I'm so old I remember in the 80s where the mantra was that we needed immigrants to pay for our pensions. I knew it was all cr@p back then, but honestly, I never envisioned our politicians to actually have our pensioners pay for immigrants to sit on their butts in 5 star hotels. Our leaders are literally insane.
What are Government getting out of all these illegals.......the public are paying by working to keep them....absolute madness. Britain never will be slaves ??? what happened.
It's costing the British taxpayer 14 million a day to keep the illegal men in hotels, so what's she saying is the elderly who have paid into the system can freeze but the illegals in hotels won't have the same problem
pointing to one bloated expense does not justify another bloated expense. The taxpayer should not be paying for either. If you are going to take the position that no particular item of spending can be cut because another isn't then you're not going to get any spending cuts.
Will NEVER effect her or her FAMILY she probably gets more in FALSE EXPENSES THAN A PENSIONER GETS IN A YEAR ANTI BRITISH CHRISTIAN PEOPLE PATRIOTS PIECE OF SHIT
Can you imagine what she'd say if we took away her £3,400 heating allowance? MP's with loadsa money, like that creature, can all leave their heating on 24/7 at our expense while we oldies sit well wrapped up all winter!!!! 🥶
You voted Reform though so you voted for Labour by default - don't try to escape your responsibility - Peter Hitchens was correct. Labour voters WANT THIS.
its a money laundering scheme, india said a few weeks ago , don't send it we dont need it or want it ....i know how they feel , someone came up to me in peterboro once and asked if i was looking for somewhere to doss for the night ! i said im not homeless you cheeky barsteward
As a pensioner I note it has been forgotten that many of us left school at 15 years old (didn't have a gap year or stay in higher education to do a pointless degree or just turn up illegally in this country) and then paid into the government coffers for the next five decades...
Well said. In the sixties it was only clever people who went to university. The subjects were science, maths, etc, in other words stuff that was important. None of your gender studies crap. "I've been to yoonee". Big fkn deal.
But the Boomers have and are taking far more than they ever paid in, at the expense of their children and grandchildren. This is of course why you should be means tested and expected to spend your savings before taking a pension, and not be able to essentially hide so much of your assets in property where it can't be means tested.
@@JohnJones-cp4wh Correct. There is no obligation to sit in the lords chamber once signed in. A lot use it as city club to dine & entertain their own circle of cronies.
The benefits system in this country is so backwards. If you have contributed nothing you are given everything, but if you have _anything_ you are given nothing.
Actually not true. If you have worked all your life and for unforeseen reasons you are made unemployed you are not given everything. In fact you will be humiliated and hounded. Do not forget that the majority of working people receive Universal Credit.
@rosarose3443 1. You've misunderstood me. We both agree that if you've worked, then you are not given anything like the assistance that someone who has never worked receives. 2. Less than two and a half million people are on universal credit. There are over thirty million people working in the UK.
How can the spend money on those who shouldn't be here, and ditch those who have done what was asked of them for a full lifetime.These politicians are utterly deluded.
I was living in the US for the past 25 years. I noticed that the Dem party was progressively moving in speech to put the immigrant ahead of the native citizen, then their talk seemed to put the illegal migrant ahead of both the legal immigrant and the natively born American. Finally,.their policies and talk became outward hatred to any native citizen. As I watched this happen, I thought it was going to be a failed political strategy. How can a party win if it openly hated and worked against the interests of their own voters? Well, it seems to be working and happening around the world....why it's working is baffling.
Yes, I know a guy who's never worked, he's on pension credit and god knows what else, it boils my p-ss. While my father in law who is in his 80s and never claimed anything and also got turned down disability payments when he had to be off work some years ago for a triple heart bypass, he went back to work as a ground worker and worked well into his 70s, and now they are taking his winter fuel payment. I hate these people.
Here in the states , our drug inforcement agency is putting doctors in prison for " illegally perscribing opiods " Of course , whats the limit one can perscribe ? Yeah says dea we dont tell drs what to do . Many very ill people and surgery patients are dying from the opiod sparing policys . Torture in other words . Also going after doctors who do d and c ( removing fetal tissue ) when a woman miscarries . Not the same as abortion . The plan is to get rid of thr health care system just like whats happening in your country . Let the useless eaters go buy by .
14 million for mosque security, 31 million for government security, 84 million to Africa, 3 billion to Ukraine every year , let alone the foreign aid bill 🙄 !
I am absolutely disgusted at the idea of means testing the state pension. People who have worked hard, contributed and saved all of their lives for a comfortable retirement should not have anything taken from them.
We could stop funding a dubious war in Ukraine, giving money to Africa for ? education, stop giving handouts to asylum seekers, and turn the boats back, send any foreign criminals back to their own country. Stop this "net zero " nonsense, and re open our coal power stations, frack, stop importing energy. By creating our own energy. By the way wind turbines only last about 20 years, these huge creations are made from different materials which are fused together, making them impossible to recycle, what happens to that mass of material once they are past their use? We are using precious farmland to build ugly solar farms, we could invest in our farmers, grow more food, stop importing, eat locally and seasonally, that would save money.
The reality is that the poorest people in the UK are still incredibly wealthy on any kind of global scale and while being poor in a wealthy country can't be fun you aren't going to face the same challenges as (most of) the recipients of foreign aid. Chances are most people in the UK are within the top 3-5% of global wealth and still get some benefits of our welfare state on top of that. Yes it isn't right that nurses need to use food banks, but that isn't really the same as children dying from preventable illnesses and lack of clean water. £1,000 goes extremely far for addressing problems for the bottom 5% of the world (even when used inefficiently), but not that far for the top 5%. Couple this with the fact that foreign aid is already a small part of the government budget it makes me question why is this the part that is for frequently looked to as a way to solve our problems. This amount wouldn't even make a dent in UK inequality so why does it seem to be the first thing people want to cut? (It is extremely good value for money.) The fact that the top earners should support those less fortunate is almost universally accepted when talking domestically, but as soon as we broaden the lens it becomes extremely controversial. I assume I am not the only person who finds that shocking?
