I know that this video is a gross oversimplification here's a video with a well researched and well argued takes, it's worth the watch. ruclips.net/video/tjSxFAGP9Ss/видео.html
I wouldn’t call it an oversimplification, as it doesn’t relate to reality much. At the moment, AI does the very same thing artists do - it looks at references to make its own picture. The linked video does not deny this. In response, it says: « The details of stable diffusions’s, or any other model’s process, are not what we want to get caught up on, as new methods will be developed, new companies will emerge, and the technology will change » (8:54) The first part of this response calls us to ignore details, and the second is speculating about technological advancement (which is fine in context of that video, but not for understanding how the A.I. actually works). Furthermore, the whole section of the video does not seem to ever deny the process’ description in the argument. To be clear, I am by no means protecting the “AI artists.” The artwork is created by the A.I., not by the prompt writer. Edit: I had time to watch the video properly now, and it seems to be mainly talking about the ethical issue. The author even specifies that the A.I.’s output is still art.
Sad part is there's one that come to mind. Though I can't remember his name, he's gotten called out because he's been posting on twitter his clearly AI developed art without tagging it as either AI or non post edited material. A few art drama RUclipsrs though I know made videos on the situation, but story is the guy opened like a Ko-Fi or something along the lines of that for open commissions to sell his AI art aka compiled stolen assests
@@L30N_M Wow, that sounds awful. Selling AI art without tagging it feels like such a scam. I mean taking requests from friends to make a neat profile pic is one thing (I used it for my DnD character), but to make paid commisions is stealing with extra steps
Don"t worry, that patreon channels are not selling art, are selling prompt tricks, so the consumers are thereselves lol... And people who sell "art" are basically scaming so their business has short life... There was scams since a really long ago, people who even sell artists content without consent,
@@Sanches7557 that doesn't sound just awful. I'm pretty sure it's illegal too. It's sad to see this because a handful of scummy people gave such a bad reputation to a tool that could've helped actual artists find new ideas and inspiration.
stupid comparison Here, rather, I watched hundreds and thousands of bakers create decorations on their cakes, I took those that fit my composition and made them my own way
Artists are like people who spent 5 years learning a foreign language, while ai artists are the ones who use google translate and pretend like they understand the language and the culture behind it.
I'm a regular artist but I also use AI and consider myself an AI artist. I think the difference between some dude just using AI and an AI artist is that an AI artist is good at giving good prompts, using Img2Img to repeatedly change parts of the image and put it back into the AI to get the exact final result and layout you want and using good compositing and colour adjustments to make the final image look better. I don't think an AI artist is remotely on par with a good regular artist, but I think to me at least the term is there to separate people like me who put a lot of work in whilst generating artwork and the average AI user who just puts in a prompt and gets a piece of art.
Some years ago I liked to use it as inspiration for my own art, just for fun and training, I remember being so excited about the whole machine learning thing. Now its just sad
Mainly because it is uninspired. Like the few that used it at first had cool ideas, but the mainstream population doesn't. Like, I'm getting really tired of Beksinski, Giger, Junji Ito, Greg Rutkowski and others applied to very mundane stuff.
And they help. AI will not replace artists. But there are always people who want to take advantage of it. And that's okay. AI is a tool. How you use it depends on the person. Here is a pencil, you can draw with it. But... you can use it to poke someone to death. And people start blaming the pencil. Not a person. Classic.
@@TheRealAbraxas well you can use ai as inspiration or like a foundation, but you cannot use it for the whole thing, think of it like nails, nails can be used to say help build a house, but you can't build a house out of pure nails, and expect anyone to live there.
@@TheRealAbraxas Okay welp try to do something with ai without input. Go in any ai app and without touching keyboard make something with one click. Something specific that only you want. It is not possible. You need to put some effort in it.
@@Azarthes I mean it is pretty greedy I personally have had my art stolen but I don't give af. It's a waste of time to care about getting art stolen even if the person gets more attention than u, like if u care about art getting stolen than ur either a attention seeker or sensitive or want fame waaay to much. But this is all my opinion tho not a actual fact👐👐
@@the_big_5_is_the_goat i dunno i dont exactly think artists are greedy when theyre trying to get credit that costs nothing for their work i can see a company or a person not crediting an artist if they purchased the art, money has already been given and im not their marketing agent. but outright stealing... yea
I know a dude who described ai "artists" perfectly.... "This Dominos pizza is great, I chose all the right toppings/crust/cheeses/sauces! I'm such a great chef!"
@@AI_is_a_tool The argument is VERY valid. You clearly don't know how difficult it is to make art. You're acting like a fucking domino's pizza is the hardest thing in the world to make. Also, 'your art will never be worth $400' HOLY SHIT HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS!? Have you never heard of any famous artists EVER?! There are MILLIONS of art pieces that are worth THOUSANDS. Oh, and your surgery argument can get thrown right out the window because the machine is being used as not only a TOOL, but as an ASSIST to the surgeon. NOT as a replacement, unlike AI. You need to learn that artists put care and love into their work and most of the time have been polishing and practicing their skills for YEARS. AI generated images takes seconds to make and has no care to it whatsoever.
It is not legal, however, there is no certain strict rules on it yet. Imagine being the first photographer in the world and selling your photos as realistic physical art
That's the thing, it's still not even legal lol, no matter how much you changes you make to the original, as long as you still used it without permission or license you're still violating their copyright, it's just the word copyright has become such a dirty word on the internet that these people know they can just bully the actual artist into submission by amassing a mob to harass them.
@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 I'm sure you could make the case that the art is "transformative" and therefore fair use. That said I think this'll probably just be a fad like NFTs. People will stop being impressed when the novelty wears off and people see how unintentionally offputting the images are. Still gross for the time being, though.
To avoid this I think StableDiffusion use Public Domain art or Creative Commons as their copyright are made publicly free. If you want an actual issue, consider using a certain living artist's name alias to create a specifically tailored art and see if they consent about it. If they are using a living artist's name then the AI is directed to take many of their arts directly.
Ai art is like mass produced food engineered to be as delicious/addictive as possible by corporations and it’s like saying there will be no more home cooked meals or fine dining because it’s cheaper and faster to buy microwave meals
I would prefer to pay for a piece made by an artist with a signature style that I‘ve been following, even if I could get an identical piece from a computer. It’s less gratifying and takes the value away. This is less true for industry art/corporations.
Edit: guys stop responding. It’s been a year and this statement was made with the knowledge from this and some other videos talking about it. AI "artists" go trash talking actual artists and they say that there is no point in doing art anymore because AIs are better, but when in reality without human art AI can't generate images. AI doesn't just magically make up images. It looks at real art and generates an image with that. If people stopped drawing, then the AIs wouldn't be able to take part of their artwork to create images.
@@noobatredstone3001 ??? database? You do realize that the database was only used to train it, the AI model exists independent of the database all over the internet that can be downloaded locally on any computer.
@@amartious2123 AI can't capture emotion at all. It can't tell a story with body language or texture. If you try to generate a human then you'll get random limbs, extra fingers, a third eye. If you try to generate a house or a scene then it'll be incoherent and messy, it does not look professional at all. This is becuase the ai doesn't draw or generate from scratch. It looks up random art from the keywords you gave and mashes several peices together. It's like if you buaght three different cakes and stacked them all on top of each other without removing the decorations. It's obviously someone else's hardworking and you kinda just look like an idiot for calling yourself a cake decorator. Real artists are far superior to ai generation.
@@amartious2123 :/ the picture generated by an AI took several years worth of hours due to how much data was needed to correctly make your Squidward Anime Girl icon a reality. Then another set of time just taken to make the damn thing. So yes, an actual artist took less time to make the images the computer is tweaking long before it photoshopped 50 images together.
@@amartious2123 I dunno, maybe because AI literally MERGES ART MADE BY ACTUAL FUCKING ARTISTS? Ai is a cheap art blender that talentless attention seekers on the internet use to get clout. Nothing else.
@@amartious2123 from 5 sec - lifetime. Usually take 4 hour for me. Well A.I might be powerful but they can't create styles, yeah they probably can copy styles from a certain artist like Van Gogh but still they can't copy their history and legacy. Real artist could fix the mistake of a painting while A.I probably change the whole painting, sure they can develop some kind of correction command to fix a certain mistake in the painting but that would take an entire crew of developer to do so. Actual artist might understand more of the customer request when doing something like commission, an A.I would not understand human taste,it just do as the command prompt says, some command might overlap sometime.
The AI tools should force a watermark on the piece so everyone knows it's AI generated. I really think they should do this, every other program has some sort of watermark.
They actually did this with DALLE-2 which always has a watermark on the bottom right, but that can be easily removed by cropping it out. However, each AI generated image has invisible watermarks, machine learning engineers which are ethical could work on AI art detectors trained on them, but they would need to be very careful on such a model and how it is shared or used, as the detection could also be used to improve a model.
at least tracing can be used as good stroke and drawing practice as long as its not being shared and removing watermarks just increases the popularity of the original artist if they get called out. ai 'art' garbage is just a shitstorm of a bunch of stolen artwork put together to make something "new".
@@lorekeeper685 well, tracing is not hard. At all. Designing and training a generative model is. So I'm with AI here. At least, it is more hard work than even drawing a painting it will learn from
I don’t care what anyone says. “AI artists” don’t even deserve to be called “artists.” Real artists create, “AI artists” text something out and then push a button.
@@midnalazuli793 creating what i want to be created, what else could it mean? I want an art and don't really care about the source if art is good for me.
@@midnalazuli793 i can appreciate something apealing to my taste, it's no difference for me if it's made by man or machine(also it's very hard to differ if decent amount of efforts have been put into AI art), same applies for lots of things and the world still didn't collapse because machines took some jobs, i see no difference between AI revolution and any other technological revolution, people lose jobs, prices go down, same as it many times happened and will happen many times in the future.
hopefully this is ai art thing just a trend. don't get me wrong, it's cool in theory, and shows how far we've gotten with technology, but if it's being used maliciously, then i'd rather it be gone.
unfortunately, it is being used maliciously, diffusion stability or something i dont want to bother naming has actually tried to create a workaround to the copyright law in order to make profit off of the arts the ai created based on copyrighted arts.
