I think the best bet is to put a level4 on top (in front) of a steel plate and have soft armor under that and have someone else wearing it when hit. Best to be on a couch somewhere relaxing
I started out invisible in BDU’s then we went to the ACU’s and armor became extremely important as it was designed to blend well with gravel and some generals couch.
@@nemoexnuqual3643 I never wore ACUs, but I’ve heard a lot of negative things about them. I do remember a picture that someone took, I’m assuming that it was real, where a guy was laying on an old couch wearing ACUs and blended in perfectly.
Would love to see something like a III+ get shot with a 30-06 AP but at a more realistic distance (something like 150-200yds) to see if it can stop it. A round like that is most likely to be on a hunting rifle. I doubt Bubba will be clearing a room with a rifle with a 26" barrel and a 15× scope shooting one of these rounds.
Looks like for a Special Threat plate they had to significantly make it thicker compared to other ST plates in order to stop M80 ball. Especially the NIJ rated one which is 1.5" thick.
In reality, the hghest likelyhood threat anyone would face would be M855 193 and M80 which is what makes regular level 3 iffy. It's good to see a good option under level 4 weights and not breaking the bank.
I like to see him shoot against a solid packer so the plate isn't giving so much. Like a big block of clay thats molded to fit the armor. More like body. When the plate can move and give , it doesn't give a true representation of how well the armor actually works or doesn't work.
This is very true. I'd even offer to build the box I use for Mike, but I'm not sure he's able to lift stuff like that as it would be approaching 100 lbs with clay. His dirt box is fine for a medium, but he really needs to strap the plates down because he's not getting maximum energy transfer aka worst case. Menards has straps for pretty cheap.
@@williammason8673 am I trolling though? In all seriousness Mike’s and IRV8888’s data points are probably the only other 2 creators who I watch for armor tests. If Mike had a box like mine it would help validate his results even more.
@EBH I wish all hard plate reviews had a quality iiia soft panel behind the hard plate. I couldn't care less about back face deformation! What I want to know is the bullet stopping power of a soft panel behind a hard plate ... if the round makes it through the hard plate!
@@nutsnfancy I wouldn't have much confidence in the IIIA stopping a round that cleanly punched through the plate. Some plates are sold to achieve a certain level "ICW" in conjunction with soft armor, but most people buying plates these days seem to use them alone in carriers. Personally I think it makes sense to use any plate along with soft armor to cover more area at least from handgun rounds or fragments. You don't realize how little anatomical real estate a 10x12 plate covers until you put one on.
Looks like LAPG Lvl 3 still wins on price, and 30-06 black tip stopping, but heavier & single curve. Botach 3+ wins on weight, multi-curve, holding together better (lost less ceramic), and appears to have less backface deformation. With 20% Mr.G&G coupon, these are price competitive with LAPG at $111.00. Though, LAPG did an $85/plate free shipping deal which was an insane value.
@@CarolinaNightHunter I wouldn’t be surprised, but they are built to different specs. LAPG lvl 3 is single curve, uses Alumina tiles and performs like 3+. Botach 3+ is multicurve and uses silicon carbide tiles.
The ceramic is what stops the initial shock of the bullet and hopefully breaks the bullet to pieces. The plastic slows it down and the heat from the bullet makes it liquefied briefly, and captures it. The reason why you don't wear it backwards, cause nothing breaks up the bullet except the person who wore it backwards as it smashes in to his Thorasic cavity.....and dies.
Thank you, just ordered a 3+ shield, level 4 front, rear, and side plates, and 5 level 3+ 10x12’s, 2 new carrier vests, and a 3+ backpack plate from them after watching this.
i want one of the ruger made 1895 sbl in 45-70 but i think the trapper would work better for me and one of those ranger point precision brakes i say order all the plates you can afford at one time. botach for me was never a fast shipper, and fuel shortages plus order volume...if you think youre gonna want it, youre definitely going to need it and extra. the 3a soft plates with cheap carrier for 99 bucks i just wish i bought a dozen the first time. great gift, easy sale to anyone who sees it, and you want multiples anyways
I think BoTach has a new distribution center. I ordered a carrier in 21 and it took two months from China, I ordered a new plate in 23 and had it in a week from Nevada.
