My sister in law worked for a major radio station corporation in the US and had a very generous car allowance. She could get a new car every 2 years and she always got a Land Rover. When she retired and had to buy her own car, she bought an Acura! She loved driving the Rovers, but she wasn't going to deal with the unreliability using her own money.
I've had my 2001 4.6L V8 Vogue for a couple of years now, and yes it has had its fair share of problems, but it's just incredibly nice no matter the situation! 8hr drive up to scotland? It's great! Heading to the beach? It's perfect! It's comfortable and its quirks just make them feel more alive, I can't see myself without one now, plus I get a solid 18mpg on a run! Yes it's pricey to run, and plenty of things need replacing, but you pay the price for the joy of owning one!
My Vogue SE is a trooper. Comfortable, surprisingly reliable and a dream to waft along in with the burbling V8 soundtrack. Couldn't imagine parting with it.
The Overfinch conversions were more aftermarket/unofficial than you may imply. There were also a number of LE's for overseas markets, eg Japan, Holland & Holland USA, etc. The LRSV Autobiography programme was used in part to develop features which later became mainstream options. People may criticise some of the special colours but wealth and taste don't always go together (and suffer financially accordingly when they come to be traded in).
I got a new 4.6 HSE in 1999. I had it for 5 years, drove a 230 000 km with it. I had very few problems with the car. Perhaps one of the most comfortable cars I ever had. Since then I have driven smaller and more sustainable vehicles. They have been smarter, but not as regale as the P38. Regards from Norway
My dad had one of these, the interior quality was immaculate and the fit and finish far better than the 10 year newer disco 2 he bought when the range rover burned down from a wiring short on an oil leak. Drank fuel but such a pleasant car to ride in and capable offroad.
I run a 2001 P38 Bordeaux which was a one owner car from new when I bought it as a stolen / recovered project with a wrecked interior. It has 219,000 miles on it and runs a 4.0 litre Turner V8 fitted in 2011. The electronics were fun when I got it due to water and heater leaks but as the whole interior had to come out anyway repairing and testing looms was not a bad job. But now everything works and the s/h Lightstone leather interior with electric seats looks terrific and is sublimely comfortable. The fit of trims is pretty impressive for a 23 year old car as I managed to clean and save all the plastic trims. I think the P38 and Land Rovers in general get undeserved bad press because most of the issues are down to the lack of correct service. You don't put over 200,000 miles on a bad car and few cars look as good as a Range Rover of any model.
A true great British legend and despite its flaws including the lack of security regarding its being the most popular vehicle for thieves in London it has become an iconic symbol of a once proud and vibrant British industry. Thanks once again Sir for your well crafted work and shared knowledge on this issue and the other topics you offer to us all on this increasingly flawed platform. Best regards from Liverpool.☘️📚
It is telling that the Classic Range Rover seems to have a greater presence than the P38 on the used market. The one thing I really do like about the P38 is that it makes my Jeep look reliable in comparison 😬😂
Bought a late 1995 P38 4.0 Autobiography with LPG in 2008, with 170,000 miles. It was a complete shed. Over 8 years & 140,000 miles later, it was still a shed, and someone (not me) drove it with a burst radiator hose, overheated it and wrecked at least one cylinder head. It still got home though, on it's own. Never failed to get home, never let me down. Loved it - wasn't perfect, always needed a spanner on something, but it was cheaper to run overall than many other cars I've had (mostly Mercs), and the only one the RAC never attended - but boy did it tow many other broken cars home for friends and family. One by one, acquaintances stopped joking about it. Miss it massively. Would I buy another one? No, won't be that lucky twice.
I delivered them to buyers. They were amazing to be inside and drove really well. There were reliability issues, which ultimately for many, including me, is a deciding factor.
had a 2001 4.6 HSE when it was a fifteen years old. A well kept one-owner car, it was reasonably reliable for the 5 years I kept it, and I very much liked it. A car that will do 90% of what a Jeep will do and 90% of what an S-class will do. But it was that combination of brilliant and utterly stupid that only the British seem to have perfected, and while I never had any of the really bad usual dilemmas, it gave me a nervous twitch thinking about everything that COULD expensively go wrong with it. When I happened across a VERY rare in the US 5spd manual base spec 1995 Discovery, I bought that and sold the Range Rover. I still have the Disco today. But I do miss the elegance of that HSE.
