Assembling The Worst Possible Hearthstone Expansion: Neutrals
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2022
- putting together all the worst cards of all the expansions to make one turbo bad Hearthstone expansion
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Feral Gibber was a staple in token druid during Kobolds and even later. It was so well known that it then had a second printing of it in Scholomance.
No it wasn't. No good list ran that card.
I used a token druid in scholomance with it and it was very usefull. Climbed to diomond for the first time with it and was that deck tier 2 i think.
You're absolutely right, I was in college at the time and remember seeing it in almost every mid rank token druid deck. Sometimes it would absolutely wreck you if you failed to draw any early game before it got buffed on board. Just a true infinite value card at the time
@@DylanSmith-qs2pr Look up any Token Druid deck from that era. From tournament reports, Top Legend lists, etc. Token Druid was a very strong deck that could carry a shit card like Gibbler but it wasn't a "staple" in any of the actually refined lists.
lmfao no it wasnt
I think the way to fix Celestia is to have become a 5/6 copy of the minion your opponent plays while she is in your hand
Or becomes a 5/6, but on board.
Or make her 1 cost 5/6, it’s psudeo disruption later since they basically have to play a lower value minion, or a spell, or face a pretty big threat per cost
Hoping that Rarran or someone organizes a match where you’re only allowed to play cards from this set.
That’d be cool. I think I saw some other commenters say they were running some matches in the format
I'd love to see this for a full year worth of cards then rope people into playing decks only with your theoretical sets.
I’ve thought about that too but I think there are probably only about 3 people on the planet willing to craft the cards necessary. Something to think about for the future though :)
@@mrchundo craft? I have all these
@@mrchundo o these bad cards r all I get from packs nonetheless
Ganarg Glaivesmith is surprising. Pretty sure that card was part of a really really solid budget aggro list at some point. Maybe not great but hardly "worst card" material.
Yeah it’s really hard to pick those demon hunter cards
@@mrchundo imo Kryxis (did not make the cut in full aggro DH) or Kor'vas (I don't think I have EVER seen her played except for random generation) instead of Stelina (who wasn't great but anecdotally saw more experimentation), and Gan'arg could be replaced by something like Keen Reflexes (since Gan'arg was only ever in budget lists but I don't think Keen Reflexes made it onto *any* lists).
Anyways stuff like this is fun for seeing what other people judge as the worst anyways. You can argue stuff like "is Flame Leviathan worse than Antonidas 2.0?"
Flame Leviathan is objectively worse, but Antonidas was worse relative to the time period it was released.
On that note of 'just for fun', I think Helbrim was at least tried out which is more than Fleetrunner or Hooktusk 1.0 can say for themselves in Rogue can say. Rounding out my takes, I'd say Fearsome Doomguard also isn't as bad as Wrathguard or any of the Warrior rares are as bad as Cursed Blade, both of which could actively lose you the game via random generation.
I want to see a tournament of these cards only. Maybe ask the redit.
Feral Gibberer was actually a pretty good card in token druid, I climbed legend w it, you emptied your hand so fast that getting extra cards was very valuable
Thanks for the insight. There’s certainly some (or a lot of) blind spots in my HS knowledge so it’s always nice to learn something
@@mrchundo hmmmmmmmmmm hengngnngngng smh.
So crazy to see that literally every card here is old, filler cards like worgen greaser and amgam rager would just never be printed anymore. Honestly we might not get any new editions to this list ever again.
Yeah I try to bias myself a bit toward newer cards because I think it’s more impressive when a new card is bad so this list should probably be even MORE old cards. Shoutout Two-Faced Investor though.
i'd love to see explanations for the other classes, its more fun when you get to hear about them rather than just looking at a list
Alright good to know. I wasn’t sure how people felt. Learning process
rastakhan's knights of the old gods of gadgetzan
love the thumbnail
I don't think mayor nogenfogger can allow minions to attack allies so ferral gibberer can't hit your hero
11:10 I remember when I first saw Deathaxe Punisher I read it as “Give a random minion +2/+2 and lifesteal” so I thought the downside was that it might hit an opponent’s minion. That was fine with me, I could play a board-based deck to ensure it always landed on my side. After I played it for the first time, I read the card again and promptly took it out of the deck
honestly i didnt expect this raw sense of humor to catch me in a video like this, overall great video
thank u : )
@@mrchundo no, thank you for creating this video C:
To be fair, gurubashi chicken is a deliberate shitpost lol
I thought I remembered a strong aggro shaman deck use spellzerker well
All of the effort you put into this gave me a chuckle :D Thanks for giving us a trip down Hearthstone's history of cards that had absolutely no impact in any format.
