Man, being able to see Pontiff actually implemented as the final boss had me giddy. Your Griffith and Lothric ties make perfect sense to me, I'm surprised I've never seen that theory before.
It's because I've been working on it for 2 years XD, as I was going to use it in my mod, I decided not to tell anyone about it until now. There are more things that Dark Souls 3 used as inspiration, I will still reveal.
You know, when I take another look at the area you go to fight the old king of the eclipse, it seems like its the kiln of the first flame from ds1. You’re placed in front of a set of steps into a circular arena and, from the small glimpse that i saw when you looked to your left, there were steps going up and around the arena. Is it possible they were going to reuse the kiln like they did with a part of anor londo? I think it’s possible, and would make sense considering the kiln is technically where we end up in retail, though it looks completely different
Well, let's say this was an ending they tried to give the game in 2015, but it probably wasn't originally the ending they planned, since there is the leaked image of The Know where it has Dreg heap (Broken High Wall) and a giant Pus of Man with flying snakes, they must have tried to do this end of Kiln after taking a Bandai pressure so that ds3 was not the last dark souls, the kiln map of the retail version does not even exist in the Network stress test version of october 2015, 5 months before the game launch, they were still creating the SoC to replace the Old King.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure "Red Fan" is a Japanese term for reds as in invaders. I have seen it used in Japanese PvP video titles.
I wonder if the third Firelink Shrine is still kicking around in the files somewhere.. the one with the red sky and the giant humanity boss and all that jazz.
No, the third firelink was just a ceremony, the end of the pontiff in firelink was in a kiln identical to the one used in ds1, it is just one of the many things they tried to create in their desperation to deliver the game on time.
Is this the same version of the game where we discover Anor Londo in the Ashen Desert? I thought I remembered hearing one version that was the finale, and in another the end game was against Pontiff in Untended Graves (things have been shuffled around with this game so many times it can be hard to keep track!) Does this version imply that Prince Lothric actually becomes The King of the Eclipse for turning his back on linking the fire? If so, bad ass! Incredible work, dude! This already feels more complete and cohesive, lore wise, than the retail release. Awesome stuff.
Hi, thanks, yes, in the promo material, only the statue of Yhorm was mentioned as Lord of Cinder, something that was not treated as a group, only as him being the only Iundex of Cinder, something like judge, and we have infos of him guarding the firelink door, but the end would not be in untended graves, it would be in Dreg heap, this part of Kiln in Firelink was after the heavy changes in the gamescon build, the original kiln would probably be at the end of Dreg heap.
@@abyss1ne17 Ah, that makes sense! As from what I remember from that build it was: Yhorm (retail) > Iudex Gundyr Gundyr (retail) > Oceirus, The Consumed King Oceirus (retail) > Dragon Angel Wolnir (retail) > Yhorm Loving these vids - keep up the killer work!
@@Justinterpret a, I forgot, about Anor Londo in the desert, I am doing the whole place by hand ruclips.net/video/_vgY4QkNaRk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/htyHlsAsIeM/видео.html
@@abyss1ne17 Looks BAD ASS. The Anor Londo from the version that you're restoring is much more apocalyptic which fits the original tone. Though, my favorite thing I've seen is primordial Arch Dragon Peak from your Twitter. I legit geeked the f out when I saw the grey fog and giant Arch Tree!
@@Justinterpret I have already left it very different in the last changes, and if Adp is a high place, it should have snow, the lion knights of Farram have Fur on their armor, I really want to create this feeling of end of the world, desolation, Dark Souls 3 has to be the end of all things. I am glad that you liked it, I was going to develop it just to satisfy myself, it was some friends who encouraged me to disclose, I did not expect that there would be public for it.
I guess they were unhappy with the storyline or ran out of time and decided to just go with a similar theme to Dark Souls 1 and have it be a pure sequel with you fighting the amalgamation of everyone who linked the fire, including the Chosen Undead. But they had all these assets, so just reused them.
Not really reused, but repurposed. It's really funny to know, that the final boss became a mid-game boss instead, and that a Solaire style NPC became the final fight.
