I know about the helmet and it's still annoying to use. You either have to hit your target directly, and immediately put on the helmet (limiting your movement), or toss it and wait for it's insanely long fuse, then block it with the helmet. All of this just gives you a slow and cumbersome attack pattern all because you have to protect yourself from your own attack. It's nice that it's the best screen clear in the game, but the waiting and the damage make it too annoying for me to want to use often.
Personally, I like how the game forces you to use dynamite. I wish more shards required getting combos from other levels. Makes for some good challenges.
god that was the worst level for me lol. having to use dynamite in a whole level without dying once was just pain. the moment i saw the minecart tho my dk country ptsd kicked in and i knew it was gonna be something awful...
@@RangerTheWarrior It.. Might not actually be a lightsaber, but instead a beam sword. They're very similar, but beam swords are from Gundam, which is pretty popular in Japan. Of course, it could very well be a reference to both, but I think it's very possible that they felt more inspired by Gundam instead, since Kirby 64 only came out like, 8 months after The Phantom Menace.
@@carnage0685 I believe for Phantom Menace the teaser trailers having Darth Maul with twin red lightsaber totally inspired Kirby developers to put it in there as it was highly anticipated and hyped to the point there was already games and figures leaks :) as well as juxtaposition with Gundam references yes
Actually, regular Fire is used for regular speedrunning, too. It's really good =P Double Fire is also used a lot, and some Fire combos are used for boss fights. Basically Fire's kinda nasty in this game =P also I would have subbed but I DO NOT ACCEPT MELTING ICE CUBE SLANDER THAT ABILITY IS HYPE (actually subbed though I enjoyed both Kirby videos! Good stuff.)
I miss this system of copy abilities. I'd love for truly combining abilities to return instead of the elemental effects on attacks that we got in star allies.
I actually used to think that Melting Ice Cube was designed in a way that it would always hurt you in exchange for occasionally tickling an enemy in just such a way that it spontaneously combusts Edit: Also...dynamite is a guilty pleasure of mine, just because the helmet reminds me of the Mets from Mega Man, but I do admit that it’s pretty garbage
Actually, that hat is apparently used in Japanese construction or something. This explains why you see it in a lot of Japanese games, and here it probably fits better here than it did in Mega Man because if you want some demolition you should wear a hard hat to protect your head.
Its not a matchbox because the striker strip (rough part) on a matchbook is essentially sandpaper and would not bend the way Kirby uses it. It’s also a towel bc it’s fire+SPARK! Static electricity; there are literally warnings at gas stations to not enter and exit your vehicle while pumping gas bc static electric shocks can ignite gasoline.
It's a tinder sheet. You can find them with camping supplies. A lot of places sell them as lighting paper since the dating website has made it impossible to Google
One function I really missed from this game that I don't hear people talking about is the ability to hold the enemies over your head instead of just spit them out. I like how of you're holding a bronto burt it almost acts like a parachute and you'll hover every time you jump and float down. Or if you hold a glunk it will keep shooting upwards and kill enemies above you
Noticing some references in forgotten land. Besides the obvious Swiss Army knife one, the dragon flame abilities fire ball move seems to take inspiration from this games double fire ability and the fridge Kirby is definitely a precursor to mouthful mode
The Spark/Burning combo isn’t really a Match ability. I think of it as a Static ability due to Kirby rubbing the towel on him and then igniting. Great video!
Just a quick question, was this video partially inspired from Wambu's top 10 Kirby 64 abilities. You guys seem to both agree on the same best abilities (also if you haven't seen his top 10 video then I guess its a coincidence that your minds both think alike)
Double spark, fireworks, and ninja star were always my favs. They're all so broken. My least favorite was fire ice as well because of how disappointing that combo is.
I agree with the top because they are fun and have its nice uses, i like refrigerator more cuz is just hilarious not its actual utility, like yeah maybe a child playing the game for the first time may find infinite health busted (and it is) but when the game is so easy and how unpractical and slow attacking with food is the ability is more for giggles than useful i would say. Also, i have so say you put Fire very low, maybe is not the most creative ability but its actually the most useful one. It demolishes enemies and makes you go very fast with clever use, one of my problems with this game is how slow Kirby movement is and how combat often ruins tha pace of the game but Fire helps with both of this issues. I actually find very fun replaying the game using mostly Fire and just seing how faster i can beat each level or the entire short game, using Fire multiple times in the air is actually very fun imo.
I think you're underrating Snowflake quite a bit here: It makes you totally invincible, has fantastic range and has a perpetual hitbox, and is visually stunning and I think fun to use, which hits a lot of the pros you give higher tier abilities. I'd at least put it in the high C's or low B's. Speaking of the Low B's, I can't see bow and arrow as any better then Bomb, which basically has the same utility but gives you far better mobility. There's a few other things I'd change (ice skates i'd put higher, for example: insane mobility and good offensive use and fun flavor/theming) but those are the main things.
You know, if they wanted fire and ice to be useful, they could have turned Kirby into a smoke bomb, spewing a continuous gas in all directions while bouncing off the ground. Alternatively, it could have been a water gun, or a boiling pot of water that Kirby tips over and spills onto the ground. Heck, it could have even been the cleaning pitch bucket toss
main points of disagreement here are alligator jaws (my favorite ability for its sheer range and speed), flame bow (i don't see the point in using a shitty little slow-moving ranged weapon when the melee abilities are so massive), animal statues (pitch is kinda fun but he's not worth 20 seconds of spamming B), and electric rock (how the HELL do you control that thing)
I feel like someone once gave you the public speaking advice of "talk slowly", and then forgot to teach you that talking in a video is different from speaking in person. You could stand to cut out your own pauses to keep a more consistent flow of words whenever you are on the same thought
I loved using double lightning in the water level where you fall down for a while. Just hold the power and it'd zap everything on its way down. So satisfying. I also loved using double fire Phoenix 🔥, and the fireworks move were a lot of fun too. The small bird Pitch was what I'd use to let my little brother play.
once i accidentally found the ninja stars in my first playthrough i pretty much didn't use anything else lol. Little sad to see missiles rank so low they were probably the most satisfying combo for me to use.
me: I agree with refrigerator ranking at 1st, You are technically immortal since you have unlimited ability uses and it trows food that you can use to heal.
