Why I Removed ALL My Music From STREAMING

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  • Why I Removed ALL My Music From STREAMING
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Комментарии • 528

  • @Leonard_Washington76
    @Leonard_Washington76 10 месяцев назад +78

    I think every artist should have their own website with their entire catalog available for download/streaming or something. I miss buying whole
    Albums.

    • @lasertrancer
      @lasertrancer 10 месяцев назад +2

      Okay....

    • @davecoleclough2911
      @davecoleclough2911 9 месяцев назад +2

      Good point.

    • @gregorybrown3272
      @gregorybrown3272 9 месяцев назад +1

      Songwriter, Performer, Producer, Todd Rundgren told the record companies this very plan 30 years ago, when the internet was in its infancy, they did not listen, now they are pretty much dead. They can only see what they have trained themselves to see.

    • @LindaVeeSado
      @LindaVeeSado 9 месяцев назад +4

      Yes, but how do you get people over there?

    • @jpdrummer86
      @jpdrummer86 9 месяцев назад +2

      Problem is no one is going to pay to stream just one album on an individuals website. What are you going to do charge an individual $1 a month for individual stream of your catalog, when that person can for pay $10 to Apple to stream thousands of albums and access to 90% of the worlds content. While I appreciate artists trying to get what they deserve. This doesn’t work on scale.

  • @peterparks9435
    @peterparks9435 10 месяцев назад +132

    Curtis you are absolutely right about these streaming platforms going broke. From music to film, the business models are unsustainable. They are cannibalizing themselves and they are trying to figure out how to stop the bleeding.

    • @8eight104
      @8eight104 10 месяцев назад +5

      they're so hopelessly addicted to endless profits.

    • @garrybartlett6853
      @garrybartlett6853 10 месяцев назад +3

      Labels (movie production companies) used to have a physical product to sell... music isn't tangible and record sales were the only why of keeping track of costs and profits of the art...
      The cost of making music doesn't have to cosy 1m studio sessions, legal and all that other ish... the labels had it good for a long time...now its all falling over...

    • @jeffreysafo-darko5589
      @jeffreysafo-darko5589 10 месяцев назад +1

      I can assure you streaming companies aren’t going broke from their business model

    • @lasertrancer
      @lasertrancer 10 месяцев назад

      Hahaha...

  • @kayiness
    @kayiness 10 месяцев назад +219

    Respect to you Curtiss. Streaming was created to solve the problem of music availability, not music payment. The result is artists work for tech companies for free exposure. The problem with that is the attention doesn't always convert to dollars, just cents.

    • @dmtmediabrothers
      @dmtmediabrothers 10 месяцев назад +19

      And those cents dont make sense to artists.

    • @kayiness
      @kayiness 10 месяцев назад +9

      @2billionsubs this approach will lose you more fans than it gains you but do your thing.

    • @firstiparkmy
      @firstiparkmy 10 месяцев назад

      @2billionsubs why u even say tht hatin ahh shii bro damn😂 nigguh fr a whole hater

    • @DonPerrier
      @DonPerrier 10 месяцев назад

      @2billionsubs you sound really ignorant. How close are you to those 2billion subs?

    • @therealsociallyawkwardtv
      @therealsociallyawkwardtv 10 месяцев назад +1

      100 cents equals 1.00

  • @BeatsAndMelody
    @BeatsAndMelody 10 месяцев назад +35

    REMEMBER... Spotify is in bed with the major labels, so even if you are independent the major labels are earning from every stream made by independent artists.

    • @bencastor9207
      @bencastor9207 10 месяцев назад +6

      Facts, they pay Drake for your streams even if the listener doesn't listen to Drake and then they pay people like Joe Rogan $250,000,000. I earn nothing from my streams because I only have a small following currently. This model isn't sustainable for artists.

  • @Lanewaymusic
    @Lanewaymusic 10 месяцев назад +23

    We totally agree with you. We are so disgusted with Spotify we are releasing our own platform in February so we can represent our own artists and pay them no matter whether it be $1 or $10,000. Keep up the good work and see you on the flip side.

    • @oistri1
      @oistri1 8 месяцев назад +1

      sounds nice
      we need new platforms no cap

  • @tegaethan
    @tegaethan 10 месяцев назад +36

    Here's the bottom line. I think we as artist need to be proactive about how our music is consumed and how to monetise. We do not own Spotify, apple, instagram or any of these place. We rent, they charge and landlords will always be landlords. At the end of the day, all these social platforms and streaming platforms are simply town squares where we can meet people. One thing we can do is have our own space, make it ready and bring people there. And our space has to offer more than is available in the town square.

    • @blackears2245
      @blackears2245 10 месяцев назад +1

      that's exactly what I've been thinking about lately

    • @apoplexiamusic
      @apoplexiamusic 10 месяцев назад

      For a long time, before Spotify even, Bandcamp was that square. But since it’s acquisition by Epic Games and sale to Songtradr, the last beam of hope we had is being destroyed by the very capitalist industry it was fighting against

    • @mrobermind
      @mrobermind 10 месяцев назад +1

      And to never sell out that town square to any suit.