Another solid vid, but the NIJ battlesteel armor IS NOT the same. All of its thicker by half an inch or so vs non-NIJ, due to what appears to be a newtonian foam insert after base level 3/3+ plate and then a few additional layers of soft panels behind the foam -- the purpose of these layers is primarily to reduce backface deformation to w/in NIJ specs (non-NIJ thin panels simply can't meet that spec even if they stop penetration) but that add'l material may also increase ballistic protection. At one point one of the battlesteel NIJ options on botach showed a cutaway graphic showing the foam and add'l soft armor layers... Personally, I add level 3a soft armor and a trauma pad (some botach level 3a have had in the past integral foam in them even though not advertised) behind my non-NIJ 3+ battlesteel plates (usually run 11x14 soft and 10x12 hard for carriers that allow), which allows for easy removal if not needed, instead of transferring armor between various carriers... None of the level 3a+ soft armor I've ordered from Botach has had any foam in them however.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 But completely unsubstantiated in the industry of real world performance. Their lab testing shows those 3+ plates stopping M855 with 40+mm of backface. M80 ball is going to hurt.
I see these for sale on like Optics Planet and similar sites. A surplus store near me in Tx, sells them, but told me it was LEO sale only. From then on assumed it was the case, but seeing if these are able for a civilian to just purchase?
Dear Mike, THANK YOU!!!!! My sister and I have very little money left over at the end of the day and it's far worse under this administration, 🇺🇸FJB, so we've been unable to afford plates for the carriers we bought last year. We still won't be able to buy two sets front and back but these plates are at least something we can buy a plate now and maybe another one a couple months later and so on. I had written off the chance to get plates until seeing your video. Much thanks!!
That's freakin sweet definitely going to pick up a set... I've been looking for something lightweight but wanted something that could stand up against common 223/556 or 7.62×39 the 308 is a bonus. I honestly thought the 45-70 was going through you'd definitely feel that the next day.... LOL Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
If 5.56 get stopped from a 16" and above legth barrel so will .308 and 45-70. Backface deformation is quite another matter entirely with those bigger calibers but I would never be impressed if a plate stopped .308 or 45-70. It's 5.56 from longer barrels that will defeat your armor. 30-06 black tip won't go through lv4 but 5.56 black tip can.
Hesco L210s: lighter than this plate, NIJ certed, NOT made in China, Thinner than this plate, and marginally more expensive. Did I mention not made in China and actual QC?
honest question, what makes one nij certified and the other not certified? If they are the exact same plate shouldn't both be certified? it doesn't make sense for there to be a certified plate and an uncertified plate if they are exactly the same product
These are great for people who don't wear armor all the time and aren't used to carrying heavy plates every day. Yes you should practice and work out with it but some of us don't have the same amount of time for training as people insecurity or the military.
I have 2 sets of battle steel ! Level III AND LEVEL III+.....FAST SHIPPING IN 48 HOURS ! NOT ONCE, BUT 3 TIMES! Also ordered a slew of SUREFIRE MAGS! NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH SHIPPING! AND I AINT PAID BY BATTLE STEEL EITHER!
I wish all armor reviews had a iiia soft panel behind the hard plate. I don't really care about the clay backface deformation. I also wish all optic reviews showed the amount of ambient light visible from the objective end of optic while the orotic is illuminated at all levels. Eotech's are the only optic I'm aware of that emit absolutely no visible light towards the target.
I’m quite annoyed. I was sent a less expensive set of plates than the ones I ordered, and was told they were the same plate. After proving that they weren’t the same plate they said they were going to issue a return label, which didn’t show up until I inquired again about it. Now I’m told that I will be issued store credit once they receive the wrong plates back. Then I can reorder the correct plates again and just pray that the right plates get shipped out I guess. My brother ordered the same plates as me a couple days later and received the less expensive plate also. My theory, which I hope is wrong, is that this is an intentional choice on Battle Steel’s part to profit more from customers who don’t realize it’s a cheaper plate. Then when someone does confront them about it, instead of just sending out the correct plates, they keep your money and issue store credit. Now my money is tied up and I risk the correct plates being out of stock by the time they get the wrong plates back. I’m also concerned that the wrong plates will show up again.
I appreciate the testing for penetration and it's performance is impressive. However, I am concerned with how much force is still being delivered by those rounds to the body via the consequent "impact bulges" on the back side of the plate. Enough force to knock the wind out of a person, enough to break ribs, rupture internal organs, etc. This is information I have not seen published by any mfr or tester that I have yet viewed.
@@kenofken9458 consider that most plates should be used in conjunction with soft body armor. ideally 3a+. in most cases you need it to take advantage of the level 4 plates. and it comes with trauma protection. i believe it comes with trauma protection. please someone correct me if I am mistaken.