I feel the same, dark souls 3 was so ambitious when ds2, which is full of time travel, this would have lots of maps changing after the eclipse, they decided they didn't have time and money, and changed everything after 2015, or maybe Miazaky didn't like the that he saw, everything goes through his approval, even though he was 100% focused on bb at the time.
DUDE! I literally can't put into words how exciting this is. I don't have any modding experience per se, but I'm technical and have some game experience. I'd love to help out with anything, if I can. Offer is out there. Either way - AMAZING JOB. I swear I spend some time every day thinking about the original Dark Souls 3 story and lore implications series-wide.
I'm glad you liked it, about the help, I have no idea how I could, well, on the project it's just me and a friend who helps when he can, but if you have something that you have more experience with, I don't know, maybe you can make model, or programming, or things like that, edit textures, what do you like to work on the most? I've been developing Lore for two years now, it's fantastic to think about this stuff, and the more you date it, the more you go back in development and see what was changed.
@@deathbyslipknot This is a change, Dark Souls 3 had numerous versions before the version presented at gamescon, this version with Kiln on the Firelink map was done extremely hastily, it is likely that there was a version of Kiln at the end of Dreg heap, when there was none dlc and the end of the game was an apocalyptic end-of-the-world scenario
So does this mean that the Old King of the Eclipse character was actually a future version of Prince Lothric or something originally? If so, that’s really cool and would be awesome for a final boss.
Abyss1ne Very interesting, I wonder if it went Beat Princes->Princes resurrected in God’s Grave->Beat Nameless/Wolf/Deacons->Firelink->Beat Old King of the Eclipse
@@abyss1ne17 I've always assumed he would have been a sort of ancient Lord of Cinder brought back to life. You know, he's an "old king", has a crown... maybe he could have been the first Lord of Cinder of Lothric History, who knows...
@@LaMi_fa_cose I understand, but the lords os cinder plot is something very recent, when we go to check the datamining files, they use humanities, everything involving ember, unkindle, was created around 8 months before the game launched, and the game was produced over 4 or 5 years
@@abyss1ne17 Ohh... you've taken me by surprise saying that, because I didn't expect all that plotline was so recent 😲 Then, what these specific Lords were? Just simple powerful beings? Also, how the cut mechanic of the "Heat-up" fits into all this? I ask you because I'm always been kind of curious to piece together the original story of DS3. I also translated the Japanese texts of all the titles of the trilogy, therefore I want to check out how the ideas fit and all the stuff the developers went through, before the vanilla game.
its crazy just how much better the story would have been if they kept the pontiff as the old king. it reminds me of missteps in bloodbornes story with older names for the characters making more sense and positioning of bosses. I really wonder who the one who makes these decisions because it seems that every time they change their minds it ends up being the lesser option
I know... I'm at first inclined to think that maybe they ran out of time to implement their ideas. But it would seem to be more time intensive to rearrange everything they had. Maybe they just had shifting ideas thought out development of what this game should be about? Or maybe they get close to the end and play it, only to realize they didn't want to repeat themselves so much with referencing DS1, and so had to change the focus at the end?
But how will you go for snake soul? Anyway, that kiln of the first flame was awesome. I can't remember where, but I read that originally lothric castle was meant to sit on top of the kiln of the first flame, but also there is this theme of abyss roots growing up, so i dunno
Well, the boss snake soul, I think there were some mistakes across the time, or I could also be wrong, but from what I saw in the attack list, the moves are Torso, left arm, right arm, this looks more like Laurence, the bloodborne boss where he loses his legs and only moves halfway up, which could happen with the Pus of Man from the Gundyr boss, he lost the armor and move out the body, about the giant snake from The Know Leak, I've already taken care of it.
Its actually a shame that they didnt made the alpha version to the end after retail was released, would be really cool to see how alpha would look like
When i hear the main menu theme, i suddenly feel happiness. Tbh that would be really cool if soul of cinder got that main menu theme with slight difference, but i guess Gwyn won the bet here. Is there a full version?
Minha teoria sobre ds3 v1 é que nós, em algum momento, voltariamos no tempo para impedir o Gwyn de "cometer" o primeiro pecado e/ou usurpar a chama pós primeiro pecado. Quando eu joguei ds3 pela primeira vez, eu fiquei no hype pós vencer todos os lordes das cinzas, que talvez isso aconteceria.