They are ideal for picking up one small child from school in crowded Victorian/Edwardian constructed built up residential areas, especially if you enjoy breaking the speed limit, going through red lights and parking irresponsibly. At least that's my impression...🤨
@@leightonolsson4846 If you can observe everything then you also know this is not a fast car and not a dumb fake mainstream SUV for the school run but actually one of the few 4×4 cars that has some off road ability. It has also better overview than most stupid new cars.
Bought a P38a once & once only. The only vehicle i ever owned that a prayer box in the glovebox was a better option to the RR handbook. A potentially world class vehicle let down by over complexity & British build quality
I had two. The first one was so bad that LR took it back and gave me a free replacement. The transmission on the second one completely disappeared on the M56 and left us stranded. I wrote it off and changed to Toyota Land cruiser after that and have had no more problems since. LR still is a joke.
The first car company to use the name Vogue was Singer (part of the Rootes Group I think). I don't know how Range Rover got away with using the same name.
The problem with all those Italian design houses was that they were trying to re-invent the Range Rover whilst putting their own spin on it instead of doing what Land Rover asked them to do. Bertone were close to getting the contract with their second design, but were beaten by Land Rover's own designers as they met the criteria and parameters that Land Rover set out. “Their own silly design” won as it was conventional and didn't look ridiculous. At least Land Rover gave Bertone, Ital Design and Pininfarina an opportunity to add another car to their portfolios and they blew it.
@@MontegoReviews Yeah no one in the upscale, conservative Range Rover clientele is going to buy a vehicle that looks too "out there". I mean look at Toyota's Landcruiser, it still looks relatively the same throughout the years.
You cheeky sod. He cranks out streams of useful, factual and accurate videos of broad interests from almost certainly the spare bedroom, and rather than congratulating him you had to hate because it’s not got some arbitrary production value.
Autobiography: proof that money does not buy taste. Just like Rolls Royce in the 70s, when the customer gets to choose colours it all gets very vulgar. My own P38 has been a reliable, if slow, workhorse. Prefer the D2 though.
Had a Vogue 50, number 36 of 50 made to celebrate 50 years pf Land Rover. HRH Duke of Edinburgh was gifted No. 1. Lashings of burr and leather everywhere, satnav (with option to see how many satellite signals you're receiving!), VHS, TVs in headrests, picnic tables, all in £73K (£138K 2024)
Ive had my 4.6 for three years. No issues outside of routine thorough servicing. We did have to change the air suspension compressor, but its been fantastic over all.
In the video, he said that some people could swap the engines for GM V8s, which were more powerful and more reliable. People still do that to this day, mostly DIY. I've not heard of people swapping a Toyota engine into Range Rovers, but most people who have the idea would probably prefer to spend quite a bit more and get the Land Cruiser instead of using its engine in another car from a different brand.
says something about the bad build quality when before the Landcrusier was released in Australia the Range Rover had 80+% market share after only 10% as they say if want to get to the outback go in a Rover if want to get back out then buy the Toyota
Funny at the start continually mentioning the 'P38'... here in Australia that was the nickname we gave to the horrible Leyland P76, it being only half as good as Leyland said it was going to be. 😁
Jeremy Clarkson said it was a brilliant design, but it was ruined by minkies(I think that's the word he used, I think it's an insult, but I don't know what it means).
If that's what he said, and I can't from memory verify it, it's likely he was referring to the people who built it. In England (at least in southern England "minkies" is a mildly pejorative term (unusual for Clarkson to go with mild, but if that's what he said, taht's what he said!) referring to primates further back in the evolutionary line than homos sapiens (human beings). A n example jibe about someone you are mildly annoyed with is to call them a "cheeky minky", or "cheeky minkies" if there are more than one. Hope this helps.
The erm channel name doesn’t exactly match your accent just an observation not a criticism. Any way I digress I have owned a IH Scout 2 it is in no way.. a car like design.. more like a tractor and appalling fuel economy Hmm just like the Discovery 1 V8 which I also had the misfortune to own. The P38 is gorgeous though a brilliant design.
actually, no. he's one of the few creators who've the decency to narrate videos with their own voice. also 'mericans seem to struggle with the accent 😂
The worst incarnation of one of the worst cars ever. The only thing legendary about any Range Rover is unreliability. They are all, without exception, utter rubbish.