I feel like most anything combined with cutter just makes for an awesome ability. Also I like melting ice cube because of just how awful it is. I’ll try to beat bosses with just melting ice cube because it sucks
My favorites in no particular order: Stone Cutter, Spark Cutter, Bomb Cutter, Spark Needle, Spark Stone, Burning Bomb, Stone Needle Objectively best in the game: Freeze Spark I Like Them, I Just Wish They Weren't So Slow: Burning Cutter, Burning Needle, Cutter, Cutter Cutter Disappointing: Burning Spark (should've been more like Laser or Beam!), Burning Freeze (so much potential for this one)
@@RangerTheWarrior Oh I see. But still if those two abilities where to be in a future game like another forgotten land, they would be great. And the fact that they are different enough with metal always keeping you in your metal form and stone could be more like mega stone where Kirby could pull rocks and cover himself in those rocks, essentially creating a stone mech that can turn into a mess of rocks to roll around.
yeah, fridge is amazing. back in the days, star wars was all the hype so all my friend said that double lightsaber was the best ability... until i showed them fridge and the infinite healing it bring!
minuet flaws teehe. Admittedly, typos happen (see below) AND this actually fits into the point you're making, so...yeah. Very nice video, man. My Tier List, slight modification to Tier Names, sorta sorted within the tier: *Tier F/I hate these:* -Fire/Ice (melting ice): Dude, all they had to do is make the ice invulnerable or do damage to enemies, and it'd *still* be awful, but not like...*this* awful. Bottom tier, but not like...superbad awful. -Stone/Bomb (Dynamite): Everything you said was true on the timing and potential damage to yourself. I *guess* this is kinda-ish this game's Crash ability. Sorta. Ish. Just really, really annoying to use. I was thinking about what ability would have made "Hammer" in this game. Aside from King Dedede obvs, I *think* this is the combo that would make the most sense, allowing a hammer-flip when holding B, slow movement, and explosion to the self if it's held too long. Would also make a mix of two really cool abilities into a non-trash one. *Tier E/Underrated stuff that I don't like, don't like using, don't want, thus belong above F tier personally, but actually should belong somewhere else because I'm an idiot shut up I don't like fridge it's hard to use* -Cutter: bleh. Looks weird/cool, but I don't like how long it is, don't like the movement changing. Just...never clicked with me. -Cutter/Cutter (big boi cutter): So, way better, except it lasts longer, and everything in life is ruined from this. -Ice/Spark (fridge): OKAY SO. The food is hard to launch, or you're having to drop above something, and it's weird, and I hate it. Except the food is cool as heck ha ha ice, but like. Like. Iunno. Yes it's amzing, but. Like. I never really liked it, and you can't move, and shut up everyone. *Tier M/M is for movement. These abilities are all kinda-ish the same, and I don't love them, but like...eh* -Fire/Spark (squeegeeman): It's funny. Kinda cool. Just kinda funny, but the auto-run is a hindrance more than not. But cool for challenges and such of trying to keep running through the level. -Spark/bomb: issa lightbulb. yay? -Ice/Bomb (snowman): It's a snowman! Just takes awhile to 'splode. -Ice/Cutter (skates): Wheeee skates! Since you can't float with this ability (because then there are no skates, and what are you doing you heathen keep the ability going), it's slightly bothersome to use. Still, probably deserves to be a higher tier, but as we say in the old country, deal with it. -Stone/Ice (curling stone): Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this one *is* fun, but yeah, no jump. Give a jump, and this is like...maybe second tier or so. -Ice/Ice (big ol' snowball): This technically fits in this tier, but it's super fun. Annoying when it pops early, as noted in the video. *Tier I/I is for aIming, because A is already taken. These are all aiming moves. I tend to not like them.* -Bomb: Eh. beh. boo. -Ice/Spark: This is where the ability *actually should go*, so y'know. But nYEH -Fire/Needle (arrow): It's like bomb, but YOU CAN JUMP! Which is really funny, but kinda eh. *Tier N/N is for needle. Ice has a lot of meh abilities for me; needle has a few that are needle, but moreso. And that doesn't bug me. I think it's a well done ability set.* -Needle: issa needle -Needle/Needle: issa bigger needle. WAY more fun due to it taking longer, and so you see stuff stuck more. But it *does* lose the anemone look, so... -Needle/Ice: So pretty! -Needle/Bomb: You're fat (because gordo in spanish means fat). Definitely the least needle-tier of the group due to movement, but it feels similar enough to me. I'm not a huge fan, but...eh, I already put it where I put it. Too late. *Tier G/The G is for Glunk, which will be relevant soon. This tier is...not well-formed, but it's like, all the stuff that do something, and fwoom. I like these abilities fairly well, actually.