Man, this makes so much more sense than what we got. Pontiff would also be a way more interesting final boss (with an added third phase maybe) than Soul of Cinder, which is just so incredibly bland. Literally an amalgamation of the player characters plus Gwyn. Wow, how ingenious.
How is the manifestation of ALL who linked the first flame bland enlighten me? Is has a LOT of significance and is still a very fitting final boss that makes sense. The supreme "player" pretty much. Also its not like they literally copypasted Gwyn moveset. I can agree that maybe Soul of Cinder should have been a secret boss for a ending, or either having Sulyvahn (or well Lothric in this case) as a secret final boss, but Soul of Cinder being bland? Maybe its tecnically "simple" , but doesn't make it bland in automatic
Most of them were never put inside the files until they released the retail version, I already opened the nt version texts, it has more bloodborne and ds1 stuff than ds3 hehe
@@ZargorrOG eu pensei que tinha algo escrito tambem, mas eles mudam tanto a lore que nem vale a pena colocar nos itens e voices, porque eles estao ate 2 meses antes de pressar os discos mudando coisas kkk é bizarro.
I think it was part of a summoning mechanic that bonfire sacrifice had, there are many npcs spread over many maps that have this kind of mechanic cut out, I will check further and see if it was really tied to the bonfire sacrifice [summon npc].
the epitaphs only existed in the jp 1.0 version of dark souls 3 because when they moved everything from a dev build to release, they forgot to remove it, the first patch of ds3 removed it from the game. hahahahah
@@abyss1ne17 Thanks for the quick reply. I only suggested it because I remember Lance being able to get the text of an old build of Bloodborne that way.
@@naoiwatani8402 bloodborne they literally left the texts hahahah, dark souls 3 they left other stuff, but removed the texts, probably with a 2014 build we would have all the texts, but as the one I have is from 2015 october, they had already removed that, it's kind of sad, because there are big chunks of texts in bloodborne, but in ds3 they literally threw countless versions in the trash and started developing and finalizing this last version only in 2015. I always reply more fast i can, thanks XD
Can you show Snake Soul in action or just anything about it?? I know the tree spirits in Elden Ring are just reused Snake Soul assets, but still would be cool to see in DS3
Man, being able to see Pontiff actually implemented as the final boss had me giddy. Your Griffith and Lothric ties make perfect sense to me, I'm surprised I've never seen that theory before.
It's because I've been working on it for 2 years XD, as I was going to use it in my mod, I decided not to tell anyone about it until now.
There are more things that Dark Souls 3 used as inspiration, I will still reveal.
Dude kicked my ass enough times for him to feel like it
Oh my fucking god we have the original ending? Badly messed up of course, but what the hell??? This is incredible.
partially we have, If I had more files, maybe I could be complete.
You know, when I take another look at the area you go to fight the old king of the eclipse, it seems like its the kiln of the first flame from ds1. You’re placed in front of a set of steps into a circular arena and, from the small glimpse that i saw when you looked to your left, there were steps going up and around the arena.
Is it possible they were going to reuse the kiln like they did with a part of anor londo? I think it’s possible, and would make sense considering the kiln is technically where we end up in retail, though it looks completely different
Well, let's say this was an ending they tried to give the game in 2015, but it probably wasn't originally the ending they planned, since there is the leaked image of The Know where it has Dreg heap (Broken High Wall) and a giant Pus of Man with flying snakes, they must have tried to do this end of Kiln after taking a Bandai pressure so that ds3 was not the last dark souls, the kiln map of the retail version does not even exist in the Network stress test version of october 2015, 5 months before the game launch, they were still creating the SoC to replace the Old King.
The kiln of the first flame was actually in Dark Souls III in earliy stages, that's kind of crazy. Really interesting insight.
they tried to create this when they abandoned Dreg Heap, in the end they rescued this idea for a dlc
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure "Red Fan" is a Japanese term for reds as in invaders. I have seen it used in Japanese PvP video titles.
I wonder if the third Firelink Shrine is still kicking around in the files somewhere.. the one with the red sky and the giant humanity boss and all that jazz.
