A hat worn as clothing is not a machine. However a hat used to transfer force is a machine, functionally identical to the crutch or Sally's pole. Wikipedia lists a hand axe as a machine, which has no moving parts.
This actually makes sense. Made me think for a moment but then it hit me, punintended. When you pull the string you’re also pulling on the bow staff which causes it to bend. And when you let go, the string moves because the bow staff is returning to it’s original place. The string is propelling the arrow forward but the sting is moving forward because of the bow. All the power comes from to bow staff deforming and reforming to its original shape. There might be more to it but that all I got.
@gerardomacias7370 that's about it yeah, maybe i could add that if you used an elastic string it'd weaken the bow because the energy and force you need to put into it to deform is not high Otherwise well put
@@gerardomacias7370I will add, this doesn't necessarily mean that flexible string won't work. A Slingshot works by means of rubber bands on a relatively inflexible frame.
i would argue that the hat by definition, gave a "mechanical advantage" By increasing the length of his arm. If an atlatl is a machine for throwing darts, then the hat is absolutely a machine for throwing coconuts.
@You're Gonna Hate This the machine is his arm plus the hat together. Alone, the hat is no a machine. But when combined with the arm, there's a good argument for it
@You're Gonna Hate This yeah i got the definition of "a person who acts with the mechanical efficiency of a machine." which had the example of a comedian 😂so if there's any indication he used a machine, this is it
Well, if we want to be technical about this, which clearly we do, one might argue that the core of the discussion shouldn't be around the word 'machine', as in "Is a hat (or a crutch for that matter,) a machine?", but rather on the word 'make' as in "Did HE really make that hat (or crutch), or was it already made and he just used it?"
There's also an issue with the word fling... Two people shot the coconuts, one just kinda gently moved it along a lever... The other two actually flung it but didn't make their flinging devices... Honestly no one deserved points for this task.
@@jocomfiresin6982 to fling is to throw or hurl forcefully, to hurl is to throw something, and to throw is to propel (something) with force. So i see no problems with the flinging featured in this video.
However neither a critch or a hat are designed for flinging coconuts, so in a sense they did make them into machines for flinging coconuts, even if there was no phyisical changes to the objects themselves.
Alex bringing the tea for it for me, what an absolute gentleman! Personally I would have just picked it up and yeeted it as far as I could. The human arm is an incredibly complex combination of various basic machines, purpose built, for throwing things. And considering I grew the dang thing myself, I'd argue that I made it!
I would argue that you would "make a machine" in a sense People say things like "You would make a good actor" and they don't mean create, so you could "make" a good flinging machine
If we want to get real technical about stuff, Mark and bob should probably be last by distance cause they both have a "practice fling" but the task clearly says "you have 20 minutes and ONE attempt :P
I'm sure it's been pointed out a few times here, if we're going by the strictest, most pedantic dictionary definition of "machine," meaning a "system that uses some kind of power to apply force and perform a function," then by that very pedantic definition, the hat is a machine, since the hat and Mark combine to form a system that uses physical human power to fling a coconut. And actually, if we're still going by pedantic dictionary definitions, the crutch itself is not a machine, it's a tool, but that would mean that Bob and the crutch combined also formed a machine.
"Are you a machine" Yes, an organism is an organic machine. "an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task." An arm has multiple parts with definite function which can perform a particular task and apply mechanical power, in this case lobbing a coconut.
The keyword in this task is "make". Bob did not make the crutch, so his attempt should not count. If it *does* count, then Mark's attempt should count as well.
Didn't you see? He spent decades finely tuning and regularly changing out the parts to his coconut flinging machines engine. Honestly I'd argue Sally and Bob did the same thing. Because importantly neither technically built a machine that throws anything they just flung it themselves. At least for the other two the pressure being applied is done via the thing they created. As for the hat boy... I think he doesn't deserve any points not because he didn't make it not because it's not a machine but because he clearly didn't try that hard. I mean he just picked up a hat and flung a coconut with it. At least Bob seemed to place some level of thought into which object to fling his coconut with while Sally legitimately built a thing then forced Alex... To... Well fling is a stretch it was slowly transported then dropped upon the ground.