* -Spark: Yes, you can move in it. I know. But it's still kinda-ish in this tier. Too smol a radius, though. And this tier was briefly the "stay still and do something* tier. -Spark/Needle (lightning rod): BYANG! You don't move with it, but...who doesn't wanna be Smash Pikachu? -Fire/Fire (Phoenix Fire thingy): This is about where I'd rank it, but yeah, it doesn't fit *in this tier*. It's awesome, but the unwieldiness is annoying. Stone/Spark (boulder on a string): It's fun, it's funny, it's really annoying and you can't float, but like...throwing this and it ricocheting a lot is either great or really annoying. Probably deserves to be Tier B or...something, but...eh. I'm lazy now. Or not, me in the future who is putting it where it belongs. Just above the phoenix (well, below in this list form). Sure. -Needle/Cutter (OMNOMNOM): OMNOMNOMNOM This is rated too low based on sheer omnomnom factor. It's a good enough ability, but it is an *amazing* aesthetic design. -Burn/Stone (volcano): It's like holding a Glunk over your head, BUT YOU CAN TILT! And I love using Glunk over my head, because that's cool as heck. nyoom nyoom nyoom nyoom *Tier B/B is for...B tier. 21 abilities down, so we're at a typical B tier level I think* Ice: I'm not sure where to put Ice, but I really like the ability. It should probably be lower than some other stuff, ish, and as we're nearing the end...I think this is lower than some other stuff, ish. Fire: Perfect solo ability. Absolutely excellent. There's no situation where fire is *bad* aside from vertical scrolling, which isn't common and also the vast majority of abilities are also bad at. Excellent design, and I want to see what it can mix into. Perfect. Bomb/Bomb (rockets): It's rockets. SUPER cool, but also a bit meh as you covered in the video. You'd think that THIS would be the "Crash" of this game, or what I think my best ability is (haven't written this ahead of time, clearly). But alas, it's still really good. *Tier A. Top-tier, except for the exceptions in S* Stone: IT'S A STONE KIRBY. I LOVE IT. It's a STONE. KIRBY. IT'S AWESOME. Love it. Love love love love yes it's objectively slow but I'M A STONE KIRBY. Stone/Stone (BIG BOI KIRBY): BIG. BOI. KIRBY. Bomb/Cutter (ninja stars): Very, very good. I sometimes enjoyed it, somethings didn't. Very very very good though. Spark/Spark (big boi electricity): I cackle maniacally as I move with a bit of range, stop, and then EVERYTHING DIES HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. This and the drill are really close, and easily switched. Stone/Needle (drill): Gurren Lagaan aside, nyaooooooooooooooooing through levels is great. You said everything that needs to be said in the video. *Tier A+ for blades. They are not the best, but they are above A, so whatever I wrote this top, middle, category. I stopped caring.* Lightning/Cutter (da lightstaff): Yes, I call it Lightning, not Spark. Personal bias would put it above the flamesword, but this doesn't have the overhead. But it's fun as heck. I think they did a great job with the cutter mixes, *particularly* since I don't like cutter by itself. I wrote this after...fine. Whatever. Inconsistency. Fire/Cutter (da sword): You covered it in the video. It's a bit slow when you're holding it up, so that's...annoying? Honestly, this *should* be in S tier, but I do feel it's a touch down, and I don't want to make an A+ tier. *Tier S. The best* Stone/Cutter (Animals!): The creativity puts it here, and that I love stone so much. And I keep thinking the fish can move underwater. I refuse to verify that. Note that this is NOT a great thing for precision platforming, as you can roll and then die. I...might have tried to do that. Bomb/Fire (Fireworks): Fight me. There is *no one* in the world that dislikes this ability. No. There is no one in the world that this is not *one of their favorite abilities*. It is hilariously fun, doesn't slow you down (it does), has vertical movement, lets you jump through the hoops of that RGB crystal boss. It's awesome. It's perfect. Fire is a great ability. Adding bomb *should* do something cool. It does. Love it. ~~~ I think I missed an ability. Deal with it.
I'm surprised that you put flaming arrow in A tier. I never liked how I had to hold the button to make an accurate shot was during my playthrough. Don't hate you for your opinion tho. I'm also glad you mentioned how op the fire sword is lmao
I certainly did see exploding shurikan, lightning sword and fire sword my favourites and the best of the best so i aint complaining. This editing felt really good and the list did feel really accurate but refrigerator objectively best.
I WAS WAITING FOR THE DAMN REFRI FOR THE WHOLE VIDEO HAHA 😂😂 bro I cant even remember some of the abilitys like the darth maul saber BUT DAMN that refri stood with me haha
something worth noting on the start of C tier for kirby abilitys swiss army was confirmed to be cluster needle by nintendo themself when they brought the skill in kirby and the forgotten city.
I know full well that it's burning, but with adventure (and it's remake) being the *only* game to have them separate, I just group fire and burring as one (I do the same with ice and freeze)
There's one issue I have with your ranking, you don't address the flexibility of single abilities having the inherent property of being able to further combine. For instance: Cutter/Cutter is placed above single Cutter. Are you telling me you have Cutter, and chose to combine it with Cutter when anything else could've been better? just to make it bigger.
I love your point, it makes a load of sense. However, I ranked these based on each ability in a "vacuum," with it's ability combining potential being a more situational thing. Think of the rankings as more of a "if I were to be thrown into any random level with X ability without ever changing it, how good would it be, and how much would I enjoy it?" If I did rank it while considering mix potential, I would have definitely bumped cutter way up, it has some crazy good mixes
Splendid video, Ranger the Warrior! Thanks, bud! Could you make a video called "If Kirby and the Rainbow Curse Had A Crossover With Sonic Generations"?
The Kine statue would be useful, if it had it's Dreamland abilities like the other statues, you know like swimming or moving... at all. Why can't the fish swim? Why even have it be there?
Yellow double lightsaber = kirby as a Jedi Sentinel Red Sword= totally sith unstable Kyber crystal lol a kirby kyber crystal, even more wild than Kylo Ren!