    • @secretarchivesofthevatican
      @secretarchivesofthevatican 10 месяцев назад

      Lots of people say this but who will actually make it happen? Would it not then need to earn money to maintain whatever platform it is on and then just become the same as all the others?

    • @johncombo
      @johncombo 6 месяцев назад

      @@secretarchivesofthevatican Not necessarily. The most important factor is the payout model. All platforms except Soundcloud currently use model "Pro Rata" which incentivizes artists to use bots for fake plays to get more revenue and streaming platforms and distributors to scam the small artists. If the platform uses "user centric" model, there is no incentive for anyone to try something because the way money are distributed is very clear and transparent and there is no way around it.

  • @williambrandon9660
    @williambrandon9660 10 месяцев назад +28

    moving to physical is going to carry real meaning with consumers.

  • @eafloe
    @eafloe 10 месяцев назад +22

    Respect! The precedent is becoming set...and dangerously. The threshold of 1,000 streams per track can now easily become 1,500....2,000....etc over time. It's too much to even stress over for 1/3 of a penny. Artists, we have options...We don''t have to just bow down to this. Let Spotify continue to benefit major artists and labels...but NOT off the indie artists' back 💯

  • @demodeiowa
    @demodeiowa 10 месяцев назад +32

    We need some independently owned streaming services with proper payouts

  • @BlazeRokZ
    @BlazeRokZ 10 месяцев назад +41

    Talk to em! 👏🏾 seeing someone stand on their beliefs especially in the music business, is inspiring. We’ve seen too many people conform to the bs that goes on just to secure their position of relevancy. Power to you Curtiss King #DIY

  • @timeTravellin
    @timeTravellin 10 месяцев назад +22

    Thats a great move. This is the direction the creators need to go in. I would love to see the streaming services change or perish. After decades of major labels ripping off artists these bastards took the baton and normalized receiving a fraction of a penny all while selling a monthly subscription. Nobody would accept these terms in any field of work, so why should artists? Stand tall bro, trailblazers have to cut the brush and create the paths.

  • @92alpha13
    @92alpha13 10 месяцев назад +17

    Been consuming your content for about 3 months. Not a musician or in the industry. Just into doing good business. I own 2 in-home daycares and been build a business profile that can adapt to any economic environment. Checking your content let’s me know you been through a lot. You sharing your experiences means a lot to me. Although we are involved in to different industries, us doing business is universal. And game recognize game. New sub. New supporter!

  • @courtlaw1
    @courtlaw1 10 месяцев назад +15

    I was listening to my music at work on Soundcloud and was shocked to see so many commercials popping up after every track played. upwards of 100 tracks about 120 commercials, sometimes there were more than one commercials after some streams. Almost no money generated from streams not even a penny. I removed almost all my music as soon as I got home.

    • @bg4productionsllc
      @bg4productionsllc 10 месяцев назад +3

      That's insane bro, insane 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @barrytheartist.
    @barrytheartist. 10 месяцев назад +72

    Time to double down on independence and support directly to Artist. Having extra unreleased songs for super fans and everything that helps the experience for both parties. Good thought to take music off specific platforms that don’t respect music and the people who make it.

    • @IAmWriteJus
      @IAmWriteJus 10 месяцев назад +2

      I thought the EXACT same thing yesterday. You're right on the money!

    • @juswolf22
      @juswolf22 10 месяцев назад +12

      Are the fans willing to bypass the ease of access to support the artist though?

    • @barrytheartist.
      @barrytheartist. 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@juswolf22 exactly though! I feel like that’s the tough part

    • @IAmWriteJus
      @IAmWriteJus 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@juswolf22 super good question. The thing is tho if a fraction of streamers are willing to spend $10 on an album just to show support, your ROI would still benefit from it. It's really hard to say.

    • @juswolf22
      @juswolf22 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@IAmWriteJus that’s the sacrifice we have to make as artist. It’s difficult because these news cars aren’t made with cd players anymore too.

  • @MildredStain
    @MildredStain 10 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve resisted putting my music on any big platforms and I will continue. The industry that I dreamed of being in as a child has let me down my whole life. This issue is no different. All they do is feed us bullshit about doing it only for love, not the money meanwhile they sit back and take what we rightfully deserve. Getting heard, now more than ever, is damn near impossible no matter where we publish. So for years I’ve been on the fence of deleting everything of mine left online. So your plight and action resonates me immensely. Sadly at my age, all that’s left for me is just the desire to at least be remembered past the day I’m put 6 feet under.

