A new million dollar tournament… but is it worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
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one of the things that sucks about this is that australia’s only big major that attracts international players, battle arena melbourne, has been screwed over. it’s over the same weekend as dreamhack dallas and a lot of the players who had announced they were going to attend have cancelled and are going to dallas instead. pretty rough for our region.
Unfortunate
yeah saudis dgaf about the community. they only care about sportswashing.
My personal opinion is that competitors should take advantage of this while it's here, because I don't see this as permanent FGC money. I think Saudis investing heavily in Esports right now is a political move to try and increase goodwill and positive perception of their region, similar to Qatar bidding super high to host the FIFA world cup. I doubt they actually want to seriously forward esports, and I highly doubt that they'll keep investing money here for a long term. The rushed nature of this whole thing, the extremely lax qualifications of just Top 8 instead of a circuit of tourneys, leads me to believe they wanted this out quick, not put out something very well structured.
Competitors should definitely do their best to take advantage of these situations while they're here IMO. They may get a few more chances at this money, but I doubt this is the future of esports like it's being made out to be. The tournament won't change the future of esports, but it can definitely change the future of people who place well in the FGC, and that should be a good reason to try and qualify.
Saudi Arabia is going to keep doing this as long as it buys them goodwill. And with most other countries behaving so badly nowadays, they might actually get some goodwill. If they just allowed gay people to be gay, most other countries wouldn't have a leg to stand on whilst criticising them.
The simple fact is that other than a tiny handful of players, most fighting game competitors don't make anywhere near enough money where turning down opportunities like this is really viable. I'm all for taking a moral stand on something but you have to pick your battles.
Never going to fault pro gamers for going for the bag their careers are typically extremely short and or volatile. My moral choices are my own and I understand priorities of keeping a roof over your head.
my thoughts exactly
Well said
I would have won evo but I had to work that day
There is no bug at wall (wave to bug on wall)
Sideshow who does commentary for fps game leagues has like a 1hour in depth discussion of the Saudi esports washing situation from around gamers8 last year.
Great shout
went to the comments to mention that same video. more ppl need to be aware of where this money is coming from
name of that video is "Saudi Arabia is poisoning esports: We SHOULD Care."
They're doing it in all sports. Everything is going to be run by infinite money Arabs in Saudi and Qatar and UAE eventually if nothing is done. I don't blame the individual competitors, especially FGC people because it's not exactly a lucrative venture for 99% of them, but the already mega rich athletes and sports leagues selling out is disappointing to say the least.
@@cltmck Agreed. Being a pro fighting game player is not lucrative unless you place near the top in say Capcom Cup. It shouldn't fall onto the smallest possible community to spark change against the human rights abuse when there's greedy-ass corporations involved.
For a sense of scale, if you have $10 billion, then giving random $10,000 rewards is like having $100,000 and handing out $.10 rewards. To the uber rich those sorts of supplementary payouts are literally nothing. Just worth keeping in mind the scale.
I love getting a look at esports through this lens in particular. Always here for the big picture economics and geopolitical coverage. Great work Brine.
It is funny that you think Capcom is getting "competition" Brian. The Saudis are the biggest outside investors in the company of Capcom.
SNK too 😅
Wow, more people need to see this content
More people need to see this comment
The team games are defiitely getting a larger portion of the prize pool than solo games like ours. I think the prizing will be smaller than people are thinking, when a lot of other games have to pay out 5 people per slot
still good to see so much money being spent in gaming either way
1M for SF6 is pretty good.
"The PIF is essentially the financial arm of the Saudi Arabia government, which has been accused of numerous human-rights violations. To improve its reputation, especially to the Western world, Saudi Arabia has heavily invested in various athletic organizations and events, a practice often referred to as “sportswashing.” This exercise, particularly when used by state-run groups, is considered a form of propaganda to distract the public from its abuses."
make no mistake what this is. it is saudi propaganda and they know ppl will look the other way if it means they have a shot at being rich. they know it's all good as long as they throw enough money around, and the talk will be about how the competitors' lives will be changed and not how atrocious human rights are in saudi arabia.
