This new INTEL stability ISSUE might not be so new
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- Felt like ranting a bit.
here are the videos and links...
PC WORLD VIDEO
• Intel Crashing Reports...
EROCK: (MUST WATCH)
• Why I Switched To Inte...
DANNY Z REVIEWS
• Fixing High Latency Is...
Tech YES City (MUST WATCH)
• SNAP - The Intel CPU L...
Hardware Unboxed
• Unstable Intel CPUs, T...
Gamers nexus
• HW News - Unstable Int...
Pauls Hardware
• Intel has a Big Proble... 
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These issues are related to BIOS problems. I've been doing PC troubleshooting for close to 30 years now, and I can count on one hand the number of times a CPU was actually bad. The Intel CPUs are not failing, its the BIOS revisions that are pushing AI overclocking, vcore limits, or just in general high voltages which will then present as faulty CPUs.
My 13900K, 13900KS, and current 14900KS all ran different on various different BIOS revisions on an ASUS Apex Encore z790. One revision of BIOS would instantly crash cinebench or any CPU bench test even with non BIOS optimized settings, this BIOS would also have high voltage characteristics and high heat even with a 420mm AIO. Flash the BIOS, and all issues disappeared. CPU was not at fault... its BIOS programming and its not limited to one manufacturer.
I hear you on all this, and with the current issue I believe most of it is Bios/MB related. The other issues with stuttering and latency are a bit different. Idk if you checked out the Tech Yes City video linked below before, but I recommend it. I've spoken with him directly about this months back, and as a system seller going through multiple motherboards and different CPUs I ran into tons of stability issues. The odd thing was that some CPUs behaved differently than others that were the exact same skew in the same board. I had one in particular that was pretty crazy, two I9 12900k (s) came in at the same time. Using the same bench (these were going to customers) I had one behave completely different. Hard hang ups randomly on the desktop. The other one, was night and day better.
Long story short, I was bashed a million times over believing there's something wrong with the big little hybrid architecture, but I still stand by it. You should check out that video. There is definitely something up with a percentage of their CPUs. It might be small.
Also 30 yrs! Damn a long time. I started in 2010. Almost halfway to you.
Appreciate the comment.
@@techwandoUS Everytime you boot up on most performance motherboards, there is an "AI learning process" for the CPU which includes the IMC. As well as memory learning. This is something that is well documented with AMD systems especially with 7xxx series CPUs, and yes you guessed it causes problems, stalls, instabilities etc. well documented from many techtubers and forums all over the web.
To put this in perspective, 13900K no issues with one BIOS, 13900KS crashed on same BIOS... flash to updated BIOS and 13900KS problems disappeared, samething happened with 14900KS. This is after the typical troubleshooting steps were run through including resetting CMOS, setting all memory speeds to defaults, and insuring AI overclocking was not enabled.
Im sure its just a matter of time before some techtubers actually test these things and figure it out. I've personally built 100-150 machines since 12th gen came out, ranging from 12900K to 14900KS machines... not a single one has had issues as of yet. But that is partially because I stress test and optimize each machine before it goes to the client.
I'm experiencing the same issues as the OP. I have a i5 12600KF. My issue is stuttering at the desktop. I have the Msi Z690 Pro A motherboard. Which steps would you recommend I check first. All I have set is the XMP profile everything else is set to stock
@@NitrousXProductions have you tried to turn off core parking?
The problem with newest bios from asus they put limit to 280 ampers. For me it's for 13900k witch gives the processor around 180 watts ad tops. So I'm getting 4.8 mhz on core. Better was bios before where you could force defaults to multicore enhancment so processor was taking watts and amps according to limits to 252 watts. So with 400 ampers limit procesor was only taking enough amps to be in 252 watts limit witch was going easily with 5.5 ghz without issues. And with new bios you're limited by 280 amps so you're limited to 180 watts so what's the point in 252 watts specyfication??
I’ve been going down that rabbit hole for about a year. Microsoft Word and Excel were completely unusable with an i9-12900k and i7-12700k. I bought every 12th gen CPU and 9 motherboards. The i9 and i7 worked perfectly fine with an H610 motherboard and DDR4 B660 motherboards. The weird thing is, running Linux Mint on a computer that was stuttering and shutting off fixed everything. The worst combo was a Gigabyte Z690 with an i7-12700k and RTX 4060. It was freezing up every hour completely locking up but with Linux Mint installed it worked flawlessly. Still using it to this day. I’m almost convinced that it’s an issue with the Windows kernel, BIOS or motherboard chipset.
