear powered generator ships, like the Russians are doing with their RITM 200 reactor and the Akademik Lomonosov. They would improve more lives than the military has ever done.
i can’t help but to think that, if the left would step back from embracing abortion to the point of celebrating it and acting like the act of abortion is, itself, a moral and virtuous thing, then the right might not be so hell bent on trying to criminalize it. most of us can acknowledge that abortion a necessary “evil” for a successful and prosperous society. but we aren’t willing to concede the morality of it. find common ground and maybe everyone can win.
Counterpoint: no. The right would be hellbent on doing it no matter what we do, unless we agree with them that women who abort or the doctors who provide abortions should be fined or sued for large amounts of money that they can't pay, and then they'd just retreat even further to the right and start burning women who abort at the stake. This is because it's just a culture war issue at this point with very few good faith celebrities/politicians on the right who genuinely believe this shit, it's just what their voters froth at the mouth for because it triggers the libs or because they subscribe to some antiquated religious beliefs out of wanting to appear moral while still being utterly selfish morons. If you can find a serious leftist who "celebrates" abortion then I'll eat my shoe. Every serious leftist acknowledges that "abortion is a necessary evil for a successful and prosperous society but aren't willing to concede the morality of it". Everybody else is either making their own special little ideology on their Twitch/RUclips channels with 43 subscribers, or they're doing a bit that isn't actually serious (e.g. that there should be an abortion center on every street corner or something) in order to provoke a reaction or try to make an obvious joke about "this is what conservatives believe that we believe". Generally speaking, do not compromise with people who have never expressed interest in compromising with you. If you do this, then you get what we currently have: a Republican party who is one of the most right-wing parties on the planet that actually have a large national following, on the brink of whatever fascism looks like in the modern day, who have never compromised unless they were absolutely forced to; with the Democrat party closely following them like a dog on a leash towards apocalypse, who will fecklessly compromise even if they have full control of every lever of power (e.g. early Obama years). Stand your ground on these issues or your worldview will be washed down by needless "compromise" and "nuance" from red to a grayish beige and then nothing good will continue to happen.
Or the way she kinda tucked the disastrous, horrific anti-human rights abortion bill under the rug. You know things are messed up when Hasan is a better feminist than the one woman on a socialist podcast...
@@joshuamarx8209 I don't disagree, but I do disagree that socialized medicine is the only way to tackle abortion, in large part because I think the only way we'll convince the voting bloc in the US to support universal healthcare is by requiring that abortions cannot be state funded. I of course fundamentally disagree, but the evangelicals are too numerous and are arguably the largest voter bloc in the country.
@@warmlycalculated390 they're not that big of a bloc any more.. Gerrymandering, electoral college and ballot box stuffing are the only reason reactionaries win elections in this day and age...
@@joshuamarx8209 Don't forget voter suppression and racist voter ID laws (where they literally kicked off voters in Georgia be because they had "black sounding" namesl! Gotta hand it to the repubs, at least they know how to wield power, especially compared to the utterly toothless Democratic party.
I'm sure wannabe Fabio will be able to stop staring in the mirror long enough to be on the front lines of the violent revolution he always calls for, lol
Yeah that's not going to happen.. A.) Debates are for nerds. B.)We're your enemies, and C.) are most certainly not here to perform for reactionary morons.
"theres also destiny. i swear he's not a chud. he's cool." this is a narrative technique called Foreshadowing.
Yup
What happened?
What happened?
@@azure5644 turns out they both suck
@@azure5644 destiny is a liberal streamer that was the first sort of debate guy that wasn’t an alt right chud, although he’s sort of had an anti left arc and spoke glowlingly about Kyle Rittenhouse
Just noticed that in the cool animated background, death isn't smoking a joint, it's a Juul.
zjc92 its a nice touch
Or the hot couch reference
@@Breakbeat90s Oh SHIT I didn't even think of that. Brilliant.
epic
that’s disappointing
As an Irish American, I fully support Bernie Sanders. He's willing to speak unpolitically correct truths about real problems in our community. Irish Americans are all drunken brawlers, myself included.
No we aren't.
I betcha we’re not anymore than any other ethnicity. Internalizing it is how social stigma works, too. Bernie was talking about the stigma, because of these negative stereotypes.
I got the joke, @ Pepe o7
I'm from Ireland and the majority of people I know would have never heard of the site Irish central, plastic paddy bs. It's head quarters are based in New York and it's tailored for a far right American audience.
52:00 in middle school I had a friend who would literally find videos or whatever about common misconceptions and such and then come into school and say he wanted to debate me about like "explosions in space."
