@@nisha-ve3dj hahahahahaah! Hurrem was never deviil! Mustafa lost because he was weakk and liiar! Mustafa openly defied and ignored orders of Suleiman multiple times, lied on many things-including his wedding. He also threattened Hurrem many times, he was also aware that his allies formed a secret group aiming to dethrone Suleiman and he gave them gifts and monney, instead of doing something. Sulleiman warned him many times to stop crossing the line- watch episode 100, but Musfafa still continued being rebbbell. So he got his end! Get over it!
"No one is innocent", finally someone called it out loud. I know, the character of Hurrem here, is not at all angelic nor she acts as one self-righteous person. But the rest of them did the same things too. Tortured innocent people, killed them or made them kill someone else.But they act as they are Holier-than-thou, pure as snow. They just can not take Hurrem because she played their politics better than them.
Honestly yes. I get it in Mahidevran's case because of her experiences, but Hürrem was definitely one of the people who was the most honest with herself.
Fatma herself is very cruel. She was more interested in killing her nephews than killing Hurrem. She tried to kill her nephews just to see Hurrem in pain. And also in the end, she is shamelessly wishing for the death of her nephews.
Fake love. All the sisters (except Beyhan) they only love Mustafa while the other prince are just subtitutes. Even she did not want to held responsible for Hurricihan as she was the one who conspire with her niece's murderer. I hope Beyhan will punish her for the negligence.
The show never really touched on it, but, yeah, this is a big part of why I always found the insistence of Suleiman's sisters for Mustafa to ascend so chilling. Barely any of them, outside of Fatma, acknowledged that, in order for that to happen, their other nephews would have to die.
I don't understand how all of Suleiman's sisters made Hurrem out to be this completely evil person when they were genuinely no better than her. They were willing to do literally anything to take her down. Hurrem isn't perfect, nor did she claim to be, but she didn't deserve the constant attacks from Hatice, Şah, and Fatma.
Their problem was that they could not go again Suleiman when he existed them so they blamed hurrem, hurrem did not cause others death, she only had hand in Mustafa death but not the other, but they blamed her for every death.
1:30 It’s SO satisfying to know that Suleiman knew Hurrem was not angel or innocent and always loved her and respected her despite her flaws or sins, because of her great love and absolute loyalty towards him. And I agree with him-No one is innocent. Hurrem’s enemies acted like they were angels and Hurrem devil, but we all know they were just looking for excuses for losing again and again.🤗
Absolute loyality.........how egoistic of sultan.........He was suppose to do justice but all he thought was about himself.......his sultanate , his loyality, his priorities,.......he could never had guts enough to punish Hurrem for her sins........Mustafa was also loyal, more loyal than Hurrem but he got killed...........so loyality was probably an excuse.....to hide his own weaknesses......m judging sultan based on this drama.......maybe there could b something else, .......but killing Mustafa n Ibrahim is true and sultan cannot escape this.
I love that Suleiman knows that Hurrem is not an angel nor innocent in many ways and that he is telling his sister Fatma that he doesn’t expect anyone to be perfect but he does expect loyalty. He isn’t perfect either but I love how he acknowledges that while Hurrem’s absolute loyalty to him is mostly self-serving, Hurrem is loyal. Hurrem is smart, she knows absolute loyalty to Suleiman is what will keep her and her children safe as long as they aren’t stupid.
In my opinion in this love that Hürrem for him and their children remember his mother Valide Hafsa Sultan. She was as Hürrem: she did everything for her children
Hurrem never once claimed innocent. But this proves Suleiman knew she was loyal. She was always loyal to him. His family always hated her for being more loved by him then they were.
@@krystasites9034 Historically it was a lie, okay then hurrem tried to kill mustafa several times. Imagine if ibrahim or Mustafa tried? Hurrem would have died long ago
Hurrem once said: I only fought to protect my sons from sure death, not to make one of them ascend the throne, because it would mean to lose Suleiman the meaning of my life. Its very hard for Suleiman to lose Hurrem because she feeds his ego.
You are right except for "she feeds his ego" they both loved each other Suleiman didn't break the traditions to marry her for nothing,he gave her equal respect and power.
Hurrem loved power, not suleyman. From the very begginig in the harem, she swore to her dead mother she would became the most powerful woman in the world. She wanted to have only sons, when she had mihrima she hated her at first. And she was loyal to suleyman because he was the source of her power, she made him kill mustafa with lies, and didn’t care about suleyman’s great sufgering and grief.
@@verataboada At the start it was about power, but later on it becomes about keeping the love of her life alive. this is shown when Suleiman goes into a coma. She carries around a vial of poison because she cares about living with him, not about praying for his downfall for one her son's to succeed him like Mahidevran did. She loved him more than the power he gave her.
@@katsmit8032 that is because she was afraid to death about her fate, she knew mustafá would not have mercy on her, her sons were too young and had no supporters. If she truly loved suleyman, she would noy have posioned his mind about his beloved son, she made him killed mustafá, ibrahim and hatice, even if she liked them or not, they were loved by suleyman and he suffered a lot when they died by his hand. But she didn’t care about that because she wanted to be the most powerful women in the empire.
Mahidvran wasn't brave enough to confess to that because Mehmet had after all been their nephew. Even if Mihrimah had told her she would dismiss it as another one of Hurrem's schemes to turn Mihrimah against her half_brother
@@ummehabibagilani5371 In all fairness if we're going to count the failed attempts then surely Mahidvran strated it? She went crazy when Hurrem was pregnant with Mehmet and didn't want a prince other than Mustafa to be born so she poisoned her and it was sheer luck that Sulieman was with her AND hadn't eaten the poison himself so he was able to call the doctor. Of course, Hurrem almost did the same thing, but she stopped when she saw gow much Sulieman wanted the child. To her his happiness was worth the rick of having another prince that wasn't hers
I LOVE how all the enemies of Hurrem who were truly evil, called Hurrem devil and witch, only because they couldn’t reach the level of her intelligence and she defeated them all. They kept doing all evil things to Hurrem, to Suleiman and to their children, but as they didn’t have 1/1000 brains Hurrem had, they always lost to her.🤭
Exactlyyyy finally someone says it, They did a lot of evil things. But always act like Hurrem is the evil one, They always threw the first stone and were just angry she always outsmarted them, example: when fatma finally gets caught trying to kill Hurrem. She is still saying how evil Hurrem is and how she has done so much evil. Seriously. You just literally tried to kill Hurrem and you are talking bout her been evil,…. No shame, If anyone forgot fatma was the one who murdered Afife. While trying to murder Hurrem.
HISTORY COMMENT (for those interested): All the murderous plots against Hurrem by Suleyman's sisters in seasons 3 and 4 are fiction. The real Hurrem Sultan had cordial relationships with Suleyman's mother and all his sisters in real life. The changes in these sisterly relationships from friendly and helpful (especially Hatice-Hurrem) from the first 2 seasons to hateful and murderous in the last seasons are from the tragic loss of Meral Okay, who died of cancer in April 2012. She was the award-winning creator/developer of this series and wrote episodes 1-56. Then, a male writer, Yilmaz Sahin, took over in seasons 3 and 4 and used these hateful plots between the women that bordered on misogymy. Personally, I found I missed the friendship between Hurrem and Hatice a lot. In real life, they were friends and Hatice's daughter is buried in Hurrem's mausoleum, a sign of collegial family relations. Remember that Ibrahim was *not married* to Suleyman’s sister, Hatice, in real life. They had no romantic relationship at all. Ibrahim was not Suleyman’s brother-in-law and all the children born to Hatice in this TV fictionalized relationship are fiction as well. Therefore, Hatice (or any of Suleyman’s sisters) had no reason whatsoever to hate Hurrem because of Ibrahim’s execution ordered by Suleyman in March 1536.
I have heard that all of the sisters of Suleiman hated Hürrem ín real too. Because they were borned sultanas. Hürrem was only a slave. But She reached higher positions with help of the real love Than them. The borned sultanas were wifes of pashas. Not a king. They were ín real only princess and Hürrem was a queen. An exslave.😊And they weren't ín love. They had bad mariiages. Sahu huban was attacked by Lütfi pasha. Ibrahim had a second wife. And lived together a killer. Because Ibrahim killed 1000 Hungarians after the warg. Why? Because he wanted to kill them. Many of them he killed his own hands. Hatice had an absolutely happy life....😢 They were all jealous
@@gloriabija2068Hürrem had different relationships with different sisters. With Hatice she had a good relationship,but Hatice was a better friend with Mahidevran, with whom she exchanged letters and in one of such letters Mahidevran expressed gratitude for Hatice's support for Mustafa. Fatma's relationship with Hürrem was intense, she was involved in intrigues, was loved by janissaries and according to some versions she had hands in removing Rüstem from the position of grand Vizier and installing her husband instead, which enraged Hürrem and Mihrimah and had Ahmed pasha killed, Fatma started intriguing against Hürrem and she was banished from capital. Beyhan had a very neutral attitude, her husband was executed earlier in Süleiman's reign and she spent the rest of her life in voluntary exile. Sah had the closest relationship with Hürrem, they shared political and social views and did a lot of charity together. Only her relationship with Fatma was done more or less(mostly less) correctly in the series.
@@gloriabija2068are you a kid bro? What kinda comment was that? CringE AF! And where have you “heard”? Unless you’re a witch or something that talks to ghosts. And don’t talk of real love as Suleiman had many concubines ‘til his death bed.
This was the best and only good scene of Fatma the fact that she admitted everything she did knowing full well that Suleiman would have probably executed her deserves respect, Hafsa, Hatice and Sha were cowards that always hided their evil deeds, the only problem was that once again she blames Hurrem 🙄🙄 like did she forget that Mustafa send her here to sabotage Hurrem or that she manipulated Bayezid and Selim against each other knowing full well they would have probably killed each other ( her own blood) Still great scene and dialogue
I never liked Rustem, although I wonder did things really play out like this in their true lives? I wouldn’t think Hurrem had this much drama in her actual lifetime. With Mustafa was he really going against Suleiman or was it just rumors and that’s why Suleiman regretted killing his son? Although from what I read Suleiman actually watched and egged on the executioners.
Ibrahim was arrogant enough to declare to people behind Sulieman's back that he was the real ruler of the Empire. Sulieman put up with it for a long time before he decided enough was enough. Hatice committed suicide because she couldn't deal with not being the darling apple in her brothers eyes anymore. She also knew that once she was found to be the one responsible for Hurrem being kidnapped, she'd be killed anyway. She wasn't going to give Sulieman the chance to be the one to do that. Mustafa may not have committed real treason, but he was still a loose cannon. He knew people were plotting to overthrow his father but did nothing to stop them. That makes him an accomplice of treason at the bare minimum. Not to mention he kept doing things behind his father's back, and when caught couldn't understand why his father was mad at him. As for Cihangir, he only died because he had a rather weird love complex for his brother. And when he died, Cihangir essentially let himself rot away because of guilt. Mustafa's death was not his fault, but he decided to take up the guilt anyway. If anything, Fatma should be blamed for Cihangir's death since she got him involved in the first place.
