Once again awesome video and thank you for being a beacon of light in the smoke/mirror world of car audio. Honestly I was holding my breath waiting for the Alpine results. Would love to see a review on the Status HDP-D90. How does it compare to Helix for example.
EXACTLY, and I have a feeling that a lot of the top brands rely on their marketing more then their quaility. The social media influencers have a hugh impact. The problem is that the content creators are financial motivated to push their products. Meaning its tough to know if we are getting honest and unbiased reviews. Or, we are just hearing good things about what ever company is giving out the most money or free products.
Good to see independent measurements. Helix next hopefully as its the benchmark DSP . My thoughts noise floor below 60db is already irrelevant especially for car interior. Distortion below 0.1% is already good enough but watch out for IMD which is much more important. My personal takes is u probably won't hear much different between them. For cars the speaker n car noise is the major variable .
I'd like to see ya test a JL VXi 6 channel dsp amp. Definitely way above the price point of these but I wanna see if there's a noticeable difference. I hear people say it's good, I just wanna know how good. The Helix would be another good comparison point for it.
@@RAW-CAt I was gonna say, if I ever was gonna buy one I could buy it near you and have you ship it to me lmfao The shipping costs across the sea would be ridiculous I bet. Let alone customs and all that baloney. It being more expensive over there is a deal breaker unfortunately... The JL VX600/6i is $1,500 USD for me... I can only imagine European prices
@MikeBender1972 Just FYI, the JL Audio VXi DSP Amplifiers were "good enough" for master Tuner Jeffrey Hald from Mobile Toys Inc (MTI) in College Station Texas to win a recent MECA/IASCA/MASQ SQ Championship (also using the JL C7 components and JL Subwoofers) against A LOT of the top SQ competitors. So, I think they measure "Okay." 😊
@@bbfoto7248 I guess it all really comes down to real world performance lol That sounds "good enough" for me. Not that I can get even close to him in install and tuning lol
I’m not familiar with bits and processing speed etc. Haven’t made a purchase yet, but number of speaker channels and preamp outputs is what I start with. Versatility, I suppose.
Are the amplified DSPs running the amplified outputs into line output converters to give you low level signal? or do they have separate line and high level outs from the chip? Most budget headunits do this.
Vibe have a very affordable POWERBOX65.4-8MDSP-V3 65W RMS DSP amp but as a UK Company interestingly there is no information over the forums or here in YT platform. DSP Amp Ticks many boxes but looking for any review or feedback which is not available at all...
Hi, I am planning to use Alpine PXE R-500 but confused about the speakers. My car fits 6.5 inch speakers. So in the back I will have a set of coaxial speaker and in the front a set of tweeters with mid range speakers. Now the question is what kind of RMS wattage of speakers I should be looking for? And will it be able to support a powered subwoofer. I yes what should be its wattage?
This DSP/amp will be fine for factory upgrade speakers, anything more serious and I would get a separate amp. Look for low power (up to 50W) and high sensitivity speakers. For a subwoofer you NEED a separate monoblock.
@@RAW-CAt Thanks for replying. I was planning to map it to Focal Access 165AS and 165AC which has 60W RMS and peak 120W. Sensitivity is at 91.3db.Will it work? Or do I need to search for a different set with a lower rating. At this range the Focals seemed to be good enough. Not sure of any other brand with lower ratings and as good as Focal.
Hi Fam, Current setup: Front Components: Helix S 62C.2 Rear Components: Helix PF K 165.2 DSP: Alpine PXE R500 (6-channel) 4-Channel Amp for Components: Alpine S-A32F Mono Amp for Subwoofer: Alpine S-A60M Subwoofer: Morel Primo 12 Source: Stock headunit with Apple Music via CarPlay is it worth to spend extra to get a HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE (give away Alpine 4ch amp and DSP) for front active and rear fill? the new setup would be: Front Components: Helix S 62C.2 Rear Components: Helix PF K 165.2 DSP + Amplifier: HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE (Amp out 4ch for front active, 2 ch for rear fill, pre out to sub) Mono Amp for Subwoofer: Alpine S-A60M Subwoofer: Morel Primo 12 Source: Stock head unit with Apple Music via CarPlay Will there be improved detail in the sound? or should i stay with the current semi-active setup? please help. Addition: Alpine S-A32F is 55W RMS / channel @ 4 Ohms HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE is 145 W / channel @ 4 ohms If it matters. The cost of the upgrade is 1900 USD. Is it worth the upgrade? will i see noticeable difference in detail?
