Boeing’s SECOND Bad Breakup! Why the Embraer Partnership Failed.
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2023
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A few years ago, #Boeing and #Embraer got really close to forming a partnership, that some people saw simply as a reaction to Airbus taking over the #CSeries - now called the #A220. But there is much more to this story, which could have led to an alliance that would have transformed the future of BOTH companies. Why is that, and why then did this promising deal fall through?
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Personally, I think Embraer is better off not joining Boeing.
Indeed. Boeing would have dropped every useful parts off and shutted them then down. It was very Good Luck for Embraer.
You might be right
Boeing kills other aircraft manufacturers.
and don't forget that now most of the world has seen that relying on american and european aircrafts for their needs might one day leave them without parts if what they do doesn't get the approval of the eurocnuts or ameritards.
gonna be quite bloody in the coming years as all the old corrupted by boing and airbust executives of most big airlines get to retire or get SADS'd... 😼👌
Usual american corporate tactics
As a 4 year regional pilot for the Ejet family, I will always fly Embraer. Such wonderfully put together aircraft.
as a ground handler i hate the embraer with a passion
@@einar8019 why though?
@@RoyalFlushFan cause the cargo hold is tiny, like im only 5 ft 7 and i barrely fit.
@stank what’s your other reference point? What other jets have you flown?
@@YassineSouilmi Cessna Citation, Global 5500/6500, Dash 8 Q400, and Airbus A318/19. Before I started flying, I wanted to fly A380s but after getting some time in the A318/A319, I really didn’t like it how I liked the E jets. So I switched back.
Lucky escape for Embraer.
Good on Embraer for not tainting its image with corrupt companies.
"Embraer Agrees to Pay More than $107 Million to Resolve Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Charges", _US Department of Justice_
Porter Airlines (based out of Toronto) launched their E195 E2 service this week to rave reviews. This is I think the first E195 E2 order and operation in North America. Porter now has 6 E195 E2s in service with orders for 44 more.
Speak those facts Craig
I been working on E170/175 for years and right now I start to work on A220, I have to say, personally I still think Embraer is a better airplane.
I appreciate your sophisticated recordings these days... but I truly miss your sofa and dogs!
TBH it's good that this deal didn't work out. Too much consolidation would be bad for the industry. There needs to be competition in the marketplace for it to work effectively.
Besides, Boeing has an excellent track record with mergers and acquisitions
*coughs in McDonnell Douglas*
While a certain critical mass is necessary for an aircraft builder, given the huge development costs of a new generation aircraft, having more companies involved in aviation can lead to more lateral thinking and innovation.
@@citizenblue Yeah, afterall MD bought Boeing with Boeing's money. /s
It was terrible for Embraer, they will be crushed by Airbus. I really hope that they make a similar deal with COMAC.
Not to mention some weasel selling SAAB's information to Boeing. You think it wouldn't happen? This is Boeing we're talking about here, the company McDonald/Douglas corrupted into a cash machine. The aircraft are a sideline now.
I almost completely forgot about that.
On another note, I love flying on the E190. JetBlue uses them a lot for flights from Boston to other east coast destinations, and I once saw the Profit Hunter E190 E2 when I lived in Hartford and had a beautiful apartment with a clear view of the approach path into Bradley Airport (BDL-Windsor Locks, CT)
Learning about boeing's more recent business decisions reminds my of my standard response to people's contention that CEOs deserve their astronomical pay: "I could run their company into the ground for half that rate of pay."
With that amount of money saved, you probably couldn't
I just don't trust Boeing they seem to lack a moral and rational compass.
Let not forget that current CEO is the same asshole who said third world pilots should have corrected for the mistakes of the 737max and that this would not have happened with American pilots. A person like this put profits above all else and doesn’t give a shit about people which was the root cause of the 737 max issues. How can a jerk like this fix a failing company like Boeing other then to run it into the ground? I think with my limited education and experience that I could not do a worse job than this guy.
Hire me and I will do my best to have literally 0 effect on the company, I'll only charge you 100k or so.
Yes.
I was very happy to hear that the deal fell through.
I despise Boeing and love Embraer.
