I mean, he's supposedly a true PF and KAT is better at the 5. Fit wise for positions, it wasn't that bad of a thought. Clearly hasn't played out that way.
People saying we should not trade Randle and go ahead and lose naw and naz are morons. Literally if you just stuck Naz in the starting lineup, all the chemistry problems and inconsistency would be solved
who wants randle? wizards, jazz, pistons might not dare and does the wolves have the guts to just let him walk for particularly nothing. one 1st late and one 2nd round pick maybe? cause no one is on the market right now for "one teams anchor is another teams wings". now if randle isnt moved, what would it be like when he player opt in. thats sucks. 5 picks and multiple starting players for kat with gobert as a bonus in just a 2 year span.
I’m completely out on Finch. Doesn’t seem to want to play young guys, way too slow to make lineup changes, his teams consistently have offensive issues, that include turnovers and lack of any ATO’s. Let’s see if we can do what the Cavs did and find our Atkinson.
So let me get this straight. You are saying “this team is turning a corner” but then you want to disrupt what they are doing and how they have been playing lately by trading Julius at the deadline and completely dismantle what they are doing right now. How is that gonna sit with ant? This isn’t NBA2k you can’t just turn off team chemistry and start trading everybody lol. I get that trading Julius is the smart idea but what if they are the 4-5 seed by the deadline and are playing well, what then?
I don’t think you understand fully. This team isn’t a contender no matter if they are turning the corner or not. If they don’t trade Julius now then you’re setting yourself up for him to opt in and then if that happens you’re either losing naz or naw. This team isn’t going all in on a championship this season whether the fans like it or not. If you want to keep Naz and naw on this team you need to explore trading Randle at the deadline. Yall are too focused on trying to be the best they can this season instead of trying to get this team in a good spot for the next few years to maximize the roster around Edwards.
@@Tommythademon So lose Naz or NAW or both. NAW might want to leave next season anyway as he could start for a team or at least get more minutes. This team has Minott and Shannon coming up. Nobody knows what the staff truly feels about Randle, but I suspect they value him more than fans think.
@ so you’d rather lose both naw and naz just to keep Randle on the team? Interesting take. Not to mention if you traded Randle you would have enough to bring back both naw and naz and still have some money left over to sign someone to the mid level. Obviously that depends if those guys wants to stay here
@ That’s what I’m confused about. I want to trade Randle no question. Phil is saying the team is turning a corner with this roster but he still wants to trade Randle. How would you trade Randle at the deadline if say your the 4 seed and get nothing of value back. How would that sit with ant after you told him a week before training camp you are trading the second best player and one of his best friends on the team and then say you have to figure it out with the guys we traded for and they are figuring it out and say they are playing well then you trade Randle at the deadline you think ant is gonna sit there and be ok after trying to figure out how to play with these guys for 50 games?
@@Tommythademon NAW isn't getting the minutes he deserves here. If he came back how does he get more minutes on a larger contract with Donte and Edwards? Also, Shannon is going to rot. I don't know why he'd want to come back frankly. Naz could be resigned splitting minutes with Randle and Rudy. The 2 actually pair well together on the floor. Otherwise fine, trade Julius at the deadline. But Naz is the only one I see staying. I also see the Wolves getting fleeced if they were desperately trying to trade Julius before the deadline.
Idk why the Wolves still traded KAT away. I guess money is more important than trying to win a championship for the 1st time. We were so close and you break apart the team. KAT was the biggest upset trade in the last 15 years
Traded: KAT Gained: Randle (Rental) Donte (For 3 Years) Naz (💵 To Re-Sign) NAW (💵 To Re-Sign) + Mid 1st Rd 2025 Pick That's a great move long term. If you don't understand that by now you're a casual bum!
NAW is becoming overrated, ideally you keep him, but overpaying him would be a huge mistake. Already have Ant/DDV/Jaden so his role will always be diminished and they need depth at PG and more size
Saying he’s overrated is an absolutely awful take 😂😂 you have a point in the last part but that doesn’t just make him overrated. He’s one of the best value contracts in the entire nba right now.