    • @GunnarLoeb
      @GunnarLoeb 9 месяцев назад

      So what is your solution? I am in the same situation as you and are considering bandcamp

  • @consistxncy
    @consistxncy 9 месяцев назад +2

    As a music listener, I LOVE spotify, how you can discover music, small artists with only a few hundrer or thousand followers with the similar artist feature, but it changed over the years while they find ways to keep making more money.
    Been on the sidelines watching how they keep on treating artists worst every year and increase sub prices at the same time.

  • @texjohnson9208
    @texjohnson9208 10 месяцев назад +12

    Every year or two since Spotify launched in 2008 the pay-per-stream rate has gone down (From about $0.008 in 2008 to about $0.003 in 2023). Despite Creators pleading for an increase in the pay-per-stream rate, Spotify has simply ignored Creators, claiming they (Spotify) are losing money. Now we are heading into 2024 and not only are Creators NOT getting a rate rise, but on the contrary, Spotify is telling 80% of the Creators on their platform.....WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY YOU ANYTHING!!! Yes, 80% of Creators on Spotify do less than 50 streams per month. Just imagine if a Distributor were ever to tell Creators "If you sell less than 1000 vinyl records, CDs or digital downloads, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY YOU!!!!

    • @legitorecords5701
      @legitorecords5701 10 месяцев назад

      Wonder if the shareholders' money went down 60% in the same time also...

  • @Mendez_Tha_Titan
    @Mendez_Tha_Titan 10 месяцев назад +7

    This channel is great since errybody be tellin me to post my beats this is the type of information i need before I do, Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾!!!

  • @soulfulandnice
    @soulfulandnice 10 месяцев назад +2

    I resonate hard with this!!! I've been having issues with many platforms trying to update and/or remove profiles. All of what you said is TRUTH! The greed these companies have over things that aren't theirs is insane. I'm with ASCAP and I am hoping they don't do this.🤞🏽This kind of thing is happening in many industries though!
    I've enjoyed being an independent DIY musician because of my creative freedom, expression and control. But this? Another instance of taking advantage of the little guys. They really don't want us to shine! But stay strong fellow artists💪🏽We got this! ✊🏽

  • @HumanOptimization
    @HumanOptimization 10 месяцев назад +39

    I think this is all part of a push for AI to overtake any and all forms of art and entertainement, including music. Great work as always, brotha.

    • @100k.clubPollo
      @100k.clubPollo 10 месяцев назад

      Ur Dumb🤦🏽‍♂️ Spotify is not a profitable company with its current business model so of course their going to charge more for their services 🤦🏽‍♂️they loose a couple 100 million every year currently

    • @skyko
      @skyko 10 месяцев назад +4

      "They" want (need) to control the narrative. No dissenting voices, no wrong-think, and no troublemakers. Stand in line, do not think for yourself and no matter what happens, follow who we tell you to.

    • @stephey808
      @stephey808 9 месяцев назад

      💯

  • @micrhymer4062
    @micrhymer4062 10 месяцев назад +6

    This is exactly what Metallica’s talking about 24yrs ago

  • @InkcorperatedMusic
    @InkcorperatedMusic 10 месяцев назад +2

    Dude, this is for real across the board in ALL genres. I am glad there is content like this pushing the word and giving good ideas to the small artist(s).

  • @Smerzone
    @Smerzone 10 месяцев назад +11

    I was happy to buy a CD from Skyzoo personally the other night because i knew it was going in his pocket. CDs are still cool in my book.

  • @thekingsmatter5845
    @thekingsmatter5845 10 месяцев назад +3

    I just started back beat making a year ago. I was very eager in the beginning to finish some projects and post them online. Seeing this video gives me more patience. I see how important it is to survey the landscape before building upon it the land.

    • @Just1n
      @Just1n 9 месяцев назад

      Matthew 7:24-29 💪🏾💚💚💚🙏🏾

  • @NoThanks-ju1tm
    @NoThanks-ju1tm 9 месяцев назад +1

    Youre spot on about a lot of this, although your perception is that music has that much value these days. I feel that music is nothing more than a business card. IT's a shame because artist spend a lot of money on producing the song, artwork, marketing and all that goes into it. I feel that If you really want to make money from your music, you should merchandise it. Put on your own hosted site and maybe include artwork or some type of merch like the old days of cd's. Make mini movies/videos for your songs that you dont post anywhere. It would be only a matter of time before it ends up online by some schmoe anyway.
    To take your music off of the most popular streaming service is also removing your business cards. You could also put more important tracks on your OWN hosted site. Remember that all of these services are no different than a record label that bleeds the artist dry

  • @kog.soundz
    @kog.soundz 10 месяцев назад +27

    But the question is, how does a new producer reach out to its audience without using these platforms? and what about youtube?

    • @yawsteez
      @yawsteez 10 месяцев назад +10

      you can use them still but create a personal connection with you and the immediate fans you get from social media and these platforms. being behind the scenes and dropping is part why this all happening they think they Gods in making celebrities

    • @lemoncarb
      @lemoncarb 10 месяцев назад +7

      From what I understand, RUclips is much better with creators because the pay plans are worked out between the creators and the platform. Spotify is just like a corporate overlord that feels the grunts “creators” should take whatever they are given.

