Stormlit: Investiture on Roshar
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2019
- Of all the planets in the Cosmere, Roshar has been shaped by investiture from the very beginning, and life on this planet is still steeped in power.
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Stories referenced: The Stormlight Archive - Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, Edgedancer, Oathbringer
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Ben McSweeney does the official art from Shallan's notebooks. His website is here: www.inkthinker.net/
For more info of life on Roshar, Tor has pretty great "Field Guide" that you can see here: www.tor.com/2013/06/12/the-ec... 
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“Like Kaladin to depression” 😂😂😂
Maybe Kaladin is the spren of depression...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There are some jokes I'm particularly proud of. This is one of them.
Read And Find Out to be fair im surprised kaladin hasn’t literally created depression spren from his sheer inability to cope with his problems and past
This joke KILLED me
Well, Oathbringer did explain why “normal” plant and animal life exists in Shinovar, though not why the location itself exists the way it does.
Right. This was a theory about the actual creation of the continent.
Oathbringer also explain why fucc moash
@@akuma6135 Yeah, fuck that guy!
As someone who is currently playing in a DnD style game across the cosmere I appreciate this.
That's amazing! Set on a specific world?
Wow, I didn't realize how terrifying Roshar was. Thanks RAFO.
Third most dangerous planet in the Cosmere!
I personaly like scadrial because of the not only complexity but also because it is so unique because who other than Sanderson would thing of gaining "magic powers" from swallowing metals
I also like roshar's magic system as well as AonDor
Mistborn was my first exposure to Sanderson, so the Scadrian magics have a special place in my heart.
Have you seen the video I did on the Knights Radiant?
Personally, I find the Scadrian magic systems the most interesting, especially Hemalurgy because of its Cosmere-wide significance!
Oh yeah, the implications of Scadrian magic on the rest of the Cosmere is huge. And there's a lot to be learned about how Investiture in general functions by looking at Scadrial as a case study.
Ive only watched two of your videos, and you've already earned a subscription. Love your enthusiasm. We need more people like you bringing the cosmere to life. Its too big for even Sanderson to do alone.
Thank you! I'll keep doing my part!
Rosharan ecology has been one of the most fascinating examples I've come across in fantasy. I love that everything is crab.
Carcinisation baby!
6:09 - 6:21 that got me with the guard down.
Wha-bam! The ol' one two punch of sincere info and painfully real humor.
@@TheCosmerenaut do you know whats is going to be ultra fun in mistborn 3rd or 4th era?.....
Scadrial shard sucesion
because you know... everybody goes crazy with a shard.
Once we get to full on Shard fights, it'll be nuts.
Thanks for making me laugh!!! You got great fun personality, and loads of good info on the bookd... Keep making the videos, I'll be watching...
Thank you! What was your favorite part?
I love these deep dives. Well done, sir.
Thank you!
Great video! I just stumbled across your channel a few days ago and binge watched all of the videos. Instant subscriber. Keep up the great work!!!
Thank you!
Word of Brandon states that Rosharan plant life is plant life and not fauna. But you are right about the coral reefs thing, it was confirmed by Isaac (the art guy) that reefs were the theme that Roshar is based off of.
I remember seeing that WoB, that's right! It was just such a juicy extrapolation that I couldn't resist the real-world comparison.
Roshar is probably the coolest fictional world ever created
So alien and yet so understandable at the same time. It's amazing.
“Thanks hurricane from hell!” Lol
It puts in work!
I love how angry he looks in that picture
Grrr arrgh.
@@TheCosmerenaut lol ikr
Thank you Brandon, Never Stop! LOLZ
For real!
Where has this channel been hiding? Subscribed now, binge watching everything.
I've just been here, I promise!
I suspect there are 16 types of spren one could bond with, one for each shard.
Depends on how you qualify bonds. Do Radiants bond with the minor spren that make up shardplate? What about musicspren and ryshadium? And all the different singer forms?
