It's the only option I have left to continue camping regularly.
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- I've noticed my youtube channel views have dropped massively, and after taking a long look into my youtube youtube analysts, I found where to prove started from.
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Hey Dan, as a long term subscriber both on this account and a previous account I have watched your channel grow over the years. One of the reasons I personally believe that your channel may be in decline is because the videos are not as regular as you used to be. I know you have another channel going but you did say yourself on this channel when you launched the second channel that this one would not suffer as a result and the videos would still be as regular on this channel and your new one would not affect this channel in any way. As you have a family and a life to live, it was inevitable that having a second channel, especially one that requires overnight stays, etc, your main channel was going to take a hit. You only have so much free time that you can spend creating content. I am not saying that it's right or wrong I just this that is a major factor in the reason for the channel declining. We used to be guaranteed a video every weekend and myself personally would look forward to the weekly video and fit it into my own schedule to watch. It became a regular thing in our house to watch your weekly video each week as we knew when it would be uploaded and we all looked forward to it being released. Now it could be a few weeks before the next one and as that happens you start to get out of the habbit of looking for new videos because once you look a couple of times and there hasn't been anything new uploaded you find yourself not looking anymore without meaning to. We still thoroughly enjoy all your videos and will continue to watch them as soon as they are released. I'm just trying to help you understand the possible reasons for the views dropping. Keep up the good work though Dan, you still have not put up a single video we didn't like or enjoy. Always great videos and one of if not the best channel on RUclips. We all always enjoy them in our house, and I know you have helped so many to "get out and be that person" as you so often say yourself. You should be proud of what you have achieved because it's you that makes the channel. People watch because they like you, they like your honesty and your down to earth nature. Many people have outdoor channels, but if you don't like the person, you won't stick around or follow the channel. Look forward to your next video. Take care bud.
Be Regular Dan !
Spot on my friend. The problem is he was a weekly consistent and created predictable content, and him camping. It became a weekly routine for me. Once he broke that routine I haven't watched as much it's also because the content isn't predictable anymore. I am not interested at all in his other content, especially the giveaway nonsense. I don't mind his old stove review or his cooking vids, but other than that it's a no watch for me. Another channel I watch as a routine is outdoor gear review with Luke. His channel works for the reasons this channel used to work. It's predictable and weekly.
I get that he prolly has the urge to change it up not be boring but he doesn't understand that you can't just change what you sell and expect your customers to keep coming back. If the bakery decided to sell bricks instead of bread imma find a new bakery not buy bricks instead.
Yes and when your not consistently on here RUclips tends to not show your vlogs as much as those who are on here regularly so yours are pushed further aside for other regular bloggers.
Best thing about having private woodland is peace of mind. It takes all the worry away and for me, that is priceless.
I think it's a cracking idea Dan
You not camping there won't stop other people going camping in it
You're right, but it gives me the right to be there now
Hello Dan , I think you renting the bit of Woodland , is a Great idea , if the Landowners Agree , and it does not cost you the Earth ! . Lets hope they Agree , I know you Have been Missing it there ! .😊👍
Hi bob
this is my 2 cents - i watch a LOT of people like you and most are interesting - but if your gonna rent a woods you might as well camp in your back yard you would know it like the back of your hand i guess i kinda like the STEALTH campers cause its more excitingwhy not one time get in your car or truck and go 2 hours down the road and with google pick out a new spot that would make us more interested anyway no matter what i say your gonna do what you want to and i understand that - good camping
English Woodsman with his very own woodland.... brilliant idea 👍
Wish you every success sir.
Not sure about paying money if they're expecting you to manage the woodland as well. I'd be proper mad if I was paying to be there and still had to deal with dumped tents etc. End of the day it's your choice to make, and I understand the attraction of having a regular spot to use, but I'd be wary of agreeing to too much upkeep work I mean you don't pay to go to work do you!
So if you were renting a house, and someone threw some rubbish into your front garden, would you ring the landlord to get him to clear it up?
Dan you don't need to ask mate!! It's your channel, do as you wish!! I think it is a great idea, you can look after the woods and enjoy many future camps GO FOR IT!!
There are always a few that spoil things for others. So go ahead and rent it because it will be best for you and safer.
