That's super cool! Yes, M2 or M3 feel snappier opening apps in everyday use, and they are faster in general, but as an audio work horse this Mac allows you to keep your current workflow for many years to come (and that's exacly why it exists, Apple had to launch it right before Apple silicon for that reason). No need to change your entire setup, no need to use external drives for everything, and honestly, it's a safer computer if something breaks. You can buy and replace SSD, RAM or GPU in just a few hours instead of having to send the entire machine to Apple for weeks. Can't wait to see more content about it!
We have to keep the 5,1 around due can run old 32bit app and games. 7,1 and later can’t go back in time since it’s pure 64 only. Mac game store stated on games must use Rosetta 2 to play
I will be keeping and loving my 5,1 as well. Can't beat a machine that can run like 13~16 different MacOS versions and well at that! But I bought a 2019 to replace my 2013 as my daily driver.
You are gonna love this machine. I transitioned from a 5,1 to a 7,1 two to three months ago. I bought it for like $2300 from a studio that closed - was like 3 months old. Upgraded the RAM, CPU (24-core), NVMe array, USB-C, USB etc etc - was well worth it. The hard part was getting a CPU for this machine - they are very hard to come by. You will see though with the graphics card that it needs to be a specific size. I picked one up on eBay. Only specific cards will fit this thing. I got a Dell Alienware AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB GDDR6 card which fits this thing. It is lightning fast - you won't look back once you get everything moved!
@@MacSoundSolutions that's right - those I think were "designed" to fit those machines. I really hope that someone finds a way to "hack" these 7,1s to provide support for AMD's 7 Series GC's - it's really annoying that Apple just won't do it. What's even weirder is that Apple is in talks with Nvidia so maybe we'll see support for their cards in the future? The 7.1 is such an amazing machine - it's a total bummer they turned into the M2 dud that it is - empty box with no magic... thanks Apple. I love my 5,1 but it was starting to show its age - it was lagging on basic tasks - this thing is fast as hell especially if you build an NVMe array inside - oh man - 12-16K RPMs.
logged in to apple apple site to check existing warranty, and uploaded my eBay purchase receipt and added my serial number to it. Then booked a call and they called me, also found out mine was manufactured in June 2022
Suoer cool man. I have been in contact with this seller a few times in the last 24 hrs ironically. Then this video showed up on my living room TV Wow! They are still selling ~ Peace
Let’s go! What an upgrade I bet that’ll be But I’m sure impressed with the 5,1 for lasting so long! Mine still feels like a two year old computer not a 14 year old one.
Congratulations! That’s a wise choice. There is no joy factor when you can’t tinker. My m2 iPad Pro can edit far better than my 5,1, but it’s joyless. 7,1 is going to be better all around.
For this price? This was a no brainer. And I totally agree with you regarding the new Mac Studio. Until then, pushing the limits out of my Mac Pro 5,1. Congratulations Lance, enjoy. Looking forward to watching the next videos!!! Cheers!!!
Great buy and score Lance! Good luck with it and enjoy your new Mac Pro!!! If I had only known about this deal. I brought my 7,1 Mac Pro in 2021 for 4k for the base model. But I’ve done a lot of upgrades. A new 28 core cpu NVME’s and many more. This is exactly why I got the Mac Pro, expansion! You can’t do any internal upgrades on any Apple Silicon. 🤬 I still have more upgrades to do in the future. With 8 slots you have almost unlimited options.
Congratulations Lance. I saw your FB post when you bought. I checked out the deal myself and tried to justify, but I couldn't. I guess, I will have to live with my 5,1 maxed out, a M1 Mac Studio, and my Dell Precision 2x10 core Xeon workstation. Have fun with your new computer.
Holy Smokes Lance!..I just opened your profile and saw all the artists you,ve worked with wow!..Thats really impressive lance!.I just got a Paradigm cc 200 centre channel for my Denon home theatre,that goes with the 6.1..the 2667 ghz 3.3 is so fast
I picked one of these up based on your post in one of the FB groups. Will be watching your future videos as you upgrade the machine over time. Was watching their eBay listing and looks this seller sold over 90-ish to date! Now seeing CPU upgrades for this machine selling out on eBay.
I have one too, Lance. (16core/384ram/2tb/8tbsata) loads of expandability and i migrated my catalina ssd from my 5,1 and upgraded to Monterey. my recommendation. tinkering heaven !
Have you guys heard about the massive security issue with the m processors. It is probably for the best to stick with the Intel processor for a while longer anyways.
That sounds awesome. I am tempted to do the same thing. But can you upgrade the SSDs in these with 3rd party drives? Any other major limitations you are aware of?
@@MacSoundSolutions I heard that you need an Apple SSD no matter what, but if I understand what you are saying, you can also boot to 3rd party PCIe based in any of MacOS, Windows or Linux? If not that is a major limitation. Thanks
@@shiningprinceyes you can, you have to boot into recovery mode and set security to be able to boot off other system or external drives then you can boot off pcie drives, I’m actually booting off windows 11 via the internal USB port
Awesome everything should work in your computer except for maybe that windows 11 if you haven’t tried it yet if was bios. My 5,1 bios drive is still in my Mac Pro 7,1 unbootable. I thought I’d make a video about converting it but haven’t.
11 works and shows up in the system prefs start up disk, I have to hold option to boot back into Mac OS after booting into windows so need a wired keyboard. With opencore you can just select which disk you want to boot into via the OC boot loader on my 5,1.
@@MacSoundSolutions Oh nice, so it was EFI install since OpenCore compatible. ProTip, using the lightning cable makes the wireless keyboard work like a wired keyboard, I have a long lightning cable that I have mostly for that purpose.