I likes them all. Roshar is probably my favorite. But I think Sel is really cool because of how there are seemingly completely unrelated magic systems on the same planet.
Definitely. All the different ways Investiture can be accessed on Sel is going to be really fun to dig into.
Well I wouldn't call them unrelated since they're all from the same source
Love your videos! Thanks!
Thank you! I'll keep making them!
At last! Another video! Rejoice!
Sorry it took so long! Enjoy!
Personally I believe that the luck spren grant the surge of gravitation at a very basic and instinctive level to the great shells and the sky eels. Can you look at Sel as I feel like you could theorise a whole ton about the world and it's magic systems.
I'm really excited to dig in to what's going on on Sel!
And here we are, 2022… 🤷♀️😂
Maybe all the ocean sediment that was left on the land once it was raised up was blown to and accumulated in Shinovar by the highstorm. The leeward edge of things make great places for that. That sediment formed the basis for the soil.
Entirely possible. I'm still a bit confused as to how the beaches on the eastern edge of the continent still have sand though.
Wow, so impressed with your channel. Keep up the good work. it's by far the best Cosmere stuff videos I've seen.
Thanks! I should have another video out soon!
I love how you work in so many subtle little puns/nods like Calcifer at 05:58. Fantastic content man!
Thanks! :D
Sel would be really fun for you to visit. It has so much magic, you would have to make a really long video. Even better.
Haha, I'm trying to keep them shorter than 10 minutes, so if I dig too much I'll probably split it in two.
Which book is Sel from
I really like your stuff. I wish you posted more often.
Thank you! I'm working on getting more consistent with posting, and I should have my next video out by the end of the week.
love that you added in some humming-chickens into your descriptions!
We strive for equal representation of chickens in this household.
‘Kaladin to depression’😂😂😂
There are some jokes in my videos that I'm quite proud of. This is one of them.
Super like superlove awesome awesome awesome! I am a huge fractal fan AND a Brandon Sanderson fan! Oh and geology. Yay!
Well dang, this video was right up your alley! Glad you superloved it!
We actually know the Spren the Bondsmiths. They are broadly called Godspren, includes Stormfather, Nightwatcher and the Sibling.
We know the Stormfather, we suspect the Nightwatcher, and we have no idea who the Sibling is.
Dude thanks for a great video. helps me understand it. and you're funny as hell
Thanks! I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one laughing at my jokes.
Kaladin to depretion... Priceless xD
Thanks! I think it's a solid Tien out of ten.
Hey man! Huge fan, great to see you doing another video. Your analysis and your production value rival each other for the best element. I like how your humor is seamlessly integrated into academic overview.
Just to nitpick a tiny bit about the erosion thing... to the... west, I'm sure you'll find? If the highstorm is more powerful, and thus erodes more, on the east, while pushing crem along to the west, the continent will slowly creep west. I believe.
Hope the little tyke is doing well! That was an adorable cameo.
If my nitpicking hasn't bugged you too much, I like Scadrial the best, myself.
Thanks! I may be totally wrong, but the way I was envisioning the play between erosion and crem buildup led me to think the continent would be moving closer to the Origin, rather than away. Stone is eroded, often with big chunks getting torn off and thrown west, with crem accumulating mostly on the eastern side of things, with sheltered western faces getting hardly any crem buildup at all. Macroscopically, this would slowly shift the continent eastward.
@@TheCosmerenaut Well, agree to disagree, then. I don't think that's what happens, in either the microcosm or the planet. As you yourself said, individual rocks are torn off and flung west. The crem, in contrast, isn't part of the furious storm, it comes in the riddens, and falls over things more-or-less evenly. I don't think it's ever said in the book that the east gets more of it, or that the stormward side of rocks tend to catch more crem, it's more things like how you'd expect water to flow down, like pipes or basements.
It's possible I'm just remembering wrong, however.