@@bubbledoubletrouble Ah, if you’re talking about the old “compound, humanoid lever machine” then I’d concede to an elbow, or wrist, at a push. More “flingability”.
The fulcrum is the elbow. A handle is not a necessary part of a lever. I lever just uses length to multiply force. The hat is defined as a Class III lever as the effort is applied in between the load and the effort.
It would be insanely fun to see Tom Scott in a series. And now that I've had this thought- I will be commenting this idea/suggestion on every new video.
One of the best moments of series 5 is when Greg and Alex state the contestants' intelligence and Sally starts giggling, knowing she's done badly. Well, she still came second.
I'm currently on a taskmaster-binge here on youtube and I see you in the comments that often that you almost feel like a friend :D nice music taste by the way!
I think the hat by itself is definitely not a machine, but when the hat is used to extend leverage by being combined with Mark's arm I think it should count. Though I think that just the human body alone should count as a machine, no hat needed.
Just had to look it up and one of the definitions of a machine is a 'person' who acts with the mechanical efficiency of a machine. it's only season 5, but still seems like it should be obvious at that point in the show to always look for a loophole, because there usually is one.
This series features some of my favorite British personalities and comics... And Nish Kumar is there too... Loud, loud, loud and obnoxious Nish Kumar...
just adding a comment that the hat (albeit crude) is just as much of a machine as the crutch. neither person made it, and simply used it to fling the coconut. it should have counted.
Technically, the hat could be considered a lever. Even a rope is considered as a level in terms of calculating mechanical advantage. Betweeen the hat and the crutch, the only mechanical difference is that one is a rigid body, and the other not. So if the crutch is a machine, then so is the hat.
So I absolutely love taskmaster. So very much. This is one of those episodes I think should have gone differently. It said in the task you get 1 attempt but one of them said I can practice right and tried a few times and got 5 points.
He gets 1 real attempt. If he practiced and got a longer throw than his “attempt” that wouldn’t have mattered. He gets 1 attempt that counts, but he can practice before saying this is my attempt.
@Drew Badger I can see your point but after 14 seasons of this show and how other tasks would have caught my point of view and not awarded points I stick with my opinion. However most of the shows points do depend on how Greg is feeling that day lol
The crutch was a tool, a machine powers itself or has a power source it then utilises usually not human but animals would count (but kinda a weird one when it comes to humans), so a hand winch is definitely a tool, and electric which is definitely machine, oxpowered….i dunno
The human body is totally a machine. An extremely complex chemical, biological, physical machine. Now I can’t remake myself for the challenge, but my immediate answer to Alex’s question would have been very different.
I took it to mean one official attempt, not that you couldn't practice. Like once you decided that you had your machine ready and flung the coconut there were no do overs, no best out 3 type thing
Not sure how I got here, not sure if I can ever leave now…. What is happening? What is this? What am I watching? To all of these I say I don’t care, I just love it this is absolutely madness incarnate loveliness. Is this the island of broken imaginations and ideas? I love it!!
Mark is just too nice to argue and fight for himself. I think this essentially could be argued like this: hat is more soft thus feminised thus considered not machine because it stand against the stereotype of machine being cold and iron thus fulfilling the masculine characteristics if Bob’s is a machine.
I see that there are different definitions of machine. I always understood a machine as something that needed an internal source of power (steam, springs, electricity etc.) while anything that was solely powered by a human would be classified as a tool.
@@smokeandkippers That is why I say there seems to be multiple usable definitions (including describing humans as machines). It just annoys me that there is no real difference between the words tool and machine in English.
You could theoretically do that for any task ever. No task has never said not to throw a coconut onto a train. However you may not be getting anything out of it... Other then the satisfaction for throwing a coconut onto a train.
Well, I'd argue that whether or not the hat is a machine depends on if it actually improved his throwing abilities in some way. The crutch clearly did that.