    • @secretarchivesofthevatican
      @secretarchivesofthevatican 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@lemoncarb The threshold for payment on RUclips is WAY worse than Spotify.

  • @codymarsden
    @codymarsden 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for keeping it real AF Curtis! So glad to hear your opinions, thought processes and actions you've taken around these issues!

  • @B.Phill7
    @B.Phill7 9 месяцев назад +1

    You....are a great man !!!!!!! This brings tears to my eyes !!! Thank you my brotha ❤

  • @adifferentpointofview105
    @adifferentpointofview105 9 месяцев назад +1

    It's not just the companies ripping artists off - it's the people who actually listen to an artist's music too. People expect something for nothing now.

  • @sehbeats4572
    @sehbeats4572 10 месяцев назад +1

    Respect Curtis. We gotta keep making noise about this. Interested to see what you do moving forward. Your paving the way. Big ups.

  • @konumusic
    @konumusic 10 месяцев назад +7

    Thank you for your work and I agree with your sentiment but what is going to be your solution exactly? Without touring, sync and or a fully established fanbase, what are the options for someone with less than 1000 streams for a song? I'm genuinely interested in finding a solution so everyone gets what money is deserved. I hear a lot of talk on walking out of the streaming pool but not many are giving concrete remedies with a path to solid results yet. Thank you kindly. 🤙

    • @xCrackle
      @xCrackle 10 месяцев назад

      Bandcamp will be your best friend when it comes to getting your music out there. They have a much fairer revenue sharing model than other streaming services 👍

    • @hoodpianogirl
      @hoodpianogirl 9 месяцев назад +1

      The answer I’m looking for. , but crickets is all I hear in the comments section

    • @AlbertoGomez-oi5ou
      @AlbertoGomez-oi5ou 9 месяцев назад

      try to perfomr outside more than jus focus on streams, that cash money is yours ...

    • @konumusic
      @konumusic 9 месяцев назад

      Obviously performing live, merch and sync are other good forms of music income. My question was directed specifically to people telling others that they are pulling their music off of spotify. I want to know their personal solutions if that is what they really intend to do.
      I used to get in a panic when streaming amounts shifted or changed as they have done since Pandora was released. I would hope others don't go in a panic and pull their catalog of potential because their song didn't make $5 in that year which is roughly 1000 streams, without a well stated alternative. Thank you though and yes performing is a great way with or without the streams. @@AlbertoGomez-oi5ou

  • @BOOIZM
    @BOOIZM 10 месяцев назад +24

    We need to stop giving it away and start selling a product physically. We need to be more exclusive with our personality and content. Social media and streaming fucked up everything. You didn’t have 24/7 access to artist back in the day. That made fans appreciate and spend money and time with the art.

    • @badboy69cancer
      @badboy69cancer 10 месяцев назад +5

      And pay 20 bucks for a CD with two good tracks and a dozen skippers. No thanks!

    • @mystercraig
      @mystercraig 8 месяцев назад

      @@badboy69cancer albums with one or two hits are also a consequence of big labels milking a moment moreso than artists wanting to.

  • @25mrkeys
    @25mrkeys 10 месяцев назад +1

    Been following you for years at this point and love seeing your growth 💯 Hopefully we all figure out a way to get the ball back in our court.

  • @morecents7680
    @morecents7680 10 месяцев назад +3

    I support this initiative of detaching from the DSPs and think it is the best move at this point. My only thought is if one is no longer in a directly accessible platform that is mixed with other artist's content/releases then how will an independent artist drive traffic to their website for direct-to-consumer? Social media Ads and tik tok promo (that's my best idea) to drive towards mp3 downloads on artist website? What is LaRussell doing?

  • @Nighthawkclips
    @Nighthawkclips 10 месяцев назад +5

    🫡 to you for standing up for the real bread winner on these streaming platforms. Pay us what congress says our copyrighted content is worth. Lawsuit is coming!

  • @OfficialGodschild
    @OfficialGodschild 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thank🙏🏾You 4 this video. Truly a Wake Up call⏰. To think Spotify pays less than $40 for Ten THOUSAND streams...and that's Only if they're listened to for 30 seconds or more. You have beggars in the streets here in NYC who make that in an hour or two. Let that simmer a sec. 🤔 Some of us have spent years learning to read and write 🎶, play an 🎸🎹, learn production, and recording 🎤 and yet these streaming services would say we're worth LESS than 1Cent🪙. How insulting and how wild that we let them get away with it. The answer is that we gotta be willing to Grind. It's more work, but our Work should be...Worth It.🔥 Thanks Again for the video 🙏🏾

  • @teamdarinkatrel1719
    @teamdarinkatrel1719 10 месяцев назад +4

    I saw your Bio Banner but your Music is still visible and playable on Spotify right now 😅

    • @CurtissKingTV
      @CurtissKingTV  10 месяцев назад +2

      Not quite my friend. You do know that when you do features, that music populates on your profile, right? 🤣

    • @teamdarinkatrel1719
      @teamdarinkatrel1719 10 месяцев назад

      @@CurtissKingTV yes i do know that, damn all these streaming platforms tryna roast us.