@ what does Donte’s contract have anything to do with naw being overrated? This is crazy talk. Sure if he gets an insane contract maybe he could be overrated. But he’s not making that money right now. He defends at an all nba level and as of now hardly makes any money and you guys are sitting here calling him overrated… lmao this fanbase is comical
Why are people so focused on trading Julius? He's the all star with the 2nd most talent on the team. The team should be focused on trading Rudy, Jaden or Mike. These guys have under performed more than Julius and we could get more from them. I would even throw in NAW because of his expiring contract. After a fast start, he has not been a consistent bench player for us. Wow big deal Julius dribbles the ball. You know whats worse? Jaden who can't shoot a 3 for his life after 5 years, or Rudy who doesnt have a post move. Jaden has been incredibly disappointing. Big contract, inconsistent, a liability on the floor next to ANT. So many of his defender is cheating off of him to help on ANT. There's at least 4-5 possessions a game where Ant will make the right play by kicking to a wide open Jaden only to see him clank it off the rim. If the goal is to help build around ANT, Jaden is not the answer at the SF position.
@begshallots I just dislike the way many Twolves fans and media only put Julius in the trading block, completely ignoring everyone us like they are blameless. At this stage, only Ant is untouchable. But if it were up to me, I would tank Jaden, then Rudy and then Julius as the most tradable assets.
DLo signed ANOTHER contraxt after he was traded with the Lakers. He did not accept a player option that was intact while with the Wolves. That was years ago guys.
Between PF and C, there is 96 minutes available. We have Naz, Randle and Gobert. 96÷3= 32 minuted per player. Zero reason that Naz cannot get his "30" minute per game run in Minnesota.
wolves are not good enough for the 4 seed. just look at the teams. the highest i see them and hope is the 6 seed. we’re not better than the thunder, rockets, grizzlies, nuggets, or mavs. we’re in the same tier as the clippers, new look kings and the lakers.
and then suns and warriors, just off star power could also be a threat to knock the wolves lower. even wemby and the spurs can have a good run to end the season. i still have the wolves over those teams, but they can surprise the wolves and have them as a lower seed.
Let's wait a few more games before we proclaim that they have turned things around. Of the 4 wins in this stretch, 2 were against teams had the bottom of their respective conferences (Pelicans&Wizards). The other 2 were decent wins (Magic&Clippers), but nothing spectacular. If they can win 4 of the next 5 then we can say they are getting better.
Julius Randle is a self-player is not what he can do for you to win but what he did for the team to loose we all watching how he played. since we got Randle I only see couple games that he did the thing that a good player, other then that he did the things that make you loose the game, and you can see that it affect ANT aggressive that we saw on ANT that my opinion
Personally i would play Dillingham 20+ minutes against "bad teams". Sit Mike and let him rest for elite teams to play higher potential minuted and be fresh for playoffs. UNLESS Dillingham shows he can take the reigns full time somehow as a rookie (unlikely but possible).
No it’s not next season 60m kicks in they simply couldn’t afford towns being on second apron . Knicks will look to redo that contract it doesn’t fit after this season. 60m is a tremendous hit for next season
not really, the trade wasn't made so Randle could help lead the wolves to title contention this year. it's to unload KAT money in the future so we can hopefully maximize Ants prime.
@@kylesanderson6534 Does maximizing Ants prime basically mean having him wait 2 years (possibly more) for the front office to "maybe" build a championship caliber roster around him?
Traded: KAT Gained: Randle (Rental) Donte (For 3 Years) Naz (💵 To Re-Sign) NAW (💵 To Re-Sign) + Mid 1st Rd 2025 Pick That's a great move long term. If you don't understand that by now you're a casual bum!
Love this take, Dex. Let's hope we trade Randle before he can opt in to this contract and block us from extending Naz, NAW, and signing a solid mid-level exemption PG (shout out for Dane Moore for the details).
Even if he "Opts in" we can still trade him... 🐺 would still be $32m under the 2nd Apron if he "Opts in" & could give Naz $23m & NAW $9m... That would be 13 guys signed & then add a few guys on 2-Way deals to reach 15 players...
Julius may be easier to trade now. Because he has an expiring contract. However, the timber wolves are gonna look pretty stupid. Giving him up for nothing which is all there can get.