I don't usually agree with these kind of comments... but I'm 100% making an exception for Aisling Bea. She is extraordinarily beautiful, and a great personality and comedic sense to boot.
A hat worn as clothing is not a machine. However a hat used to transfer force is a machine, functionally identical to the crutch or Sally's pole. Wikipedia lists a hand axe as a machine, which has no moving parts.
An axe is a wedge. Machines don't need to have moving parts they just need to amplify force (I think)
@@blacktending they just need to transfer force. The wedge and inclined plane are the only simple machines that don't move.
An axe is not a machine.
@@jonhohensee3258 taken from the wiki for the axe: "The axe is an example of a simple machine, as it is a type of wedge, or dual inclined plane"
@@doughertySD Is wikipedia your god? An axe is a tool, not a machine.
Fun fact, the power for a bow and arrow doesnt come from the string being elastic, it comes from the bow flexing
That is a fun fact
@@dog-jk2hn thanks
This actually makes sense. Made me think for a moment but then it hit me, punintended. When you pull the string you’re also pulling on the bow staff which causes it to bend. And when you let go, the string moves because the bow staff is returning to it’s original place. The string is propelling the arrow forward but the sting is moving forward because of the bow. All the power comes from to bow staff deforming and reforming to its original shape. There might be more to it but that all I got.
@gerardomacias7370 that's about it yeah, maybe i could add that if you used an elastic string it'd weaken the bow because the energy and force you need to put into it to deform is not high
Otherwise well put
@@gerardomacias7370I will add, this doesn't necessarily mean that flexible string won't work. A Slingshot works by means of rubber bands on a relatively inflexible frame.
She thought a round coconut needed help Rolling. 😂
i would argue that the hat by definition, gave a "mechanical advantage" By increasing the length of his arm.
If an atlatl is a machine for throwing darts, then the hat is absolutely a machine for throwing coconuts.
Had no idea what an atlatl was before I saw your comment, I thought you meant like darts the bar/pub game 😂😂😂
Off to Google.
@You're Gonna Hate This but a wedge is a machine, and so is a lever.
@You're Gonna Hate This the machine is his arm plus the hat together. Alone, the hat is no a machine. But when combined with the arm, there's a good argument for it
@You're Gonna Hate This yeah i got the definition of "a person who acts with the mechanical efficiency of a machine." which had the example of a comedian 😂so if there's any indication he used a machine, this is it
Well, if we want to be technical about this, which clearly we do, one might argue that the core of the discussion shouldn't be around the word 'machine', as in "Is a hat (or a crutch for that matter,) a machine?", but rather on the word 'make' as in "Did HE really make that hat (or crutch), or was it already made and he just used it?"
There's also an issue with the word fling... Two people shot the coconuts, one just kinda gently moved it along a lever... The other two actually flung it but didn't make their flinging devices... Honestly no one deserved points for this task.
@@jocomfiresin6982 to fling is to throw or hurl forcefully, to hurl is to throw something, and to throw is to propel (something) with force.
So i see no problems with the flinging featured in this video.
However neither a critch or a hat are designed for flinging coconuts, so in a sense they did make them into machines for flinging coconuts, even if there was no phyisical changes to the objects themselves.
But either way its all for fun anyway!
@@nitelast ... Okie... I'll just throw this arrow at your chest... With this 100 pound bow at 3 feet. Hold still my aim is a tad rusty.
Alex bringing the tea for it for me, what an absolute gentleman!
Personally I would have just picked it up and yeeted it as far as I could. The human arm is an incredibly complex combination of various basic machines, purpose built, for throwing things. And considering I grew the dang thing myself, I'd argue that I made it!
Sure. But the task says to "make a machine". Something you have already made ages ago doesn't count. You are to make something *now*.
I would argue that you would "make a machine" in a sense
People say things like "You would make a good actor" and they don't mean create, so you could "make" a good flinging machine
If we want to get real technical about stuff, Mark and bob should probably be last by distance cause they both have a "practice fling" but the task clearly says "you have 20 minutes and ONE attempt :P
I think an "attempt" has to be called. "OK, I'm done practicing; _this_ one shall be my Attempt."
