Info for the continual deep dive: During the 7 minute move out, there was also a secondary group sent to the 3rd that got 6 drones, a big jump ahead for Terran. Great cast as always
@@hoodieblazen1637 Nobody's forcing you to watch, let him do his thing. Commentating and observing is a lot for one person in BW. Sometimes sht sneaks through.
Don't know how I found your channel, but I've been watching it regularly now for a few weeks. Last time I played SC was on Dial-Up AOL against my middle school buddies. Love watching these for the nostalgia of the game.
Zerg lost 6-7 drones or so and is down to 19 at 8 minutes in the game, this is a terrible position, but he just doesn't mention it. The follow up small strike by Marines was deliberate because Zerg was already so low on drones, forcing them to keep making drones over and over, meaning they were vulnerable to scourge and zerglings.
@@billjameson1254 was like 8, he keept building and hatcing drones at around that time so it keept boosting the numbers up but it was like 8-9 drones like the whole mineral line pretty much.
Reading this comment thread feels like reading an SAT question and its multiple choices. In line 19, the sentence "You can tell that guy doesn't ride a horse" most nearly means A) One needs long, strong legs to ride a horse. B) One needs flexibility to ride horses effectively. C) Only one who gets chills can ride a horse properly. D) None of the above.
I think the extended moveout was part of a mind-game, too. Zerg players sometimes skip/delay those lings and JYJ probably wanted to make sure that those lings were made gambling with if they were on they some marines would die.
Not really a mind game. Its more like taxes. If he never does it, why would zegs make zerlings in such situation? Its not a random noname, it is high-profile pro and people do diligently study his replays.
@@amai2307 which is funny because I just watched a ZvT game that artosis casted where artosis was criticizing the terran for turning around with his 4 marines when the zerg hadn't made the extra zerglings and the terran could have gone in and got damage. So IDK how artosis didn't think of that this game.
@@amai2307 I think it’s just artosis’ own playstyle bleeding over into his casting, since he tends to play very cookie cutter passive and not take as many calculated risks as higher level players. He would never push in with 4 marines in this situation even if it allows his opponents to punish his predictable play and skip the extra lings.
4:47 I assume it's by now, pros could assume that he'll probably stop so might not make the additional lings so he has to push further to guaranty he'll make them.
which is funny because I just watched a ZvT game that artosis casted where artosis was criticizing the terran for turning around with his 4 marines when the zerg hadn't made the extra zerglings and the terran could have gone in and got damage.
@JohnDoe-l4d9h I blame it on the need for a caster to always evaluate the situation on the fly. Sometimes these contractions will happen. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, and that's what us commenters are for
@@Pangora2 it’s just a bit odd because artosis usually isn’t results oriented like how he was in this example. He usually has the depth to understand concepts such as “forcing them to be honest”. I think it’s just artosis’ own playstyle bleeding over into his casting, since he tends to play very cookie cutter passive and not take as many calculated risks as higher level players. He would never push in with 4 marines in this situation even if it allows his opponents to punish his predictable play and skip the extra lings.
Zerg has a unit that makes its army deal maximum damage to all units (killing them instantly), take no damage from all units, and has essentially infinite energy. After over 25 years of the games existence, Terrans are beginning to discover that they have some difficulty defeating it in a drawn out macro game. Starcraft is the best.
@@alexfriedman2152 I wasn't arguing on that, but I don't think they are. If anything about Terran is op it's siege tanks. The only thing that counters siege tanks is the siege tanks. (Or defiler lurker to an extent).
@ Hold on a second, I just realized that the science vessel is literally a worse version of the defiler. It has one ability that deals damage in a smaller area, around a unit you can micro away, and less quickly than plague does. It can also give a lot of armor to one unit, but not invincibility, and it runs out of energy. It's literally a worse defiler. What do you mean Vessels?
@Jyoryaxx It flies, detects, and can kill stuff. Those are pretty important. But I don't think anyone would argue that science vessels are better than defilers.
What's with the clickbait video title? "Is ZvT solved?" This video had no discussion at all regarding ZvT being a solved thing, not even suggestions regarding that topic. This is just dishonest.
I was gonna write *this EXACT SAME comment* , theorizing that maybe Arty mislabeled this video with a title that was actually meant *for **_ANOTHER_** video* he had prepared for us... Maybe he accidentally switched titles ?! O_o .
My goodness, did Sacsri just lose to a 3 vulture runby when he had Hive tech? He got the wool pulled over his eyes and didn't expect the mech switch at all.
@ I’m actually a very big man, top 0.1 % in height in the world lol. I also work Monday thru Friday. She works Wednesday thru Saturday. Enjoy the rest of your day dingleberry.