Bought one in 1996. Two years later The Prince of Darkness, HVAC failure and suspension defeated me.
My sister in law worked for a major radio station corporation in the US and had a very generous car allowance. She could get a new car every 2 years and she always got a Land Rover. When she retired and had to buy her own car, she bought an Acura! She loved driving the Rovers, but she wasn't going to deal with the unreliability using her own money.
I've had my 2001 4.6L V8 Vogue for a couple of years now, and yes it has had its fair share of problems, but it's just incredibly nice no matter the situation!
8hr drive up to scotland? It's great! Heading to the beach? It's perfect!
It's comfortable and its quirks just make them feel more alive, I can't see myself without one now, plus I get a solid 18mpg on a run!
Yes it's pricey to run, and plenty of things need replacing, but you pay the price for the joy of owning one!
Someone gets what Range Rovers are all about. If people want cheap then they can buy cheap.
If these cars were reliable, they would have been amazing.
If.
My Vogue SE is a trooper. Comfortable, surprisingly reliable and a dream to waft along in with the burbling V8 soundtrack. Couldn't imagine parting with it.
Nice. My Isuzu is also a Trooper. (sorry, I had to...)
The soundtrack is so attractive huh!
The ridiculous styling of the Bentley variant just goes to show you can't buy class
I just came here to say that was the most crass and garish thing on 4 wheels I have ever seen. But you said it more politely, and I agree!
I actually like it. It’s hideous but in a weirdly cool sort of way.
Still can't. Their latest one looks like a London taxi from behind!
The Overfinch conversions were more aftermarket/unofficial than you may imply. There were also a number of LE's for overseas markets, eg Japan, Holland & Holland USA, etc. The LRSV Autobiography programme was used in part to develop features which later became mainstream options. People may criticise some of the special colours but wealth and taste don't always go together (and suffer financially accordingly when they come to be traded in).
I got a new 4.6 HSE in 1999. I had it for 5 years, drove a 230 000 km with it. I had very few problems with the car. Perhaps one of the most comfortable cars I ever had. Since then I have driven smaller and more sustainable vehicles. They have been smarter, but not as regale as the P38. Regards from Norway
My dad had one of these, the interior quality was immaculate and the fit and finish far better than the 10 year newer disco 2 he bought when the range rover burned down from a wiring short on an oil leak. Drank fuel but such a pleasant car to ride in and capable offroad.
I run a 2001 P38 Bordeaux which was a one owner car from new when I bought it as a stolen / recovered project with a wrecked interior. It has 219,000 miles on it and runs a 4.0 litre Turner V8 fitted in 2011.
The electronics were fun when I got it due to water and heater leaks but as the whole interior had to come out anyway repairing and testing looms was not a bad job. But now everything works and the s/h Lightstone leather interior with electric seats looks terrific and is sublimely comfortable. The fit of trims is pretty impressive for a 23 year old car as I managed to clean and save all the plastic trims.
I think the P38 and Land Rovers in general get undeserved bad press because most of the issues are down to the lack of correct service. You don't put over 200,000 miles on a bad car and few cars look as good as a Range Rover of any model.
A true great British legend and despite its flaws including the lack of security regarding its being the most popular vehicle for thieves in London it has become an iconic symbol of a once proud and vibrant British industry. Thanks once again Sir for your well crafted work and shared knowledge on this issue and the other topics you offer to us all on this increasingly flawed platform. Best regards from Liverpool.☘️📚
It is telling that the Classic Range Rover seems to have a greater presence than the P38 on the used market.
The one thing I really do like about the P38 is that it makes my Jeep look reliable in comparison 😬😂
Bought a late 1995 P38 4.0 Autobiography with LPG in 2008, with 170,000 miles. It was a complete shed. Over 8 years & 140,000 miles later, it was still a shed, and someone (not me) drove it with a burst radiator hose, overheated it and wrecked at least one cylinder head. It still got home though, on it's own. Never failed to get home, never let me down. Loved it - wasn't perfect, always needed a spanner on something, but it was cheaper to run overall than many other cars I've had (mostly Mercs), and the only one the RAC never attended - but boy did it tow many other broken cars home for friends and family. One by one, acquaintances stopped joking about it. Miss it massively. Would I buy another one? No, won't be that lucky twice.