I'm sure it's been pointed out a few times here, if we're going by the strictest, most pedantic dictionary definition of "machine," meaning a "system that uses some kind of power to apply force and perform a function," then by that very pedantic definition, the hat is a machine, since the hat and Mark combine to form a system that uses physical human power to fling a coconut. And actually, if we're still going by pedantic dictionary definitions, the crutch itself is not a machine, it's a tool, but that would mean that Bob and the crutch combined also formed a machine.
The way Bob at 5:34 looked up expecting it to still be up there
I'd have died if one of the contestants had a trebuchet guy and just called him up.
That's an Al Murray thing.
If the crutch which was not made counted as a machine = lever, the hat should count as well. It too extended the reach of arm as a (short) lever.
Personally I find that a swallow works best for getting coconuts far away
African or European?
@@HaloInverse Hah? I don't know that
I really was expecting one of the boys to just throw it.
And shout "I'm a machine".
I feel like you are mixing them up with Bert Kreischer.
3:39 Considering what his coconut throw would be in the grand finale, this is impressive.
Exactly what I was thinking
At least he can create a good coconut businessman
"Are you a machine" Yes, an organism is an organic machine.
"an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task." An arm has multiple parts with definite function which can perform a particular task and apply mechanical power, in this case lobbing a coconut.
I’d like a full episode just of Nish laughing
The keyword in this task is "make". Bob did not make the crutch, so his attempt should not count. If it *does* count, then Mark's attempt should count as well.
The keyword is "Taskmaster". The Taskmaster has spoken. Do you presume to question him?
He made the crutch into a coconut-flining-machine.
@@R.Daneel Contestants certainly do all the time.
@@R.Daneel y
Didn't you see? He spent decades finely tuning and regularly changing out the parts to his coconut flinging machines engine. Honestly I'd argue Sally and Bob did the same thing. Because importantly neither technically built a machine that throws anything they just flung it themselves. At least for the other two the pressure being applied is done via the thing they created. As for the hat boy... I think he doesn't deserve any points not because he didn't make it not because it's not a machine but because he clearly didn't try that hard. I mean he just picked up a hat and flung a coconut with it. At least Bob seemed to place some level of thought into which object to fling his coconut with while Sally legitimately built a thing then forced Alex... To... Well fling is a stretch it was slowly transported then dropped upon the ground.
A lever is a simple machine, the hat qualifies
A lever needs a handle and a fulcrum. The brim could be considered a handle but you’re still missing a fulcrum.
@@smokeandkippers Forearm, then. The handle would be the handle of the compound forearm-hat machine.
@@bubbledoubletrouble Ah, if you’re talking about the old “compound, humanoid lever machine” then I’d concede to an elbow, or wrist, at a push. More “flingability”.
The fulcrum is the elbow. A handle is not a necessary part of a lever. I lever just uses length to multiply force. The hat is defined as a Class III lever as the effort is applied in between the load and the effort.
It would be insanely fun to see Tom Scott in a series. And now that I've had this thought- I will be commenting this idea/suggestion on every new video.
Or Jay Foreman.
A hat used like that is by definition a simple machine
One of the best moments of series 5 is when Greg and Alex state the contestants' intelligence and Sally starts giggling, knowing she's done badly.
Well, she still came second.
I'm currently on a taskmaster-binge here on youtube and I see you in the comments that often that you almost feel like a friend :D nice music taste by the way!
@@levlowgull3917 lol thanks!
The hat is definitely a machine. It provides some kind of change in the force other than his hands..
I love that Nish made a fucking Coconut bow! That's awesome.
definitely the coolest looking of the "machines"
I am surprised that no one tried to build a trebuchet in the 20 minutes.
My favorite definition of a machine, taken from the movie 3 idiots:
Anything that reduces human effort [in performing a task].
"I'd say a machine is anything mechanical, really"
"Okay, and you've got a hat"
Aisling's attempt depicts my life in a nutshell :-) Absolutely hilarious.
hat keeps the sun of the head wile griping the head so MACHINE
I think the hat by itself is definitely not a machine, but when the hat is used to extend leverage by being combined with Mark's arm I think it should count. Though I think that just the human body alone should count as a machine, no hat needed.