@@lnstall_Wizard As I understand it, plates have to meet the deformation and other standards independently if they want the III or IV rating from NIJ. III+ isn't even an NIJ rating. It's a thing made up by manufacturers for an overbuilt Level III plate designed to defeat M855 and M193 rounds. Most plates I've seen seem to be sold and rated as standalone protection. That said, I have seen some that are listed as "in conjuction with" ICW, which means that their rating depends on their use along with IIIA or some other configuration. I'm not sure if NIJ even recognizes that at all or how they handle it. I would agree as a general matter that it's a good idea to pair plates with a soft vest. Those 10x12 plates cover some really critical organs, but it's still a lot less coverage than a wraparound vest. At the same time, that soft armor isn't going to stop or even inconvenience a fast rifle round like 5.56. If that round hits anywhere besides the hard plate, you're screwed. It really depends on the specific threat. For most civilians even in this crazy country, they're much more likely to encounter handgun fire. A good IIIA soft vest will stop a barrage of those rounds by itself. It you happen to have a hard plate in as well, bonus! It's going to reduce the felt impact of a 9 mm to negligible. It's going to give you stab protection and will block some of the exotic high velocity handgun rounds like 5.7 FN which the soft armor might not otherwise handle.
I'm not comfortable with the fact that they are selling plates advertised as Level III, and level III+ right next to NIJ certified level III, and III (+special threat) that are listed as much heavier and thicker than the non certified. I wonder if the real reason they are selling non-certified plates is because they won't pass the certification, but tend to stop the "rated" threats... usually...
And that's OK Mr. Pritchard. They were a growing company, like many others in the armor industry that recently sprung up. At 25k per plate test, that's some money. Either way you have a choice. I choose the lighter weight plates. I have 2 different sets. Level III and Level III+. I also have a good set of SPARTAN ARMOR plates. (1st set I bought almost 7 years ago. At least you have choices, out there. If your rich, buy HESCO'S. There are hundreds of test out thee Re showing they stopped the intended threats. Which is 3 shots of the ammo listed on back of plates. I trust them and looked at all others who tested them. good luck n take care.
TIdbit. Their NIJ certified model isn't made by Longfri (who makes the battle steel plates). It's made by Tencate, and they easily can pay for NIJ certification. Price reflects the investment cost for that. Quite a few longFri plates at one time had NIJ certification, but they do not any longer. Why, don't know, LongFri would have to tell us why they aren't. From what I've been told the ROI for NIJ CPL is 5000-6000 plates per model per year. I can see Botach easily doing that for LongFri, not to mention the OEM's they sell too. Maybe it's they can't prove logistics. I am not sure if LongFri's factories are US, or Chinese based.
For not rated plates they seem to be proven performers. Especially for the price point. Just because something has an nij rating dosent mean it isnt susceptible to manufacturing or quality control failures. It's not like ceramic plates get tested before they leave the factory. I do agree with sketchy and misleading advertising being worrisome. However these seem to hold up to especially for being non rated.
@@Hath.0 someone gets it. There are also companies who sell plates for big dollhairs and try to play up their brand with big words yet their plates are sub par ;)
@@BuffRANGE very true. I'm more of a results over price kind of guy. I'm not above store brand cheerios. Haha. Imagine spending a few grand on top tier plates and getting hit in the face, neck or gut.
You need to blast some plates with fiocci 40gr varmint ammo.. It's moving 3700fps out of a 20" barrel.. cookin! I tested some against some spartan 550 side plates and it went thru them like butter inside 100yds. Needless to say I bought 1k rounds after testing it
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m so it'll probably go 3700-3900 out of a 20". There's two main ways to defeat armor. 1.Composition. 2. Velocity. Since we don't have access to exotic tungsten core stuff on the civilian market our only option is velocity. I'd be willing to bet those superformance rounds mentioned would go through ceramic inside of 50 yds with numbers like that. A good rule of thumb is level 3 is reliably defeated around 3300fps, 3+ is somewhere near 3600 and lvl 4 is somewhere around 4000fps. A buddy of mine got a .243 AR 10 with a 22" barrel specifically built for busting plates lol and it's goddamn good at it's role. It was expensive but he has yet to come across armor that will hold up against it
@@TOO_RAW nah you need bullet construction AND velocity to defeat level 4. I’ve seen level 4 stop 22-250 at 4400 FPS with almost no backface deformation. If that had been tungsten or perhaps even steel it surely would have gone through.
@@TOO_RAW I’m most interested if at what velocity will hardened steel defeat level 4 and up to what range. We know M2AP loaded into 300 win mag (approx. 3250 FPS ) will defeat some level 4 but others it won’t. I say at 3600 FPS m2ap will defeat all level 4. But that’s one gnarly cartridge to push a 163 grain bullet that fast
@@Murderface666 What's a "real world" distance for 5.56, especially in a civilian context? In the rare but catastrophic instances when criminals and mass shooters use something like an AR, it's usually not from hundreds of feet away. They're walking through schools or workplaces or whatever opening up on people more or less point blank - several feet to perhaps dozens of feet away.