You won't gain much with the upgrade. You will.have much better results upgrading your source from the stock HU. If keeping current setup, run the fronts active, mono for the rears and one rca cor the sub. Get another cheap amp for the rears.
@@RAW-CAt Thank you so much for your reply. The problem is that the TPMS, ORVM control, service indicators, and lights are all integrated into the stock head unit. That’s the only thing stopping me. 😭 If i keep the current setup with stock HU, will the 55W RMS from the alpine 4ch amp clip or damage the speakers which are rated for 100w RMS?
if you want DIY approach, just make sure you did a decent power filtering. my recommendation with DIY approach: use active LPF and have a gain stage output. active LPF performs much better than passive LPF even with a cheap decent opamps and since the internal DAC only capable of 1V output, gain stage might be needed. most budget DSP fell on its face caused by poor power filtering
installed a PXE C80-88: 2 months in, and already had to uninstall it and take it to warranty. A real cheap downgrade coming from a previous generation alpine amp. already has been analyzed by some technicians and doesn't have enough internal components to handle what is marketed as to do (4 speakers and a small sub)
@@ravvvvvv marketing don't know much about real world and that is a fact. Pro installers in most cases are bad as well and are listening to marketing advice...
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Nice work... Waiting for you to test the helix DSP
not surprising to see how good the Alpine's performance here. i'd be mad if they didnt perform this good!. waiting for helix measurement 🤤
Once again awesome video and thank you for being a beacon of light in the smoke/mirror world of car audio. Honestly I was holding my breath waiting for the Alpine results. Would love to see a review on the Status HDP-D90. How does it compare to Helix for example.
Independent testing and measurements like this is what makes manufacturers nervous. They can only hide behind their price and marketing for so long.
EXACTLY, and I have a feeling that a lot of the top brands rely on their marketing more then their quaility. The social media influencers have a hugh impact. The problem is that the content creators are financial motivated to push their products.
Meaning its tough to know if we are getting honest and unbiased reviews. Or, we are just hearing good things about what ever company is giving out the most money or free products.
Good to see independent measurements. Helix next hopefully as its the benchmark DSP . My thoughts noise floor below 60db is already irrelevant especially for car interior. Distortion below 0.1% is already good enough but watch out for IMD which is much more important.
My personal takes is u probably won't hear much different between them. For cars the speaker n car noise is the major variable .
Great so see some real measurements.
I'd like to see ya test a JL VXi 6 channel dsp amp. Definitely way above the price point of these but I wanna see if there's a noticeable difference. I hear people say it's good, I just wanna know how good. The Helix would be another good comparison point for it.
I have the Helix, but I am 100% sure that I won't ever have a JL,in the UK it's super expensive...
@@RAW-CAt I was gonna say, if I ever was gonna buy one I could buy it near you and have you ship it to me lmfao
The shipping costs across the sea would be ridiculous I bet. Let alone customs and all that baloney. It being more expensive over there is a deal breaker unfortunately... The JL VX600/6i is $1,500 USD for me... I can only imagine European prices
@MikeBender1972
Just FYI, the JL Audio VXi DSP Amplifiers were "good enough" for master Tuner Jeffrey Hald from Mobile Toys Inc (MTI) in College Station Texas to win a recent MECA/IASCA/MASQ SQ Championship (also using the JL C7 components and JL Subwoofers) against A LOT of the top SQ competitors. So, I think they measure "Okay." 😊
@@bbfoto7248 I guess it all really comes down to real world performance lol
That sounds "good enough" for me. Not that I can get even close to him in install and tuning lol
I’m not familiar with bits and processing speed etc.
Haven’t made a purchase yet, but number of speaker channels and preamp outputs is what I start with. Versatility, I suppose.
How is the newly launched alpine PXE-640E-EL ? And what is your thought about sound magus mp6 max
Are the amplified DSPs running the amplified outputs into line output converters to give you low level signal? or do they have separate line and high level outs from the chip? Most budget headunits do this.