Who cares?
@@lavrentii-kolotushkin You're so brave 😍
@@lavrentii-kolotushkin Just because your worthless ass doesn't care doesn't mean no one else does. Shitting on someone for sharing relevant information just shows that you're a mistaken waste of flesh.
Human rights in Saudi are much, MUCH better today than they were before. Every country has issues, but at least we aint got people dying because of medical debt, school debts, and homelessness is at zero.
Who gave you the moral highground? Kids in your country are growing up addicted to weed and onlyfans in your country. Bum
Did anyone judge the pros for attending Gamers8 last year? I don't think anyone should have to worry about getting cancelled for competing for that much money even if the morals of the country are questionable.
What are the morals of your country? You act like youre on some moral highground of a country you never been. Classic L take.
Dreamhack Summer in Sweden is also a qualifier
Great topic to bring up. I think we all know many people really are not going to care because it's common to look the other way a bit when it comes to money, entertainment, or convenience. But it is good to inform people to at least empower them to make informed choices. That being said, it would be nice to see other countries and/or big organizations take a similar interest in esports to provide other options and competition. And while that government may have plenty of issues, there are still good people living within that country that like fighting games as well. So it's nice for that portion of the fgc too.
"MONEY!" - Gen Fu
now this is off topic mr brine but what guitar is that in the background?
Damn the front and back bots got here quick
The what
@@digitalchamploo9129does he know?
Jeremy Jahns be spittin
that bug on the wall is big as hell though
Is it just me or is there a fly on his wall
I thought it was my screen at first
WALLBUGGGGGGG
Jabaliey allways does a good job with the dreamhack events
"youtube look at the fly behind him" I hate this chatter specifically, I CAN'T STOP LOOKING
Yes
Brian_F has cemented himself as the best content creator to cover the Street Fighter competitive scene.
From shining a light on the competitors, discussing the formats, explaining the context for each event, etc.
Dude is great.
This is an event I’d love to go to but 1, my parents ain’t letting me go to the Middle East nor can I afford to travel there, and 2, I’m not good enough to compete lmao. One day though, one day. I’ll keep grinding
Lmfao the morality 😅 wtf is wrong with America
Only if you win it Brine.
HOLY SHIT QUDANS???
Yo Brian! Hello!
Pity theres no Hakan in SF6, he wont have any qualms taking oil money
I don't know if I'm confusing them with another eSports org but wasn't gamers8 the one where they took like 25 of match analisis + advertising for a game that lasted less than 5 mins total? If so I did not enjoy their production at all. That post match analisis works great on games like counter strike or mobas but for fighting games the wait time feels awful
Yeah gamers 8 was unwatchable live.
i miss the old facecam placement for some reason
10:00 Sorry Brian can't see the money
I'd say it's worth it especially if you live close to texas
like some guy in chat said, yummy blood money
Esports washing its cheaper than ol sports washing
No thanks, I'll wait for the billion dollar tournament
Gamers8 was undoubtedly a good event for a spectator. I personally dont like the ESWC (or whatever) because a lot of the best players at some fighting games are not guaranteed safety there. The Middle East has become super strong players who have visa issues often. I wish i could see the real best of the best go to a region with strong players like that and compete. Regardless, I've seen this motivate some players who haven't competed in a long time pop their heads up. I hope in the future we can have a tournament with a big prize with the best players coming together and not being gated by visa issues (see Arslan ash) or laws of a country.
Im really glad you made a video about this, Brian!
Liv golf scandal comes to Esports
I hope it goes well and the FGC can thrive with other tournaments like this! If it's good competition, good production value, good to watch and makes the community grow, I'm all for it.
For the uninitiated, it's not about how members of the FGC get treated as they get there. That is a concern of course for the affected people, and should be the first question for those who are looking to attend, but even if all is right with that - even if the event is well run, even if they treat everyone well, even if it feels authentic - that's not the deeper issue.
The deeper issue is that the money is an investement, as they are pushing tourism and immigration into a theocracy that employs modern-day slaves and suppresses civil rights for its citizens.