0:47, I was expecting Nish to answer “I AM A MACHINE!” with his fists above his head.
Mark absolutely edited that Wikipedia
And so did 1824562657 users after him to the point when the “Machine” Wikipedia page is locked for editing to unregistered and new users.
Probably, but a hat is (or rather can be used as) a machine. A lever is a machine and just like the crutch etc. Was used as a lever, as was the hat.
Should have linked them the page for "simple machines" instead ;)
"No way!"
That was the joke haha
why were there no European swallows around them? create some springy launchpad and voilà!
Hats definitely a machine in this context, Gregory is out of order
don't let him hear you say that, you'll get the traditional punishment
A scarf or piece of fabric could have been used to good effect as in a shepherds sling...
I mean, by definition you could call an arm a machine.
That's just nuts!
Youth in Asia. It's what you deserve.
If the crutch is a machine then the hat is too
I'm shocked. She put it on a roller skate and said it would roll farther. No one mentioned that it was already round.
Just had to look it up and one of the definitions of a machine is a 'person' who acts with the mechanical efficiency of a machine. it's only season 5, but still seems like it should be obvious at that point in the show to always look for a loophole, because there usually is one.
You could probably use the stretchy thing to make an improvised sling
This series features some of my favorite British personalities and comics... And Nish Kumar is there too... Loud, loud, loud and obnoxious Nish Kumar...
I saw "Coconut Flinging Machine" in the title and assumed it was an Allen Pan video. This is good too, though.
I would love if Allen Pan guest starred on this show somehow.
just adding a comment that the hat (albeit crude) is just as much of a machine as the crutch. neither person made it, and simply used it to fling the coconut. it should have counted.
This gets better and better
Aisling wearing a cone on her head, ready to take on some anthropomorphic peas on her quest to invade Crazy Dave's house.
Mark himself was the machine, it should have counted.
A hat used in that manner is equivalent to a catapult with an arm length of the width of the brim of the hat
I was thinking about just making a bolo and throwing it but then I remember the wording machine
We are all Turing-machines..
Aisling doesn't know what a rollerblade is.
my body is a machine that turns coconuts into flung coconuts
Technically, the hat could be considered a lever. Even a rope is considered as a level in terms of calculating mechanical advantage. Betweeen the hat and the crutch, the only mechanical difference is that one is a rigid body, and the other not. So if the crutch is a machine, then so is the hat.
My first thought I am a human machine and I would have thrown it over the fence. And it turns out win.
So I absolutely love taskmaster. So very much. This is one of those episodes I think should have gone differently. It said in the task you get 1 attempt but one of them said I can practice right and tried a few times and got 5 points.
He gets 1 real attempt. If he practiced and got a longer throw than his “attempt” that wouldn’t have mattered. He gets 1 attempt that counts, but he can practice before saying this is my attempt.
@Drew Badger I can see your point but after 14 seasons of this show and how other tasks would have caught my point of view and not awarded points I stick with my opinion. However most of the shows points do depend on how Greg is feeling that day lol
Such a fun group of people xD
Mark definitely edited that Wikipedia.
Nope, it was me..
@@mienzillaz You smell different when you are awake.
The crutch was a tool, a machine powers itself or has a power source it then utilises usually not human but animals would count (but kinda a weird one when it comes to humans), so a hand winch is definitely a tool, and electric which is definitely machine, oxpowered….i dunno
Machine should have some moving parts. With a hat the machine would be your arms.
I thought we were using unladen swallows with strings of creeper!
Technically a human body is a machine by definition...
These guys have never seen a potato gun. I could have launched that coconut 5-600m
when someone asks you if you're a god, you say, "yes!"
I like bob, bob is good. I always root for bob, because bob is the best.
Humans are machines, so the easy solution would be just to pick up the coconut and throw it.
I'd still throw it
Why don't I remember this?