@dmug Yes figured that one out early as I have a magic track pad and it works while plugged in. I did find out to boot off external systems you need to boot into recovery mode and select allow to boot off other drives, something like that, it would not boot off windows without enabling that, and yeah Windows 11 is a UEFI install via rufus with TPM disabled. Runs great, getting about 20fps faster in the same games with the new Mac and rx6800xt. Pretty sure it’s the GPU as I can see the Mac pros fans monitored in iStat and they are not revving up.
@@MacSoundSolutions I’m about to upload a vid comparing the Mac Pro 5,1 vs 7,1 with a 6600 XT, the games tested, not a lot of difference which is expected as targeting visual fidelity over frame rate.
@@dmug Nice... I have an odd thing going on with my 6800xt as the fans spin up and down every 10 minutes or so to a pretty loud level. It doesn't do it in windows till I start a game then fans are very loud, but back to the Mac even when not doing much the GPU fans kick up then back down. It did it in my 5,1 and possible started after one of the Monterey updates, and now in the 7,1 but it is running the same system as my 5,1 as I migrated all my data. Any thoughts? There might be an app that is causing it or the OS not sure. There is no way to monitor temps, or fan speeds of the GPU.
Congrats!! The last upgradable Mac Pro. That intel processor can be swapped as well. 2019 should be around for a while Apple has been slower about retiring pro pcs because it’s not something that gets upgraded by its user base often.
Awesome! I just bought a Mac Studio after running my 5,1 since last decade. Got it on Tuesday. Fels like it's time. Cool to see that I'm not the only one making the upgrade.
you know, it would be great to see how behind this intel machine is vs de M series. It is at an awesome price, but one is stuck with the newbie stuff. That video would be interesting.
im also thinking of upgrading as i feel the Macpro on opencore has been a bit odd when booting sometimes it will hang and have a critical error and thats on macos 13 and 14 with opencore legacy patcher. but im also happy that some our Pcie Cards can work in PC or other intel Macs that are newer so when i get the mcfiver card it should work in a newish mac or intel pc. im not sure if ill get to upgrade to a 7,1 as i do seem to like windows and being able to fully mess with an intel tower mac.
First, love your channel! I was hoping to find a Mac Pro to be a NAS and media server but I've decided on getting the 45Labs HL15 that will run ProxMox and TrueNAS with ZFS. I have a Mac Studio M2 Ultra and it is incredibly fast. I wasn't concerned about expandability since I'm just a photographer and developer. But I used to build all my own PCs years ago and built my own NAS about 7 years ago that is still running. But its running out of storage now and I don't feel like replacing 8 drives in this machine. Hence, why I'm looking to upgrade now.
Glad to hear you are happy with your 2019 Mac Pro purchase, I'd like to see a video of you adding the SATA drive cages, and what happens with Windows 11from your 2009 Mac Pro when you install the drive to the 2019 Mac Pro. Acronis true image had driver injection when restoring a clone of Windows to new dissimilar hardware.
I been seeing those on ebay..... they're practically throwing em out for the 2k they're selling em for. Perhaps a entry level mac mini to keep up with the joneses would be a better option while you have a much newer and faster mac pro. The only problem will be intel compatibility with mac os.
So glad you will still be continuing with cMP 5,1! Fingers crossed (against all hope) that Apple supports MacOS 15 for at the very least the Mac Pro 2019. It is the least they should do after charging customers so much for it and then a year later introduce the M-series.
Good on you Lance. I also made this choice to stick with Intel for a moment.. I'm sure Apple will get there in time.. but that time isn't just yet.. I love to tinker also.. and note with some of the previous investments made on your 5,1.. These can lift and shift over to the 7,1.. I'm booting off the sonnet card with a raid for scratch on the other 3xm.2 ports.. its all insanely fast for my low levels of work. but it all just works.. i've 256GB of ram, not apple. some nice german chap on Ebay.. but sure you can source in the US for cheap cheap.. only think I notice of late is apple removed the 7,1 from the store. so no more apple supported upgrades? Good times ahead!
Farewell Lance, you were an essential aspect of the cMP community! Haha I would love for you to make similar content that you did for the 5,1 for this computer. I know there probably dozens of other videos out there, but they don't have your style. I would also love to get an update in a few months of whether or not you regret the switch.
i picked up a old HP xeon server it is amazing for the $50 i spent totally over powered as a media server lots of d slots and onboard raid it really depends on your need , most computers are overpowered and just running the wrong os and software versions btw : the m1's are VERY cheap now
I think you should be ok, on this nice 2019,when the new OS comes out....Plus you don,t want to install that right away either!.Thanks for showing us this Good deal...
See exactly that. I do mainly audio stuff. Only a bit of video editing using Regular HD. 2019 Macpro UK is about £3k I'm tempted, just to get 96GB ram in there.
I wonder what happens with these FB machines if you attempt to purchase AppleCare? And I also wonder if you put the s/n into the apple warranty check site what it says about warranties and month and year of purchase.
I just called Apple support yesterday and was able to register it, and get full 1 year warranty and I have 60 days from date of purchase to get Apple care but its 450.00 😅
@@shiningprince logged in to apple apple site to check existing warranty, and uploaded my eBay purchase receipt and added my serial number to it. Then booked a call and they called me, also found out mine was manufactured in June 2022
@@MacSoundSolutions I bought the same one from iPowerResale. I did some research to find out exactly how much this 16-core spec would cost in May of 2023 - and its $9,999.00 so you paid 21% of that. Remarkable. I live in Japan and just missed by minutes the opportunity to buy a top of the line spec (28-core, 4TB, 192GB, Vega II Duo) for $3,666 taxes and shipping included. I was kicking myself because that machine listed for $22,599! and it was nearly perfect. I used the Wayback Machine to go to 2020 and add up all the option prices then just after the W5500X GPU was added to the lineup.
I think everyone is selling because in June the new MacOS will be announced and everyone expects them to drop Intel from the supported lineup. I am hoping that at least they keep $23K Mac Pros supported for a while but its a screamer of a machine and I prefer having my Macs with the ability to run Windows or Linux natively as well.