Arty, an engagement hack theory I have is: You pin your favourite comment to the top of each video. You'll have more people trying to get the pin, commenting more, as if it were a prize to win = more comments, more algorithm for you. lmk if this gives you chills 🙏
OH! i can't wait this should be a fun one! looks like daja vu? says dominator in the description. 0:45 interesting to point out JYJs mastery of the factoryless TvZ style when honestly it doesn't really seem to be working, and light has begun adding machine shops with each base he takes past his natural. we'll see how JYJ can follow us into this new age of TvZ 3:54 i am increasingly sure that i want to see Z build a creep colony against this. somehow this 5 marine push with 2 lings left and 4 more on the way seems way too dangerous. T does turn around tho, i guess the damage on the marines is enough. It seems like this academy might be too late for a medic moveout. 5:00 wait what? starts stim and medic/firebat at 5 minutes?? medic firebat means "i wanna bust sunkens" but this has to LEAVE right now to do that, he's just starting the units... what are you brewing, JYJ? 6:38 didn't manage to weave the factory in before turrets, but still quite a quick one, right after turrets. 7:21 ok, sacsri stayed for a REALLY long time in the main mineral line while the bio was clearly not coming back, the only thing it can be doing if it isn't chasing you is countering, as we see on the minimap, this is VERY dangerous... 8:11 gamestate check starport nearly done, queen's nest started, lots of dead mutas; JYJ could consider landing the factory but since there's no shop building, i think he won't. if JYJ adds a second ebay he can have a decently timed +2 attack here, obviously no ups started for zerg, yet. JYJ very confidently building 3 medics at home, to replace those lost in the moveout, which means he believes the mutas are not a threat right now to his low marine count; i believe he's correct. offscreen, drones at the 3rd have all died. looks quite good for terran right now. 8:51 jesus christ. like 4ish more drone kills just for forking of like 5 marines to the main? JYJ starting to snowball here. agree with RT btw, 1 starport is... interesting. second gas is taken, factory isn't landed (the time for that is now past) 9:54 lands the factory, in the main, not at the nat, and doesn't start a shop. i'm pretty confused by this. ok, now shop starts, but this seems like it's now way too late, unless perhaps his intention is to go into a 3rd and add a second factory? and stay on 1 port vessel all game? that would certainly be a new take. 10:52 woah! dropship off of 1 vessel and going for vulture speed. this is cool! i don't think i've ever seen a mechswitch done this way, but this is one thing you can definitely try to do with a lead, like a protoss can get a lead and use it to survive a carrier switch, terran can do the same with a mech switch! 11:32 restarts 3rd, 2 factory adds, +1 vehicle weaps. HAS NOT LIFTED THE RAXES. ok that's nuts. how does he have enough room in his main for this?? I think he's going for heavy biomech here. i've never seen this before. has he even lifted the bay? 12:13 oh jesus christ, speed vulture drop in the zerg main is so much painfull! AND SACSRI'S HAD ENOUGH! GG! i wish we got to see what JYJ's idea was here, hope for more of this TvZ deep dive! thanks RT!
Pretty good analysis! Although it wasn't a vulture drop at the end, just a run-by into the main. There was also a drop coming and that was just too much to handle apparently!
@@pPhantoMq yeah, i saw that actually, after i posted, crazy considering the ramp is egged that he got in like that, the timing of the dropship seemed right, as i watched it but it seems he just ran in and won the game, still very curious to know where the game would have gone from here if it continued. adding 3 factories but not lifting the rax is pretty nuts.
Yea, the mech switch is the way to go too! The full-on mech that Flash was doing wasn't working so great. I was sure back then too, that this sort of hybrid play with the mech switch was the way to go. This game made it look like explosive too. A big suprise. And it can always come like that too, earlier or later. With the dropship or not. It's not impossible to build up a couple of valks somewhere in there too, especially if you can rely on the vultures at first. They're making mutas, that means they're making lings too. Vutures are great against lings. Just in general, this is the way! Spider mines even, if they make it into later game. Spider mines! Especially if they make it to lurkers...the science vessels are nice, but they're risky because of scroge. SK takes so much accurate APM. 1 mistake = dead. Hmm can I say anything more...yes! Take it to the zerg. If it does get into late game, just hit with small groups -everywhere- That will help with dark swarm. I can imagine some good games getting into base - trades where they're trading 3 bases each, just chaos! Terran's chaos build. Have to play it like zerg vs zerg. Cat-n-mouse, looking for anything exposed.