Labour hates British people especially the old as that’s not their voter base or target voter. Early into the Labour government and it’s not going well and I am definitely not saying 14 years of Tory incompetence was any better. The whole system needs to change
Did any pensioners vote Labour?I voted Reform,the £20000 tax bracket etc.How DARE Labour do this?How DARE they?Starmer was recorded blathering on about how much he hated to imagine pensioners having to choose between heating and eating.Hypocrite!Well my conscience is clear,i didnt vote for them.
Neither did the four+ million others of us who voted Reform, for negligible representation. Perhaps more enlightenement next time?. Unfortunately for the enlightened pensioners among us, old father time is not on our side.
As a boy in the 1950s I went with my mother to vote and after she had voted she said it looks like Labour is going to get in, I asked her what that means, she said the trouble with Labour getting in means the money always runs out. Very true words.
Foreign investment always reduces with Labour in charge. Two thirds of the electorate voted against Labour. The millions who didn’t bother voted with their absence. Hardly a landslide Labour victory. Don’t know who Labour represents but it’s certainly not British working class. Seems to be a plan to destroy Britain as we knew it.
@@jeremykille4689 And the people were never going to vote for a super-rich Indian to be their PM anyway. Would Indians, Nigerians etc vote for someone of foreign ancestry to lead them? No, of course they wouldn't.
Yes because the private coffers are so large and expansive those in control have no greater incentive to make it larger. rule by capital and all of that
@@MrJC1 The outdated voting system made sure Reform voters were punished by not getting the representation they should have done. Be sure Labour won't want this to change until they stand to lose by it
Considering how pensioners were treated during Covid I'm not surprised at all. As far as these leftist woke tsars are concerned we are oxygen thieves. Any pensioner who voted Labour at the last general election did themselves in.
The way that reeves announced it was so utterly callous , like she was actually enjoying it , despicable and inhuman, totally different from the smiley face that was begging for votes four weeks earlier.
Not only fuel payment but their eyes are on the state pension (now they call benefit) as well. Labour is desperate to raise money to fund those millions of migrants
Yes they call the pension a benefit, They also say the only people to get winter fuel allowance are on benefits so when it suits the bastards they don’t count the pension as a benefit do they ? 😊
Yesterday I receive my pension and found that I have been taxed. Mt Pension doesn't make me wealthy, far from it. I am relieved the I moved to Bulgaria a number of years ago because there is no way that I can possibly afford to line in the UK. I am now a ENGLISH REFUGEE
How was the process of relocating to Bulgaria? Did you have to jump through many hoops? How does the cost of living compare? Are the locals amenable? This may be a decent plan for many planning retirement and who don't wish to see their hard earned cash squandered.
Imagine being any person and voting for anybody, it's a bigger fool's lottery than the Lotto, and at least, one might win something with that scam, but one can only lose by voting!
There was an opportunity to get rid of FPTP years ago the people who want it gone now were likely silent back then, they have no problems with the system just that it doesn't suit them currently.
PR would be a desperate move and wouldn’t make any difference, look at the Republic of Ireland or indeed all Europe parliaments all the same all run by the elite establishment based in and run by the un and nato
Older people who have probably worked all their lives, raised families, scrimped and saved are now going to help pay for people who have not put a penny into the coffers and have no intentions of working. It looks like we're running out of working people to balance the books.
Like many older folks,i left school and straight into work,where,obviously like a mug,i worked for 40 + years.Paying maybe £300000 into the state.No Uni,no gap year,just getting up at 7am and grafting.Now ive retired this year,Labour see me as a sponger,a useless article.I can freeze to death,maybe that would free up my house,so they can put an immigrant family in it?
Surprisingly few people actually voted for them. Their massive majority is a consequence of the electoral system. Large numbers of previously Tory voters didn't vote, or voted for Reform or the LDs. Labour kept quiet about what their policies were and won by default.
They need to stop giving money to Ukraine and other countries, stop spending millions a day on migrants and local councils need to stop wasting it as well.
My pension IS. NOT. Benefit. I've worked and paid for it all my life. Pensioners need to employ lawyers to fight this. It's OUR money, not the governments.
She's nothing more than a hypocrite, I didn't hear her say I'm going to scrap the MPs expenses, because surely getting over £90k a year is enough to buy their own lunches 🤬
You hear this argument all the time but even if you scrapped all MPs salaries and expenses completely it would be purely symbolic and make practically no difference to the national finances.
I am 76 and still working because the pension isn't enough to keep me going. I have always worked and paid tax. Pension is not a present I paid for it. Not like all the scroungers. Including MP's What do they do anyway
Don`t forget you paid for all the Public Sector, they never put a penny into the pot. They try to tell you they pay taxes too, but they don`t, they only get less of your money. Oh, and don`t forget two pensions, neither of which did they contribute to.
When labour target our pensioners for raising revenue and cutting their much needed winter fuel payments, they lose the support of not only the pensioners but also all those who have elderly relatives who are struggling. Why not cut the £170+ 4 star hotel accommodation costs per person we pay for those crossing the channel illegally?😲🤔 Strangely, they didn't mention anything about withdrawing the winter fuel payments during their general election campaign.😮🤔
Blame all those who voted Labour in the General Election . I was shocked to see them voted in with a clear majority to do what they like . I certainly didn't vote for Starmer and his left wing loonies who are certainly going to put the boot into what's left of the UK .
@@david1964.Democracy? Circa 66% of voters didn't vote Labour. It always the same in the UK. The party with often a huge majority of seats ALWAYS got well under 50% of votes cast. And the call that the settled "will of the people". And in stuff like the HoL along with a raft of Quangos and the word democracy really doesn't mean much in the UK these days.
