My grandmother grew up with no fluoride in the water and had false teeth by thirty. I brush my teeth once a day and have absolutely no fillings or missing teeth at the age of 45. Thank you fluoride.
I’m an atheist, but I don’t know what the fluoride has to do with atheism. Fluoride has literally crippled me . Antibiotics that use fluoride have severely disabled thousands of people look it up. The acronym is FQAD. Putting fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as putting it in the water of course but it’s still a toxic chemical Years ago, I met a guy from Africa with the whitest, most amazing teeth, almost shining, and I asked him about that because my family has bad teeth to a degree He said in his accent that he used “da chew sticks”. Traditionally people didn’t have toothbrushes they chewed certain branches and licorice trees have antimicrobial and taste nice. They don’t even need to brush. They just eat real food and then sort of used these chew sticks to help their gums and teeth. I noticed if I eat raw carrots, and vegetables, my gums and teeth are much healthier . But I am literally in a wheelchair now because of fluoride and it’s literally toxin. Look it up. I was a lawyer too. That doesn’t mean that all lawyers are correct. At the least, please be careful with antibiotics and ask your doctor about the side effects because I wasn’t warned . Democrats used to protect us from drug companies and manufacturer now they have completely sold out . Just because some Republicans oppose vaccines now all of the sudden Democrats just have a love affair with big Pharma and big chemical. Process foods and sugars came about at the beginning of the 20th century for the most part so your grandmother probably was just eating the diet people eat in America even then There was a famous study with pictures of tribes that showed that as soon as they were introduced to a western diet, their teeth went from beautiful to rotten rather quickly . I don’t know the timeframe maybe it was five or 10 years or 20 but they had the usual western health problems, including bad teeth.
@@joecheffo5942 I am sorry for the bad things you had to experience. The point that you give not any scientific evidence, like the dose of Fluorine in antibiotics(in your case ... don't tell me you do not know) ... which we could easily compare to the LD50 (we can look it up really easily!) and would show that your idea is absolute nonsense ... is rather sad. Maybe you had a bad product? Recalls happen all the time within the food or automobile/etc. industry. But that would not allow you to paint such a generalized picture of fluor and fluorides. With your unqualified stigmatization you are doing great harm to gullible people (I guess you are one of them yourself). Just for clarification: without Fluor ... it's over! You're done! We need such essential trace elements so that our biological body can function properly. I am just addressing your enemy-image here, the one and only "culprit" you spotted (And if an expert in this matter will take a closer look, your story will be ridiculous and show that your perception is distorted and full of half-truths), fluorides. I am not talking about all the other strange connections you weaved in and superficial allusions to completely different subject areas that you are making (up) there. It is remarkable how you managed to squeeze your political views, which no scientist or doctor could care less about when they are tasked with healing you, into this tangle of conspiracies and prime example of not being able to stay on topic. Respect! You have successfully confused yourself and now you want to do the same to others. This is the main reason why we shouldn't believe any people on the Internet without fact checking. Such claims are not even worth the dirt under the fingernails! Medicine has side effects. That's no secret. Maybe you're part of a tiny minority for whom things didn't turn out well. I'm very sorry about that! But not mentioning that and how things work in REALITY, or presenting it as if there were a BIG risk, is just disgraceful compared to the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of other people whose lives this very medicine or therapy has saved, or whose life expectancy has fundamentally improved. I can only recommend that you really speak EXTENSIVELY with your doctor to end your foray into the world of depression and made-up threats once and for all. That's also an illness and is not good for your life. Good luck with your self-reflection, my friend!
I think it's so good of Forrest to continue to keep working with the ACA, despite not getting paid for his appearances. He gets compensation from the other shows that he does. So a lot of respect for him volunteering here.
@@scottjohnson7248 Sure. I didn't mean to imply that he gets nothing out of being on the AXP. But my guess is that there's a pretty big overlap of audiences so that he's not accessing that much more by being on here. Even though the other channel is technically smaller, there's way more live watchers on the other place. But yes. He certainly is getting an indirect compensation by being on. Still, I think it's cool that he's a volunteer host.
It's better to put your faith in Christ rather yourself. Yourself ain't perfect you have weaknesses and flaws you put your faith in yourself your going to set yourself up for failure because as human your heart is filled with lies , confusion , sickness , pride , trickery , betrayal , lust , envy and manipulation so you are not perfect the scripture says it we are all filthy rags in the site of God meaning you can dress up , shower , take medicine , use fragrances , eat ect but without God we're all nothing filled with imperfections while God is pure and perfect.