Yeah the small group style seems to be the way, force the game into a multitask battle.. its always exciting when a zvp or zvt gets to the scrappy small group stage. I think top players are just too good against obvious pushes now, they are so good at maneuvering, time-wasting, cutting off reinforcements and using spellcasters to limit their potential
After a zergling egg morphs into a zergling, a second zergling is created next to it belonging to the same player. But that doesn't work if the player it's trying to belong to has already left the game.
It seems like whenever the Zerg loses to Terran, it's easy to point out a couple of basic things the Zerg player should have done differently to win. When Terran loses, it's more like "Well, sucks that the Zerg made Defilers."
It's because defilers are completely out of sync with every other unit in the game. It doesn't compliment other units it simply breaks the game. No other RTS has an unlimited mana unit that happens to also have ridiculously good spells.
think about it this way: terran has to solve zerg. zerg has to not be solved. it's easier to lose by attacking than by defending, and brood war is impossible to play perfectly. zerg expands better in that it's both faster and more efficient with resource gathering, so you can't try to outscale. you have to force zerg to make fighting units instead of drones of course, zerg can also be extremely hard and intensive to play, but this is the pro level so such concerns are less important. defilers are truly very strong- it's not just consume, but how damage types work under dark swarm, how plague doesn't really have good answers, that the defiler starts with 1 armor go load up the game and mess around with it in a bot match or something. compare it with all the other spellcasters- it's better than all of them. I love zerg but artosis is right when he says it's far and away the best caster
@@machinatingminotaur6285 100%. Spawn Broodling is a very close third behind dark swarm and plague. Being to one click a unit with a spell from a fast flying unit is really laughable. You will hear insta-win defiler zerg players say "WeLl wHaT abOut iRradiATe?" It's about DPS and pacing; a defiler can cast two different spells almost an unlimited amount of times in quick succession and immediately shut down an entire army whereas a Terran or even Protoss has to wait a very long time. It's almost like Blizzard had to find a way to make up for poor balancing for zerg right before release date.
Drill Also Called Worker Mineral Walk Scv Drone Probe Walk Through Units When Harvesting Or Returning Cargo By Issuing The Command And Canceling It The Worker Regains Collision Blocking Or Pushing Other Units Can Also Use It To Jump Buildings Or Mineral Fields
drill is when you use the way workers don't have collision during resource gathering to get under enemy units then return collision to them by ordering them a different command. the units are forced to move until they're not standing on top of each other, so you can use workers to keep enemies from attacking while you hit them or just stall for time
TvZ/ZvT has become such a bore rn. What's interesting is how Terran are trying to cheese lol but the matchup is so predictable now. If T hasn't made almost game-ending damage by a certain point, Z wins because stacked Lurkers at each base into Plague grind is impossible to beat. What a shame
Things like these are why i think Brood War could use a balance patch. Buff Firebats for instance so they become better against most Zerg units, thus mitigating the dark swarm problem to an extent.
Blizzard has to patch it - you can't have 1 individual unit (defiler) that can cast unlimited OP spells that shut down entire armies. There's no counter to it. No other RTS has such a broken unit.
@@MLO860. swarm should reduce dmg by 90%. Because they do need it in some way, but 90% would make it so that 2 Lurkers under a Dark Swarm could not hold 150 supply of marine siege tanks lmao
@@qcdoomqc yeah or make attacks miss like w/high ground. Just get rid of consume. Irradiate doesn't counter defilers because zerg can produce defilers faster than vessels and with consume Terrans or Protoss can't scale with zerg. And the actual irradiate spell takes longer to to be impactful (taking out a unit) whereas dark swarm is instantaneous.
@ lol that would make more sense than what we got right now. Cuz right now, you irradiate the defiler and dark swarm lasts so insanely long that he can just cast dark swarm and itll last until Z makes a brand new defiler, consumes a ling and casts a brand new dark swarm lmao. I dont balance whine. Ever…. But between consume, dark swarm and plague defiler is the most insanely overpowered unit ive ever seen in an rts
Mech in TvZ: Everyone gets excited and happy as if Mech is the only honorable and right way to play Terran . Bio vs Protoss: Everyone calls it cheesy , it is frowned upon. Cause ppl love their siege tanks. I understand mech is much stronger vs toss, but we've seen multiple times bio working vs toss if supported by tanks/wraiths. What is this clownery? Mech's already used in 2 out of 3 match ups.
I've never laddered BW but I've seriously laddered other games and that felt like a ladder GG where you're just like, "ugh, yeah, I could still win, but I don't want to deal with this right now and it's ladder so who cares just hit "find match" again
Artosis missed some of the drone slaughter, but at the end, zerg was already down 14 drones vs terran scv (40vs54), with another 20 drones being threatened by the 3 vultures + dropship coming to the third. That's the kind of difference you never recover from.