We all knew it was coming yet we still elected them with a huge majority. Now old people who have paid into the system their whole working lives will be penalised, so that our new arrivals can be housed and looked after. Labour voters enjoy the next five years.
@@thomasrobert4654bollocks what? Somehow the people born at a certain time who had no say in any policies are to blame. Well fuck me that’s a stupid statement isnt it.
Took the words out of my mouth, Ukraine and Israhell many billions found no problem, ditto immigrants hotels,,and luxury kit they all seem to have, Reeves and Rayner, are both Khazars, and believe in the maxim," the goyim are all beasts ",I've been tipping the following for years, NHS is now on brink of collapse, and OAPs will be blamed, the gutter press,led by the dueish Sun, will begin a campaign of vilification, u know what it,ll work, remember the old classic, "immigrants come to do the jobs the lazy english wont do, xxxxxx
I bought my first house for £3,500. My weekly wage was £15. No television, no mobile phone, no holidays for twenty years. Self employed, paying taxes. Former serviceman regular and reserves. What a wonderful position for Labour to take.
Tory-Starmer’s Pseudo-Labour Government is having to make EXTREMELY difficult economic decisions because of the trail of absolute destruction left behind by successive Tory governments since 2010; subsequently the country has very little money, public services need re-building, and funding, therefore this government’s decision to limit the Winter Fuel Allowance to those who need is the right policy; otherwise billions of pounds would be wasted on paying the Winter Fuel Allowance to privileged pensioners who live in the south where temperatures never drop below -2 Degrees. You told an outright LIE when you stated that the government will be denying 90% of pensioners the Winter Fuel Allowance. Lastly another outright lie you told is that the government wants pensioners who own their home to sell their homes so that the government can house asylum seekers, this too is another outright lie. It is blatantly obvious that you are an outright LIAR, who always resorts to deception to manipulate your gullible and brainless subscribers.
@@jerrytaylor146 why as a Liberal are you relying on a state pension if you believed in your values you'd pay as little as possible toward the state and manage your wealth independently you're not some kind of communist are you.
Pensioners overwhelmingly don't vote Labour, especially ones that have saved for a (modest) private pension. Doctors, civil servants and new immigrants generally do. This was an easy political calculation for Reeves.
@@hurstmitchell6392 And without a stated alternative for the illegal immigrants, lets be clear, they are not asylum seekers, they'll happily keep paying out £6.8 Billion every year.
It's much higher, apparently. Then, when they get processed, they claim more, and if they have children that follow or have children when here, we will be paying for their education, which is about 7.5k for each child every year.
@@user-vt5yd4od8m Have you ever seen any ex politician, local councilor etc struggling to cope and heat their house, pay the bills once they retire????
When the hospitals are full with the frail elderly on low incomes dying of hypothermia due to being to worried about their gas bill. Whilst the illegal migrants are housed in warm hotels this winter.
@@juliewills8034 1. Old people are more susceptible to the cold. 2. It’s a way to show respect and gratitude to the older generation. That said, handing out money (just like child benefit) is a terribly inefficient way to run things. It would be far better for the government to abolish stamp duty, slash fuel tax, replace the 20% VAT with a 5% sales tax, slash if not outright abolish income tax, abolish inheritance tax, AND STOP SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY.
Remember this youngsters .. you (if lucky) will live to ne pensioners one day, you will have paid into pensions and investments and work hard to leave a legacy for your children/ grandchildren on the basis that is what you are being told to do. Then, just like the OAPs now, you will have the rug pulled, whether thats due to increasing the retirement age , without you looking, means testing everything etc. etc.
Got to get the money for the immigrants, thanks pensioners.......you couldnt make it up!!
I'm so old I remember in the 80s where the mantra was that we needed immigrants to pay for our pensions. I knew it was all cr@p back then, but honestly, I never envisioned our politicians to actually have our pensioners pay for immigrants to sit on their butts in 5 star hotels.
Our leaders are literally insane.
@@johnsmithers8913 Ready Peter Sutherlands Manifesto.
What are Government getting out of all these illegals.......the public are paying by working to keep them....absolute madness. Britain never will be slaves ??? what happened.
Is that not an act of treason
@@johnsmithers8913 you conflate mass immigration with the refugee crisis most immigrants are contributing to the tax base.
It's costing the British taxpayer 14 million a day to keep the illegal men in hotels, so what's she saying is the elderly who have paid into the system can freeze but the illegals in hotels won't have the same problem
Of course they won't. They're the new voter base, gotta look after them 🤢
14 million lining the pockets of hotel owners and share holders which are largely older pension aged people lmao.
pointing to one bloated expense does not justify another bloated expense. The taxpayer should not be paying for either. If you are going to take the position that no particular item of spending can be cut because another isn't then you're not going to get any spending cuts.
Horrible woman. Can you imagine what she would have said if the Conservatives had removed the heating allowance !
Will NEVER effect her or her FAMILY she probably gets more in FALSE EXPENSES THAN A PENSIONER GETS IN A YEAR ANTI BRITISH CHRISTIAN PEOPLE PATRIOTS PIECE OF SHIT
Can you imagine what she'd say if we took away her £3,400 heating allowance? MP's with loadsa money, like that creature, can all leave their heating on 24/7 at our expense while we oldies sit well wrapped up all winter!!!! 🥶
Big friend of Israel.
Apparently, a Christian.
I've never voted Labour....my conscience is very clear.....😳🙄🙄🇬🇧
Snap
Same here
You voted Reform though so you voted for Labour by default - don't try to escape your responsibility - Peter Hitchens was correct. Labour voters WANT THIS.
@@scepteredisle Labour voters want what exactly?....Apart from their heads looking at, obviously..🙄😳🇬🇧
The two main parties have had their day........what will come along other than Reform goodness knows. Throw out the old let in the new.
Why are we sending aid money to India when they are spending billions on a space program?
Protection money
why sending Billions to Ukraine to keep a proxy War going to aid the arms industry.