Have you ever thought about making a video on this topic? It would do really well. I had bad luck with testing Linux and decided the video wasn't worth posting last year.
I wish I could run Linux and have access to multiplayer titles. Makes it tough to test popular games.
Always appreciate your input man, think about documenting what you found!
@@techwandoUS I hit my head a few years back and absolutely suck at talking. Linux mint actually works pretty well and has Steam built in but it only plays about 30% of the games on there unless you install proton. Linux still doesn't work with 790 or B760 motherboards but works with Gigabyte B660, Z690 and H610 boards. It doesn't work with MSI motherboards for some weird reason.
@@bdp-racing Good to know man. Also sorry about the head, that's rough man. Happy your okay for the most part though... (I'm assuming).
Hey man I appreciate the shoutout! Thank you for mentioning PC world. I had no idea they were reporting the issues as well. I’ll check that out! I agree with you that both issues are likely related. I believe where there is smoke there tends to be fire. Also, motherboard issues are definitely a thing. I have no idea why Asus wants to max out the chips as their “stock” setting. Stability and usability should be priority number 1. I started the migration last night. Out with Intel and back in with AMD. I love PC building but man I’m a bit burned out on it right now haha.
Very well said, and of course man. Sorry it wasn't a full fledged video haha.
In many ways you kinda diving back into it, along with the news has truly peaked my interest. Ultimately, I'm afraid that they're just going to continue to brush this under the rug until a new generation of hardware comes from Intel. I'm calling it now, but I bet they will drop E cores all together in a new architecture.
Appreciate the comment man.
@@techwandoUSDude you’re totally good. No worries at all. I agree 100%. Intel is going to try and blow past this as fast as possible and never look back. E cores are likely going away. I think they are more headache than they are worth. I disabled e cores finally on my 14900K and I did notice an improvement in the stutter. It was still present but no where near as bad.
@ErockOnTech I think you should pick up a used b660 steel legend or something of that quality and try it in there. Would be interesting to see if it behaves any differently
I don't know why bigger youtube channels like ltt, hardware unboxed or gamers nexus not talking about the latency issue
You don't know why they don't talk about it?
@@techwandoUS Yeah
@@marshal7969 totally agree
GN has a news video out yesterday/last night.
@@NVMDSTEvil Yeah but it wasn't the same as how tech yes city and techwando talking about latency
Hearing you say that the Asus board working fine with 12th gen tracks with my experience as well. When I switched to 13th/14th gen I started having stability issues. Thanks for the sanity check.
I think because the 12th gen chips had a bit of overhead, the board can still push the chip without having instability issues.
idk if this related but buildzoid has been ranting about RAM stability on intel platforms, even on XMP, but not many people realized about the stability that he mentioned because I and probably everyone thought that it's not the case because of intel can run at higher speed than AMD 6000mhz
I think in many ways it could all be related. It's easy to buy a kit of 6400+ and turn on XMP, but auto XMP can sometimes be as comparable to something like Asus Auto OC and give you and unstable experience. I think oftentimes people don't find that unstable experience until way later when they're launching some random game that just doesn't function or application.
@@techwandoUS if this the case than people should've really started to do rigorous benchmarking on their system because running smoothly doesn't mean it's stable enough lol
@@kingofstrike1234 @kingofstrike1234 Your right, It's almost like you have to insanely test for the first couple of weeks that you own the machine to really figure out if there's anything wrong these days.
The dude's over at PC world said this exact same thing. It's like they had all these samples hanging around the office. They would do a few benchmarks and then they would stay unused for months, and finally it gets thrown into a system, and they discover all sorts of issues.
Places like GN have a lot of older generation hardware for their workstations, so they are not seeing heavy day to day use amongst the employees, they just rest the new product for benchmarks, get a number and produce results... which is also fine in many ways.
Happy to see some coverage of these strange issues now though to say the least.
A lot of this issues are tied with motherboards pushing settings that go way above the intended specifications without most users even knowing . 4096 watts limit? 511.750 vcc cache max per default? just because you have something that goes beyond a box cooler? Multicore enhancements on by default in multiple asus (and other ) boards. Optimized xmp profiles (again asus) that go beyond the manufacturer's defined xmp profile, and that often sacrifice stability for 3% better benchmark performance.