    • @CurtissKingTV
      @CurtissKingTV  10 месяцев назад +3

      @@teamdarinkatrel1719 they won’t win. We got this

    • @teamdarinkatrel1719
      @teamdarinkatrel1719 10 месяцев назад

      @@CurtissKingTV 👊🏾love your work ethic and mindset, fighting for the betterment of the DIYers, you put real informations out there.
      ✨🔥🤍🚀🎉

  • @m.a.r.l.o873
    @m.a.r.l.o873 10 месяцев назад +3

    i mean its a cycle, the more artists leave, the less customers they get, and therefore either forced to make adjustments or complete shutdown.

  • @KimJoyceMusic
    @KimJoyceMusic 10 месяцев назад +13

    I took music down for a year and a half maybe two years... just this year I only put back up the music what i had out before since I felt I didn't want to be an "Indian giver" to my fans, and it was too time consuming figuring out how to track splits and payment with other producers on music I already released. Ive had my website for over a decade and will always have my own. Using my site to release music.

    • @garrybartlett6853
      @garrybartlett6853 10 месяцев назад

      I love that term, Indian Giver...

    • @hoodpianogirl
      @hoodpianogirl 9 месяцев назад

      How’s that going? Are people downloading and streaming a lot from your website more than they would with a DSP?

  • @philrogersmusician6078
    @philrogersmusician6078 9 месяцев назад +1

    Truth is, established artists are afraid that you're better than they are. They are listening and they don't want to share their gravy train $$$$$ with anyone.

  • @Tayajoh
    @Tayajoh 10 месяцев назад +5

    BMI is free. ASCAP is not. Sometimes you get what you don’t pay for 😅

  • @mbmron
    @mbmron 9 месяцев назад +1

    Major labels have big cuts in streaming services and saw that its a lot of independent artist who are making a living off of music and not signing deals with them so the best way to force them to sign is to cut their money short but that's what I believe

  • @yawsteez
    @yawsteez 10 месяцев назад +4

    thanks curtiss i love vinyl and am buying a player soon cos brent faiyaz , j cole and 6lack all have music on vinyl and even cd. kids nowadays lack parenting cos they parents are stuck on phones after their 9-5 so they talk without thinking

  • @AdaAchoMusic
    @AdaAchoMusic 10 месяцев назад +6

    I think the problem is the fans. How willing are they to follow up to your new chapter?

    • @hoodpianogirl
      @hoodpianogirl 9 месяцев назад

      Bingo, or even pay for your music

    • @gregorybrown3272
      @gregorybrown3272 9 месяцев назад +2

      Not all fans are the same, the trick is to not chase after the ones who are indifferent, and to focus your energies on market research to find the ones who will go out of their way to follow you, or who will at least meet you halfway.

  • @notaspectator
    @notaspectator 9 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the perspective , I’ve published 41 tracks in edm world , been making it just for myself

  • @icbmrecords1906
    @icbmrecords1906 10 месяцев назад

    Respect! I just discovered you today and I can't wait to see all that I can learn from someone so tapped into the current state of the industry. As someone that shares your values as an independent diy producer I hope to follow suit in solidarity and plan to remove my labels music from the streaming companies' sites that refuse to pay artists what is owed to them. Damn you Spotify! Also, it doesn't surprise me that BMI is pulling a move like that. I mean haven't they always been shady, greedy, take as much as possible from the artist kind of company? Fight the good fight! Love your content!

  • @guesstaccount
    @guesstaccount 4 месяца назад

    curtis, im right there with you. the one thing i can't reconcile, and i would love your thoughts on this, is that spotify has introduced me to SO many new fans. and of my current fans, many of them are on spotify meaning they would be experiencing friction to hear my music in a separate place then they hear the rest of their favorite artists.
    what are your thoughts on
    1. losing the advantage of spotifys algorithm as a method for increasing artist visibility
    2. reducing friction for the listener such that an artist isn't lost out to a listener due to inconvenience

  • @chameleon-dream-band-official
    @chameleon-dream-band-official 9 месяцев назад +2

    Dangling the bogus carrot of "exposure" whilst simultaneously massively devaluing your product and worth. Welcome to DSPs. All us musicians need to find other ways to promote and sell our music.

