@@kanu4354 probably, but i'd like to know what specifically they got hit for. theres a lot of footage in this video that i can't find the original footage of and honestly that's kinda suspicious.
Just thought I would mention most people said the jaws attack attacks were actually committed by a bull shark due to the location because it was more common for bull sharks be around there than a great white I think they chose the great white though for the movie just because it was scarier
Animals that we normally perceive in our heads as being gentle giants actually turning out to be killers somehow makes them a whole lot scarier and creepy than the ones we usually perceive as just predators
Doubly so for herbivores, everyone expects them to be nice little plant eaters who only run away, but some of them while absolutely fight to the death more than a predator. simply because they have the energy to burn on a fight that predators often can't afford
It's kinda funny, Levyatan wasn't discovered til 2008 I believe, and Monstro was just made up as a coincidence. Since sperm whales only have teeth on their lower jaw, originally in the Pinocchio book Monstro was a giant dogfish.
Livyatan isn't on the same level as megalodon anymore since the new study of shimada and the new spine set of megalodon which shows us he was much much longer than any livyatan
@@GhostTheGoated Is this new study about that hyper predator who everyone thought was a giant predatory whale but it turns out was just a massive Megalodon?
@CollegeBallYouknow To my knowledge, an official study hasn't been submitted about the Yellowstone Hyperpredator, but it has been officially confirmed that it was a massive Meglodon though. I'm interested to read the study when it comes out.
@@GhostTheGoatedsize doesn’t matter most of the time, not tryna sound like a fanboy but I’m pretty sure livyatans are more intelligent then megalodons so it would still win the fight depending if it ambushes the megalo.
It doesn't need to fight. It just needs to be a good competitor in the food chain. And well, Sharks don't do well in the same environment Whales do. @@S1ayer585.
I'd just like to mention that shortly after Jaws was released, there was a movie named Orca: the killer whale released. It fuses aspects of both Jaws and Moby Dick within it's story. Basically a fisherman kills the titular killer whale mate and baby during a botched capture attempt and goes on a revenge rampage, attempting and ultimately, successfully killing all the members of the ship and other members of the same fishing community. Like in Moby Dick, the rampaging animal actually triumphs over the humans and unlike Jaws, it does have a "eco" messaging as in, it's a good thing the rampaging animal won.
Yeah, after Jaws Dino DeLaurantis was pretty determined to outdo it. He also did the 70's King Kong Remake and said "When Jaws Die, nobody cry. When King Kong Die, everybody Cry!" And Orcas are smart. Back in the 1900's there was a whaling town where the Orcas teamed up with the whalers. The Orcas would alert the townsfolk to when and where the Baleen Whales were, and even herd them. The Whalers would give the Orcas the parts of the whale that they didn't want like the tongues, which are what the Orcas wanted.
sorry, but its Ghost Leviathan, Sea Treader Leviathan, Reefback Leviathan, Gargantuan Leviathan, Sea Dragon Leviathan, Reaper Leviathan, and Sea Emperor Leviathan, if talking about that entity in Subnautica. also, it’s spelled differently than livyatan, but they nearly sound the same.
@@hypnotoad5861after all Bruce was great white that mostly not eating fish, especially the one that around Marlin and Dory size. Yet its a different matter for Bruce's friends
We know that Moby Dick was inspired by real events (the sinking of the whaling ship Essex) but what if I told you there was another whale that is even scarier than Moby Dick? His name is Porphyrios and he sunk hundreds of ships for over 50 years during the Byzantine Empire.
The overall story was based on the Essex incident, but its appearance was based on Mocha Dick, a real life albino sperm whale. It was aggressive, had many harpoons sticking from its side from previous attempts, and exceptionally large (though slightly smaller than the reported size of the bull that sank the Essex).
Did you know, the guy who made Jaws spent the rest of his life trying to improve the lives of sharks after the movie because the impact of the movie to sharks was an increase in shark m/rders. A world without sharks could be the end of the world itself, which is why a shark d3ath increase worried the creator of Jaws
Honestly, the relationship between livyatan and megalodon and would probably be similar to the relationship seen in lions and tigers in Northern India. With them actively avoiding another.
honestly it seems more like livyatan was megalodons predator, the way orca eat great white sharks today by ganging up on them and taking turns ripping out chunks.
@@Ninja1Ninja2 Orcas are much bigger then great whites. I would think that even a group of livyatan would not risk attacking a adult megalodon that was possibly way bigger than them.
That's very doubtful. Megalodon were the ultimate top predators. They operated higher up the food chain than any other predator in history. Having the highest levels of nitrogen-15 of any predator, past or present. It goes without saying Megaldon was an apex predator, but it was more than that. Having such a high level of nitrogen-15 means, without any doubt, Megalodons diet consisted of other top apex predators. We know Megalodon ate whales, we know Megalodon ate apex predators, so put the two together, and you get a rather convincing argument of the interaction between the two. Lyvathan was shark food.
Its pretty incredible that as large as Leviathan was and how cool of a whale it was, the currently living Blue Whale dwarfs it, being about 3 times heavier and around 10m ( 50-ish feet) longer. And unlike whales like Perucetus Colossus that might have rivaled the Blue Whale for size, we can acctually see Blue Whales with our own eyes, would be so fricking awesome if I ever managed to see one IRL.
I was expecting this video to be a what-if scenario, on how a Jaws movie starring a rogue whale would have affected the global perspective of such animals and their population.
You're prolly too young to have seen it back then, but NOONE thought Bruce to be a Megalodon. The main reason is, that it was classified as a "Carcharodon" species and wasn't put in the correct order - "Carcharocles" - until the late 1990s... in other words: Megalodon didn't hit pop-culture way after even the 5th part.