I like the new background
It's quite inaccurate though; where the fuck is the Fleshlight?
The background animation in this episode is great
“There are a lot of leftists now on the platform [Twitch], like Destiny is one. . .” Man, that’s a pretty hilarious example “leftist” streamer to give in retrospect. Destiny was already a moderately progressive lib centrist back then, but he’s spent the last year, year and a half doing nothing but having leftists on to try to prove what a bad idea socialism is, while also being fairly open about the fact that he has never read any left-wing theory or research the topic seriously and refuses to do so... But he feels very, very strongly about it these days and everyone should listen to them, because he knows the contents of Econ 101 and has memorized lots of bromides about how free markets benefit everyone and it’s actually a net positive that we allow corporations to outsource to the Third World, and workers are too dumb to run things themselves. Lovely guy.
It actually seems like he started spending all this time trying to humiliate the left because, as a lib, he got really upset that the following he developed debating the alt-right consisted of lots of actual leftists, and they would criticize his shit lib takes. Haha. It’s funny because about a month before his anti-leftist era was when I first discovered him, and I enjoyed going through all his old debates with the alt-right, because they indeed were interesting and he provided some good information... But as soon as I got up to all his “socialists are fucking idiots” stuff it was just like... Okay, he’s good at debating in favor of “racism is bad” or “Should people be charged with murder for getting an abortion...” Cool...That’s not a very high standard to rise to, and when the rubber meets the road, he is adamantly, vehemently anti-socialist and on the side of capital. I was curious about his debates on socialism, but it is literally so stupid and infuriating that I couldn’t put myself through more than maybe listening to 2/3 of 2 of them. Listening to people argue that aggressively and in that “facts over feelings” style on subjects they know nothing about... It literally does remind me of a clip I saw of Ben Shapiro when a college student responded to some of his criticisms of socialism by mentioning that not all socialists want state control of the economy or are authoritarian and asking him about what is his rebuttal to actual worker ownership. 10/10 self-certainty, 1/10 actual knowledge of the subject at hand. Not a good look... It’s embarrassing. It only makes me mad that so many liberals eat it up and that he can’t seem to see the way in which he is making common cause with people who do unbelievable harm... Dude is supposed to be a consequentialist IIRC and he still argues that all protectionist policies are fundamentally always bad... I mean I’m on the left-libertarian side of things- I’m not out here advocating statist policies anywhere it isn’t necessary... But anyone who understands the consequences of neoliberal trade policy in the developing world and the way this forced trade liberalization has literally been weaponized to prevent development and keep these countries exploitable, when the US (and almost all of the developed world) DID use protectionism to enable domestic industries to develop, would immediately see that this is literally nothing more than laissez-fairy propaganda. It’s literally on the level with “Anti-trust laws are authoritarianism and monopolies never form unless it’s the government’s fault.” These are just the same quality of right-wing talking points that he would call out and mock on any social issue.
Dude you were fine after the first paragraph, Jesus.
Heretical Hershey Heretical Hershey What is it you take issue with? I am sure plenty of people will disagree if they like Destiny, & I wasn’t exactly trying not to be inflammatory, because it drives me crazy, but looking over the comment I can stand by everything I said. Haha.
@@SomethingImpromptu It was just too long
Heretical Hershey Oh okay. Then don’t read it haha. Easy to get carried away when your virtual pen is guided by the invisible hand of ADD meds.
Yeah Destiny is awful but I do think at least during that 2015-16 era he was very successful at de-radicalizing a lot of fascist young people. How many of them are insufferable libs now is unknowable. I’m sure that quite a few moved on to become socialists though. People drawn to “extreme” ideology are often the same kind of people most ripe for socialist radicalization.
"... awful meatspace that they don't get to edit"
Best sentence I have heard in a long time.
glad to hear you guys talking about Jim sterling. listening to him is what turned me into a socialist.
Badhoplite comrade jim go on chapo
Ironically it was reading some random “When you going on Chapo Jim(Steph)” comment that turned me on to these guys.
He knows what he’s doing.
I am 45m, I have played video games off and on for about 40 years, and I love single player games like (BOTW, TOTK, Elden Ring, Hitman, etc.). I don't have the time and energy to play and get good at multiplayer games. I definitely related to Will & Amber's perspective on videogames.
"that's what Japan is, a horrifying onion of context"
I can't believe Chapo was here in LA and I missed them. FML.