Is SK Terran just obsolete? It seems like that's what this series is gonna show. It kind of makes me feel really sad about StarCraft in general, as the biggest theme in the game is that Aliens-style space marines vs swarms of aliens action movie style. Marines were already a temporary stopgap in the early game until your factories come online in the other 2 Terran matchups. Now that's what they'll be for TvZ. Just something you use to threaten/pressure Zerg in the early game until the factories start coming online
Zerg made a lot of mistakes. You never rush zerglings, they slow your hatcheries in the beginning. Either make sunkens, or no zergling at all. Also, hydralisks are better than mutalisks against terran. Terran has no difficulty dishing out normal damage in the early game, unlike protoss.
I feel the same way you do bro. Literally the only matchup marines are used is TvZ and now its gonna be mech too. When I think of terran i think of space marines gunning down alien hordes as well.
Maybe. I think the issue with SK terran is that there's a clock on it, even more so than before now that Zergs really know how to deal with it. You really have to hit your window midgame or you're just in a losing position. Of course it's still possible to win by outplaying the opponent, but assuming equal skill you should lose
If it was during a big tournament, sure. But this was just a ladder game and Sacsri didn't want to waste his time. The vultures combined with the dropship were going to get a lot of drones so it actually made sense he felt it was over.
Info for the continual deep dive: During the 7 minute move out, there was also a secondary group sent to the 3rd that got 6 drones, a big jump ahead for Terran. Great cast as always
Great catch
came here for this cmon tosis stop yaping and look at the mini map wth
@@hoodieblazen1637 Nobody's forcing you to watch, let him do his thing. Commentating and observing is a lot for one person in BW. Sometimes sht sneaks through.
He doesn't watch the mini map dude. He's a cool guy but a horrible observer.
@@hoodieblazen1637🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
That SCV scout: "It's a zerglin', Lester."
Do they go out here unless... oh no!
smaller typa zerg, they wuundn't be way out here unless...oh shit"
I love you Sarge 🤣
small kinda zerg
you mashed some poor feller’s dog.
Don't know how I found your channel, but I've been watching it regularly now for a few weeks. Last time I played SC was on Dial-Up AOL against my middle school buddies. Love watching these for the nostalgia of the game.
@7:50 death, taxes and artosis missing a runby
Chills, just chills
Zerg lost 6-7 drones or so and is down to 19 at 8 minutes in the game, this is a terrible position, but he just doesn't mention it. The follow up small strike by Marines was deliberate because Zerg was already so low on drones, forcing them to keep making drones over and over, meaning they were vulnerable to scourge and zerglings.
Nice catch
I completely missed that lol. 6 or 7 drones dead, and put the mutas out of position too.
@@billjameson1254 was like 8, he keept building and hatcing drones at around that time so it keept boosting the numbers up but it was like 8-9 drones like the whole mineral line pretty much.
"You can tell he doesn't ride a horse"
This is the insight only Artosis can deliver, god I love this game
I hate to admit it but only reading the title gave me chills
Which title? This vid already had title changes.
@ he changes nearly every time lol
I admit I'm sitting up in my chair!
6:57 Evil Arty coming out for a second there
I am from Brazil, and not so good in english. But your cast is the only one i can fully understand. Thanks and congrats!!!!
His SCV died doing what he loved. Not making anything.
Hey guys, i watched an old Flash Replay and when Artosis said: Here comes the reinforcements for flash he showed a flying engeneering bay loooooooool
chills achieved on that vulture run by
“You can tell that guy doesn’t ride a horse” 😂 5:58
What does he mean by that? 😂
@@StrangeAttractor1 you need long strong legs for riding a horse
@@StrangeAttractor1 you need flexibility to ride horses effectively.
Only who get some chills can ride a horse properly
Reading this comment thread feels like reading an SAT question and its multiple choices.
In line 19, the sentence "You can tell that guy doesn't ride a horse" most nearly means
A) One needs long, strong legs to ride a horse.
B) One needs flexibility to ride horses effectively.
C) Only one who gets chills can ride a horse properly.
D) None of the above.
That marine attack without medics makes much more sense now with how JYJ developed his build
I think the extended moveout was part of a mind-game, too. Zerg players sometimes skip/delay those lings and JYJ probably wanted to make sure that those lings were made gambling with if they were on they some marines would die.
Not really a mind game. Its more like taxes. If he never does it, why would zegs make zerlings in such situation?
Its not a random noname, it is high-profile pro and people do diligently study his replays.