I personally have a very broad range of philosophical compatibilities, so I'm not necessarily outraged by every aspect of it (even though I most definitely am by some), but it's important to keep in mind that even if we find the event fun to watch, the staff welcoming and the place awesome, none of these (no-doubt very important aspects) answer to the qualms one might have about the situation.
Regardless, I am absolutely not judging anyone who decides to attend, as each person's financial situation and moral standards are different (and no, I'm not a moral relativist but it's hard to explain why it doesn't matter here). I just think it's important to bring up the deeper moral issues as well as the safety/treatment/sustainability ones, if we are to mention the possible troubles connected to associating with the Saudi governament.
bro money is money just cause the world cup is a way to get more tourists and brands what does that change in your life as a competitor, exactly nothing changes
Your gas is from saudi. America sells weapons to saudis. America has been doing business with saudi for decades. If you have “moral” issues with this, than you need to keep the same energy with every other country because all governments have shady history & oppression to its citizens at some point .
@@bigjc5546 if you dont care about understanding and discussing this side of the situation, my comment is not for you, as stated.
If you are trying to sway me you are out of luck because I do, in fact, believe that some things matter (=the premise of moral philosophy, which my comment invokes).
Money talks
@@mehvil5620 oh I talk a lot more than money buddy, you have no idea.
Also, it's always strange to me how some people will respond to a comment like mine (that btw stated intentions and target just for people like you to ignore it, but i guess it didnt work) defending the lack of an actual opinion. Its a quirky outcome of the post-information-age void and the way mindless obedience to the capital fills it.
Wait, so Kakeru is rich?
fgc pretending they care about this issue after going ham about gamers 8 last year is hilarious and pathetic
A little off topic here but where the f**k is akuma this is some bs surely he is not coming at the end of may ffs capcom is drawing this out to much and i am pissed off.
Does anyone feel like the whole scene has just been bought out from under us.
I like the hypocrisy in the comments "they can take the money, but no longer speak up" okay, lets just forget about almost everything you own and purchase in your life that uses oil purchased from saudi.
How are we allowed to live off their oil, but not make money off their esports? I wouldn't even find it weird if somebody who was trans went and just lied.
That kind of money is life changing.
You can absolutely choose your battles in these situations. There's a difference between using products that are almost unavoidable in modern life and choosing to play an active part in the Saudi propaganda machine.
My thoughts exactly. I may be trans but I don’t believe I pass in society quite yet. That said, people like me wouldn’t be the most welcome in that event… it’s almost life endangering to go to the Middle East right now.
I'd never be mad about players trying to get a paycheck from wherever, but yeah I can't personally support events coming from places like Saudi Arabia and hope that some players speak up about it even if they do participate.
If you make money from western capitalist countries you’re not much better either. All money comes from exploited labor from somewhere in the world.
That's weird to say the least
ask ngannou if he cares where his money came from 🤣
Incredible Video! Very well packed and Congratulations for mentioning the moral aspect of things since not only the rights for the LGBTQIA+ community are degraded at these places but also the women's rights are very weak at these countries, so it's always good to analyze things by their true intentions and not innocently think they are doing this out of good will
get the money and donate it to cool people who need it like me
The saudi's are offering one of the most diverse and volatile gaming communities opportunities to embarrass the entire kingdom and they'll even pay top dollar for the chance.
Ladies n gentlemen this is what buying influence looks like
Buying influence. The evo winner is from the same region.
We're gonna pretend to care about the source of the money now?
Remember the time when the best fighting game player won EVO and only get 5k. You think pro player want to go back to that era?
What the hell do you mean is it worth it? These pro’s have the skills, Go get that money, where else are you going to get a million dollars for playing a video game?
Honestly, I don't get what's the big deal. You want the bag, you compete in those big events
Remember what happened to Brittney Griner? If you travel to a backwards country to compete, you're subject to their backwards laws.
Don’t give 2 hoots. People complaining about this also don’t know where their monthly salary is coming from, in fact nobody knows where the money they get is coming from and we all know that money constantly changes hands.
I have nothing against people playing to get that bag, I just hope that the general population understands that for some people that Saudi Arabia feels like an unsafe place to compete in. It just feels risky.