I delivered them to buyers. They were amazing to be inside and drove really well. There were reliability issues, which ultimately for many, including me, is a deciding factor.
had a 2001 4.6 HSE when it was a fifteen years old. A well kept one-owner car, it was reasonably reliable for the 5 years I kept it, and I very much liked it. A car that will do 90% of what a Jeep will do and 90% of what an S-class will do. But it was that combination of brilliant and utterly stupid that only the British seem to have perfected, and while I never had any of the really bad usual dilemmas, it gave me a nervous twitch thinking about everything that COULD expensively go wrong with it. When I happened across a VERY rare in the US 5spd manual base spec 1995 Discovery, I bought that and sold the Range Rover. I still have the Disco today. But I do miss the elegance of that HSE.
The Sultan of Brunei's car collection would make a great video...
They are ideal for picking up one small child from school in crowded Victorian/Edwardian constructed built up residential areas, especially if you enjoy breaking the speed limit, going through red lights and parking irresponsibly. At least that's my impression...🤨
Sir, you are a hugely astute observer of suburban England.
An expert on the genus “Yummiest Mummiest”
@@PhilbyFavourites why thank you sir, your reply was pure comic gold.
So that is why you have one and are using it that way. You could as well buy a fake 4×4 alias SUV or MPV for that.
@@dennis3779 I don't/can't drive. My comment was an observation 😒 on the people who do...
@@leightonolsson4846 If you can observe everything then you also know this is not a fast car and not a dumb fake mainstream SUV for the school run but actually one of the few 4×4 cars that has some off road ability. It has also better overview than most stupid new cars.
The Chelsea Tractor
Bought a P38a once & once only.
The only vehicle i ever owned that a prayer box in the glovebox was a better option to the RR handbook.
A potentially world class vehicle let down by over complexity & British build quality
I had a VM instead. Loved it!
I had two. The first one was so bad that LR took it back and gave me a free replacement. The transmission on the second one completely disappeared on the M56 and left us stranded. I wrote it off and changed to Toyota Land cruiser after that and have had no more problems since. LR still is a joke.
The first car company to use the name Vogue was Singer (part of the Rootes Group I think). I don't know how Range Rover got away with using the same name.
That's right - it was a Rootes car. My parents had one in the late '60s, an embarrassingly awful piece of junk.
The high-end Range Rovers are called "Vogue" in reference to the eponymous Vogue magazine. Source AROnline.
I think this is the best looking Range Rover ever made, inside and out. Shame it wasn’t built very well.
To this day Land Rover builds beautiful, luxurious cars that age like milk mechanically.
It's a good job they called the top of the range model Vogue and not Mayfair. A lot of people would have still assumed it was named after a magazine.
If only they had been:-
1) reliable
2) gave you an option to have rubber mats fitted (not everyone wanted a suburban tractor)
Evening from Canberra 🇦🇺 RMV. Rewatching.
Why do they always go to Italy and annoy everybody there before choosing their own silly design. This is not the first or the only time they did this.
The problem with all those Italian design houses was that they were trying to re-invent the Range Rover whilst putting their own spin on it instead of doing what Land Rover asked them to do. Bertone were close to getting the contract with their second design, but were beaten by Land Rover's own designers as they met the criteria and parameters that Land Rover set out. “Their own silly design” won as it was conventional and didn't look ridiculous. At least Land Rover gave Bertone, Ital Design and Pininfarina an opportunity to add another car to their portfolios and they blew it.
@@MontegoReviews Okay, get it. So that is why Rover reinvented the whole thing after a very short life. Got it.
@@drstevenrey yet it was less of a re-invent than whatever the fuck Bertone tried to do.
@@MontegoReviews Yeah no one in the upscale, conservative Range Rover clientele is going to buy a vehicle that looks too "out there". I mean look at Toyota's Landcruiser, it still looks relatively the same throughout the years.
This car segment, and the people that buy them, are mainly interested in rigidly sticking to convention
Oh look! Another Ruairidh video on a British car with so much potential yet stymied by poor production!
You cheeky sod. He cranks out streams of useful, factual and accurate videos of broad interests from almost certainly the spare bedroom, and rather than congratulating him you had to hate because it’s not got some arbitrary production value.