You'll need to reinstall windows. I split the 2tb nand between macos and windows and put Linux on an nvme. I'm looking into the amfeltech or sonnet pcie cards for nvme storage
Lovely Mac you got. I still use my old bad boy of a 5.1... I think I never will give it up. so long as OpenCore will do their great beloved job to upgade and still let these bad boys be the workhorses in the field. I'm using it for graphic design and print production, I would love if Meta got more of these lovely macs. But it will be to expensive in import-tax to Denmark. (A used one in Denmark cost about $4.000 with the same spec. you got) Anyway I wish all the best for this new mac you got and I'm sure that this machine will keep up for the next 15 years like the old 5.1
Thanks Lance for the info and enjoy your new MAC. I followed the link and tried to check if Ipoweresale can ship outside the USA, but I don't think there is this possibility.
Yes a wise choice , i got mine as soon as they listed for sale and they gave me a coupon. I was able to register my warranty with apple and have the option to add apple care . Great deal nice upgrade coming from 2012 5,1
I just picked up a Mac Pro 2013 😆. I am going to be using a lot of your tips to see if I can get this old thing running pretty good. (It's got 32 GB ran at 1866 MHz, 512 TB SSD, and the AMD FirPro D500 twin GPU's). I may pick up one of these 2019's in a month or two. I hope to dual boot Window's and get one of the latest versions of Mac. I think this one has Monterey 12.7.4 currently.
Yeah got lucky on the early purchase I see some ebay sellers bought some and are reselling for crazy price. If you go to ipowerresale.com they sell them for a bit less than their ebay price.
Sorry for all the questions but I am also contemplating purchasing one of these. What is the ram configuration? Of the 12 slots how many are occupied and by how many gigabytes per slot? Many thanks
Damn, I bought one a few months ago for $4200, speced similar to yours, but with two GPUs; guess I should have waited! I don't think Windows 11 is supported on this machine, at least officially.
I understand that Apple products have the chiplet tile design on their CPU, but as a PC guy what is the benefit to using a Mac when they're so expensive and you get so little specs for your money? My Dad swears by them and there's no talking him out of the simplicity at his age but I just don't get it. The only thing I can say is my IPhone is much more dependable and streamlined to use than a Android is, so is that basically the same thing? Very interesting though that you can find a way to put the Radeon GPU's in there. I'm working with a RTX 4080 on a PC and I love it with the Nvidia encoder and all.
I'm eyeing these 7,1 MacPro's on ebay,I think from the same company you bought yours from. I've got a 6,1 trash can, and I consider it a Mac Mini that dosen't suck, lol! Unfortunately, Monterey is out of support later this year, and I'm not doing the Open Core thing (been there done that with my brothers 5,1!). Now I've owned a M1 MacMini and it was great for what I use a Mac for, but I like to tinker as well, so......
You should install a light show Lance!..inside the 7.1..so we can see all the cool shit,,,that's going on in there!...lol.a boss tube screamer...lmao. cheers!
In your 2009 Mac Pro how much RAM do you have? I have a 2012 Mac Pro 3.46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon, 32 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, AMD Radeon RX 580 8 GB. with OpenCore 9.8 installed Monterey 12.7.4. I was wondering how much RAM I could install?
I am considering buying an HP Z8 Fury G5 to run engineering simulations but I’m wondering if one of these would be a better deal. I assume there is no problem using an Nvidia GPU when directly booted in Windows 10.
Yes it will work, you first have to boot into recovery mode and adjust security settings to allow booting off other systems. I have Windows 11 installed and have seen folks use Nvidia cards for windows.
@@macgamer1973 not even close to the same thing. When Apple went from PPC to Intel they went from a superior architecture to a much worse one, so it took quite some time before Intel Macs actually ran better than the high end PPC configurations. This time they are moving to a superior architecture (ARM), but they just have no interest in doing what needs to be done for an ARM-based pro. They put a mobile CPU in a big hollow case and gave it no expandability. Fake PCIe slots don't count.
@@serqetry dude it’s a move to arm, they will make new one just don’t have right now. I had the first MacBook Pro 2006, it had ide ribbon cable, dvd drive was ata and broke after a year. Apple couldn’t fix my 17” PowerBook they sent out the intel. It was bump up to world intel. They did the same for Mac pro . Its place holder until later date. Apple said they wasn’t going to make a big MacBook Pro. they killed 17” MacBook Pro couple years later came out a 16”. The is bump up to compete the tradition to arm. At later date a new model will come
@@macgamer1973 Highly unlikely. If you still believe Apple really cares about the pro market, I can't help you. They would have to design a workstation-class ARM CPU, and they don't seem to have any intention of doing that. It's not the market they care about. But keep on dreaming. I've already moved on to Linux, and my PC has slots that actually work with GPUs. Lol.
My 5,1 just died 😢 but I had planned to upgrade to Apple silicon this year anyway, but I had hoped for some crossover time, only about half of my VST instruments work in Apple silicon native mode so I will have to work in Rosetta mode for a while
Hmm. Not sure to be honest! I too like to tinker and upgrade, but we’re over the apex for these Intel Macs. In a year or two at the most you’ll lose official Mac OS support. Then, or perhaps before, 3rd party software will be shipped as AS Mac only. I hate to point out the obvious but unless Apple turns, there’s no future in upgradable and tinker able Macs!
Not true as opencore will most likely keep it going, and there is windows and Linux, plus I have never been one to jump to the new Mac OS as Pro Pro Tools my main app always lags behind by almost a year before it’s compatible.
@@MacSoundSolutions Once Apple stops supporting Intel Mac’s they will also stop compiling as universal binaries for Intel and AS. Opencore won’t be able to help an Intel Mac run an AS only OS!