Honestly i hope so. I mean, in the end all AI art kinda looks the same so if anything look the same people would seek something that looks different. Like you can't eat McDonald everyday. For example I follow a lot of indie heavy metal artists and Lot of them has started using AI art for their cover, to the point I kinda grew uninterested of the cover and stopped checking them. However, I clicked to another band with like 7 views (Pistacia, If anybody is interested) for just the album cover art for how raw/sketchy it looked.
Nah companies didn't pour all this effort in this just to be a trend. They're already rolling out 3d modelling ai. This is the future, for better or worse
@@metausername7195 I just hope it falls down then, like Meta. It would be funny to see like companies putting dangerous amount of money on AI and then having people still liking real artists.
I saw someone say "Artists are only upset because it lets the non talented make something" 1. Art doesn't require talent, you're just lazy. It's a skill anyone can learn. Even people whos art you admire once sucked, they simply put in the effort to get better over a long period of time. 2. You didn't make the artwork. If asking someone to make art for you doesn't make you the creator, neither does asking an AI.
There's more to AI art though, like good prompting, editing problematic details and perfecting your art, but i get your point about people who just post raw results from AI.
@@thesun9210 I'd like to know more about AI. Not interested in using it, I can paint quite well on Photoshop or CSP. Internet stranger here politely asking you If you have some experience with this and tell me more about it.
@@anordinaryfellow2832 well, everything starts with a model, the very base of any generated image, it can be realistic, anime, cartoonish or 3d like, they all give different results and demand personal prompt approach because of weights which affect the noise alteration and as such the final result so a lot of time goes to find optimal key words for every model you use. Then there are smaller models, LORAs, that bring in custom weights and which trained on specific images like characters, styles, clothes and such, their role is to bring something new into the base model, something that wasn't there, i think artists mostly complain about these because there are lots of LORAs trained on specific artists like WLOP or SamDoesArts, and results really look like drawn by them, but it's not really what the whole community rolls around, because characters, detail improvements and NSFW content are far more popular. There is also img2img tab which primarily used as photoshop to fix details like arms, eyes or anything else that needs fixing, or it can be used to generate arts from very basic sketches and it's also used for upscaling the image from 512x512 up to 4k+ or even expand the image beyond it's original content, it is present in photoshop i believe, this feature was very hyped on release, and on SD it was present from very early on. There are also lots of extensions with their own systems like ControlNet which allows to generate characters in specific poses, or take depth maps of pictures to alter the originals without losing the main idea, or also canny type which used to capture all the outlines in the picture, which can be used to paint manga for example. So it's a very big ecosystem that doesn't come down to simply steal artist's work, it's actually a very powerful tool to skip most of the labour work and create new things, that rely only on imagination, community and prompt manipulating skill.
@@thesun9210 That's actually interesting, from the way you describe it. It could truly enhance and make an artist's workflow much faster and more effective. Oh, question( if you don't mind): So an AI generator generates better images if the model that is being employed is (generally speaking) "better" right? Are there developers who charge money for these models? How much could they charge? Or are most models just free to use? (Wanted to thank you for taking your time to write this. Im just Tryna expand my view on this new technology. Guess I'm too lazy to Google it up or smn 💀
@@omnipresentcatgod245 yea sitting on your ass and typing words is so difficult while me sitting for 6 hours is so equal to ai that doesn't even move a damn brush😂
@@SpookyHost Do you think we just type words to get the AI to work perfectly, Nah it's much more complicated. I take hours to generate what I call a "perfect image" without anatomically incorrect things and perfect lighting, proportions and shadow.
@@omnipresentcatgod245 ive used ai art before, and as an actual artist that makes real art, it IS as easy as it sounds. sure it might take you a tiny bit to generate what you want, but all youre doing is sitting on ur ass and clicking a button. no skill involved.
Art is a form of human expression, AI isn't human, it has no emotions, or anything like that. Therefore it cannot create genuine art. (Also Art, like you said requires actual effort.)
It’s so crazy to me that artists can’t put their own Spider-Man drawings on a T-shirt and sell it as their own product. But an A.I company used hundreds of copyrighted Spider-Man images that somebody else made, to train their A.I and sell that A.I as their own product. And share none of the profits to the original artist
@Merucry Poison In Dune there is a galactic war against AIs and computers. Trillions of people died, but using AI is now a herecy with the death penalty. Just a suggestion ;D
@@chuchu5946 In Sumeru any kind of artistic expression is illegal because of how useless it is, we should try that aswell. (Obviously not) Keep trying. AI can't be stopped
Wooow.... wait a second. Can you imagine how hard it is to make AI do that? its easier to Just draw. Why Don't you Just shut up bc you Don't know anything about AI and programming.
@@ihavenoname7599 I tried and failed bc I am not very good at AI programming. I am Better at games and websites. Also programming AI is one of the hardest things to do in the world.
@@GrBiEdits Exactly, thank you. We just disproved that making AI doesn't take "little to no effort" and at least programmers actually contribute something useful to the world. Now I'm reconsidering wanting to be a designer- I don't want to be associated with these entitled brats.
@@ihavenoname7599 Bro the ones who made AI are cool and all but the ones we are talking about are the users who use AI to generate images and then sell it.
this whole ai art thing makes me feel so unmotivated as a young artists, my art isn't that good and I'm trying my best to improve it but seeing people just generating art with one click makes me wanna quit bc I put it so much effort in practicing art😭😭
Hey,as a artiat myself,first off I'd say,don't give up,(: your improving alot trust me and ai can NEVER so what you do other then steal shit, the motivation is that your better then a computer! :D keep on the improvement take breaks when you can and see how far you've come on day!really proud of you!^^ cant wait to see you in art museum one day! :D good luck!
dont give up, please. giving up is the worst thing you can ever do because everyone starts somewhere, you will only get better with time. if you continue, in the future, you will look back at yourself and will be glad that you never gave up.
Give up. While you hone the skill of drawing hands - the AI will already make at least 20 masterpieces at the level of world art. While you learn how to draw eyes - the AI will already make a step-by-step instruction for its "works". By the time you learn anatomy, there will be soooo much generated art, that people will basically lose any interest in art and you will simply lose time.
@@mr.milkoloid9467 haha no. art can be fun and fulfilling to make. it doesn't matter if a computer can do it better. acquiring skills is cool regardless B)
it's so funny that there was an anime about this too (well, about music being robot generated) and the same thing ended up happening... people wanted authentic art made by humans after so long.
I can't wait until AI makes 80% of people unemployed. I really want to see it happen, because at that point someone might stop and think that they need to regulate that sh*t.
Someone probably needs to put restrictions on the machinery used on factories as well, since it decreased the number of work hours needed to produce a single product and thus left many people unemployed, right? Let's thank god people like you are not in power to make any decisions and regulations, otherwise we would still be in a stone age.
I cant wait for it either, then these annoying artists selling crayon drawings will have to find an actual job and only the good artists will remain, for everything else there is AI.
You have to be a real narcissist to call yourself an artist just because you can enter in a few words into a program. It's like calling yourself a GM at chess just because you're using stockfish. What a joke.
I've gotta say, though. Using Novel AI has been a great opportunity for drawing practice, because you can draw an image and upload it as a base for the AI, and worry as much or as little about the detail as you like. I haven't shared any AI generated stuff I've "made" publicly yet, and if I do, I'll post it with the base, if there is one, and make it clear it was generated.
don't use the programs period, i emplore you to watch the video in the pinned comment. these ai, with every generation, are being trained to replace us
@@cooliostarstache5474 for now. and its not really an skill issue. right now, only in novealAI tag on pixiv, you have 50, 000 images. just in 24 days. artist cant post anithing in most tags because those tags are flooded with AI work spitted for secord. in the arg arms behint back, of each 60 work on each page, there are just 3 human made work. its not just "who can make a better image" its, the reality of our works beeing invisible on the sea of AI generated work.
It's astounding to me how proudly delusional AI "artists" are. Creativity, inspiration, art, intellectual property are just some of the words that come to my mind that they do not seem to know the meaning of. But it's sad to me how proudly callous they are. That inauthentic works of theft are celebrated in their world. That real artists are mocked for simply not wanting their passion replaced and their hard work stolen, their reflection of those things important to them used for images that are nothing more than math and equations. AI art is anti-art for the laziest among us. An insult to those who trade their time and money for the pursuit of something that has connected humans across continents, centuries, cultures, etc.
@@justachilldude4356 It works similarly to people. It analyzes images related to the prompt, and finds patterns. Then, it uses the learnt patterns/relations to create a new image. Basically the same as using references to learn.
@@noobatredstone3001 Source? I tried looking it up to double check but got a completely different explanation that was more in line with the "Splicing" idea. In any case I can see where artists get the idea from
Ai artists don't exist. I'll prove it. When I give an artist prompts and money in exchange for an original artwork then I'm comissioning an artwork. When I give ai prompts and money in exchange for an original artwork Then I am the artist? AI artists are not artists, They're ai art comissioners. At best the programmer is the artist. Does microwaving food make me a chef? Does lack of a chef make me the chef? I'f I consider a beautiful river or mountain art, am I considered it's artist? No. They're 'ai users'. Liking something isn't the same as making it
I've used ai art generators just to have fun with my own ideas because I have neither the time nor the desire to learn how to draw, but anyone who wants to sell ai generated "art" as art needs to find the nearest volcano and investigate
The AI is the artist , and what it makes is art, compared to what humans do, it does the exact same thing, you just have no understanding of what you are talking about but there you go sharing your thoughts about it
@@ajdndbdjbdj what do you mean the AI does the same thing that people do? Are you saying that the AI picks up a stylus/paintbrush and then spends countless hours creating the art? Ai just copies the art of random people on the internet to create the ai generated art.
@@JacobXavierGurtones does this guy knows? I dont think so, you see, i mentioned something in my original reply about not knowing what you re talking about before sharing your thoughts, guess what, you've done it again
Makes me scared to post any of my drawings that could be stolen to fuel these things. I spent years getting this far, not perfect but it’s something, and someone with no practice can type a prompt and end up with a full image in seconds and it’s frustrating.