As a zoomer, I genuinely did not know that a single person even thought it was a megalodon. Everyone I've ever seen talk about it has always just referred to it as a really big great white
I suspect Livyatan and meg would have avoided each other like the plague. Like you said, just not worth it. Both had sensory capabilities to avoid interaction - and would have used them. Unless... meg approached the young in a pod. Then, game over. Huge brain, huge body mass, huge bite force and most importantly, a coordinated group defense would have sent the torn-up meg to the bottom. Not without cost to the pod, but most likely.
@@Dysfunctional_Reprint and fun fact, modern sperm whales, especially when the whale is a part of a pod, will and have been recorded going out of heir way to kill rival orca pods that had killed their calfs
I thought this video was gonna be more about how Jaws started a culture of the public thinking all sharks were heartless, monstrous killing machines, and it resulted in many sharks being killed, and if jaws had been about a whale, it's the whales who would've suffered But this was cool too
@@francissemyon7971 yeah and that was probably the first time the average person would have heard of the Meg in 1975. There was no shark craze, no internet and it’s not something they teach in schools.
Imagine if Livyatan hadn't gone extinct and it was the cause of the sinking of the Titanic due to ramming? What would that mean for shipping world wide for the millennia humanity has had ships?
@@erichtomanek4739 If an animal that big existed you bet we would’ve harvested every single one of them until they evolved to be smaller or straight up go extinct
The Miocene epoch Oceans were nightmare fuel. Everybody talks about the Megladon but the Miocene Oceans were full of other deadly predators. Another raptorial cetacean was the Brygmophyseter a cetacean that was similar to modern orcas but with much larger teeth and most marine biologists feel that Brygmophyseter most likely formed pods like modern orcas.
The mechanical shark used in the movie was nicknamed Bruce ON SET, it wasn't like the shark's character's name in the movie... I've never once heard anyone EVER claim the shark in Jaws was a megalodon. So it can't be that common. It's not "based" on a great white, they confirm several times in the movie that the shark IS a great white. And we already have a movie where Jaws was about a whale... It was called Orca.
@@DocJerky The shark is Jaws was 25 feet long, which was understood at the time as being the largest great white ever caught (but further analysis indicates, it was about 20 or so.
Fun Fact: The author of the Jaws book, regretted writing it. For the rest of his life he worked for shark conservation and education. Steven Spielberg has done nothing.
Yeah. On land, hypercarnivores as big as polar bears were a lot more common, like large machairodonts, hyaenodonts and amphicyonids, as were a variety of large herbivores. And in the oceans, macroraptorial sperm whales ruled the seas alongside mega-toothed sharks.
@@beastmaster0934 yeah. You had things like acrophoca (The giant leopard seal) or simbakubwa (A genus of hyaenodont) and those things were very successful at what they did
Megas use their cheek muscles to move the water through their grills so they don’t need to swim to get the water into their grills,I think it’s pretty cool
@@shafqatishan437 Livyatan Mevillei skull size is roughly the same size as extant sperm whales but the Livyatan had jaws and teeth that suggested it was a surface hunter all raptorial cetaceans have a higher intelligence. The difference would be negligible.
I was completely unaware that some people mistakenly thought Bruce was a Megalodon. I always knew he was meant to be an unusually-large (and unusually-aggressive) great white.
@@hsalfesrever3554 Are you good? You didn't even do research, Bruce is a male great white obviously, and is 25 GODDAMN FEET LONG, which is only 1 FOOT SMALLER THAN TWICE THE LONGEST MALE GREAT WHITE, not only that, but in terms of weight, which is more of a scientific measurement of size, he is 3 tons, male great whites are around 600 kg which isn't even 1 TON!!! not only that, but the females who are considered bigger than males, don't reach his size either, at 15-16 ft, and 2 tons... He is bigger than any great white shark to ever exist...not only that either... The largest great white ever who was a female was 20 ft long, that's not even as big as him... he is a tank of a shark...THERE WAS A NEED FOR A BIGGER BOAT
Honestly Livyatan deserves more recognizing. For some reason people are always scared of prehistoric sharks when in reality, sharks only were true top predators (in the sense that no one ate them) for a few million years. However in any other time span they would be killed by giant predatory fish (Possibly Hyneria or Dunkleosteus), Carnivorous giant amphibians (Possibly Prionosuchus), crocodilians (Such as Deinosuchus or Dakosaurus), pliosaurs (Like Pliosaurus or Liopleurodon), mosasaurs (Such as Clidastes and Tylosaurus) and finally whales (Basilosaurus, Livyatan and orcas) so sharks aren't really the worst thing to fear in the ocean (Day #2 of suggesting a video on the cave fossa) (sorry for the long paragraph I wrote)
But in this case, the Megalodon was well and truly the apex predator of its ecosystem. Nitrogen isotope studies have placed it at a higher trophic level than any other predator in history. A higher trophic level than any of the predators you mentioned in your comment. This thing was eating predators that were eating other predators, which were eating prey. The Miocene oceans were vastly more terrifying than the oceans are today.
@@snakewithnolegs the only thing that would make livyathan scary to megalidon is that it’s a pack hunter But maybe since it’s a whale and some whales socialize with humans Then there would be dumb poachers and hunters to probably end them off
Fun fact, orcas have been actively hunting great whites and just eat their livers and reserchers noticed some tagged sharks migrating and that's how we found out 😅
@@-MansBestFriendi disagree,humans are way to small for a whole adult megalodon to eat let alone feed on,a great white shark fits the place better for the movie.
@@muebleriascad6604 oh sorry! If I’m being honest I never actually saw the movie just got an explanation from my mom. I shouldn’t have made commentary on it without having actually watched.
@@n0body550 dolphins are actually odontoceti. Toothed. Whales. All dolphins are whales, but not all whales are dolphins. Do your research before trying to show your intelligence, otherwise you are only showing your Stupidity.
The shark was not named Bruce, not in the book, not in the movie. Bruce was a name applied to all the mechanical robot sharks used in filming. It's a joke name. The Australian Great Barrier Reaf ha a lot of Great Whites, and Australians love to name their boys Bruce. There is even a Month Python sketch about that.