Because they still think we have a empire.
its a money laundering scheme, india said a few weeks ago , don't send it we dont need it or want it ....i know how they feel , someone came up to me in peterboro once and asked if i was looking for somewhere to doss for the night ! i said im not homeless you cheeky barsteward
As a pensioner I note it has been forgotten that many of us left school at 15 years old (didn't have a gap year or stay in higher education to do a pointless degree or just turn up illegally in this country) and then paid into the government coffers for the next five decades...
Well said. In the sixties it was only clever people who went to university. The subjects were science, maths, etc, in other words stuff that was important. None of your gender studies crap. "I've been to yoonee". Big fkn deal.
That is exactly my experience.
Right but you also let your children be deceived into all that.
But the Boomers have and are taking far more than they ever paid in, at the expense of their children and grandchildren. This is of course why you should be means tested and expected to spend your savings before taking a pension, and not be able to essentially hide so much of your assets in property where it can't be means tested.
@@angelmartin7310You hit the nail with one word, Deceived. The general public are always being Deceived, especially now.
They won’t Abolish the most expensive old people’s home AKA , The House of Lords . £300 a day just for sitting on a bench and falling asleep .
Yes that bitch will probably end up there 😊
£360. Plus £26 for breakfast.
They only need to sign in, and then piss off for the day.
Whilst abolishing the Lords it’s about time the Royal family are ditched as well
@@JohnJones-cp4wh Correct. There is no obligation to sit in the lords chamber once signed in. A lot use it as city club to dine & entertain their own circle of cronies.
The benefits system in this country is so backwards. If you have contributed nothing you are given everything, but if you have _anything_ you are given nothing.
It’s called socialism
Same as the work system, do more and get paid less.
"You'll own nothing and be happy."
Sound familiar?
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Actually not true. If you have worked all your life and for unforeseen reasons you are made unemployed you are not given everything. In fact you will be humiliated and hounded.
Do not forget that the majority of working people receive Universal Credit.
@rosarose3443 1. You've misunderstood me. We both agree that if you've worked, then you are not given anything like the assistance that someone who has never worked receives.
2. Less than two and a half million people are on universal credit. There are over thirty million people working in the UK.
£14 m per year on Mosques security , £84 m per year to Africa, yeah, stuff the OAP’s who’ve been paying tax for 50 years.
become a lone wolf do your bit like the street fighters of southport hartlepool and london,mr nice guy gets shafted every day.
They need money to pay for their immigrant pets
immigrant labour voters
That description is very apt.
Investing in boat votes??
How can the spend money on those who shouldn't be here, and ditch those who have done what was asked of them for a full lifetime.These politicians are utterly deluded.
they do not fear you YET.
@@thomasrobert4654 More pawns in the game than players eh ?
@@thomasrobert4654 Love the word ( YET )
Labour have only been in government 4 weeks look at what they have started already and imagine it in 5 years time
I was living in the US for the past 25 years. I noticed that the Dem party was progressively moving in speech to put the immigrant ahead of the native citizen, then their talk seemed to put the illegal migrant ahead of both the legal immigrant and the natively born American. Finally,.their policies and talk became outward hatred to any native citizen.
As I watched this happen, I thought it was going to be a failed political strategy. How can a party win if it openly hated and worked against the interests of their own voters?
Well, it seems to be working and happening around the world....why it's working is baffling.
Join REFORM UK 🇬🇧
Fight for Great Britain 🇬🇧
Rule Britannia 🇬🇧
Did you not just see how the system is rigged so the smaller parties can’t get into power?
Are you all there? Why waste your time like that
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Those able to claim pension credit are better off then those of us who paid into the system. How the f**k is that right.
Yes, I know a guy who's never worked, he's on pension credit and god knows what else, it boils my p-ss. While my father in law who is in his 80s and never claimed anything and also got turned down disability payments when he had to be off work some years ago for a triple heart bypass, he went back to work as a ground worker and worked well into his 70s, and now they are taking his winter fuel payment. I hate these people.
Thank Gordon Brown for inventing it, he was living up to Jilted John's lyrics.
it isn't, but it it true that all those who played by the rules are getting ripped off while those who didn't get everything going.
@@daps9436 he was on a low wage but he was very careful and managed to save and pay in to a private pension! So no, that's not the point.
So Starmer is the o ly person in the UK not to pay any tax at all
Taking money off pensioners yet paying for wars abroad.
Labour has always hated people who save, it reduces their dependence on the state.
Thats the trouble with old people, they live too long..said a government spokesman very quietly 🤫
Life expectancy is falling but not as much as they would like.
@@robertbrown3413 exactly 💯
@@robertbrown3413Hello to you. Any comments why Life expectancy is falling ?
It's something I'm also aware ( just saying/asking )
Peace to all.
@@alankirkby465 No, lots of speculation but no investigation and no answers.
Here in the states , our drug inforcement agency is putting doctors in prison for " illegally perscribing opiods " Of course , whats the limit one can perscribe ? Yeah says dea we dont tell drs what to do . Many very ill people and surgery patients are dying from the opiod sparing policys . Torture in other words . Also going after doctors who do d and c ( removing fetal tissue ) when a woman miscarries . Not the same as abortion . The plan is to get rid of thr health care system just like whats happening in your country . Let the useless eaters go buy by .
Politicians like giving out other people’s money away , while their wallets get larger.
14 million for mosque security, 31 million for government security, 84 million to Africa, 3 billion to Ukraine every year , let alone the foreign aid bill 🙄 !
Not £14m for mosque security - £117m. Seriously, look it up!
7 Billion on hotel rooms alone for the supposed _asylum seekers._
16 Billion on supposed _refugee programmes._
142 Million to Israel.
@@John.Flower.Productions holy shi!! 23 billion?! That is absurd 🤢🤢
@clapamalex,hello, dont forget the £1 million for muz war memorial. Where is the money for lee rigby?