A Boeing takeover would inevitably lead to Embraer being infected with the Boeing disease of greed, lying, corner cutting and complete incompetence.
I felt the same way when I learned of Boeing's "withdrawal" regarding the agreement with Embraer.
Like it or not, we know that Embraer's reputation would be tarnished due to the embarrassment faced by North Americans with its products later (737 MAX and 787 Dreamliner).
Embraer's military jet looks absolutely gorgeous!!
Embraer, I love these as a passenger, oh so much more foot room.
Embraer is better off without those CRIMINALS!
Absolutely!
Didn't realize that Embraer was Brazilian, neat.
That's ironic because it's all in the Name : EMpresa BRasileira AERonautica.
Embraer got maxed! 😯
BOEING KEEPS SHOOTING ITSELF ON THE FOOT AGAIN AND AGAIN
Another great video Petter! Really looking forward to your next video!
Great watch as always 👊🏿. I love how much information and detail goes into this coverage. As questions pop up in my head you end up essentially answering them somehow along the way in the video with the good background info leading into each story
OMG, that shark paint job looked awesome!
As a retired engineer who has worked for Embraer for 26 years both as an engineer and as a pilot, I have to confess that the deal breakup left a terribly bad impression among Embraer employees and associates of Boeing's business ethics. The wording Boeing used to justify the break up was created by some lawyer. There was no frankness and there is no detailing of the reasons. On the other hand it was clear to everyone that Boeing had no cash and had to carry out urgent cost-cutting measures to satisfy shareholders. The problem is exactly that: shareholders want immediate financial results. They do not care about the long term scenarios. In a nutshell: Boeing will continue to struggle for engineering capacity, will not be able to add new customers by selling smaller aircraft and quite possibly Embraer will sustain its business, and may even become a competitor to Boeing further down the road.
Your last sentence: Let us hope so.
It is a shame. Boeing used to be an engineering company, but when the accountants and MBA's took over they began missing the forest for the trees. The 737 MAX fiasco, among other things, was a result of that.
LeverPhile .. it has been a completely 'corporate greed' and profits at the cost of safety/quality... driven company.. since at-least its merger with McDonnell Douglas.
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Even outsourcing core processes to subcontractors... where even a ten year old could have been signing off on job-sheets, completion certificates.. for all Boeing cared.
@@sailaab That's right ... McDonnell Douglas management effectively took over Boeing and focused on Financials above all else.
@@LeverPhile I believe the running joke of that is that McDonnel Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's own money. Rather amusing, but equally depressing to see as an aviation fan and aspiring aviator.
My son flys a Embraer 175. Always stating all the redundant safety features and advanced safety features compared to other airline companies.
bombardier 1992 was a boeing companie Havilland
This was great ,Petter. My son worked on several Embraer aircraft types when he got out of school. Now I know what they looked like. He's now working on 737's, 777's and 787's as an Avionics Tech with American.
Gotta love that plural!
Nice vid, greetings from Sant Celoni!!
I can never understand why companies like Quantumscape that produces absolutely nothing of tangible value other than hype has a higher valuation than companies like Embraer.
Because Embraer is brazilian all business here are undervaluation.
In Germany a Pizza Delivery Service is member of the Stock Exchange, but not a couple of major Industrial Companies and Banks. So, don´t care about it. It´s Business as usual and don´t mean anything in Real Life.
Embraer quality control was to high and stringent compared to Boeing standards
great work man! thanks for sharing! keep it up! (would love to know about the history of airlines, like our Greek arilines here, Olympic, Aegean, etc.)
Olympic Airways:
Founded & built by Onassis & then flown into the ground by the Greek State over the course of 30 years or so.
@@LeverPhile more or less 😎
I remember the days where i only had to try and skip ads once with soapy hands when trying to wash the dishes! Not 3 times!
Very interesting video, as always 🙃
I worked for Embraer for almost 10 years at the US unit (Fort Lauderdale). Am glad I was no longer there to bear witness to this morale-crushing loss.
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KLM is a regular partner of Embrear. Whenever a regional jet is flying over my head, I can be pretty sure it is an Embraer.