So this isn’t really “What if Jaws had been a whale” so much as “check out this totally awesome prehistoric beast!” Not complaining or anything, this was very fascinating to learn about, and these whales truly are awesome incarnate; was just making a joke about the title
If you want an idea on how terrifying this can be, just watch The Plague of Madness Episode from the show Primal. The episode follows a caveman & his Trex trying to escape a massive Sarupod, which has been infected by a disease that turned it into a bloodthirsty zombie. It’s absolutely terrifying seeing this once peaceful slow dinosaur the size of a skyscraper move at an uncannily fast speed and colossal strength, while being driven to murder everything around it, is simply bonechilling to witness.
@@Teo-uw7mh how tf is this a bot comment? It's real dvmbass, it hasn't joined like hours ago with a bunch if subs, and it references another show which ChatGPT or any other AI chatbot thing wouldn't do, learn how to find an actual bot comment dvmbass, it doesn't even have an NSFW pfp to instantly make you believe, man you're so ungullible, stop being a weirdo
There was actually an Orca jaws knockoff in the 90s, but as far as I know it was a flop. And livyatan is one of my favorite prehistoric whale species 🐳 🐋
Please note at 3:07 the 'exceptionally large male' at nearly 21 meters. Livyatan was big, but the modern Sperm Whale is still #1 for hunting predators in Earth's history. Look at the size of that silhouette. It's a nightmare next to Livyatan.
Ive seen Jaws and Orca. Orca was scarier, because of their intelligence. Although if a whale had a vendetta with me, i jist quit fishing, and move to kansas. Good luck finding me there Orca!
That magic shark from Jaws : The Revenge would find you. If it can somehow sense it's enemy is in the Bahamas and follow them there then Kansas is easy. You'd be minding your own business one day when boom! A shark in a helicopter is flying towards you.
They already did that, it's called "Orca: The Killer Whale". Richard Harris is in it. And also Moby Dick. The poster said, "Before the Shark...there was the Whale."
I was halfway through typing a comment saying "imagine livyatans were social and traveled in pods" just as he said they were probably highly social and if you saw one there was probably more TERRIFYING
So basically, 2 of the largest predators coexisted at the same time period, and at the same regions. One having the strongest bite known on the animal kingdom And the other one having the largest biting tooth ever discovered
I made a Powerpoint presentation about Livyatan Melvillei a year ago, when I was in Grade 7. Everyone was so amazed that such a creature existed. This is unfathomably my favorite extinct predator of all time.
The most dangerous whale on record is Porphyrios, who raised havoc in the Bosphorus straits, ramming ships and causing such damage to shipping that the Roman emperor himself called a hit on it.
As a sucker for storytelling, I'm a bit disappointed that this video wasn't a retelling of JAWS but instead of a great white shark attacking people it was the livyatan. But this is cool too.
Unfortunately wolves do same damage to pregnant ewes when slaughtering penned sheep, saw it, horrific. (Flocks need better protection, not slaughtering wolves, the unfortunate results)
Whale like this might have changed the whole human history. If Livyatan had been aggressive, it might have started attacking boats and preventing people to travel at seas. Sailors have often told stories about scary sea creatures, but in the end there is only few large animals that even attacked boats when they were hunted. Livyatan was also likely very intelligent so it might also start hunting humans/ships to prevent them from stealing prey and/or hunting Livyatan themselves.
I'd also argue that the leviathan is most likely much smarter than the Meg. Cetaceans tend to be in another league compared to fish. This would most likely give it the edge
Megaldon might have made a less dangers predators then Burce, we know that Orca almost never target humans in the wild as were not worth the effort as a food score.
While it is true that megalodon and Livyatan generally avoided confrontation, it was megalodon that won the metaphorical war since it outlasted the Livyatan by at least a couple million years.
Meglodon was much larger than Livyatan. This is nothing like Orcas vs Great Whites because Orcas are at least 3 times as heavy as Great Whites on average. The size advantage is actually given to the shark this time. Meg wins 70/30.
@BBC_KIKG There is no evidence that they would have lived or hunted in groups. Modern sperm whales live in groups but do not hunt in groups. Every other species of sperm whale hunts on its own and does not live in groups either. There is no evidence to support your claim.
Hey everyone, just a heads up, I had to remove the first 26 seconds of footage so apologies for the abrupt start! Enjoy 🐋
why did you have to remove the footage? (genuinely curious)
@@lt.dancepants probably copyright?
@@kanu4354 probably, but i'd like to know what specifically they got hit for. theres a lot of footage in this video that i can't find the original footage of and honestly that's kinda suspicious.
Just thought I would mention most people said the jaws attack attacks were actually committed by a bull shark due to the location because it was more common for bull sharks be around there than a great white I think they chose the great white though for the movie just because it was scarier
it could also be a brygmophyseter shigensis
Animals that we normally perceive in our heads as being gentle giants actually turning out to be killers somehow makes them a whole lot scarier and creepy than the ones we usually perceive as just predators
It's like finding out your nice, quiet neighbor was essentially a war criminal but only free because he fought for the country
Cujo was a very good movie c:
That’s one of the reasons ik the mad sauropod in Primal was so effective, a sauropod relentlessly hunting is a unique terror
Doubly so for herbivores, everyone expects them to be nice little plant eaters who only run away, but some of them while absolutely fight to the death more than a predator. simply because they have the energy to burn on a fight that predators often can't afford
I hate when people see sharks as violent killing machines but then they wanna swim with wild dolphins
"Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you're doing is worth it?"
Livyatan is not the same as Leviathan. Although Livyatan was inspired on it
@EvolutionSnake-v7r yeah the quote was about a fantasy creature from a video game, I know they're not the same lol
Heehee Subnautica reference 🩵
@@snakewithnolegs try again 😂
@@mashlea Leviathan isn't only from subnautica lmao
I love how artists all have different opinions on how it looked. Cute, scary, beautiful.