Because you clickbait too hard and over dramatise situations
Well Dan, This is a new concept of wild camping renting a plot of woodland to camp in, how do you plan to stop the youth of today coming and damaging the area, there seems to be a lot of thickos these days who enjoy damaging things either by fire or killing wildlife or other destruction, I think you should get away from urban places and venture into the wild peaceful places, we have loads of places away from the morons! I bet there is some fantastic places 30 mins from where you live! Cheers Mark!
I think its a brilliant idea. The owner has a responsible respectful camper who is accountable to take proper care of the area and you have more exclusive rights to camp there by an agreement only you have w him. A win-win! This gives you more privacy, safety and authority when camping there. More views, more convenience. And the owner more security on his woodland property. Well done👍
I prefer camping in different places to be fair but we are "
Rough "walkers"
Working it out with the landowner is always a good idea Dan. And as far as keeping it up, you always clean up after others anyway so you’ll just be doing what you always do. It’s a good thing to do Dan and I’ll keep watching no matter what you do.
I've lost a bit of enthusiasm for some camping videos lately. I like bad weather, and hot tent camping.. but a lot of the Ghost/Aliens/Bigfoot/MRE stuff I personally find off putting. With so many RUclips channels to watch and not enough time to watch them all I have become more selective with what I can watch.
I think renting a bit of woodland is a good idea, and maybe even offer to help clear up what others have littered?
Whipping out a 3lb cast iron pan and a 2lb steak is hardly real camping, is it?
Your equipment must require a gang of Sherpa's.
Much prefer camping out of the way,none of this taking the car and walking five minutes,just boring
What will the viewer gain from you renting a piece of land? There are already a LOT of channels doing the same thing. Park the car, walk a few hundred metres, set up a tent, use the firewood you cut up last time, and cook some sausages.
Something new and at least a little original is neede.
That sounds like a great idea, it's close and you feel safe. Perhaps trail cams could be put up by the owner to catch the illegal campers who are causing the problems could be caught then and made to pay for damage.
Total U turn to what he told us earlier this year. Said he was going to venture further afield. Obviously because of his other channel he hasn't had time to do any camping
Sounds an excellent idea Dan. Why don’t you offer to plant trees, of species the owner wants. Running courses would be a load of hassle, as you would have to do risk assessments, CRB checks if youth are involved. Bring wood in to burn. This sounds like a win win for both of you, and you should gain the trust & respect of the owner/farmer. I can’t see the owner allowing a long term lease without a trial period of possibly a year? As it may depend on your interaction with the local youth who abuse the woods. For your channel to grow, stop doing BS haunted vids, they destroy ur credibility 😊
Perhaps maybe buy your own bit of woodland like TA outdoors did, i think he paid about 10 grand for his woodland.
Really? Thats not baf
Talking about the same stuff all the time gets tedious, be more controversial and upset a few people😊
I have a suggestion. Most people probably watch at Bedtime. I think people enjoy the Night footage by far the most ! Film more cool cozy or scary Night stuff ! Thanks !!!
listen mate your channel is in decline coz you do not make enuff videos. All this tent give aways is nonsense we want camping videos not tent adverts. get back into what you do well and be that person. we understand you are too unfit to go trekking up mountains so just stick to the flat zones camp at the beach sometimes we all like the seaside
Wheres that scary video gone?
You'd probably have to stick up private property signs
Speaking as a woodland owner, this seems like a good solution. Public liability insurance in particular is getting insanely expensive (if you can get it), so I can understand other owners being concerned about people going in there informally, especially if engaging in camping, fires, etc. Things are rarely free. It's just not always obvious who is doing the paying.
Great idea Dan, get some private land signs up!!!😊
55 and gonna start wild camping soon. I need to get away from the towns and cities.
Great idea Dan if it's your piece and tranquillity being their enjoy it if it's offered to you
Great idea, it also means you’d be a custodian of the area, keeping an eye out and looking after the wood. The landowner should be happy with that too.