I work as an Artist and we had some dude that joined us.Turned out that he was using AI to "draw" and got the job but was quickly verified by life when he (naturally) wasn't able to do the work when he had to draw something specific or to correct things.Fucking clown.
i don't know about you, but the example it gives is literraly a art of squidward and hatsune miku, which both of them are the intellectual property of their respective owners, and somehow, that is not theft.
AI art should have stayed in the realm of funny shit posts. I have a person I know in IRL who used AI to make "custom original paintings" and framed them, actually sold them at the flea market and made good money :(
thats gonna stop you? Money?really thats the thing that will stop you from the glory of being able to manipulate reality with your own two hands? hey being an artist you should know we do it for the thrill of creation and not for something that will taint your progress. but cant beat them, join em, but thats advice for guys like you. if youre not an artist, oops rip you read through all that.
@@cingcing3540 not everyone is a freaking Leonardo Da Vinci, some still need a job and money, "passion" alone will get you nowhere. Since AI "artists" just managed to outsmart real artists, then yeah it sucks lol that crap could get sold in a cheaper way. But hey isn't that how the world works nowadays anyway? For the grind baby
@@cingcing3540 sorry for breaking your bubble, but many will leave art not because they stopped enjoying it, they will leave it because nobody eats love for breakfast. You can argue that you can get another job and still make art as a hobby, and you'd be right, but every artist aspires to make art for a living, as few things are more glorious than living what you love. and that will be the first thing we will lose when AIs make freelancers obsolete, and the only ones who can make a living from it, are those who sell art as a method of money laundering.
The sad part is there's people who actually pay their hard earned cash on shitty art with a belly button on the woman's neck. Patreon is full of these no talent hacks and they actually end up making decent money. Makes me worry for when AI can handle much larger tokens and continue improving.
I am an artist and I also like making ai art for FUN, but I HATE when people try to pass it off as theirs. I was scared when AI art became a thing that people would of course use it to steal art. :(
Same- I know someone who, like me, cannot draw. They comissioned an artist who needed a reference for their character and provided an AI image and basically said "This AI imagine is the closest I could make, sorry. I'd like if it looked more like XZY. Thanks!" and all was well.
If AI becomes a real deal in the future more and more, then I can say...there will be much much less interest in art and animation becuz those things comes out of real shit of patience, hard work, energy, time, etc. If that AI thing gets on social media and users mis-use it on animations or art stuff...then sadly, there won't be fun anymore. Not only fun, a lot of passion, dreams and imagination will come to an end. It's all over! There will be a social media where art and animations will almost be ignored, even if someone did it without AI.
Naah art isn't so much about how it looks, but what it says, what thoughts, symbols and emotions you portray. Art that just looks good isn't relevant in the long run. Even if the technology evolves to the point that you can just think of a story and everyone can see it in great detail, if the story is trash nobody will be moved and it will be irrelevant.
I saw some real perfect artworks on ai, and they are still boring, it's like to see a wonderfull lake, but there's no artist to admire or conect. So maybe is reaching its limit, because there's nothing that a machine can do beyond perfection... Hopefully people will get bored about ai at the same speed as the ai evolve. Then artists will rise again
hopefully, but if the results they generate are above average then we are still fucked, as soon as big companies can exploit ai's then the demand for artists will simply not exist anymore
@@durd320 well maybe i think that the key is to create a comunity as an artist.. Maybe in the future companies who uses Ai will be canceled, and some companies will still work with artists just to not afront risks. And the community of an artist always mean extra publishment to the industries.. It will be a shit in everway... but i think there's still hope if you fight, But i suggest you if you are an artist, to learn how to use them.. and find a way to improve you art without loose your style , Artist will be always steps forward against average ai users, Because artists has a trained artist vision
@@Mente_Fugaz there are actually protests going on because of ai arts! i cant tell the name because i dont remember it (sorry lol) but i think you can search it up and see if you want to help !
@@durd320 yeah.. i think protest will help at least to make big companies have fear to mess it up with the community. I actually sugest to every artist to join the protest... Making our voices to be heard.
Artists should just make a Syndicate, even if it's just online to post their artwork, it will prevent not only stealing from techbros and such to use their work to feed an algorithm, but also avoid other problems as people in ebay using their artworks to sell shirts and a big etcetera. Heck, even an art page with a protection clause will work, or even forcing people who make ai "art" to put watermarks on the works generated via AI Edit: seeing how the trend has made "progress" i will risk to say, it maybye will not be necessary, this fashion about "art tech" probably already has a timer on his head.
@@pikaa-si9ie the problem is where to start, there's some options but they will cost some preparation, time, maybye money and organization. The "association of concept artists" started something similar, but i don't know if they achieved something sustancial, last time i checked they tried to make other pages put protection clauses to some sites, but nothing more i heard. that would be a good advance, even better if sites like artstation, or other art sites could implement that (that doesn't fully stops someone from stealing your art, but it gives you the tools to make them take your work out)
update: the syndicate wasn't needed, the concept art organization and a formal lawsuit (aside from a 2008 debate about a monkey picture... yes a monkey selfie saved us) was enough to send this debate to hell, we are winning this.
Yup. Both have stolen actual artists' art (especially artists that already passed away) and monetized it as their own But after an AI user actually stole a WIP from a livestream, fed it to AI, and claimed they made the art first, I'm convinced they're worse
That isn't actually how the AI work. They're not collage machines. They learn and reproduce patterns neurologically, it's the same thing your brain is doing. Also works made with AI legally cannot be copywritten because they weren't made by humans. A monkey named Naruto is to thank for that godsend.
its not like your brain at all, it takes other peoples art and art styles and essentially just compiles it into something new. So essentially its just stealing, you can literally just steal someones entire art style if you so please
@@onjulraz754 it's a pesky algorithm "trained" with billions of stolen data and labeled by underpaid human workers and users. Nothing like the human brain, it's not even AI
Late reply ik but A tool for what exactly? Seems to me like it was specifically designed to replace artists who make money through commissions If you wanted it to generate reference images you're better off just searching the internet yourself
@ennope9005 even though AI can generate really impressive images, it will always have difficulty trying to make art as perfect as a human can if it can't even draw hands properly 😅 This is just coming from me, but AI art should be used for inspiration, y'know like instead of imaging it and having a hard time keeping that image in your head, you can see it better on screen and shape it into what you originally want your art to be. You should also mention that you used AI art afterward if you want to share your work because it's better you tell the truth rather than hide the fact you used it because it also shows you have integrity.
Yes, because we see it as an opportunity to draw whatever we want, including things no one else bothered to draw, it's you who see it as theft, when in reality you need picture's data to differ artist's work from AI's.
@@thesun9210 'AI' isn't the culprit here, it's just a fucking software, it's like saying 'Miku' creates her song for example, no, it's the corporation that without express permission have trained there models based on the works on unconsenting artists for monetary gain, also you aren't 'drawing' anything, BUT I'd be okay if this thing was strictly kept as something people could ONLY do for non profit reasons like you seem to suggest, but that's not how it works right? Idiot take.
I love how people are like: 'Oh noes, AI is going to make human artists obsolete', not even considering that not all artists do art for the benefit of companies or that laws concerning copyright infringement are going to catch up eventually.
@@generationm2059 i dont make art to companies and i want money, why? coz i dont eat love. i have to be ahble to make a living to do what i enjoy wich its art.
im "ok" with ai art but i dont get why people are delusional enough to want to claim their ai generated crap is original. especially if they used a special model that they built themselves to copy a specific style
There are different kinds of AI art, possibilities for using this technology are practically limitless, so which "AI art" are you talking about? There is a pretty good definition in law: anything that has enough human input to be considered "minimally creative" is original.
I think this depiction is somewhat unfair, because it is not as though AI simply mashes things together, but uses training data to recognize patterns, the same way humans learn. If you wanted to apply this logic consistently, it would be a similar IP violation if an artist simply took inspiration from another piece of art. As for the permission thing, that too is an argument that most would not want to take to it's logical conclusion, because the only way to prevent your art from becoming training data, be it for AI or inspiration for humans is to prevent them from seeing it, which you can easily do by not uploading it, but if you do put it out there to be seen, I think you should similarly be fine with it being used to create new art. To explain my position on the matter; AI is a new tool akin to the printing press. It makes a new art more accessible and easily produced at scale. Original art in this analogy is similar to calligraphy. Writing by hand used to be the only way for texts to be made, now it isn't a necessity, it's a pure art form. Why then is this a problem? Well, because our society demands that all we do be for profit. The only reason I think artists feel worried about their art being used that way is that now they can not sell their work for profit as effectively anymore. This to be is not criticism of this new tool, but rather the systematic abuse of human labour. Imagine if you did not have to worry about selling your art, if you could just create for it's own sake, would you really be complaining about someone having fun with a tool that you wouldn't consider to be "real art"? In the video linked in the pinned comment, AI art is claimed to be a replacement for artists. Well, why is that? It's not like the AI will in any way affect your ability to make art. The only way you're being replaced is by your ability to sell your art for profit. I certainly know I wouldn't. I would love a future where AI is so good that everyone can make exactly what they have in their mind, no matter what skills they possess. Intellectual property is advertised as protecting creativity, but that is not what it does, or what it was ever meant to do. It is made exclusively to protect profit, and is exclusively damaging to free creative expression. As a final point, it makes absolutely no difference what your opinion on the matter is, automation will always prevail under Capitalism, so if you do not agree with any of my points, it doesn't really matter because unless you address them, there is nothing you can do against the new prevalence of this new technology.
THANK YOU. I wanted to write something like this, but felt lazy and just made a joke instead. I mean, I'm a hobbyist writer, and you wouldn't catch me dead complaining about AI generated writing. It would be an insult to myself to even consider getting mad about such an inconsequential thing. It would be akin to calling the craft of humans writing, itself, useless. A factory can churn out thousands of t-shirts an hour. Yet, there is still a high demand for fine clothing hand-made by a human expert. Swords have been a nearly useless, or at least a secondary weapon at best, for centuries. Yet, there is still demand to see master swordsmen face off against each other. Cameras can snap instantaneous lifelike pictures of any given piece of scenery. And yet, there is still high demand for master painters to paint a picture of said scenery instead. Technology has, and always will, continue to present itself in new forms. This does not make the former profession obsolete, simply more specialized. If anything, craftsmen, painters, and swordfighters have gained even more respect since these technological advances. These people complaining about AI art need to get their heads out of their arses and accept that this is how it's gonna be. Technology has once again advanced, and nothing short of a complete societal memory wipe and destruction of all computers will change the fact that AI art is here to stay, and will only get better and more efficient. Same with AI writing. But I'm not scared, because I have enough damn confidence in myself that I'm not going to be scared away by a few lines of code.