And we are not just talking about a 5 or 10% tweak .Many motherboards are by default shoving 25 to 30% more watts on the cpu and increasing vcache max by more than 2/3 of the intended value. Not even XTU optimizer when asked to overclock the chip sets the vcache to 511.750 A . but the motherboard does.
Not to mention that often standard intel stock settings are hidden beyond plethora of menus to the point it is hard to enable stock settings.
I have run a 12700 and now a 14700 and never had any issues despite oc'ing them. But I changed the damn motherboard settings to reasonable values. and those were not 328 or 4096 watts or 511.750 Amperes of vcache max.
Well said 👍
@@techwandoUS and just to prove my point asus releases a new bios that now has a standard settings profile.
Sorry but for asus was really easy to set stock setting. Just multicore enhancement from auto to enforce defaults. That did all the job. So processor could use power according to its specification. Witch you could see in intel tool. When I was buying cpu it was first thing I saw in internet to do. And mine 13900 k works perfectly until new bios witch limited ampers. I don't know where they get 280 amps as basic spec. To have 252 watts on 13900k you need more then 350 amps at peak. Anything less whant give you 252 watts maybe if you set everything manually. Even as people say 307 amps gives only around 200 watts watts.
I've run into this a number of times and the only way I was able to gain some stability is by changing the power setting from 4096W to the one below 253W, I think it was like 146W or something listed as "box cooler" on some BIOS. It prevented it from boosting to the top bin and seemed to help a lot, but you also don't get the advertised clocks.
Thanks for commenting, what board are you using?
@@techwandoUS I've had the best luck with MSI and ASRock boards, Asus and Gigabyte seem to really want to push the envelope (out of the box settings, after tweaking they all seem about the same). I also experienced the stutter issue with 13700K/13900K chips. I was running a 13700KF in my personal machine and got so tired of it I sold it and moved to a 7800X3D.
@@arc00ta I think your spot on about Asus and Gigabyte. It's crazy how people are just starting to talk about this for real now. I felt so crazy last year when I personally discovered these issues.
Good to know. Hope Ryzen is serving you well, probably going to go that route myself next gen.
I just switched from an ASRock Z790-C MB to a Z790 Apex Encore and I am getting alot of instability problems now on my 13900kf. No memory detected on boot, random app crashes etc... I had no issues on the ASRock MB
I had an ASUS board and had some weird issues (with defaults). Swapped it out for an ASRock board and so much better. I'm now staying away from ASUS boards.
Seems to be a pretty popular thing with Asus and Gigabyte boards
I have been feeling this way about Asus boards since 2018 when I really started noticing the quality of their boards both in software and Hardware really falling off you know I have a bunch of Asus boards since 2018 and 90% of them gave me some weird issues
i hope they fix this problem
Both my 12900k and 14900k had such issue. RMA both cpu and now stable… on a z690 dark and z790 apex encore.
Good example of the situation right here ☝️
I have had a 12900k on an EVGA z690 dark and 14900K on a z790 apex encore and both have had stability issue, NO it is not just with unreal engine. This happens in battlefield 2042 optimizing shaders and call of duty optimizing shaders with heavy crashing. Also fails with stress testing. I’ve had to RMA both CPU…. This is an issue and not 1 month later I’m stable with the new CPU, but now we don’t know how many CPUs are affected…
Thank you for sharing this info, a lot of people seem to doubt there's any issue just because what they have in their PC is "fine".
Hopefully the new one serves you well.
@@techwandoUS yeah the new ones work fine. I’m worried for how long now… 10nm doesn’t seem durable
Bios update to its latest version might be needed.
Hum, I have the newer MSI with WIF , DDR5 64 gb 14900kf and an immediate BIOS upgrade (easy to find under support on msi webpage for your MB) and set the fans to smart pwm an curves and you are solid. you must do so much to turn it on.
Other than the fan curve you are running stock with the latest bios?
The motherboards giving more voltage then what is required is a no go. Should be set to specs for the cpu. Then let people ad voltage for over clocking instead of pumping so much extra voltage into the cpu out the gate.