I always click on these for tests and stay for the random thousands of dollars of random arsenal you pull out to flex on us. Lmao what a beautiful collection of history and equipment you have there.
I'm sorry but this company has one of the worst customer service. They sent me the wrong product 2 times and they never pick up the phone when u call them,terrible. If you want to roll the dice and hope they send you the right product go ahead but good luck because if what you get isn't what you ordered no one will pick up the phone when you call and then you're stuck with whatever they sent you.
What does their customer service have to do with any of this? It’s just a test and not a selling commercial. Honestly, I am impressed that it held up that much. All the plates I carried in Afghanistan had kevlar behind them. Side plates with the IOTV, dude this is cool. A normal IOTV had so much attached, without getting wet(ammo/amenities).
I think that's because III is about the most you can reliably get out of UHMWPE, and if you try to build a shield out of steel or ceramic, you're going to end up with some 50-100+ pound monstrosity nobody could use unless they were as big as "The Mountain" in Game of Thrones.
Love the test and how excited you are to see the results, I was the same on this side lol
Thank you Mike for your hard work as always. Stay cool.
With that hat..... he only knows cool. All joking aside, here in Texas with really bad heat this year..... where did he get that hat?
youll still always be the wizard of armor destruction or whatever it is now lol
Test it
I think the best bet is to put a level4 on top (in front) of a steel plate and have soft armor under that and have someone else wearing it when hit. Best to be on a couch somewhere relaxing
Can you do a video on when and how to properly use plate backers?
Cool video! I’ve never worn body armor professionally, I’m too old. We just assumed that BDUs and a cool looking boogie cap made us invincible. 😎
🤣🤣🤣 I was thinking the same thing
Dammit Jim! I thought I was invisible when everyone said they could only see my face and hands!
Now, I have a complex! Hahahhahahaha😉
Back in my day, we didn't even fight with clothes on! Just blue body paint and axes!🤣
We didn't win too many battles to be fair.
I started out invisible in BDU’s then we went to the ACU’s and armor became extremely important as it was designed to blend well with gravel and some generals couch.
@@nemoexnuqual3643 I never wore ACUs, but I’ve heard a lot of negative things about them. I do remember a picture that someone took, I’m assuming that it was real, where a guy was laying on an old couch wearing ACUs and blended in perfectly.
2022 body armor plates are cheaper than gasoline.
Based on your recommendations I have purchased two of these. Thank you!
Would love to see something like a III+ get shot with a 30-06 AP but at a more realistic distance (something like 150-200yds) to see if it can stop it. A round like that is most likely to be on a hunting rifle. I doubt Bubba will be clearing a room with a rifle with a 26" barrel and a 15× scope shooting one of these rounds.
Clearing rooms with a Bolt action hunting rifle sounds pretty metal
@@marcomenabue7717It absolutely does not
There’s also people who know that 30-06 black tip is the best penetration do they likely have bought an hcar or something more modular
I have these plates and I love them so much
I love these videos! This is the type of information we need! Thank you sir!
Battlesteel is great, their website and customer service on the other hand....
I just did this last weekend , wanted to make sure it worked
Which plate did you test specifically? What were your results?
I would love to see a review of Tacticon Armament Ar500 and Ar600 steel plates. Love your videos thank you brother
Looks like for a Special Threat plate they had to significantly make it thicker compared to other ST plates in order to stop M80 ball. Especially the NIJ rated one which is 1.5" thick.
In reality, the hghest likelyhood threat anyone would face would be M855 193 and M80 which is what makes regular level 3 iffy. It's good to see a good option under level 4 weights and not breaking the bank.
Its best for one person to just save money aside bit by bit then buy the stuff.
I like to see him shoot against a solid packer so the plate isn't giving so much.
Like a big block of clay thats molded to fit the armor. More like body. When the plate can move and give , it doesn't give a true representation of how well the armor actually works or doesn't work.
This is very true. I'd even offer to build the box I use for Mike, but I'm not sure he's able to lift stuff like that as it would be approaching 100 lbs with clay. His dirt box is fine for a medium, but he really needs to strap the plates down because he's not getting maximum energy transfer aka worst case. Menards has straps for pretty cheap.
@@BuffRANGE
Expert trolling my friend! *clapping
@@williammason8673 am I trolling though? In all seriousness Mike’s and IRV8888’s data points are probably the only other 2 creators who I watch for armor tests. If Mike had a box like mine it would help validate his results even more.
@EBH
I wish all hard plate reviews had a quality iiia soft panel behind the hard plate.
I couldn't care less about back face deformation!
What I want to know is the bullet stopping power of a soft panel behind a hard plate ... if the round makes it through the hard plate!