Chi hanger was a little traitor. He was a,so a spy for Mustafa and very gossip troll. Couldn’t wait to run and tell fatma about Miriam’s divorce. I don’t like this character He acted all high and mighty but he was no better than the rest,
@@WompwompPI Well I like hatice but she was responsible for what happened to her! Suleiman always loved her more than anything..She was one of people suleiman loved the most..But she ruined it herself..She should've moved on and start a new life with her children but she didn't..She chose to mourn forever for her cheater husband..Silly girl loved her cheater husband more than everything, more than her mother, more than her brother even more than her children and expect her brother to love her more than his family, his wife, his children!🌚
Mustafa always did things without Suleiman's permission .This made him distrustful and suspicious for Suleiman. and They did not understand that this war was not about power but about intelligence.
@Eralp Erikci Well actually you must watch the series carefully and take your own advice 🙄 Hurrem WAS NOT THE ONE WHO POISONED THE CAFTAN....Watch again, carefully this time like you suggested to others 🙄
@Eralp Erikci she knew after.... it was done beforehand without her knowledge...quit telling people who have watched the series to watch carefully, when you yourself stated inaccuracies without proper viewing.
@Eralp Erikci " focus on the main point???"...you literally start of your point with an inaccuracy than tell people to "watch carefully" ..... get real
I like the way Fatma Sultan looks Suleiman in his eyes & calls him a murderer. She looks beautiful in her defiance, & graceful in her departure from the royal palace, heavy With tragedy & grief.
The murrderer was Selim- Fatma’s father. He tried killing Suleiman for throne many times. Alsooo Fatma tried killing Hurrem’s sons Bayazid and Selim to give mustafa throne. So the most eviil was Fatma and she LOST! She left as 🤡 she was 🤣🤣🤣
Fatma was the one murrderer and complete 🤡🤡 She left embarrrassed😂😂 She tried killing Hurrem’s sons and Hurrem many times so she had nuthing to speak here 😂
Suleiman spoke FACTS! Hurrem was not angelic or totally innocent, no one was. But Hurrem loved Suleiman and her children more than her life, power, wealth, titles. She would give everything to keep them safe. Meanwhile everyone else was fighting to dethrone Suleiman and take his place. And same people called Hurrem evil! The Audacity! 🙄🙄
Hurrem married her daughter to an old man without mihrimah's interest because rustem is pasha. She needs his power. Hurrem stood with Sulaiman because she knew, If he became dethroned then her era will end. Both hurrem & others are equally evil. But Sulaiman protects hurrem only, which is injustice to people as a ruler
So did fatma she also spoke facts None are innocent uts funny how some can justify hurrem crimes and not the others Finally sulaiman was not a very good ruler for his people he didn't leave a good future sultan to take his place At the end it's all about power forget brothers sisters sons or daughters or friend
@@reshnasuresh7527 This is the point. People are blaming here and there. It is actually get set by suleman himself. It is very interesting to see that he knew every thing, but at the same he would become judge and make all decision in favor of hurrem. In fact he knew hurrem is winning haram war and which means his throne will be safe. Simple fact. In addition to that, if he ever felt that hurrem is no more useful to him, he would have not hesitated to kill her as well.
@@ahmadhesham3849 Yes, all of her enemies thought the same thing and that's why they couldn't defeat her. If she wanted the throne, she would have tried to do it when Sah set that trap for her back in Episode 85 or 86. When Sah secretly had word sent that the Sultan was injured and that Mustafa was coming to claim the throne, she expected Hurrem to put Bayezid on the throne in response. But Hurrem's instinct was to protect her sons instead of trying to elevate one of them to the throne. Hurrem had a lot of faults, but her love for the Sultan was absolute..even more than her love for her children.
When Hurrem does evil: All curses and insults are thrown at her. Her enemy called her as evil, sinner and witch. As if only Hurrem was demon in that palace But when it comes from themselves: Blame Hurrem in their acts, pretend as victim in the game of Hurrem. There is no consciousness at all in them. They forget who changed Alexandra La Rossa from a cheerful girl to heartless and cruelness
Overall Hürrem owns her own misdeeds in a way that her enemies more often than not outright refuse to do. Each always insists on innocence, that they would never have to act if not for the "witch", whereas Hürrem faces exactly what she did each time.
@@xyz-df6xm Hürrem believed Leo dead until his sudden appearance and then did all she could to do right by him while remaining loyal to Suleiman. This argument is weak, I have to say.
@@Redluna32 she believed leo dead, therefore she immediately fell in love with Suleman, hahaha. There was also another women called sadike , learn from her , what love is.
It’s funny how Fatma mourning “sultana” actually believed that she would belittle Hurrem Sultan in Suleiman’s eyes, but Suleiman zipped her foul mouth with truth 1:30 on his Queen Hurrem! ❤️
She gave back as good as she got! A true daughter of Yavuz Sultan Selim. ‘What are you going to do if I don’t shut up? Throw me in the fire like so many innocent others” Good on you, sultana of delight and smiles! You showed a steel backbone, better than Hattice and intriguing Sah-U-Huban, although her plan to get Roxelana exiled was masterly (another plot device, don’t fall for it).
@@annatamparow4917 Selim who? 🤣 The one who tried killing Suleiman for throne many times? Fatma tried to pit her nephews against each other too, for mustafa to get throne! Fatma was biggest evil!
I think everyone forgets, that mustafa openly defied and ignored the orders of the Sultan multiple times. He even was aware that his allies formed a group with a task to dethrone the current sultan but he did nothing of it. Suleiman was right here. Fatma is delusional
Fatma said like the throne is not big deal at all. Throne is symbol of power and stability. If monarch just gave up their throne easily, the throne lost its prestige and people who has some power will do anything whatever they want. In Ottoman histiory, it's happened after the reign of Mustafa I. After Mustafa I dethroned, the throne lost its authority. Jannissaries deposed and even killed sultan whatever they want. State lost its stability and ordinary people suffered.
Fatma thought she would insult Hurrem? Make Suleiman hate his loyal Queen, but it all worked against her. 🥳 Suleiman ALWAYS knew that Hurrem was not Angel, but she loved him more than life and was always loyal to him, she never imagined someone else on his throne, even her own sons. Hurrem’s phrases during series: 👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼 “I fought to protect my sons, not to ascend them on throne, because that would mean to lose Sultan Suleyman-the meaning of my life”! “Even my own son can get Suleiman’s throne over my dead body, I will walk over them if they try” “I won’t let you die before I die, Suleiman. God will take my life and give it to you.” “If anyone takes a little step towards Suleiman, except praying for his majesty he will have to face me.” - Hurrem to her sons Bayazid, Jihangir and Selim when Suleiman was ill in episode 120. And some people still wonder why Suleiman loved Hurrem more than life.❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Surprising how calm Suleiman was, but Fatma's words were very true. She has had enough trauma happen in her life to sugarcoat her words to the Sultan anymore, he doesn't deserve it. Although she could've just denied it and got away with it, she told him the truth and left the God-forsaken place
I really wasn't surprised by his behaviour here he is just done with everything like he said at this point he knows everyone aroud him are guilty of henious crimes including himself
True love there, knowing the person you love is no angel and still loving them anyway. Not only that but she remains absolutely loyal despite knowing he'll kill one of her son's. She trusts and loves him just as much as he does her. Goals.
I love how all the sisters talk about the dynasty, the blood. They seem to forget that Hurrems children are also apart of the dynasty. Sharing the same royal blood. For the sisters these power plays are games. They themselves and their children are safer than, Suliemans own children. For Mahidevran and Hurrem its the ultimate rat race. For Mahidevran revenge and Mustafas survival, but she can not wait for Sulieman to go. For Hurrem she wants Suliman to live as long as possible. However she also wants to give her sons the best chance that she can at the same time. Suliemans sisters only remember the kids also their blood when it suits them. In the Actual Ottoman history I feel sorry for the women and children, put into this situation. Live with wealth and comfort while in the back for their minds. If my son does not take the throne he dies.
And I'd forgotten about Hürrem referring to Nurbanu as a bird. Which is Hürrem's own symbolic animal. The writers aren't subtle about making Nurbanu the new Hürrem.
You happened to let out Mehmet, Fatma. He and chiangir lost their lives unfairly in this madness. All others... well, they reaped what they sewed. Ibrahim was brought down by his own greed, ambition and arrogance. Hatice (as much as it pains me to admit it) by her own impulsivity and reluctance to let go. And Mustafa...by his own stubbornness and impulsivity. But in your mind, Hurrem is responsible for all of that. What a ridiculous idea
Mahidevran sadly had Mustafa believing that Hurrem caused every single problem that ever happened to their family. I find it sad that everyone always blamed her for every thing that their family went through. They seem to forget that Hurrem saved Hatice's baby, saved the prince's several times, remained loyal to Sulieman while he was catatonic and was one of the few people close to the Sultan who stayed consistently loyal
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 she went to Ibrahim's grave and mahidevran, because she was dying they played a huge role in her life she wanted to settle the accounts, and no hurrem didn't become a queen because Ibrahim selected her, she became a queen because when she saw Suleiman for the first time she fainted in his arms and captured his attention since then, watch the first episode of the show, when hurrem was going to Suleiman's chamber for the first time he was already remembering her and was disappointed when mahidevran showed up instead he hadn't been with hurrem even for a minute by that time but she was still in his mind, so even if Ibrahim hadn't picked her she still would have been called by Suleiman sooner or later.
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 Hurrem never asked sorry? She forgave her enemies Ibrahim and Mahidervan. You🤡🤡🤡 She was kind and smart, she was never punnished, Magidervan was.
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 what show are you watching? 😆😆 Hurrem FORGAVE her enemies everything. Eviiil mahidervan got Karmmma for killling Mehmed- Hurrem’s son! You🤡🤡🤡
Lmaooo whatttt? What does it have to do with her loyalty? She listened to her sons enemiies on Divan, she never went agaiinst Suleiman. Alsooo, in real history Hurrem was first woman allowed to listen to Divan meetings from separate room on the wall. Try harder 🤡🤡
Divan? 🤭 How does it show her not being loyal? Did you even watch that episode? She listened to Divan supporters of mustfafa, as they were plotting against her sons. She never went againnst Sulleiman! In real life Hurrem was allowed to attend Divan meetings. SHOSHHO cllownnn
Whaaaat? What does it have to do with Disloyalty? 😂😂 Mustfafa’s bots “arguments” lmaoo! 🤦🏻♀️ 👉🏼 On the show Hurrem listened to divan meetings secretly, because she knew that some pashas, who were Mustafa’s supporters were plotting against her sons. She wanted to know about their plans to eliminate them. She never betrayed Suleiman or his Throne. 👉🏼 For those who don’t know, it’s recorded by REAL HISTORY that Hurrem was official Divan member, attending meetings, voting, listening to males and taking part of the meetings “under the dome”, which is called the Kubbealtı. Hurrem also had a seal, that allowed her to correspond to MALE rulers and kings around the world. Before that females of the empire were only allowed to correspond with female rulers (like empress or queen : Russia and England) or princesses. Hurrem acted as a diplomat with foreign powers through her letters using the title of Shah (queen), from the day she became first and only wife of Padisah in Ottoman history. It is seen that his signature is always referred to as " The State of İsmetlu Hürrem Shah Sultan Aliyyetü'ş-Şân". The diplomatic letters of Hurrem sultan are kept in Topkapi Palace-Museum. 🤗
Yes, I agree, after I have watched Magnificent Century Suleiman and Kösem, it is clear that there don't exist any good or bad people in the palace. All people just want themselves or their loved ones to survive and they make everything they can to accomplish it.