So glad they had Cenks nephew on
@naliuj if I am not mistaken nepotism literally comes from the ancient Greek word for nephew
@@s.ormgamalson6489 Im pretty sure Hasan mentioned that he himself is is Half Greek Half Turk
Hasan seemed pretty on the ball in the few times I heard him previously, but here he doesn't add anything and doesn't sound bright at all. Cenk is a capitalist piece of shit, thanks for pointing out who this guy is.
@@s.ormgamalson6489 That's why it's only nepotism when your nephew is the family member who benefits. Everyone else is exempt from nepotism.
hasans a straight up lib though
If I accept the premise that life begins at conception, then can the right address questions about how limiting access to abortion will negatively impact society?
How will it negatively impact society?
@@ThatCamel104 : Women have been performing abortions long since before the modern procedure. This usually involved manually destroying the fetus or ingesting poison. Making abortion illegal does not stop it from happening, and it might make people resort to measures which are much more harmful to them.
@@cap4526 Fair enough. Thanks.
No they need to address how limiting the access to birth control negatively affects society. And they also have to admit they don't give a shit about the life of a child.
yo, at like 1:18:00 have to say, I actually went to my 5th grade teacher's wedding. She was originally our 4th grade teacher, but she transferred up the same year we did, so a lot of us just kept her as a teacher for 2 years. At the end of it, she invited the class to her wedding. Looking back on it, it was a little bit strange, but it is something that happens
I am 45m, I listen to RUclips (including left leaning politics) while I work. Don't assume we are all boomers here!
Shows with only the Felix handlers are not as good. Still good tho.
"Every sperm is sacred" -monty python...
Listening to chapo discuss gachi warms my heart
Someone's scuffed the yacht from the end of Taken LOL
24:26
Rabbits are not rodents, Will.
eh they are sister clades
@@Tychoxi they're in the same clade (Glires). Lagomorphs (rabbits and hares etc) are more closely related to rodents than they are to any other group, but they're still distinct, and shouldn't be confused. They have several distinguishing features.
Rodentia does not include rabbits; rabbits differ from rodents in having an extra pair of incisors and in other skeletal features. Rabbits, hares, and a few other species make up the Lagomorpha. Shrews, moles and hedgehogs are also not rodents; they are classified in the Mammal order Eulipotyphla.
Child. Sibling. Savior
We Irish remember the great hunger and the quotas, we aint repugs.
Truth!
LOL "so chill I can barely move" nice haha
Hasan complimenting destiny Ah good times
Ahhhh yes, the good ole days.
38:00
Reminder that some of the carriers are nuclear powered iirc
All the aircraft carriers in service at this time are nuclear powered. A more practical idea is to moor them offshore and run a cable from the reactor to the local power grid. Would be very useful in areas hit by natural disasters. But then you're carrying around all these worthless aircraft, munitions, radar systems, and the people to run them.
A better idea: the US turns its military shipyards and their naval reactor builder to the task of making nuclear powered generator ships, like the Russians are doing with their RITM 200 reactor and the Akademik Lomonosov. They would improve more lives than the military has ever done.
Interesting listening to this after the overturning of Roe vs Wade
Hasan was right about it potentially backfiring on Republicans
social simulacrum, mediated reality. you guys nailed it. I worry for these kids!
Look up pics of McShane on his 80s show Lovejoy for the mullet experience of a lifetime.
tesseract brain LOL
59:00 is Matt 55?
What and awkward conversation in summer of 2022
Get the mics straight, just keep your head near it
Holy fuck a Venture Bros. drop!
Bring back Venture Bros. Adult Swim. You fucking gave us squidbillies and Aqua Team, make actual art ffs
The Avengers of the Dirtbag left, assemble! 👊
Oohhh - me likey. me likey a lot.
OIh shit the Comet pizza box is a fantastic touch.
Omg Matt was 420 Blaze it!!!
I’m really hoping Iran has nukes hidden somewhere, like just please take us all already.
Wires on the Controller - Must be PS2 - Eather that guy is a retro gamer or he can't afford Next Gen consoles
We game shaming now up in here??(just kidding) My Playstations and my original Nintendo are plugged up in my bedroom ready to play 🤣
Kinda look like Xbox controllers though.
i thought all young people were poor?
Its for playing MGS2 on European Extreme difficulty
They still sell wired controllers lol
Rabbits are Lagomorphs.
Fucking DJ Smokey eh!
you're wrong about the irish
11:44 Ross who? Tried looking him up but I can't spell for shit
Ireland legalized abortion
And Mississippi won the race
Garland gudger? Gudger College?
Gudger College? I'm like 65% certain that was my alma mater?
Shay Shellnut.