@@nutsnfancy I wouldn't have much confidence in the IIIA stopping a round that cleanly punched through the plate. Some plates are sold to achieve a certain level "ICW" in conjunction with soft armor, but most people buying plates these days seem to use them alone in carriers. Personally I think it makes sense to use any plate along with soft armor to cover more area at least from handgun rounds or fragments. You don't realize how little anatomical real estate a 10x12 plate covers until you put one on.
That hat is so dope. We need to test it.
Afternoon MrG&G . Good to go ! Thanks
LA police gear lv3 plate the only plate I know of to date to not die by your efforts including 30-06 black tip.
Bro you are so informative, bit it's nothing new for you.
Thank you for your hard work.
Thank you
I haven't written professionally but do larp according to Kennedy and Meyers but I call it training and it's true Oz =LBS
Looks like LAPG Lvl 3 still wins on price, and 30-06 black tip stopping, but heavier & single curve. Botach 3+ wins on weight, multi-curve, holding together better (lost less ceramic), and appears to have less backface deformation. With 20% Mr.G&G coupon, these are price competitive with LAPG at $111.00. Though, LAPG did an $85/plate free shipping deal which was an insane value.
The plates lapg sell are botach lol
@@CarolinaNightHunter I wouldn’t be surprised, but they are built to different specs. LAPG lvl 3 is single curve, uses Alumina tiles and performs like 3+. Botach 3+ is multicurve and uses silicon carbide tiles.
Dumb question for science, what happens if you shoot the plate on the back side towards the uhwmpe first?
The ceramic is what stops the initial shock of the bullet and hopefully breaks the bullet to pieces. The plastic slows it down and the heat from the bullet makes it liquefied briefly, and captures it.
The reason why you don't wear it backwards, cause nothing breaks up the bullet except the person who wore it backwards as it smashes in to his Thorasic cavity.....and dies.
Nice hat. We all loved you in the Hobbit.
LOL YOU REMIND ME OF THE FLYIND NUNN AWESOME VIDEO !
Love ya, but where the hell did you get that thing on your head?
Thanks Mike. I'm calling this "tweeked armor Tuesday"🤣
Thank you, just ordered a 3+ shield, level 4 front, rear, and side plates, and 5 level 3+ 10x12’s, 2 new carrier vests, and a 3+ backpack plate from them after watching this.
youre probably gonna wait a few months for it
I'm loving that hat brother.
That sun hat is epic!
Will it stop m193 out of a 20 inch barrel?
I wish you had clay behind it, like some people do, so we can get an idea of the force going out the back and into the wearer's body.
i want one of the ruger made 1895 sbl in 45-70 but i think the trapper would work better for me and one of those ranger point precision brakes
i say order all the plates you can afford at one time. botach for me was never a fast shipper, and fuel shortages plus order volume...if you think youre gonna want it, youre definitely going to need it and extra.
the 3a soft plates with cheap carrier for 99 bucks i just wish i bought a dozen the first time. great gift, easy sale to anyone who sees it, and you want multiples anyways
I think BoTach has a new distribution center. I ordered a carrier in 21 and it took two months from China, I ordered a new plate in 23 and had it in a week from Nevada.
Any idea if you think it would stop M855A1?
That plate, no problem.
Huffman found it did not stop m855a1
M80 is the certification round for 0101.6 level III
Eh ppl owe you for your work, if ppl have an issue w audio levels, there's a CC button. You dont owe anyone apologies.
I would save the shield for my personal preps also! Very good chance that you will need it soon!!
Thanks for the review.
It may stop the pullet, but your going to have some broken bones or internal injury from the impact. Definately need trama plate behind it.
Seem like RTS (that I got because of your testing) continues to be a great choice..
Great stuff Mike
Excellent video!
Another solid vid, but the NIJ battlesteel armor IS NOT the same. All of its thicker by half an inch or so vs non-NIJ, due to what appears to be a newtonian foam insert after base level 3/3+ plate and then a few additional layers of soft panels behind the foam -- the purpose of these layers is primarily to reduce backface deformation to w/in NIJ specs (non-NIJ thin panels simply can't meet that spec even if they stop penetration) but that add'l material may also increase ballistic protection. At one point one of the battlesteel NIJ options on botach showed a cutaway graphic showing the foam and add'l soft armor layers...
Personally, I add level 3a soft armor and a trauma pad (some botach level 3a have had in the past integral foam in them even though not advertised) behind my non-NIJ 3+ battlesteel plates (usually run 11x14 soft and 10x12 hard for carriers that allow), which allows for easy removal if not needed, instead of transferring armor between various carriers... None of the level 3a+ soft armor I've ordered from Botach has had any foam in them however.
thank you Sir
Thnx
I have RMA 3+ plates. 2xPlates, carrier, IFAK= 10.1LB
check out dayton armor, 2 level 3+ plates = 4 pounds. probably 6 total with carrier and IFAK
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 But completely unsubstantiated in the industry of real world performance. Their lab testing shows those 3+ plates stopping M855 with 40+mm of backface. M80 ball is going to hurt.