@@waynerowley true, not a problem, newer OS can be run on a M Mac and windows and older Mac OS on intel, don’t need to be on the latest OS. It’s obvious Apple is killing off intel as quick as possible but I’ve been using a 5,1 for over 10 years. Don’t mind being behind intact that’s the way I like it.
I avoided the ecosystem-trap and used 90% opensource software on my 5,1 since the day I bought it in 2009. In 2014, I swapped the entire OS to Linux and havent looked back. The fans on my mac-flashed 7950HD getting a bit louder these days tho.
@@MacSoundSolutions probably, but I'm 95% sure I'd break/brick the card. I'm looking at maybe parting it out on ebay, or doing a casemod to fit a 2024 computer board inside there.
Hi Lance,have you ever tried the apple gen 5b OEM 3 lane..ss Polaris nvme ssd?..im waiting for a 512gb 1 to get here, for my 6.1 can.....Ya..this is the 320$ 1 tb OEM ss Polaris, that know one ever would pay for..lol..But I just found out it's 3 lanes!...Designed for apfs!..m2!..it must be blazing fast!..no wonder it's 444$ for the 2 tb...lmao
Ya..I saw a 2020 12 ...16 pin..apple ss polaris 5b ssd 1tb.that would go so nice!..3 lane OEM ssd in our 2013 Mac Pro trashcan!.had to tell you,,if you didn't know about the 3 lane ssd
Im thinking the 512gb SS Polaris M2,With the 3.3 ghz 2667 8 core, cpu upgrade, and 64 gBs memory,wil give me a black magic score of 1399 write. and 15 20 read,,,my highest yet , in the 6.1..the 980 pro ..512gb hit 1480 readout its designed for windows..I think the ss Polaris is going to be the sweet spot. ..money ssd,,,for these machines
@@secondadventmessengerminis3594 I just did a few months ago, they are a being edged out by Apple so it’s only worth it if you find a great deal. Prices will continue to drop.
thanks. I use my 5, 1 for RUclips video presentations with keynote presentations, blending sermons with slides. I just bought (three days ago) a MacBook Pro with 16 core 48 GPU 64 RAM and 2TB. I replaced a 2017 MBP quad core. I Cary my MBP with my and, if I am out of town, can do Final Cut Pro editing and post videos. Now that I see that the MacPros are within my range, would you advise replacing the 5,1 with prices under $1500, for the exact same one you have? My Pro is 12 Core, 3.42 ghz, 128 gb RAM and 7TB of storage. Your thoughts
@@secondadventmessengerminis3594 if you have a new MacBook Pro it will be good for FCP the Mac Pro won’t out out perform it, so not sure why you would want it.
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That's super cool! Yes, M2 or M3 feel snappier opening apps in everyday use, and they are faster in general, but as an audio work horse this Mac allows you to keep your current workflow for many years to come (and that's exacly why it exists, Apple had to launch it right before Apple silicon for that reason). No need to change your entire setup, no need to use external drives for everything, and honestly, it's a safer computer if something breaks. You can buy and replace SSD, RAM or GPU in just a few hours instead of having to send the entire machine to Apple for weeks. Can't wait to see more content about it!
Wow!! Congratulations on your purchase. I could see myself sticking with the 5,1 for another 5 years.
metoo ;) i just LOVE to tinker with my 10 mac pro´s (actually, i just got Sonoma running on my 3.1 yesterday! :))
We have to keep the 5,1 around due can run old 32bit app and games. 7,1 and later can’t go back in time since it’s pure 64 only. Mac game store stated on games must use Rosetta 2 to play
I will be keeping and loving my 5,1 as well. Can't beat a machine that can run like 13~16 different MacOS versions and well at that! But I bought a 2019 to replace my 2013 as my daily driver.
Man, I love how you’re just raging against the dying of the Intel Mac light 😂
You are gonna love this machine. I transitioned from a 5,1 to a 7,1 two to three months ago. I bought it for like $2300 from a studio that closed - was like 3 months old. Upgraded the RAM, CPU (24-core), NVMe array, USB-C, USB etc etc - was well worth it. The hard part was getting a CPU for this machine - they are very hard to come by. You will see though with the graphics card that it needs to be a specific size. I picked one up on eBay. Only specific cards will fit this thing. I got a Dell Alienware AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB GDDR6 card which fits this thing. It is lightning fast - you won't look back once you get everything moved!
Yes my Sonnet rx6800xt just fits.
@@MacSoundSolutions that's right - those I think were "designed" to fit those machines. I really hope that someone finds a way to "hack" these 7,1s to provide support for AMD's 7 Series GC's - it's really annoying that Apple just won't do it. What's even weirder is that Apple is in talks with Nvidia so maybe we'll see support for their cards in the future? The 7.1 is such an amazing machine - it's a total bummer they turned into the M2 dud that it is - empty box with no magic... thanks Apple. I love my 5,1 but it was starting to show its age - it was lagging on basic tasks - this thing is fast as hell especially if you build an NVMe array inside - oh man - 12-16K RPMs.
Lance!! Thank you for getting this! I’m super excited to see the videos you make about this! I may pick this up as well if there are ones left.
They raised the price by $600.00. Now listed at $2699.00
Yea noted in the video, they were selling so fast makes sense it was a surprisingly good deal.
They have used in great condition for 2G now
logged in to apple apple site to check existing warranty, and uploaded my eBay purchase receipt and added my serial number to it. Then booked a call and they called me, also found out mine was manufactured in June 2022
Suoer cool man. I have been in contact with this seller a few times in the last 24 hrs ironically. Then this video showed up on my living room TV Wow! They are still selling ~ Peace
Congrats on getting a new Mac Pro 2019 model! Rather have options to upgrade instead of stuck with it forever and glued. Rock on the new one! 🎉
Update it turns out the internal USB port next to the SATA port is USB 3.0.