Monstro from old Pinocchio comes to mind.
@@jakomioftherose2434 I was thinking that just the other day, actually!
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@@jakomioftherose2434😅😅🎉😮😅😢
All of the above
That's it, new head canon: THIS is what swallowed Piniccio and Geppeto and then rammed a cliff in the original Disney movie
And all this time I thought Monstro was a sperm whale
I was going to write this into Moby Dick but I also thought of Monstro
It's kinda funny, Levyatan wasn't discovered til 2008 I believe, and Monstro was just made up as a coincidence. Since sperm whales only have teeth on their lower jaw, originally in the Pinocchio book Monstro was a giant dogfish.
The cgi reconstructions of Livyatan in this video actually make it look like Monstro
😂👍
_“It’s a whale eat shark world and I’m wearing sealskin underwear.”_
-Norm Peterson of Cheers, probably 😂
I could totally see Norm saying that. I would not have come up with it, but you coming up with it is perfect.
Mean sharks are scary but mean whales are even scarier, because they can think. And they look way meaner too.
Mammals, baby.
Don’t underestimate the intelligence of sharks, there’s still plenty we don’t know about them.
But yeah, mammalian intelligence can be hella scary
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@@Crakinator capybara:
@@PolarBearFan24they shilling with crocos
Sharks: Megalodon.
Whales: Lyvathan.
Sharks: We gotta work on this for a moment
Livyatan isn't on the same level as megalodon anymore since the new study of shimada and the new spine set of megalodon which shows us he was much much longer than any livyatan
@@GhostTheGoated Is this new study about that hyper predator who everyone thought was a giant predatory whale but it turns out was just a massive Megalodon?
@CollegeBallYouknow To my knowledge, an official study hasn't been submitted about the Yellowstone Hyperpredator, but it has been officially confirmed that it was a massive Meglodon though. I'm interested to read the study when it comes out.
@@GhostTheGoatedsize doesn’t matter most of the time, not tryna sound like a fanboy but I’m pretty sure livyatans are more intelligent then megalodons so it would still win the fight depending if it ambushes the megalo.
It doesn't need to fight. It just needs to be a good competitor in the food chain. And well, Sharks don't do well in the same environment Whales do. @@S1ayer585.
I'd just like to mention that shortly after Jaws was released, there was a movie named Orca: the killer whale released. It fuses aspects of both Jaws and Moby Dick within it's story. Basically a fisherman kills the titular killer whale mate and baby during a botched capture attempt and goes on a revenge rampage, attempting and ultimately, successfully killing all the members of the ship and other members of the same fishing community. Like in Moby Dick, the rampaging animal actually triumphs over the humans and unlike Jaws, it does have a "eco" messaging as in, it's a good thing the rampaging animal won.
Yeah, after Jaws Dino DeLaurantis was pretty determined to outdo it. He also did the 70's King Kong Remake and said "When Jaws Die, nobody cry. When King Kong Die, everybody Cry!"
And Orcas are smart. Back in the 1900's there was a whaling town where the Orcas teamed up with the whalers. The Orcas would alert the townsfolk to when and where the Baleen Whales were, and even herd them. The Whalers would give the Orcas the parts of the whale that they didn't want like the tongues, which are what the Orcas wanted.
Great Scott, I know this movie! Gotta revisit it for sure
I was about to comment about the movie Orca 😂
It was set in my home province of Newfoundland as well, and shot in a small town very close to my home town :D
It was a terrible movie.
0:53 “the livyatan” subnautica music starts playing
sorry, but its Ghost Leviathan, Sea Treader Leviathan, Reefback Leviathan, Gargantuan Leviathan, Sea Dragon Leviathan, Reaper Leviathan, and Sea Emperor Leviathan, if talking about that entity in Subnautica. also, it’s spelled differently than livyatan, but they nearly sound the same.
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@@robloxian-z7nshut up
Yes my friend love subnautica
Entering ecological dead zone. Adding report to data bank.
"The Shark's name was Bruce"
Me: "Fish are Friends, not Food"
The name of Bruce from Finding Nemo is, in fact, a reference to the name of the shark form Jaws
Fun fact!: The shark was named Bruce after the director’s lawyer
the more I learn about cetaceans, the more i realize that we have slandered sharks into oblivion
I'm less worried about whale type cetaceans and more worried about dolphin type cetaceans. THOSE guys are ASSHOLES.
It gets worse when you realize how many sharks we kill each year and they only attack us about 10 times each year and kill even fewer
whales are HORRIFYING dude like those bitches are smart as hell and big and it’s honestly sad what we did to sharks 😭
@Shark_Dude And the only reason that number is so high is overfishing and destruction of habitats drawing sharks into more shallow waters
@@waste_of_paint There's also the people who make shark fin soup, whether it's legal or not.
0:18
So that's why he started the "fish are friends not food" thing, turns out he was just doing that since he got his food from somewhere else
I didn’t realize that Bruce’s name was a reference to Jaws
K ...
@@jackrazor5015funny how simply saying "K." immedietly gets you labeled as a sh*thead
I don’t know how to feel about learning this fact 20 years after seeing Nemo as a kid.
@@hypnotoad5861after all Bruce was great white that mostly not eating fish, especially the one that around Marlin and Dory size. Yet its a different matter for Bruce's friends
We know that Moby Dick was inspired by real events (the sinking of the whaling ship Essex) but what if I told you there was another whale that is even scarier than Moby Dick? His name is Porphyrios and he sunk hundreds of ships for over 50 years during the Byzantine Empire.
The overall story was based on the Essex incident, but its appearance was based on Mocha Dick, a real life albino sperm whale. It was aggressive, had many harpoons sticking from its side from previous attempts, and exceptionally large (though slightly smaller than the reported size of the bull that sank the Essex).