Their safetyrecord seems to be impeccable. Ever since I got interested in aviation, I haven't read about a single incident with one of their aircraft.
Dear Dirk. As far as I remember, the only fatal accident with an E-Jet was one where a chinese pilot with serious mental issues committed a mistake and crashed the plane during landing.
@@flavioc5389 How long is that ago?
@Flavio C There was an african one that the pilot decided to commit su1c1d3 and take all the passengers with him. Crashed edrpose,
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg I believe this accident occurred with a company from Mozambique in 2013.
There was another one where 2 pilots died right after take of because of unbalanced fuel between both wing tanks. The FO forgot to turn off the pump during the refueling so one wing had a lot more fuel than the other. To make things worse they didn’t go over that in the checklist (it showed them that it was unbalanced but they just didn’t see it)
There was another one where a embraer legacy crashed midair with a Boeing 737, all people on the 737 died and the embraer legacy only lost its wingtip and was able to make it to the ground safely with no injuries
It seems like Boeing reputatation as a company is not what it used to be anymore
Great video mister
I had no idea all this was going on! Very informative! Thank you!
It's time to revisit this deal with new Boeing management.
Shortly after the Boeing/McD merger I knew someone in parts acquisition at Boeing. She had loved her job. She now hated it. Why? Because now that there was less competition in the aerospace parts industry, the new Boeing intended to squeeze its suppliers. She was tasked with contacting them with a dictate that said in essence: "This is to notify you that we have been paying you $100 for this part. In the future we will only pay you $80."
There's been a lot of discussion about how the merger destroyed Boeing's safety first culture. More needs to be said about how that merger also made Boeing mean. The way it exited its planned joint agreement with Embraer illustrates that all too well, as does how cruelly Boeing has dealt with the victims of the two 737MAX crashes.
Great video, and I'm looking forward to part 2. Subscribed a long time ago.
I wonder if Mentour Pilot would love to fly with the bicycle steering of the Embraers?
Really Good Luck for Embraer - and Boeing once again messed up.
Silly scope clauses.
I am Brazilian and I am very thankful this deal did not take place. Boeing would destroy Embraer, get all the good practices and then kill the the brand, I saw this many times in Brazil; Ford bought a Brazilian car maker in the northeast of Brazil, Troller, a jeep like off road vehicle that was very popular and praised by off-roaders, Ford only bought the company to continue receiving fiscal incentives from government for automakers installed in the poor northeast states, this fiscal tax reductions would benefit mainly the Ford Camacari plant in Bahia, northeast of Brazil, as this plant would not receive any more benefits after 2013 (the plant started in 2001). Ford abandoned Brazil and kill the brand Troller, it did not want to sell to a Brazilian big group (Troller would be a direct competitor to the ford Bronco, imported to Brazil from Mexico). It is better Embrear continues alone or have an HONEST share with the big ones.
Ford out= BYD in.
Indeed, exactly. Boeing would have transferred the parts of the Company, which were from interest for them, into the US, and would have closed the rest of the Shop. Very simple and the usual way of doing Business.
Troller deserved tbh. They grew here in Santa Catarina state and received a lot of money from the state so they would grow, just to go to northeast Brazil because it had cheaper labor.
@@LuizHartkopf Como assim "ir para o Nordeste" se a marca nasceu no Ceará?
First Bombardier, then Embraer.
Boeing, Boeing, Boeing, Gone!!!
My favorite internet title " The story of Boeing gets sadder and sadder".
I really like Embraer's business jets!
Man - Boeing should be very happy the 787 has worked out so crazy good. Everything else they have touched in the last few years has been a disaster, included their image with other plane makers.....I would be extremely hesitant to go into any deal with this bunch....let them implode all on their own!
From the point of view of a passenger, the 787 is the best aircraft to long range flights available nowadays. Of course that many people love the A380, specially if you fly business, but my favorite is the Dreamliner.
787 sells well but hasn’t been very profitable you can sell a lot of something but at cost or below just means more you sell the more you loose
I flew the E175 for a while, so glad they finally went full FBW, was a very nice flying aircraft but a bit weird with FBW only on pitch and yaw
Great video, as always.