Bought an i9-13900k with Asus ROG STRIX z690-A Gaming Wifi D4 motherboard in march 2023. I got about 2 months of fantastic performance, then started getting instability from about month 2 - 8 with random crashes, blue screens, and various hiccups with no apparent reason. In months 8-13 it has become borderline unusable with all but 1 game (made in 2001, SSBM) as most games crash or cause BSOD on launch, crash multiple times a game, and it's not limited to any intense gaming either now. I can't run Discord reliably, Chrome tabs crash (crashed while writing this comment, and I have become used to copying text I write that is more than a couple sentences so I can resume post-crash) - only this 1 game and Spotify reliably don't cause any issues (for now). Wondering if this means I need a new CPU AND motherboard or what the end result will be. Hilarious coming from two multi-billion dollar companies.
Sorry to hear man, sounds like hell...
Have you reached out to Intel yet? I would definitely RMA the chip, update the bios on your board and throw an undervolt on the next chip if you can. You probably can keep the board, I will say though if you do decide to swap boards, I am extremely happy with my ASRock. Been a bit of an Asus fanboy for years until last year I just said F them and finally ditched Asus for my personal rig and customer builds. I have had way less issues this year too.
Too watts => too amperes => too hot => failing the electronic system. By example, the copper wires are not enough coarse to avoid voltage's falls that affect to all the electronic system.
You know, it's about time this issue get's mainstreamed. I've been having that problem for at least a year and lost A LOT of time trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
On an ASUS motherboard (Z790 APEX) and with the I9 14900K, the only way I got that "out of memory" problem "stable" was to reducing the PCore Clock Multiplier from x57 to x55.
I want to point out that I had the same issues the 13900K and 13900KS.
Reducing your CPU by 2 and test out any Unreal Engine game or with Cinebench.
On my other PC with an 7800X3D, it's been stable ever since I built it, around 5 months ago. It has about the same hardware compared to my Intel rig, same software and about the same drivers. The stability issue is indeed coming from Intel. I've been contemplating using it as my main gaming machine ever since I've been having all this nasty "out of memory" issue and I was close to get rid of my Intel setup. Thankfully the "downclock multiplier" works now and hopefully will until a permanent fix will be done by Intel.
A good thing I do want to point out is the Intel great support and they sent me RMA without an hassle. I did it twice where at the first time, they didn't had a 13900KS CPU to send me so they just refunded me the amount it cost me to buy a new one at Newegg.
As you pointed out, a regular user doesn't have to fiddle around, change parts, reinstall fresh Windows, try different combination of settings and hardware, just to figure out what is going on. You just want to PLUG AND PLAY, without wanting to overclock! But now, the OC is different and just needing a stable system is that new "overclock".
I saw a video from Framechaser last weekend about going in "all-in" with the 14900KS and boy oh boy that CPU doesn't like AIO coolers...
I honestly hope Intel get's their shit together for their 15th Gen and you know, try not to push the CPU past its limits! I just want a powerful but STABLE CPU!
Its funny, because i have the same problem on my ancient i9 7900x. It will just bluescreen at clocks above 4.5, despite everything else being set up properly for all-core 4.8 overclock (that it is absolutely capable of running, windows just refuses to boot by some reason).
What board do you have? I had a lot of issues way back with the x299 platform, ended going through tons of motherboards because of the VRM issues (I was an early adopter) finally I got a really stable board that CPU push that chip.
@@techwandoUS Asrock K6. Doesnt appear to be VRM issue, it pushes all voltages board needs at all loads. Also 2 core 4.8 boost appear to be working. 12H stress test didnt cause any issues on stock 8 4.4 cores and 2 4.8 too.
Appreciate that well written and informative write up. It's good to hear that Intel was quick to turn around the issue with your RMA.
It's a shame to see how unstable the platform has felt, even going back to the 12th gen launch. I remember videos from big channels like Jaystwocents, even at one point reverting back to a different setup because of instability.
I wouldn't be surprised if whatever Intel has next, drops the big little architecture. I think some of the stability issues definitely come from having weaker silicon in the same CPU, all of that has to be bridged together (going back to the tech Yes City theory with the IO driver). As for you switching over to the AMD system and ditching the Intel setup, I have been there mentally too man! personally am waiting for the next release from AMD, or even Intel if they get their crap together. In a way I think that's what they want... forget and move on.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 What code are you getting from the BSODs?
I remember I had this nasty watchdog violation I couldn't solve, and swapped platforms finally after 3 years and 5 motherboards.
I have had my 14900K for 5 months now and at first, I didn't experience any instability issues until months into after having it, even with my Z690 Aorus Master already fully BIOS updated prior to getting the 14900K chip. Had to enable INTEL POR and set PL1 & PL2 states to 125W & 253W in the BIOS to resolve the sudden game and complete system crashes when loading up games like Battlefield 2042, etc. No issues since and now running a lot cooler too, despite the loss in performance.