If the renting doesn’t work out, how about building a little bridge across the pond? We have plenty of places to camp here in North America…….😉✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦🇬🇧✌️
Renting the woodland sounds great, hopefully works out. The problem atm is you were a consistent weekly uploader and created predictable content, that content being you overnight camping. Because you used to be predicatable and consistent watching became a weekly routine for me like tuning in weekly to a tv show at its scheduled time. Once YOU broke that routine by missing weeks and also uploading non-camping content on weeks you did upload I haven't watched as much. I also dont watch as often because the content isn't predictable anymore. I am not interested at all in your other content, especially the giveaways and doing quick reviews on tents and stuff. I don't mind the stove reviews when you cook in them, but other than that this other content you're making is a no watch for me and apparently a significant amount of other people. Another channel I watch as a routine is outdoor gear review with Luke. His channel works for the reasons your channel used to work and this i still watch him weekly. He uploads camping content and review content but he does both predictably and consistently. He doesn't decides one week to make a review of a sleeping pad INSTEAD of unloading a camping trip video he instead uploads the reviews as "bonus" content. Anyways, my point is It's predictable and weekly.
I get that you prolly have the urge to change it up in order not be boring but you dont seem to understand that you can't just change what you sell and expect your customers to keep coming back. If the bakery on the corner decided to sell bricks instead of bread imma find a new bakery not buy bricks
I stopped tuning in because going back to the same place is repetitive.
No hate here, I just prefer to see new interesting places.
The issue with taking other people is that you'll be held responsible for their actions if you've hired the land.
All the best mate whatever you decide
Same here, I've unsubscribed but still tune in, there isn't consistent effort on this channel, when & if it does get better I will subscribe again but until that time uts a no from me & this idea Dan has here is a terrible one in my opinion.
But wouldn’t it be just the same video every week , same view , etc
My views have dropped too, there's just too many people with a good camera phone now. I used to be the only person reviewing certain torches. Now, everybody bloody reviews them.
I think it’s a good idea Dan. It does show sincerity, appreciation and you will take care of the property.
Gentlemen's agreement and you being the caretaker of the woodland is very nice. You have a home and work life and trekking all over the countryside is time consuming. The best of all worlds I think renting the space. We like sharing a nice camping time with you chatting and checking out gear and the cooking and fires are always a bonus.
We could donate on a fundraising to help
I own a small woodland which I film in and whilst it’s a bit more “controlled “ environment it still shows the methods and techniques used in either a survival situation or just showing kit, but without the hassle of using other properties owned by other people! I still like to do little videos when I’m out and about and try to stick to day projects without overnighting that way less likely to upset anyone. I highly recommend buying some land of your own if you can, it’s also so rewarding when not filming having somewhere to chill out in for yourself! It’s also a great investment for your financial future as prices will only go up as less land becomes available. If you have the financial means id honestly recommend it whole heartedly! You will not be disappointed. As for the channel content…. Just do what you enjoy! If you like it then others will too. Don’t try to hard to please others do it for yourself. That’s just my personal opinion mate. Take care and best wishes 👍🏻👍🏻😎
Sounds a great idea Dan but if you are renting the woodland does that not make you liable for it and anything that happens on it ? I might be totally wrong here as not a solicitor might might be worth checking it out
I think it is a fantastic option. You go and do what you want t.
I think it's a great idea. Bit of peace of mind... priceless
What a fab idea I'd love my own bit of woodland Dan.Great way to get away from the rat race and chill ..can't think of anything better. 😊
Why don't you go to another woodland? Cause of it's only camping, camping in the same spot can just get a bit boring for the viewer I think. If you were building bushcraft dens etc and teaching skills, then maybe, but to just keep going back doing the same thing, I'd say no.
Kent survival Channel is amazing he does the best bushcraft and cooking aswell as well using different shelters or tents
@@sammywilliams4418 aye, I know if his channel although it's become less bushcraft recently and more vehicle camping and drinking IPA 🙂 I quite like T A outdoors for bushcraft stuff. Cheers.
Yeah great idea DAN and it's not going to be a headache about were to Go,all the time, straight into camping and food, which we love, good luck with that happening mate, ALAN. 💯👍
Don’t forget rental money is dead money, if you can afford the rent then save up and buy some land outright! That’s just my opinion mate 👍🏻👍🏻😎
Hi mate renting this woodland is a good idea because it's getting houses built on it next year
That’s plenty good enough reason mate!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎
It's not woodland, it's scrubland on the edge of a council estate. As for the mountains? you will never go there.