@@generic_commentator_n2488 My point is that the demonetization of AI itself is misplaced, and I find some people way too eager to de legitimize anything AI created. Is it stealing to feed artwork into a neural network? I think that's way less of a clear problem than a lot of people make it out to be. I would of course agree that ideally every artist consented before having their work be used, but I don't think that makes the current AI immoral, a bit questionable maybe. The point I would make is that while it was used as training data, the AI itself would never replicate that piece of art, therefore not repurposing it for commercial use which to me makes it dodge the definition of plagiarism, though I know some people disagree. As I said though, all of that is completely irrelevant, because AI is here now and we need to figure out how to deal with it, which to me is a point to reevaluate how we see intellectual property in the first place. The fact that you can now mass produce mediocre art is supposed to be a new context for artists. Meaning, you don't have to produce art to fill a market, but because you, and those who like your art appreciate it. That is what I want to happen with the progress of AI, because the alternative is that artists keep being bitter, companies ignore them and get more blatant with their theft until eventually being an artist becomes infeasible under capitalism for anyone that isn't already ultra rich.
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I know that this video is a gross oversimplification here's a video with a well researched and well argued takes, it's worth the watch.
ruclips.net/video/tjSxFAGP9Ss/видео.html
*37 seconds ago*
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i ammm sooo glad more and more artists are waking up to this , preach it brother , and thank you so much for your effort to spread the word out !!!
Unrelated but good job with the lip syncing bro that sh*t is way too difficult lmao
I wouldn’t call it an oversimplification, as it doesn’t relate to reality much. At the moment, AI does the very same thing artists do - it looks at references to make its own picture. The linked video does not deny this.
In response, it says:
« The details of stable diffusions’s, or any other model’s process, are not what we want to get caught up on, as new methods will be developed, new companies will emerge, and the technology will change » (8:54)
The first part of this response calls us to ignore details, and the second is speculating about technological advancement (which is fine in context of that video, but not for understanding how the A.I. actually works). Furthermore, the whole section of the video does not seem to ever deny the process’ description in the argument.
To be clear, I am by no means protecting the “AI artists.” The artwork is created by the A.I., not by the prompt writer.
Edit: I had time to watch the video properly now, and it seems to be mainly talking about the ethical issue. The author even specifies that the A.I.’s output is still art.
Everyone think it’s a joke… until AI artists make a Patreon and ask for donations
Sad part is there's one that come to mind.
Though I can't remember his name, he's gotten called out because he's been posting on twitter his clearly AI developed art without tagging it as either AI or non post edited material.
A few art drama RUclipsrs though I know made videos on the situation, but story is the guy opened like a Ko-Fi or something along the lines of that for open commissions to sell his AI art aka compiled stolen assests
until ? there are so many of them, what they 'teach' you is how to put prompts LOL
@@L30N_M Wow, that sounds awful. Selling AI art without tagging it feels like such a scam.
I mean taking requests from friends to make a neat profile pic is one thing (I used it for my DnD character), but to make paid commisions is stealing with extra steps
Don"t worry, that patreon channels are not selling art, are selling prompt tricks, so the consumers are thereselves lol...
And people who sell "art" are basically scaming so their business has short life...
There was scams since a really long ago, people who even sell artists content without consent,
@@Sanches7557 that doesn't sound just awful. I'm pretty sure it's illegal too. It's sad to see this because a handful of scummy people gave such a bad reputation to a tool that could've helped actual artists find new ideas and inspiration.
AI artists are the equivalent of people copying your homework and getting more points than you
Yeaa.
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Or hearing your joke and re-telling it for the whole class to laugh (K&P reference right here)
not only copying. they are the ones who had the idea, but let another person copy it for them
@@Sanches7557 the guy who said the joke, but louder
I once saw an AI "artist" who did AI art "commission" for $15 using a free AI art generator. I'm fucking done
well typing "someone eating cheese realising it was their hair" is worth arguably $30
of course, if that argument is with a toddler
@cantin8697 its definitely hard to add 30 watermarks and send over the screenshot one handed too
@cantin8697 its easy to get random good looking pictures but hard to get specific good looking pictures
The worst part is some people are buying it
Everyday, my faith in humanity decreases a little further
"I made this cake!"
"You bought it from the bakery down the road."
"WELL I TOLD THEM WHAT I WANTED ON IT SO I MADE IT!!!!!!!!!"
Same cope about piracy jesus
stupid comparison Here, rather, I watched hundreds and thousands of bakers create decorations on their cakes, I took those that fit my composition and made them my own way
@@dranfessa please shut up
Well, I wouldn't say I *made* it, more like employed modern slavery to make it and so now it's mine
@@dranfessa made it your own way, you say? By telling bakery what you wanted on it?
I've seen a couple of good artists delete their accounts because their art keep getting stolen for IA. We really are in the worst timeline.
IAs? Like an essay?
@@lolkhars3525 probably they're French
@@sugarsenpai8432 yeah
"Intelligence artificielle"
@@lolkhars3525 Typo I think lol
@@LotFrat france🤮
The only good part of AI art is that normal artists can see what errors they can avoid when making REAL art
Yeah (and reference that they can’t find)
Are we forgetting that Ai can get better??
@@randominternetuser2436 i mean yeah, but it's not that fun to just use words to make art, it's still art but depressing
@@Akacchin I don’t think those companies are making Ai to be fun, they’re training the Ai just to be sold for big companies, nothing more.
And making a lewd picture specifically tailored to your desires.
Calling Ai users artists is like calling fast food junkies chefs, neither make shit themselves
The second one is cap. How pur they not chefs if they cook the food
@@the_big_5_is_the_goat OP's talking about fast food customers, not employees
Well technically fast food junkies do make shit.
What if I make art, think it’s good then 7 months later feed it into ai, trace it and fix it up a bit, and make more art? Is that technically bad?
And the ai in question was just an HD regeneration of my own art
Artists are like people who spent 5 years learning a foreign language, while ai artists are the ones who use google translate and pretend like they understand the language and the culture behind it.
yep
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This hits me in another stage of pain
*cough cough* wehraboos
Culture behind it is crazy when you talk about drawing
They aren't even artists, they're users, the machine creates the art, they just tell it to do, and even then it's from references other humans create.
THIS RIGHT HERE ☝
Exactly! That’s like saying you’re an author bc you posted an AI Dungeon session online
And when Ai becomes good, they will just sell it to big companies, selling ARTISTS work
I'm a regular artist but I also use AI and consider myself an AI artist. I think the difference between some dude just using AI and an AI artist is that an AI artist is good at giving good prompts, using Img2Img to repeatedly change parts of the image and put it back into the AI to get the exact final result and layout you want and using good compositing and colour adjustments to make the final image look better. I don't think an AI artist is remotely on par with a good regular artist, but I think to me at least the term is there to separate people like me who put a lot of work in whilst generating artwork and the average AI user who just puts in a prompt and gets a piece of art.
@@EdenHamilton I get your point, but I must question, do you use your own art or just an Ai that steals other people’s art?
At first ai art was cool when people were messing around with it and having fun but now its becoming mainstream and that aint it
Me basically on anything lol
when it's for fun quircky horrors, sure
But when people "train" the ai to simply emulate an artist art and punish that artist, that's too much
Some years ago I liked to use it as inspiration for my own art, just for fun and training, I remember being so excited about the whole machine learning thing. Now its just sad
Mainly because it is uninspired. Like the few that used it at first had cool ideas, but the mainstream population doesn't. Like, I'm getting really tired of Beksinski, Giger, Junji Ito, Greg Rutkowski and others applied to very mundane stuff.
Agree
Assert dominance on the prompt writers by commissioning them to make a fully hand-drawn illustration.
Never thought I'd be in the same boat as the "show your work" kinda of teacher
Yes this right here
Assert dominance by 150 word description of what you want
@@matheussanthiago9685 "you and I aint so different after all"
assert dominance by asking for something extremely specific and detailed
Ai shouldn't replace artists, they should HELP artists. Period.
And they help. AI will not replace artists. But there are always people who want to take advantage of it. And that's okay. AI is a tool. How you use it depends on the person. Here is a pencil, you can draw with it. But... you can use it to poke someone to death. And people start blaming the pencil. Not a person. Classic.
@@Mozgum how is it a “tool” if it makes the whole thing for you?… Tool implies some sort of input by the user to execute an idea.
@@TheRealAbraxas well you can use ai as inspiration or like a foundation, but you cannot use it for the whole thing, think of it like nails, nails can be used to say help build a house, but you can't build a house out of pure nails, and expect anyone to live there.
@@TheRealAbraxas Okay welp try to do something with ai without input. Go in any ai app and without touching keyboard make something with one click. Something specific that only you want. It is not possible. You need to put some effort in it.
@@TheRealAbraxas think sometimes before saying something, grandpa.
artist : *trained for years*
ai : "fuck you find other job go back to college"
theyll also tell you that youre greedy and its a good thing youre being filtered out of the job market
@@Azarthes I mean it is pretty greedy I personally have had my art stolen but I don't give af. It's a waste of time to care about getting art stolen even if the person gets more attention than u, like if u care about art getting stolen than ur either a attention seeker or sensitive or want fame waaay to much. But this is all my opinion tho not a actual fact👐👐
@@the_big_5_is_the_goat i dunno i dont exactly think artists are greedy when theyre trying to get credit that costs nothing for their work
i can see a company or a person not crediting an artist if they purchased the art, money has already been given and im not their marketing agent.
but outright stealing... yea
@@Azarthes meh
@@Azarthes I don't either tbh. All of my opinions are very simple but also very very complicated so it's like meh 🤷🏾
I know a dude who described ai "artists" perfectly.... "This Dominos pizza is great, I chose all the right toppings/crust/cheeses/sauces! I'm such a great chef!"
exactly that
Lmao best description I've heard so far
And they took it without paying because they "made" it
@@AI_is_a_tool The argument is VERY valid. You clearly don't know how difficult it is to make art. You're acting like a fucking domino's pizza is the hardest thing in the world to make. Also, 'your art will never be worth $400' HOLY SHIT HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS!? Have you never heard of any famous artists EVER?! There are MILLIONS of art pieces that are worth THOUSANDS. Oh, and your surgery argument can get thrown right out the window because the machine is being used as not only a TOOL, but as an ASSIST to the surgeon. NOT as a replacement, unlike AI. You need to learn that artists put care and love into their work and most of the time have been polishing and practicing their skills for YEARS. AI generated images takes seconds to make and has no care to it whatsoever.