Good to hear you figured it out. Manufacturers are releasing new bios's this week to hopefully fix some of this
@@techwandoUS I am hoping Z690 Aorus Master gets such a bios update. Their last one was back in December 2023.
14900k basically a 14900 now
@@khoavu1341 Hardly. It still runs games as well as it was before, frames wise.
when i got my 14900k i told in store in germany i want to oc it and the dude was just watching boxes and him found me a cpu with 116 score i was thinking how did him know how to chose good cpu
Back of the day we used to think that they would sneak the binned chips into the SN but honestly I think it's luck of the draw.
What do you mean on the i3 and i5 there were no problems? I have these problems on 13600k and before that on 12600k
That's a perfect example of the situation right there...
I haven't experienced issues with those chips, and you have.
I have owned at least one 12900k, 12900ks, 13900k, 13900ks, 14900k and 14900ks. Some have had issues - the worst was the 14900ks I had 2 and both had to go back - real bad crashes/weirdness in Windows. A 13900ks would error bad on a mixed Prime 95 run so sold that as-is. The 12th gens were both fine. I now have 2 systems with a 13900k in and one system with a 14900k. Both running stable and well although I have done all sorts of changes in BIOS to under clock / volt the chips to keep them from damage from ambitious stock settings.
PS I also did the disable drive parking / C6/C7 C states etc. as well to reduce latency. I left the power profile in balanced mode as latency wasn't a real problem for me and I wanted the clocks to come down a little to improve idle temps.
I think the 14900KS is just the total pinnacle of architecture limitations, add that to manufacturers pushing their "stock" settings to insane levels, it's just a poor mix. Happy to hear you at least got some really good stability in the end.
@@techwandoUS I agree. The 13900k, ks, 14900k and ks are just binned versions of each other with some base and boost levels set ever higher. I think Intel should have stopped at the 13900k and contractually enforced motherboard manufacturers to not go silly but it is a competitive market and I guess they were playing for time. Arrow Lake needs to knock it out of the park for Intel to regain respect for high end consumer chips as its an open goal for AMD at the moment.
man between this and the expo memory issues on Ryzen 7000 i guess did well on staying on zen 3
At this point, hold out... New stuff is certainly coming very soon.
First gen amd always has pretty bad memory issues, 7000 is doing not too bad now.
I am using a 7900x3d with 6000 MT/s ram and it works just fine with expo but I will not go past 6000 MT/s it seems to be the most stable speeds for AMD.
I had this issue I believe already with 7th gen and 10th gen Intel parts.
Which issue specifically, the memory one or stuttering?
I don't know if I am just lucky or something else is at work here like a Windows only issue because I use Fedora Linux (KDE spin) not Windows. I have never had any stability or latency issues you have mentioned in your current and previous videos and I have an i9-13900K with 128 GB DDR5 @4800 MHz (also have an ASUS Z790 Maximus Hero mobo). I had this system for almost two years now all has been well.
Yeah so the problem is the differences between our experiences. I have built customer machines that run better than mine with the same core specs. I totally believe you have a rock solid system too, but I think there is a silicon level issue here that Intel is letting slip by.
Definitely watch the first half hour of that PC world podcast if you want to dive deep into the topic, they had some very logical arguments.
@@techwandoUS Alright makes sense, and I'll definitely check out the podcast.
Glad to see how the mainstream outlets are finally starting to pick up on this whole Intel lagging/crashing phenomena and this has prompted Intel to launch their own investigation into the matter. I think it could be a combination of things here. Intel's could have relaxed restrictions during their binning process, as it's interesting some devs and even some intel reps suggested users to downclock their CPUs to fix crashes. Regardless I do agree that when it comes to stock, it really should "just work" without much fafoing needed from the user. Motherboard manufactures also gotta cut it out with their own tweaks that they label as factory defaults/stock instead of following the Intel spec. Sure it's a few fixes in the bios, but then I think how many people are actually going to be doing this when so many people forget to even enable their XMP.
Asus even have a video on their channel talking about their AI OC feature, encouraging users its a 1-click overclock but without any disclaimer that the user should stress test to validate it. I tested it out on my Apex Encore, and at a quick glance it looked promising but I decided to verify for myself and it wouldn't even pass a few runs of cinebench.
AI OC is garbage, that will fry your CPU.