Hi Dan, we all want to have permission woodland, we have to respect both the landowners and the woodland. If we want to be in nature, we have to respect everything. If we leave the dead fall wood and bring our own firewood, then we are helping nature to thrive by leaving everything as it is. I wish I had somewhere close by with permission, if that involves cleaning and caring for the land, then I'm all for it and id pay for the privilege. Go for it mate 👍
Sounds ideal to me. Having their own space didn't hurt TA Outdoors any...
Spread the load, its a lot of work to take on alone. Start a private bushcraft club for you and your mates, everyone pays per night and helps out with the maintenance. That would be my advice anyway.
I think it's a great idea. Somewhere safe, and let's be honest, wild camping in the UK is difficult. Probably illegal. Any secure place for camping is a bonus. Hope the agreement works out.
Hi Dan, I think it's a great idea, ⛺️ can't you rent the other area of woodland, the haunted one. 👻 👻The only downside is that you're going to the place over and over and over and over Zzzzzzzz, 😴 💤 again. ❤
I'd say the lower numbers are due to the length of the videos. I see a video that is 50+ minutes long is too much for me. I'm not knocking you mate, it's your choice....to be a professional film maker you must learn the craft of editing....do you realise how many frames are left on the cutting floor when editing feature films? Drop to 20-25 minutes and you may see your figures rise.
What a great idea ,you seem to have a good relationship with the landowners . If your channel can fund it and increase your figures then go for it your honest and open approach has to be commend ed ,wishing you all the best👍
I like the idea of renting the woods. Its much better than "sneaking about" on private land, especially as the owner watches YT. Have you not considered buying a small woodland either by yourself or with friends? Appreciate the costs are greater tho.
On the subject of channel decline, I expect COVID passing and a saturated market has seen numbers drop off. I've seen a few BIG names in the space turn into raffle channels. All the best 👍
On the whole, it's a good idea to rent a bit of dirt Dan. With that responsibility comes responsibility. Once you focus on the type of English Woodman YOU want to be and have. Good luck, Dan .....
I love camping and bushcraft but it's always a pain when camping channels sway towards hiking I can't stand it I loved haze but he started doing more and more hikes..I'd love more bushcraft and building shelters I think you would do great off it keep up the cracking vids mate.....I never normally comment but thought I think it would be a great idea renting
I camp at Hainsworth wood, near keighly. Great little campsite. It's a great wild camping spot. And I believe you have been there too. £5 a night. And although there is the occasional youth's on bikes visiting, it seems pretty secure. If you can find a campsite that allows you to film in relative security, this sounds like a perfect solution dude.
An inventive move. I would be concerned how much work this may take up from you and your legal stance with people misusing the wood, practically would you just clean up after them? Good luck.
Rent the woods, do a cleanup in any areas that are getting abused by others. Then do abit of bushcraft and review some of the gear you use. I reckon the channel drops off in summer months, we all sit around watching camping and backpacking videos in the winter months but most of us are out with our sleeping bags come summer 😂 keep up the good work pal
I think to rent is a good idea. As long as you don't get the blame for any mess made by irresponsible users ? As you say they sometimes leave gas bottles and tents ?
I am lucky to have very large areas of East Yorkshire, near to Spurn Point which we use for Ebiking, wildlife spotting etc. We have offered to function as unpaid wardens, similar to what you mention. This summer there has been a lot of development and coastal tracks for cycling, bird watching, some very remote Areas.
Hi Dan, it must be frustrating. I watch a couple of channels which I really enjoy however incan t get my head around being so close to civilisation. Stealth camping etc. i guess we are spoilt here (living in the Blue mountains and Wllemi national parks). As for safety. I couldnt agree more. Theres a court case here where an older camping couple were murdered over what appears to be a dispute over a drone. Horrible. I enjoy your chanel so keep it up! Perhaps you could offer the owner a cleaning bee ie like landcare. As an example to improve the woodland and/or the estate?
Yes you will need to display some responsibilities towards this woodland especially as if others come in and say litter you will have to deal with it .
This issue needs careful planning and discussion with the land owner. As an ex staff member for the kids camping charity Forest School Camps ( FSC) I know how much kids love being outdoors , making fires etc and it creates a valuable learning environment.
I think it's a great idea to rent out some woodland if you can. This means you always have a place to use all year round, I've had a few places cancel bookings at sites after storm warnings were issued. I knew there were storms coming and booked that night to test out my tent before I hit a mountain peak.