  • @dayronhernandez123
    @dayronhernandez123 10 месяцев назад +3

    Your voice will be heard my friend !!! Shit will hit the fence sooner than later 💪🏻

  • @Ryanthemusician
    @Ryanthemusician 10 месяцев назад +2

    Ryan Leslie been trying to put us on to this 20 years ago. He took is music off of streaming back then for these same reasons

  • @DUBCEAST49
    @DUBCEAST49 10 месяцев назад +3

    The music industry is FINISHED

  • @anomalfrequencymusic
    @anomalfrequencymusic 10 месяцев назад +1

    Was thinking of doing this exact same thing. Thank you for posting this video bro!

  • @gypsycat619
    @gypsycat619 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nice move leaving the message on your Spotify Page!

  • @klender_nothing2lose
    @klender_nothing2lose 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for this post... just Subscribed... please post more about the Spotify problem. It's time to BOYCOTT SPOTIFY! This is not good for our industry and lacks motivation for our up&coming songwriters and artists. Thx.

  • @sheem.2450
    @sheem.2450 10 месяцев назад +5

    Why is it okay for the average Joe to complain about his job and how corporate America is screwing them over. But its not okay for an artists or a creator to complain about..... idk.... Corporate America messing them up, they need to change their careers??? Wow...

    • @reddsmoke904
      @reddsmoke904 10 месяцев назад +1

      As if they don't need some music to get through their shifts...

    • @fizzychizzy
      @fizzychizzy 10 месяцев назад

      Why you angry at them? If you feel your job is taking advantage of you, organize and do something about it? You are sounding bitter because others are willing to fight for what they want while you are spineless and willing to be taken advantage of due to desperation.
      Angry at others for fighting for more is crazy to me. Just sound bitter and envious.

    • @fizzychizzy
      @fizzychizzy 10 месяцев назад

      Why you angry at them? If you feel your job is taking advantage of you, organize and do something about it. Don’t sound bitter because some are willing to fight for what they want while others are spineless and willing to be taken advantage of due to desperation. It just sounds envious.

  • @RyanDub3
    @RyanDub3 10 месяцев назад +3

    You have to understand when Spotify first began to be able to use labels old discography labels said yes but only on the condition that they had equity in the company. So labels partially control Spotify. I feel like their hands are tied

  • @SMBorthwick
    @SMBorthwick 10 месяцев назад +1

    Right on Curtiss. Speaking as one of the little guys, I have a feeling I'll be joining you. Time to make a stand.

  • @Altruwest
    @Altruwest 10 месяцев назад +2

    Lots of bullying and fear mongering in this music space. It takes some real guts to go and do what’s right for you while ignoring the criticism. Respect for doing the right thing for your brand, it will pay dividends (without waiting a year for them 😭)!

  • @RuslanKD
    @RuslanKD 10 месяцев назад +2

    Great breakdown.

    • @CurtissKingTV
      @CurtissKingTV  10 месяцев назад

      I would love to connect with you on my channel soon man

  • @schtuff.8207
    @schtuff.8207 9 месяцев назад +1

    I'm completely down with removing music from Spotify. That being said, I get why they had that 1000 stream threshold to try and deter bot accounts and quantity over quality, and to give themselves some time to find fake/illegal uploads before people profit off doing something illegal. The main thing to be outraged about is how godawful the payouts are, and how the whole thing is just a money pit to build clout, and only above some arbitrary threshold does it build you an audience - and also, the nature of Spotify & playlisting celebrates mediocrity and sameness for the most part. Its very hard to be really really unique and to succeed on any streaming service, so its bad for the evolution of art.

  • @gaara4667
    @gaara4667 10 месяцев назад +5

    Spotify been bleeding money. They haven’t had a profitable year since it’s inception. This is just a way to prevent more losses.

    • @prodRegularDude
      @prodRegularDude 10 месяцев назад +1

      on paper they aren't. Thats exactly what they want you and the government to think 😂

    • @CPMusic254
      @CPMusic254 10 месяцев назад

      @@prodRegularDude exactly

  • @SauceBlob
    @SauceBlob 10 месяцев назад +1

    Music distro sites are kinda poison. Why I started to uploading on RUclips and bandcamp only.

  • @BenCaesar
    @BenCaesar 10 месяцев назад +4

    I respect this , this is leading by example. I’ll throw in another perspective tho, the streaming companies are still not profitable so the business itself hasn’t proven to actually be profitable.
    Maybe there just isn’t money there, even if they wanted to pay artists more?
    We fight for higher payouts but maybe building our own platforms is where we should our energy

    • @Dihmarko
      @Dihmarko 10 месяцев назад +2

      The money isn't there, apple music is a loss leader but apple can pay more because they make money from all their other businesses.

    • @BenCaesar
      @BenCaesar 10 месяцев назад

      @@Dihmarkomy thoughts exactly. I read somewhere that Apple accounts for music revenue under ‘misc’ 😂 doesn’t even have its own category.
      So nah they don’t take it seriously

    • @caseyjones3522
      @caseyjones3522 10 месяцев назад

      the problem is that all these streaming platforms are competing against piracy, which is theft. When its that easy to steal a product, the product has no inherent value.