Porphyrios is mentioned in the story of Moby Dick itself and so Melville was definitely familiar with it.
"during the byzantine empire" is a span of over 1000 years...
Yea yea we saw the kings and generals video too
@@Askortihe said 50 years
As someone who had an irrational fear of whales as a child and not sharks, this is a nightmare come true.
Did you know, the guy who made Jaws spent the rest of his life trying to improve the lives of sharks after the movie because the impact of the movie to sharks was an increase in shark m/rders. A world without sharks could be the end of the world itself, which is why a shark d3ath increase worried the creator of Jaws
That man's name? Steven Spielberg.
Honestly, the relationship between livyatan and megalodon and would probably be similar to the relationship seen in lions and tigers in Northern India. With them actively avoiding another.
honestly it seems more like livyatan was megalodons predator, the way orca eat great white sharks today by ganging up on them and taking turns ripping out chunks.
@@Ninja1Ninja2 Orcas are much bigger then great whites. I would think that even a group of livyatan would not risk attacking a adult megalodon that was possibly way bigger than them.
@@Ninja1Ninja2 Megalodon is much bigger than livyatan
@@oversovl isnt a great white a bit larger or the same size as an orca?
That's very doubtful. Megalodon were the ultimate top predators. They operated higher up the food chain than any other predator in history. Having the highest levels of nitrogen-15 of any predator, past or present. It goes without saying Megaldon was an apex predator, but it was more than that. Having such a high level of nitrogen-15 means, without any doubt, Megalodons diet consisted of other top apex predators. We know Megalodon ate whales, we know Megalodon ate apex predators, so put the two together, and you get a rather convincing argument of the interaction between the two. Lyvathan was shark food.
That title sent my imagination onto a path that is honestly terrifying to put too much thought into
Would've definitely seen a smaller whale population today in response to this version of the movie
There’s horrors down there that we’re better off not knowing.
Its pretty incredible that as large as Leviathan was and how cool of a whale it was, the currently living Blue Whale dwarfs it, being about 3 times heavier and around 10m ( 50-ish feet) longer. And unlike whales like Perucetus Colossus that might have rivaled the Blue Whale for size, we can acctually see Blue Whales with our own eyes, would be so fricking awesome if I ever managed to see one IRL.
Looks like Perucetus got downsized on estimated size. Blue Whale's still hold the record, though Icythasaurs are getting closer.
Hawaii has them, and I read a thing saying they spotted a blue whale in a part of the Atlantic that they haven't been seen in for a while.
Of course, Blue Whales are only a threat if you are a krill or are phytoplankton . . . .
@@brettwood1351 Yellowstone hyperpredator megalodon will come close to blue whale sizes
@@JoyseP-nm2ru No.
I was expecting this video to be a what-if scenario, on how a Jaws movie starring a rogue whale would have affected the global perspective of such animals and their population.
I thought so too
Glad I wasn't the only one. I'm all for deep dives on extinct creatures, but we never got an answer for the question asked in the title.
Yeah me too. A better comparison would've been Moby Dick instead of Jaws. But hey: I'm not complaining.
Same and I was very disappointed it wasnt
@@Beggsington This
You're prolly too young to have seen it back then, but NOONE thought Bruce to be a Megalodon.
The main reason is, that it was classified as a "Carcharodon" species and wasn't put in the correct order - "Carcharocles" - until the late 1990s... in other words: Megalodon didn't hit pop-culture way after even the 5th part.
I'm zoomer, but this is what I thought too
The movie showed it as a freakishly large great white . . . .
Bruce being considered a Megalodon is entirely a product of online discussion in the 21st century.
like he LITERALLY looks like a great white, he’s designed after it, they’re the same species 😭
As a zoomer, I genuinely did not know that a single person even thought it was a megalodon. Everyone I've ever seen talk about it has always just referred to it as a really big great white
Igon be like:
"CURSE YOU WHALE."
I HEREBY VOW, YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY
OARSMEN!!!!!!
@@miskakusriyadi1706HELLO AGAIN YOU FUCKING WHALE
I suspect Livyatan and meg would have avoided each other like the plague. Like you said, just not worth it. Both had sensory capabilities to avoid interaction - and would have used them. Unless... meg approached the young in a pod. Then, game over. Huge brain, huge body mass, huge bite force and most importantly, a coordinated group defense would have sent the torn-up meg to the bottom. Not without cost to the pod, but most likely.
A pod of Livytan with a grudge sounds like the most powerful biological force to ever swim our oceans.
Livyatan would eliminate any competition and would definitely go out of their way to kill Megalodon
@@DeywanLigma not likely.
@@Dysfunctional_Reprint and fun fact, modern sperm whales, especially when the whale is a part of a pod, will and have been recorded going out of heir way to kill rival orca pods that had killed their calfs
Unless Livytan was keen on liver the way orcas are...
1:19 this looks like the whale from the og Pinocchio cartoon, that thing always terrified me as a kid 😰
Hell yeah that whale was a narly mf
I thought this video was gonna be more about how Jaws started a culture of the public thinking all sharks were heartless, monstrous killing machines, and it resulted in many sharks being killed, and if jaws had been about a whale, it's the whales who would've suffered
But this was cool too
Nobody thinks its a Megladon except for younger people who saw the Meg movie before they saw Jaws...
Honestly I doubt most of the audiences would have even known what a Megladon was in 1975
@@ChunkyKong-47 There is literally the Dean meg jaws reconstruction when Brody browses the book.
@@francissemyon7971 yeah and that was probably the first time the average person would have heard of the Meg in 1975. There was no shark craze, no internet and it’s not something they teach in schools.
The German Title was "Der Weisse Hai" which translates to "The White Shark" so I never doubted it was supposed to be a Great White.
I honestly hate how they slandered and oversized the Megalodon in those movies..