Thanks! What a nice comment!
@@mrchundo avoiding the giber comments like ice rager avoids hero powers are we?
Thank you for letting me know that blubber Barron exists. He will be added to my infinite shudderwock/macaw/farmer deck asap.
remember me when you hit rank 1 legend
Dude I just binged all your vids keep doing what your doing man. Chill voice + insightful commentary has got me hooked!
What a nice comment! I read these throughout the day and this one made me smile
algorithm brought me here, and damn i am glad.
watched all of your videos, good stuff man keep it up!
Thanks! Glad you like them. Not really sure why the algorithm has taken a liking to this video but it sure makes the graphs in my analytics page look funny
I appreciate that.
awesome concept dude! Can't wait for the classes
Felsoul inquisitor is pretty good. It gets really good when buffed
*2 attack 6 health hm*
I have actually managed to make a 30 health Ozoruk, and my opponent was so impressed he conceded.
I would love to see another video like this in the other classes
Although terrible I kinda like the boogeymonster, for some reason I remember winning a game because of it but it could have been in an solo adventure, but I think one way they could save it is by adding “if this minion survives damage restore it to full health” now it’s a win con that can be unstoppable if your opponent can’t one shot it or silence it.
Oh I love the boogeymonster too. It’s a shame the name and artwork went to a kinda underwhelming effect
I remember when I saved up 3200 dust and looking at all the pretty golden animations-accidentally forgot to hit undo in Ozruk🗿
These cards aren’t even bottom of the barrel, they’re the slimy residue left in there after you fish out the bottom of the barrel cards.
LOL
this is some good content, i'd love to see more in this vein
Thank you! I’ll keep it up!
Really fun video and concept. I'd love to see someone (Not me. I'm not crafting these cards.) make a format out of playing only cards from this "expansion", plus maybe 10 classic or basic cards to just add a bit more cohesion and deck theme. Seems interesting. What is the staple in a format of horrible cards?
Yeah it's something to think about for sure. I feel like with how little removal there would be in this expansion, it probably comes down to who goes first.
You know what'd be really cool, a tournament where only these cards are allowed
For the longest time I thought two-faced investors text meant the amount that it discounts has 50% chance to increase. That was until I played it in arena and it was even more disappointing than I was expecting
I just found your videos for accident and must say amazing content ! Good luck!
Any9ne else wanna see a tournament where the players can only use cards in this set
both spell shifter and spellshifter saw a SMALL amount of play, more spelshifter in even rogue
Interesting. The more you know
Never have I asked of a card “why the hell does this exist” more than deathaxe punisher.
Super cool video, love to see more from you :D Subbed!
thanks : )
I would be interested in a video explaining the thought process behind the others!
Thanks! I’ll keep that in mind
I do remember mark use Generous mummy + Silas Darkmoon to do several shannanigan.
*Shows “young dragonhawk”
… the way he says “I’m kiddingggg… don’t play that cardddd”
I've come to defend Feral Gibberer, he has swinged many arena matches into a victory for me
I’ve come to learn from this comment section that I have disrespected the gibbs
I'd love to see this for the other classes
I’ll keep that in mind
the legendary from kharazan that shuffles 5 legendary cards into your deck should be on here you don't even have to draw it for it to start negatively impacting your chances of winning
I want someone to use this in like a video, like "Playing with the worst possible expansion", play with 3 classes etc
Harbinger Celestial had a cool idea though. If your opponent was only running big minions, or maybe one specific big minion, they can't really play it since you'll get the minion as well. And even if they have small minions it'll at least delay them. Theres the slight issue, though, that, your Harbinger Celestial transformed into a big enemy... Now what? It probably triggered some amazing Battlecry like doubling the stats of all cards in the enemy hand, meanwhile you got a 4 Mana Assassinate since you can kill the minion your opponent summoned. That's... Okay, I guess?
But in actuality, Blizzard predicted the rise of the No Minion Hunter archetype and figured we needed a way to fight back with a 4 Mana 5/6 Stealth.
4 mana 2/2 spell damage +2 did actually see play in burn mage but it did require you to have like ice lance ice lance frostbolt frostbolt to really be worth it
Yeah I remember I didn’t include Evolved Kobold because of that and I guess Spell Zerker is more flexible than it. Probably a mistake
I can only speak from wild and early standard experience but the following cards actually saw play in non meme decks:
- Grook Fu Master was in early odd rogue builds before the curve lowered down and found better 5 costs to play.