So AI art just became another way to steal artists work legally
It is not legal, however, there is no certain strict rules on it yet.
Imagine being the first photographer in the world and selling your photos as realistic physical art
PRETTY MUCH :(
That's the thing, it's still not even legal lol, no matter how much you changes you make to the original, as long as you still used it without permission or license you're still violating their copyright, it's just the word copyright has become such a dirty word on the internet that these people know they can just bully the actual artist into submission by amassing a mob to harass them.
@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 I'm sure you could make the case that the art is "transformative" and therefore fair use.
That said I think this'll probably just be a fad like NFTs. People will stop being impressed when the novelty wears off and people see how unintentionally offputting the images are. Still gross for the time being, though.
To avoid this I think StableDiffusion use Public Domain art or Creative Commons as their copyright are made publicly free.
If you want an actual issue, consider using a certain living artist's name alias to create a specifically tailored art and see if they consent about it.
If they are using a living artist's name then the AI is directed to take many of their arts directly.
Ai art is like mass produced food engineered to be as delicious/addictive as possible by corporations and it’s like saying there will be no more home cooked meals or fine dining because it’s cheaper and faster to buy microwave meals
I would prefer to pay for a piece made by an artist with a signature style that I‘ve been following, even if I could get an identical piece from a computer. It’s less gratifying and takes the value away. This is less true for industry art/corporations.
Based
I bet those "artists" can't even draw shit on paper
not all of them, i have seen some ai artist's debunk this because of comments like these....so how much do you wanna bet 🤔
Yes I bet most of them can't
crippling phobia of pens and papers or something
@@menace21_self63 then use your own art and stop stealing ours lmao
@@Rainjojo real
Edit: guys stop responding. It’s been a year and this statement was made with the knowledge from this and some other videos talking about it.
AI "artists" go trash talking actual artists and they say that there is no point in doing art anymore because AIs are better, but when in reality without human art AI can't generate images. AI doesn't just magically make up images. It looks at real art and generates an image with that. If people stopped drawing, then the AIs wouldn't be able to take part of their artwork to create images.
If humans stopped drawing, the A.I.s would still be able to. If the database was erased, they wouldn’t.
You're a serious hypocrite
@@ihavenoname7599 how am I a hypocrite?
@@noobatredstone3001 ??? database? You do realize that the database was only used to train it, the AI model exists independent of the database all over the internet that can be downloaded locally on any computer.
@@dibbidydoo4318 Well, then it would just become impossible to create new art generating A.I.s.
actual artist: *look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power*
How long to you take to draw a picture?
I'm not an AI model user at all, just wondering how exactly you consider actual artists to be superior to AI.
@@amartious2123 AI can't capture emotion at all. It can't tell a story with body language or texture. If you try to generate a human then you'll get random limbs, extra fingers, a third eye. If you try to generate a house or a scene then it'll be incoherent and messy, it does not look professional at all.
This is becuase the ai doesn't draw or generate from scratch. It looks up random art from the keywords you gave and mashes several peices together. It's like if you buaght three different cakes and stacked them all on top of each other without removing the decorations. It's obviously someone else's hardworking and you kinda just look like an idiot for calling yourself a cake decorator.
Real artists are far superior to ai generation.
@@amartious2123 :/ the picture generated by an AI took several years worth of hours due to how much data was needed to correctly make your Squidward Anime Girl icon a reality. Then another set of time just taken to make the damn thing.
So yes, an actual artist took less time to make the images the computer is tweaking long before it photoshopped 50 images together.
@@amartious2123 I dunno, maybe because AI literally MERGES ART MADE BY ACTUAL FUCKING ARTISTS?
Ai is a cheap art blender that talentless attention seekers on the internet use to get clout. Nothing else.
@@amartious2123 from 5 sec - lifetime. Usually take 4 hour for me. Well A.I might be powerful but they can't create styles, yeah they probably can copy styles from a certain artist like Van Gogh but still they can't copy their history and legacy. Real artist could fix the mistake of a painting while A.I probably change the whole painting, sure they can develop some kind of correction command to fix a certain mistake in the painting but that would take an entire crew of developer to do so. Actual artist might understand more of the customer request when doing something like commission, an A.I would not understand human taste,it just do as the command prompt says, some command might overlap sometime.
Ai artists telling artists not to make art anymore is like telling someone to stop making a sandwich because they can order it online
Or also like asking chefs to stop making complex dishes because mcdonalds exists
exactly. even hooty agrees
Yeah or like ask the bakeries to stop making bread when you literally need bread to make a sandwich in the first place
The AI tools should force a watermark on the piece so everyone knows it's AI generated. I really think they should do this, every other program has some sort of watermark.
How is anyone going to enforce that? you think only big companies have access to it? anyone with a computer can remove it.
@@dibbidydoo4318 the process of removing any kind of watermark is of course scarilly easy
This would be pretty easy to remove, tho i did see a lot of people forget to remove the watermark and get called out on their BS
Big waterwark covering 80% of the image so they can't crop it like little shits
They actually did this with DALLE-2 which always has a watermark on the bottom right, but that can be easily removed by cropping it out. However, each AI generated image has invisible watermarks, machine learning engineers which are ethical could work on AI art detectors trained on them, but they would need to be very careful on such a model and how it is shared or used, as the detection could also be used to improve a model.
💀 When AI improves furthermore in the near future, we are fucked.
As long as they can’t invent new things we’re not totally screwed
Or the opposite is possible if $ex bots will become more advanced. So bad that it is good actually.
@@electrocola9765 uh oh...
Ai was a mistake 💀
It's the "AI replaces humans"-shit all over again lol
You heard of tracing, you heard of removing watermarks, now there's new method!!
at least tracing can be used as good stroke and drawing practice as long as its not being shared and removing watermarks just increases the popularity of the original artist if they get called out. ai 'art' garbage is just a shitstorm of a bunch of stolen artwork put together to make something "new".
Tracing is fine
Others are not
@@lorekeeper685 well, tracing is not hard. At all. Designing and training a generative model is. So I'm with AI here. At least, it is more hard work than even drawing a painting it will learn from
@@usser-505 why not do tracing than?
It's more moral it looks better and it's easier
So why use unmoral ugly one? That machine learning causes
@@usser-505 except the fact that YOU are not the one doing it. That's the work of a software engineer, not AI "artists".
Most AI artist can’t even code ☠️
I don't get the point you're trying to make because most artists can't code in the first place
@@Sharp22CatFish I don’t think that’s the point of the comment
Is there really any need for coding when it comes to drawing or painting?
@@ceejay_outstanding6546 I understand
Realest take
Actually some of us code and draw. It's all helpful in 3d work. AI artists will fall behind because of their laziness
A.I artists with pen and paper - "Well pen, here's what I want you to write..."
Pen does nothing.
A.I artists - begin a crying session.
Underrated
I don’t care what anyone says. “AI artists” don’t even deserve to be called “artists.” Real artists create, “AI artists” text something out and then push a button.
Depends on who defines the "art", I as a customer don't really care how the painting was created if it fulfills to my desires.
@@thesun9210
“Fulfill your desires?” What the actual fuck is that supposed to mean?
@@midnalazuli793 creating what i want to be created, what else could it mean? I want an art and don't really care about the source if art is good for me.
@@thesun9210
Can you really say you appreciate art if you don't even care who or what makes it?
@@midnalazuli793 i can appreciate something apealing to my taste, it's no difference for me if it's made by man or machine(also it's very hard to differ if decent amount of efforts have been put into AI art), same applies for lots of things and the world still didn't collapse because machines took some jobs, i see no difference between AI revolution and any other technological revolution, people lose jobs, prices go down, same as it many times happened and will happen many times in the future.
I am seeing Ai art accounts
Makes me sad they blow up more than actual artists who do hand work
not really surprised there.. they spam images hundreds per day while real artist post once a week.. they will get more attention of course..
L to AI artists @@ferrijuhul
AI Artist are the new cryptobros
hopefully this is ai art thing just a trend. don't get me wrong, it's cool in theory, and shows how far we've gotten with technology, but if it's being used maliciously, then i'd rather it be gone.
unfortunately, it is being used maliciously, diffusion stability or something i dont want to bother naming has actually tried to create a workaround to the copyright law in order to make profit off of the arts the ai created based on copyrighted arts.
It feels like the nft craze all over again.
Granted, I don't know if it will end in the same way or at all
Honestly i hope so. I mean, in the end all AI art kinda looks the same so if anything look the same people would seek something that looks different. Like you can't eat McDonald everyday. For example I follow a lot of indie heavy metal artists and Lot of them has started using AI art for their cover, to the point I kinda grew uninterested of the cover and stopped checking them. However, I clicked to another band with like 7 views (Pistacia, If anybody is interested) for just the album cover art for how raw/sketchy it looked.
Nah companies didn't pour all this effort in this just to be a trend. They're already rolling out 3d modelling ai. This is the future, for better or worse
@@metausername7195 I just hope it falls down then, like Meta. It would be funny to see like companies putting dangerous amount of money on AI and then having people still liking real artists.
I personally don't hate the existence of ai but yeah people entering a prompt and calling themselves artists is just disgusting
I saw someone say "Artists are only upset because it lets the non talented make something"
1. Art doesn't require talent, you're just lazy. It's a skill anyone can learn. Even people whos art you admire once sucked, they simply put in the effort to get better over a long period of time.
2. You didn't make the artwork.
If asking someone to make art for you doesn't make you the creator, neither does asking an AI.