Randle is averaging 20 on 14 shots, ballhog how? He doesnt dribble or hold the ball as long as most 1st 2nd or 3rd options. The stats say something totally different, people are so emotional they cant see straight.
Timberwolves screw the game against Memphis they should be 5. The team needs to know how to close games and take a decisión about Julius Randle and start Naz Reid.
Omg Mackey kill the Vikings with his naive attitude and now he’s bringing his mediocre milk toast commentary on Flagrant howls! The Wolves with Randle is a much worst team then they ever were with Towns. Yes Towns needed to go but Randle was NOT the answer. Randle has destroyed Ant leadership because of a Finch, plus his quest to be the top dog on this team will be the end of Ant’s franchise. Connelly needs to get rid of Randle, Conely, McDaniels and a few more and streamline these starters, can’t give Finch any say so over players, he’s proven he can barely coach!
Why is Tim Connelly trading for players to fit in with Rudy Gobert? Ideas of a losing organization!!! You don't trade for players that fit with ANT but Rudy? SMH!!!
I swear he is addicted to Rudy. Drafted him in 2013 and flipped him to Utah. Realized he didn't want to do that and couldn't get Denver to make a move so he put it in the back of his mind until he got to Minnesota. He drafted Jokic, but seems to want to tie his career to Rudy Gobert and I have no clue why.
Why and how would the Wolves do that. First off Randle is making roughly 33 mil and Butthurts is making 50+. Wolves are a 2nd apron team so they can't combine contracts. Also Butthurts is a cancer and we traded Kat because of his contract. So taking a 35 yr old out of his prime and a cancer in Butthurts. Not happening......
Why would they do that? Clearly Jimmy wants an extension. The wolves aren’t paying a 35 year old Jimmy butler that basically already burned the bridge between him and this organization. If we don’t pay him then we just have the same problem Miami has right now. Jimmy has shown he’s selfish and will try to bring the team down with him if he’s unhappy.
@BattleTruth How do they match when Butthurts is making 50 ish and Randle is making roughly 33 mil? Now I'm not good at math but thats not mathing. Not to mention the only reason Butthurts wants out of Miami is because he wants another max which will be over 50 mil....
Never forget Mackey thought Julius Randle would be a better fit instead of kat
He is an clown 🤡 what to expect, he is a Kat hater …….
He can just keep saying it was for the “future” until he maybe becomes right
He is a KAT hater he is a Clown 🤡 what do you do expected
It is ok to have an opinion, nobody can possibly know the future. If the Wolves do really good in playoffs and the Knicks suck then what?
I mean, he's supposedly a true PF and KAT is better at the 5. Fit wise for positions, it wasn't that bad of a thought. Clearly hasn't played out that way.
The dlo Randle comparison is spot on
No it's not. Due to the second apron is has to be a 1 for 1 swap. It can't be multiple players in the trade.
We can’t trade Julius guys stop being casuals do you know how hard it is to trade his contract in the 2nd apron
@@aximus11 its a possibility Murray contract is similar as Julius
You can easily trade him to any team with Cap Space. It's only difficult if both teams are in the 2nd Apron.
People saying we should not trade Randle and go ahead and lose naw and naz are morons. Literally if you just stuck Naz in the starting lineup, all the chemistry problems and inconsistency would be solved
who wants randle? wizards, jazz, pistons might not dare and does the wolves have the guts to just let him walk for particularly nothing. one 1st late and one 2nd round pick maybe? cause no one is on the market right now for "one teams anchor is another teams wings". now if randle isnt moved, what would it be like when he player opt in. thats sucks. 5 picks and multiple starting players for kat with gobert as a bonus in just a 2 year span.
I’m completely out on Finch. Doesn’t seem to want to play young guys, way too slow to make lineup changes, his teams consistently have offensive issues, that include turnovers and lack of any ATO’s. Let’s see if we can do what the Cavs did and find our Atkinson.
So let me get this straight. You are saying “this team is turning a corner” but then you want to disrupt what they are doing and how they have been playing lately by trading Julius at the deadline and completely dismantle what they are doing right now. How is that gonna sit with ant? This isn’t NBA2k you can’t just turn off team chemistry and start trading everybody lol. I get that trading Julius is the smart idea but what if they are the 4-5 seed by the deadline and are playing well, what then?