My #1 is 💣+🔥. I always loved using fireworks since it had the 2nd largest blast in the game (the largest being dynamite, but that’s too risky if your nerves aren’t up for the test). #2 is ❄️+⚡️. Food that damages the enemy AND heals you on command!? I’ll take twenty, refrigerator rocks! #3 is 🪡+🪨. Giving your left thumb a break and mowing your enemies with the drill feels great. It felt SO great to someone at Hal Laboratory, they brought it back in Forgotten Land. Drill went from one 3D Kirby game to ANOTHER 3D Kirby game.
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I originally thought Dynamite was trash too, but knowing about the helmet now makes it actually ok to use for me
good for clearing the mid stage rooms with a bunch of enemies
@Armando Derival It's pretty bad, but I don't think it's quite the second worst ability in the game.
dynamite is hilarious, if it did more damage to bosses tho, thatd make it my favorite
I sucked at putting the dynamite and I forgot to put the helmet and I took damage.
That's why I don't mix stone + bomb
I know about the helmet and it's still annoying to use. You either have to hit your target directly, and immediately put on the helmet (limiting your movement), or toss it and wait for it's insanely long fuse, then block it with the helmet. All of this just gives you a slow and cumbersome attack pattern all because you have to protect yourself from your own attack. It's nice that it's the best screen clear in the game, but the waiting and the damage make it too annoying for me to want to use often.
Kirby canonically wields the chaos zweihander in this game
lmao
This video deserves so much more I love
Man, I'm really surprised by the placement of archer, curling stone, and ice skates. I hate them
Everyone's intitled to their opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
0:56 Is that a bfdi I see
Yes XD though tbh that wasn't exactly deliberate, I just typed "tear" and chose the first 7 images that popped up
@@RangerTheWarrior legit? That's cool
*when do we get the tennis ball reference*
@@SerpySerper56 IIIIII dont know, maybe if/when I do the "What if Ball was in Kirby 64" video? XD
@@RangerTheWarrior awesome beautiful
With all this bfdi talk aside the video is great!
The f tier: The first one I remembered. I generally liked Dynamite, though.
Personally, I like how the game forces you to use dynamite. I wish more shards required getting combos from other levels. Makes for some good challenges.
god that was the worst level for me lol. having to use dynamite in a whole level without dying once was just pain. the moment i saw the minecart tho my dk country ptsd kicked in and i knew it was gonna be something awful...
no.
I honestly thought the 2 in f tier would be melting ice cube and exploding light bulb
Everyone has their opinions
@@RangerTheWarrior yeah true
Volcano Is OP
YO HOW THIS GUY GOT 237 SUBS
I blame the algorithm XD
Though fear not my friend, the numbers been going up faster than usual lately, so, we'll see ;)
Fire missiles are very OVERRATED
f stone bomb
I hate all rock powers
Dwayne would not approve
BINGO the affull powers is the rock kirby
Kirby is technically the first character in history to weild a Yellow Lightsaber
Wow... you're right actually...
@@RangerTheWarrior It.. Might not actually be a lightsaber, but instead a beam sword. They're very similar, but beam swords are from Gundam, which is pretty popular in Japan. Of course, it could very well be a reference to both, but I think it's very possible that they felt more inspired by Gundam instead, since Kirby 64 only came out like, 8 months after The Phantom Menace.
@@RangerTheWarrior Batman and Robin used yellow lightsabers in an episode of super Friends
Spaceballs came out in 1987. Did you mean the first character to wield a double-ended yellow lightsaber?
@@carnage0685 I believe for Phantom Menace the teaser trailers having Darth Maul with twin red lightsaber totally inspired Kirby developers to put it in there as it was highly anticipated and hyped to the point there was already games and figures leaks :) as well as juxtaposition with Gundam references yes
Actually, regular Fire is used for regular speedrunning, too. It's really good =P Double Fire is also used a lot, and some Fire combos are used for boss fights. Basically Fire's kinda nasty in this game =P
also I would have subbed but I DO NOT ACCEPT MELTING ICE CUBE SLANDER THAT ABILITY IS HYPE (actually subbed though I enjoyed both Kirby videos! Good stuff.)
Oh geeze another Melting Ice Cube fan... 😒 /j
(Thanks, I appreciate it ^^
Melting ice cube sucks, its hard to damage enemies with, and it doesn't help with anything.
How is this good? You can die so easily with that. 🫤👎
I miss this system of copy abilities. I'd love for truly combining abilities to return instead of the elemental effects on attacks that we got in star allies.
Yeah... I agree... maybe this series is my way of coping with that? XD
Too much work I guess. Imagine all of these abilities getting varied movesets, lol.
I actually used to think that Melting Ice Cube was designed in a way that it would always hurt you in exchange for occasionally tickling an enemy in just such a way that it spontaneously combusts
Edit: Also...dynamite is a guilty pleasure of mine, just because the helmet reminds me of the Mets from Mega Man, but I do admit that it’s pretty garbage
Your right... His dynamite hat does kinda look like that, neat
I think it is met’s helmet
Actually, that hat is apparently used in Japanese construction or something. This explains why you see it in a lot of Japanese games, and here it probably fits better here than it did in Mega Man because if you want some demolition you should wear a hard hat to protect your head.
For match, that's probably not a towel but instead like the rough area they put on a match box. Kirby lights himself like a match.
The wiki says it's a towel but yeah I think you're right
It’s very similar to Wario’s ability to catch on fire in Wario Land
Its not a matchbox because the striker strip (rough part) on a matchbook is essentially sandpaper and would not bend the way Kirby uses it.
It’s also a towel bc it’s fire+SPARK! Static electricity; there are literally warnings at gas stations to not enter and exit your vehicle while pumping gas bc static electric shocks can ignite gasoline.
@@gameinsane4718 Okay, that does make sense.