@@amai2307 which is funny because I just watched a ZvT game that artosis casted where artosis was criticizing the terran for turning around with his 4 marines when the zerg hadn't made the extra zerglings and the terran could have gone in and got damage. So IDK how artosis didn't think of that this game.
@@amai2307 I think it’s just artosis’ own playstyle bleeding over into his casting, since he tends to play very cookie cutter passive and not take as many calculated risks as higher level players.
He would never push in with 4 marines in this situation even if it allows his opponents to punish his predictable play and skip the extra lings.
How zerg loses any game after defiler or ultra tech is reached is mindblowing.
"look at his little legs"
A little bit of chills, guys
One day we will see nuke switches as the new meta.
Rush vs Action. There were other contenders that I forgot. There was even a nuke rush pro.
4:47 I assume it's by now, pros could assume that he'll probably stop so might not make the additional lings so he has to push further to guaranty he'll make them.
The term the casters like to say: "Force them to be honest"
which is funny because I just watched a ZvT game that artosis casted where artosis was criticizing the terran for turning around with his 4 marines when the zerg hadn't made the extra zerglings and the terran could have gone in and got damage.
@JohnDoe-l4d9h I blame it on the need for a caster to always evaluate the situation on the fly. Sometimes these contractions will happen. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, and that's what us commenters are for
@@Pangora2 it’s just a bit odd because artosis usually isn’t results oriented like how he was in this example. He usually has the depth to understand concepts such as “forcing them to be honest”.
I think it’s just artosis’ own playstyle bleeding over into his casting, since he tends to play very cookie cutter passive and not take as many calculated risks as higher level players.
He would never push in with 4 marines in this situation even if it allows his opponents to punish his predictable play and skip the extra lings.
@JohnDoe-l4d9h yeah I mentioned the Keep them Honest quote myself in another comment.
Zerg has a unit that makes its army deal maximum damage to all units (killing them instantly), take no damage from all units, and has essentially infinite energy.
After over 25 years of the games existence, Terrans are beginning to discover that they have some difficulty defeating it in a drawn out macro game.
Starcraft is the best.
What about Vessels? That's op.
@@alexfriedman2152 I wasn't arguing on that, but I don't think they are. If anything about Terran is op it's siege tanks. The only thing that counters siege tanks is the siege tanks. (Or defiler lurker to an extent).
@ Hold on a second, I just realized that the science vessel is literally a worse version of the defiler. It has one ability that deals damage in a smaller area, around a unit you can micro away, and less quickly than plague does. It can also give a lot of armor to one unit, but not invincibility, and it runs out of energy. It's literally a worse defiler. What do you mean Vessels?
@Jyoryaxx It flies, detects, and can kill stuff. Those are pretty important. But I don't think anyone would argue that science vessels are better than defilers.
@@alexfriedman2152you know what else is op? A functioning brain, which you clearly lack
Really would have loved to see the Zerg not gg there just to see what could happen after
Sacsri not building sunkens outside his expansion had dire repercussions the whole game.
Ah, a chilly saturday morning and I dont mean just the weather 😉
What's with the clickbait video title? "Is ZvT solved?" This video had no discussion at all regarding ZvT being a solved thing, not even suggestions regarding that topic. This is just dishonest.
Yeah typical Arty. 😅
I was gonna write *this EXACT SAME comment* , theorizing that maybe Arty mislabeled this video with a title that was actually meant *for **_ANOTHER_** video* he had prepared for us...
Maybe he accidentally switched titles ?! O_o
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Thank you for your chills and videos
Hilarious ending for this game, very impressive play by the winner.
making vultures is a good talent to have /s
Can we appreciate how videos on this channel now regularly hit 20~30K views?
This is doing so much good for SC outside Korea.
JyJ just invented the sunken-egg-kill-vulture timing.
I love watching my daily dose of chills
My goodness, did Sacsri just lose to a 3 vulture runby when he had Hive tech? He got the wool pulled over his eyes and didn't expect the mech switch at all.
So the lesson for SK Terrans out there is to run by with 3 vultures. Thanks, Arty. You could even call this strategy...crazy Terran?
"it died doing what it loves" LMFAO
Wife just left for work, dogs just fed, time for some arty! Lets Gooooooooooo!!!
About to watch this while I make breakfast, an Artosis cast is the perfect reward for finishing the morning tasks.
Big man watches StarCraft while wife works. Lol.
@ I’m actually a very big man, top 0.1 % in height in the world lol. I also work Monday thru Friday. She works Wednesday thru Saturday. Enjoy the rest of your day dingleberry.