  • @themusicofmikegoodwin
    @themusicofmikegoodwin 9 месяцев назад

    Great video ! Would love to see a fairer deal for emerging artists. In the old days you might buy a cd and grow to love it over time. In these swipe left times people starting out have an uphill battle.

  • @tvariuness
    @tvariuness 10 месяцев назад +4

    where does youtube sit in all this? it's a super popular platform for music and it seems like it's always left out of these conversations.

    • @makl2k
      @makl2k 10 месяцев назад

      For me youtube is the only online platform i use to listen to music. The reason is all the unreleased and underground stuff. You will never find that on a typical streaming platform. Still Vinyl / CD is the best

  • @miahdona8161
    @miahdona8161 10 месяцев назад +4

    Streaming was never meant for indie artist to do well

  • @bulagazibaggy1511
    @bulagazibaggy1511 10 месяцев назад +3

    Well I still would keep my music in the name of reach and exposure.
    One positive I have got from this is the flexibility in which I can get new music and also post mine. Well there unfortunate part where there is money they cab never be what we call fairness. Focus will be gigs from that exposure. Things when we move more into the business ethics fans suffer in terms of reach and not all are going to follow. As much as I love the art but it not a human need. Till we have full control of this but as long we put a price on it. We gonna end up like our enemy.

    • @they-want-us-divided
      @they-want-us-divided 10 месяцев назад

      you dont know that, he built his platform on independent and beginning artists and a move like that might give him media exposure that could convert into RUclips subs... Trust his process

  • @387floyd
    @387floyd 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'm with you Curtis music is a product that should be sold and this streaming stuff is bogus ,and I remember when I was younger I purchased cds all the time

  • @Treyco
    @Treyco 10 месяцев назад +2

    I’m about to share this

  • @krisgoldek
    @krisgoldek 10 месяцев назад +1

    We should all stick together and refuse spotify and others that treat us this way. We should create our own community where we respect eachother and make money.

  • @juneprolific
    @juneprolific 9 месяцев назад +1

    This streaming was made to take away money and power from the artist. When we had record's, cassette tapes, cds, artist was able to make money upfront and IRS did not like that. This is bigger than we know.

  • @DJJohnnyTapia
    @DJJohnnyTapia 10 месяцев назад +2

    100% they hardly pay as it is, now they want to pay less? Any musician worth his salt, especially established ones, should be standing by the little guys.

  • @ZackAbasi
    @ZackAbasi 9 месяцев назад

    Well done man! Something should be done collectively to flip the equation.

  • @superdopesamples
    @superdopesamples 10 месяцев назад +3

    If you sell your album on CD or Vinyl, maybe bundle it with merch, you only have to sell to a few hundred of your fans to make 4k 🤷‍♂ might be easier to achieve this than getting a millions of streams

    • @adamprice3466
      @adamprice3466 10 месяцев назад

      I remember back in the 80s heavy metal bands would gain a small local following of super loyal fans and would make a record and sell it to the small fan base for like $300 per record.

    • @OfficialGodschild
      @OfficialGodschild 10 месяцев назад

      Soooo True... 🔥. We just have to be willing to put in the WORK. 💫🎶💫

  • @JSoulKeys
    @JSoulKeys 10 месяцев назад +4

    Hey bro. I missed your live stream tutorial on how to make our own websites? Will you be able to upload it so we can see it please?
    Peace
    Jamaal

  • @BradyA1124
    @BradyA1124 9 месяцев назад

    The creator discusses removing their music from Spotify due to new payout threshold requirements, expressing concerns about ethical misalignments, the disparity in payouts among streaming services, and the evolving landscape of the music industry, sharing their decision to stand in solidarity with DIY artists and emphasizing the need for fair compensation, all while questioning the motivations behind Spotify's threshold system and reflecting on the industry's changes, following the footsteps of Prince and exploring alternatives like TikTok and building personal websites.

  • @anitafaye77
    @anitafaye77 9 месяцев назад

    HANDS DOWN the best vid pertaining to today’s music industry and the don’t care attitude that exists.

  • @jaharlin
    @jaharlin 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think the threshold is good, I understand both sides of it but it just makes Artist have to promote they music a lot of people get lost in the sauce and forget to grow and now if you want yo music in the sauce you gotta work for it

    • @OfficialGodschild
      @OfficialGodschild 10 месяцев назад +1

      THAT part. That's THE question... Are we willing to Work for it??? 🧐 Excellent point! 💯

  • @evoj.
    @evoj. 10 месяцев назад

    Love the info and video / quality etc. You are appreciated my friend. Just sub’d. 🙌🏻💥😎

  • @Travisstyles
    @Travisstyles 9 месяцев назад +1

    As a distrokid user I would love to be able to select the platforms that my music is being placed on
    We shouldn’t support company’s that dont care about us
    Let the big record labels alone use Spotify lets all post our music where we get payed
    We are the ones posting links in our bio
    Let’s create a new traffic direction
    And stop giving them our hard work and investments to just be spit on 🤦‍♂️

  • @TheRealSheba
    @TheRealSheba 9 месяцев назад

    The point of unionizing is to have collective bargaining power. We have none. Our opinions, collective or indivudual have no weight. They make no difference. No one feels pressured to appease us, that's what unions do, they offer bargaining power. We have none. Other than that I'm with you all the way.