@@scottjohnson7248 Forrest is passionate about spreading knowledge. If he could suvive on zero income, he'd do it just to help people learn more. It's the educator in him.
If he was just a bad listener, a boring thinker, or a bigot, he'd be less aggravating. Even if he were just 2/3 of those. But all 3 are so goddamn exhausting
Only three caller's the whole show is disappointing. I feel like the "we're not on [Jackie's] time" from cross examiner wasn't really true. Jackie monopolized this episode. And was a boring caller
Forrest: 'Do you believe in a literal, actual, thinking person that you call a god?' Jackie: 'I believe in an ineffable, transcendent unity of being.' Forrest: 'Does this God have a mind?' Jackie: 'I believe the basis of being has awareness of being.' You don't have to be lawyer to see what Jackie is doing.
Festering Apot had flaps like bags on a saddle The same as John Wayne used to straddle And every time Apot did you're in eight Those flaps would wildly oscillate Making a noise like a slappy paddle!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 It wasn't too bad. They were able to get Jackie to try to actually answer questions. But it's funny that even for a VERY simple question, he can't respond like a normal person. So there were some questions where his response for even a simple question such as do you like vanilla ice cream, could get a response, "I'm convinced of the proposition that a vanilla ice cream defined as a type of dairy confectionary that exists independent of my taste for any plenary of flavors could be within consideration for consumption."
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Fun car story for you. A mate and myself spent 1:47mins trying to find the strange knocking/tapping noise in the Cruiser 70 twin-cab. The fecking noise turned out to be the bloody seatbelt banging on the back pillar, I always keep the rear seatbelts buckled up and forgot I had undone the thing🤦♀
I understand Jackie might be a fun project for the hosts but they could have taken 3-4 other calls instead of batting him around. IMO maybe start moving him to the back of the queue because we've all heard more than enough of what he has to say at this point.
The last three or four or more shows I've watched had a Jackie call. I commented on the previous one that we might want to discourage him calling in, as it's getting to the point where people are tuning out rather than listen. And then I saw this. Forrest, I know you're likely too busy to see this note, but thankyou for handling this as you did. As a standalone it might come across as too harsh, but when placed in the context of the many many previous calls that have all gone about as you described, I think this was a good way to handle things. Hopefully Jackie has a good long think about his position and starts asking questions and seeking better answers.
It would take a really bad designer to design a universe that can easily be destroyed if anything changes the slightest bit within it. Any designer who put people on an Earth that has hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc. was a horrible designer. Any designer who made very few places where a human can survive is a poor designer if its goal was to create humans. Any designer who made our bodies able to get easily injured, subject to illnesses, and made us so our breathing tube is next to our eating tube was an incompetent designer.
The issue is if you read the first 2 chapters of genesis it showed how everything was good in the beginning but since people choose there own way as shown in chapter 3, sin corrupted everything and all creation suffers for it. But even though we choose to do evil, God died for us on the cross so thst we won’t have to be punished for our sins. So since Jesus paid our debt, if you believe in Him and not trust in your own character or deeds then you will be saved.
Jackie said that the probability that the conditions that sustain life would occur is astronomically small. In fact, the probability of them occurring is 100%. And we know that the probability is 100% because Jackie is alive to make his false claim.
@Byorin it's probably both, as well as his support in dragging lonely, scared young men down the alt-right pipeline so that they can be used by people who see them as nothing more than tools, which isn't resolving the men's mental health crisis we have, but is instead leveraging it and exacerbating it in the process.
@@BennyAscent Ok, thanks for replying. As far as the red pill connection goes, I think it’s true but unintentional and should be examined more. AFAIK, Peterson has constantly advised men and women to improve themselves by conquering whatever is hindering their potential. I believe a lot of young men specifically latch on to that because Peterson is one of the very few modern speakers who doesn’t speak to them as if they are trash that should be discarded. Perhaps there is an alternative positive option, but I’ve yet to see it.
@Byorin if it was 5 or so years ago, I mightve agreed with you. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. He has transitioned from a psychologist who reminded young men to fix themselves before the world, to a benzo-addict who pickets for a political agenda, demonising the other based on nothing more than propaganda ("woke-ists" "liberals" etc). The irony in this transition is staggering to me.