Livyatan:
Gives the phrase:
Having a Whale of a Time a whole new meaning!
Imagine if Livyatan hadn't gone extinct and it was the cause of the sinking of the Titanic due to ramming?
What would that mean for shipping world wide for the millennia humanity has had ships?
@@erichtomanek4739 we probably would've hunted it to extinction, lets be real
@@al145Call America for whale oil
@@erichtomanek4739 If an animal that big existed you bet we would’ve harvested every single one of them until they evolved to be smaller or straight up go extinct
The Miocene epoch Oceans were nightmare fuel. Everybody talks about the Megladon but the Miocene Oceans were full of other deadly predators. Another raptorial cetacean was the Brygmophyseter a cetacean that was similar to modern orcas but with much larger teeth and most marine biologists feel that Brygmophyseter most likely formed pods like modern orcas.
3:28 What he laughing at?
Bros got the most jolly ahh look on its face
He's as high as a kite
your face
At yo goofy ass
@@your_father19 your father
An archeology video disguised as a film theory video, and I watched the whole thing
The mechanical shark used in the movie was nicknamed Bruce ON SET, it wasn't like the shark's character's name in the movie... I've never once heard anyone EVER claim the shark in Jaws was a megalodon. So it can't be that common. It's not "based" on a great white, they confirm several times in the movie that the shark IS a great white. And we already have a movie where Jaws was about a whale... It was called Orca.
Yeah that whole intro was brain dead lol.
@@DocJerky The shark is Jaws was 25 feet long, which was understood at the time as being the largest great white ever caught (but further analysis indicates, it was about 20 or so.
@CosmicLover98Yeah Mr born in 98, but it's such an OLD MOVIE the damn megalodon wasn't known by the majority of people back then.
But an orca isn’t a whale, it’s a type of dolphin.
@@haraldemerson7496Very few use that definition.
Fun Fact:
The author of the Jaws book, regretted writing it.
For the rest of his life he worked for shark conservation and education.
Steven Spielberg has done nothing.
Repeatedly mocked Jaws in his later novels too.
Did he (Peter Benchley) also regret giving the giant squid _Architeuthis dux_ a bad reputation in his later novel _Beast?_
@@fromnorway643 To be fair _Beast_ is no where near the notoriety of Jaws and people will rarely come across a live giant squid to begin with.
@@fromnorway643that hasn’t reached anywhere near the same audience or done the same damage.
@@CollegeBallYouknow
I haven't watched the movie from 1996, but have read the novel from 1991.
We're going to need an even bigger boat!
😂 And fishing rods are a nogo
Fuck that were going to need to get out of the water.
0:43 scares the living out of me
Fax man 😂
Taht scene was from a different movie called Meg I’m pretty sure
@@Ffhf-hc5bj yeah it was. btw the movie is good you should watch it
2:02 "Super-FISH-ially"
Erm actually, whales are mammals 🤓
@@APerson37.GET OU-
One of the coolest names for an extinct animal in my opinion.
Ah yes, my prehistoric national geographic 😌
❤❤❤ love all videos
The Miocene are really the golden age of mammals
It was. Whales are mammals
@@snakewithnolegs yes I know that
I just really want to know more about aquatic sloth now lol.
Yeah.
On land, hypercarnivores as big as polar bears were a lot more common, like large machairodonts, hyaenodonts and amphicyonids, as were a variety of large herbivores.
And in the oceans, macroraptorial sperm whales ruled the seas alongside mega-toothed sharks.
@@beastmaster0934 yeah. You had things like acrophoca (The giant leopard seal) or simbakubwa (A genus of hyaenodont) and those things were very successful at what they did
6:05 why is he standing there like he got the world record🤣🤣
0:15 i just realized something. Sharks van only breathe when there moving right? This mf is holding his breath so he can Jumpscare the little girl.
Megas use their cheek muscles to move the water through their grills so they don’t need to swim to get the water into their grills,I think it’s pretty cool
@@Brianthegoat-r9bthats hella cool but the idea of it holding its breath is funny as fuck
@@ash-p2y2s yeah that would be cool
HAHAHAHA
Sperm whales: i have the biggest brain and I am the largest toothed whale.
Leviyatan: you ain't seen nothing yet....
Sperm whales are bigger and have bigger brains than Leviyatan.
Whalers on the moon: carrying a harpoon
@@Tonius126, I believe Livyatans are the sperm whale ancestors, but evolve into a new animal when it depends on the depth for sustenance.
Modern sperm whales have bigger brains
@@shafqatishan437 Livyatan Mevillei skull size is roughly the same size as extant sperm whales but the Livyatan had jaws and teeth that suggested it was a surface hunter all raptorial cetaceans have a higher intelligence. The difference would be negligible.
i like that this vid has a creepy ambience
I was completely unaware that some people mistakenly thought Bruce was a Megalodon. I always knew he was meant to be an unusually-large (and unusually-aggressive) great white.
Ikr? I've never heard it was a meg ever 😅
It's been a while since I last watched the film but don't they call it a great white in it?!