There's more to AI art though, like good prompting, editing problematic details and perfecting your art, but i get your point about people who just post raw results from AI.
@@thesun9210 I'd like to know more about AI. Not interested in using it, I can paint quite well on Photoshop or CSP.
Internet stranger here politely asking you If you have some experience with this and tell me more about it.
@@anordinaryfellow2832 well, everything starts with a model, the very base of any generated image, it can be realistic, anime, cartoonish or 3d like, they all give different results and demand personal prompt approach because of weights which affect the noise alteration and as such the final result so a lot of time goes to find optimal key words for every model you use.
Then there are smaller models, LORAs, that bring in custom weights and which trained on specific images like characters, styles, clothes and such, their role is to bring something new into the base model, something that wasn't there, i think artists mostly complain about these because there are lots of LORAs trained on specific artists like WLOP or SamDoesArts, and results really look like drawn by them, but it's not really what the whole community rolls around, because characters, detail improvements and NSFW content are far more popular.
There is also img2img tab which primarily used as photoshop to fix details like arms, eyes or anything else that needs fixing, or it can be used to generate arts from very basic sketches and it's also used for upscaling the image from 512x512 up to 4k+ or even expand the image beyond it's original content, it is present in photoshop i believe, this feature was very hyped on release, and on SD it was present from very early on.
There are also lots of extensions with their own systems like ControlNet which allows to generate characters in specific poses, or take depth maps of pictures to alter the originals without losing the main idea, or also canny type which used to capture all the outlines in the picture, which can be used to paint manga for example.
So it's a very big ecosystem that doesn't come down to simply steal artist's work, it's actually a very powerful tool to skip most of the labour work and create new things, that rely only on imagination, community and prompt manipulating skill.
@@anordinaryfellow2832AI is only limited by how limited the human mind is, basically because its made by a human
@@thesun9210 That's actually interesting, from the way you describe it. It could truly enhance and make an artist's workflow much faster and more effective.
Oh, question( if you don't mind): So an AI generator generates better images if the model that is being employed is (generally speaking) "better" right?
Are there developers who charge money for these models? How much could they charge? Or are most models just free to use?
(Wanted to thank you for taking your time to write this. Im just Tryna expand my view on this new technology. Guess I'm too lazy to Google it up or smn 💀
I fucking hate AI artists, they're delusional for thinking that feeding prompts into a machine is the same as making real art
Well both takes effort but making real art is much harder
@@omnipresentcatgod245 yea sitting on your ass and typing words is so difficult while me sitting for 6 hours is so equal to ai that doesn't even move a damn brush😂
@@SpookyHost Do you think we just type words to get the AI to work perfectly, Nah it's much more complicated. I take hours to generate what I call a "perfect image" without anatomically incorrect things and perfect lighting, proportions and shadow.
@@omnipresentcatgod245 literally just clicking a button
@@omnipresentcatgod245 ive used ai art before, and as an actual artist that makes real art, it IS as easy as it sounds. sure it might take you a tiny bit to generate what you want, but all youre doing is sitting on ur ass and clicking a button. no skill involved.
ai "artists" after sitting down in their chair typing words for more than 5 minutes: "I... Can't... Breathe... Lord... WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME!?"
@@ThatZenoGuy they don't say the words, they feel like that
Remember artists, you alone have the power, TO DRAW THEM PREGNANT
what?
@@Joyscp999literally search “draw them pregnant” you’ll get your answer, or “a message to artists vs AI”
@@FruitBanana420 gay
AI can do that too lol
@@JahonCross lol
Honestly a kid drawing stick figures has put way more effort than AI artists
I'm sorry but I feel that if the kid did a good job on that, it's more to be recognized than the fact that he put effort into making stick figures.
i'm here
AI art isn’t art, it’s a generated image.
Art requires effort. A Machine can’t put out effort.
Art is a form of human expression, AI isn't human, it has no emotions, or anything like that. Therefore it cannot create genuine art. (Also Art, like you said requires actual effort.)
@@AI_is_a_tool
wow you were wrong four times in one and one fourth paragraphs
It’s so crazy to me that artists can’t put their own Spider-Man drawings on a T-shirt and sell it as their own product.
But an A.I company used hundreds of copyrighted Spider-Man images that somebody else made, to train their A.I and sell that A.I as their own product.
And share none of the profits to the original artist
Remember in Detroit become human all the people were attacking and hating on the robots, we should start doing that in real life nowadays
Ah yes, because i learnt to draw with dragon ball i can no longer sell my art because i was trained on a copyrighted media, yeah shut up
@Merucry Poison In Dune there is a galactic war against AIs and computers. Trillions of people died, but using AI is now a herecy with the death penalty.
Just a suggestion ;D
@@merucrypoison296 Tell me you haven't played the game lol
@@chuchu5946 In Sumeru any kind of artistic expression is illegal because of how useless it is, we should try that aswell.
(Obviously not)
Keep trying. AI can't be stopped
AI art is like NFT, made with little to no effort, can be sold for shit ton of money while making the real artists suffer
Wooow.... wait a second. Can you imagine how hard it is to make AI do that?
its easier to Just draw.
Why Don't you Just shut up bc you Don't know anything about AI and programming.
Try to make your own program like that. Then tell me how much effort it took
@@ihavenoname7599 I tried and failed bc I am not very good at AI programming. I am Better at games and websites.
Also programming AI is one of the hardest things to do in the world.
@@GrBiEdits Exactly, thank you. We just disproved that making AI doesn't take "little to no effort" and at least programmers actually contribute something useful to the world. Now I'm reconsidering wanting to be a designer- I don't want to be associated with these entitled brats.
@@ihavenoname7599 Bro the ones who made AI are cool and all but the ones we are talking about are the users who use AI to generate images and then sell it.
this whole ai art thing makes me feel so unmotivated as a young artists, my art isn't that good and I'm trying my best to improve it but seeing people just generating art with one click makes me wanna quit bc I put it so much effort in practicing art😭😭
Hey,as a artiat myself,first off I'd say,don't give up,(: your improving alot trust me and ai can NEVER so what you do other then steal shit, the motivation is that your better then a computer! :D keep on the improvement take breaks when you can and see how far you've come on day!really proud of you!^^ cant wait to see you in art museum one day! :D good luck!
dont give up, please. giving up is the worst thing you can ever do because everyone starts somewhere, you will only get better with time.
if you continue, in the future, you will look back at yourself and will be glad that you never gave up.
Give up. While you hone the skill of drawing hands - the AI will already make at least 20 masterpieces at the level of world art. While you learn how to draw eyes - the AI will already make a step-by-step instruction for its "works". By the time you learn anatomy, there will be soooo much generated art, that people will basically lose any interest in art and you will simply lose time.
i feel this, I've already been struggling with motivation for various reasons and this is just a cherry on top
@@mr.milkoloid9467 haha no. art can be fun and fulfilling to make. it doesn't matter if a computer can do it better. acquiring skills is cool regardless B)
Ai artist: I will also put a watermark on it, you need to credit me to use it, and Im going to write nonesense about my spark of creativity.
Lmao😭
it's so funny that there was an anime about this too (well, about music being robot generated) and the same thing ended up happening... people wanted authentic art made by humans after so long.
Can you tell me the name of the anime?
@@shivanik5315 carole & tuesday!
@@naudalyke man I totally thought you were gonna say Vivy: fluorite eyes song for a second lmao
@@AshEshyr 👀 no clue what that is, but I'm interested lol I'll check it out
@@naudalyke I love that show!
Real artist will always be better
Because they put effort
Effort and quality doesn't matter these days. People just care about pumping shit out as fast as possible to make a quick buck.
effort doesn't equal value, that's a dated communist concept
I can't wait until AI makes 80% of people unemployed.
I really want to see it happen, because at that point someone might stop and think that they need to regulate that sh*t.
Yea, capitalism really needs to be regulated, it's absolutely unsustainable in the age of automation
Someone probably needs to put restrictions on the machinery used on factories as well, since it decreased the number of work hours needed to produce a single product and thus left many people unemployed, right? Let's thank god people like you are not in power to make any decisions and regulations, otherwise we would still be in a stone age.
I cant wait for it either, then these annoying artists selling crayon drawings will have to find an actual job and only the good artists will remain, for everything else there is AI.
AI freeing us from all jobs? Sounds good.
You have to be a real narcissist to call yourself an artist just because you can enter in a few words into a program. It's like calling yourself a GM at chess just because you're using stockfish. What a joke.
In other words, you just have to be Shad from Shadiversity.
I've gotta say, though. Using Novel AI has been a great opportunity for drawing practice, because you can draw an image and upload it as a base for the AI, and worry as much or as little about the detail as you like.
I haven't shared any AI generated stuff I've "made" publicly yet, and if I do, I'll post it with the base, if there is one, and make it clear it was generated.
don't use the programs period, i emplore you to watch the video in the pinned comment. these ai, with every generation, are being trained to replace us
@@thealliedpowers Sounds like a skill issue
@@cooliostarstache5474 for now.
and its not really an skill issue. right now, only in novealAI tag on pixiv, you have 50, 000 images.
just in 24 days. artist cant post anithing in most tags because those tags are flooded with AI work spitted for secord. in the arg arms behint back, of each 60 work on each page, there are just 3 human made work.
its not just "who can make a better image" its, the reality of our works beeing invisible on the sea of AI generated work.
@@hontilash the term skill issue is a meme, btw. I wasn't making a serious comment, at least not 100% serious
@@cooliostarstache5474 sometimes it gets really hard for me to not insult people, i hope you have a horrible day and at least improve as a human being
It's astounding to me how proudly delusional AI "artists" are. Creativity, inspiration, art, intellectual property are just some of the words that come to my mind that they do not seem to know the meaning of. But it's sad to me how proudly callous they are. That inauthentic works of theft are celebrated in their world. That real artists are mocked for simply not wanting their passion replaced and their hard work stolen, their reflection of those things important to them used for images that are nothing more than math and equations. AI art is anti-art for the laziest among us. An insult to those who trade their time and money for the pursuit of something that has connected humans across continents, centuries, cultures, etc.
cope HARDER for me pls.