So fix the illegal immigrants and as if by magic, the 20bn "hole" is gone. Unless they don't want to fix it.... 🤔@@John.Flower.Productions
How can anyone vote for this shower is beyond me
I am absolutely disgusted at the idea of means testing the state pension.
People who have worked hard, contributed and saved all of their lives for a comfortable retirement should not have anything taken from them.
we must all have nothing and be happy = globalist communism.
You can tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their elderly.
you can tell a lot about a country by the way it's elderly treats it's youth.
Scrap ALL foreign aid. . .and the Labour Party.
Why are you talking about foreign aid lmao. The WELFARE STATE is the primary cause of our problems: time to cut welfare allowances.
Scrap History Debunked channel! 😜
We could stop funding a dubious war in Ukraine, giving money to Africa for ? education, stop giving handouts to asylum seekers, and turn the boats back, send any foreign criminals back to their own country. Stop this "net zero " nonsense, and re open our coal power stations, frack, stop importing energy. By creating our own energy. By the way wind turbines only last about 20 years, these huge creations are made from different materials which are fused together, making them impossible to recycle, what happens to that mass of material once they are past their use? We are using precious farmland to build ugly solar farms, we could invest in our farmers, grow more food, stop importing, eat locally and seasonally, that would save money.
@@user-fp7rc6sp5t Why?
The reality is that the poorest people in the UK are still incredibly wealthy on any kind of global scale and while being poor in a wealthy country can't be fun you aren't going to face the same challenges as (most of) the recipients of foreign aid.
Chances are most people in the UK are within the top 3-5% of global wealth and still get some benefits of our welfare state on top of that.
Yes it isn't right that nurses need to use food banks, but that isn't really the same as children dying from preventable illnesses and lack of clean water.
£1,000 goes extremely far for addressing problems for the bottom 5% of the world (even when used inefficiently), but not that far for the top 5%. Couple this with the fact that foreign aid is already a small part of the government budget it makes me question why is this the part that is for frequently looked to as a way to solve our problems. This amount wouldn't even make a dent in UK inequality so why does it seem to be the first thing people want to cut? (It is extremely good value for money.)
The fact that the top earners should support those less fortunate is almost universally accepted when talking domestically, but as soon as we broaden the lens it becomes extremely controversial. I assume I am not the only person who finds that shocking?
Labour hates British people especially the old as that’s not their voter base or target voter. Early into the Labour government and it’s not going well and I am definitely not saying 14 years of Tory incompetence was any better. The whole system needs to change
The Conservatives weren’t incompetent for the whole 14 years, only for the last 6-7.
Change no, abolish it. We can do it all ourselves.
kalergiplan
If the Tories had delivered what they promised to do several years ago, Labour would not be in power.
They all hate us.
Let’s screw the pensioners who paid into the system for forty years and look after migrants who have and probably never will pay into the system.
Fifty years for me.
@@paulyates5318 still paying tax on v. smal pension at age 65 ,
@@paulyates5318 I started paying in when i was fifteen years old .
@@paulyates5318 I started paying into the system aged fifteen in 1965.
@@paulyates5318same here 👍
Labour do this every time and people still voted them in 😂😂😂😂
This is why their main agenda is to flood more _voters_ into the nation.
WILL LABOUR LAST THE FULL TEARM
they are all two faced backstabbing hypocrites
Yes, but why do we keep forgetting that?
@CaldonianDude
I have never forgotten what blair and Labour did to this country, and I never will
they're not though are they
Now you know why they disarmed the people of Great Britain.
My reply, "Now you know why they disarmed the people of Great Britain," was censored.
They have just given 84 million to Africa.
Nuts to Africa, we've already got their loonies
21 million to Gaza
😮
@Chrisst1961 😮
Africa is a large continent with fifty-four countries. Which countries received the money, or was it divided by fifty-four?
Did any pensioners vote Labour?I voted Reform,the £20000 tax bracket etc.How DARE Labour do this?How DARE they?Starmer was recorded blathering on about how much he hated to imagine pensioners having to choose between heating and eating.Hypocrite!Well my conscience is clear,i didnt vote for them.
All the pensioners I know in my local pubs voted Labour.
@@magicburzum4048 They were fools then !
@@magicburzum4048 Well,they probably wont be able to go to the pub so much from now on i reckon.
Neither did the four+ million others of us who voted Reform, for negligible representation. Perhaps more enlightenement next time?. Unfortunately for the enlightened pensioners among us, old father time is not on our side.
@@daviddavies2945 you could go out with a bang instead of a whimper,one lone wolf act now could make up for a lifetime of ignorance and cowardice.
Let the pensioners live in the five star hotel's in
COMFORTS and Let the asylum seekers have some discomfort
As a boy in the 1950s I went with my mother to vote and after she had voted she said it looks like Labour is going to get in, I asked her what that means, she said the trouble with Labour getting in means the money always runs out. Very true words.
Foreign investment always reduces with Labour in charge. Two thirds of the electorate voted against Labour. The millions who didn’t bother voted with their absence. Hardly a landslide Labour victory.
Don’t know who Labour represents but it’s certainly not British working class.
Seems to be a plan to destroy Britain as we knew it.
Always remember folks, they want you gone and don't want you drawing your well earned pension..
I've said this for years.....
@@jeremykille4689 And the people were never going to vote for a super-rich Indian to be their PM anyway. Would Indians, Nigerians etc vote for someone of foreign ancestry to lead them? No, of course they wouldn't.
Now they worry us to death .
Most of the pensions are not well earned . How many people work 60 hours a week for 50 years far too few !
@@vordman WE have had plenty of foreign Kings and nobody moaned !
They calculate that most will be Tory voters. They prefer to pander to more active minorities.
Spot on. A high proportion of pensioners vote conservative.
By active do you mean stabbings?
They prefer to pander to more ethnic minorities, not active minorites
Starmer is as bad as Blair that’s saying something
Blair 2.0
Starmer the Harmer...a crony of Tony??