- Feral gibberer also saw play with his brother the Gibberling in token druid
- Nat, the Darkfisher in early renolocks because it was a good tempo play on T2
- Gan'arg glaivesmith i was actually really good in odd DH in wild, even after the early nerfs to the class
- Evolving Spores was played as a 1 of in both the minion and the spell based token druid
- Anomalus has been in reno mages before the switch to Quest Reno mage in wild since it had lifesteal with the hero
- Adaptation used to see play in odd Paladin because they really needed cheap buffs
- Jade shuriken was in that tempo rogue with the many petals that saw play even after Un Goro in standard and also well Jade Rogue
- Curse of Rafaam has been a tech card for slow warlock every time Quest mage or secret mage was in the meta
- Hobart Grapplehammer has always been the 30th card in many Pirate Warriors until they got the anchor and therefore not wanting 4 weapons in the deck
I could make a deck for each of these cards and they would be competitive. One mans trash is another mans treasure. Love using cards that most people think are useless
there is temporoars that priest dragon, and that awful druid leg, that basically give your opponent the win. the worst thing about celestial is that it has one of the best board entrances of the entire game
Holy cow hilarious video, glad I found this channel
I’m glad u did too
14:43 stats really gave me a new perspective on the game
No colisseum manager? :0
I've used nat the darkfisher pretty efficiently in mill rogue
loved the humour, please do the other classes
Thanks!
Argent watchman is actually better than coliseum manager imo. Choosing not to hero power when you have nothing better to do, or floating mana, just feels absolutely terrible.
It's definitely close. I guess at the end of the day I would rather feel compelled to not Hero Power than feel compelled to Hero Power.
I love this kinda video! You got a new sub 🙏🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
why sinful brand is in the list?
Deathaxe Punisher was super fun with Jeklik as its effect only hiring lifesteal made it almost guaranteed to hit the right card and was super fun. Still never good but oh well
argent watchman my beloved
May dark fisher is for mill decks
Just got this vid reccomended, algorithm might have picked you up cuz i dont watch HS vids normally
Great vid btw, subbed
First, thanks! Glad you liked it.
Second, that is interesting about the algorithm. I have noticed that this video has gotten several times the number of impressions as my whole channel.
But spellshifter was good for the standard meta at the time. I often times think of him as what well designed cards look like since he's flexible and hard to remove but not overwhelming due to the switch mechanic
You know what? That’s actually a very nice point. I also love those types of versatile cards generally so maybe I was a bit too harsh
Sounds good on paper, was power crept by cards from previous sets tho
@@theendofthestart8179 Was still a staple in even decks, even if they were outclassed by op odd decks and cubelock
@@TW-fs3fj being IN a deck doesnt make a card good, the ONLY reason it was there was because of the extreme restrictions on the deck building. and i really wouldnt call it a staple, just run bloodmage thalanos instead, way better
@@theendofthestart8179 Spellshifter is a well balanced card. Stop malding so hard
Spellzerker saw play when it came out
i wish you said what expansion the cards came from
It's shown on the cards
Here's an idea to give Celestia justice. Should she even come back, her new form should be "Battlecry: Transform two minions in in your opponent's hand into Harbinger Celestia.
sounds way too strong and not fun to play or play against since after 1 or 2 uses every minion in both hands becomes Celestia and then the only minions that can really impact the game from that point are topdecks. Crazy disruption against combo decks, and basically just turns the game into a topdeck fiesta
Don Hancho was really playable at the time, a lot of the gadgetzan battelcry buff cards were good at the time but probably shit now.
Excuse me nat the darkfisher is a staple in my mill rouge
Dark Fisher Nat was used in some mill rogues. Not terrible
Hemet is the best card in the game I’m very disappointed he appeared on this list.
spelllzerker saw competitive play im pretty sure
Putting deathaxe punisher AND felsoul inquisitor into this theoretical set, almost makes them playable.
Bet everyone had to go figure out what those are cards are…
It’s not a bad combo
Yeah, I'm definitely gonna build these decks and play it vs a friend. Will report results
Note that this is not an official endorsement to use 1600 dust to craft Hemet Nesingwary
@@mrchundo So far the biggest issue we've run into is the fact that the set does not have enough synergy to make a few of the cards work: It is literally impossible for the paladin or warlock quest to be achieved, there's no murloc for tinyfin caravan, there's no weapon for suckerhook, no fire spell for antonidas etc. I think it goes against the design ideas of the hearthstone team to have a set be literally unplayable in itself. We're still tryna make it work tho lol
Update: We played a few matches and tempo rogue was the dominant deck. Gibberer is the biggest defining force in the format, next to the very powerful Deathaxe Punisher + Felsoul Inquisitor combo. It's actually a pretty healthy format, it just currently struggles because all the decks feel pretty similar. Probably would be playable with more class cards!