They understand that she is evil but justify as her love about Suleiman and her children but if someone show them that Mahidevran was the same (she was evil with Hürrem's sons for protect her son Mustafa) Mahidevran is the bad character. Hürrem and Mahidevran are similar and I love and understand both for this. Hürrem done everything for her children as Mahidevran done everything for her son Mustafa. As a mom I would do the same
@@ramn_bennington Mahidervan wanted power and only. Hurrem never wanted power, she was fighting for her children and Sulleiman. No comparisons to eviil mahidevran, Sweetie 👋🏼
So on the one hand you have Fatma who fully buys into the villain!Hürrem narrative and on the other you have Süleyman who only values her in as much as she is loyal to him. Both of these are reductive and dehumanising. Hürrem is far more complex.
I really like Hurrem. But, we must admit that she was loyal to him because she was favored by him. If she was in Mahi place, she would also plot against him to gain power.
Not really. She was loyal to him because she loved him and she knew he loved her so she will always be protected. Yes it was selfish, but she would never pick her sons over suleiman. Because she knew he favours her way more than her sons ever will, and as long as she is loyal to him, her sons will stay alive
@@taylorsversion9567 But what if he didn't love her? That's my point. It all depends on who he loves. Let's say he got really in love with another woman while married to Hurrem. Let's say he married Firuze. I am sure she would plot against him.
@@taylorsversion9567 Love requires the action between 2 persons. If Hurrem's love was an unrequite love she surely plotted against everyone to get the Valide's position. _this is what Turhan Hatice Sultan did because Sultan Ibrahim prefers Telli Humasah than her_
Suleiman' s all sisters and also his mother,not to forget mahidevran,were all evil& cruel to the core but were in delusional belief that only hurrem was cruel 😎😎all of suleimans sisters were highly saddistic in nature too 😎
No one is good nor hurrem then why Sulaiman always protect hurrem only? That's injustice as a ruler. So he have priorities whom to kill? He doesn't bothered about killing Ibrahim, Mustafa etc but when come to his loved one he became selfish. Do you think this is how a ruler should perform
to beee honestt fatmass Roast was better than Suleiman she washeeddd him and finally someone Stood up to him and tell the truth that's why he Flipped outt
whatt factt the only thing he said was a factt was that hurrem is very loyal to him Except that he just Screamed and what she said was became true sultan suliyaman last dayss were Horrible he was veryy sick and in pain and had no one left that Except Mihremahh
hahahahahaha! What are you blllabbing! Fatma diiied aloone! Suleimann diied surrounded with loving daughtter and friends! Fatma was 🤡🤡 Alsooo Suleiiman shuttt her down with facts 🤣🤣🤣
Fatma embarrassed herself totally and he flushed her down with facts👋🏼🚽 She left like a🤡 she was 😂 Suleiman died as winnner surrounded with friends and loving daughter. He diied on war field, U 🤡
Fatma was the 1st and last person who found the courage to tell the truth to Suleyman! A truth which knew and hurt him! Everything because of the throne, the power!
And then? He's the Sultan, of course he must defending his throne. Throne is symbol of power and stability. If monarch just gave up their throne easily, the throne lost its prestige and people who has some power will do anything whatever they want. In Ottoman histiory, it's happened after the reign of Mustafa I. After Mustafa I dethroned, the throne lost its authority. Jannissaries deposed and even killed sultan whatever they want. State lost its stability and ordinary people suffered.
@@keizelharf5393 Suleyman deeply was jealous of his sons, because he wanted to stay in history as the most magnificent Sultan in Ottoman Empire. Something which he wouldn't happened if Mustapha, who was skilful and smart like his father, would succeed to ascend the throne!
ROSE, I can’t stop laughing🤣🤣 Sulleiman was most magnificent sultan for all his accomplishments. Mustfafa was weakkkk! He would never be great sultan! Sulleiman always supported his best son Mehmed! Try better
Here is the thing pretty much everyone hated Hurrem because they thought she was a grasper and social climber they could not see what her husband saw that she really liked him and he knew it , so in between a woman who loved him and an army of backstabbing relatives he chose her side , he didn’t choose her side because she was evil , she chose her because despite being evil ( or at the very least ruthless and cunning) she was always loyal to her husband.
I agree, I think Sultan Suleiman always knew Hurrem did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. She wasn't evil nor did she start problems. She was spunky, marched to the beat of her own drum and was free to be who she wanted to be. She didn't let Valide, hatice, Mahidevran, Ibrahim, Mustafa, Sah and Fatma change who she was. Nor did she shy away from a fight. Sulieman knew she had a big heart and that she was truly a good person.
SO, I read here by one Hurrem’s 🤡 hater this👉🏼 “how was Hurrem loyal, she was listening to Divan meeting secretly!1!1!1 🤣🤪Like this proves Hurrem’s disloyalty!1!1!1! 🤦🏻♀️ FEW FACTS for Hurrem’s haters: 👉🏼 On the show Hurrem listened to divan meetings secretly, because she knew that some pashas, who were Mustafa’s supporters were plotting against her sons. She wanted to know about their plans to eliminate them. She never betrayed Suleiman or his Throne. 👉🏼 For those who don’t know, it’s recorded by REAL HISTORY that Hurrem was official Divan member, attending meetings, voting, listening to males and taking part of the meetings “under the dome”, which is called the Kubbealtı. Hurrem also had a seal, that allowed her to correspond to MALE rulers and kings around the world. Before that females of the empire were only allowed to correspond with female rulers (like empress or queen : Russia and England) or princesses. Hurrem acted as a diplomat with foreign powers through her letters using the title of Shah (queen), from the day she became first and only wife of Padisah in Ottoman history. It is seen that his signature is always referred to as " The State of İsmetlu Hürrem Shah Sultan Aliyyetü'ş-Şân". The diplomatic letters of Hurrem sultan are kept in Topkapi Palace-Museum. 🤗
This is one of my favourite scenes.finally, one have the courage to say that straight to his face. What she said was right. They are not angels nor hurrem, then what is the difference between them. Why Sulaiman always protect hurrem only? Because she serves his ego to retain in the throne. Both hurrem & Sulaiman need power. Hurrem support Sulaiman not only because she is in love but she will be overthrown if Suleiman loose the throne
Wrong wrong and wrong… Fatma knew nothing about why Ibrahim was killed, Sultan Suleiman never gave a reason however we know it was because of treason. Hatice killed herself out of grief for her cheating husband. Mustafa also made many mistakes and end the end lost his life due to it. People forget Sultan Suleiman was a King before anything else and he did what needed to be done. Someone who doesn’t understand love wouldn’t understand the relationship between Suleiman and Hurrem so they will judge their love. Fatma had nothing to live for at this point hence her mouth being so bold.
Ibrahim was truly Hurrem's best and most dangerous ennemy. He was intelligent, powerful, talented and blessed with the sultan's friendship since childhood. After his death, no one could top him or even come close to him.
I'd say Shah came in pretty close. And if they didn't have to switch out Hurrem's actress mid series, it would of been interesting to see Shah's final confrontation with Hurrem. Then again, we would of been robbed of what was arguably Mihrimah's most badass moment.
1:30 love how Suleiman shuttt Fatma down and kicked him back to street where she belonged 🗑👋🏼 Fatma thought she did something but Suleiman left her speechless saying he always knew Hurrem was not innocent angel, but still Hurrem was milllion times better human than 🗑 Fatma 🤣
I love fatma sultan, whatever she saying it’s truth , sultan suleiman was cruel man, he killed his own blood, he didn’t even care until he became ill after that he never experienced peace until he died .
He is the Sultan, the Supreme, his words are law. As what he thought Selim and Bayazid when they were kids, a Sultan must be heartless. Being heartless he can decide and imposed decisions and penalties to all subjects, whoever he is, he maybe a stateman, his sons, or ordinary people. Emotion should be set aside. As a sultan he is not acting as father, he shouldnt have feelings as father, to be fair to everyone. But he is only human, he felt the pain when he is alone. I just dont understand why the royal family members dont understand this monarchy laws.
Atleast apart from Hurrem one woman did dared him & It was Fatma... Kudos! She called a spade a spade. Though I'm not too much fan of her but I think she did speak our mind...
She never killled her son? 😂😂😂 She is smart and strong woman and loves Sullleiman and her children more than her liife! Sullleiman killed his traiitor son
Hurrem never killled his son. Sullleiman did😂😂😂 Mustffafa was a liiarrr! Mustafa openly defied and ignored orders of Suleiman multiple times, lied on many things-including his wedding. He also threattened Hurrem many times, he was also aware that his allies formed a secret group aiming to dethrone Suleiman and he gave them gifts and monney, instead of doing something. Sulleiman warned him many times to stop crossing the line- watch episode 100, but Musfafa still continued being rebbbell. So he got his end! Mahidervan killlled Sullleiman’s son Mehmed, botttt
Fatma whooo? 🤣🤣🤣 Shossshooo BOTT, Fatma was the one who tried killing Hurrem’s sons for throne! Alsooo Hurrem always said truth and Fatma got kickkked to 🗑
@@hussainsultanzada6123 it's her victory she did it to fatma She didn't surrender, she was forced to speak, she knew that she won't be left alive anyway she would have the ending of her sisters.
Wins what? 😂😂😂 Hurrem diied, Nurbanu never won. Hurrem stayed greatest Queen and Nurbany stayed most haated in history. Even her husband dumppped her and hated her 🤣
Nurbany never won🤣 Hurrem diied as greatest sultana and stayed the greatest even after 500 years. Nurbanu “won” drunk Selim who was never loyall to her. She widowed after 8 years and she is known as most haated sultana. In the end Safiye destrroyed her. ✋🏼
All fatma said came to pass except the part of hurrem seeing the death of one more son. She was spared the pain of seeing her son killed by her beloved Suleiman
Hurrem is no angel but i like hurrem more than the other because she didn’t pretend to be angel and didn’t act innocent unlike the other who were so convince there are the heroes and I can do no wrong. No one is innocent in this show and everyone has done terrible thing to each other. I do pity Mustafa because he didn’t deserve the ending that he got but unfortunately only one son can get the throne and the ones didn’t get the throne would have killed. I believe Mehmet would have best successor personally but mustafa would been my second choice.
Lmaoooo whattt? Suleiman was the smartest Padisah, Magnificent and you are saying she maniipulated him? 😆😆 She never told him to kill Mustafa! Mustafa liied Suleiiman milllion times, he was killed as liar and traiitor! Get over it!
Whaaat? She didn’t! 🤦🏻♀️ He was greatest ruler - MAGNIFICENT! What are you watching? Hurrem never told him to kill Mustafa? Sulleiman never trusted mustafa for his lies and thousands mistakkes for years! Suleiiman could exile mustafa but he wanted to kill him! Lmaooo stop making Hurrem eviil and Mustafa angel🤣🤣🤣
I dont know if you understand that all the answers you took under your comment have been written by the same person who wrote by three different profiles to persuade you that Suleiman was the best personality of the world!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣omg Your comment is right. Hurrem always blamed Mustafa and look Ed constantly for his mistakes in order to make him arrear as a traitor.She set a lot of traps to get rid Prince Mustafa. Finally, with Mihrimah' s deceitful way and ambush, she did it. I love hurrem the most. But this is the truth.