If they got a guilty gear tourney don’t expect half the regular top players to show up lol
Riyadh is much different than any other area of Saudi. There is literally liqour stores now , its changed & the government created a whole
Area thats very westernized . Saudi government is far
More secular now , but the population isnt
@@fivepillars4880 If that is true I hope they do some advertising to let lgbt people know its safe to go. I do not claim to understand the country, but as an outsider the public perception leads us to believe we should not go until proven otherwise for our own safety. I hope what you say is true, and I hope they try to make people feel safe.
Do people carry guns like hand phones there ? oh that’s murica sorry
@@vhex61Yeah i know you get all you're information from TV and don't go outside
Haven't finished the video yet, but I hardly see how it couldn't be worth it. Fighting game tournaments are most exciting when it's the best players from all over the world. SF6 barely has that outside of evo/capcom cup. As a spectator, SFV was 1000 times better because players traveled all the time and now it's mostly just online tournaments. Doesn't hit the same
Well, he goes into why it might not be worth it. It's sort of the crux of the video. We know Brian prefers offline as a player and a viewer... So there must be something else going on here right?
@@jpVari Mmm I dont trust it, I'm just going to ignore the contents of the video and make up my mind beforehand, thanks.
@@jpVari yeah this is fully my bad. got sidetracked earlier and didnt finish the video till now. Pretty valid concerns
This was coming eventually. All PC based esports genres are primarily online. Once good rollback was gonna be a thing it would be the inevitable slowdown of the offline scene.
A million dollars is always worth it.
Huge respect for speaking on this topic, as complicated as it is. Because this is just the tip of the iceberg, the relation the FGC has around capitalism is... Interesting and seems one sided. I don't hold it on anyone if they chose to go there.
Long live Mohammed bin Salman
lets just say money is money
Maybe the Saudi Prince just likes Street Fighter?
I'd love for people to basically steal money from the Saudis. I'm not about improving their image in the slightest. I've got a lot of mixed feelings on this. Best I can say is that I hope people have fun competing, that Brian qualifies, and that people still know that Saudi Arabia is a terrible place at the end of the day. I honestly hope this publicity stunt backfires on the Saudis, and that having more people and eyes there and on them exposes it more in the long run. I also hope everyone stays safe. I imagine the competitors will be sequestered to a sanitized area and not allowed to leave it, but if that doesn't happen or they can leave, I hope they stay safe.
And that really looks like a spider on Brian's wall. It's probably a bracket, but it looks like a bug.
Dirty money is still money bro
I'm fine with players and talent taking the Saudi/Chinese money, but they should never lecture anyone about any human rights issues ever again. Esport/FGC talents who took the bag and still try to virtue signal on social media make me sick.
And America is the forefront of human rights virtue ? Lol. America just go around bombing countries calling it justice and media propaganda. The war they support , turning blind eye , American weapons supply to obvious human rights issue.
I mean, no country Is really safe when talking about human rights violation
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I don't know, playing video games shouldn't really be about money. I find it insulting winning obscene money.
Maybe I'm just old school.
I'm just going to have to accept that I'm a relative boomer and the old ways are over, but I hate the corporatization of the FGC. The golden era was the SFIV peak era before CPT existed where top guys were traveling seemingly every weekend, sometimes to what looked like someone's basement, to play tournaments where the audience was two feet from the players and the commentators were just whoever was available at that particular time.
Im all for it. People can cry on twitter all they want.
Mohammed bin Salman is supposedly a hardcore gamer. I can see why SA wanting to bring esports and to pay handsomely for the competitors =)
By all means, go and get the bag, but understand that it revokes your ability to be a serious person when it comes to campaigning for equality and human rights. If you're openly putting a price tag on these principles, then you've effectively sold off any right you had to an opinion worth listening to on the subject - unless it's a negative one, I guess. However, if you don't care and/or don't want to get involved, then fair enough, do what you want. It's your personal freedom.