Thank you so much for not letting Jackie do his normal crap. I hope he finally understood after Cross-examiner and Forest eloquently explained it to him.
If Jackie hasn't learned _anything_ during this particular call, and calls into this show or one of the other channels next week with the same thing, I genuinely believe he'll never learn anything of consequence ever again. Examiner and Forrest schooled him harder than anyone ever has on any of these call-in shows, laid bare Jackie's routine and described in excruciating detail every single step that defines every single pre-determined talking point he's ever pulled out of his arse. It was both a pleasure and a privilege to listen to. If Jackie doesn't drastically change his tune the next time he deigns to get on the blower with the hosts, then I think it's probably too late for him. His "bit" is long overdue for discontinuation and it's too stark bleedin' obvious to anyone watching this show what he's trying (and miserably failing) to do. It's been very entertaining, but if he unironically keeps it up then I'm personally vowing to never waste a single sentence on Jackie ever again, beyond posting "cool substrate bro".
Aaaah, I missed the first half hour or so when y'all were live, and am just now going back to catch up on what I missed. I'm blushing. It literally made an exhausting day so much better that my answer to the previous atheist experience question got in the top three at all, much less the top slot!
1:10:51 I went to school to study math and physics, and the one thing that I love about science and that so many people don't get is that the best experiments don't prove things positively, but fail to falsify. We seek things to go against our propositions to avoid creating a biased view. We don't seek to confirm what we think we already know, we test the strength of that knowledge by trying to disprove it.
I hadn't seen the AXP livestream for a while, & this was a real treat. Two great hosts & good calls. Even Jackie's call was worth it because he was pinned down in a way that demonstrated his inability to think rationally and that he really doesn't seem to know as much as he thinks he does. I'll be interested to see if he changes his tactics. I really admired how willingly Ibrahim engaged with the hosts.
@@lulolie Unflavoured? He bring many bottles of concentrated piss and BS. Those stinks like hell and belivers are the only ones so nasty they are able tò drink It.
If there weren't so few theist calls these days they would have banned Jackie long ago. He has the lack of self-awareness of Ammanuel and the arrogance of Darth Dawkins in one pathetic package.
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Jonah 4:8 (NRSVUE): When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, *“It would be better for me to die than to live."*
The only way the fine-tuning argument could make sense is if you give special status to the current state and work backward. You have to assume that we represent some sort of preferred end state. It requires narcissism. In reality for every person that has ever lived (estimated to be 100 billion people total) there are an almost uncountable number of potential people that will never be. Each one of us has beaten seemingly insurmountable odds against our existence. That doesn't mean our existence has any special meaning.
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@@Atreyu-81 Fine tuning? 1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples. 2... We pee through our sex organs. 3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce. 4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans. 5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans. 6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live. 7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you... 8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat.. 9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you... 10.. Many large animals will kill you for food. 11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food... 12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure... 13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you. 14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people.... 15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first... 16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you... 17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that.... 18.. Mental illnesses... 19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual... 20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals... 21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22) 23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body... 24.. Women can die in childbirth. 25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils, tail bones etc... 26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there? 27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade? 28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine... 29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed. 30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe. 34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race.... 35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all... 36.. Why, if this is fine tuned, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us? 37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year. 38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time... 39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us... 40.. Why do humans kill each other. 41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that. 42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most. 43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails... 44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry? 45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle? 46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads. 47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one. 48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva. 49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down. 50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. 51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not. 52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable. 53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us. 54. Why can't animals talk? 55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence? 56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them... 57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was fine tuned for anyone? 58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet? 59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures. 60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within. 61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms. 62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare. 63. Jellyfish are essentially immortal being unable to die of old age. Why aren't we? 64. This entire universe may one day collapse back in on itself to create yet another singularity that may eventually expand into a new universe. 65 Your digestive juices can eat away at your stomach causing ulcers even death... 66. Your tongue can fall into the back of your throat cutting off your air supply and killing you... 67. Regurgitating digestive juices can damage vocal cords and or the lungs... 68. You can have food allergies to common human foods... 69. Parasitic worms can survive in your digestive tract 70. Loons are ducks with feet that cannot support the bird and it cannot walk. It will die within inches of water because it can't get to it. 71. The Sun can give you cancer 72. Magpies injure round 6,000 people a year. 73. Many other creatures have longer lives than us. 74. Our eyesight is so bad we cannot see most of the stars and galaxies in the night sky. 75. The Universe may simply be the way it is, simply because it had to be. 76. Even if the universe somehow turned out to be fine tuned. There is still no connection to a God or gods doing it.