Anyway, sounds like your mind is mind and i look forward to seeing some bushcraft and cooking videos.
If it’s affordable then I think renting the wood is a very good idea especially if you and your mates can ‘police ‘ and manage the area . This will hopefully prevent other less caring folk disrespecting the area .
It is so hard to get permission, it’s good if you can rent some woods. Totally get the safety stuff, I camp in campsites with my boy but they are getting really expensive £30 per night. Maybe you could do some campsite reviews:)
All your ideas are good. I think you could charge people for camping; they would be willing to pay for a place where they are not "trespassing" where they shouldn't, nor in fear of being turfed out. Good luck.
100% Dan , you are where you are because of the cooking and using your gear. No matter where you are. I prefer these type of videos. Just keep being you. Rent it definitely. Bring your own wood.
If you have to give some financial incentive to the landowner to secure a safe comfortable area then I think that's fair enough. These days close to urban areas any woodlands going to be discovered by Fly campers, quite how your going to stop that even when your paying for use of the woods will be a challenge. I followed your channel from its early days, and certainly you hit on the right recipe hence its popularity . I think you went through a period were you "diluted" your content with your other channels, ie in the past you had a mix of kit reviews cooking new camp locations. Things have changed dramatically since you started ie Theirs everyone and their Dog now doing You Tube Wild Camping videos. Appreciate it is difficult to keep things fresh but I am a fan of your good old days . Remember its meant to be fun.
Bad idea Dan, so you will be paying for the use of the woodland while others use it just because it's there as they probably have done because they live close by, you won't be able to stop them, camping near any urban area will always bring problems like local idiots making things unsafe & here you are inviting campers along who you might unwittingly put into danger just by camping in such a place.
What you like about that woodland is just how convenient it is by being on your doorstep, these weekend so called woodsman video's aren't amounting to much, other channels are providing watchers with regular content that's had effort put into it and it shows. I'm sorry but in my opinion this channel is struggling in comparison with others, yes 80+ thousand subscribers is impressive you need to think how many years has it taken to get that many? Then compare that to some other channels and see how long it has taken them to reach their subscriber numbers, personally I think you should upload content that shows you doing what you talk about doing (being that person) if that means you only get a camping video out every 2 weeks then that's ok, quality not quantity Dan.
Good idea. Assume this isn't exclusive to you? I was wondering what's the wording of the agreement regarding third parties and liability, anything?
Hello Dan,do you not have access to local parks? That’s where I’m doing most of my camping! It can attract negative attention at times,like people will look at you and probably talk behind your back,I’ve even had people attack me and sometimes set their dogs on me! Apart from that it’s not too bad. Hope you sort your camping situation out soon mate.
Personally I’d prefer less emphasis on reviewing equipment - (i would think the number of viewers who should actually go out and buy equipment would be quite low) and more focus just on the actual experience and your interactions with nature and others who might be with you. When you are out with others - Vegan Dan etc its the personal interactions i find of most interest - and seeing how you observe the various seasons - the ‘personal’ touch you provide - all the best
I used to watch all of your vids but the new clickbait sensationalism put me off tbh and I stopped even checking them out for a few seconds. I liked your old videos though. I think you're trying too hard to expand at the moment. I remain subscribed hoping for something not steered and influenced by algorithms. Best of luck with future videos.
theres an unwritten rule about wild camping in scotland. if you can, tidy up any rubbish you find. we tend to have an army of people willing to do big clean ups, beaches, woods, parks etc. teenagers gonna teenage, a lot of it iss just lack of knowledge, some of it is laziness, and a little of it is heartlessness, so just tidy what you can as you go. carry it out if you have the legs. but above all, dont get angry about it, its like getting angry at a puppy for peeing the carpet. we were all carpet peeing puppies once.
it's a great idea Dan The farmer gets an income from a piece of unproductive land and you get to be there lawfully. Both winners You will have to look after the place but may receive a small income for your efforts. I hope it goes well for you. Who knows, you eventually may purchase it. Good Luck, I hope it goes well for you.
Hope all works out for you , God bless you and your family and happy camping 🏕 😀 😊 🙏. Lee
Yeah Deffo good idea, hopefully keep the idiots out,
I've had my chanel a month, I don't think I'm doing it right, no one seems interested, but because of you I'll keep going for awhile, cheers for ya work.