IT isn’t that satisfying as I’d hope IT would be.. I was hoping she would be exiled or something. she left the Palace Free and still has everything despite inciting her people against hurrem..
@@Redluna32 exactly. I like nurbanu cause of her cunning mind and how she protected herself and Selim. Also hurrem herself admits that she is no angel and we accept that too.
What Fatma know about Ibrahim and Hatice they died through their own faults not Suleiman's fault and she also equated Suleiman as cruel as her father Selim I meanwhile she cruel too to get rid Hurrem and her sons
Fatma can be one of the most annoying characters in MC but man, that was something. Talking this way to a Padishah needs an extraordinary courage. None from his family dared to challenge his anger to that extent, she was the first. He could kill her in a blink but she still spoke her mind without compromise.
I think the only reason she spoke so freely was because she was past the point of caring about her own life. Her husband was just executed, she's still reeling from Mustafa's execution, Cihangir and I think Hurichan also just died around this point. She's lost so many people she loved in such a short time, and the people she thinks are responsible are roaming freely. At this point, she's had enough of the bulls*it that's going on she decided to say 'screw it' and call things out for what they were.
I think the one thing I could never understand about Fatma though was that she knew what would happen to Hurrems kids if Mustafa took the throne but she didn’t care. Had it been Selim instead of Mustafa that was killed Fatma probably would have celebrated.
I think you mean Mehmed here? But, yes, I absolutely see your point here. I think it's just that people like to try to claim that Mahidevran only did that in the show while Hürrem is truly "guilty" of bringing down Mustafa, which, of course, is entirely false.
@@jeanneaubert4193 Once again, way to prove you know absolutely nothing of the actual history. If anyone'd like to know some of it, by all means, feel free to ask me. Otherwise...bye, bye, bots 👋
Kata2 fatma sulthan membuat sulthan sulaiman bergetar menggebu-gebu....perkelahian,kematian dan kesedihan diistina yg sulthan sulaiman lakukan...karena dia gagal menjadi sulthan utsmaniah,suami dari para istri dan selrnya,ayah dari anak-anaknya...fatma sulthan mengingatkan bagaimana ayahnya mati...?sulthan sulaiman menyuruhnya diam dan mengusirnya dari istana....tetapi mulutnya yg penuh amarah tidak bisa membohongi kenyataan yang ada....fatma sulthan keluar pintu dengan membalikan badan dgn sindiran bahwa kau pembunuh putramu dan keluargamu...kau tidak pantas menjadi sulthan karena arogansi dan ambisimu....sulthan sulaiman tetap tidak mau mengakui bahwa dia bersalah telah membunuh pangeran mustafa walaupun kebenarannya seperti itu adanya...hidup fatma sulthan....
You know what is really ugly about people, is that some of them are behaving the same way, each having different reasons to do so of course, but among them, some are worse than the others because they are utterly and disgustingly hypocritical. I consider Fatima and all those whom she enumerated, Valide, Mahidevran, Mustafa etc like that. At least Hurrem doesn’t pretend, at least she know her wrongs, and honestly who would have done otherwise in her difficult situation… Also, Fatima always blames Suleiman about the slaughter and the blood shed, about him doing it for the throne, but it is his duty. Liking it or not, he has a duty and an empire weighting on his shoulders. If he show too much mercy, the people under his protection will suffer, plus seriously, his own family only brought problems and pain to him, how can they blame him while they were supposed to calm him, relax him, make him forget his responsibilities for a bit… Except Hurrem, everyone even his children were always dissatisfied with him, blamed him, and had their eyes on his power and throne. So how dare Fatima be so arrogant and self-sufficient ?
"Hurrem is no angel. I know. But no one is angel". What a perfect and true sentence.
But mustafa was a good person and if you want to fight with devil like hurrem you have be like her
@@nisha-ve3dj Exactly. Mustafa lost because he was much good and good never survived in era like that.
@@nisha-ve3dj hahahahahah! Mustfafa was never good 😂😂😂😂 He was liiarr and traiitor!
@@domi1992ish hahahahah! No botttt! Mustafa lost for his liies and hundreds misttakes! Cryyy
@@nisha-ve3dj hahahahahaah! Hurrem was never deviil! Mustafa lost because he was weakk and liiar! Mustafa openly defied and ignored orders of Suleiman multiple times, lied on many things-including his wedding. He also threattened Hurrem many times, he was also aware that his allies formed a secret group aiming to dethrone Suleiman and he gave them gifts and monney, instead of doing something. Sulleiman warned him many times to stop crossing the line- watch episode 100, but Musfafa still continued being rebbbell. So he got his end! Get over it!
"No one is innocent", finally someone called it out loud. I know, the character of Hurrem here, is not at all angelic nor she acts as one self-righteous person. But the rest of them did the same things too. Tortured innocent people, killed them or made them kill someone else.But they act as they are Holier-than-thou, pure as snow. They just can not take Hurrem because she played their politics better than them.
everything she did, someone else did first. she did not start the fights, but by everything holy she *finished* them!
Absolutely true! No one is innocent at all!
Honestly yes. I get it in Mahidevran's case because of her experiences, but Hürrem was definitely one of the people who was the most honest with herself.
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And what had mustafa done except for marrying without his father's will?
Fatma herself is very cruel. She was more interested in killing her nephews than killing Hurrem. She tried to kill her nephews just to see Hurrem in pain. And also in the end, she is shamelessly wishing for the death of her nephews.
Fake love. All the sisters (except Beyhan) they only love Mustafa while the other prince are just subtitutes. Even she did not want to held responsible for Hurricihan as she was the one who conspire with her niece's murderer. I hope Beyhan will punish her for the negligence.
@@ernestnoeid2327 Yes Absolutely Right !
The show never really touched on it, but, yeah, this is a big part of why I always found the insistence of Suleiman's sisters for Mustafa to ascend so chilling. Barely any of them, outside of Fatma, acknowledged that, in order for that to happen, their other nephews would have to die.
Fatma was eviiil
Yeah even on Mustafa's death she seemed like a spoiled kid demanding something. She cared about none of them
I don't understand how all of Suleiman's sisters made Hurrem out to be this completely evil person when they were genuinely no better than her. They were willing to do literally anything to take her down. Hurrem isn't perfect, nor did she claim to be, but she didn't deserve the constant attacks from Hatice, Şah, and Fatma.
She’s only trying to save the lives of her sons. They are trying to get their own flesh and blood killed. They are depraved.
I think she's awful
It is a little weird that everyone was just collectively against her. Suleiman chose her, like get over it lol They could have lived all in peace.
Their problem was that they could not go again Suleiman when he existed them so they blamed hurrem, hurrem did not cause others death, she only had hand in Mustafa death but not the other, but they blamed her for every death.
@@soussoumisaki4360 I'm convinced it could have started raining and they would have been like, "It's Hurrem's fault!"
Credit goes to Sumbul for getting rid of Fatma. He turned out to be the best investigator. How quickly he caught the real culprit.
Credit goes to sumbul for getting rid of Fatma he turned out to be the best investigator how quickly he caught the real culprit
Fatma acts was coarse unlike Sah the cunning
I wished I had a best friend like him.
1:30 It’s SO satisfying to know that Suleiman knew Hurrem was not angel or innocent and always loved her and respected her despite her flaws or sins, because of her great love and absolute loyalty towards him.
And I agree with him-No one is innocent. Hurrem’s enemies acted like they were angels and Hurrem devil, but we all know they were just looking for excuses for losing again and again.🤗
Absolute loyality.........how egoistic of sultan.........He was suppose to do justice but all he thought was about himself.......his sultanate , his loyality, his priorities,.......he could never had guts enough to punish Hurrem for her sins........Mustafa was also loyal, more loyal than Hurrem but he got killed...........so loyality was probably an excuse.....to hide his own weaknesses......m judging sultan based on this drama.......maybe there could b something else, .......but killing Mustafa n Ibrahim is true and sultan cannot escape this.
I love that Suleiman knows that Hurrem is not an angel nor innocent in many ways and that he is telling his sister Fatma that he doesn’t expect anyone to be perfect but he does expect loyalty. He isn’t perfect either but I love how he acknowledges that while Hurrem’s absolute loyalty to him is mostly self-serving, Hurrem is loyal. Hurrem is smart, she knows absolute loyalty to Suleiman is what will keep her and her children safe as long as they aren’t stupid.
In my opinion in this love that Hürrem for him and their children remember his mother Valide Hafsa Sultan. She was as Hürrem: she did everything for her children
@@ramn_bennington lmaooo whattt? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ummm, Hurrem was not always loyal, she cheated with that Italian dude
@@liaevans9776 if is Leo not, Hürrem have a story with him before she came to Ottoman Empire and became wife of Suleiman
Vivian Bonnier you read "my opinion"? Everything ok? A glass of water?
Hurrem never once claimed innocent. But this proves Suleiman knew she was loyal. She was always loyal to him. His family always hated her for being more loved by him then they were.
Hurrem never once claimed innocent
Hurrem regretted and apologized. Suleiman had a bad conscience but never apologized.
Hahah and killed his son,
@@crescentwarriors2503 after Mahidevran had her son Mehmed killed
@@krystasites9034 Historically it was a lie, okay then hurrem tried to kill mustafa several times. Imagine if ibrahim or Mustafa tried? Hurrem would have died long ago
Hurrem once said: I only fought to protect my sons from sure death, not to make one of them ascend the throne, because it would mean to lose Suleiman the meaning of my life. Its very hard for Suleiman to lose Hurrem because she feeds his ego.
You are right except for "she feeds his ego" they both loved each other Suleiman didn't break the traditions to marry her for nothing,he gave her equal respect and power.
Soul mates.
Hurrem loved power, not suleyman. From the very begginig in the harem, she swore to her dead mother she would became the most powerful woman in the world. She wanted to have only sons, when she had mihrima she hated her at first. And she was loyal to suleyman because he was the source of her power, she made him kill mustafa with lies, and didn’t care about suleyman’s great sufgering and grief.
@@verataboada At the start it was about power, but later on it becomes about keeping the love of her life alive. this is shown when Suleiman goes into a coma. She carries around a vial of poison because she cares about living with him, not about praying for his downfall for one her son's to succeed him like Mahidevran did. She loved him more than the power he gave her.
@@katsmit8032 that is because she was afraid to death about her fate, she knew mustafá would not have mercy on her, her sons were too young and had no supporters. If she truly loved suleyman, she would noy have posioned his mind about his beloved son, she made him killed mustafá, ibrahim and hatice, even if she liked them or not, they were loved by suleyman and he suffered a lot when they died by his hand. But she didn’t care about that because she wanted to be the most powerful women in the empire.
It disgusts me how Fatma conveniently forgets that Mahidevran started the murder road when she had Mehmet assassinated. The one, pure Sehzade.
Mahidvran wasn't brave enough to confess to that because Mehmet had after all been their nephew. Even if Mihrimah had told her she would dismiss it as another one of Hurrem's schemes to turn Mihrimah against her half_brother
Well actually hurrem did. When she tried with mustafa and failed many times
@@ummehabibagilani5371 In all fairness if we're going to count the failed attempts then surely Mahidvran strated it?