@@biggiecheese6103 not like a meg would be that small anyway
I'm pretty sure Bruce isn't even unusually large, he's just on the longer end of Great White sizes
@@hsalfesrever3554 Are you good? You didn't even do research, Bruce is a male great white obviously, and is 25 GODDAMN FEET LONG, which is only 1 FOOT SMALLER THAN TWICE THE LONGEST MALE GREAT WHITE, not only that, but in terms of weight, which is more of a scientific measurement of size, he is 3 tons, male great whites are around 600 kg which isn't even 1 TON!!! not only that, but the females who are considered bigger than males, don't reach his size either, at 15-16 ft, and 2 tons... He is bigger than any great white shark to ever exist...not only that either... The largest great white ever who was a female was 20 ft long, that's not even as big as him... he is a tank of a shark...THERE WAS A NEED FOR A BIGGER BOAT
Never have I ever heard someone say they thought the shark was a megalodon, everybody knows he was a great white
Idk dude my parents thought it was a meg
Everybody does not know that my guy
Honestly Livyatan deserves more recognizing. For some reason people are always scared of prehistoric sharks when in reality, sharks only were true top predators (in the sense that no one ate them) for a few million years. However in any other time span they would be killed by giant predatory fish (Possibly Hyneria or Dunkleosteus), Carnivorous giant amphibians (Possibly Prionosuchus), crocodilians (Such as Deinosuchus or Dakosaurus), pliosaurs (Like Pliosaurus or Liopleurodon), mosasaurs (Such as Clidastes and Tylosaurus) and finally whales (Basilosaurus, Livyatan and orcas) so sharks aren't really the worst thing to fear in the ocean (Day #2 of suggesting a video on the cave fossa) (sorry for the long paragraph I wrote)
Megalodon favorite food were giant sperm whales
But in this case, the Megalodon was well and truly the apex predator of its ecosystem. Nitrogen isotope studies have placed it at a higher trophic level than any other predator in history. A higher trophic level than any of the predators you mentioned in your comment. This thing was eating predators that were eating other predators, which were eating prey. The Miocene oceans were vastly more terrifying than the oceans are today.
@@migueljardim8177 Ok. I think that's exaggerated but miocene oceans definetly were terrifying
@@StalPlayzYT No, small baleen whales
@@snakewithnolegs the only thing that would make livyathan scary to megalidon is that it’s a pack hunter
But maybe since it’s a whale and some whales socialize with humans
Then there would be dumb poachers and hunters to probably end them off
"Orca" is a horror movie about a killer whale. It's...something
Fun fact, orcas have been actively hunting great whites and just eat their livers and reserchers noticed some tagged sharks migrating and that's how we found out 😅
Yeah it was
Knew someone had to have seen that movie
If jaws was a megladon, it would swallow a human hole. No biting necessary.
Eww… Swallowing a human hole …
Fr. and sharks rarely even bite humans. So megladon would be a better choice.
@@-MansBestFriendi disagree,humans are way to small for a whole adult megalodon to eat let alone feed on,a great white shark fits the place better for the movie.
@@muebleriascad6604 oh sorry! If I’m being honest I never actually saw the movie just got an explanation from my mom. I shouldn’t have made commentary on it without having actually watched.
@@-MansBestFriend its fine,its just my opinion anyways dont worry
For those who didnt know, the sharks name is a reference to the shark from nemo
This is a perfect killing predator
1. Social animal hence intelligent
2. Bite force
3. Huge size
4. Echolocation
sperm whales have high biteforce bit only eat giant squid and fish
Shark: cute
A predatory gigantic whale: 💀
This movie actually does technically exist. It's called Orca: The Killer Whale.
Jaws was scary. The Orca movie was Nightmare Fuel.
Orcas are dolphins not whales
@@n0body550 Um scientists list Dolphins as Toothed Whales. Look it up.
@@n0body550 dolphins are actually odontoceti.
Toothed. Whales.
All dolphins are whales, but not all whales are dolphins.
Do your research before trying to show your intelligence, otherwise you are only showing your Stupidity.
the superior film!!
Just subscribed because all of this information is intriguing
The shark was not named Bruce, not in the book, not in the movie. Bruce was a name applied to all the mechanical robot sharks used in filming. It's a joke name. The Australian Great Barrier Reaf ha a lot of Great Whites, and Australians love to name their boys Bruce. There is even a Month Python sketch about that.
The shark was named Bruce affectionately in honor of Spielberg's lawyer Bruce Ramer. Nothing to do with Aussie names for their boys...
8:04 "Which is why Livyaten almost certainly had Surf Shark VPN, the sponsor for this video"
So this isn’t really “What if Jaws had been a whale” so much as “check out this totally awesome prehistoric beast!”
Not complaining or anything, this was very fascinating to learn about, and these whales truly are awesome incarnate; was just making a joke about the title
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I love this channel.
@@joaopedrobaggio4475 same
Lame
If you want an idea on how terrifying this can be, just watch The Plague of Madness Episode from the show Primal. The episode follows a caveman & his Trex trying to escape a massive Sarupod, which has been infected by a disease that turned it into a bloodthirsty zombie. It’s absolutely terrifying seeing this once peaceful slow dinosaur the size of a skyscraper move at an uncannily fast speed and colossal strength, while being driven to murder everything around it, is simply bonechilling to witness.
Didn't know someone would talk about that rad amazing show but thanks
Truly an accurate show
IRL nothing that size could gallop let alone leap so keep that in mind when you suspend disbelief
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Nobody on this planet has ever thought that Jaws (Bruce) was a megalodon 🦈
Wrong.
@@whothehellarewe what is?
@@Alex.P1there are many people who thought Jaws/Bruce was a megalodon
@@Kiwiiwik2841 nobody ever watched Jaws and thought they had just seen a film about a megalodon.
@@Kiwiiwik2841maybe fools 😂
Shark: Oh no! A shark! what are we gonna do!
Whale: *SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER!*
*WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE WHALE!*
There was actually an Orca jaws knockoff in the 90s, but as far as I know it was a flop.
And livyatan is one of my favorite prehistoric whale species 🐳 🐋
Just got recommended this on Spotify, now I have a new channel to binge 🎉
There was a Jaws type movie made in 1977 called 'Orca', I saw it as a kid in the 80's!
It’s always scary when two equally powerful carnivores are in the same place. Like Bears and Tigers. Or crocodiles, anacondas, jaguars and otters.
Please note at 3:07 the 'exceptionally large male' at nearly 21 meters. Livyatan was big, but the modern Sperm Whale is still #1 for hunting predators in Earth's history. Look at the size of that silhouette. It's a nightmare next to Livyatan.