Yeah, I'd have to go back and check Oathbringer to see if the descriptions of Narak mention crem thicknesses. The only WoB I was able to find isn't very clear (wob.coppermind.net/events/161/#e4422). The Coppermind article on Roshar supports an eastern-shifting continent, but I understand that that's edited by fans and therefore isn't canon.
@@TheCosmerenaut What I don't get is how the western edge could possibly be getting weathered, since it doesn't face the fury of a Highstorm. So even if crem does build up more on the east, that would just mean the continent was stretching, keeping its western border and advancing the eastern one, not that the western one was being worn away.
Going over the WoB you linked: "The continent actually moves as it gets weathered on the east and gets pushed that direction over millennia of time." So... yeah, he is specifically saying that it's the eastern edge that's getting weathered. I can see how it's confusing cuz he says "in that direction" but I am still pretty sure he meant, "The eastern edge is getting weathered, so that determines the direction of the shift." The part where it's the eastern edge getting "weathered" is pretty concrete.
You raise some pretty good points. Are you on the 17th Shard? I've posted this in the Cosmere Q&A section to get some more input: www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/83744-roshar-erosion-drift/
Very interesting analysis!
Though I'd like to know how did you come across all those kind of various data?
Thank you!
Most of the info I pull from the books themselves, though I do rely heavily on Brandon's interviews, Q&A sessions, and release party notes to flesh things out.
love the scripts, never change steve
I mean, I'll probably change a little bit, but only in good ways!
I always thought the greatshells were bonded with gravity spren. Would make more sense.
They absolutely are! Shallan sees them leave the dead chasmfiend in WoR.
3:23 One of the main differences between plants and animals is photosynthesis. Plants can, animals can’t. So do the “plants” on Roshar photosynthesize?
Ummm... probably? But maybe not; they could potentially get everything from highstorms. But probably.
this deserves more views
I agree.
Lol ur funny. Great vids!
Thank you! :D
Would love to see a video on Kelsier and what do you think he's up to right now.
General ruckus. Chicanery. Shenanigans.
1. Dalinar considers earthquakes as a reason for the destruction he sees. Roshar has quakes even without plate tectonics, like our Moon for example.
2. Granite is mentioned. It is formed out of magma, not by sedimentation. Roshar must have at least have had some volcanism and bedrock.. Like Mars.
1. That's true, but those earthquakes don't deposit magma on the surface, so they're not the result of tectonic movement, but likely from the tidal forces of Roshar's three moons (which were put in place artificially and are in unstable orbits, which would put some weird stresses on the planet).
2. Also, you're exactly right! The planet itself isn't just a giant crem ball. There are even active metal and gemstone mines on Roshar. That material is just more difficult to get to, because of the crem buildup.
wob.coppermind.net/events/80/#e5294
@@TheCosmerenaut That brings out a new question to me (just finished reading Oathbringer): Did soulcasting to those super rare (to Roshar) metals like bronze was ever done before humans arrived to the planet with samples of them? Looking forward to watch more of your videos, I was pretty sure shardplates were nanotechnology, not another type of spren manifestations.
I'm not sure it would have been necessary. Humans arrived on Roshar way back in early pre-history, so I don't think there would have been need of any mining or metalworking, or even if they had the capability or willingness to soulcast at that point.
@@YurievOlmosTalenat mentions in WoR that the Heralds taught humans to work bronze after each desolation, so it must be fairly common there.
Question :In which of the stormlight archive book was the creation of the planet explained?
That was pure conjecture on my part.
Roshar: EVERYTHING IS LOBSTER!
Now we just need to find an EVERYTHING IS BUTTER planet.
spoiler alert: shinovar was probably the first place humans lived on roshar, since they are not the natives. Their home planet was destroyed so they migrated. The crabpeople, or parshendi, are the original inhabitants.
Correct. But which came first, the nation or the inhabitants?