It's a tinder sheet. You can find them with camping supplies. A lot of places sell them as lighting paper since the dating website has made it impossible to Google
fun fact: one of the upgrades to needle in forgotten land, clutter needle, is a reference to kirby 64's needle + needle combo, swiss army :)
I'm aware, lol
most of the abillties and upgrades in that game reference 64
Haven't finished Forgotten Land yet, but I'm so glad that was a major through-line for a lot of the variants
I call it Twitter
Edit: I hate Twitter
One function I really missed from this game that I don't hear people talking about is the ability to hold the enemies over your head instead of just spit them out. I like how of you're holding a bronto burt it almost acts like a parachute and you'll hover every time you jump and float down. Or if you hold a glunk it will keep shooting upwards and kill enemies above you
Yeah! Dude I love that mechanic so much (my favorite one is Bronto Burt)
I loved gliding with the purple pteradactyl-like creatures.
Yeeeesh the gluuuuuuuuuunk
9:13 -- As a child, I always personally called it either "Fire-Bird" or simply "Moltres".
Ooh! Sounds fancy. And I'll be honest, I was the exact same way XD
i still call it fire bird
POKEMON GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
I called it Phoenix I am a HUGE X-Men fan and anything that reminded me of Storm or Phoenix was the sh!t to me 😆
i used to call it phoenix
A thing I like about Kirby 64 is the more body horror side of the abilities
The funny
Noticing some references in forgotten land. Besides the obvious Swiss Army knife one, the dragon flame abilities fire ball move seems to take inspiration from this games double fire ability and the fridge Kirby is definitely a precursor to mouthful mode
Yeah dude, Forgotten Land has so many K64 references it's insane! No enemies this time though... sadly...
The Spark/Burning combo isn’t really a Match ability. I think of it as a Static ability due to Kirby rubbing the towel on him and then igniting.
Great video!
I’m gonna agree with you! Refrigerator is the most OP ability. You could probably use this for the entire game!
If Kirby 64 had the True Arena, fridge would be meta
I went for years without realizing you could jump in arrow form...
I feel that, I was there at one point (same with the drill going down)
Just a quick question, was this video partially inspired from Wambu's top 10 Kirby 64 abilities. You guys seem to both agree on the same best abilities (also if you haven't seen his top 10 video then I guess its a coincidence that your minds both think alike)
You'd be right XD
Hey, they're still amazing abilities either way, him and I just have similar opinions
turns out a nigh-instant projectile, a stupidly fast melee burst option, and infinite healing are pretty uncontroversially good
Double spark, fireworks, and ninja star were always my favs. They're all so broken. My least favorite was fire ice as well because of how disappointing that combo is.
I will never combo fire and ice
Also double spark is actually worse than normal spark in a way: the hitbox is AWFUL
I remember making the double sided lightsaber when I was little and I nearly lost my shit how cool it was
Yep, feel like we were all there, lol
@@RangerTheWarrior I used the plasma lightsaber against HR-H
I agree with the top because they are fun and have its nice uses, i like refrigerator more cuz is just hilarious not its actual utility, like yeah maybe a child playing the game for the first time may find infinite health busted (and it is) but when the game is so easy and how unpractical and slow attacking with food is the ability is more for giggles than useful i would say.
Also, i have so say you put Fire very low, maybe is not the most creative ability but its actually the most useful one. It demolishes enemies and makes you go very fast with clever use, one of my problems with this game is how slow Kirby movement is and how combat often ruins tha pace of the game but Fire helps with both of this issues. I actually find very fun replaying the game using mostly Fire and just seing how faster i can beat each level or the entire short game, using Fire multiple times in the air is actually very fun imo.
i love how powerful mega stone feels. the ground quakes as you walk confidentally foreward. i always liked using it in the river stage on aqua star.
Same
I think you're underrating Snowflake quite a bit here: It makes you totally invincible, has fantastic range and has a perpetual hitbox, and is visually stunning and I think fun to use, which hits a lot of the pros you give higher tier abilities. I'd at least put it in the high C's or low B's. Speaking of the Low B's, I can't see bow and arrow as any better then Bomb, which basically has the same utility but gives you far better mobility. There's a few other things I'd change (ice skates i'd put higher, for example: insane mobility and good offensive use and fun flavor/theming) but those are the main things.
Everyone's subject to their opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, Ice Crystal/Snowflake definitely deserves to be placed a bit higher. It's absolutely fantastic at destroying Magman.
Single needle has slightly fewer recoil frames which is why it's my favorite in the game. Besides fridge of course. That one is just silly and broken
You know, if they wanted fire and ice to be useful, they could have turned Kirby into a smoke bomb, spewing a continuous gas in all directions while bouncing off the ground.
Alternatively, it could have been a water gun, or a boiling pot of water that Kirby tips over and spills onto the ground. Heck, it could have even been the cleaning pitch bucket toss
You deserve way more subscribers. Good work on this video!
Heh, thanks, I appreciate it ^^
main points of disagreement here are alligator jaws (my favorite ability for its sheer range and speed), flame bow (i don't see the point in using a shitty little slow-moving ranged weapon when the melee abilities are so massive), animal statues (pitch is kinda fun but he's not worth 20 seconds of spamming B), and electric rock (how the HELL do you control that thing)
For match, Kirby can probably rub himself like hair on a balloon to charge up the electric energy and electric can start a fire too
*SPOILER ALERT, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK*
I Knew Fridge Would Be #1!
It is a pretty popular option afterall
This game was one of my childhood games as well.
It was also the first Kirby game I ever played
I feel like someone once gave you the public speaking advice of "talk slowly", and then forgot to teach you that talking in a video is different from speaking in person. You could stand to cut out your own pauses to keep a more consistent flow of words whenever you are on the same thought
I loved using double lightning in the water level where you fall down for a while. Just hold the power and it'd zap everything on its way down. So satisfying. I also loved using double fire Phoenix 🔥, and the fireworks move were a lot of fun too. The small bird Pitch was what I'd use to let my little brother play.