Lol what a dumb comment. So avoid anything related to America China Israel etc then . You don’t do you ? Lol
So, what you’re saying is that people who win a lot of money can no longer speak about how they wish that everyone could live like they do? Are you incapable of thinking?
This is definitely where I come to check my morality stance, on Brian F's RUclips comment section. Thanks random RUclips warrior, I'll take your words to heart for the rest of my life and make decisions accordingly. . . Said no one ever lol FOH
Bro thinks his opinion weighs as much as the money you can get😭
“People who win a lot of money can no longer wish a lot of money for others too”. Are you okay there bud? Who hurt you?
seems slimy and gross and im hoping some of my fave tekken players abstain.
far be it from me to judge anyone having to make a decision i will never have to, one between their morals and a huge payday. but remember that black olympic runner jesse owens was treated better in nazi germany than he was in america, and realize that when a country is running a propaganda campaign, you really don't have to hand it to them, no matter how well that campaign is run.
Yeah it's blood money and as soon as you live a life that doesn't involve oil or oil byproducts you can get on your high horse.
Leta be honest, saudi arabia has much more money than capcom, but the human rights on this places is atrocious, not that we have much better around here, but there, people are just even more of scums with lgbtq, but at the same time, some people really need the money, so i dont know, is a rough situation
people going to tournaments by saudi arabia are signing off on all the heinous things that the country has done and is still doing. honestly, think about it, you are supporting a government that is the antithesis of everything we hold dear. and people are willing to overlook that cause of prize pools??? thats scummy as hell
Western hypocrisy…
Scetchi sources of money...... saudi arabia
And i'm out
Once you participate in an event like that, everything you say about FGC having to be inclusive and accepting should be disregarded by every single person as it's all meaningless.
Fuck Saudi Arabia
Money laundering lmao
Wow who knew that prizes would be insane but SF6 being so boring I don’t even care to watch anymore 😢
Yeah it's boring to watch for you because you probably only care about combos
@@cosmic5665not at all. Was an avid player for centuries. I played tournaments ect. I understand the game.playing since sf2. This game makes me fall asleep watching it. The game sucks right now
To all muslim in Saudi no matter how mush money you throw they always hate us. so please spend muslim money into right things
Allah said in chapter 2 verse 120:
Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance.
Allah said in chapter 3 verse 118:
Their prejudice has become evident from what they say and what their hearts hide is far worse. We have made Our revelations clear to you, if only you understood
12:20 lmaooooo literally who cares
You cant blame other countries for their culture.....if they have their own rules and customs its not on the hosting country to change their culture to accommodate people who disagree with that culture......imagine someone coming to our country and telling us we cant wear what we want or speak how we wish to speak.
Is that what we're calling murdering and torturing dissidents now? Culture? Huh... Weird times.
If you happened to be gay and were born in a country that kills gays by law would you be ok with the government executing you? It's part of your and their culture after all, you better respect it and allow it to happen, and not seek help from outsiders. Don't be a hypocrite.
@@Raxyz_0 Hate to burst your naive little bubble but every country on the planet has engaged in that same behavior. But sure keep talking
@@datdude15 Hate to burst your bubble but bringing up stuff countries did hundreds of years ago vs what they do currently is extremely stupid. And don't even try and pretend like any western country is even close to the current human rights abuses that go on over there. They stone people, they cut up journalists in front of the world and they use actual slaves for labour. The only reason they are even remotely relevant or even looked at all is because they're lucky enough to be living on oil which they desperately use to try and clean their filthy image.
@@datdude15 And I call them out too. Know what they don't do? Fund events to improve their image. Well... Russia and US did in last actually. You're right that there's plenty of scumbags in the world.
Why is Saudi Arabia investing so much in Street Fighter?
HI BRIAN! You're always so peppy, I smile every time i hit play xD
No way i just signed up. This is going to be my first time competing 😮
What...no money for MK1? Wuh happun?
Love this channel
You speaking out on this is wonderful, thank you.
Im grateful for tons of money being pumped into esports and the fgc, but such an inclusive community looking to a theocratic monarchy still stuck on killing gay people for money definitely seems rough.
They've allowed gay people to live freely now
Those Saudis are desperate to hedge themselves off the oil money.