Ahhh so is Shinovar the place from the story illusion thing Shallon tells?
Maybe. Probably. But maybe.
Oh pls update. Congrats on the new cremling
Thanks! Yeah, we know a lot more now. I'll add it to the list!
8:47 oh those poor ducks
No animals were harmed in the making of this video. At least directly.
I'd like to think that shinovar happened to be a protected area from its creation, and so it was the place humans decided to settle when they showed up, bringing their strange "dead" plants and weak animals with them, and establishing more ~earth-like conditions there than anywhere else on Roshar.
That totally make sense. We might actually learn what happened in the next few books!
About Shinovar?
@@TheCosmerenaut After reading RoW I got the impression that the Dawnsingers created Shinovar as a refuge for humans after they fled Ashyn. Humans being humans, decided to conquer the rest of the continent and genocide the native population. Spren don't even exist in Shinovar almost confirming that it was artificially made with the mountains protecting it/ blocking the natural investiture from highstorms. Afterall the dawnsingers could shape stone like Stonewards and Venli. They were probably working with the help of Honor before Obium splintered him. It might have been as simple as them raising the mountain chain to protect an already existing area, and thus cutting it off from the rest of the world for the most part. Book 5 will almost certainly clarify this with Szeth going there for his Oath
Oh yeah, I'm super excited to actually get deeper information about the Shin.
@@TheCosmerenaut Nodoubt about that, and it is all bit certain we will with Szeth and kaladin going there book 5
what investiture would you like to have? id like Feruchemy, specifically if I can use it for speed. imagine infinite speed if you go on a treadmill after using the metalmind then you use it again
Feruchemical bronze. I could get so much done if I never had to sleep!
Scadrial I think is most interesting due to the applications of magic to other people. That is, you can give Scadrian magic to people of other planets.
I will say though, Taldane might make the best video due to all the visual references available.
I think Taldain would contrast Roshar really well; one ocean planet and one desert planet, both fundamentally shaped by Investiture.
Read And Find Out I also think people are the least familiar with Taldane, given it’s an incomplete story so far.
That's true. Have you read the prose version of White Sand?
Read And Find Out only what was available in Arcanum Unbounded.
If you sign up for Brandon's newsletter on his website, they should send you a copy of the original prose version. There are a few changes from the graphic novel, so it's not technically canon, but it's still really good!
Quite a few reaches
Crafting theories at the bleeding edge of exploration. It's why we've got to Read and Find Out.
The most interesting form of natural bondings in roshar is the pershandi. And you didn't say a word about them!
Oh have I got some theories about the Parshendi! But I thought they might be a little spoilery for a planet overview video, so I kept them out.
I would go even further regarding your Roshar creation theory. Here goes:
1. Roshar is a fractal that, in your shown animation, starts small and then spreads outwards
2. Roshar presumably moves across the globe slowly, as the stormward side erodes and the leeward side gets built up by crem
3. Roshar likely got raised up from the ocean
From these three, I conclude that the highstorm predates Roshar. It got created, and then repeatedly rained crem down unto the same spot, until the crem accumulated to form a tiny landmass in the shape the very beginning of the fractal progression shown in this video. And, as crem kept raining unto the earth, the fractal landmass evolved and changed shape over milennia, matching the progressing fractal, while the very first intelligent life came from the seas and started living on the newfound land. As such, the current Roshar does not match ancient Roshar in shape; rather, compared to the very origin of Roshar (the continent), this Roshar is way bigger, representing a specific, later state of the fractal, and situated to the west of where it sprang up from the seas.
Interesting! Totally possible, though Brandon has specifically said that Adonalsium created the continent. That could have been done by a similar process to what you describe though!
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Murdering me is off the table.