Stonecutter
Okay,about sword,it could be alongside water,having a shrunken down rtdl moveset,having it with "the jab" midair dash attack and dash attack.
without a doubt my favorite is the shuriquen bomb because of its speed and that it responds in an instant
I agree with the “curler needs jumps” take. I would use that ability so much if it had a jump.
If wheel + stone was a combo
@@the_yelo pretty much
once i accidentally found the ninja stars in my first playthrough i pretty much didn't use anything else lol. Little sad to see missiles rank so low they were probably the most satisfying combo for me to use.
Yeah... the AI just really pisses me off at times...
super fireball when first activated it looks more like a phenix's wings moving back to charge at something hense so i call it fire phenix
Ok I'm not the only one then XD
me: I agree with refrigerator ranking at 1st, You are technically immortal since you have unlimited ability uses and it trows food that you can use to heal.
i wish they would make a new kirby game with the fusion mechanic with the modern abilities. imagine wheel or doctor combinations.
That's some pretty smooth animation, you're getting better!
Double bladed electric lightsaber was always my jam.
I used it against HR-H
I feel like most anything combined with cutter just makes for an awesome ability. Also I like melting ice cube because of just how awful it is. I’ll try to beat bosses with just melting ice cube because it sucks
Oh yeah definitely! Idk why, it's just the case
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I usually go by Top 4: So regarding my top 4 combinations: #1. Fireworks. #2. Explosive Ninja Stars #3 Giant Stone #4. Double-Bladed Laser Sword
My favorites in no particular order: Stone Cutter, Spark Cutter, Bomb Cutter, Spark Needle, Spark Stone, Burning Bomb, Stone Needle
Objectively best in the game: Freeze Spark
I Like Them, I Just Wish They Weren't So Slow: Burning Cutter, Burning Needle, Cutter, Cutter Cutter
Disappointing: Burning Spark (should've been more like Laser or Beam!), Burning Freeze (so much potential for this one)
I will never forgive that one barricade in 4-2 which required the Stone/Bomb combo you literally couldn't even get in the level
Litterally the worst shard in that game ong
11:55 literally
I mean, it is quicker, snappier, and overall more enjoyable, so glad I'm not the only one who thinks the right way XD
Light bulb kirby (Bomb + Spark) should have been in F.
I only, respectfully, disagree, because I believe lightbulb is great for easily taking out enemies if used correctly
17:39 this is when I realized fridge is S tier
So stone is like metal, a heavy, invincible, slow ability that transforms Kirby into a ball. I see those abilities as a W🗿.
Well unlike Metal you can actually transform in and out of the stone form at will; Metal locks you in that state
@@RangerTheWarrior Oh I see. But still if those two abilities where to be in a future game like another forgotten land, they would be great. And the fact that they are different enough with metal always keeping you in your metal form and stone could be more like mega stone where Kirby could pull rocks and cover himself in those rocks, essentially creating a stone mech that can turn into a mess of rocks to roll around.
yeah, fridge is amazing. back in the days, star wars was all the hype so all my friend said that double lightsaber was the best ability... until i showed them fridge and the infinite healing it bring!
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Genuinely amazing story, what an incredible arc, lmao
I just like how much you can kill enemies with the needle + bomb ability.
Aside from that i just wish it moves faster.
minuet flaws teehe. Admittedly, typos happen (see below) AND this actually fits into the point you're making, so...yeah. Very nice video, man.
My Tier List, slight modification to Tier Names, sorta sorted within the tier:
*Tier F/I hate these:*
-Fire/Ice (melting ice): Dude, all they had to do is make the ice invulnerable or do damage to enemies, and it'd *still* be awful, but not like...*this* awful. Bottom tier, but not like...superbad awful.
-Stone/Bomb (Dynamite): Everything you said was true on the timing and potential damage to yourself. I *guess* this is kinda-ish this game's Crash ability. Sorta. Ish. Just really, really annoying to use. I was thinking about what ability would have made "Hammer" in this game. Aside from King Dedede obvs, I *think* this is the combo that would make the most sense, allowing a hammer-flip when holding B, slow movement, and explosion to the self if it's held too long. Would also make a mix of two really cool abilities into a non-trash one.
*Tier E/Underrated stuff that I don't like, don't like using, don't want, thus belong above F tier personally, but actually should belong somewhere else because I'm an idiot shut up I don't like fridge it's hard to use*
-Cutter: bleh. Looks weird/cool, but I don't like how long it is, don't like the movement changing. Just...never clicked with me.
-Cutter/Cutter (big boi cutter): So, way better, except it lasts longer, and everything in life is ruined from this.
-Ice/Spark (fridge): OKAY SO. The food is hard to launch, or you're having to drop above something, and it's weird, and I hate it. Except the food is cool as heck ha ha ice, but like. Like. Iunno. Yes it's amzing, but. Like. I never really liked it, and you can't move, and shut up everyone.
*Tier M/M is for movement. These abilities are all kinda-ish the same, and I don't love them, but like...eh*
-Fire/Spark (squeegeeman): It's funny. Kinda cool. Just kinda funny, but the auto-run is a hindrance more than not. But cool for challenges and such of trying to keep running through the level.
-Spark/bomb: issa lightbulb. yay?
-Ice/Bomb (snowman): It's a snowman! Just takes awhile to 'splode.
-Ice/Cutter (skates): Wheeee skates! Since you can't float with this ability (because then there are no skates, and what are you doing you heathen keep the ability going), it's slightly bothersome to use. Still, probably deserves to be a higher tier, but as we say in the old country, deal with it.
-Stone/Ice (curling stone): Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this one *is* fun, but yeah, no jump. Give a jump, and this is like...maybe second tier or so.