She went crazy when Hurrem was pregnant with Mehmet and didn't want a prince other than Mustafa to be born so she poisoned her and it was sheer luck that Sulieman was with her AND hadn't eaten the poison himself so he was able to call the doctor.
Of course, Hurrem almost did the same thing, but she stopped when she saw gow much Sulieman wanted the child. To her his happiness was worth the rick of having another prince that wasn't hers
Mahiwitch did'nt realize what Mehmet did to mustafa evil mother
I wonder how far the Ottoman Dynasty would have gone had Mehmet lived.
I LOVE how all the enemies of Hurrem who were truly evil, called Hurrem devil and witch, only because they couldn’t reach the level of her intelligence and she defeated them all. They kept doing all evil things to Hurrem, to Suleiman and to their children, but as they didn’t have 1/1000 brains Hurrem had, they always lost to her.🤭
Exactlyyyy finally someone says it, They did a lot of evil things. But always act like Hurrem is the evil one, They always threw the first stone and were just angry she always outsmarted them, example: when fatma finally gets caught trying to kill Hurrem. She is still saying how evil Hurrem is and how she has done so much evil. Seriously. You just literally tried to kill Hurrem and you are talking bout her been evil,…. No shame, If anyone forgot fatma was the one who murdered Afife. While trying to murder Hurrem.
True
They were all crying babies.
Hurrem was the one who get Mustafa killed. And she is not evil at all?
Fatma's smile was fake in the end . She was just smiling artificially in front of Gulfem to show herself Satisfied.
HISTORY COMMENT (for those interested): All the murderous plots against Hurrem by Suleyman's sisters in seasons 3 and 4 are fiction. The real Hurrem Sultan had cordial relationships with Suleyman's mother and all his sisters in real life. The changes in these sisterly relationships from friendly and helpful (especially Hatice-Hurrem) from the first 2 seasons to hateful and murderous in the last seasons are from the tragic loss of Meral Okay, who died of cancer in April 2012. She was the award-winning creator/developer of this series and wrote episodes 1-56. Then, a male writer, Yilmaz Sahin, took over in seasons 3 and 4 and used these hateful plots between the women that bordered on misogymy. Personally, I found I missed the friendship between Hurrem and Hatice a lot. In real life, they were friends and Hatice's daughter is buried in Hurrem's mausoleum, a sign of collegial family relations. Remember that Ibrahim was *not married* to Suleyman’s sister, Hatice, in real life. They had no romantic relationship at all. Ibrahim was not Suleyman’s brother-in-law and all the children born to Hatice in this TV fictionalized relationship are fiction as well. Therefore, Hatice (or any of Suleyman’s sisters) had no reason whatsoever to hate Hurrem because of Ibrahim’s execution ordered by Suleyman in March 1536.
I have heard that all of the sisters of Suleiman hated Hürrem ín real too. Because they were borned sultanas. Hürrem was only a slave. But She reached higher positions with help of the real love Than them. The borned sultanas were wifes of pashas. Not a king. They were ín real only princess and Hürrem was a queen. An exslave.😊And they weren't ín love. They had bad mariiages. Sahu huban was attacked by Lütfi pasha. Ibrahim had a second wife. And lived together a killer. Because Ibrahim killed 1000 Hungarians after the warg. Why? Because he wanted to kill them. Many of them he killed his own hands. Hatice had an absolutely happy life....😢 They were all jealous
@@gloriabija2068Hürrem had different relationships with different sisters. With Hatice she had a good relationship,but Hatice was a better friend with Mahidevran, with whom she exchanged letters and in one of such letters Mahidevran expressed gratitude for Hatice's support for Mustafa.
Fatma's relationship with Hürrem was intense, she was involved in intrigues, was loved by janissaries and according to some versions she had hands in removing Rüstem from the position of grand Vizier and installing her husband instead, which enraged Hürrem and Mihrimah and had Ahmed pasha killed, Fatma started intriguing against Hürrem and she was banished from capital.
Beyhan had a very neutral attitude, her husband was executed earlier in Süleiman's reign and she spent the rest of her life in voluntary exile.
Sah had the closest relationship with Hürrem, they shared political and social views and did a lot of charity together.
Only her relationship with Fatma was done more or less(mostly less) correctly in the series.
@@gloriabija2068are you a kid bro? What kinda comment was that? CringE AF! And where have you “heard”? Unless you’re a witch or something that talks to ghosts.
And don’t talk of real love as Suleiman had many concubines ‘til his death bed.
This was the best and only good scene of Fatma the fact that she admitted everything she did knowing full well that Suleiman would have probably executed her deserves respect, Hafsa, Hatice and Sha were cowards that always hided their evil deeds, the only problem was that once again she blames Hurrem 🙄🙄 like did she forget that Mustafa send her here to sabotage Hurrem or that she manipulated Bayezid and Selim against each other knowing full well they would have probably killed each other ( her own blood)
Still great scene and dialogue
Don't forget her interference between Mirimah and Rustem.
@@cherylvergin1757 yes that too
I never liked Rustem, although I wonder did things really play out like this in their true lives? I wouldn’t think Hurrem had this much drama in her actual lifetime. With Mustafa was he really going against Suleiman or was it just rumors and that’s why Suleiman regretted killing his son? Although from what I read Suleiman actually watched and egged on the executioners.
@@wandachristian1884 Hurrem was loved far and wide through politics
I agree Mustafa only wanted her to get rid of Hurrem. When did he tell her to ruin the lives of his siblings??
Ibrahim was arrogant enough to declare to people behind Sulieman's back that he was the real ruler of the Empire. Sulieman put up with it for a long time before he decided enough was enough.
Hatice committed suicide because she couldn't deal with not being the darling apple in her brothers eyes anymore. She also knew that once she was found to be the one responsible for Hurrem being kidnapped, she'd be killed anyway. She wasn't going to give Sulieman the chance to be the one to do that.
Mustafa may not have committed real treason, but he was still a loose cannon. He knew people were plotting to overthrow his father but did nothing to stop them. That makes him an accomplice of treason at the bare minimum. Not to mention he kept doing things behind his father's back, and when caught couldn't understand why his father was mad at him.
As for Cihangir, he only died because he had a rather weird love complex for his brother. And when he died, Cihangir essentially let himself rot away because of guilt. Mustafa's death was not his fault, but he decided to take up the guilt anyway. If anything, Fatma should be blamed for Cihangir's death since she got him involved in the first place.
Chi hanger was a little traitor. He was a,so a spy for Mustafa and very gossip troll. Couldn’t wait to run and tell fatma about Miriam’s divorce. I don’t like this character He acted all high and mighty but he was no better than the rest,
Hatice was always the apple of suleiman's eyes! His baby sister, his gozbegi..But she herself ruined it!👎
@@Faxhya and of course, she’s going to blame hurrem, she always blames hurrem for everything 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@WompwompPI Well I like hatice but she was responsible for what happened to her! Suleiman always loved her more than anything..She was one of people suleiman loved the most..But she ruined it herself..She should've moved on and start a new life with her children but she didn't..She chose to mourn forever for her cheater husband..Silly girl loved her cheater husband more than everything, more than her mother, more than her brother even more than her children and expect her brother to love her more than his family, his wife, his children!🌚
Mustafa always did things without Suleiman's permission .This made him distrustful and suspicious for Suleiman. and They did not understand that this war was not about power but about intelligence.
This is a big part of why, even in the show, I don't subscribe to the image of Mustafa the "martyr".
@@Redluna32 Yeah really ! agreed
@Eralp Erikci Well actually you must watch the series carefully and take your own advice 🙄 Hurrem WAS NOT THE ONE WHO POISONED THE CAFTAN....Watch again, carefully this time like you suggested to others 🙄
@Eralp Erikci she knew after.... it was done beforehand without her knowledge...quit telling people who have watched the series to watch carefully, when you yourself stated inaccuracies without proper viewing.
@Eralp Erikci " focus on the main point???"...you literally start of your point with an inaccuracy than tell people to "watch carefully" ..... get real
I like the way Fatma Sultan looks Suleiman in his eyes & calls him a murderer. She looks beautiful in her defiance, & graceful in her departure from the royal palace, heavy With tragedy & grief.
Hahahahahaha! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fatma is eviiil! She was pitting Hurrem’s sons trying to kill them! Suleiman zipped her mouth with facts
The murrderer was Selim- Fatma’s father. He tried killing Suleiman for throne many times. Alsooo Fatma tried killing Hurrem’s sons Bayazid and Selim to give mustafa throne. So the most eviil was Fatma and she LOST! She left as 🤡 she was 🤣🤣🤣
Fatma was the one murrderer and complete 🤡🤡 She left embarrrassed😂😂 She tried killing Hurrem’s sons and Hurrem many times so she had nuthing to speak here 😂
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I liked the way Fatma silently slapped Suleiman by her words.
That last thing Fatma said only cancelled everything she threw against Hurrem. What a demon.
Suleiman spoke FACTS! Hurrem was not angelic or totally innocent, no one was. But Hurrem loved Suleiman and her children more than her life, power, wealth, titles. She would give everything to keep them safe.
Meanwhile everyone else was fighting to dethrone Suleiman and take his place.
And same people called Hurrem evil! The Audacity! 🙄🙄
Hurrem married her daughter to an old man without mihrimah's interest because rustem is pasha. She needs his power. Hurrem stood with Sulaiman because she knew, If he became dethroned then her era will end. Both hurrem & others are equally evil. But Sulaiman protects hurrem only, which is injustice to people as a ruler
So did fatma she also spoke facts
None are innocent uts funny how some can justify hurrem crimes and not the others
Finally sulaiman was not a very good ruler for his people he didn't leave a good future sultan to take his place
At the end it's all about power forget brothers sisters sons or daughters or friend
@@reshnasuresh7527 This is the point. People are blaming here and there. It is actually get set by suleman himself. It is very interesting to see that he knew every thing, but at the same he would become judge and make all decision in favor of hurrem. In fact he knew hurrem is winning haram war and which means his throne will be safe. Simple fact. In addition to that, if he ever felt that hurrem is no more useful to him, he would have not hesitated to kill her as well.
she didn't love him she wanted throne
@@ahmadhesham3849 Yes, all of her enemies thought the same thing and that's why they couldn't defeat her. If she wanted the throne, she would have tried to do it when Sah set that trap for her back in Episode 85 or 86. When Sah secretly had word sent that the Sultan was injured and that Mustafa was coming to claim the throne, she expected Hurrem to put Bayezid on the throne in response. But Hurrem's instinct was to protect her sons instead of trying to elevate one of them to the throne. Hurrem had a lot of faults, but her love for the Sultan was absolute..even more than her love for her children.
I love the way Suleiman knows everyone's qualities💯💯💯 like Bali bey once said; he sees everything that we don't c
When Hurrem does evil: All curses and insults are thrown at her. Her enemy called her as evil, sinner and witch. As if only Hurrem was demon in that palace
But when it comes from themselves: Blame Hurrem in their acts, pretend as victim in the game of Hurrem.
There is no consciousness at all in them. They forget who changed Alexandra La Rossa from a cheerful girl to heartless and cruelness
Overall Hürrem owns her own misdeeds in a way that her enemies more often than not outright refuse to do. Each always insists on innocence, that they would never have to act if not for the "witch", whereas Hürrem faces exactly what she did each time.