No, the third firelink was just a ceremony, the end of the pontiff in firelink was in a kiln identical to the one used in ds1, it is just one of the many things they tried to create in their desperation to deliver the game on time.
This is fascinating. Teleported to the original kiln? And those Lothric connection ideas? Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
Is this the same version of the game where we discover Anor Londo in the Ashen Desert? I thought I remembered hearing one version that was the finale, and in another the end game was against Pontiff in Untended Graves (things have been shuffled around with this game so many times it can be hard to keep track!) Does this version imply that Prince Lothric actually becomes The King of the Eclipse for turning his back on linking the fire? If so, bad ass!
Incredible work, dude! This already feels more complete and cohesive, lore wise, than the retail release. Awesome stuff.
Hi, thanks, yes, in the promo material, only the statue of Yhorm was mentioned as Lord of Cinder, something that was not treated as a group, only as him being the only Iundex of Cinder, something like judge, and we have infos of him guarding the firelink door, but the end would not be in untended graves, it would be in Dreg heap, this part of Kiln in Firelink was after the heavy changes in the gamescon build, the original kiln would probably be at the end of Dreg heap.
@@abyss1ne17 Ah, that makes sense! As from what I remember from that build it was:
Yhorm (retail) > Iudex Gundyr
Gundyr (retail) > Oceirus, The Consumed King
Oceirus (retail) > Dragon Angel
Wolnir (retail) > Yhorm
Loving these vids - keep up the killer work!
@@Justinterpret a, I forgot, about Anor Londo in the desert, I am doing the whole place by hand ruclips.net/video/_vgY4QkNaRk/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/htyHlsAsIeM/видео.html
@@abyss1ne17 Looks BAD ASS. The Anor Londo from the version that you're restoring is much more apocalyptic which fits the original tone. Though, my favorite thing I've seen is primordial Arch Dragon Peak from your Twitter. I legit geeked the f out when I saw the grey fog and giant Arch Tree!
@@Justinterpret I have already left it very different in the last changes, and if Adp is a high place, it should have snow, the lion knights of Farram have Fur on their armor, I really want to create this feeling of end of the world, desolation, Dark Souls 3 has to be the end of all things. I am glad that you liked it, I was going to develop it just to satisfy myself, it was some friends who encouraged me to disclose, I did not expect that there would be public for it.
The arm flipping around reminds me of Buzz light-years arm in the first toy story movie.
ASUHASUHUASHUHASuh oh god, tru
I guess they were unhappy with the storyline or ran out of time and decided to just go with a similar theme to Dark Souls 1 and have it be a pure sequel with you fighting the amalgamation of everyone who linked the fire, including the Chosen Undead. But they had all these assets, so just reused them.
Sad really
Not really reused, but repurposed.
It's really funny to know, that the final boss became a mid-game boss instead, and that a Solaire style NPC became the final fight.
I feel the same, dark souls 3 was so ambitious when ds2, which is full of time travel, this would have lots of maps changing after the eclipse, they decided they didn't have time and money, and changed everything after 2015, or maybe Miazaky didn't like the that he saw, everything goes through his approval, even though he was 100% focused on bb at the time.
@@bigdumbfatcat2869 Indeed!
@@abyss1ne17 We may never know, but at least we can reconstruct
Seeing the kiln got me like
O.. MY.... FUCKIN.... GOOOOOD!
Deepest lore indeed
the pontiff and lothric ties were so cool! thanks for showing this stuff :) keep up the good work!
Thanks for the support, there is still a lot to discover in these files. o/
DUDE! I literally can't put into words how exciting this is. I don't have any modding experience per se, but I'm technical and have some game experience. I'd love to help out with anything, if I can. Offer is out there.
Either way - AMAZING JOB. I swear I spend some time every day thinking about the original Dark Souls 3 story and lore implications series-wide.
I'm glad you liked it, about the help, I have no idea how I could, well, on the project it's just me and a friend who helps when he can, but if you have something that you have more experience with, I don't know, maybe you can make model, or programming, or things like that, edit textures, what do you like to work on the most?
I've been developing Lore for two years now, it's fantastic to think about this stuff, and the more you date it, the more you go back in development and see what was changed.
*_HERDEIRO DO FOGO DESTRUIDO_*
XD
Is that the Kiln from Dark Souls 1?