-Ice/Ice (big ol' snowball): This technically fits in this tier, but it's super fun. Annoying when it pops early, as noted in the video.
*Tier I/I is for aIming, because A is already taken. These are all aiming moves. I tend to not like them.*
-Bomb: Eh. beh. boo.
-Ice/Spark: This is where the ability *actually should go*, so y'know. But nYEH
-Fire/Needle (arrow): It's like bomb, but YOU CAN JUMP! Which is really funny, but kinda eh.
*Tier N/N is for needle. Ice has a lot of meh abilities for me; needle has a few that are needle, but moreso. And that doesn't bug me. I think it's a well done ability set.*
-Needle: issa needle
-Needle/Needle: issa bigger needle. WAY more fun due to it taking longer, and so you see stuff stuck more. But it *does* lose the anemone look, so...
-Needle/Ice: So pretty!
-Needle/Bomb: You're fat (because gordo in spanish means fat). Definitely the least needle-tier of the group due to movement, but it feels similar enough to me. I'm not a huge fan, but...eh, I already put it where I put it. Too late.
*Tier G/The G is for Glunk, which will be relevant soon. This tier is...not well-formed, but it's like, all the stuff that do something, and fwoom. I like these abilities fairly well, actually.*
-Spark: Yes, you can move in it. I know. But it's still kinda-ish in this tier. Too smol a radius, though. And this tier was briefly the "stay still and do something* tier.
-Spark/Needle (lightning rod): BYANG! You don't move with it, but...who doesn't wanna be Smash Pikachu?
-Fire/Fire (Phoenix Fire thingy): This is about where I'd rank it, but yeah, it doesn't fit *in this tier*. It's awesome, but the unwieldiness is annoying.
Stone/Spark (boulder on a string): It's fun, it's funny, it's really annoying and you can't float, but like...throwing this and it ricocheting a lot is either great or really annoying. Probably deserves to be Tier B or...something, but...eh. I'm lazy now. Or not, me in the future who is putting it where it belongs. Just above the phoenix (well, below in this list form). Sure.
-Needle/Cutter (OMNOMNOM): OMNOMNOMNOM This is rated too low based on sheer omnomnom factor. It's a good enough ability, but it is an *amazing* aesthetic design.
-Burn/Stone (volcano): It's like holding a Glunk over your head, BUT YOU CAN TILT! And I love using Glunk over my head, because that's cool as heck. nyoom nyoom nyoom nyoom
*Tier B/B is for...B tier. 21 abilities down, so we're at a typical B tier level I think*
Ice: I'm not sure where to put Ice, but I really like the ability. It should probably be lower than some other stuff, ish, and as we're nearing the end...I think this is lower than some other stuff, ish.
Fire: Perfect solo ability. Absolutely excellent. There's no situation where fire is *bad* aside from vertical scrolling, which isn't common and also the vast majority of abilities are also bad at. Excellent design, and I want to see what it can mix into. Perfect.
Bomb/Bomb (rockets): It's rockets. SUPER cool, but also a bit meh as you covered in the video. You'd think that THIS would be the "Crash" of this game, or what I think my best ability is (haven't written this ahead of time, clearly). But alas, it's still really good.
*Tier A. Top-tier, except for the exceptions in S*
Stone: IT'S A STONE KIRBY. I LOVE IT. It's a STONE. KIRBY. IT'S AWESOME. Love it. Love love love love yes it's objectively slow but I'M A STONE KIRBY.
Stone/Stone (BIG BOI KIRBY): BIG. BOI. KIRBY.
Bomb/Cutter (ninja stars): Very, very good. I sometimes enjoyed it, somethings didn't. Very very very good though.
Spark/Spark (big boi electricity): I cackle maniacally as I move with a bit of range, stop, and then EVERYTHING DIES HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. This and the drill are really close, and easily switched.
Stone/Needle (drill): Gurren Lagaan aside, nyaooooooooooooooooing through levels is great. You said everything that needs to be said in the video.
*Tier A+ for blades. They are not the best, but they are above A, so whatever I wrote this top, middle, category. I stopped caring.*
Lightning/Cutter (da lightstaff): Yes, I call it Lightning, not Spark. Personal bias would put it above the flamesword, but this doesn't have the overhead. But it's fun as heck. I think they did a great job with the cutter mixes, *particularly* since I don't like cutter by itself. I wrote this after...fine. Whatever. Inconsistency.
Fire/Cutter (da sword): You covered it in the video. It's a bit slow when you're holding it up, so that's...annoying? Honestly, this *should* be in S tier, but I do feel it's a touch down, and I don't want to make an A+ tier.
*Tier S. The best*
Stone/Cutter (Animals!): The creativity puts it here, and that I love stone so much. And I keep thinking the fish can move underwater. I refuse to verify that. Note that this is NOT a great thing for precision platforming, as you can roll and then die. I...might have tried to do that.
Bomb/Fire (Fireworks): Fight me. There is *no one* in the world that dislikes this ability. No. There is no one in the world that this is not *one of their favorite abilities*. It is hilariously fun, doesn't slow you down (it does), has vertical movement, lets you jump through the hoops of that RGB crystal boss. It's awesome. It's perfect. Fire is a great ability. Adding bomb *should* do something cool. It does. Love it.
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I think I missed an ability. Deal with it.
I think the best is ribbon/crystal, what do you think?
To me, it's not a copy ability, it's just a visual indicator
Dynamite was ok. Also I did NOT know you could jump with Flaming Arrow.
Same here. Really caught me off guard.
In the beta of Kirby 64 one of the sides of the Swiss Army ability was the angel's pitchfork from Neon Genesis Evangelion.