@@MrWhirlywind Yeah there are a couple problems with a format of just these cards. For one, you are using one expansion for the format rather than the 3-6 we usually have in Standard rotation. A second issue is that the expansion has to be both bad enough to be very bad but also cohesive enough to resemble an actual expansion. For someone such as myself who has no experience designing a Hearthstone expansion, that second part of actually having cohesion is pretty difficult. I am glad you are having fun with it.
@@MrWhirlywind Man I knew I gave Rogue too many good ones lmao. This is really great to read this. Would you be cool if I posted these comments on my community page? Would you prefer your username removed or anything?
You added galvadon but didn't add 6 paladin spells to it lol
Well, if most of your cards have terrible stats for the cost or just terrible stats, boogey is kinda good, because you can't realistically contest it.
It's bad in normal hearthstone because you don't really play minions with very bad stats, but in this expansion-possibly a good card if not countered by poisonous
A good point. Who should get in over it? Skeleton Knight maybe?
@@mrchundo well, I don't really know.
You've made a terribly great work of picking the best of the worst cards.
Actually, because you've chosen the worst cards depending on the current HD state, it was kinda bad to nitpick, because your criteria, I think, was "the worst card in the current HS", not "the worst card in the meta the expansion would create".
Also don't hurt my skelly Boi, he would return once again
Wow that set of Neutrals was truly horrible. Good job chundo!
no way ozruk is worse than Majordomo Executus.
I would love videos for the other classes!
Ozruk is awful but I'll never forget using it in my elemental mage deck against a quest rogue and making them insta concede when I summoned a 5/35 lol
This was a good idea :)
thanks :3
Funny how one card from this set got nerfed lol
Sinful brand got nerfed into the ground, funny seeing it on the worst cards for demon Hunter
Are you in a library
Yeah sorry about that, gotten a few comments on the quietness and I’ll try to fix it in the future. But the ambiance in this library is fantastic
Did you post this on reddit
Yep!
i feel as tho worgen greaser is the worse no text, all the other stat lines are ether ok for cost, like faceless behemoth is ok off of conjers calling or pitfiter being good in arena back in the day, even am'gam rager is ok as a buff target even if it is abysmal but worgen greaser is bad by itself as it dies to a 2 drop and things like lightning bolt and frostbolt but also never trades up as 6 is too low to get 6 cost and up while both these days and back in witchwood 5 drops and 6s had stuff they did or didnt see play meaning your 4 tradeing 1 for 2 with a azure drake sucked very very hard
i remember back in nax there was There was experimenting with stone skin gargoyle in paladin as a recipient of buffs it was okay when it was just Stone skin and later when avenge came out it definitely bosted the deck even if Stone skin was cut for being mediocre, To be clear Stone skin definitely belongs on the list just waxing nostalgic about the old days of this game
blubber barron worked like 3-4 years ago in mid tier pally in wild as an ok build around, much more that battlecrys are good rather then the barron but hes prob not the worst
Generally I do agree with you fartface, but Worgen Greaser did actually receive a buff in the last April Fools patch that stuck, and it is now a 6/4. But definitely original 6/3 worgen greaser can get on here. 3 health is baaaaad
death axe had like 2-3 things it could hit depending on class in the game back in KotFT so not even enough total much less good lifesteal worth playing
cards like vaid doomayer are fun becuase they are bad, have good memories of being forced to pick him in arena and making it work
PLZ MAKE MORE L IKE THIS DROPPED A SUB
I APPRECIATE THAT; I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT UP
I've played a lot of arena throughout Hearthstone's history and the point made about Coliseum Manager is spot on.
Most of these cards are cards I remember being unpickable in arena as well as being bad in constructed and are well-deserving of their spots. I do want to say that Venomancer was a decent arena card in its time as it was from early enough in the game's history that most neutral 5 drops were 4/6s which it matched up well against. There was also the dream of it sniping a Hungry Ettin or a Sleepy Dragon as well. You weren't jumping for joy to pick it, but you also didn't mind picking up one or two.
Thanks for pointing this out. Arena is something I’m not terribly experienced in so I usually need to defer to experts to figure out what is bad
Validated Doomsayer actualy is Very goood card. Even OP in some Rogue decks after "United in stormwind" was released.
Even its base power good enough. And it's downside isn't that bad. Usualy opponent still spends removal spell.