Yes
@@abyss1ne17 Why though? I don't understand
@@deathbyslipknot This is a change, Dark Souls 3 had numerous versions before the version presented at gamescon, this version with Kiln on the Firelink map was done extremely hastily, it is likely that there was a version of Kiln at the end of Dreg heap, when there was none dlc and the end of the game was an apocalyptic end-of-the-world scenario
So does this mean that the Old King of the Eclipse character was actually a future version of Prince Lothric or something originally? If so, that’s really cool and would be awesome for a final boss.
it was probably the amalgamation of the souls of Lorian and Lothric
Abyss1ne Very interesting, I wonder if it went Beat Princes->Princes resurrected in God’s Grave->Beat Nameless/Wolf/Deacons->Firelink->Beat Old King of the Eclipse
@@abyss1ne17 I've always assumed he would have been a sort of ancient Lord of Cinder brought back to life. You know, he's an "old king", has a crown... maybe he could have been the first Lord of Cinder of Lothric History, who knows...
@@LaMi_fa_cose I understand, but the lords os cinder plot is something very recent, when we go to check the datamining files, they use humanities, everything involving ember, unkindle, was created around 8 months before the game launched, and the game was produced over 4 or 5 years
@@abyss1ne17 Ohh... you've taken me by surprise saying that, because I didn't expect all that plotline was so recent 😲
Then, what these specific Lords were? Just simple powerful beings? Also, how the cut mechanic of the "Heat-up" fits into all this?
I ask you because I'm always been kind of curious to piece together the original story of DS3. I also translated the Japanese texts of all the titles of the trilogy, therefore I want to check out how the ideas fit and all the stuff the developers went through, before the vanilla game.
Nice video man! I would love to see how much of the Klin and other ds1 maps are in the files
Thanks Zepp o/
So Sulliyvan was originally an older Prince Lothric?
Probably
Maybe they were meant to be Lorian and Lothric's father, grandfather, or something.
@Solibrae there's definitely multiple links, either way
The original fucking Kiln?! This is incredible, I look forward to when you release your mod!
its crazy just how much better the story would have been if they kept the pontiff as the old king. it reminds me of missteps in bloodbornes story with older names for the characters making more sense and positioning of bosses. I really wonder who the one who makes these decisions because it seems that every time they change their minds it ends up being the lesser option
I know... I'm at first inclined to think that maybe they ran out of time to implement their ideas. But it would seem to be more time intensive to rearrange everything they had. Maybe they just had shifting ideas thought out development of what this game should be about? Or maybe they get close to the end and play it, only to realize they didn't want to repeat themselves so much with referencing DS1, and so had to change the focus at the end?
I'm freaking out a little bit, but in the best way possible.
o/
But how will you go for snake soul?
Anyway, that kiln of the first flame was awesome. I can't remember where, but I read that originally lothric castle was meant to sit on top of the kiln of the first flame, but also there is this theme of abyss roots growing up, so i dunno
Well, the boss snake soul, I think there were some mistakes across the time, or I could also be wrong, but from what I saw in the attack list, the moves are Torso, left arm, right arm, this looks more like Laurence, the bloodborne boss where he loses his legs and only moves halfway up, which could happen with the Pus of Man from the Gundyr boss, he lost the armor and move out the body, about the giant snake from The Know Leak, I've already taken care of it.
@@abyss1ne17 great!
Holy shit I want this version of the game so badly
Its actually a shame that they didnt made the alpha version to the end after retail was released, would be really cool to see how alpha would look like
11:23
What do you mean by regions?
Entities that serve as a name or actual meshes/collisions?
Regions are boxes made by these blue lines, they demarcate ranges for events, spawns, music, wind sounds and many other things
Very interesting!
This is just fascinating
Thanks o/
When i hear the main menu theme, i suddenly feel happiness. Tbh that would be really cool if soul of cinder got that main menu theme with slight difference, but i guess Gwyn won the bet here. Is there a full version?
Yeah, u can found this song in youtube searching for cut content ds3 song
Well, he could have had the main menu theme for the first phase, and then switch to Gwyn theme for the second phase. That would have worked out
Minha teoria sobre ds3 v1 é que nós, em algum momento, voltariamos no tempo para impedir o Gwyn de "cometer" o primeiro pecado e/ou usurpar a chama pós primeiro pecado.