Within one night she forget all the vows she gave to her ex lover leo, and fell in Suleman's arm. You also deserve such women in your life
@@xyz-df6xm Hürrem believed Leo dead until his sudden appearance and then did all she could to do right by him while remaining loyal to Suleiman. This argument is weak, I have to say.
@@Redluna32 she believed leo dead, therefore she immediately fell in love with Suleman, hahaha. There was also another women called sadike , learn from her , what love is.
@@xyz-df6xm Hurrem loved sulleiman more than liife! She never loved Leo truly. Lmaoo
It’s funny how Fatma mourning “sultana” actually believed that she would belittle Hurrem Sultan in Suleiman’s eyes, but Suleiman zipped her foul mouth with truth 1:30 on his Queen Hurrem! ❤️
She gave back as good as she got! A true daughter of Yavuz Sultan Selim. ‘What are you going to do if I don’t shut up? Throw me in the fire like so many innocent others” Good on you, sultana of delight and smiles! You showed a steel backbone, better than Hattice and intriguing Sah-U-Huban, although her plan to get Roxelana exiled was masterly (another plot device, don’t fall for it).
@@annatamparow4917 Selim who? 🤣 The one who tried killing Suleiman for throne many times? Fatma tried to pit her nephews against each other too, for mustafa to get throne! Fatma was biggest evil!
@@annatamparow4917 Oh really? Fatma just embarrrassed herself same U now cryiing😂😂😂
@@annatamparow4917 Fatma was the one evil, she had nothing to say as she plotted killing Hurrem’s sons earlier.
@@annatamparow4917 Fatma was absolute 🗑 and eviill. She got dumped where she belonged 🗑
I think everyone forgets, that mustafa openly defied and ignored the orders of the Sultan multiple times. He even was aware that his allies formed a group with a task to dethrone the current sultan but he did nothing of it. Suleiman was right here. Fatma is delusional
Exactlyyyy! Mustafa’s bots always forget that🤣🤣
Mustafa’s bots only excuses are: Suleiman was cruel, Hurrem was devil!1!1!1! Black magic!1!1!1!1🤪🤪🤪
Nobody forgets that haha no matter if they don't admit it
In all honesty, this is why, even in the show, I don't subscribe to the image of Mustafa the "martyr".
Yeah mustafa’s bots try to make excuses but he is known in history as weakk and traitor😂
Fatma said like the throne is not big deal at all. Throne is symbol of power and stability. If monarch just gave up their throne easily, the throne lost its prestige and people who has some power will do anything whatever they want. In Ottoman histiory, it's happened after the reign of Mustafa I. After Mustafa I dethroned, the throne lost its authority. Jannissaries deposed and even killed sultan whatever they want. State lost its stability and ordinary people suffered.
What's the timeline of Mustafa ll in history?
@@munazah9838 i'm sorry. I mean Mustafa I, not Mustafa II
Oh.. poor Sultan Osman II. He was killed by the janissaries
@@ChickenSoup736 but the actor did extremely brilliant...✌️
It's amazing just how much Fatma believes Hürrem is the villain. I hate to break it to you Sultanım...
He is such a good actor.
Fatma thought she would insult Hurrem? Make Suleiman hate his loyal Queen, but it all worked against her. 🥳
Suleiman ALWAYS knew that Hurrem was not Angel, but she loved him more than life and was always loyal to him, she never imagined someone else on his throne, even her own sons.
Hurrem’s phrases during series:
👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼
“I fought to protect my sons, not to ascend them on throne, because that would mean to lose Sultan Suleyman-the meaning of my life”!
“Even my own son can get Suleiman’s throne over my dead body, I will walk over them if they try”
“I won’t let you die before I die, Suleiman. God will take my life and give it to you.”
“If anyone takes a little step towards Suleiman, except praying for his majesty he will have to face me.” - Hurrem to her sons Bayazid, Jihangir and Selim when Suleiman was ill in episode 120.
And some people still wonder why Suleiman loved Hurrem more than life.❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Could you please tell me the episode that Hurrem said the second phrases that you quoted there?
@@rizqiannisa6226 it’s in episode 120 and 124
@@gunescelik4207 thank you 😊
Surprising how calm Suleiman was, but Fatma's words were very true. She has had enough trauma happen in her life to sugarcoat her words to the Sultan anymore, he doesn't deserve it. Although she could've just denied it and got away with it, she told him the truth and left the God-forsaken place
We both know she won't get away with it, there will be further investigation, she can't escape justice because she's dynasty. 🤣
I really wasn't surprised by his behaviour here he is just done with everything like he said at this point he knows everyone aroud him are guilty of henious crimes including himself
Nurbano is lucky enough that hurrem didn’t live that long.
Safiye was the new hurrem to Nurbanu
No. Hurrem was Lucky that she died before Nurbanu become the Haseki Sultan
@@jannatzubairfangirlimao are u stupid? If hurrem was stayed alive when sulieman died should’ve became valide sultan (which is higher than haseki 💀)
True love there, knowing the person you love is no angel and still loving them anyway. Not only that but she remains absolutely loyal despite knowing he'll kill one of her son's. She trusts and loves him just as much as he does her. Goals.
I love how all the sisters talk about the dynasty, the blood. They seem to forget that Hurrems children are also apart of the dynasty. Sharing the same royal blood. For the sisters these power plays are games. They themselves and their children are safer than, Suliemans own children. For Mahidevran and Hurrem its the ultimate rat race. For Mahidevran revenge and Mustafas survival, but she can not wait for Sulieman to go. For Hurrem she wants Suliman to live as long as possible. However she also wants to give her sons the best chance that she can at the same time. Suliemans sisters only remember the kids also their blood when it suits them. In the Actual Ottoman history I feel sorry for the women and children, put into this situation. Live with wealth and comfort while in the back for their minds. If my son does not take the throne he dies.
And I'd forgotten about Hürrem referring to Nurbanu as a bird. Which is Hürrem's own symbolic animal. The writers aren't subtle about making Nurbanu the new Hürrem.
‘I know hurrem is not an angel. No body is.’ Perfect 👍
You happened to let out Mehmet, Fatma. He and chiangir lost their lives unfairly in this madness.
All others... well, they reaped what they sewed. Ibrahim was brought down by his own greed, ambition and arrogance. Hatice (as much as it pains me to admit it) by her own impulsivity and reluctance to let go. And Mustafa...by his own stubbornness and impulsivity.
But in your mind, Hurrem is responsible for all of that. What a ridiculous idea
omg nobody cares about mehmet he was useless
Mahidevran sadly had Mustafa believing that Hurrem caused every single problem that ever happened to their family. I find it sad that everyone always blamed her for every thing that their family went through. They seem to forget that Hurrem saved Hatice's baby, saved the prince's several times, remained loyal to Sulieman while he was catatonic and was one of the few people close to the Sultan who stayed consistently loyal
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 she went to Ibrahim's grave and mahidevran, because she was dying they played a huge role in her life she wanted to settle the accounts, and no hurrem didn't become a queen because Ibrahim selected her, she became a queen because when she saw Suleiman for the first time she fainted in his arms and captured his attention since then, watch the first episode of the show, when hurrem was going to Suleiman's chamber for the first time he was already remembering her and was disappointed when mahidevran showed up instead he hadn't been with hurrem even for a minute by that time but she was still in his mind, so even if Ibrahim hadn't picked her she still would have been called by Suleiman sooner or later.
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 Hurrem never asked sorry? She forgave her enemies Ibrahim and Mahidervan. You🤡🤡🤡
She was kind and smart, she was never punnished, Magidervan was.
@@aradhyadollyhaldar771 what show are you watching? 😆😆 Hurrem FORGAVE her enemies everything. Eviiil mahidervan got Karmmma for killling Mehmed- Hurrem’s son! You🤡🤡🤡
Hurrem showed her absolute loyalty while listening to Divan
Lmaooo whatttt? What does it have to do with her loyalty? She listened to her sons enemiies on Divan, she never went agaiinst Suleiman.
Alsooo, in real history Hurrem was first woman allowed to listen to Divan meetings from separate room on the wall. Try harder 🤡🤡
In real life Suleiman consulted hurrem in state matters so yes it still doesn't prove any disloyalty
@@kimkai.823 Well said
Divan? 🤭 How does it show her not being loyal? Did you even watch that episode? She listened to Divan supporters of mustfafa, as they were plotting against her sons. She never went againnst Sulleiman!
In real life Hurrem was allowed to attend Divan meetings. SHOSHHO cllownnn
Whaaaat? What does it have to do with Disloyalty? 😂😂 Mustfafa’s bots “arguments” lmaoo! 🤦🏻♀️
👉🏼 On the show Hurrem listened to divan meetings secretly, because she knew that some pashas, who were Mustafa’s supporters were plotting against her sons. She wanted to know about their plans to eliminate them. She never betrayed Suleiman or his Throne.
👉🏼 For those who don’t know, it’s recorded by REAL HISTORY that Hurrem was official Divan member, attending meetings, voting, listening to males and taking part of the meetings “under the dome”, which is called the Kubbealtı.
Hurrem also had a seal, that allowed her to correspond to MALE rulers and kings around the world. Before that females of the empire were only allowed to correspond with female rulers (like empress or queen : Russia and England) or princesses. Hurrem acted as a diplomat with foreign powers through her letters using the title of Shah (queen), from the day she became first and only wife of Padisah in Ottoman history. It is seen that his signature is always referred to as " The State of İsmetlu Hürrem Shah Sultan Aliyyetü'ş-Şân".
The diplomatic letters of Hurrem sultan are kept in Topkapi Palace-Museum. 🤗
1:31 Suleiman is right, Hurrem isn’t an angel but yet no one is. I hope all the bots here will understand that now
Yeah. People really can't be normal when it comes to her. Either she's perfect or the most evil character on the show.
Yes, I agree, after I have watched Magnificent Century Suleiman and Kösem, it is clear that there don't exist any good or bad people in the palace. All people just want themselves or their loved ones to survive and they make everything they can to accomplish it.
They understand that she is evil but justify as her love about Suleiman and her children but if someone show them that Mahidevran was the same (she was evil with Hürrem's sons for protect her son Mustafa) Mahidevran is the bad character. Hürrem and Mahidevran are similar and I love and understand both for this. Hürrem done everything for her children as Mahidevran done everything for her son Mustafa. As a mom I would do the same
@@ramn_bennington Hi BOT! 😂😂😂😂 Mahidervan only wanted powerrr! Hurrem was protttecting her sons and sulleiman. Don’t commpare!
@@ramn_bennington Mahidervan wanted power and only. Hurrem never wanted power, she was fighting for her children and Sulleiman. No comparisons to eviil mahidevran, Sweetie 👋🏼
This is by far my favorite scene.What an exit. Fatma sultan hats off to you
The shows idea that Hurrem fought with everyone she came across from mother-in-law to daughter-in-law is absurd.
It wouldn't be an interesting show otherwise, would it?
So on the one hand you have Fatma who fully buys into the villain!Hürrem narrative and on the other you have Süleyman who only values her in as much as she is loyal to him. Both of these are reductive and dehumanising. Hürrem is far more complex.
I really like Hurrem.
But, we must admit that she was loyal to him because she was favored by him.
If she was in Mahi place, she would also plot against him to gain power.