  • @ericmason685
    @ericmason685 10 месяцев назад +4

    Musicians should strike......

  • @lecrab
    @lecrab 10 месяцев назад +1

    This is interesting. The blogging, microblogging ánd vlogging world is going through the same. We used to all host our own stuff. Then hosted platforms came, and promised a piece of the pie. And now we're going back.

  • @JayCamVEVO
    @JayCamVEVO 10 месяцев назад

    Dude I'll bet you get this every day, but you have the smoothest voice I have ever heard in my life. Great video as always man

  • @Cruzer3x
    @Cruzer3x 10 месяцев назад +5

    This is a great video.
    I think it’s weird how establish artists are battling other artists about the stream payouts.
    The BMI situation needs to be more discussed.
    Far as the independent artist solution I think it’s best to have a Yt channel and a website.

  • @KeyJayHD
    @KeyJayHD 9 месяцев назад

    I'll add this,
    YOU ARE NOT NOISE! You are an artist, a person, an idea, a God! Gods rule, they don't follow.
    Entertainment is NOTHING without us.

  • @josephjohnchombo5127
    @josephjohnchombo5127 10 месяцев назад +5

    The big guys finally reached the new generation they just want to control the music industry as always

  • @exavierme
    @exavierme 10 месяцев назад +2

    I appreciate your view and courage on the matter. I’m on board & agreement w/ you. For artists like myself, who are new and lack any sort of following it puts us in a weird place. It feels like a child in the middle of a broken home. Who can an artist trust or rely on, what steps do artists need to take to create or gain any sort of exposure (rhetorical questions on my mind) 🤔

  • @MentalPistol
    @MentalPistol 10 месяцев назад +1

    Tryina rock the half moon part fade, but you gotta come to ny for them to get it right my dude.

  • @salena2254
    @salena2254 10 месяцев назад +1

    You did right. It may come to where Artist /Musicians may need to go on a strike with their Music withdraw it from platforms stop posting it to earn its Value. Not right that Artists/Musicians invest money to put out projects only to be available on several platforms for free. Owners/CEOs of businesses is not investing money in their businesses to give away free products are they.

  • @seeyouthree
    @seeyouthree 10 месяцев назад +3

    If it wasn't for "deezer"...😂😂😂😂😂😂 bro funny

  • @who_cares848
    @who_cares848 9 месяцев назад +1

    I always encourage people to take their music off streaming services too, that way my stuff is more likely to get plays 😂

  • @chadgarber
    @chadgarber 10 месяцев назад

    Preach brother!

  • @WraithAllen
    @WraithAllen 9 месяцев назад

    All artists should PULL their music from streaming services, join together, and start their own streaming service (hell, a few top earning musicians could start the service that pays better royalties to artists and challenge Spotify and Pandora.)

  • @terrymiller111
    @terrymiller111 9 месяцев назад

    I like your stance. Keep doing your thing.

  • @Jarrettshome
    @Jarrettshome 10 месяцев назад +1

    You a righteous dude, mad respect.

  • @chymarsowell
    @chymarsowell 10 месяцев назад +3

    Let’s all do this for real

  • @thejoshytofficial
    @thejoshytofficial 8 месяцев назад

    Yo ngl this video really got me thinking, I love music and will always have passion for it and will continue to release, but I just switched my major from music management to finance so that way after I graduate college I am able to get a job or sum in case my music isn’t enough to make a livable wage

  • @dpjohnjones432
    @dpjohnjones432 10 месяцев назад

    If they can’t delete you profile they may be in breach of GDPR compliance. See here: Data subject access requests force organizations to know where collected data is at all times, what information is being collected, how it's being used by whom, and when it's being accessed.
    If the consumer finds an error, the organization must correct it (called "rectification"). If the customer opts to invoke their "right to be forgotten," the company must erase their data (called "erasure"). If the consumer doesn't like how their personal data is being collected and used, they can object. If your country does not comply with GDPR then they may comply with CCPA in which you can still ask for deletion of your information in the US.
    If I were asking for such a request I would do it in writing either by email or by mail or both. They have 10 days to respond to receipt of request under CCPA and 45 calendar days to respond to the request with deletion.

  • @Jenviper
    @Jenviper 10 месяцев назад +1

    What u said about Prince was so true. I feel like he wouldn’t have stood the current BS!

    • @Abundanc3beats
      @Abundanc3beats 10 месяцев назад

      He absolutely wouldn’t. He was against digitalizing his catalogue period.