I see these for sale on like Optics Planet and similar sites. A surplus store near me in Tx, sells them, but told me it was LEO sale only. From then on assumed it was the case, but seeing if these are able for a civilian to just purchase?
Could you do a DOUBLE Spall bag and see what happens? No body has such a test.
Can you guys review full bodyarmor? Would be tight!
Great review.
What hat is that? Looks perfect for a range hat or mowing hat!
How long until tile guys start selling "covered ceramic tile" in New York city now that they're banning hard plates? 🤔
They could do that, but it's going to awfully hard to explain why floor tile is curved just right for a human torso.
@@kenofken9458 it's for my Roman pillars... 😏
@@RichardCranium321 Just make sure to leave off the stickers with the NIJ rating and "this side toward body."
Love it! Just grabbed a couple from your link. Thanks for posting!
A shame that RUclips deactivates links now!
The M80 definitely broke some ribs
Hopefully we will never have to experience it and if so, at least 200 yards +
Double tap in the same area 🤷♂️ would be a good test.
EXCELLENT !!! THANK YOU !!! DSC
It's amazing how suppress this channel is, no pun intended.
Dear Mike, THANK YOU!!!!! My sister and I have very little money left over at the end of the day and it's far worse under this administration, 🇺🇸FJB, so we've been unable to afford plates for the carriers we bought last year. We still won't be able to buy two sets front and back but these plates are at least something we can buy a plate now and maybe another one a couple months later and so on. I had written off the chance to get plates until seeing your video. Much thanks!!
Fueling Al gore's rhythm. 🚀🚀🚀
🤣🤣🤣
I’d imagine that the deformation would still do some damage to your person.
That's freakin sweet definitely going to pick up a set... I've been looking for something lightweight but wanted something that could stand up against common 223/556 or 7.62×39 the 308 is a bonus. I honestly thought the 45-70 was going through you'd definitely feel that the next day.... LOL Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
45-70 will defeat level 4 plates
I picked up a set after seeing this review a while ago. Definitely impressive for no nij rating plates.
ruclips.net/video/E6_do6vLFbE/видео.html
@@djjaysky9071 no they won’t. The backface will likely be over 44mm though. But outright penetration no way
If 5.56 get stopped from a 16" and above legth barrel so will .308 and 45-70. Backface deformation is quite another matter entirely with those bigger calibers but I would never be impressed if a plate stopped .308 or 45-70. It's 5.56 from longer barrels that will defeat your armor. 30-06 black tip won't go through lv4 but 5.56 black tip can.
Hesco L210s: lighter than this plate, NIJ certed, NOT made in China, Thinner than this plate, and marginally more expensive. Did I mention not made in China and actual QC?
Any m855a1?
The 30 6 rounds is rated at 100 yards for level 4. Not 10 feet.
Ordering 2 as soon as I get stateside 👀
Wonder how 30’06 non black tip would do…
honest question, what makes one nij certified and the other not certified? If they are the exact same plate shouldn't both be certified? it doesn't make sense for there to be a certified plate and an uncertified plate if they are exactly the same product
I'm sure it's a SKU difference
AT 3:05 is that a 3-D printed HuxWrx?
I'm sticking with my Safe Life Defense FRAS vest it's worth the money
That dude gives me the used car salesman vibe
@@nutsnfancy I'm sure he doesn't care about what you think and neither do I. Go back to your mom's basement you illiterate troll.
Ahh HAA, nice! Thanks again mrg&g!
Hilarious results on Old Fat Dad, .22lr & .22wmr & the TINY 17hmr ALL penetrated this body armour passing through and bursting the water bottles. PMSL
Love the comments here... I’d like to take it a step further and request that you test a full set of medieval plate armor /sarcasm
These are great for people who don't wear armor all the time and aren't used to carrying heavy plates every day. Yes you should practice and work out with it but some of us don't have the same amount of time for training as people insecurity or the military.
Jeez,does the IRS have all those calibers?
I have 2 sets of battle steel ! Level III AND LEVEL III+.....FAST SHIPPING IN 48 HOURS ! NOT ONCE, BUT 3 TIMES!
Also ordered a slew of SUREFIRE MAGS!
NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH SHIPPING!
AND I AINT PAID BY BATTLE STEEL EITHER!
Wait. It ceramic and uhwmpe is in the level 4, is this one only 3+ because its thinner? [Than lv4?]