Not really. She was loyal to him because she loved him and she knew he loved her so she will always be protected. Yes it was selfish, but she would never pick her sons over suleiman. Because she knew he favours her way more than her sons ever will, and as long as she is loyal to him, her sons will stay alive
@@taylorsversion9567 But what if he didn't love her?
That's my point.
It all depends on who he loves.
Let's say he got really in love with another woman while married to Hurrem. Let's say he married Firuze.
I am sure she would plot against him.
@@ΣταυρωτηΧηρακη i think at this point it was clear he loved her over everyone😅 there was no maybe.
no, she was loyallll because she loved him a lot! If he didn’t love her she would killll herself, but never hurrrt him
@@taylorsversion9567 Love requires the action between 2 persons. If Hurrem's love was an unrequite love she surely plotted against everyone to get the Valide's position.
_this is what Turhan Hatice Sultan did because Sultan Ibrahim prefers Telli Humasah than her_
The actor for sulatn is so good with micro expression, very regal and controlled.
You killed Mustafa, will you show mercy on me? great sentence by Fatma Sultan
1:45:Well done and said, 👑His Majesty, you portrayed the 🎨🥇🏆acting 🎭🎬📽️skills, brilliantly, thank you ‼️‼️‼️‼️❕❕❕❕❗❗❗❗
And Sulieman says he did not throw any innocent life into fire, but Mehmed, his grandson, what was his fault?
Say thanks to Mahidevran and Mihrunnisa, they wanted to dethrone Suleiman and put Mehmed on throne 😂
@@sarahdemir776 still an innocent child.
@@b.3049 Not innocent! 🤣
@@dakotaashleyn yes. He was.
@@b.3049 No he wasn’t and he paid for his eviil mother and grandmothers sins
Fatma could play with Hürrem but not Suleiman. In the harem's fights Sultans forgot this. Suleiman is above everyone
No one has been able to say these words, Bravo Fatma sultan ,carrying dynasty blood and being daughter of Yavuz Sultan Selim requires that
Shosho botttt, what are you blllabbering? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@shoshokikocockerspaniel67ll8 I didn't know you were a bot too, I wonder you all are controlled by the same person
One of the few actresses and character that acted like royalty.
@@hjurassic7142 hahahahahahaa! Bot shoshooo!
Selim who? Suleiman’s father who tried killing Suleiman for throne? Fatma who? Who tried pitting Mustafa against brothers many times? Eviil 🗑 Fatma? 🤧
I like Fatma Sultan character. She brought a new fresh air at the drama.
Finally, someone tell him the truth. Bravo, Fatma.
This is easily the best scene in this series
I like the way fatma sultana was leaving she just smiled she doesnt care
Suleiman' s all sisters and also his mother,not to forget mahidevran,were all evil& cruel to the core but were in delusional belief that only hurrem was cruel 😎😎all of suleimans sisters were highly saddistic in nature too 😎
Agreed yes
Non muslims😈😈👹 love hurrem, and we exactly know why
Only beihan not that bad
Okay, but Sah *never* plan any coup against Sultan Suleiman
No one is good nor hurrem then why Sulaiman always protect hurrem only? That's injustice as a ruler. So he have priorities whom to kill? He doesn't bothered about killing Ibrahim, Mustafa etc but when come to his loved one he became selfish. Do you think this is how a ruler should perform
to beee honestt fatmass Roast was better than Suleiman she washeeddd him and finally someone Stood up to him and tell the truth that's why he Flipped outt
He didn’t flippp out. He shuttt her down with facts🤣
Fatma embarrassed herself totally and he flushed her down with facts👋🏼🚽
whatt factt the only thing he said was a factt was that hurrem is very loyal to him Except that he just Screamed and what she said was became true sultan suliyaman last dayss were Horrible he was veryy sick and in pain and had no one left that Except Mihremahh
hahahahahaha! What are you blllabbing! Fatma diiied aloone! Suleimann diied surrounded with loving daughtter and friends! Fatma was 🤡🤡
Alsooo Suleiiman shuttt her down with facts 🤣🤣🤣
Fatma embarrassed herself totally and he flushed her down with facts👋🏼🚽
She left like a🤡 she was 😂 Suleiman died as winnner surrounded with friends and loving daughter. He diied on war field, U 🤡
No matter what you say about fatma, what she said was true, actually suleiman too died quite literally the same way as his father
I love her defiance...this acress did a supreme job of acting in this scene...
Fatma was the 1st and last person who found the courage to tell the truth to Suleyman! A truth which knew and hurt him! Everything because of the throne, the power!
All mothers would wield power for their children in no less a way than Hurrem.
@@amysolley4268 I'm talking about Suleyman and the way he treated his sons! Hürrem is another matter!
And then? He's the Sultan, of course he must defending his throne. Throne is symbol of power and stability. If monarch just gave up their throne easily, the throne lost its prestige and people who has some power will do anything whatever they want. In Ottoman histiory, it's happened after the reign of Mustafa I. After Mustafa I dethroned, the throne lost its authority. Jannissaries deposed and even killed sultan whatever they want. State lost its stability and ordinary people suffered.
@@keizelharf5393 Suleyman deeply was jealous of his sons, because he wanted to stay in history as the most magnificent Sultan in Ottoman Empire. Something which he wouldn't happened if Mustapha, who was skilful and smart like his father, would succeed to ascend the throne!
ROSE, I can’t stop laughing🤣🤣 Sulleiman was most magnificent sultan for all his accomplishments. Mustfafa was weakkkk! He would never be great sultan! Sulleiman always supported his best son Mehmed! Try better
Here is the thing pretty much everyone hated Hurrem because they thought she was a grasper and social climber they could not see what her husband saw that she really liked him and he knew it , so in between a woman who loved him and an army of backstabbing relatives he chose her side , he didn’t choose her side because she was evil , she chose her because despite being evil ( or at the very least ruthless and cunning) she was always loyal to her husband.
I agree, I think Sultan Suleiman always knew Hurrem did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. She wasn't evil nor did she start problems. She was spunky, marched to the beat of her own drum and was free to be who she wanted to be. She didn't let Valide, hatice, Mahidevran, Ibrahim, Mustafa, Sah and Fatma change who she was. Nor did she shy away from a fight. Sulieman knew she had a big heart and that she was truly a good person.
She was above all the most honest with Suliman
SO, I read here by one Hurrem’s 🤡 hater this👉🏼 “how was Hurrem loyal, she was listening to Divan meeting secretly!1!1!1 🤣🤪Like this proves Hurrem’s disloyalty!1!1!1! 🤦🏻♀️
FEW FACTS for Hurrem’s haters:
👉🏼 On the show Hurrem listened to divan meetings secretly, because she knew that some pashas, who were Mustafa’s supporters were plotting against her sons. She wanted to know about their plans to eliminate them. She never betrayed Suleiman or his Throne.
👉🏼 For those who don’t know, it’s recorded by REAL HISTORY that Hurrem was official Divan member, attending meetings, voting, listening to males and taking part of the meetings “under the dome”, which is called the Kubbealtı.
Hurrem also had a seal, that allowed her to correspond to MALE rulers and kings around the world. Before that females of the empire were only allowed to correspond with female rulers (like empress or queen : Russia and England) or princesses. Hurrem acted as a diplomat with foreign powers through her letters using the title of Shah (queen), from the day she became first and only wife of Padisah in Ottoman history. It is seen that his signature is always referred to as " The State of İsmetlu Hürrem Shah Sultan Aliyyetü'ş-Şân".
The diplomatic letters of Hurrem sultan are kept in Topkapi Palace-Museum. 🤗
This is one of my favourite scenes.finally, one have the courage to say that straight to his face. What she said was right. They are not angels nor hurrem, then what is the difference between them. Why Sulaiman always protect hurrem only? Because she serves his ego to retain in the throne. Both hurrem & Sulaiman need power. Hurrem support Sulaiman not only because she is in love but she will be overthrown if Suleiman loose the throne
Wrong wrong and wrong… Fatma knew nothing about why Ibrahim was killed, Sultan Suleiman never gave a reason however we know it was because of treason. Hatice killed herself out of grief for her cheating husband. Mustafa also made many mistakes and end the end lost his life due to it. People forget Sultan Suleiman was a King before anything else and he did what needed to be done. Someone who doesn’t understand love wouldn’t understand the relationship between Suleiman and Hurrem so they will judge their love. Fatma had nothing to live for at this point hence her mouth being so bold.
Noone is innocent....Hurrem never wanted to replaced you ,cause if you fall she will fall too....there is no love is all about power
If your husband is with you, no one can ever hurt you , not even his mother and sister but unfortunately this ist not often the case😧
Ibrahim was truly Hurrem's best and most dangerous ennemy. He was intelligent, powerful, talented and blessed with the sultan's friendship since childhood. After his death, no one could top him or even come close to him.
I'd say Shah came in pretty close. And if they didn't have to switch out Hurrem's actress mid series, it would of been interesting to see Shah's final confrontation with Hurrem.
Then again, we would of been robbed of what was arguably Mihrimah's most badass moment.
1:30 love how Suleiman shuttt Fatma down and kicked him back to street where she belonged 🗑👋🏼
Fatma thought she did something but Suleiman left her speechless saying he always knew Hurrem was not innocent angel, but still Hurrem was milllion times better human than 🗑 Fatma 🤣
I love fatma sultan, whatever she saying it’s truth , sultan suleiman was cruel man, he killed his own blood, he didn’t even care until he became ill after that he never experienced peace until he died .
He is the Sultan, the Supreme, his words are law. As what he thought Selim and Bayazid when they were kids, a Sultan must be heartless. Being heartless he can decide and imposed decisions and penalties to all subjects, whoever he is, he maybe a stateman, his sons, or ordinary people. Emotion should be set aside. As a sultan he is not acting as father, he shouldnt have feelings as father, to be fair to everyone. But he is only human, he felt the pain when he is alone. I just dont understand why the royal family members dont understand this monarchy laws.
Глупости уби го защото той го предаде хиляди пъти ,а за мир му султана не можа да преживее Хюрем за него тя беше всичко
she is blaming Suktan as if mustafa wasn't involved in rebel
Atleast apart from Hurrem one woman did dared him & It was Fatma... Kudos! She called a spade a spade. Though I'm not too much fan of her but I think she did speak our mind...
What ever fatma said is true. The throne is filled with blood and sin.
What kind of loyalty that let her kill your son and make you Tormented by the pain of loss , she is a murderer, you too Suliman 😒
Hahahahahahaaha! Really? So she should waittt for mustfafa to killl her sons? You 🤡🤡🤡
Hahahahahaha! She never killlled his son? She was protttecting her children from Mustafafa! You🤡🤡🤡
Hahahahahaha! She never killlled his son? He killled him because he was traiitor! Sit down!
She never killled her son? 😂😂😂 She is smart and strong woman and loves Sullleiman and her children more than her liife! Sullleiman killed his traiitor son
Hurrem never killled his son. Sullleiman did😂😂😂 Mustffafa was a liiarrr! Mustafa openly defied and ignored orders of Suleiman multiple times, lied on many things-including his wedding. He also threattened Hurrem many times, he was also aware that his allies formed a secret group aiming to dethrone Suleiman and he gave them gifts and monney, instead of doing something. Sulleiman warned him many times to stop crossing the line- watch episode 100, but Musfafa still continued being rebbbell. So he got his end!