Making the coconut heavier would not help lol
Too bad they didn't have Bert Kreischer on this season.
"So I can just pick it up and Chuck it? "
"Are you a machine?"
"I AM A MACHINE!"
The human body is totally a machine. An extremely complex chemical, biological, physical machine. Now I can’t remake myself for the challenge, but my immediate answer to Alex’s question would have been very different.
if the crutch counts so does the hat imo
Nish has to be my favourite contestant. Then Ashley.
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No wayyyyyy I was just watching this episode last night
Waaaaaayyy
@@travelwell6049 A-
Disgraceful. I'm bald and a hat is definitely a machine.
When do we get full episodes again?
just throw it
100% the hat is a machine tsk tsk
Someone just had to throw it because your arm is a 3rd class lever making it a simple machine
Lucky that noone had the knowledge to build a vacuum gun....
One could argue that the human body is a machine 🤔... However that's a moot point since your body isn't a machine you've made 😜
My body is a machine that I have grown myself my whole life.
I feel like this could have been much more interesting if they gave them an hour instead of 20 minutes
Rules say you only get one fling. Bob’s “practice” fling should have been the one that counted.
He did ask Alex if he was allowed to practice, though, and Alex said yes. Fault lies with Alex, not with Bob.
@@Technodreamer I assumed that meant you could practice by throwing things that were not a coconut.
I took it to mean one official attempt, not that you couldn't practice. Like once you decided that you had your machine ready and flung the coconut there were no do overs, no best out 3 type thing
Not sure how I got here, not sure if I can ever leave now…. What is happening? What is this? What am I watching? To all of these I say I don’t care, I just love it this is absolutely madness incarnate loveliness. Is this the island of broken imaginations and ideas? I love it!!
Imo there where only 2 machines used.
No one went up a tall building?
I think mark edited that wiki page and wrote “hat” in himself
Mark is just too nice to argue and fight for himself. I think this essentially could be argued like this: hat is more soft thus feminised thus considered not machine because it stand against the stereotype of machine being cold and iron thus fulfilling the masculine characteristics if Bob’s is a machine.
The hat and crutch are not at all machines. Period.
"my body is a machine that turns food into energy, and energy into mechanical work. consequently, yeet"
Mark is so useless that's why Greg didn't disqualify him completely, he knew it wouldn't affect the scores later on.
Mark was actually winning the series for a few episodes and finished joint second. Despite his epic fails, he was pretty good at tasks
“Fiddly ... How?”
it's bullsh!t that Bob's thing is considered a machine but Mark's is not
"I'm going to be a fat indian robin hood....." ehhhhh he's just trying to curry favor..............................
I see that there are different definitions of machine. I always understood a machine as something that needed an internal source of power (steam, springs, electricity etc.) while anything that was solely powered by a human would be classified as a tool.
Even a basic lever is considered to be a machine.
@@smokeandkippers That is why I say there seems to be multiple usable definitions (including describing humans as machines). It just annoys me that there is no real difference between the words tool and machine in English.
For this show, the difference is whatever you can convince Greg the difference is so that it's the definition that is beneficial to you
Human body plus a hat is a machine when put together by a comedian or anyone else...
Genuine question but could you just throw the coconut onto a train?
Only if you created the train.
You could theoretically do that for any task ever.
No task has never said not to throw a coconut onto a train. However you may not be getting anything out of it... Other then the satisfaction for throwing a coconut onto a train.
@@jamesflames6987 True but Bob didn't create the walking stick
@@Cheesemounta He should have been disqualified!
@@jamesflames6987 Lol
Well, I'd argue that whether or not the hat is a machine depends on if it actually improved his throwing abilities in some way. The crutch clearly did that.
I noticed that they start at 5 instead of starting at 3 for a countdown. Is that a British thing?
zamn they put some stanky on the intro song
Mark definitely edited that Wikipedia
Aisling Bea is the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen…… just sayin!
I don't usually agree with these kind of comments... but I'm 100% making an exception for Aisling Bea. She is extraordinarily beautiful, and a great personality and comedic sense to boot.