Yes, the ceramic and PE backing on the III+ plate is a bit thinner than the Level IV.
Great video
I still want to know where to get the Tactical Gandalf Hat?!?
Love these !!!!
What weight is the Level III+ Plate compared to Level IV?
what if you shoot 30-06 with one there iiia flexible plates behind it. Would the extra uwhp slow down or stop it ?
I wish all armor reviews had a iiia soft panel behind the hard plate.
I don't really care about the clay backface deformation.
I also wish all optic reviews showed the amount of ambient light visible from the objective end of optic while the orotic is illuminated at all levels.
Eotech's are the only optic I'm aware of that emit absolutely no visible light towards the target.
I’m quite annoyed. I was sent a less expensive set of plates than the ones I ordered, and was told they were the same plate. After proving that they weren’t the same plate they said they were going to issue a return label, which didn’t show up until I inquired again about it. Now I’m told that I will be issued store credit once they receive the wrong plates back. Then I can reorder the correct plates again and just pray that the right plates get shipped out I guess. My brother ordered the same plates as me a couple days later and received the less expensive plate also. My theory, which I hope is wrong, is that this is an intentional choice on Battle Steel’s part to profit more from customers who don’t realize it’s a cheaper plate. Then when someone does confront them about it, instead of just sending out the correct plates, they keep your money and issue store credit. Now my money is tied up and I risk the correct plates being out of stock by the time they get the wrong plates back. I’m also concerned that the wrong plates will show up again.
The real question is where did you get that RIS III rail 👀
Does anyone know where the best price for these plates are , which website ??? I’m seeing botach has em for 150-170 each
How do you like that stock in the savage?
I appreciate the testing for penetration and it's performance is impressive. However, I am concerned with how much force is still being delivered by those rounds to the body via the consequent "impact bulges" on the back side of the plate. Enough force to knock the wind out of a person, enough to break ribs, rupture internal organs, etc. This is information I have not seen published by any mfr or tester that I have yet viewed.
If a plate is NIJ rated, it must have no more than 44 mm of back face deformation from the rated rifle rounds.
@@kenofken9458 consider that most plates should be used in conjunction with soft body armor. ideally 3a+. in most cases you need it to take advantage of the level 4 plates. and it comes with trauma protection. i believe it comes with trauma protection. please someone correct me if I am mistaken.
@@lnstall_Wizard As I understand it, plates have to meet the deformation and other standards independently if they want the III or IV rating from NIJ. III+ isn't even an NIJ rating. It's a thing made up by manufacturers for an overbuilt Level III plate designed to defeat M855 and M193 rounds.
Most plates I've seen seem to be sold and rated as standalone protection. That said, I have seen some that are listed as "in conjuction with" ICW, which means that their rating depends on their use along with IIIA or some other configuration. I'm not sure if NIJ even recognizes that at all or how they handle it.
I would agree as a general matter that it's a good idea to pair plates with a soft vest. Those 10x12 plates cover some really critical organs, but it's still a lot less coverage than a wraparound vest. At the same time, that soft armor isn't going to stop or even inconvenience a fast rifle round like 5.56. If that round hits anywhere besides the hard plate, you're screwed.
It really depends on the specific threat. For most civilians even in this crazy country, they're much more likely to encounter handgun fire. A good IIIA soft vest will stop a barrage of those rounds by itself. It you happen to have a hard plate in as well, bonus! It's going to reduce the felt impact of a 9 mm to negligible. It's going to give you stab protection and will block some of the exotic high velocity handgun rounds like 5.7 FN which the soft armor might not otherwise handle.
I'm not comfortable with the fact that they are selling plates advertised as Level III, and level III+ right next to NIJ certified level III, and III (+special threat) that are listed as much heavier and thicker than the non certified. I wonder if the real reason they are selling non-certified plates is because they won't pass the certification, but tend to stop the "rated" threats... usually...
And that's OK Mr. Pritchard. They were a growing company, like many others in the armor industry that recently sprung up. At 25k per plate test, that's some money. Either way you have a choice. I choose the lighter weight plates. I have 2 different sets. Level III and Level III+.
I also have a good set of SPARTAN ARMOR plates. (1st set I bought almost 7 years ago.
At least you have choices, out there. If your rich, buy HESCO'S.
There are hundreds of test out thee
Re showing they stopped the intended threats. Which is 3 shots of the ammo listed on back of plates. I trust them and looked at all others who tested them.
good luck n take care.
TIdbit. Their NIJ certified model isn't made by Longfri (who makes the battle steel plates). It's made by Tencate, and they easily can pay for NIJ certification. Price reflects the investment cost for that. Quite a few longFri plates at one time had NIJ certification, but they do not any longer. Why, don't know, LongFri would have to tell us why they aren't. From what I've been told the ROI for NIJ CPL is 5000-6000 plates per model per year. I can see Botach easily doing that for LongFri, not to mention the OEM's they sell too. Maybe it's they can't prove logistics. I am not sure if LongFri's factories are US, or Chinese based.