Actually the upper lengths of megalodon estimates get similarly sized
@@EVOLUTIONINCARNATE Upper length estimates of an animal that no one has seen alive are a lot different from Sperm Whales we know exist.
If Jaws had been a whale, it would have won.
Wasn't the shark killed in the novel when a pod of Killer Whales attacked it? Been about 20 years since I read the novel. Movie is much better.
Ive seen Jaws and Orca. Orca was scarier, because of their intelligence.
Although if a whale had a vendetta with me, i jist quit fishing, and move to kansas.
Good luck finding me there Orca!
That magic shark from Jaws : The Revenge would find you. If it can somehow sense it's enemy is in the Bahamas and follow them there then Kansas is easy. You'd be minding your own business one day when boom! A shark in a helicopter is flying towards you.
@@irieite9666 that shark was a wizard in disguise
My thalassophobia has been triggered
They already did that, it's called "Orca: The Killer Whale". Richard Harris is in it. And also Moby Dick. The poster said, "Before the Shark...there was the Whale."
I was halfway through typing a comment saying "imagine livyatans were social and traveled in pods" just as he said they were probably highly social and if you saw one there was probably more TERRIFYING
They made a whale move like this. "Orca: The Killer Whale". Not as good as Jaws, however, a cult classic in its own right.
We are very lucky that whales aren't violent towards people most of the time.
They just sink boats every now and then
They are smart! Big brains!
So basically, 2 of the largest predators coexisted at the same time period, and at the same regions.
One having the strongest bite known on the animal kingdom
And the other one having the largest biting tooth ever discovered
I made a Powerpoint presentation about Livyatan Melvillei a year ago, when I was in Grade 7. Everyone was so amazed that such a creature existed. This is unfathomably my favorite extinct predator of all time.
The most dangerous whale on record is Porphyrios, who raised havoc in the Bosphorus straits, ramming ships and causing such damage to shipping that the Roman emperor himself called a hit on it.
Rip bozos
They deserved it imo
THE FAULT LIES WITH YOU, ISHMAEL!!!!
All my fault, you say...? What fault? I daresay it's all thanks to me.
My compass is curiosity
OARMEN!!!!
0:07 a giant man eating shark. yes shark meat is delicious
What are you talking about, man-eating shark
man-eating is different than man eating 😅
@@dmdkdkrkfksn4324its a joke lol
@@amrelarcher8990called a joke mate
Can confirm I was the giant man
As a sucker for storytelling, I'm a bit disappointed that this video wasn't a retelling of JAWS but instead of a great white shark attacking people it was the livyatan. But this is cool too.
"What do we call this giant ancient whale species?"
"Idk, Leviathan?"
"Well we can't just call it that"
"Well mess up the spelling a little"
"Genius."
14:28 - out loud to myself, very loud: *"WHAT!?"*
The thumbnail is litterally a toothed whale killing a pregnant dolphin and its babies coming out the stomach with the umbilical cord still attached 💀
Hard-core.
Unfortunately wolves do same damage to pregnant ewes when slaughtering penned sheep, saw it, horrific. (Flocks need better protection, not slaughtering wolves, the unfortunate results)
It's sharks in the thumbnail, not dolphins
@@christines.5241I don’t care
Evil whale
Whale like this might have changed the whole human history. If Livyatan had been aggressive, it might have started attacking boats and preventing people to travel at seas. Sailors have often told stories about scary sea creatures, but in the end there is only few large animals that even attacked boats when they were hunted. Livyatan was also likely very intelligent so it might also start hunting humans/ships to prevent them from stealing prey and/or hunting Livyatan themselves.
Dawg what?
well ORCA 1977 is technacly an JAWS was a whale but ORCA has more darker themes
I'd agree with you but orcas aren't whales lol
It's a dolphin and a whale at the same time
I'd also argue that the leviathan is most likely much smarter than the Meg. Cetaceans tend to be in another league compared to fish. This would most likely give it the edge
This is more science lesson than “What if Bruce from Jaws was a whale”.
the new thumbnail is bad ass
I can imagine in future aliens making documentary videos about human races
I somehow misread the title as "If Jews was a whale" and I was extrmeley confused
Megaldon might have made a less dangers predators then Burce, we know that Orca almost never target humans in the wild as were not worth the effort as a food score.
If Jaws had been a whale, it would have been called Orca (1977).
While it is true that megalodon and Livyatan generally avoided confrontation, it was megalodon that won the metaphorical war since it outlasted the Livyatan by at least a couple million years.
4:07 those teeth weren't completely outside, a big part of (roots) them were inside the jaw
If it was anything like a shark. Flipping it over like Orcas do make it stunned.
My pick the Leviathan in a 1 vs 1
Meglodon was much larger than Livyatan. This is nothing like Orcas vs Great Whites because Orcas are at least 3 times as heavy as Great Whites on average. The size advantage is actually given to the shark this time. Meg wins 70/30.
@@migueljardim8177livyatan pods would hunt megs for food
@migueljardim8177 also the whale was bigger
@BBC_KIKG There is no evidence that they would have lived or hunted in groups. Modern sperm whales live in groups but do not hunt in groups. Every other species of sperm whale hunts on its own and does not live in groups either. There is no evidence to support your claim.
@BBC_KIKG According to modern studies, both the maximum and average Megalodon specimens were larger than the Livyatan.
Maelstrom was probably a mean whale as it survived on his own
I would often call the shark Jaws because every time I hear him being called Bruce, I would immediately think of Bruce from Finding Nemo
I've never heard anyone think jaws was a Meg he's always been a great white shark 🦈
As someone who’s had a phobia of Sperm whales for as long as I can remember I both HATE and love this video
I've never heard ANYONE mistake Bruce for a Megalodon lol
That was one of the more popular theories for the movie back then. So, debatable.
smart animals in water = empathetic and gentle
Smart animals on land = rip you apart if you make accidental eye contact
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
We need an Orca remake