These have separate line outs just after the dac. And then the same signal amplified by the internal IC.
Vibe have a very affordable POWERBOX65.4-8MDSP-V3 65W RMS DSP amp but as a UK Company interestingly there is no information over the forums or here in YT platform. DSP Amp Ticks many boxes but looking for any review or feedback which is not available at all...
Hi, I am planning to use Alpine PXE R-500 but confused about the speakers. My car fits 6.5 inch speakers. So in the back I will have a set of coaxial speaker and in the front a set of tweeters with mid range speakers. Now the question is what kind of RMS wattage of speakers I should be looking for? And will it be able to support a powered subwoofer. I yes what should be its wattage?
This DSP/amp will be fine for factory upgrade speakers, anything more serious and I would get a separate amp. Look for low power (up to 50W) and high sensitivity speakers. For a subwoofer you NEED a separate monoblock.
@@RAW-CAt Thanks for replying. I was planning to map it to Focal Access 165AS and 165AC which has 60W RMS and peak 120W. Sensitivity is at 91.3db.Will it work? Or do I need to search for a different set with a lower rating. At this range the Focals seemed to be good enough. Not sure of any other brand with lower ratings and as good as Focal.
There is a budget version which is Focal ACE/ACX 165 with similar power rating of 60W RMS and 120W peak output. Only the sensitivity is 91.5dB.
@@ssamanta72 any of those will work great 👍
@@RAW-CAt Thank you for confirming. I will go with the focal then.
Hi Fam,
Current setup:
Front Components: Helix S 62C.2
Rear Components: Helix PF K 165.2
DSP: Alpine PXE R500 (6-channel)
4-Channel Amp for Components: Alpine S-A32F
Mono Amp for Subwoofer: Alpine S-A60M
Subwoofer: Morel Primo 12
Source: Stock headunit with Apple Music via CarPlay
is it worth to spend extra to get a HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE (give away Alpine 4ch amp and DSP) for front active and rear fill?
the new setup would be:
Front Components: Helix S 62C.2
Rear Components: Helix PF K 165.2
DSP + Amplifier: HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE (Amp out 4ch for front active, 2 ch for rear fill, pre out to sub)
Mono Amp for Subwoofer: Alpine S-A60M
Subwoofer: Morel Primo 12
Source: Stock head unit with Apple Music via CarPlay
Will there be improved detail in the sound? or should i stay with the current semi-active setup? please help.
Addition:
Alpine S-A32F is 55W RMS / channel @ 4 Ohms
HELIX P SIX DSP ULTIMATE is 145 W / channel @ 4 ohms
If it matters.
The cost of the upgrade is 1900 USD. Is it worth the upgrade? will i see noticeable difference in detail?
You won't gain much with the upgrade. You will.have much better results upgrading your source from the stock HU. If keeping current setup, run the fronts active, mono for the rears and one rca cor the sub. Get another cheap amp for the rears.
@@RAW-CAt Thank you so much for your reply. The problem is that the TPMS, ORVM control, service indicators, and lights are all integrated into the stock head unit. That’s the only thing stopping me. 😭 If i keep the current setup with stock HU, will the 55W RMS from the alpine 4ch amp clip or damage the speakers which are rated for 100w RMS?
I'm finding the cost of DSPs offensive...gonna try some Adau1701 boards...yeah DACs are the best, but neither are my ears.
if you want DIY approach, just make sure you did a decent power filtering. my recommendation with DIY approach: use active LPF and have a gain stage output. active LPF performs much better than passive LPF even with a cheap decent opamps and since the internal DAC only capable of 1V output, gain stage might be needed.
most budget DSP fell on its face caused by poor power filtering
installed a PXE C80-88:
2 months in, and already had to uninstall it and take it to warranty. A real cheap downgrade coming from a previous generation alpine amp. already has been analyzed by some technicians and doesn't have enough internal components to handle what is marketed as to do (4 speakers and a small sub)
I personally would never use a DSP/amp for a subwoofer. Only for midbass. What sub are you running of it?
@@RAW-CAt i went to an official Alpine installer and he arranged everything. it is marketed as an all in one solution. i have a SW10-4
@@ravvvvvv marketing don't know much about real world and that is a fact. Pro installers in most cases are bad as well and are listening to marketing advice...