Since most Rosharans animals are crustacean like, I have my theory regarding the deep ones on first of the sun. Khriss mentions on the Drominad starchart that all over the cosmere there can appear random pools of raw investiture that create a perpendicularity anywhere anytime and then she continues saying the perpendicularity in First of the Sun is very dangerous and I believe the perpendicularity is on the bottom of the sea and that the deep ones are chasmfiends that by coincidence they traveled by a perpendicularity on Roshar and ended up on Drominad.
That's an interesting theory! I always just figured the pool on Patji was the perpendicularity, and it's super dangerous simply because it's on Patji.
@@TheCosmerenaut Yes it could be but I think that a Radiant or a Mistborn could handle everything on Patji with no trouble.
Probably true, but Khriss isn't either of those. For the vast majority of inhabitants of the Cosmere, I think arrival on Patji would be a death sentence.
so who do you think is gonna bond with the nightwatcher also wasn’t odium the one who brought shinovar with him and the humans i thought that was like pretty explicit
I don't think we've necessarily met the individual who'll bond either of the two siblings, but knowing Brandon it'll seem obvious once we get to it. And as far as I can tell, the humans were given Shinovar by the singers and not Odium, but we just don't have all the information at this point.
Read And Find Out where would the singer’s get earth and grass from their world is only rocks shinovar was where the humans first arrived the singer’s only taught them how to survive in the world of rocks and sea monsters who live on the rocks they also i think have trees in shinovar those had to have come from the humans original world and since odium was the one who appears to be one of the few being capable of doing something as ridiculous as transporting an entire area of land across the cognitive realm to reach another world he’s a shard capable of overpowering other shards easily so it seems like he’s the only one we know who could have done that unless you wanna say that the humans basically used investiture to move a hunk of land off a continent
It's entirely possible that it was Odium, but at this point we just don't know. Shinovar could also simply be the result of the natural evolution of the planet - highstorms can't reach it, so the plant life there wouldn't need to develop strategies to survive them, soil wouldn't be blown away, and any other plants or animals that came with humanity would be able to thrive there. If it existed before humanity's arrival, the singers wouldn't really have any settlements there because of the lack of spren, so it would have been a natural place for them to give to these strange newcomers.
Read And Find Out this could go on forever just like trying to figure out what hoid is planning to do with all the different types of investiture he’s gathering and collecting or what secrets he’ll tell his spren that will probably be Brandon’s indirect way of informing our understanding of hoid’s character and past
Yeah, I'm sure we'll get it eventually. Maybe.
My favorite system is AonDor. Is basically programming code for the universe. Think of all the aplications.
AonDor is definitely fascinating. The amount of specificity users can get is incredible, especially compared to systems like Allomancy. However, the regional limits are pretty ... limiting.
@@TheCosmerenaut But, what if you used Hemalurgy to transfer AonDor to someone else? And you dont need to access the Dor because investiture can be converted into any form. There best use of Cosmere magic.
Get on it Hoid.
That would probably require some SERIOUS hacking.
Alright, so two things:
1) Bondsmiths can have three different spren. The Stormfather. The Nightwatcher. and something else.
2) Shinovar was made by the god (shard) that brought humanity to roshar, and was not originally soil and grass, nor made by the original god.
Didn't odium bring humanity to roshar? And was it confirmed that the nightwatcher is a bondsmith spren?
@@elazarsinger4187 1) I don't think so, it's nearly 75% confirmed to have been Odium, but there is enough vagueness that it could have a surprise reveal that it was Honor.
2) The stormfather tells Dalinar that he met his sister with cultivation. He refers to all spren as children except for the other two bondsmith, the nightwatcher, and the one that still needs to rest.
@@n122333 that makes sense. Also I think Sanderson has another reveal up his sleeve. Because in the places dalinar sees in his visions for some reason they can't seem to find them in modern roshar. They are places they have never heard of, or(in oathbringer) when she is brought into a vision she can't figure out where they are. I suspect Brandon is building up to something but I can't figure out what.
1) True. The Stormfather, the Nightwatcher (probably), and the Sibling.