I don’t think you understand fully. This team isn’t a contender no matter if they are turning the corner or not. If they don’t trade Julius now then you’re setting yourself up for him to opt in and then if that happens you’re either losing naz or naw. This team isn’t going all in on a championship this season whether the fans like it or not. If you want to keep Naz and naw on this team you need to explore trading Randle at the deadline. Yall are too focused on trying to be the best they can this season instead of trying to get this team in a good spot for the next few years to maximize the roster around Edwards.
@@Tommythademon So lose Naz or NAW or both. NAW might want to leave next season anyway as he could start for a team or at least get more minutes. This team has Minott and Shannon coming up. Nobody knows what the staff truly feels about Randle, but I suspect they value him more than fans think.
@ so you’d rather lose both naw and naz just to keep Randle on the team? Interesting take. Not to mention if you traded Randle you would have enough to bring back both naw and naz and still have some money left over to sign someone to the mid level. Obviously that depends if those guys wants to stay here
@ That’s what I’m confused about. I want to trade Randle no question. Phil is saying the team is turning a corner with this roster but he still wants to trade Randle. How would you trade Randle at the deadline if say your the 4 seed and get nothing of value back. How would that sit with ant after you told him a week before training camp you are trading the second best player and one of his best friends on the team and then say you have to figure it out with the guys we traded for and they are figuring it out and say they are playing well then you trade Randle at the deadline you think ant is gonna sit there and be ok after trying to figure out how to play with these guys for 50 games?
@@Tommythademon NAW isn't getting the minutes he deserves here. If he came back how does he get more minutes on a larger contract with Donte and Edwards? Also, Shannon is going to rot. I don't know why he'd want to come back frankly. Naz could be resigned splitting minutes with Randle and Rudy. The 2 actually pair well together on the floor. Otherwise fine, trade Julius at the deadline. But Naz is the only one I see staying. I also see the Wolves getting fleeced if they were desperately trying to trade Julius before the deadline.
Idk why the Wolves still traded KAT away. I guess money is more important than trying to win a championship for the 1st time. We were so close and you break apart the team. KAT was the biggest upset trade in the last 15 years
Traded:
KAT
Gained:
Randle (Rental)
Donte (For 3 Years)
Naz (💵 To Re-Sign)
NAW (💵 To Re-Sign)
+ Mid 1st Rd 2025 Pick
That's a great move long term.
If you don't understand that by
now you're a casual bum!
But during the KAT trade it was mentioned that J Randle might be a pass-through.
Traded:
KAT
Gained:
Randle (Rental)
Donte (For 3 Years)
Naz (💵 To Re-Sign)
NAW (💵 To Re-Sign)
+ Mid 1st Rd 2025 Pick
That's a great move long term.
@NBA_Guru_612 If you like mediocrity.
NAW is becoming overrated, ideally you keep him, but overpaying him would be a huge mistake. Already have Ant/DDV/Jaden so his role will always be diminished and they need depth at PG and more size
Saying naw is becoming overrated is crazy 😭😭😭😭
I agree with that last part of that
Saying he’s overrated is an absolutely awful take 😂😂 you have a point in the last part but that doesn’t just make him overrated. He’s one of the best value contracts in the entire nba right now.
@peytonspehn6291 look at what Donte is making. NAW isn't even close in talent. He's right
@ what does Donte’s contract have anything to do with naw being overrated? This is crazy talk. Sure if he gets an insane contract maybe he could be overrated. But he’s not making that money right now. He defends at an all nba level and as of now hardly makes any money and you guys are sitting here calling him overrated… lmao this fanbase is comical
Randle is 6'8".
Not 6'10"
Why are people so focused on trading Julius? He's the all star with the 2nd most talent on the team.
The team should be focused on trading Rudy, Jaden or Mike. These guys have under performed more than Julius and we could get more from them. I would even throw in NAW because of his expiring contract. After a fast start, he has not been a consistent bench player for us. Wow big deal Julius dribbles the ball. You know whats worse? Jaden who can't shoot a 3 for his life after 5 years, or Rudy who doesnt have a post move.