3:02 Brazil is a federation of states, actually. So it's not "the Brazilian state"
Ele quis dizer Estado como nação
@@bergson10 Não é verdade, presta atenção: "the Brazilian state retains a vetoing interest and also holds shares". Ele não está a falar da nação, ou do país. Está a falar do governo federal.
Å ja, det var derfor ja. takk for det!
Very good, thanks
Thanks again Mentour !
👍👍 Really interesting - waiting for part 3 ..
Maybe Boeing should just have minded it's own business instead of trying to destroy Bombardier and Embraer.
Boeing will soon regret of what they've done. Embraer is an extraordinary company
For the first time, this video went above my head! Thanks anyway Mentour!
Really?! In what way?
I'm an engineer but I'm afraid to admit this was very technical for me. Or maybe I need more coffee!
Excellent as usual. Thanks!
I was one of the first 100 subscribers to this channel kind sir. Your videos are awesome! Thank you.
>missed opportunity for the new best friend meme
Sad. Many such cases.
The management of Boeing is stunningly bad. A fine example was their insane move to South Carolina, a move that was little more than union busting. Everett, has a trained and experienced production community - they understandably expect to be paid. The production problems in South Carolina are well reported. This is Boeing … a management rich beyond avarice and everyone below them are part of “cost cutting”. In the meantime they have had product failure after product in pretty much every division of their company. If they weren’t propped up by the US, municipal, state and federal governments through: NASA; the various tax codes, and a corporate shopping list of government “programs” and “incentives”, they would have gone under a long time ago. Sadly, in this kind of mess it is ALWAYS the employees who suffer while the “executives” get rich beyond avarice.
Of course what makes it worse is that those "executives" are going to blame the employees - "the unions sent us broke!".
Another interesting video? Well done, Petter!
Petter, Aermacchi is pronounced "Aermakki", the chi in italian is pronounced "ki". Like "Lamborghini" is pronounced with hard G. Thanks for the story.
I think the reason this deal fell through is a different attitude to the meaning of the word "partnership " between ridiculously highly "confident" and paid Boeing top managers and other potential partners. To Brazilians Embraer is a mainstay of national pride and the government would have never allowed it to loose sovereignty. I very much hope though that Embraer finds a way and does no fall into a deeper trap seeking for a partnership in the far east.
True that
Benfield partnership with with China, are we still trying to make an civilian aircraft. India, in the other hand, could be an option, if they raise their hand, Embraer is ready for a partnership, as they did with Saab
Boeing has worked very hard to make the company unfriendly to engineering staff. It's funny that now they have a problem with running low on engineering capability. I work with people who worked at Boeing in the 90s, and who subcontracted to Boeing more recently, they describe Boeing as being hollowed out.
That's the opinion most people had of Boeing after they merged with McDonnell Douglas in the 90's. Boeing went from an engineering company run BY engineers FOR engineers to being an engineering company run by accountants and wall street investors.
Boeing is no longer a great engineering company
Work hard and you will succeed!
If it's Boeing, I'm not going.
@@jtjames79 I wish it was that easy. Often, an airline is the only option between A and B and they insist on only flying Boeing. Ryanair is a good example in Europe. But if there is an alternative, I will gladly pay little extra to avoid the bad airlines.
👍👍 Really interesting.... mister 🙂🙂🙂
It would be great if Embraer (& SAAB) and TATA collaborate together for BRICS markets. That will be a successful venture for sure.
Alliance of India, Russia, and Brazil air companies (who would supplement each other really well) would be amazing, but then rabid nato might blow a gasket in impotent fury...
Never happen… China has been after embrear for years
You would think that, at 67 years old, I would not squeal with delight every time Petter uploads a video.
Absolutely agree. Me a B 787 DE find him a very knowledgeable and a fantastic person. Like to meet him in person
I hope I still do if God gives me life to age 67 😄
Creepy
Nothing better than having something that makes you squeal wil delight.