Ok. Why is validated doomsayer is OP? Because "meat wagon" 4mana1/4 minion from "knights of frozen throne" with deathrattle: summon a minion from your deck with less attack than this minion. Remember, meat wagon have 1 attack and validated doomsayer have 0 attack. Have 4 mana 1/4 mech with deathrattle "summon 7/7 minion" is olready very good, but validated doomsayer accidently get even more sinergies, lets continue.
In "united in stormwind" we have a 3 mana spell "sketchy information" with effect: draw a deathrattle minion that costs 4 or less, trigger its deathrattle. What an incredible coincidence, meat wagon is a deathrattle minion that costs 4. We can summon validated doomsayer from sketchy information. On turn 3 7/7 minion.
BUT. If we have sketchy information and preperation(0 mana spell: next spell this turn costs 2 less) in our hand on turn 1, we can summon Validated Doomsayer on turn 1! And have summoned 7/7 on turn 1 IS scary. And it is better than summon "korrak the bloodrager", usual target of sketchy information.
Some of these are actually serviceable in arena and shouldn’t be on the list imo. Anything with at least vanilla stats with no downside (e.g. a 2-mana 2/3) isn’t that bad and can at least be good tempo when played on curve.
you are a cool guy
i try
Algorithm bout to make this video pop off
I have already started wearing aviators and a leather jacket. It's all gone to my head.
I fell asleep to the commentary what did i miss?
Fun video! Although I reccomend speaking a little louder or upping your speaking volume, it's a bit hard to hear you
Thanks! That actually helps a lot. I was wondering if I was too quiet when editing.
@@mrchundo Glad I could help! You’re not unbearably quiet, but there are times where I have to pay close attention to make out what you say
Idk which cards are good and bad in this vid
It’s supposed to be all of them but as commenters have pointed out, I’ve made a couple mistakes
grave shambler saw play as like a bootleg hench clan thug in like one build of even rogue that got to legend but it was still kinda bad in that deck
Weird that you'd put all of this together and then not actually create any kind of deck and play a few sample games with it to show just how awful it actually is.
The lack of any practical application effectively turns this into a bad theorycrafting video with no real pay-off for the viewer.
"What if we used all of this stuff? Well, just imagine it with me because I'm not going to show you what it would be like!"
All of that combined with the "I'm scared to wake the baby because I've had a really long day" monotone whisper made this regrettable to watch.
Put these bad decks together, actually show some gameplay, and drink a Red Bull before your next video. Suddenly, you have a rare niche place in an oversaturated Hearthstone content market and you'll blow up.
I appreciate the feedback; I really need it. I hadn’t really considered including gameplay because channels I’ve based my content on like Rank10YGO, TheDuelLogs, etc. don’t but Hearthstone being a digital only card game makes it more reasonable to include gameplay.
I’ve also seen a few comments now on my volume (or lack thereof) and that should be a pretty easy fix.
The monotone voice might be a little more challenging since that’s sort of the way I normally talk.
But again, thanks for the feedback. It’s like when teachers comment on your essay. It really helps for the next one.
@@mrchundo Glad that you took it to heart and are considering making adjustments. A lot of people these days immediately combat criticism and get defensive instead of considering that the other person may have a valid point that's worth looking into. The fact that you took it well earned you a sub.
Anyhow, I really think that you have the potential for something great here because every Hearthstone channel is just a boring clip show of the same 4 poorly-aging streamers providing over-the-top reactions to impress their chat and keep their subs. This is probably the first original idea I've seen tied to the game in years. If you made the first half of a video this theorycrafting and showed the cards, and then the second half of a video the practical application part where you play a game with these disaster decks (which is a name you can steal and use by the way, because that sounds really catchy,) I think that you'll have something really hilarious here that people haven't seen in Hearthstone before. And you'd have people rooting for you if you actually managed to pull off a win with these D- decks. With some creative editing for your matches, that emphasize the highlight moments, you could be huge because people are desperate for something new.
And it's not so much your voice; it's actually soothing and sounds fine. There's just a lack of energy in your cadence. People who watch RUclips have gotten used to this kind of performative news anchor voice where words get pitchy for the sake of emphasis. I think a small adjustment to your delivery would help immensely and it probably wouldn't take much effort. Just don't try to force it. If it sounds unnatural, then you'll come across like those early RUclipsrs who felt the need to sound as extreme as possible, and nobody wants that.
Worst expansion its a boomsday project.
When I was counting up how many of the worst cards were in each expansion, Boomsday Project was at 0 for a while and I couldn’t figure it out. Then, boom! Harbinger Celestia, Unpowered Mauler, etc.