Jaden has been incredibly disappointing. Big contract, inconsistent, a liability on the floor next to ANT. So many of his defender is cheating off of him to help on ANT. There's at least 4-5 possessions a game where Ant will make the right play by kicking to a wide open Jaden only to see him clank it off the rim. If the goal is to help build around ANT, Jaden is not the answer at the SF position.
Agree about Jaden, Rudy, and Mike. But Julius isn’t a player for the way Wolves or the NBA plays now. Can’t get stuck with his option.
@begshallots I just dislike the way many Twolves fans and media only put Julius in the trading block, completely ignoring everyone us like they are blameless. At this stage, only Ant is untouchable. But if it were up to me, I would tank Jaden, then Rudy and then Julius as the most tradable assets.
@ trade Jaden. I wish we could trade Rudy at this point.
Rudy can't be traded this season numb nuts... It's against league rules...
@ it’s too bad we’re stuck with Rudy until the summer.
So we traded Kat for future flexibility but if Randle stays and opts in we have no flexibility. And we are worse. So
And even if you do trade Randle you don’t get another guy who will make you a contender. Connelly doesn’t know what he’s doing
@@OverEast34 Connelly is the worst GM in the NBA; Rosas is smarter.
The trade would have to include another PF right?
DLo signed ANOTHER contraxt after he was traded with the Lakers. He did not accept a player option that was intact while with the Wolves. That was years ago guys.
Between PF and C, there is 96 minutes available. We have Naz, Randle and Gobert. 96÷3= 32 minuted per player. Zero reason that Naz cannot get his "30" minute per game run in Minnesota.
wolves are not good enough for the 4 seed. just look at the teams. the highest i see them and hope is the 6 seed. we’re not better than the thunder, rockets, grizzlies, nuggets, or mavs. we’re in the same tier as the clippers, new look kings and the lakers.
and then suns and warriors, just off star power could also be a threat to knock the wolves lower. even wemby and the spurs can have a good run to end the season. i still have the wolves over those teams, but they can surprise the wolves and have them as a lower seed.
Let's wait a few more games before we proclaim that they have turned things around. Of the 4 wins in this stretch, 2 were against teams had the bottom of their respective conferences (Pelicans&Wizards). The other 2 were decent wins (Magic&Clippers), but nothing spectacular. If they can win 4 of the next 5 then we can say they are getting better.
Julius Randle is a self-player is not what he can do for you to win but what he did for the team to loose we all watching how he played. since we got Randle I only see couple games that he did the thing that a good player, other then that he did the things that make you loose the game, and you can see that it affect ANT aggressive that we saw on ANT that my opinion
We need an elite perimeter defender who also grabs boards, too much standing around
THEY NEED TO DO THERE HOMEWORK BETTER. DUE TO THE SECOND APRON IT HAS TO BE 1-1 SWAP
Personally i would play Dillingham 20+ minutes against "bad teams". Sit Mike and let him rest for elite teams to play higher potential minuted and be fresh for playoffs. UNLESS Dillingham shows he can take the reigns full time somehow as a rookie (unlikely but possible).
Fuck No!
Starting Guards = Ant & Ragu
Backup Guards = NAW & Mike
@NBA_Guru_612 It is not up for debate.
I've been saying trade Randle since the first day we got him.
If there were no conferences only 2 teams in the east would be in the top 20.
That KAT trade is becoming more of a head scratcher with each game.
No it’s not next season 60m kicks in they simply couldn’t afford towns being on second apron . Knicks will look to redo that contract it doesn’t fit after this season. 60m is a tremendous hit for next season
not really, the trade wasn't made so Randle could help lead the wolves to title contention this year. it's to unload KAT money in the future so we can hopefully maximize Ants prime.
@@kylesanderson6534 Unload a great player, KAT, so they could continue to overpay 2nd tier players like Gobert, McDaniels, etc. FIFY.
@@kylesanderson6534 Does maximizing Ants prime basically mean having him wait 2 years (possibly more) for the front office to "maybe" build a championship caliber roster around him?
Traded:
KAT
Gained:
Randle (Rental)
Donte (For 3 Years)
Naz (💵 To Re-Sign)
NAW (💵 To Re-Sign)
+ Mid 1st Rd 2025 Pick
That's a great move long term.