I would like to see evidence of this, sounds interesting
I think Drill is the olny mix to have 2 (technically 3 if you count shooting it) moves
Giant spiny snowflake trivializes boss rush and is the best power up. You value movement too highly my dude. Good video though. :)
I'm surprised that you put flaming arrow in A tier. I never liked how I had to hold the button to make an accurate shot was during my playthrough.
Don't hate you for your opinion tho. I'm also glad you mentioned how op the fire sword is lmao
Yeah no that's completely justified, I just personally find it intuitive
@@RangerTheWarrior Opinions vary i guess lol. Good video either way :)
Why have 35 brand new copy abilities when some of them are *unbalanced* or just *Trash* ? Go yell at *Nintendo* about it, do it now.
Electric rock was my favorite. But i knew damn well fridge would be number 1
I certainly did see exploding shurikan, lightning sword and fire sword my favourites and the best of the best so i aint complaining. This editing felt really good and the list did feel really accurate but refrigerator objectively best.
The lightning sword is a plasma double lightsaber
ninja stars is my absolute favorite ability. ill always bee line for it. its so fun and really broken on bosses. just spam & enjoy
All hail our lord and savior refrigerator, may it live on until the end of time (Flaming sword is my second pick.)
I WAS WAITING FOR THE DAMN REFRI FOR THE WHOLE VIDEO HAHA 😂😂
bro I cant even remember some of the abilitys like the darth maul saber BUT DAMN that refri stood with me haha
The 2 fire abilities are just burning and burning but big.
Big good video
Big good comment 👍
Bomb plus cutter is literally the ninja copy ability but with one move
i predicted the number one ability its just amazing
i played on nintendo switch online its just broken
my favorite is fireworks, but the best is fridge because it's just broken.
Basically my opinions about colors. Yellow's my favorite, but imo blue is the best
In my opinion, rock + rock is the best
Edit 1: I LITERALLY JUST POSTED THIS COMMENT AND IT ALREADY GOT HEARTED
I hate to burst your bubble but I heart every comment, lmao
Bro, no way he included teardrop from BFDI 0:58
In the future I'd avoid telling us how many powers are in a tier ahead of time. I'd summarize a tier after instead. It's more engaging that way.
Wow, that's actually a good point, thanks! I'll keep that in mind!
My favorite is Bomb + Cutter = Exploding Shuriken.
My best favorite ability is animal statues
I use pitch for speed running
something worth noting on the start of C tier for kirby abilitys swiss army was confirmed to be cluster needle by nintendo themself when they brought the skill in kirby and the forgotten city.
This video is so cool! Happy you told me about it!! I love Kirby!
No problem. Kirby is my favorite series of all time, so I'll definitely be posting more videos on it at some point
@@RangerTheWarrior “sometime”
shush RunOut, shush
My favorite Avail. In kobe sixty four is bomb+bomb
Honestly I hate how everyone calls the ability in Kirby 64 fire when it’s actually a separate ability called Burning…..
I know full well that it's burning, but with adventure (and it's remake) being the *only* game to have them separate, I just group fire and burring as one (I do the same with ice and freeze)
@@RangerTheWarrior amazing Mirror also had it separate as well. That was actually it’s last proper appearance
@@RangerTheWarrior ah okay sorry I just thought you thought it was fife even though it’s not
There's one issue I have with your ranking, you don't address the flexibility of single abilities having the inherent property of being able to further combine.
For instance: Cutter/Cutter is placed above single Cutter. Are you telling me you have Cutter, and chose to combine it with Cutter when anything else could've been better? just to make it bigger.
I love your point, it makes a load of sense. However, I ranked these based on each ability in a "vacuum," with it's ability combining potential being a more situational thing.
Think of the rankings as more of a "if I were to be thrown into any random level with X ability without ever changing it, how good would it be, and how much would I enjoy it?"
If I did rank it while considering mix potential, I would have definitely bumped cutter way up, it has some crazy good mixes
Great video 😁
Splendid video, Ranger the Warrior! Thanks, bud! Could you make a video called "If Kirby and the Rainbow Curse Had A Crossover With Sonic Generations"?
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh idk
The Kine statue would be useful, if it had it's Dreamland abilities like the other statues, you know like swimming or moving... at all. Why can't the fish swim? Why even have it be there?
Yeah I genuinely wish it had _some_ utility, but eh
Yellow double lightsaber = kirby as a Jedi Sentinel
Red Sword= totally sith unstable Kyber crystal lol a kirby kyber crystal, even more wild than Kylo Ren!
When the star wars moment
My favorite is the double stone or as I like to call it, Golem
Honestly I don't get why NORMAL sword ability wasn't in this game...because it's Kirby's MOST FAMOUS ABILITY
It's not in KDL2 or 3 either, it's too complicated for the games' mechanics ig
I enjoyed using these combos taking out Miracle Matter:
Ice + Rock, Bomb + Cutter, Spark + Cutter, Fire + Cutter, Bomb + Spike and Ice + Spike.
Yeah, all true
Cutter and Needle are basically the main ones here
My #1 is 💣+🔥. I always loved using fireworks since it had the 2nd largest blast in the game (the largest being dynamite, but that’s too risky if your nerves aren’t up for the test).
#2 is ❄️+⚡️. Food that damages the enemy AND heals you on command!? I’ll take twenty, refrigerator rocks!
#3 is 🪡+🪨. Giving your left thumb a break and mowing your enemies with the drill feels great. It felt SO great to someone at Hal Laboratory, they brought it back in Forgotten Land. Drill went from one 3D Kirby game to ANOTHER 3D Kirby game.
I could find dynamite higher on this list
I find dynamite my go-to boss ability due to it’s amazing combat condition
You didn’t mention the Zero2 fight with those powers but I get it
Ice Skating is the most fun for me