@@songsmith31a Because of his lack of condemnation of Israel, I've seen him called Kid Starver, thought it apt.
That is saying something. !!!!!!!!!.
The state pension in Britain is already the lowest paid in any European country.
Yes because the private coffers are so large and expansive those in control have no greater incentive to make it larger. rule by capital and all of that
Don't you wish you had voted reform? If you voted labour SHAME ON YOU
I did vote reform.
Sadly I didn't have the option of voting for Reform as they where unable to put forward candidates in many constituencies, mine included 😞
exactly -- labour voters are showing thier true colours.
I voted Reform. I did my bit, and I will do it again. So my conscience is clear whatever happens.
@@MrJC1 The outdated voting system made sure Reform voters were punished by not getting the representation they should have done. Be sure Labour won't want this to change until they stand to lose by it
Money for the king and for various wars, plus plenty of money for anyone coming into the country illegally.... But nothing in the pot for old people?
@@TheRamblingsofBry hear hear. 👏
Considering how pensioners were treated during Covid I'm not surprised at all. As far as these leftist woke tsars are concerned we are oxygen thieves. Any pensioner who voted Labour at the last general election did themselves in.
Well said.
Absolutely despicable. This one's for the history books.
As President Reagan said about the Democrats "its like giving your money to a drunken sailor"
I used to be a drunken sailor. 1960s and 1970s...
@@SaxonSuccess What shall we do with you? 😁
At least people illegally entering the country will be nice and warm in their free hotels this winter, Well free to them at least.
Not long until Logan's Run comes true
Soylent Green.
and Soylent Green
Both 🤢🤢🤢
@@stashedawayman1521A quick look around will tell you a lack of food is not a problem for most people.
It's going to be a very empty comments section when it does.
An even easier way would be to cut spending. A very novel idea that even the Conservatives lost sight of.
spending in certain hare brained areas.
The way that reeves announced it was so utterly callous , like she was actually enjoying it , despicable and inhuman, totally different from the smiley face that was begging for votes four weeks earlier.
I sincerely hope that bitch doesn’t reach pension age
What did you expect from a ZioNazi Jew, Typical tactics by the biggest, and most manipulative liars on earth
They don’t like old people. Old people vote for things like wanting to be a self governing, democratic nation.
I wonder how many people who voted Labour can honestly say they're proud of themselves?
Not only fuel payment but their eyes are on the state pension (now they call benefit) as well. Labour is desperate to raise money to fund those millions of migrants
The hundreds of millions of pounds are still going to Israel, so what if millions of British citizens suffer.
@@John.Flower.Productions But isn't that funding both sides ???
@@John.Flower.Productions Viva Israel.
Yes they call the pension a benefit, They also say the only people to get winter fuel allowance are on benefits so when it suits the bastards they don’t count the pension as a benefit do they ? 😊
@@clemobenoit5813 *Get a new phrase.*
I have literally read this exact thing, from this same fool, many times over the past few years.
Yesterday I receive my pension and found that I have been taxed. Mt Pension doesn't make me wealthy, far from it. I am relieved the I moved to Bulgaria a number of years ago because there is no way that I can possibly afford to line in the UK.
I am now a ENGLISH REFUGEE
I hope you have a nice old castle in Bulgaria.
I think the UK is the worst place for retirement.
Mate of mine also in Bulgaria. A ski resort called Bansko.
Do you feel safe in Bulgaria?
How was the process of relocating to Bulgaria? Did you have to jump through many hoops? How does the cost of living compare? Are the locals amenable? This may be a decent plan for many planning retirement and who don't wish to see their hard earned cash squandered.
Just think, some pensioners who voted for Rachel Reeves might freeze to death this winter. I wonder if they would have changed their vote 🗳
Its everyone they hate, however pensioners are pretty much unable to defend themselves, disgusting!
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8 million a day to pay for doctors and surgeons taxi fees
boycott RNLI UNICEF OXFAM RED CROSS
@@eileenspamer-kw3kz charities are the second biggest racket after the nhs.
It's risen... Fourteen million a day now.
😱🤬
@@robm8809Omg
They must be able to raise money from the second hand dinghy market?
Imagine being an old person and voting for these politicians 🙄
Yes, and I saw plenty of stickers in windows.🙄
@@dd7521In windows of mental hospitals
My uncle did and now he’s shocked that he’s lost his winter payment 😊
Well they've been voting our country into ruin for decades, why change now.
Imagine being any person and voting for anybody, it's a bigger fool's lottery than the Lotto, and at least, one might win something with that scam, but one can only lose by voting!
May I take this opportunity to thank all those people who voted Labour, you have my enduring gratitude.
They are too ignorant to even care.
Just 20% of the country voted for this government.
There was an opportunity to get rid of FPTP years ago the people who want it gone now were likely silent back then, they have no problems with the system just that it doesn't suit them currently.
PR would be a desperate move and wouldn’t make any difference, look at the Republic of Ireland or indeed all Europe parliaments all the same all run by the elite establishment based in and run by the un and nato
Not patriots obviously.
Older people who have probably worked all their lives, raised families, scrimped and saved are now going to help pay for people who have not put a penny into the coffers and have no intentions of working. It looks like we're running out of working people to balance the books.
It’s called socialism . Trouble is millions voted for it
Like many older folks,i left school and straight into work,where,obviously like a mug,i worked for 40 + years.Paying maybe £300000 into the state.No Uni,no gap year,just getting up at 7am and grafting.Now ive retired this year,Labour see me as a sponger,a useless article.I can freeze to death,maybe that would free up my house,so they can put an immigrant family in it?
Same here J sick to my stomach the money they give away then they come to us to make up the shortfall
Should've voted for more workers rights should've of put up a fight . silly games silly prizes
You get what you vote for.
--and they certainly did! Never vote for socialists!
Many of us didn't.
@@ant7936I voted Reform. Pity others voted Liebour.