Yes you should be ashamed :)
C390 is an excellent jet. Way better than ancient c130
Honestly, i feel sad about Boeing. Such a great company with a beautiful history going backwards like this. As a brazilian, i am very proud of embraer and received the news about boeing-embraer with a lot of distrust. Now, for me, it's very clear that it was Boeing who spoiled the agreement.
Yet another example of Boeing’s toxic management?
For sure!
I'm sure this whole affair would be easier to understand if you'd used dolls representing the different manufacturers.
I did once travel in a Bandeirante from Oulu to Kuusamo in northern Finland. It was already an old specimen, brown upholstery that was shredded in places, and the whole plane vibrated. I was very young, not yet at school, but had beem traveling by air quite a lot, as my dad worked for Finnair. But that meant I was mostly used to DC-9s and MD-80s, had also traveled to California once in a DC-10. So a small shabby turboprop with weird colours made me a bit suspicious (I thought all airplane interiors should be blue and white as I'd only ever been inside the Finnair planes.)
Petter/Mentour,
Great video, subject, and analysis - thank you!
Paul (in MA USA)
“Boeing attempting to not pay the breakup fee” - wow, “what a surprise”, Boeing being Boeing yet again…
Yes.
I’m a Curiosity subscriber because of you. I’ve signed for one year and I loved!
7:35 IAE V2500**
11:00 - This screams Rolls Royce innovation mule 😂
Nice to learn about their quality.
See if you can make a similar film about the Hilux.
Thanks for this bang it's appreciated.
Thank you and have a great week.
Boeing is defended here by the American government, but clearly they just bailed on a deal because they were unwilling and unable to pay. Their argument is ridiculous and fails to establish context. Embraer on the other hand clearly wins the argument.
If these were 2 american companies, boeing would've seen 100 million in buy-out clause fees on their doorstep.
Boeing sounds like an awful company to deal with. Super aggressive and oppositional. That kind of behavior does catch up with you, Boeing. Business karma is real.
Boeing Executives in the 10 years ending in 2019 spent over $43 BILLION to "raise stock prices", and of course their own paychecks. Consequently they were a bit short on cash. Additionally, since the McDonnell Douglas partnership, Boeing does not seem to value Engineers as they used to. Rather, they now seem to place more emphasis on manipulating finances, lowering pay by moving to low paid locations (S. Carolina) and outsourcing work previously done by Boeing itself..
The failure is all Boeing as usual
I am sure that we will have a video about qatar and airbus , really excited for that one
Yes! Me too! By the way, in the next video about Boeing's future, Petter could include some insights about what will happen with the Boeing/Qatar deal during Qatar's dispute with Airbus...
Maybe Boeing decided that after the lousy downturn merger with McDonnell Douglas, that the Embraer merger might be the same ?
03:12 We'd really like a separate video of it! Please!!
Petter, you mentioned something about their (Boeing) engineers being close to retirement. Is this another reason why they have put a hold on new aircraft design? 🤔
Loving these breakdowns you and the team are doing. Very interesting 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Probably. Creating an entirely new model as their primary airframe would require huge investments into engineering subsequent versions and equipment, aswell as establishing an entirely new network for partsd supply and service. The "cheaper" way that Boeing is seemingly going consists in waiting for Airbus' next generation and then developing a competitor based on that. Though this would mean to cede a considerable lead to Airbus. But that's what Boeing has become, the no. 2.
It’s not about engineers retiring a few months ago. They actually hired thousands of engineers last year, and will this year. It has to do with more Boeing waiting for the digital tools to mature further to create a new clean sheet design, and for a bigger leap in the current engine technology. Remember, Boeing will come out with a new plane, but only if it gives a 20-30% improvement in efficiency, which the current designs and propulsion do not.
Thanks for the input guys 👍🏾
@@Jack3md This assumes they will still have the resources to do that once the time finally comes. But I guess they can always force their congress puppets to bail them out...
@@KuK137 Bail them out? What? Lol, Boeing is nowhere near and will not need a "bail out". Since the covid lockdowns Boeing has been slowly, but surely improving and over the next 2-3 years you will see huge improvements in their overall results mainly due to higher deliveries in the 737 and 787, plus the introduction of the 777X. To simplify, Boeing will be fine and only a clown without an understanding of them would think they need a bailout from the government for their next commercial airplanes program
Bedankt
Thank you!