2) I didn't think it was confirmed that Shinovar was made by a shard rather than Adonalsium itself, but that's definitely a possibility.
On your theory, good idea, but I disagree. I believe that, like you said, Creation (not even going to try and spell his name) created Roshar from the ground up and the soil was eroded by the highstorms. Honer a Cultivation came along and helped the life that Creation made thrive. Do to proximity to Cultivation, the plants developed some level of sentience.
It really is nice though to hear other people's theories!
That's the fun thing about these books: we don't know exactly what happened!
My theory is a stretch but believe Shinovar is a part of another planet that was destroyed by the Knights Radiant after their powers grew too great.
I think it crashed into the highstorm on impact causing it to slow then slammed up against the Eastern side of Roshar.
Also Urithiru is a spaceship... Basically a soulcast craft-world.
Only trouble with that theory is we know they came from Ashyn, which still exists with human society on it, so it can't have been THAT cataclysmic. I can totally get behind an Urithiru spaceship though.
@@TheCosmerenaut unless Sanderson is pullin a fast one on us.
@@TheCosmerenaut is this information from Arcanum Unbounded?
It's at least in this WoB: wob.coppermind.net/events/316/#e9464
I really wanted "safe hand" to be hiding a fiddler crab (hand) claw
That's a good joke. Next time!
@@TheCosmerenaut humbled
Sprens are like Aons
*Seons
How much of your info are you getting from "words of Brandon"?
Most of my information I pull from the books themselves, though I do rely heavily on WoBs for when I go diving into theory and explanation.
@@TheCosmerenaut How do you feel about Brandon releasing so much information not in book form. I know this probably isn't going to be the popular opinion but I'm not a big fan of it. I feel like I'm missing out on so much. Nevertheless, thanks for another great video. I always learn something new when I watch.
Brax W I can understand that but in book a lot of this would end up as boring exposition
It definitely requires more research and dedication if you want to give it the inner workings of his universe, but if you're just here for the great stories, I think it's fine.
@@TheCosmerenaut where do you find this information? I would love to get into the inner workings, but I don't know where the information is
Are you wearing a custom Harry Vs. Voldemort tee-shirt? If so please tell me how I can acquire!!
It's actually a Harry Potter/Doctor Who shirt that says Priori IncanFandom which 000 my boss. I think it came from Tee Fury or something?
@@TheCosmerenaut Even more awesome!! Also your videos are excellent. Been sharing with my fellow Sanderson fans
Thanks!
Have to say this, Game Of Thrones or A Song of Ice and Fire has more than 7 nations lol
Wikipedia, you failed me!
There are more than seven kingdoms/countries in Game of Thrones. It's just that there were seven major kingdoms when the Targaryens took over.
Ok, cool! Song of Ice and Fire is still on my list to read, so I knew I was treading dangerous waters including it. Thank you!
Look at all those CHICKENS!
Ba-KAWK!!!
So i think its
Truthwatchers- mist spren
Stonewards- peak spren
*Spoilers
Bondsmiths- stormfather, nightwatcher, sibling
Yup, we've learned a whole lot since I made this video. Probably time for an update.
Chickens.
"Look at all those chickens!"
How's life going dude? Your wife recently had a child, how's that going? What books have you been reading?
It's been a little crazy. We've had some weird medical things pop up that have taken a lot of my time; that's why I haven't had a video for a while. The baby's good, almost a year old now! And I'm finally working my way through Wheel of Time, currently on book 7.
It would get pretty spoiler heavy, but I think a lot of your explanations would make more sense if you connected them with characters and events from the books more concretely. You mention a stray character here and there, but don't connect them with your explanations in any meaningful way, instead utilizing them for jokes.
It's not bad, I like your videos, it's just easy to get lost while listening, and I've read the series.
That's fair. I intended these to be as spoiler free as I could get, giving general overviews rather than specific applications. Thanks for the feedback!