Let’s go! What an upgrade I bet that’ll be
But I’m sure impressed with the 5,1 for lasting so long! Mine still feels like a two year old computer not a 14 year old one.
congratulations - enjoy !
( also, I turn pots and switch 'upside-down' on my Tele - lot more useful : )
I’ll be buying a 7,1 eventually. Right now my 5,1 still running smoothly. Thanks to you, I’ve kept running. 😊
Congratulations! That’s a wise choice. There is no joy factor when you can’t tinker. My m2 iPad Pro can edit far better than my 5,1, but it’s joyless. 7,1 is going to be better all around.
Still have my 2,1 and added a 2022 MacBook Pro 13" M2 big iPhone computer that doesn't even support DDC on the HDMI port.
For this price? This was a no brainer. And I totally agree with you regarding the new Mac Studio. Until then, pushing the limits out of my Mac Pro 5,1. Congratulations Lance, enjoy. Looking forward to watching the next videos!!! Cheers!!!
Great buy and score Lance! Good luck with it and enjoy your new Mac Pro!!! If I had only known about this deal. I brought my 7,1 Mac Pro in 2021 for 4k for the base model. But I’ve done a lot of upgrades. A new 28 core cpu NVME’s and many more. This is exactly why I got the Mac Pro, expansion! You can’t do any internal upgrades on any Apple Silicon. 🤬 I still have more upgrades to do in the future. With 8 slots you have almost unlimited options.
Congratulations Lance. I saw your FB post when you bought. I checked out the deal myself and tried to justify, but I couldn't. I guess, I will have to live with my 5,1 maxed out, a M1 Mac Studio, and my Dell Precision 2x10 core Xeon workstation. Have fun with your new computer.
Holy Smokes Lance!..I just opened your profile and saw all the artists you,ve worked with wow!..Thats really impressive lance!.I just got a Paradigm cc 200 centre channel for my Denon home theatre,that goes with the 6.1..the 2667 ghz 3.3 is so fast
I picked one of these up based on your post in one of the FB groups. Will be watching your future videos as you upgrade the machine over time.
Was watching their eBay listing and looks this seller sold over 90-ish to date! Now seeing CPU upgrades for this machine selling out on eBay.
That’s awesome! Since last year I was thinking of getting a 2019 Mac Pro.
It’s a great machine!
Well done. Looking forward to watching upgrading.
Happy for you. Cheers for another many years with it :)
I have one too, Lance. (16core/384ram/2tb/8tbsata) loads of expandability and i migrated my catalina ssd from my 5,1 and upgraded to Monterey. my recommendation. tinkering heaven !
Congrats! 2019 Mac Pro over here to and it's awesome!
Have you guys heard about the massive security issue with the m processors. It is probably for the best to stick with the Intel processor for a while longer anyways.
WOW!!!!! Awesome Lance!!! WOW!!!!! oh, The issue with my RX580's was an easy fix! I sent them out to be flashed for Mac and all is well!
Congrats in the new system!
That sounds awesome. I am tempted to do the same thing. But can you upgrade the SSDs in these with 3rd party drives? Any other major limitations you are aware of?
You can add third party and boot from them via PCIe but the internal drive is Apple only
@@MacSoundSolutions I heard that you need an Apple SSD no matter what, but if I understand what you are saying, you can also boot to 3rd party PCIe based in any of MacOS, Windows or Linux? If not that is a major limitation. Thanks
@@shiningprinceyes you can, you have to boot into recovery mode and set security to be able to boot off other system or external drives then you can boot off pcie drives, I’m actually booting off windows 11 via the internal USB port
What a machine! Best of luck with it.
I'm going the same way here in Australia. Unfortunately your computer is now $900 more.
Awesome everything should work in your computer except for maybe that windows 11 if you haven’t tried it yet if was bios. My 5,1 bios drive is still in my Mac Pro 7,1 unbootable. I thought I’d make a video about converting it but haven’t.
11 works and shows up in the system prefs start up disk, I have to hold option to boot back into Mac OS after booting into windows so need a wired keyboard. With opencore you can just select which disk you want to boot into via the OC boot loader on my 5,1.
@@MacSoundSolutions Oh nice, so it was EFI install since OpenCore compatible. ProTip, using the lightning cable makes the wireless keyboard work like a wired keyboard, I have a long lightning cable that I have mostly for that purpose.
@dmug Yes figured that one out early as I have a magic track pad and it works while plugged in. I did find out to boot off external systems you need to boot into recovery mode and select allow to boot off other drives, something like that, it would not boot off windows without enabling that, and yeah Windows 11 is a UEFI install via rufus with TPM disabled. Runs great, getting about 20fps faster in the same games with the new Mac and rx6800xt. Pretty sure it’s the GPU as I can see the Mac pros fans monitored in iStat and they are not revving up.
@@MacSoundSolutions I’m about to upload a vid comparing the Mac Pro 5,1 vs 7,1 with a 6600 XT, the games tested, not a lot of difference which is expected as targeting visual fidelity over frame rate.
@@dmug Nice... I have an odd thing going on with my 6800xt as the fans spin up and down every 10 minutes or so to a pretty loud level. It doesn't do it in windows till I start a game then fans are very loud, but back to the Mac even when not doing much the GPU fans kick up then back down. It did it in my 5,1 and possible started after one of the Monterey updates, and now in the 7,1 but it is running the same system as my 5,1 as I migrated all my data. Any thoughts? There might be an app that is causing it or the OS not sure. There is no way to monitor temps, or fan speeds of the GPU.
Congrats!! The last upgradable Mac Pro. That intel processor can be swapped as well. 2019 should be around for a while Apple has been slower about retiring pro pcs because it’s not something that gets upgraded by its user base often.