Quando eu joguei ds3 pela primeira vez, eu fiquei no hype pós vencer todos os lordes das cinzas, que talvez isso aconteceria.
esse jogo mudou tanto, muito mesmo durante a produção, eu também tinha muitas expectativas
Man, this makes so much more sense than what we got. Pontiff would also be a way more interesting final boss (with an added third phase maybe) than Soul of Cinder, which is just so incredibly bland. Literally an amalgamation of the player characters plus Gwyn. Wow, how ingenious.
How is the manifestation of ALL who linked the first flame bland enlighten me? Is has a LOT of significance and is still a very fitting final boss that makes sense. The supreme "player" pretty much. Also its not like they literally copypasted Gwyn moveset. I can agree that maybe Soul of Cinder should have been a secret boss for a ending, or either having Sulyvahn (or well Lothric in this case) as a secret final boss, but Soul of Cinder being bland? Maybe its tecnically "simple" , but doesn't make it bland in automatic
@@eren7kruger129 it’s literally the first thing you would guess that the final souls game would have as the final boss
this is beautiful
thanks, don't go missing the next chapters =]
Lol, what we got in the final game was a downgrade from this. This is much more in Line with the lore
And now I'm even more interested ;)
Is it just me or does Gundyr's pus of man look more like the Wolf demon from Berserk in this version compared to Retail
5:47 Why is it in brazilian portuguese?
Ah well, it is because I am Brazilian. =]
@@abyss1ne17 HUE eu também. Bom trabalho, cara!
@@templarkid. olha ai, alguma hora tinha de aparecer um br pra brilhar entre a galera de fora.
Don't you think that the dialogs and messages doesn't work because your game is in portuguese?
Most of them were never put inside the files until they released the retail version, I already opened the nt version texts, it has more bloodborne and ds1 stuff than ds3 hehe
@@abyss1ne17 maneiro, boa sorte com o mod parça, o potencial é infinito
@@ZargorrOG eu pensei que tinha algo escrito tambem, mas eles mudam tanto a lore que nem vale a pena colocar nos itens e voices, porque eles estao ate 2 meses antes de pressar os discos mudando coisas kkk é bizarro.
so was solaire just chilling in the tutorial area?
I think it was part of a summoning mechanic that bonfire sacrifice had, there are many npcs spread over many maps that have this kind of mechanic cut out, I will check further and see if it was really tied to the bonfire sacrifice [summon npc].
@@abyss1ne17 perhaps they were meant to be npc invaders for the eclipse sacrifice system. would love to see more!
If you switch the text to Japanese maybe you will get the actual text instead of error mesages.
I did, they had already removed everything from all the texts.
the epitaphs only existed in the jp 1.0 version of dark souls 3 because when they moved everything from a dev build to release, they forgot to remove it, the first patch of ds3 removed it from the game. hahahahah
@@abyss1ne17
Thanks for the quick reply.
I only suggested it because I remember Lance being able to get the text of an old build of Bloodborne that way.
@@naoiwatani8402 bloodborne they literally left the texts hahahah, dark souls 3 they left other stuff, but removed the texts, probably with a 2014 build we would have all the texts, but as the one I have is from 2015 october, they had already removed that, it's kind of sad, because there are big chunks of texts in bloodborne, but in ds3 they literally threw countless versions in the trash and started developing and finalizing this last version only in 2015.
I always reply more fast i can, thanks XD
Is fight with pontiff your work? Did you restore it?
Yeah, finally
What is the weapon you're using here? Is this what soul of cinder had on the games cover?
Absolute Champ!
INCREDIBLE STUFF, thank you so much! Immediately subscribed. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Adam, there is still a lot of content to be presented.
I'm sorry, I want to play this mod, but I do not see any link and I do not even know what the name of mod is an I dont see it in nexus mod
This mod is unfinished yet.
yes, Project Eclipse, u will find more info in my Twitter twitter.com/antyherowow
Can you show Snake Soul in action or just anything about it?? I know the tree spirits in Elden Ring are just reused Snake Soul assets, but still would be cool to see in DS3