Enjoy blood $
Hi Brian, I'm a long time viewer of your channel, and I'd consider myself a fan. I was in the chat watching this video being made on stream. I don't know if you read your youube comments, and I'm not sure if you're going to see this, but this video is disappointing to me as a supporter of yours. I'd go so far as to say it is irresponsible.
Events funded by Gamers8 are *quite literally* being funded by the Saudi government directly to *quite literally* help the state of Saudi Arabia move away from an oil based economy and into an economy that profits off of sports, entertainment, and infrastructure as part of their 2030 plan. This is a plan by the Saudi Arabian government to make the country appealing as a tourist destination, which is why the finals for all these eSports events take place in Saudi Arabia. These are all facts. I don't think it's too much of a reach to suggest, as many many others have in various esports and sports communities around the world have already suggested that this is a form of sportswashing as you mention in the video, meaning the government is using the positive press generated from tournaments like these to shift the public perception of the state. The prince of Saudi Arabia was even quoted last year saying "I will continue doing sport washing".
You've really got to ask the question Brian, why would the government of Saudi Arabia spend this much on press? The answer is that they really need it. They have incredibly discriminatory laws against women, kill gay people for the crime of loving others, kill hundreds of Ethiopan migrants and and asylum seekers at the Yemen border, kill journalists who criticise the government, jail people who tweet about criticising the government and so much more. You say in the video that "all sources of money have problems", which is true to an extent, but a really bold claim when comparing the funding coming from a video game company or tech conglomerates for a source of revenue to a government that is looking to sweep their human rights violations under the rug by adding a bunch of 0's onto a big check for playing street fighter.
Your video effectively does what the Saudi Arabian government is aiming to accomplish through pumping these tournaments full of money. You spend the majority of the video comparing the amount of money Gamers8 is providing compared to Capcom, and then at the end you extol the past events for treating the players and staff correctly. The majority of the issues you bring up are whether the money is going to the wrong places, whether the FGC is being scammed in some way, which is a miniscule concern in the grand scheme of things. The world where Gamers8 is scamming the players and commentators is a far better world than if Gamers8 uses these tournaments to create great tournaments that aid the monstrous government it is being funded by, because at least in the reality where it's a scam, the FGC would stop blindly following this money. By talking about this tournament in a majority positive way, without speaking about the true issues of Saudi funding, and by ending the video by saying you are likely going to attend the tournament, you are providing PR and I'm not sure that you realise how hurt some members of your community, and the FGC as a whole will be by doing this.
It's not the end of the world here. I'm not just going to leave it there. I'm disappointed Brian, but you said yourself in the video that you haven't done the research and that research should absolutely have been done before you made a video like this. That's fair. I even understand the possibility you are staying out of learning about the situation so as to wash your hands clean of the morality on the possibility that you can make it into the tournament finals for that life changing money. I don't agree with that decision, but I understand it, it is completely Life Changing money.
What I'm really sad about here is that you've always been a voice of reason in the FGC to me, someone who really seeks to understand the various topics you've talked about over the years, and give level headed analysis on, even changing your opinions if new information came out. When you started talking about this tournament on stream I genuinely thought for a moment you would use this opportunity to speak out on the highly problematic nature of tournaments from Gamers8 do the scene, since so many respected public figures in the FGC don't speak out about them, in part due to the potential money they can gain by not speaking out. You can still make that video Brian! Many in the scene would appreciate it! A voice as large as yours would go a long way. You can even still watch the tournaments and talk about them as well, it's so much better than doing what you are currently doing.
If, instead, you have decided that the chance at the money is worth more to you than certain members of the FGC and of your community, then hey, I get it. I don't fuck with it. I do get it. At the very least, if you're going to take the money, please stop providing Gamers8 with such glowing press while talking about their events. You can talk about the players, the storylines the gameplay without talking about the production and the money funded directly by a monstrous government. I hope you read this, I hope you're having a good day, and I hope you do the research into the Saudi Arabian government and its direct ties to Gamers8 and these events. I hope you can be a voice of reason in the community.