I feel like Flash is desperate to come back so soulkey can’t get a 4th in a row, something not even flash could do.
good day watching some of the best starcraft gameplay of all time, casually with expert casting as well.
I would love to see more JYJ.
if you only send the marines that far, then the zerg might get away with not making more zerglings
All that was needed was better placed sunkens, those vultures were easily able to get in. Gotta block the direct path to that ramp.
Only little chills today. GG!
Arty, an engagement hack theory I have is: You pin your favourite comment to the top of each video. You'll have more people trying to get the pin, commenting more, as if it were a prize to win = more comments, more algorithm for you. lmk if this gives you chills 🙏
OH! i can't wait this should be a fun one! looks like daja vu? says dominator in the description.
0:45 interesting to point out JYJs mastery of the factoryless TvZ style when honestly it doesn't really seem to be working, and light has begun adding machine shops with each base he takes past his natural. we'll see how JYJ can follow us into this new age of TvZ
3:54 i am increasingly sure that i want to see Z build a creep colony against this. somehow this 5 marine push with 2 lings left and 4 more on the way seems way too dangerous. T does turn around tho, i guess the damage on the marines is enough. It seems like this academy might be too late for a medic moveout.
5:00 wait what? starts stim and medic/firebat at 5 minutes?? medic firebat means "i wanna bust sunkens" but this has to LEAVE right now to do that, he's just starting the units... what are you brewing, JYJ?
6:38 didn't manage to weave the factory in before turrets, but still quite a quick one, right after turrets.
7:21 ok, sacsri stayed for a REALLY long time in the main mineral line while the bio was clearly not coming back, the only thing it can be doing if it isn't chasing you is countering, as we see on the minimap, this is VERY dangerous...
8:11 gamestate check starport nearly done, queen's nest started, lots of dead mutas; JYJ could consider landing the factory but since there's no shop building, i think he won't. if JYJ adds a second ebay he can have a decently timed +2 attack here, obviously no ups started for zerg, yet. JYJ very confidently building 3 medics at home, to replace those lost in the moveout, which means he believes the mutas are not a threat right now to his low marine count; i believe he's correct. offscreen, drones at the 3rd have all died. looks quite good for terran right now.
8:51 jesus christ. like 4ish more drone kills just for forking of like 5 marines to the main? JYJ starting to snowball here. agree with RT btw, 1 starport is... interesting. second gas is taken, factory isn't landed (the time for that is now past)
9:54 lands the factory, in the main, not at the nat, and doesn't start a shop. i'm pretty confused by this. ok, now shop starts, but this seems like it's now way too late, unless perhaps his intention is to go into a 3rd and add a second factory? and stay on 1 port vessel all game? that would certainly be a new take.
10:52 woah! dropship off of 1 vessel and going for vulture speed. this is cool! i don't think i've ever seen a mechswitch done this way, but this is one thing you can definitely try to do with a lead, like a protoss can get a lead and use it to survive a carrier switch, terran can do the same with a mech switch!
11:32 restarts 3rd, 2 factory adds, +1 vehicle weaps. HAS NOT LIFTED THE RAXES. ok that's nuts. how does he have enough room in his main for this?? I think he's going for heavy biomech here. i've never seen this before. has he even lifted the bay?
12:13 oh jesus christ, speed vulture drop in the zerg main is so much painfull!
AND SACSRI'S HAD ENOUGH! GG!
i wish we got to see what JYJ's idea was here, hope for more of this TvZ deep dive! thanks RT!
Pretty good analysis! Although it wasn't a vulture drop at the end, just a run-by into the main. There was also a drop coming and that was just too much to handle apparently!
@@pPhantoMq yeah, i saw that actually, after i posted, crazy considering the ramp is egged that he got in like that, the timing of the dropship seemed right, as i watched it but it seems he just ran in and won the game, still very curious to know where the game would have gone from here if it continued. adding 3 factories but not lifting the rax is pretty nuts.
firebats lil ol legs
Yea, the mech switch is the way to go too! The full-on mech that Flash was doing wasn't working so great. I was sure back then too, that this sort of hybrid play with the mech switch was the way to go. This game made it look like explosive too. A big suprise. And it can always come like that too, earlier or later. With the dropship or not. It's not impossible to build up a couple of valks somewhere in there too, especially if you can rely on the vultures at first. They're making mutas, that means they're making lings too. Vutures are great against lings.