Awesome! I just bought a Mac Studio after running my 5,1 since last decade. Got it on Tuesday. Fels like it's time. Cool to see that I'm not the only one making the upgrade.
you know, it would be great to see how behind this intel machine is vs de M series. It is at an awesome price, but one is stuck with the newbie stuff. That video would be interesting.
im also thinking of upgrading as i feel the Macpro on opencore has been a bit odd when booting
sometimes it will hang and have a critical error and thats on macos 13 and 14 with opencore legacy patcher.
but im also happy that some our Pcie Cards can work in PC or other intel Macs that are newer so when i get the mcfiver card it should
work in a newish mac or intel pc. im not sure if ill get to upgrade to a 7,1 as i do seem to like windows and being able to fully
mess with an intel tower mac.
First, love your channel! I was hoping to find a Mac Pro to be a NAS and media server but I've decided on getting the 45Labs HL15 that will run ProxMox and TrueNAS with ZFS. I have a Mac Studio M2 Ultra and it is incredibly fast. I wasn't concerned about expandability since I'm just a photographer and developer. But I used to build all my own PCs years ago and built my own NAS about 7 years ago that is still running. But its running out of storage now and I don't feel like replacing 8 drives in this machine. Hence, why I'm looking to upgrade now.
A 6950xt has a golden sample chip but it also marginally increased the memory bandwidth. I have both cards and the difference is noticeable.
So did you install opencore to spoof it as a 6900xt? Did you also have to flash the bios to a 6900?
install Proxmox on your Mac pro 5.1 ?
Glad to hear you are happy with your 2019 Mac Pro purchase, I'd like to see a video of you adding the SATA drive cages, and what happens with Windows 11from your 2009 Mac Pro when you install the drive to the 2019 Mac Pro. Acronis true image had driver injection when restoring a clone of Windows to new dissimilar hardware.
Next video in the works but will be a few days. Hint my Windows 11 drive works.
@@MacSoundSolutions Cool, did it ask you to reactive Windows do to the new hardware?
@@josemedeiros007yes and no idea where my code is
@@MacSoundSolutions It may be digitally registered if you used an outlook or hotmail account?
@@josemedeiros007I have a Microsoft account so they should have it thanks
that's a super steal - shame they don't ship to the UK.
loom forwards to the migration videos.
I been seeing those on ebay..... they're practically throwing em out for the 2k they're selling em for.
Perhaps a entry level mac mini to keep up with the joneses would be a better option while you have a much newer and faster mac pro.
The only problem will be intel compatibility with mac os.
Woah! Lance!
congrats with your specimen of the holy grail of mac pro´s
its tempting, ive seen this thing at insanely low prices locally
So glad you will still be continuing with cMP 5,1! Fingers crossed (against all hope) that Apple supports MacOS 15 for at the very least the Mac Pro 2019. It is the least they should do after charging customers so much for it and then a year later introduce the M-series.
Good on you Lance. I also made this choice to stick with Intel for a moment.. I'm sure Apple will get there in time.. but that time isn't just yet.. I love to tinker also.. and note with some of the previous investments made on your 5,1.. These can lift and shift over to the 7,1.. I'm booting off the sonnet card with a raid for scratch on the other 3xm.2 ports.. its all insanely fast for my low levels of work. but it all just works.. i've 256GB of ram, not apple. some nice german chap on Ebay.. but sure you can source in the US for cheap cheap.. only think I notice of late is apple removed the 7,1 from the store. so no more apple supported upgrades? Good times ahead!
Farewell Lance, you were an essential aspect of the cMP community! Haha I would love for you to make similar content that you did for the 5,1 for this computer. I know there probably dozens of other videos out there, but they don't have your style. I would also love to get an update in a few months of whether or not you regret the switch.
Not dead yet! Will
Keep the 5,1 alive for a while, I have a rx5700xt to put in it and my Monterey NVMe.
i picked up a old HP xeon server it is amazing for the $50 i spent totally over powered as a media server lots of d slots and onboard raid
it really depends on your need , most computers are overpowered and just running the wrong os and software versions
btw : the m1's are VERY cheap now
Is this video why they raided the price? lol.
I was seriously considering buying one of those before the price jumped but could not justify it.
Price jumped before I posted the video 😅as the price increase is mentioned in the video.
Bought the same model from the same seller for that bargain of a price. They upped it to $3k now so we lucked out!
please also a video if the 5.1 beats the 7.1 in performance 😆
Twenty hundred is a good price ... the offices intended for the 7.1 have now been replaced by AI
Me encantaría poder aprovechar esas oportunidades, es una lastima ir no tenga el dinero y no sean tan fácil de comprar desde Colombia
Congratulations. I hope you can upgrade the CPU.
You can and I will when the 28 core gets cheaper...
I think you should be ok, on this nice 2019,when the new OS comes out....Plus you don,t want to install that right away either!.Thanks for showing us this Good deal...
See exactly that. I do mainly audio stuff. Only a bit of video editing using Regular HD. 2019 Macpro UK is about £3k I'm tempted, just to get 96GB ram in there.
I wonder what happens with these FB machines if you attempt to purchase AppleCare? And I also wonder if you put the s/n into the apple warranty check site what it says about warranties and month and year of purchase.
I just called Apple support yesterday and was able to register it, and get full 1 year warranty and I have 60 days from date of purchase to get Apple care but its 450.00 😅
@@MacSoundSolutions Oh, that is awesome! Did you have to explain where you bought it?
@@shiningprince logged in to apple apple site to check existing warranty, and uploaded my eBay purchase receipt and added my serial number to it. Then booked a call and they called me, also found out mine was manufactured in June 2022
@@MacSoundSolutions I bought the same one from iPowerResale. I did some research to find out exactly how much this 16-core spec would cost in May of 2023 - and its $9,999.00 so you paid 21% of that. Remarkable. I live in Japan and just missed by minutes the opportunity to buy a top of the line spec (28-core, 4TB, 192GB, Vega II Duo) for $3,666 taxes and shipping included. I was kicking myself because that machine listed for $22,599! and it was nearly perfect. I used the Wayback Machine to go to 2020 and add up all the option prices then just after the W5500X GPU was added to the lineup.