Surprisingly few people actually voted for them. Their massive majority is a consequence of the electoral system. Large numbers of previously Tory voters didn't vote, or voted for Reform or the LDs. Labour kept quiet about what their policies were and won by default.
No longer how it works it seems. majority didn't vote for em
They need to stop giving money to Ukraine and other countries, stop spending millions a day on migrants and local councils need to stop wasting it as well.
Already the worst pension in Europe
My pension IS. NOT. Benefit. I've worked and paid for it all my life. Pensioners need to employ lawyers to fight this. It's OUR money, not the governments.
So a refugee family that just arrived on benefits get the heating allowance and mugs that paid in for 50 odd years get nothing
That’s socialism for U
Yup
And benefits for every polygamous wife! But not if you are Christian!
She's nothing more than a hypocrite, I didn't hear her say I'm going to scrap the MPs expenses, because surely getting over £90k a year is enough to buy their own lunches 🤬
You hear this argument all the time but even if you scrapped all MPs salaries and expenses completely it would be purely symbolic and make practically no difference to the national finances.
i find it staggering that they can claim more than their actual earnings, im a sole trader and there is no way i can pull that crap
@@draoi99 But it would be a nice symbolic gesture, don't you think.
I get this real sense of arrogance from LIEbour especially from Starmer.
I totted up our last (Tory) MPs expenses, he claimed over 2 million in just over 10 years.....
I am 76 and still working because the pension isn't enough to keep me going. I have always worked and paid tax. Pension is not a present I paid for it. Not like all the scroungers. Including MP's
What do they do anyway
What's really sad the UK isn't for those who are at retirement age. Also tax is theft.
Very true
Don`t forget you paid for all the Public Sector, they never put a penny into the pot. They try to tell you they pay taxes too, but they don`t, they only get less of your money. Oh, and don`t forget two pensions, neither of which did they contribute to.
take and use power to benefit themselves, thats what they do.
The money you paid in was spent back when you paid it in the pension that you receive is from the tax revenue of todays workers.
When labour target our pensioners for raising revenue and cutting their much needed winter fuel payments, they lose the support of not only the pensioners but also all those who have elderly relatives who are struggling.
Why not cut the £170+ 4 star hotel accommodation costs per person we pay for those crossing the channel illegally?😲🤔
Strangely, they didn't mention anything about withdrawing the winter fuel payments during their general election campaign.😮🤔
Don't forget to save for your pension..another joke.
should have saved in a private pension not the state one like the tories told you liberals playing liberal games
Blame all those who voted Labour in the General Election . I was shocked to see them voted in with a clear majority to do what they like .
I certainly didn't vote for Starmer and his left wing loonies who are certainly going to put the boot into what's left of the UK .
Yeah, democracy sucks.
@@david1964.Democracy? Circa 66% of voters didn't vote Labour. It always the same in the UK. The party with often a huge majority of seats ALWAYS got well under 50% of votes cast.
And the call that the settled "will of the people". And in stuff like the HoL along with a raft of Quangos and the word democracy really doesn't mean much in the UK these days.
Don't blame folk for voting, maybe blame the electoral system that provided a party that got only around 1/3 of the votes with >60% of the seats?
@@david1964. Doesn`t work does it, glad you noticed.
80% of eligible voters did not vote for Labour
Well what can say . Work most of your life , doing the right thing , then get screwed .
The wrong thing is retiring in the UK at the moment.
yep i see it all the time,those who try hard all their lives get screwed those who never try dont.
We all knew it was coming yet we still elected them with a huge majority.
Now old people who have paid into the system their whole working lives will be penalised, so that our new arrivals can be housed and looked after.
Labour voters enjoy the next five years.
clive i didnt it was the imported people
We ? Count me out
Pop over on a boat from some other country and get the money the elderly have paid the system their entire lives.
Seems fair, right? 😡
I haven't got the words to say what all this does to my anger levels 🤬😩😨😮🤐😰🤯😖😩😫😵we need to pray very hard🙏
The older generation will not forgive or forget.
bollox,thats what you have been doing all your lives its why we are so deep in the shite now.
@@thomasrobert4654bollocks what? Somehow the people born at a certain time who had no say in any policies are to blame. Well fuck me that’s a stupid statement isnt it.
Geriatrics rioting in the street i doubt it, can't strike any more either
No problem with finding the £13 billion each year for foreign Aid though.
If they had no money how can they give £3 billion to Ukraine every year ? 🤔
And pay for the hotels all around the country with foreigner illegals in them.
cause its full of resources and is the bread basket of the whirld N and it borders with evil Poo tyn
Took the words out of my mouth, Ukraine and Israhell many billions found no problem, ditto immigrants hotels,,and luxury kit they all seem to have, Reeves and Rayner, are both Khazars, and believe in the maxim," the goyim are all beasts ",I've been tipping the following for years, NHS is now on brink of collapse, and OAPs will be blamed, the gutter press,led by the dueish Sun, will begin a campaign of vilification, u know what it,ll work, remember the old classic, "immigrants come to do the jobs the lazy english wont do, xxxxxx
By selling you grand children in to debt.
Don't forget the foreign aid payments to India, when India can afford to pay for its very own space program.
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I bought my first house for £3,500. My weekly wage was £15. No television, no mobile phone, no holidays for twenty years. Self employed, paying taxes. Former serviceman regular and reserves. What a wonderful position for Labour to take.
I cannot believe anyone in their right minds would vote Labour.
Stop the £300 per day the House of Lords get daily just to sleep disgusting
The " generous " Christmas bonus will be in their sights next from us oaps
Yes indeed! Chucking around tenners like that...