Just in general, this is the way! Spider mines even, if they make it into later game. Spider mines! Especially if they make it to lurkers...the science vessels are nice, but they're risky because of scroge. SK takes so much accurate APM. 1 mistake = dead. Hmm can I say anything more...yes! Take it to the zerg. If it does get into late game, just hit with small groups -everywhere- That will help with dark swarm. I can imagine some good games getting into base - trades where they're trading 3 bases each, just chaos! Terran's chaos build. Have to play it like zerg vs zerg. Cat-n-mouse, looking for anything exposed.
Yeah the small group style seems to be the way, force the game into a multitask battle.. its always exciting when a zvp or zvt gets to the scrappy small group stage. I think top players are just too good against obvious pushes now, they are so good at maneuvering, time-wasting, cutting off reinforcements and using spellcasters to limit their potential
Epic mech switch!
truly, starcraft needs a patch: horses for firebats
Today's Terran gameplan makes so much more sense than yesterday's :D
8:39 A Starcraft-original moment (no BW), love it
chills @ 12:24
Thank you, based chills man
i remember when artosis was telling us all that the second scv scout was absolutely garbage and he's done the math
Anyone else grow up thinking those Drone pincers were their mouths?
No.
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@12:22 Artosis gets chills.
:)
Why are there 2 blue zerglings at 12:30?
This happens if units spawn after the player has already left.
They got chills from that vulture runby
After a zergling egg morphs into a zergling, a second zergling is created next to it belonging to the same player. But that doesn't work if the player it's trying to belong to has already left the game.
Defeat by egg.
Awesome game! He did very smart moves.
Someone told me the most Action intensive thing in starcraft is earlygame PvP
Great vids, ty
It seems like whenever the Zerg loses to Terran, it's easy to point out a couple of basic things the Zerg player should have done differently to win. When Terran loses, it's more like "Well, sucks that the Zerg made Defilers."
It's because defilers are completely out of sync with every other unit in the game. It doesn't compliment other units it simply breaks the game.
No other RTS has an unlimited mana unit that happens to also have ridiculously good spells.
JYJ is definitely the defining factor here. It is ballsy to make zerglings against the SK Terran #1.
think about it this way: terran has to solve zerg. zerg has to not be solved. it's easier to lose by attacking than by defending, and brood war is impossible to play perfectly. zerg expands better in that it's both faster and more efficient with resource gathering, so you can't try to outscale. you have to force zerg to make fighting units instead of drones
of course, zerg can also be extremely hard and intensive to play, but this is the pro level so such concerns are less important. defilers are truly very strong- it's not just consume, but how damage types work under dark swarm, how plague doesn't really have good answers, that the defiler starts with 1 armor
go load up the game and mess around with it in a bot match or something. compare it with all the other spellcasters- it's better than all of them. I love zerg but artosis is right when he says it's far and away the best caster
@@machinatingminotaur6285 100%. Spawn Broodling is a very close third behind dark swarm and plague. Being to one click a unit with a spell from a fast flying unit is really laughable.
You will hear insta-win defiler zerg players say "WeLl wHaT abOut iRradiATe?" It's about DPS and pacing; a defiler can cast two different spells almost an unlimited amount of times in quick succession and immediately shut down an entire army whereas a Terran or even Protoss has to wait a very long time.
It's almost like Blizzard had to find a way to make up for poor balancing for zerg right before release date.
7:57 another group of bio kills like 10 drones and artosis talking too much missing it.
Artosis can you explain someday what this "drill" is ?
Drill Also Called Worker Mineral Walk
Scv Drone Probe Walk Through Units When Harvesting Or Returning Cargo
By Issuing The Command And Canceling It The Worker Regains Collision Blocking Or Pushing Other Units
Can Also Use It To Jump Buildings Or Mineral Fields
Drill is a micro trait.
drill is when you use the way workers don't have collision during resource gathering to get under enemy units then return collision to them by ordering them a different command. the units are forced to move until they're not standing on top of each other, so you can use workers to keep enemies from attacking while you hit them or just stall for time
Queen just dominated Season 5. Zerg remains supreme. Terran has a chance if drops slow the hive timing. Or if Terran can stop the 3rd or 4th base.
ZvT deep dive let's go! 😃
Excellent cast Arty! Enjoy your poo.
so Z needs better bulding set up and they are fine right?
arty boy is tired today
vulture s tier unit
Has been for weeks now
As a vegan I approve of this match.
TvZ/ZvT has become such a bore rn. What's interesting is how Terran are trying to cheese lol but the matchup is so predictable now. If T hasn't made almost game-ending damage by a certain point, Z wins because stacked Lurkers at each base into Plague grind is impossible to beat.
What a shame
Things like these are why i think Brood War could use a balance patch. Buff Firebats for instance so they become better against most Zerg units, thus mitigating the dark swarm problem to an extent.