Hey DannyZ! Yeah, I think it's definitely a combination of all things, and as you said the relaxed nature of Intel and all the companies building boards is starting to expose the cracks in the processors. 13th gen was pushing it for the architecture IMO. I also think 14th Gen was so unnecessary. Skip a generation like we beg game devs to do and work on a better product Intel.
As for the board manufacturers, I use to talk to JJ from Asus occasionally. Last year I made a suggestion to JJ come up with one click undervolt, because nobody these days really wants to add heat into the system and OC, unless they are just having fun with it. He went on then basically call me an idiot for suggesting that, it was sorta unreal. I then decided to completely stop drinking the Asus coolade. The X670E stuff happened shortly after, was so tempting to make some crappy joke haha 😂.
Appreciate the comment Danny.
It can be just me, but for whatever reasons, I felt that, there would be problems with the hybrid architecture, at least for a while before something great really comes out of it. And for the longest time since then, the only Intel PC I got, is either 11th Gen, or the N series with only E-cores. When it comes to computer, I perfer stability over perfromance. (But that is just me.) Now to be clear, I am not blaming intel, but for a new architecture to work great, there's motherboard, Bios, Kernel, software... etc. Having everything all good to go day 1 or even day 100, is nearly impossible. It takes times, a long time...... (remember x86-64 first started?)
Yeah it's been problems for 3 years, and honestly I think they knew some of these issues existed. They blacklisted a friend of the channel Tech Yes City when he made a video about the latency issues over a year back (I made a similar one also). They never solved anything, and I feel as if they tried to make it to the next gen and put a lot of this stuff behind them, but 14th Gen just was so unnecessary. Primarily there to please share holders Id bet, and while squeezing the last drops of juice out of the architecture it exposed many of the already existing flaws the older chips were having pop up much later.
@@techwandoUS I honestly think Intel is really anti customer smart, LOL. They are capable. Given the fact that, with very outdated manufacturing capabilities, they are able to produce reasonably powerful CPU on part with the competitions, and still hold most of the market share. But that said they are also playing with fire. Unless they have something that's going to have that "AMD moment" and completely shock the market soon. It seems that they are buying themselves time to play catch up from the mismanagement from the past decade.
@@iokwong1871 Really well said, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you were spot on with that comment.
No problems here on 13700k with asrock z790 ddr4 lightning.
Nice, seems like ASRock has been pretty good for people
You got da coolest backdrop
I like the ryzen boxes
And the gpus on the wall
Haha thanks man, It's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Occasionally I think of storing everything elsewhere for cleanliness, but then again as I said. Makes a decent backdrop.
my 14900KS isn't stable with MCE on my z790 apex encore... Had to manually tune it. I run 60/46 synced and with an undervolt and it's "stable" but out of the box it seemed to even crash with MCE turned off and just turbo boost running.
Thanks for commenting, good example of why I think people are having a major mix of experiences. The Apex is such a nice board, but probably would need the highest binned, flawless chip to run stock. I occasionally browse topics on the Apex and people almost always have to manually tune that board.
Current gens hardware is trash. Very unfriendly to the common user
@@notaras1985 I definitely agree it's not friendly for people just getting into it.
I wonder what the percentage of the boards in all the cases are ASUS and what are not.
Curious about that myself...
Coincidentally, I'm building a new system on an Asrock z690 Taichi with a 13700k chip. (first build ever) Obviously, I would be very interested on hearing/reading about the specific BIOS settings and tweaks you made to get a stable system. Have you posted somewhere a detailed account of your experiences with this MB/CPU combo?
I haven't actually made posts covering the ASRock board settings. When I first started posting about these issues I had been going between Asus, and Gigabyte. Asus in particular is so aggressive out of the box that stock settings were/are so terrible.
I'd definitely suggest doing core parking in windows first, check your bios and ME driver and see how it feels before going in and doing any big changes in the ASRock bios. You might find it's near stock settings are good. I have the Aqua board, which has some aggressive out of the box voltages, which I immediately lowered.
@@techwandoUS Thank you bro. I'm not exactly swimming in abundance atm but I'd be willing to contribute somehow (do you have a Patreon I could suscribe to) in exchange for consultation & guidance through this process.
@@j_shelby_damnwird Give it a shot, and if you run into any issues shoot me a message techwandousa@gmail.com
@@techwandoUS Will do. Thank you brother I appreciate it.