For not rated plates they seem to be proven performers. Especially for the price point. Just because something has an nij rating dosent mean it isnt susceptible to manufacturing or quality control failures. It's not like ceramic plates get tested before they leave the factory.
I do agree with sketchy and misleading advertising being worrisome. However these seem to hold up to especially for being non rated.
@@Hath.0 someone gets it. There are also companies who sell plates for big dollhairs and try to play up their brand with big words yet their plates are sub par ;)
@@BuffRANGE very true.
I'm more of a results over price kind of guy. I'm not above store brand cheerios. Haha. Imagine spending a few grand on top tier plates and getting hit in the face, neck or gut.
Nice battle steel armor, my man!
Yeah
You need to blast some plates with fiocci 40gr varmint ammo.. It's moving 3700fps out of a 20" barrel.. cookin! I tested some against some spartan 550 side plates and it went thru them like butter inside 100yds. Needless to say I bought 1k rounds after testing it
Yep I’m always curious about the really lightweight 223. Hornady superformance is 4000 FPS from 24” barrel
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m so it'll probably go 3700-3900 out of a 20". There's two main ways to defeat armor. 1.Composition. 2. Velocity. Since we don't have access to exotic tungsten core stuff on the civilian market our only option is velocity. I'd be willing to bet those superformance rounds mentioned would go through ceramic inside of 50 yds with numbers like that. A good rule of thumb is level 3 is reliably defeated around 3300fps, 3+ is somewhere near 3600 and lvl 4 is somewhere around 4000fps. A buddy of mine got a .243 AR 10 with a 22" barrel specifically built for busting plates lol and it's goddamn good at it's role. It was expensive but he has yet to come across armor that will hold up against it
I was thinking a 300 ultra mag shooting a 160 grain bullet at 3600 fps. If it don’t go thru your still going to be on the ground for a little bit
@@TOO_RAW nah you need bullet construction AND velocity to defeat level 4. I’ve seen level 4 stop 22-250 at 4400 FPS with almost no backface deformation. If that had been tungsten or perhaps even steel it surely would have gone through.
@@TOO_RAW I’m most interested if at what velocity will hardened steel defeat level 4 and up to what range. We know M2AP loaded into 300 win mag (approx. 3250 FPS ) will defeat some level 4 but others it won’t. I say at 3600 FPS m2ap will defeat all level 4. But that’s one gnarly cartridge to push a 163 grain bullet that fast
Does the suppressor lower the velocity of the rounds?
I think it would be a good test to see how well regular Level 3 at 100 yards would do against M855
Bullet would go right through. Need ceramic strike face to stop M855.
@@hyperion4818 Have you tested it? You seem to forget that all these tests are done at minimal distances, not real world distances.
@@Murderface666 Yes, we have tested.
@@hyperion4818 Show it.
@@Murderface666 What's a "real world" distance for 5.56, especially in a civilian context? In the rare but catastrophic instances when criminals and mass shooters use something like an AR, it's usually not from hundreds of feet away. They're walking through schools or workplaces or whatever opening up on people more or less point blank - several feet to perhaps dozens of feet away.
I always click on these for tests and stay for the random thousands of dollars of random arsenal you pull out to flex on us. Lmao what a beautiful collection of history and equipment you have there.
where are these plates made? are they NIJ certed?
Would you like to try my 450 Marlin on the plate ?
I love the armor videos
Well hell yeah
I'm sorry but this company has one of the worst customer service. They sent me the wrong product 2 times and they never pick up the phone when u call them,terrible. If you want to roll the dice and hope they send you the right product go ahead but good luck because if what you get isn't what you ordered no one will pick up the phone when you call and then you're stuck with whatever they sent you.
It’s Chinese what were you expecting
What does their customer service have to do with any of this? It’s just a test and not a selling commercial. Honestly, I am impressed that it held up that much. All the plates I carried in Afghanistan had kevlar behind them. Side plates with the IOTV, dude this is cool. A normal IOTV had so much attached, without getting wet(ammo/amenities).
It’s called getting “botached”.
@@e7tegt503 then buy a plate and provide an argument
I am all for truth, tag me please if you find different results
M855a1?
The shield on the site only goes up to level 3
I think that's because III is about the most you can reliably get out of UHMWPE, and if you try to build a shield out of steel or ceramic, you're going to end up with some 50-100+ pound monstrosity nobody could use unless they were as big as "The Mountain" in Game of Thrones.