Then free prescriptions and bus passes
Tory-Starmer’s Pseudo-Labour Government is having to make EXTREMELY difficult economic decisions because of the trail of absolute destruction left behind by successive Tory governments since 2010; subsequently the country has very little money, public services need re-building, and funding, therefore this government’s decision to limit the Winter Fuel Allowance to those who need is the right policy; otherwise billions of pounds would be wasted on paying the Winter Fuel Allowance to privileged pensioners who live in the south where temperatures never drop below -2 Degrees. You told an outright LIE when you stated that the government will be denying 90% of pensioners the Winter Fuel Allowance. Lastly another outright lie you told is that the government wants pensioners who own their home to sell their homes so that the government can house asylum seekers, this too is another outright lie. It is blatantly obvious that you are an outright LIAR, who always resorts to deception to manipulate your gullible and brainless subscribers.
Then they'll bake us a cake and give us a foot rub.😂
🤔 HMG cannot name a 17year old minor and yet they want lower voting age . probably down to ten as it seems that's the mental age politics works too
Is he really 17? - Note also that they refer to him as "a boy".
@@williamtell6750 A good boi!
Government money grabbing is like gravity it’s there 24-7 and will never go away.
Death and taxes.
The immigrants will be pleased, they didn't have to pay in to the system for public services, it's all free. We'll pick up the tab don't worry.
Then they have the audacity to complain about it; not to mention going on stabbing sprees!!
It’s called socialism
How dare they 😡after wasting billions housing illegal immigrants in hotels and sending billions to Ukraine
Young people should realise that inheritance tax is a tax on them, not the person who died.
I'm a pensioner and saver. Thanks for nothing Labour. I give this wretched mob 6 months.
That long?
That's 5 1/2 months too long
It is the 1d10t5 who voted Labour who are to blame for this.
Unfortunately, it will be 5 years unless something very extraordinary happens.
They have done more damage in one month than the Tories did in 14 years.
You are spot on Simon, labours quest to hammer pensioners has begun, blaming the last Government is pathetic.
Isn't private capital a liberal value, you should've read up on political philosophy private pension> state pension
@@cazzac4817 que?
@@jerrytaylor146 why as a Liberal are you relying on a state pension if you believed in your values you'd pay as little as possible toward the state and manage your wealth independently you're not some kind of communist are you.
Mps claim heating expenses for second homes. This should stop.
Anyone else noticed the new "fear" catchphrase spewing from the government? "The full force of the law"!
Pensioners overwhelmingly don't vote Labour, especially ones that have saved for a (modest) private pension. Doctors, civil servants and new immigrants generally do. This was an easy political calculation for Reeves.
Why do we pay taxes after covid???
Just print the paper 😅😅😅
An excellent question. 😊
6.8 billion on asylum hotels is fine.
1 billion to stop pensioners freezing is too much?
@@hurstmitchell6392 And without a stated alternative for the illegal immigrants, lets be clear, they are not asylum seekers, they'll happily keep paying out £6.8 Billion every year.
It's much higher, apparently. Then, when they get processed, they claim more, and if they have children that follow or have children when here, we will be paying for their education, which is about 7.5k for each child every year.
@@hurstmitchell6392 That's not much too stop Poo-Tin marching across Europe - or do you want to speak ruzzian?
They WANT pensioners to die , I thought all this was obvious , especially after 2020 and the “medical emergency” ?
@@mikeoglen6848 🤣
When people tell you they are two faces liars, believe them.
Yes those of us who worked, saved and invested in own property rather than rely on benefits are the target.
You will own nothing and be happy 😊.
for globalist communism to succeed all must work for the state.
That’s socialism for U … and it’s why it never works.
I'd just like to "thank" those who voted for Labour. 😡
You're most welcome🤣
The way this labwef party is heading is bringing the second revolution. 500 years after the last one.
The general election: One lot of thugs out. Another lot of thugs in.
and voted for by the usual mugs.
But this lot are even worse & more wicked.
Two cheeks, one arse....
Older people who voted Labour, or did not vote at all, only have themselves to blame. Harsh, but nevertheless true.
Not that the Tories are much better.
Reeves has decided that older people have had it too good for too long.
I hope she never becomes a pensioner because she would have to hate herself 😂😂😂
@@user-vt5yd4od8m She will become a pensioner, but with an ex government ministers pension, likely to be £150,000 a year. She will have no worries.
@@user-vt5yd4od8m Have you ever seen any ex politician, local councilor etc struggling to cope and heat their house, pay the bills once they retire????
I wonder if she has had any death threats?............
Should be turning off the heating in the House of Parliament.
When the hospitals are full with the frail elderly on low incomes dying of hypothermia due to being to worried about their gas bill. Whilst the illegal migrants are housed in warm hotels this winter.
So pay for your TV License and now no help with fuel.
We need the TV license so the BBC can tell us all the facts.
@@TP-om8ofsee what you did there.
@@TP-om8of🤣
People in receipt of other benefits do not receive a fuel allowance, so why should pensioners?
@@juliewills8034 1. Old people are more susceptible to the cold. 2. It’s a way to show respect and gratitude to the older generation.
That said, handing out money (just like child benefit) is a terribly inefficient way to run things. It would be far better for the government to abolish stamp duty, slash fuel tax, replace the 20% VAT with a 5% sales tax, slash if not outright abolish income tax, abolish inheritance tax, AND STOP SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY.
Don’t go to work or save kids, it’s just not worth it.
just take what you need from the shops keep it under 250 quid though then you are as free as a bird.
A cesspit parliament equals a cesspit country 😊
don't save Invest privately liberals are meant to not trust the state and here you are disappointed with the state
Remember this youngsters .. you (if lucky) will live to ne pensioners one day, you will have paid into pensions and investments and work hard to leave a legacy for your children/ grandchildren on the basis that is what you are being told to do. Then, just like the OAPs now, you will have the rug pulled, whether thats due to increasing the retirement age , without you looking, means testing everything etc. etc.
You get what you vote for. 40% of the country didn't bother to vote. So welcome to the world of Labour.
There’s Always Money for the Culturally Enriched coming by Boat Everyday-LabOUR Nightmare