@@siloporcen the average brainrot response. no surprise there
@@emmariley1980 LOL soo mad. keep it up for me.
@@siloporcenwhiny bitch alert !! Average ai "artist" !! Cry louder, lmao 💞 xoxo
@@siloporcenno life troll
Everyone : AI art is so good, looks like human artists are getting replaced
Ai Art : Is literally just spliced human art
Lmao i like that the artists as a coping mechanism decided to make up the fable of the a.i that creates collages.
@@misterprop9089 they could've gone for an actual argument route instead of a shit talk route tbh
@@misterprop9089 Elaborate please, I'm just talking from what I've heard , if it does work differently I'd like to know how
@@justachilldude4356 It works similarly to people. It analyzes images related to the prompt, and finds patterns. Then, it uses the learnt patterns/relations to create a new image. Basically the same as using references to learn.
@@noobatredstone3001 Source? I tried looking it up to double check but got a completely different explanation that was more in line with the "Splicing" idea. In any case I can see where artists get the idea from
Ai artists don't exist. I'll prove it.
When I give an artist prompts and money in exchange for an original artwork then I'm comissioning an artwork.
When I give ai prompts and money in exchange for an original artwork Then I am the artist?
AI artists are not artists, They're ai art comissioners. At best the programmer is the artist.
Does microwaving food make me a chef? Does lack of a chef make me the chef? I'f I consider a beautiful river or mountain art, am I considered it's artist? No. They're 'ai users'. Liking something isn't the same as making it
Finally someone said it. Thank you 🙏
The matter is more complex than this, however this is a good example of how AI art generators can be abused.
First NFT and now This, Damn...
"I am not asking for your permission" is the most painful part of this video ngl.
Not artists, AI prompters!
Not the Art Commissioners, Greedy and Happy Merchants.
You know what? I’m gonna double down on my art because of this!
THAT' THE RIGHT SPIRIT! YOU CAN DO IT BRO!
Same
Yeah but it'll be even more art in the database of those AI so...
It don't really solve the problem...
(Sorry if it comes off as rude😖🙏)
The better u r art the better their art
@@dingdong896 Not if they can't find it ;)
I've used ai art generators just to have fun with my own ideas because I have neither the time nor the desire to learn how to draw, but anyone who wants to sell ai generated "art" as art needs to find the nearest volcano and investigate
Fr fr,can be good to think of ideas,but once a job or somethin,that shit is just made lazy lmao
I also use Ai generators for fun
Ai art isn't art, and will never be art. Typing "hatsune miku in a banana suit" will never be art.
The AI is the artist , and what it makes is art, compared to what humans do, it does the exact same thing, you just have no understanding of what you are talking about but there you go sharing your thoughts about it
@@ajdndbdjbdj what do you mean the AI does the same thing that people do? Are you saying that the AI picks up a stylus/paintbrush and then spends countless hours creating the art? Ai just copies the art of random people on the internet to create the ai generated art.
@@ajdndbdjbdj what I meant by "it will never be art" is that the fact it took no effort, time, skill, or money for the ai to create the "art".
@@JacobXavierGurtones does this guy knows? I dont think so, you see, i mentioned something in my original reply about not knowing what you re talking about before sharing your thoughts, guess what, you've done it again
@@ajdndbdjbdj WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG????
Hey i worked really hard putting in the Konami code of descriptors to get my anime girl to look like existing property 😡
I love this comment
Makes me scared to post any of my drawings that could be stolen to fuel these things. I spent years getting this far, not perfect but it’s something, and someone with no practice can type a prompt and end up with a full image in seconds and it’s frustrating.
Try to poison your artwork with nighshade or use glaze
Calling these people "artists" is just inaccurate. "Entitled talentless thieves" is more like it.
W comment
@@sockening W reply
COPE.
@@leebinpoggersmomento6101 >no support
>says "Cope"
Lmao, someone got offended
Finally, someone says it how it is. It's sooooo cute how thieves want to feel special soooo badly.
I need Squidward going undercover as Hatsune Miku in my life tbh
AI art was good when using it as references or just playing around, but then ppl really had to take something cool and turn it into something bad
The term
AI artist
Needs to be renamed to
Good describer.
Some of them are even too lazy to describe and ask chat-gpt to write the prompt 🤭
And then they get mad at ppl for stealing their prompts
this is basically a uneccesary fight
Look at theses Tiny ai "Artist" Only a mimicking A fraction Of an actual artist power
@@sinistered5216 more like "a real" artist got scared of a tool
@@user-GrayStorm Looks like an ai "artist" thinks they have skill after pressing a few buttons
@@Wombattuus both are having a huge fucking ego but guess what, showing these few ai prompters doesn't answer why you butthurt on a tool
@@user-GrayStorm I'm not butthurt just people thinking they're so superior with a tool and no skill.
I like generating AI art, but I always say a AI did it cause duh
I work as an Artist and we had some dude that joined us.Turned out that he was using AI to "draw" and got the job but was quickly verified by life when he (naturally) wasn't able to do the work when he had to draw something specific or to correct things.Fucking clown.
and this is why AI won't replace most creative jobs, lmao
If you ever feel useless, remember that AI “artists” like these exist.
i don't know about you, but the example it gives is literraly a art of squidward and hatsune miku, which both of them are the intellectual property of their respective owners, and somehow, that is not theft.
cope
Controversial opinion time.
Ai art isn't real art.
it is if you wrote the ai.
That ain't controversial. That's a fact
More like "Generated Image" rather than art
@@100crabs making plane doesn't make you a pilot
@@Wikarian99PL so true
AI art should have stayed in the realm of funny shit posts.
I have a person I know in IRL who used AI to make "custom original paintings" and framed them, actually sold them at the flea market and made good money :(
thats gonna stop you? Money?really thats the thing that will stop you from the glory of being able to manipulate reality with your own two hands? hey being an artist you should know we do it for the thrill of creation and not for something that will taint your progress. but cant beat them, join em, but thats advice for guys like you.
if youre not an artist, oops rip you read through all that.
@@cingcing3540 not everyone is a freaking Leonardo Da Vinci, some still need a job and money, "passion" alone will get you nowhere.
Since AI "artists" just managed to outsmart real artists, then yeah it sucks lol that crap could get sold in a cheaper way. But hey isn't that how the world works nowadays anyway? For the grind baby
@@ammagon4519 cheers
@@cingcing3540 sorry for breaking your bubble, but many will leave art not because they stopped enjoying it, they will leave it because nobody eats love for breakfast.
You can argue that you can get another job and still make art as a hobby, and you'd be right, but every artist aspires to make art for a living, as few things are more glorious than living what you love.
and that will be the first thing we will lose when AIs make freelancers obsolete, and the only ones who can make a living from it, are those who sell art as a method of money laundering.
@@hontilash oops I know, I have some loose wires in my head.
Mean like never had much in the first place so it won't change much
I'm very glad so many people view AI ''''''''''''Artists'''''''''''' so negatively.
I got an advert for an ai image generator before this video. Oh the irony
Making AI art is like ordering food at a restaurant, but all the food is stolen from other restaurants
No it's like ordering food and then saying you're a chef because u made it
No it's like ordering food at a restaurant, but the chef learned how to cook at all the other restaurants
@@onjulraz754 and he is robot.
The sad part is there's people who actually pay their hard earned cash on shitty art with a belly button on the woman's neck. Patreon is full of these no talent hacks and they actually end up making decent money. Makes me worry for when AI can handle much larger tokens and continue improving.
I am an artist and I also like making ai art for FUN, but I HATE when people try to pass it off as theirs. I was scared when AI art became a thing that people would of course use it to steal art. :(
same, i think its fun to experiment with random phrases and words, but i am also someone who does both digital art, traditional art and photography
YES!
I still remember that time where I used dale-mini to make "Jacksepticeye chasing you with a knife". Those were the good ol' days
Using AI for actually creative reasons or just messign around can be fun and interesting.
Using AI _for profit and clout_ is reprehensible.
Same- I know someone who, like me, cannot draw. They comissioned an artist who needed a reference for their character and provided an AI image and basically said "This AI imagine is the closest I could make, sorry. I'd like if it looked more like XZY. Thanks!" and all was well.
This is me and what i do in my free time
“DRAW THEM PREGNANT” -Hatsune Miku
the reference?
that soo true bc it happened to my friend arts.
Ai artists are the equivalent to someone putting a pizza in a microwave and calling themselves a chef
AI bros when they realise they can’t use AI for everything and eventually their laziness will have consequences: 😮
0:05 i saw amogus in those eyes 👀
If AI becomes a real deal in the future more and more, then I can say...there will be much much less interest in art and animation becuz those things comes out of real shit of patience, hard work, energy, time, etc. If that AI thing gets on social media and users mis-use it on animations or art stuff...then sadly, there won't be fun anymore. Not only fun, a lot of passion, dreams and imagination will come to an end. It's all over! There will be a social media where art and animations will almost be ignored, even if someone did it without AI.
Naah art isn't so much about how it looks, but what it says, what thoughts, symbols and emotions you portray. Art that just looks good isn't relevant in the long run. Even if the technology evolves to the point that you can just think of a story and everyone can see it in great detail, if the story is trash nobody will be moved and it will be irrelevant.
“Man, this domino’s pizza is great! I chose all the right toppings! I’m such a great chef 😌”
Funny how you copied a comment to mock people who copy artwork
@@domukelis Oooh, the irony.
The fact even a litterally 5 year old kid's drawing has more effort than AI
Effort doesn't apply to AI. The quality though depends on the model.
I saw some real perfect artworks on ai, and they are still boring, it's like to see a wonderfull lake, but there's no artist to admire or conect.
So maybe is reaching its limit, because there's nothing that a machine can do beyond perfection...
Hopefully people will get bored about ai at the same speed as the ai evolve.
Then artists will rise again
AI can't make anything with meaning because meaning is a human thing that AI can't get.
hopefully, but if the results they generate are above average then we are still fucked, as soon as big companies can exploit ai's then the demand for artists will simply not exist anymore
@@durd320 well maybe i think that the key is to create a comunity as an artist..
Maybe in the future companies who uses Ai will be canceled, and some companies will still work with artists just to not afront risks.
And the community of an artist always mean extra publishment to the industries..