I am licenced, as an engineer, on both, the A220 and the E2, both are good aircrafts but what kills them is the Engine, PW has biiiiig problems, the A220 also has Fuselage corrosion issues, made in china but airbus is going back to use standard aloy
It was due Max grounding. It broke boeings legs.
Culture. The existing culture at Boeing is at times contrary to innovation and change. One of the problems Boeing has is a very top down management style. Moving the headquarters from Seattle to Chicago and now Washington DC is viewed in the lens of monetary considerations rather than development and construction of innovative designs necessary to compete in the 21st century. If you're primarily a military contractor than being closer to Washington DC would seem to be a prudent move. However if you want to be closer to design and innovation then the West Coast is the place to be. Additionally the west coast culture seemed to rub the higher ups at Boeing with their labor demands. Building in South Carolina looked like a good decision in light of "right to work" attitude in the US southern states.
The West Coast does have a lot of engineering jobs, but so does the Southeast, especially in aviation and spaceflight. Most of NASA and much of the Air Force's R&D has been in the Southeast for half a century or more. The trend (not just in aviation, but R&D in general,) though, has been away from the West Coast for a while now. Prices in the Bay Area and Seattle have become ridiculous to the point that engineers don't want to move there anymore. And the progression of technology allowing remote work to become commonplace was already well underway, but dramatically accelerated by Covid. Who wants to pay thousands of dollars a month for a small apartment in the city or else have an hour commute to own a decent home? Speaking as an engineer myself, I sure don't. There's a reason that cities like Nashville and Austin have been growing very rapidly, but that trend has really been for the whole Southeast and Covid has only accelerated it.
And, yes, the Boeing unions brought the South Carolina plant upon themselves. When you cost the company hundreds of millions or billions of dollars with stupid strikes just to flex your muscle and show how much control you have, it shouldn't come as much of a shock when they make moves to mitigate that risk for the future.
"Embraer did not satisfy the necessary conditions."
Yeah, Embraer suddenly was to big for the troubled Boeing finances.
Boeings press release is finest lawyer speak, that seems to blame Embraer, for Embraers success. 😂
Is legal the only department in Boeing that actually knows what it's doing?
Hopefully Embraers finances are improving these days. Maybe to a degree enabling them to design a 140 to 175 seat capacity long range plane, with options for larger variants?
Once upon a time, Boeing was an prestigious engineering company. Now it's a shell of it's former self. Don't get me wrong, there are still some talented engineers there in some areas, but make no mistake, bean counters who have trouble seeing past a 12 month time horizon have taken over.
The pronunciation is Em-brah-air. Not Embreyr.
Thanks!
Thank you!!
I always feel like ur stalking me when you show the Boeing plant as I go by it almost daily where I live lol jk thanks for the video
The E175 is surprisingly noisy at KPAE.
I did a paper on the Boeing/Airbus joint venture for a 747 replacement. My conclusion was that Boeing sucker-punched Airbus. Boeing strung Airbus along with feints, thereby delaying Airbus' own jumbo development and leaving Boeing with an extended monopoly on the jumbo.
Embraer is actually doing a lot better as a business than most people (and companies) are realising.
Disgraced CEO, Dennis Muilenburg nearly broke Boeing. He really was a thoroughly repellent character too.
Boeing will carry the Burden of Dennis Muilenburg for a long time to come.
The only reason Boeing still exists is US government, otherwise the company would be part of the recent past history.
15 minute video can be summed up in 20 seconds: aviation industry tanked globally and Boeing was in dire straits due to 737 Max problems as well.
Ahh, yes. Isn’t it fantastic how nuanced things can be summed up in seconds.
The thing is though, without nuance you really learn very little and understand even less.
That’s why we don’t only teach pilots to “pull back to go up, push forward to go down and use those throttles if you want to go faster or slower”.
The truth lies in the details.
Have a great day.
@@MentourNow that’s correct.
It must be difficult to trust Boeing in the 737 replacement proces after the Max failiures. So maybe the project wont come at all.