@@techwandoUSME driver (Intel Management Driver?) isn't that some sort of spyware? sorry I'm a total noob, (recovering Apple user) 😅
What are the core temps when in use for you? You should keep the core temp under 80 degrees at all times. Stability is more depended on the cooling specially when oced. Ive made a bunch of 12th gen pcs and no one ever came back because of crashes or problems. I have oced the cpu on all of them. And i tell them to come back if anything weird happens. Maybe also check the vrm mosfets temps while in use.
In my personal rig, I run two 360s EK Slims with a bitspower DDC/distro just for the CPU. Stays around 70-73c most of the time under heavy use case scenarios at stock settings, and about 63-65ish with an undervolt. If I leave it stock and blast it with prime95 it will get to 85-90 eventually when the water normalizes, but I never run it like that. I have the Inwin Tou 2.0 and even made a new acrylic front panel to increase airflow.
@@techwandoUS I had one customer who kept coming back because of a wifi usb stick he had plugged in at home. Pc wouldn't even boot with it half the time at one point. But naturally every time he dropped the pc off it was without the stick and it would work perfectly again. So it can be something small.
@@mealot7613 Actually had a very similar thing once also. Are you just like a local seller in your area?
@@techwandoUS Got a repair shop for desktops, laptops, phones and tablets and i offer custom build desktops. The custom builds are a leftover from the virus as we had less repairs.
@@mealot7613 Nice man, a repair shop is no easy job.
Degrading your chip... here I am with my 3930K overclocked to 4.6GHz since 2011.
Haha dude, I absolutely love that chip! (3930k) One day I had this messed up x79 board I got in a trade. I threw a new PC together without checking the BIOS and just let it post to Windows and the 3930k was at 5.6 GHz. I was actually using Windows for a good 20 to 30 minutes before the system ramped up like insane and I noticed it was sitting at 65c idle
@@techwandoUS Lol. Yeah, it was (still kinda is) a good chip. It's tough to upgrade these days. I don't play the most recent blockbuster games, so I don't really need a new graphics card (GTX 1080 Ti here). I have a mini-PC with Windows 11, and I don't want to upgrade to it from Windows 10 on my main PC, so no need to update my CPU/Motherboard/RAM. It's just fun watching different channels mess around with the latest tech without having to do it myself. I have been tinkering with the idea of one day putting an overclockable SFF PC in my portable electric freezer/fridge to keep it cooled, and see how that goes. Some day... some day.
@EbonKim honestly it's still a viable system for most of the good games. New stuffs hard to run but most of it ain't too good tbh. A few titles are alright but not worth a $2500 PC imo. I always love hearing about people who hold onto hardware for long term. We kinda enjoy the backwards of things.
I don't really trust Intel these days I think their quality control and assurance is sub par lately and should be better.
13700k on Asus Rog Strix Z690-F @stock. no issues here
Happy to hear that, latest bios as well?
I can confirm my 12900K with a z690 Dark and 14900K with a z790 Apex encore had issues, after the RMA for both CPU I am stable. Stability was so bad with battlefield 2042 optimizing shader. So max CPU load = failure with these bad batches.....
I have a 12700k and it took me months to get it stable to run vr. Problem is it doesn't perform much better then my old 6700k. Wich is crazy for the price I paid to build this system. I can't run 4 sticks of ram and I had to undervolt them to just get two sticks running stable. I'm switching to ryzen for my next pc and I have been on intel for a long time. I just don't trust them anymore now. I cannot afford to take risks when spending 400 dollars on one cpu. Plus it ruined my iracing experience. Lots and lots of crashes for months.
Terrible to hear, considering Intel was once the stability king. I haven't had AMD in my personal system since AM4 but I am right there with you. 9000 stuff looks pretty good. I'd wait for the 3D options if you are going to switch.
What motherboard are you running currently?
@@techwandoUS I am running the gigabyte z690 gaming ax v1
Не проще ли сидеть на 10900 и не испытывать все эти проблемы?
The main issue is that 13 and 14th gen are just clocked to high at to much voltage and intel can blame vendors all it likes but I bet they specd it this way to give the impression that their closer to AMD than they are. 5% IPC uplift between 12900k and 14900k at the same clocks....
Yeah they went with the more power approach until the architecture just couldn't take it anymore, and the cracks are showing.