Poo poo piker PepeLaugh
Bernie was in support of Yugoslavia though; ya dun fucked up. 18:08
Long live the fundamental principles of Parenti Thought.
Also, I can't believe Arthur is getting the pickaxe.
"twitch star" PepeLaugh oh no no no
facts
This episode was not that good. Like, did they really need to discuss fucking Fortnight?
Fortnite*
i can’t help but to think that, if the left would step back from embracing abortion to the point of celebrating it and acting like the act of abortion is, itself, a moral and virtuous thing, then the right might not be so hell bent on trying to criminalize it. most of us can acknowledge that abortion a necessary “evil” for a successful and prosperous society. but we aren’t willing to concede the morality of it. find common ground and maybe everyone can win.
Counterpoint: no.
The right would be hellbent on doing it no matter what we do, unless we agree with them that women who abort or the doctors who provide abortions should be fined or sued for large amounts of money that they can't pay, and then they'd just retreat even further to the right and start burning women who abort at the stake. This is because it's just a culture war issue at this point with very few good faith celebrities/politicians on the right who genuinely believe this shit, it's just what their voters froth at the mouth for because it triggers the libs or because they subscribe to some antiquated religious beliefs out of wanting to appear moral while still being utterly selfish morons.
If you can find a serious leftist who "celebrates" abortion then I'll eat my shoe. Every serious leftist acknowledges that "abortion is a necessary evil for a successful and prosperous society but aren't willing to concede the morality of it". Everybody else is either making their own special little ideology on their Twitch/RUclips channels with 43 subscribers, or they're doing a bit that isn't actually serious (e.g. that there should be an abortion center on every street corner or something) in order to provoke a reaction or try to make an obvious joke about "this is what conservatives believe that we believe".
Generally speaking, do not compromise with people who have never expressed interest in compromising with you. If you do this, then you get what we currently have: a Republican party who is one of the most right-wing parties on the planet that actually have a large national following, on the brink of whatever fascism looks like in the modern day, who have never compromised unless they were absolutely forced to; with the Democrat party closely following them like a dog on a leash towards apocalypse, who will fecklessly compromise even if they have full control of every lever of power (e.g. early Obama years). Stand your ground on these issues or your worldview will be washed down by needless "compromise" and "nuance" from red to a grayish beige and then nothing good will continue to happen.
Is amber an antisemite? Not like an alt righter but like a Corbyn-style strong Israel critic
That's not anti-Semitism.
Yeah, that's not antisemitism. That's being critical of Israel. Two totally different things.
Yea but it’s funny to say that
@@DaveFromVh1 no it's not
Amber sucked with all that over talk and interrupting.
Or the way she kinda tucked the disastrous, horrific anti-human rights abortion bill under the rug. You know things are messed up when Hasan is a better feminist than the one woman on a socialist podcast...
@@warmlycalculated390 in fairness, Roe v Wade is a joke, and Planned Parent hood is too however..
@@joshuamarx8209 I don't disagree, but I do disagree that socialized medicine is the only way to tackle abortion, in large part because I think the only way we'll convince the voting bloc in the US to support universal healthcare is by requiring that abortions cannot be state funded. I of course fundamentally disagree, but the evangelicals are too numerous and are arguably the largest voter bloc in the country.
@@warmlycalculated390 they're not that big of a bloc any more.. Gerrymandering, electoral college and ballot box stuffing are the only reason reactionaries win elections in this day and age...
@@joshuamarx8209 Don't forget voter suppression and racist voter ID laws (where they literally kicked off voters in Georgia be because they had "black sounding" namesl! Gotta hand it to the repubs, at least they know how to wield power, especially compared to the utterly toothless Democratic party.
I'm sure wannabe Fabio will be able to stop staring in the mirror long enough to be on the front lines of the violent revolution he always calls for, lol
Trying to break a world record for the largest amount of lies in the fewest number of words?
Warmly Calculated hahahahahahahaha, thats a good one.
@@gretasstolendreams2154 Fabio is known for his flowing locks, hot people don't stare at themselves, Hasan is not a tankie and opposes violence.
Is Hasan another rich kid playing left when he's young
Nope
i wonder if you guys can argue against conservative voices (who aren’t even there to defend their view) without the stupid ad homs? 🤔
You mean their doing the same thing that right wingers do🤔
Yeah that's not going to happen.. A.) Debates are for nerds. B.)We're your enemies, and C.) are most certainly not here to perform for reactionary morons.
Debate with rightoids is pointless. You guys never argue in good faith, and your ideas are too stupid to bother with anyway.
Damn important questions from the American flag profile pic