@@userscott You misunderstood me. It wasn’t his video production, it was the car that my comment was directed at.
Man I know it has it issue, but Thompson made it such a desirable, handsome looking vehicle.
Te cars that never fail to disappoint in use
Autobiography: proof that money does not buy taste. Just like Rolls Royce in the 70s, when the customer gets to choose colours it all gets very vulgar. My own P38 has been a reliable, if slow, workhorse. Prefer the D2 though.
Had a Vogue 50, number 36 of 50 made to celebrate 50 years pf Land Rover. HRH Duke of Edinburgh was gifted No. 1. Lashings of burr and leather everywhere, satnav (with option to see how many satellite signals you're receiving!), VHS, TVs in headrests, picnic tables, all in £73K (£138K 2024)
Was that Jimmy savile? 0:23
L322 next please!
14:30 reminded Rolls royce cullinan
I see a little of the BMW e53 took a little of the Range Rover styling
My first car! bought for £700 in 2018 I absolutely loved it … .it died in 2019 …….The engine exploded just outside of Chelmsford 😂
Is Chelmsford near Chelsea?
@@PhilbyFavourites bout 40 mile
Ive had my 4.6 for three years. No issues outside of routine thorough servicing. We did have to change the air suspension compressor, but its been fantastic over all.
A P38 video would be much appreciated.
?? Did you actually watch the video? What exactly would you have liked that's different from the video that we are commenting on?
Maybe mate you wanna do video about jaguar xj x350/x358? 😎
In my mind the only single selling point about the Range Rover is the split rear door. That alone would sell it to me.
Superb documentary , Thank You (:
Ah range rover . The permanent resident of scrapyards and iffy council estates
0:23 Is this? 😬
So Land Rover is well seasoned at producing totally unreliable vehicles
get rid of the hidraulic suspension, install a Toyota engine
In the video, he said that some people could swap the engines for GM V8s, which were more powerful and more reliable. People still do that to this day, mostly DIY. I've not heard of people swapping a Toyota engine into Range Rovers, but most people who have the idea would probably prefer to spend quite a bit more and get the Land Cruiser instead of using its engine in another car from a different brand.
P38 = 38 parts will fail within 38 weeks.
says something about the bad build quality when before the Landcrusier was released in Australia the Range Rover had 80+% market share
after only 10% as they say if want to get to the outback go in a Rover if want to get back out then buy the Toyota
can one say JUNK
Funny at the start continually mentioning the 'P38'... here in Australia that was the nickname we gave to the horrible Leyland P76, it being only half as good as Leyland said it was going to be. 😁
wtf is a dropped liner?,ive been a teh 35yrs seen dropped valves but never a single liner "drop"!.
Jeremy Clarkson said it was a brilliant design, but it was ruined by minkies(I think that's the word he used, I think it's an insult, but I don't know what it means).
If that's what he said, and I can't from memory verify it, it's likely he was referring to the people who built it. In England (at least in southern England "minkies" is a mildly pejorative term (unusual for Clarkson to go with mild, but if that's what he said, taht's what he said!) referring to primates further back in the evolutionary line than homos sapiens (human beings). A n example jibe about someone you are mildly annoyed with is to call them a "cheeky minky", or "cheeky minkies" if there are more than one. Hope this helps.
Mitsubishi shogun
"Average families" - what planet are you on Rory?
The erm channel name doesn’t exactly match your accent just an observation not a criticism. Any way I digress I have owned a IH Scout 2 it is in no way.. a car like design.. more like a tractor and appalling fuel economy Hmm just like the Discovery 1 V8 which I also had the misfortune to own. The P38 is gorgeous though a brilliant design.
Keir Starmer doing the voice over kills this video. 👎
❤❤👍👍😊😊
The terrible voice over made end the video early, couldn't put up with it.
Is this voice AI ? It sounds like it is
actually, no.
he's one of the few creators who've the decency to narrate videos with their own voice.
also 'mericans seem to struggle with the accent 😂
Good content with AI.
Worst car ever
The worst incarnation of one of the worst cars ever. The only thing legendary about any Range Rover is unreliability. They are all, without exception, utter rubbish.
What a disgusting, anti-utilitarian thing