@@techwandoUS To be honest I loved the 12'th gen, Golden Cove was Intel's way to pass their voltage wall on the 9900KS, having these little cores hold down the OS and have performance cores where it matters like in Games and in Productivity is really smart and truly was a master stroke on their part. Now you need less power since you have smaller E cores and you only need the sweet spot of P cores to extract the gaming performance you want. It's just ashame they didn't go the Cache route. If they made an I7 but utlized the i9 die size for extra L3 L2 and L1 I bet they would come closer than what they are. Especially if they layer this closer to the cores themselves
I had issues in the past.Now i am using aoa and had no more issues.
Aoa?
@@techwandoUS Atlas of Anatomy ha ha.
@@theodorathanasiadis6629 lol, maybe AIO?
I have ssd dissapearing issues with z690/z790 platform. I tried 12900k, 13900k, 14900k and 14900ks. Tried Z790 strix d4 and z790 apex. Same issue. Ssd just randomly dissapears
That's interesting, is it the same SSD over and over, or a bunch of different SSDS?
I have seen the extremely slow explorer stuff quite a few times, almost acts as if nothing is there, but then pops back up.
At one point I have rmad literally everything. I rmad 3 of my ssds . All of them brand new. Same issue. I would open up a game and then it would crash saying the ssd doesn’t exist even though I just opened up the game a few minutes ago and was running fine. You can look up “z690/z790 ssd disappearing”. It’s actually common. I had to get rid of my whole system. Wasn’t worth keeeping an unstable system that has ssd dissapearing issue. If you found any solutions lmk. I tried evrything… updating drivers, rmaing everything. Different asus boards etc
My reply didn’t go through. I rmad everything every part. Got 3 new ssds and they were all same. Open up a game and then all of a sudden crash saying the ssd doesn’t exist. You can see “z690 or z790 ssd dissapearing issue” online
@@techwandoUS My reply didn’t go through. I rmad everything every part. Got 3 new ssds and they were all same. Open up a game and then all of a sudden crash saying the ssd doesn’t exist. You can Google“z690 or z790 ssd dissapearing issue” online
My reply didn’t go through. I rmad everything every part. Got 3 new ssds and they were all same. Open up a game and then all of a sudden crash saying the ssd doesn’t exist. You can see “z690 or z790 ssd dissapearing issue” online
I bought i5 12600 non K version 6 big P cores no ecore , 16G X 2 3200M/T DDR4 , STRIX Z790-A gaming wifi D4 motherboard (upgraded from AORUS B660 MASTER as it was broken when I uninstalled my old GPU ), TUF RTX 4080 SUPER GPU . No latency problems , runs latencymon and 100% low latency . I don't trust hybrid P core and E core , and I am right .
Kinda. As of now E-cores are pointless overcomplication of entire processor, intel just put them in but forgot literally every other step of making it a useful feature.
i have my motherboard apex encor from asus im not having this problem due i have manual oc
That's quite a board too, what voltages are you running?
@@techwandoUS 1.45
@@itscoldcoldwinter solid
intel rubber stamped the MB designs and this is intels fault
Windows 11 parks a lot of cores, causing latency use upark
Yeah it works for some systems not all. Watch the Erockontech video. A bunch of people tried to save his system. Nothing helped. For me personally it worked better after, but did not completely solve mouse lag. Ultimately rebuilt in with a different z690 instead of the z790 and I saw a good 50% improvement after spending hours tweaking the BIOS and everything in Windows.
easy solution cpu 5,1 ghz until mitigation...
Pre visoke so cene.
I bought a 14900k had nothing but problems. intel WILL NOT RMA they have been making excuses for 2 months now so i said fuck em and bought another. having similar but not as many problems with the 2nd one. they both where flawless in the beginning.
How long till you ran into issues?
@@techwandoUS first cpu ran good for 2 months unlimited pl1 and pl2, 2nd cpu a few days after limiting pl1 and pl2 to 253 and amps to between 307 and 400 and other bios tweaks. Motherboard is a rog strix z790 gaming wifi-a ram 32gig t-force 7800 and 48gig t-force 7200. It seems unreal games are the big problem as well as battlefield 2042. I can run ycruncher, prime95, occt, cinebench and have no issues then i start an unreal game and ctd of full freeze either on startup or randomly ingame.
ON my 13600k and my as rock motherboard is good now. Out of box asrock was pushing way past power limits like 250watts. This was with just memory overclocking xmp profiles. After a few bios updates asrock pushed a bios update that fixed the issue for now . But well see! 💚
Let me know how the new bios goes