I think everyone is selling because in June the new MacOS will be announced and everyone expects them to drop Intel from the supported lineup. I am hoping that at least they keep $23K Mac Pros supported for a while but its a screamer of a machine and I prefer having my Macs with the ability to run Windows or Linux natively as well.
sad and happy at the same time. Happy for you that you did the next step, sad that you give up the old legendary 5.1
and don't forget, you can use 2x GPUs in this machine with full bandwidth :)
Thank you and good luck with new powerfool setup🎗️💪🏻🥂
You'll need to reinstall windows. I split the 2tb nand between macos and windows and put Linux on an nvme. I'm looking into the amfeltech or sonnet pcie cards for nvme storage
WHA? Do so want....Great Purchase...... As I live in OZ...... Ive soooo got to wait... (Macinstein 5.1 here)
Nice Move!
Lovely Mac you got. I still use my old bad boy of a 5.1... I think I never will give it up. so long as OpenCore will do their great beloved job to upgade and still let these bad boys be the workhorses in the field. I'm using it for graphic design and print production,
I would love if Meta got more of these lovely macs. But it will be to expensive in import-tax to Denmark. (A used one in Denmark cost about $4.000 with the same spec. you got) Anyway I wish all the best for this new mac you got and I'm sure that this machine will keep up for the next 15 years like the old 5.1
i got a 14' m1pro 16+512 last week😅
Awesome. Great deal on the Mac Pro. Thanks for the video.
Thanks Lance for the info and enjoy your new MAC. I followed the link and tried to check if Ipoweresale can ship outside the USA, but I don't think there is this possibility.
Yes a wise choice , i got mine as soon as they listed for sale and they gave me a coupon. I was able to register my warranty with apple and have the option to add apple care . Great deal nice upgrade coming from 2012 5,1
Yeap got the warranty.
I just picked up a Mac Pro 2013 😆. I am going to be using a lot of your tips to see if I can get this old thing running pretty good. (It's got 32 GB ran at 1866 MHz, 512 TB SSD, and the AMD FirPro D500 twin GPU's). I may pick up one of these 2019's in a month or two. I hope to dual boot Window's and get one of the latest versions of Mac. I think this one has Monterey 12.7.4 currently.
My 6,1 has Sonoma and runs nicely using opencore legacy patcher.
Yeah I noticed that they did up the price 😢😢
Yeah got lucky on the early purchase I see some ebay sellers bought some and are reselling for crazy price. If you go to ipowerresale.com they sell them for a bit less than their ebay price.
Sorry for all the questions but I am also contemplating purchasing one of these. What is the ram configuration? Of the 12 slots how many are occupied and by how many gigabytes per slot? Many thanks
6x16 gigs
Damn, I bought one a few months ago for $4200, speced similar to yours, but with two GPUs; guess I should have waited!
I don't think Windows 11 is supported on this machine, at least officially.
I have windows 11 will show it in my next video, you need to use Rufus to remove the TPM, it runs great no bootcamp.
I understand that Apple products have the chiplet tile design on their CPU, but as a PC guy what is the benefit to using a Mac when they're so expensive and you get so little specs for your money? My Dad swears by them and there's no talking him out of the simplicity at his age but I just don't get it. The only thing I can say is my IPhone is much more dependable and streamlined to use than a Android is, so is that basically the same thing? Very interesting though that you can find a way to put the Radeon GPU's in there. I'm working with a RTX 4080 on a PC and I love it with the Nvidia encoder and all.
I'm eyeing these 7,1 MacPro's on ebay,I think from the same company you bought yours from. I've got a 6,1 trash can, and I consider it a Mac Mini that dosen't suck, lol! Unfortunately, Monterey is out of support later this year, and I'm not doing the Open Core thing (been there done that with my brothers 5,1!). Now I've owned a M1 MacMini and it was great for what I use a Mac for, but I like to tinker as well, so......
@@starbuck1776 ipoweresale is the company
What capture software you use? I use screen flow have 45gig file which won’t open in fcp: ( for editing. Working on my Mac gaming channel
In windows 11 for games i use AMD Adrenalin software which is also the driver for my rx6800XT, in Mac OS I just use quicktime.
Hi Lance,
Great news, I am happy for you. Which channel did you hear this 2099$ offer at first place?
EBay they sold about 75 of them at that price before raising it, link to their store in the video description.
I wish I could afford Mac Pro. Good deal. Right to repair and right to upgrade.
Yes yes . I was waiting for.this contents 🎉
You should install a light show Lance!..inside the 7.1..so we can see all the cool shit,,,that's going on in there!...lol.a boss tube screamer...lmao. cheers!
In your 2009 Mac Pro how much RAM do you have? I have a 2012 Mac Pro 3.46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon, 32 GB 1333 MHz DDR3, AMD Radeon RX 580 8 GB. with OpenCore 9.8 installed Monterey 12.7.4. I was wondering how much RAM I could install?
That answers my question. Scrap the idea. Thanks
I am considering buying an HP Z8 Fury G5 to run engineering simulations but I’m wondering if one of these would be a better deal. I assume there is no problem using an Nvidia GPU when directly booted in Windows 10.
Yes it will work, you first have to boot into recovery mode and adjust security settings to allow booting off other systems. I have Windows 11 installed and have seen folks use Nvidia cards for windows.
Congrats. What a deal.
OS Ventura oclp...100%.still receiving updates!,,not just security updates!
You got the last real Mac Pro model that will probably ever be made. The M2 Mac Pro is a complete joke, and Apple should be embarrassed for making it.