Mahidervan killlled Sullleiman’s son Mehmed, botttt
Fatmas words were soo true and happened later
She admitted something hurrem never did
Respect fatma sultan
Hahahahahaha! Cllownnnn BOTt! Hurrem always spoke facts, Fatma spoke liies! That’s why she was kickked from palace🤣
Fatma whooo? 🤣🤣🤣 Shossshooo BOTT, Fatma was the one who tried killing Hurrem’s sons for throne! Alsooo Hurrem always said truth and Fatma got kickkked to 🗑
Убица на деца ли да уважаваме тя ако обичаше братски щеше да уважи избора му а то е Хюрем
So satisfying scene, valide sultan defeated fatma hatun
she surrendered herself lol, don't give this victory to Hürrem
@@hussainsultanzada6123 it's her victory she did it to fatma
She didn't surrender, she was forced to speak, she knew that she won't be left alive anyway she would have the ending of her sisters.
Haseki Hurrem Sultan. She never became Valide sultan, as she died before the sultan!
@@annatamparow4917 she became valide sultan
@@annatamparow4917 someone never understand that Hurrem was not officially valide sultan
He's only mad because she's telling him the truth.
He is not maaad, he is shuttting her with facts.
He was not madd, he zipped her mouth with facts 1:30 🤧
@@sarahdemir776 What facts? Tha Roxelana is no angel? We agree on that point!
@@camiyep0lat7585 What facts? That Roxelana is no angel? Valiant Fatma Sultan, real daughter of Yavuz Sultan Selim!
@@annatamparow4917 hahahahahaha! You agaiiin bottttt! He is telling facts that No one is angel! Cryyy cryyyy!
The palace is clean of trsitors now, nobody left, the future teller in episode 46 predicted this
That future teller predicted Hurrem by the way
@@hjurassic7142 she predicted her victory yes
But at the end of this scene, she found herself a new project.... Nurbano 😹😹
@@munazah9838 fake and unecesssary, nurbanu doesn't count
But in the end nurbanu wins. Hurrem couldn’t break her wings.
No she doesn’t win🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hurrem won as greatest sultana. And nurbanu stayed aloone as most haated! Even by her husband 🤡🤡🤡
Wins what? 😂😂😂 Hurrem diied, Nurbanu never won. Hurrem stayed greatest Queen and Nurbany stayed most haated in history. Even her husband dumppped her and hated her 🤣
Nurbany never won🤣 Hurrem diied as greatest sultana and stayed the greatest even after 500 years. Nurbanu “won” drunk Selim who was never loyall to her. She widowed after 8 years and she is known as most haated sultana. In the end Safiye destrroyed her. ✋🏼
Loyality thats true nowdays is same, nobody have loyality.....
All fatma said came to pass except the part of hurrem seeing the death of one more son. She was spared the pain of seeing her son killed by her beloved Suleiman
Selim actually killed Baye.
@@S070-g8q no Suleiman killed beyazid
They made you mad, and never forget to bow 😂😂😂…this director is amaizing👊🏻👊🏻
Hurrem is no angel but i like hurrem more than the other because she didn’t pretend to be angel and didn’t act innocent unlike the other who were so convince there are the heroes and I can do no wrong. No one is innocent in this show and everyone has done terrible thing to each other. I do pity Mustafa because he didn’t deserve the ending that he got but unfortunately only one son can get the throne and the ones didn’t get the throne would have killed. I believe Mehmet would have best successor personally but mustafa would been my second choice.
Bro needed somebody to tell him the truth 🎉
Hurrem manipulated Suleiman into killing his own son...what is that if not a betrayal?
Hahahahahah! No bottt, she didn’t mannipulate him. Sulleiman decided this himself, as Musfafa was liiarr and traiitor! Try harder 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmaoooo whattt? Suleiman was the smartest Padisah, Magnificent and you are saying she maniipulated him? 😆😆 She never told him to kill Mustafa! Mustafa liied Suleiiman milllion times, he was killed as liar and traiitor! Get over it!
Whaaat? She didn’t! 🤦🏻♀️ He was greatest ruler - MAGNIFICENT! What are you watching? Hurrem never told him to kill Mustafa? Sulleiman never trusted mustafa for his lies and thousands mistakkes for years! Suleiiman could exile mustafa but he wanted to kill him! Lmaooo stop making Hurrem eviil and Mustafa angel🤣🤣🤣
I dont know if you understand that all the answers you took under your comment have been written by the same person who wrote by three different profiles to persuade you that Suleiman was the best personality of the world!!!!!!!!!🤣🤣omg
Your comment is right. Hurrem always blamed Mustafa and look Ed constantly for his mistakes in order to make him arrear as a traitor.She set a lot of traps to get rid Prince Mustafa. Finally, with Mihrimah' s deceitful way and ambush, she did it.
I love hurrem the most. But this is the truth.
“ i have never killed an innocent “
Mustafa : seen
IT isn’t that satisfying as I’d hope IT would be.. I was hoping she would be exiled or something. she left the Palace Free and still has everything despite inciting her people against hurrem..
Fatma's eyebrow in any incomprehensible situation: up up up ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️!!!
Fatma acting like everyone except hurrem was Saint .
@Hope Logan 2+2=fish
@@kimkai.823 Not only is this return awesome---not all of us Hürrem fans dislike Nurbanu! We're not some collective hive mind, y'all.
@@Redluna32 exactly. I like nurbanu cause of her cunning mind and how she protected herself and Selim. Also hurrem herself admits that she is no angel and we accept that too.
@@Redluna32 you are not Hurrem fan, we know you! Hahahah
@Hope Logan Not only Hurrem’s fans. Everyone haated Nurbanu. Alsooo Nurbany was eviil in history and Hurrem was known as kind
If Valide Hafsa Sultan has long lived, she must very proud and happy having a brave and courageous daughter like Sultana Fatma
Very good answer she gave him
She was 🤡🤡🤡 And sulleiman shuttt her with facts!
She was eviiil, she tried killling Hurrem’s sons and she lost. Sulleiman shuttt her with true facts.
bwahahahha! Fatma was murrderer! She tried killling Hurrem and her children! Sulleiman shutttt her uppppp
Suleiman 's sisters have guts. Each one directly cursed him. Siblings. Some indicator. No alive brothers.
What Fatma know about Ibrahim and Hatice they died through their own faults not Suleiman's fault and she also equated Suleiman as cruel as her father Selim I meanwhile she cruel too to get rid Hurrem and her sons
In the real history, Ibrahim was executed due to corruption. His proven wealth is almost 60k duccats
@@ChickenSoup736 not only corruption but he considers himself a Sultan and Sultan's Trainer
New Hurrem actress doing scenes perfect and more deep than Maryam Oz.actress ,she is great actress and living the scenes as real
Fatima sultan is right 🔥
Hurrem drank what she thought was poison to prove her loyalty.
Fatma can be one of the most annoying characters in MC but man, that was something. Talking this way to a Padishah needs an extraordinary courage. None from his family dared to challenge his anger to that extent, she was the first. He could kill her in a blink but she still spoke her mind without compromise.
I think the only reason she spoke so freely was because she was past the point of caring about her own life. Her husband was just executed, she's still reeling from Mustafa's execution, Cihangir and I think Hurichan also just died around this point. She's lost so many people she loved in such a short time, and the people she thinks are responsible are roaming freely. At this point, she's had enough of the bulls*it that's going on she decided to say 'screw it' and call things out for what they were.
I think the one thing I could never understand about Fatma though was that she knew what would happen to Hurrems kids if Mustafa took the throne but she didn’t care. Had it been Selim instead of Mustafa that was killed Fatma probably would have celebrated.
I swear to God the arabic version is much better than the original one ♥️
" Personne n'est innocent" Il était juste là mais Hurrem et Suleyman étaient toujours les pires personnes💔
So true.
I like how she put in place The Sultan Süleyman
Every one is saying that hurrem have killed mustafa but jo body talks about mahidevran she also killed hurrem sons beyazid
Mehmed, not Bayazid
I think you mean Mehmed here? But, yes, I absolutely see your point here. I think it's just that people like to try to claim that Mahidevran only did that in the show while Hürrem is truly "guilty" of bringing down Mustafa, which, of course, is entirely false.
@@Redluna32 Mahidevran killled Gulfem’s children and Mehmed in real history, bottt! Try harder
@@Redluna32 Mahidevran was eviiil in real history and got kickkked from palace for beatting Hurrem. Hurrem was kind. Sit BOTT
@@jeanneaubert4193 Once again, way to prove you know absolutely nothing of the actual history. If anyone'd like to know some of it, by all means, feel free to ask me. Otherwise...bye, bye, bots 👋
Kata2 fatma sulthan membuat sulthan sulaiman bergetar menggebu-gebu....perkelahian,kematian dan kesedihan diistina yg sulthan sulaiman lakukan...karena dia gagal menjadi sulthan utsmaniah,suami dari para istri dan selrnya,ayah dari anak-anaknya...fatma sulthan mengingatkan bagaimana ayahnya mati...?sulthan sulaiman menyuruhnya diam dan mengusirnya dari istana....tetapi mulutnya yg penuh amarah tidak bisa membohongi kenyataan yang ada....fatma sulthan keluar pintu dengan membalikan badan dgn sindiran bahwa kau pembunuh putramu dan keluargamu...kau tidak pantas menjadi sulthan karena arogansi dan ambisimu....sulthan sulaiman tetap tidak mau mengakui bahwa dia bersalah telah membunuh pangeran mustafa walaupun kebenarannya seperti itu adanya...hidup fatma sulthan....
👏👏👏👏 fatma!
Fatma is 🤡🤡🤡🤡 and Sulleiman shuttt her down with facts! Cryyy😂
Fatma is absolute 🤡🤡 and she got sent to🗑
Fatma was the one eviiil and tried killing Hurrem’s sons many times. Sulleiman shuttt her down with facts! 🔥🔥🔥
Fatma whoooo? The eviill? She left palace as 🤡🤡 Sulleiman shuttt her down with truth and facts✋🏼
@@dakotaashleyn Fatma you are the best!!!!
You know what is really ugly about people, is that some of them are behaving the same way, each having different reasons to do so of course, but among them, some are worse than the others because they are utterly and disgustingly hypocritical. I consider Fatima and all those whom she enumerated, Valide, Mahidevran, Mustafa etc like that. At least Hurrem doesn’t pretend, at least she know her wrongs, and honestly who would have done otherwise in her difficult situation…
Also, Fatima always blames Suleiman about the slaughter and the blood shed, about him doing it for the throne, but it is his duty. Liking it or not, he has a duty and an empire weighting on his shoulders. If he show too much mercy, the people under his protection will suffer, plus seriously, his own family only brought problems and pain to him, how can they blame him while they were supposed to calm him, relax him, make him forget his responsibilities for a bit… Except Hurrem, everyone even his children were always dissatisfied with him, blamed him, and had their eyes on his power and throne. So how dare Fatima be so arrogant and self-sufficient ?
Gulfem was more loyal than Hurrem and also didn't harm anyone, was loved by everyone in family. Why did not she get any attention?
Hurrem was most lloyal! What show are you watching?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hurrem was milllion times more loyalll! Lmaooooo!
Gulfem always supported anyone who tried to harm Hurrem. She knew about each and every scheme and she even instigated a few herself.
the only sultan who dared to talk the sultan like that she’s so fearless