If you don't understand that by
now you're a casual bum!
Love this take, Dex. Let's hope we trade Randle before he can opt in to this contract and block us from extending Naz, NAW, and signing a solid mid-level exemption PG (shout out for Dane Moore for the details).
Even if he "Opts in" we can still trade him... 🐺 would still be $32m under the 2nd Apron if he "Opts in" & could give Naz $23m & NAW $9m... That would be 13 guys signed & then add a few guys on 2-Way deals to reach 15 players...
Does Judd talk about anything other then Mike Conley?
Old heads talking old heads.
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Denver is no slouch their on 9-2 win streak
9-2 is not a win streak.
Julius may be easier to trade now. Because he has an expiring contract. However, the timber wolves are gonna look pretty stupid. Giving him up for nothing which is all there can get.
Was Doug Christie the guy who's wife always traveled with him because you can't trust any NBA player?
Judd says Finch is too loyal. I think he's beta. He doesn't have the stones to possibly upset one of his players for the betterment of the team.
Randle is averaging 20 on 14 shots, ballhog how? He doesnt dribble or hold the ball as long as most 1st 2nd or 3rd options.
The stats say something totally different, people are so emotional they cant see straight.
Who would take him or russell when even butler is a cancer and over paid.
Timberwolves screw the game against Memphis they should be 5.
The team needs to know how to close games and take a decisión about Julius Randle and start Naz Reid.
I'm one upping Judd. Finch's loyalty is the number one reason our record is what it is.
TRADE ROB DILLINGHAM AND RUDY GOBERT FOR ZION
Lmao u need to stop 😂😂
Omg Mackey kill the Vikings with his naive attitude and now he’s bringing his mediocre milk toast commentary on Flagrant howls! The Wolves with Randle is a much worst team then they ever were with Towns. Yes Towns needed to go but Randle was NOT the answer. Randle has destroyed Ant leadership because of a Finch, plus his quest to be the top dog on this team will be the end of Ant’s franchise. Connelly needs to get rid of Randle, Conely, McDaniels and a few more and streamline these starters, can’t give Finch any say so over players, he’s proven he can barely coach!
Why is Tim Connelly trading for players to fit in with Rudy Gobert? Ideas of a losing organization!!! You don't trade for players that fit with ANT but Rudy? SMH!!!
I swear he is addicted to Rudy. Drafted him in 2013 and flipped him to Utah. Realized he didn't want to do that and couldn't get Denver to make a move so he put it in the back of his mind until he got to Minnesota. He drafted Jokic, but seems to want to tie his career to Rudy Gobert and I have no clue why.
Juds Kwik Trip Hoodie is tuff 😤🔥
Trade randle for butler
Not allowed
Why and how would the Wolves do that. First off Randle is making roughly 33 mil and Butthurts is making 50+. Wolves are a 2nd apron team so they can't combine contracts. Also Butthurts is a cancer and we traded Kat because of his contract. So taking a 35 yr old out of his prime and a cancer in Butthurts. Not happening......
Why would they do that? Clearly Jimmy wants an extension. The wolves aren’t paying a 35 year old Jimmy butler that basically already burned the bridge between him and this organization. If we don’t pay him then we just have the same problem Miami has right now. Jimmy has shown he’s selfish and will try to bring the team down with him if he’s unhappy.
I personally enjoy julius randle on this team
they can trade him for Brandon ingram or ben simmons...Maybe jimmy butler
Randle would fit in with how Miami play
Why in the world would the Wolves want Butthurts back? We traded Kat because his contract was too much. Butthurts is a cancer and also making 50+/yr.
@youthanasia007 Their contracts match Julius randle and they are off the books this summer.
@BattleTruth How do they match when Butthurts is making 50 ish and Randle is making roughly 33 mil? Now I'm not good at math but thats not mathing. Not to mention the only reason Butthurts wants out of Miami is because he wants another max which will be over 50 mil....
@@youthanasia007 You could move ingram to SF and Naz at the four
There’s no way you’re suggesting we trade for Ben Simmons and jimmy butler with a straight face…
Randall for KD.