I think it's a brilliant idea. I do believe that public land should be open to camp on, but this is private land, so it's respectful to the owner.
Can I come and have a campfire chat/dinner with you though?
Go for it, Dan. Would love to see you doing a video camping up here in Scotland. By and large, as long as you're not abusing the land, you dont need permission. Watch the midgies though. 😮
You cant control who goes in and leaves trash.
There should be no money involved. You look after the woodland and its upkeep and in turn they let you camp there. If not find somewhere els. Apply to other land owners for permission. Perhaps 1 or 2 out of 15 or so will give permission.
Good idea Dan ,miss the woodland camps you did with scott and dan etc back in the Day,( and waiting for the steak sizzle!!) We ,wanna see more of your channel mate cos you keep it real ....good luck Pal ...
I agree with your situation and think renting appears to be a solution. The real problem is numpties abusing the woodland and I feel for the land owner.
He should really be paying you for policing his land, especially if you are cleaning up after nuggets that don't appreciate the countryside.
I'd hate this to start a trend whereby people rent land then ban other caring folk from spending a night leaving no trace. Honestly, I'm split on this one. Just as well you've already made your decision.
Your right . Not every one goes up mountains or have the time to drive to the lakes , Peak District etc. For me it would be a 6hr drive so camping in local woods is my best option and camping up in the lakes etc is a weekend break which I have to take off work and that isn’t always that simple.
Keep up the good work
Hi Dan, fairly new sub still getting through your vids which are great being down to earth which is what camping is all about. Regarding this idea of renting the woodland, if you're going to be accepting responsibility by renting then why don't you offer to maintain the woods for the land owner by keeping it clear of rubbish etc free of charge earning you the 'right' to camp on location whilst you do so? Both parties happy.
Dan it's a shame it's come to this but If it solves your issue with the wood all the better. How are you going police the wood, would be be an issue that comes to mind?
Also on the subject of the drop in subscription. I've just been informed that some subscription have stopped on some utube sites. I've noticed that some of my notifications have stopped notably to your site. It might be an idear to let your subscribers no this.
Cheers Dan looking forward to the new start😊
I don’t think this is a bad idea but here’s another perspective that could help. I first found your channel because you have posted a lot of gear reviews in the past. You reviewed the camping hammock I use, a twig stove and some other things that I use that I take on outdoor adventures. You haven’t posted very many gear reviews as of late. Maybe if you pick up some gear you can do reviews somewhere you don’t need to pay for and you can get a higher number of videos in your backlog for a more consistent schedule.
I’d offer him.. if I pick up others people’s rubbish on my way out can I camp here.. kind of a woodland caretaker.. if I owned the land I’d be happy with that
Sounds like a great opportunity, anyone who is reasonable will understand the land owners position when the idiots trash their land. So this way you keep it in good standing, get your own space to manage and they get the woodland managed. Only question is who will secure the land if you rent it? Will they then leave “tress-passers” to do as they please on the basis you are liable? in terms of opportunities for people to come along and join you on a camp? Where do we sign up 👍🏻👍🏻
What ever do do in your future videos, I’ll be watching you mate. Keep the uploads coming , all the very best to you 👍
Not your fault, just the UK is basically the worst place in the world for camping.
Hey Dan , is there a free camping ap like there is a free parking for overnight van or car free camping? It would be a good idea but as you say it is a big commitment that could be taken advantage. I hope you do it & you have all the success in your adventure as you deserve my friend. I'm in 😊❤ A
Could you not look into buying your own? I’ve looked at various sites in Northern Ireland to purchase. Would allow you absolute freedom to do whatever you want.
That’s a great idea, especially if it’s not overly expensive. I might look into this in my local area.
I’d love an invite if you start doing group camps.
Hi Dan, channels like yours pal, i have watched in the past. they have bought the land, so they can do more stuff, like shelters, and build a little cabin etc, and have a few bush craft camps there. If you can get a decent deal on renting it, your laughing. Also the land owners will happy that its been looked after, and been used for something.
Great idea but check with someone who already owns or rents a private woodland just so you don't get stuck with too much maintenance (fence upkeep etc).
Post the land as private, keep it clean and maybe improve it and it’s a win for both you and the landowner. And, of course, us as well.