Blizzard has to patch it - you can't have 1 individual unit (defiler) that can cast unlimited OP spells that shut down entire armies. There's no counter to it. No other RTS has such a broken unit.
@@MLO860. swarm should reduce dmg by 90%. Because they do need it in some way, but 90% would make it so that 2 Lurkers under a Dark Swarm could not hold 150 supply of marine siege tanks lmao
@@qcdoomqc yeah or make attacks miss like w/high ground.
Just get rid of consume. Irradiate doesn't counter defilers because zerg can produce defilers faster than vessels and with consume Terrans or Protoss can't scale with zerg. And the actual irradiate spell takes longer to to be impactful (taking out a unit) whereas dark swarm is instantaneous.
@ lol that would make more sense than what we got right now.
Cuz right now, you irradiate the defiler and dark swarm lasts so insanely long that he can just cast dark swarm and itll last until Z makes a brand new defiler, consumes a ling and casts a brand new dark swarm lmao.
I dont balance whine. Ever…. But between consume, dark swarm and plague defiler is the most insanely overpowered unit ive ever seen in an rts
Mech in TvZ: Everyone gets excited and happy as if Mech is the only honorable and right way to play Terran .
Bio vs Protoss: Everyone calls it cheesy , it is frowned upon. Cause ppl love their siege tanks.
I understand mech is much stronger vs toss, but we've seen multiple times bio working vs toss if supported by tanks/wraiths. What is this clownery? Mech's already used in 2 out of 3 match ups.
Is there a reason you never cast soul key games?
Good times
I've never laddered BW but I've seriously laddered other games and that felt like a ladder GG where you're just like, "ugh, yeah, I could still win, but I don't want to deal with this right now and it's ladder so who cares just hit "find match" again
Artosis missed some of the drone slaughter, but at the end, zerg was already down 14 drones vs terran scv (40vs54), with another 20 drones being threatened by the 3 vultures + dropship coming to the third. That's the kind of difference you never recover from.
Any other title changes?
Haven't watched it yet, but yes, ZvT is solved. Zerg will win when played on similar skill levels.
Is SK Terran just obsolete? It seems like that's what this series is gonna show. It kind of makes me feel really sad about StarCraft in general, as the biggest theme in the game is that Aliens-style space marines vs swarms of aliens action movie style. Marines were already a temporary stopgap in the early game until your factories come online in the other 2 Terran matchups. Now that's what they'll be for TvZ. Just something you use to threaten/pressure Zerg in the early game until the factories start coming online
Zerg made a lot of mistakes. You never rush zerglings, they slow your hatcheries in the beginning. Either make sunkens, or no zergling at all. Also, hydralisks are better than mutalisks against terran. Terran has no difficulty dishing out normal damage in the early game, unlike protoss.
I really don't think so, but we're sure going to find out in the next season or two
@@MeteCanKarahasan what the fuck are you saying?
I feel the same way you do bro. Literally the only matchup marines are used is TvZ and now its gonna be mech too. When I think of terran i think of space marines gunning down alien hordes as well.
Maybe. I think the issue with SK terran is that there's a clock on it, even more so than before now that Zergs really know how to deal with it. You really have to hit your window midgame or you're just in a losing position. Of course it's still possible to win by outplaying the opponent, but assuming equal skill you should lose
6:05 ..what? 😂
Hey RT, how come you dont ever do PvP games?
Because nobody wants to see that garbage
Great game
Hi from Brazil!!!
GJ calling out what the comments/channel talk about.. You should make a point to bring up a couple things from the comments if you can in every video.
Fuc yea GG indeed
What, why. He was way ahead the Zerg. That's a pity.
Letsgetit
Can anyone beat late game Zerg
Torrasque: [Tormented Roar]
That felt like a premature gg
If it was during a big tournament, sure. But this was just a ladder game and Sacsri didn't want to waste his time. The vultures combined with the dropship were going to get a lot of drones so it actually made sense he felt it was over.
That was a little anti climactic…
nice
Word
Zerg is so HYPE!!!
if you do analysis, maybe LOOK AT THE FKING MINIMAP TO GET WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GAME. happens too damn often
classic rage quit
terrancraft 100%
Z v anything is solved, boring, and overpowered as hell in both sc 1 and 2 sadly
ZvT nearly solved is such a shame cuz ZvT is the most iconic matchup in the franchise.
How do you get chills every single match it’s so weird
Can we try to get longer videos? These 15 minute videos are the worst
Worst game ever.. deep dive into a 5 minute game with a anti climatic ending
PWNED
jeez.. can u get any more anticlimactic.......?!