Apple always do a bump up. They did the same from power pc to intel
@@macgamer1973 not even close to the same thing. When Apple went from PPC to Intel they went from a superior architecture to a much worse one, so it took quite some time before Intel Macs actually ran better than the high end PPC configurations. This time they are moving to a superior architecture (ARM), but they just have no interest in doing what needs to be done for an ARM-based pro. They put a mobile CPU in a big hollow case and gave it no expandability. Fake PCIe slots don't count.
@@serqetry dude it’s a move to arm, they will make new one just don’t have right now. I had the first MacBook Pro 2006, it had ide ribbon cable, dvd drive was ata and broke after a year. Apple couldn’t fix my 17” PowerBook they sent out the intel. It was bump up to world intel. They did the same for Mac pro . Its place holder until later date. Apple said they wasn’t going to make a big MacBook Pro. they killed 17” MacBook Pro couple years later came out a 16”. The is bump up to compete the tradition to arm. At later date a new model will come
@@macgamer1973 Highly unlikely. If you still believe Apple really cares about the pro market, I can't help you. They would have to design a workstation-class ARM CPU, and they don't seem to have any intention of doing that. It's not the market they care about. But keep on dreaming. I've already moved on to Linux, and my PC has slots that actually work with GPUs. Lol.
My 5,1 just died 😢 but I had planned to upgrade to Apple silicon this year anyway, but I had hoped for some crossover time, only about half of my VST instruments work in Apple silicon native mode so I will have to work in Rosetta mode for a while
😢😢
Hmm. Not sure to be honest! I too like to tinker and upgrade, but we’re over the apex for these Intel Macs. In a year or two at the most you’ll lose official Mac OS support. Then, or perhaps before, 3rd party software will be shipped as AS Mac only. I hate to point out the obvious but unless Apple turns, there’s no future in upgradable and tinker able Macs!
I been tinkering since my childhood days on Commodore 64 and SX64:) the 80s were the good old days. Walking down to the computer shop
Not true as opencore will most likely keep it going, and there is windows and Linux, plus I have never been one to jump to the new Mac OS as Pro Pro Tools my main app always lags behind by almost a year before it’s compatible.
@@MacSoundSolutions Once Apple stops supporting Intel Mac’s they will also stop compiling as universal binaries for Intel and AS. Opencore won’t be able to help an Intel Mac run an AS only OS!
@@waynerowley true, not a problem, newer OS can be run on a M Mac and windows and older Mac OS on intel, don’t need to be on the latest OS. It’s obvious Apple is killing off intel as quick as possible but I’ve been using a 5,1 for over 10 years. Don’t mind being behind intact that’s the way I like it.
Dude i use my 5,1 as a Nas it
I can through my McFiver back in it and have it be my 10G NAS although it is a pretty big power suction running two mac pros :)
@@MacSoundSolutions it is but it's nice keeping the old girl running
@@cedhbudgetbrews4885 agreed, mine is in great shape... Does wake for network access work?
I avoided the ecosystem-trap and used 90% opensource software on my 5,1 since the day I bought it in 2009. In 2014, I swapped the entire OS to Linux and havent looked back. The fans on my mac-flashed 7950HD getting a bit louder these days tho.
Time to add some new thermal paste on the GPU.
@@MacSoundSolutions probably, but I'm 95% sure I'd break/brick the card. I'm looking at maybe parting it out on ebay, or doing a casemod to fit a 2024 computer board inside there.
I've looked at a few of these, but the xeon eat so much electricity. I run Ubuntu, so my i7 2600 gets the job done.
You must be busy,,installing all your goodies!...lol..Can wait to see your next video..If anyone deserves this Intel Gem...its you!...lol...
Hi Lance,have you ever tried the apple gen 5b OEM 3 lane..ss Polaris nvme ssd?..im waiting for a 512gb 1 to get here, for my 6.1 can.....Ya..this is the 320$ 1 tb OEM ss Polaris, that know one ever would pay for..lol..But I just found out it's 3 lanes!...Designed for apfs!..m2!..it must be blazing fast!..no wonder it's 444$ for the 2 tb...lmao
Can you give me a link would like to have a look.
You kan keep old mac pro and make it as osx server with back drive
Ya..I saw a 2020 12 ...16 pin..apple ss polaris 5b ssd 1tb.that would go so nice!..3 lane OEM ssd in our 2013 Mac Pro trashcan!.had to tell you,,if you didn't know about the 3 lane ssd
Are you using FireWire at all???
No
I read this in complete apple ssd chart, article I googled, know wonder those 3 lane models, are 300$..They are the 980 pro...lol
I got one. I thought all the same things.
Im thinking the 512gb SS Polaris M2,With the 3.3 ghz 2667 8 core, cpu upgrade, and 64 gBs memory,wil give me a black magic score of 1399 write. and 15 20 read,,,my highest yet , in the 6.1..the 980 pro ..512gb hit 1480 readout its designed for windows..I think the ss Polaris is going to be the sweet spot. ..money ssd,,,for these machines
you inspire me😁
Good choice!
Would it be late to switch from my 5,1 nowadays? Thanks
@@secondadventmessengerminis3594 I just did a few months ago, they are a being edged out by Apple so it’s only worth it if you find a great deal. Prices will continue to drop.
thanks. I use my 5, 1 for RUclips video presentations with keynote presentations, blending sermons with slides. I just bought (three days ago) a MacBook Pro with 16 core 48 GPU 64 RAM and 2TB. I replaced a 2017 MBP quad core. I Cary my MBP with my and, if I am out of town, can do Final Cut Pro editing and post videos. Now that I see that the MacPros are within my range, would you advise replacing the 5,1 with prices under $1500, for the exact same one you have? My Pro is 12 Core, 3.42 ghz, 128 gb RAM and 7TB of storage.
Your thoughts
@@secondadventmessengerminis3594 if you have a new MacBook Pro it will be good for FCP the Mac Pro won’t out out perform it, so not sure why you would want it.