It will be a shit in everway... but i think there's still hope if you fight,
But i suggest you if you are an artist, to learn how to use them.. and find a way to improve you art without loose your style ,
Artist will be always steps forward against average ai users,
Because artists has a trained artist vision
@@Mente_Fugaz there are actually protests going on because of ai arts! i cant tell the name because i dont remember it (sorry lol) but i think you can search it up and see if you want to help !
@@durd320 yeah.. i think protest will help at least to make big companies have fear to mess it up with the community.
I actually sugest to every artist to join the protest...
Making our voices to be heard.
Before AI it was very easy to call yourself an artist, now it is getting harder...
Fact.
I'm completely on the side of AI
In what context?
Do you defend A.I “Artists” or do you hate them?
I saw someone saying "calling ai "artists" artists is like calling subway clients cooks" and it's pretty accurate
Artists should just make a Syndicate, even if it's just online to post their artwork, it will prevent not only stealing from techbros and such to use their work to feed an algorithm, but also avoid other problems as people in ebay using their artworks to sell shirts and a big etcetera.
Heck, even an art page with a protection clause will work, or even forcing people who make ai "art" to put watermarks on the works generated via AI
Edit: seeing how the trend has made "progress" i will risk to say, it maybye will not be necessary, this fashion about "art tech" probably already has a timer on his head.
How would you do any of that?
@@pikaa-si9ie the problem is where to start, there's some options but they will cost some preparation, time, maybye money and organization.
The "association of concept artists" started something similar, but i don't know if they achieved something sustancial, last time i checked they tried to make other pages put protection clauses to some sites, but nothing more i heard.
that would be a good advance, even better if sites like artstation, or other art sites could implement that (that doesn't fully stops someone from stealing your art, but it gives you the tools to make them take your work out)
update: the syndicate wasn't needed, the concept art organization and a formal lawsuit (aside from a 2008 debate about a monkey picture... yes a monkey selfie saved us) was enough to send this debate to hell, we are winning this.
God I love the technology behind AI
God I hate how humans use it XD
This might be controversial, but ai “””””Artists””””” are worse than nft bros
Yup. Both have stolen actual artists' art (especially artists that already passed away) and monetized it as their own
But after an AI user actually stole a WIP from a livestream, fed it to AI, and claimed they made the art first, I'm convinced they're worse
both are just as bad.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO. SO DANG TRUE
That isn't actually how the AI work. They're not collage machines. They learn and reproduce patterns neurologically, it's the same thing your brain is doing.
Also works made with AI legally cannot be copywritten because they weren't made by humans. A monkey named Naruto is to thank for that godsend.
Don't buy into the whole "it's just like your brain" crap
@@insertname954 you don't understand how it works then
its not like your brain at all, it takes other peoples art and art styles and essentially just compiles it into something new. So essentially its just stealing, you can literally just steal someones entire art style if you so please
@@onjulraz754 it's a pesky algorithm "trained" with billions of stolen data and labeled by underpaid human workers and users. Nothing like the human brain, it's not even AI
It's just an algorithm, it's not even a neural network.
Perfect example on how to *NOT* use AI art, since it's supposed to be a tool.
Late reply ik but
A tool for what exactly?
Seems to me like it was specifically designed to replace artists who make money through commissions
If you wanted it to generate reference images you're better off just searching the internet yourself
@ennope9005 even though AI can generate really impressive images, it will always have difficulty trying to make art as perfect as a human can if it can't even draw hands properly 😅
This is just coming from me, but AI art should be used for inspiration, y'know like instead of imaging it and having a hard time keeping that image in your head, you can see it better on screen and shape it into what you originally want your art to be.
You should also mention that you used AI art afterward if you want to share your work because it's better you tell the truth rather than hide the fact you used it because it also shows you have integrity.
The funny thing is people actually defend this nonsense
Yes, because we see it as an opportunity to draw whatever we want, including things no one else bothered to draw, it's you who see it as theft, when in reality you need picture's data to differ artist's work from AI's.
@@thesun9210 'AI' isn't the culprit here, it's just a fucking software, it's like saying 'Miku' creates her song for example, no, it's the corporation that without express permission have trained there models based on the works on unconsenting artists for monetary gain, also you aren't 'drawing' anything, BUT I'd be okay if this thing was strictly kept as something people could ONLY do for non profit reasons like you seem to suggest, but that's not how it works right? Idiot take.
@@thesun9210 got it?
@@shlokwaghela9560 it's my reply though, and you still haven't answer to my "edgy" points.
@@shlokwaghela9560NOOoO🤬😡😡 Miku did make her song 😭😭😭🥹🥹😢
The fact that AI artist are a thing is surprising to me, like bro the AI Is the artist, the AI did all the work not you
I love how people are like: 'Oh noes, AI is going to make human artists obsolete', not even considering that not all artists do art for the benefit of companies or that laws concerning copyright infringement are going to catch up eventually.
Yeah but every artist want money lol
@@ammagon4519 hence the 'not for the benefit of companies'' part
@@generationm2059 i dont make art to companies and i want money, why? coz i dont eat love. i have to be ahble to make a living to do what i enjoy wich its art.
The looming threat of automisation is scaring people for good reasons.
@@hontilash Exactly, money isn't a luxury, people need it to survive
im "ok" with ai art but i dont get why people are delusional enough to want to claim their ai generated crap is original. especially if they used a special model that they built themselves to copy a specific style
There are different kinds of AI art, possibilities for using this technology are practically limitless, so which "AI art" are you talking about?
There is a pretty good definition in law: anything that has enough human input to be considered "minimally creative" is original.
I don't even hate AI arts, it just sounds stupid to me that some people actually claims themselves as "AI Artists" lmao💀
I think this depiction is somewhat unfair, because it is not as though AI simply mashes things together, but uses training data to recognize patterns, the same way humans learn.
If you wanted to apply this logic consistently, it would be a similar IP violation if an artist simply took inspiration from another piece of art.
As for the permission thing, that too is an argument that most would not want to take to it's logical conclusion, because the only way to prevent your art from becoming training data, be it for AI or inspiration for humans is to prevent them from seeing it, which you can easily do by not uploading it, but if you do put it out there to be seen, I think you should similarly be fine with it being used to create new art.
To explain my position on the matter;
AI is a new tool akin to the printing press.
It makes a new art more accessible and easily produced at scale.
Original art in this analogy is similar to calligraphy.
Writing by hand used to be the only way for texts to be made, now it isn't a necessity, it's a pure art form.
Why then is this a problem?
Well, because our society demands that all we do be for profit.
The only reason I think artists feel worried about their art being used that way is that now they can not sell their work for profit as effectively anymore.
This to be is not criticism of this new tool, but rather the systematic abuse of human labour.
Imagine if you did not have to worry about selling your art, if you could just create for it's own sake, would you really be complaining about someone having fun with a tool that you wouldn't consider to be "real art"?
In the video linked in the pinned comment, AI art is claimed to be a replacement for artists.
Well, why is that?
It's not like the AI will in any way affect your ability to make art.
The only way you're being replaced is by your ability to sell your art for profit.
I certainly know I wouldn't. I would love a future where AI is so good that everyone can make exactly what they have in their mind, no matter what skills they possess.
Intellectual property is advertised as protecting creativity, but that is not what it does, or what it was ever meant to do.
It is made exclusively to protect profit, and is exclusively damaging to free creative expression.
As a final point, it makes absolutely no difference what your opinion on the matter is, automation will always prevail under Capitalism, so if you do not agree with any of my points, it doesn't really matter because unless you address them, there is nothing you can do against the new prevalence of this new technology.
I really liked your points! And certainly agree.
Thanks for giving me such perspective.
THANK YOU. I wanted to write something like this, but felt lazy and just made a joke instead. I mean, I'm a hobbyist writer, and you wouldn't catch me dead complaining about AI generated writing. It would be an insult to myself to even consider getting mad about such an inconsequential thing. It would be akin to calling the craft of humans writing, itself, useless.
A factory can churn out thousands of t-shirts an hour. Yet, there is still a high demand for fine clothing hand-made by a human expert. Swords have been a nearly useless, or at least a secondary weapon at best, for centuries. Yet, there is still demand to see master swordsmen face off against each other. Cameras can snap instantaneous lifelike pictures of any given piece of scenery. And yet, there is still high demand for master painters to paint a picture of said scenery instead.
Technology has, and always will, continue to present itself in new forms. This does not make the former profession obsolete, simply more specialized. If anything, craftsmen, painters, and swordfighters have gained even more respect since these technological advances. These people complaining about AI art need to get their heads out of their arses and accept that this is how it's gonna be. Technology has once again advanced, and nothing short of a complete societal memory wipe and destruction of all computers will change the fact that AI art is here to stay, and will only get better and more efficient. Same with AI writing. But I'm not scared, because I have enough damn confidence in myself that I'm not going to be scared away by a few lines of code.
Why are spending your time on this, if this wasn't a video about bad AI that destroys artists? It was just video about stealing by using AI
@@generic_commentator_n2488 My point is that the demonetization of AI itself is misplaced, and I find some people way too eager to de legitimize anything AI created.
Is it stealing to feed artwork into a neural network?
I think that's way less of a clear problem than a lot of people make it out to be.
I would of course agree that ideally every artist consented before having their work be used, but I don't think that makes the current AI immoral, a bit questionable maybe.
The point I would make is that while it was used as training data, the AI itself would never replicate that piece of art, therefore not repurposing it for commercial use which to me makes it dodge the definition of plagiarism, though I know some people disagree.
As I said though, all of that is completely irrelevant, because AI is here now and we need to figure out how to deal with it, which to me is a point to reevaluate how we see intellectual property in the first place.
The fact that you can now mass produce mediocre art is supposed to be a new context for artists.
Meaning, you don't have to produce art to fill a market, but because you, and those who like your art appreciate it.
That is what I want to happen with the progress of AI, because the alternative is that artists keep being bitter, companies ignore them and get more blatant with their theft until eventually being an artist becomes infeasible under capitalism for anyone that isn't already ultra rich.
@@gaymare6236 maybe you are right. But I think it wasn't video that denyes or approves it
Damn, it really hits hard, not to mention other people saying things like, goodbye artist :3 bruh