ApotHead was intellectually marooned On an island he thought was "fine tuned" And he flew into a total panic When he realised benzene is organic Because his education was aggressively pruned!
*robot voice* " beep boop, I am not convinced of the proposition that Santa Claus is real as it would not be in accordance of objective reality" is Jackie an AI driven chat bot?
Jackie knocking on a neighbor's door. Excuse me sir or Madam but would you happen to have a few moments to discuss our lord and Savior Jordan Peterson?
21:11-22:08 Forrest, THANK YOU. I'm interested to know what Jackie (actually Jackie) thinks, but I'm definitely not willing to work THAT HARD to understand it. Jackie, Marketing is a thing.
It's hilarious that he can't give a straight answer to anything. I feel bad for the drivethru line when they ask him, "sir, would you like fries with that?" And Jackies spends five minutes responding about the proposition of having fries with his meal.
20:45 "So I'm convinced both of the propositional and existential embodied um phenomenology that um the religious um metaphysical ethic demands" I literally spit my coffee out laughing so hard 🤣🤣. Jackie, cmon bro lol. As a fun little exercise, I typed this into chatgpt, asking it to relay what Jackie is saying in simple terms, and whether or not he actually answered the question they asked. Here's what I got: "They are saying they believe in the meaningful impact of religion on life and human experience. This suggests they believe in some aspects of religion but they are not clearly stating if they believe in God directly." So, Jackie...you didn't answer the question AND you just made Dennet's "belief in belief" idea way more complicated than it needs to be. You're young, I get it. You think this stuff sounds impressive. But what's ACTUALLY impressive is distilling complex ideas into simple and easy to understand language. You did the exact opposite. You took a very simple concept, valuing the idea and benefits of religion, and are attempting to make it sound way more profound and complex. If your argument relies on obfuscation, complexity to mask the core of what you are saying, and obscure "five-dollar-words"...then you are engaged in poor argumentation and communication. Seriously Jackie, I hope as you get older, you learn what REAL good communication sounds like. Because this may be impressive and sound profound to people who already have been tricked into believing or your fellow debate Sunday school teens who are just getting into philosophy, but for people in the real world who want to know the truth... it just makes us feel sorry for you and leaves us confused.
Although I am an European-born Progressive, a SocialDemocrat and in no way I support maggats or RFK, I feel I need to point out something: most European countries do not fluoridate their water. Only three of them add fluoride to drinking water while others consume fluoridated salt, or fluoridated milk or, like in some areas of Italy, they have water with natural fluoride levels that are already optimal. The main reasons for not adding fluoride to drinking water : There is no obvious advantage to water fluoridation over topical application, such as through toothpaste or mouthwash; children can easily exceed the recommended fluoride intake and experience dental fluorosis; fluoride is the only chemical added to drinking water for the purpose of medication, while other chemicals are added to improve water quality and safety. Food for thought.
Except they have data to show that in the US, it's beneficial. You have to realize that in the US, there is no national Healthcare. So getting regular dental checkup where kids can be educated and checked for regular toothbrushing might not occur at the rates in Europe.
This is just ridiculous. Fluoride in water is not only safe, but DEMONSTRABLY BENEFICIAL, not just to teeth directly, but also to the heart. Sure, if children are getting DAILY topical application, then fluoridation doesn't help (much), but it's STILL not harmful! It only time when it becomes a problem is if the water already contains high fluoride levels, in which case, there is no reason to add it, or if they eat their toothpaste regularly (in which case, the toothpaste becomes a problem in its own right).
are there any states the do not add fluoride to their water? if so all you have to do is compare dental health in those states as comparison! this info should be readily available.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 OP seems to be under the impression that if water is fluoridated that along with topical fruoride there's a danger of overdosing on fluoride. It IS possible to get fluorisis (fluoride overdose), but it's extremely rare with a few deaths happening when excess fluoride enters a water system accidentally. But all studies show that as long as standard safety systems are in place, there's absolutely no need to stop fluoridation. the other thing to note is that for a lot of people, they drink less and less of tap water. And most bottled water is not fluoridated.
He's either lying that he actually believes in god, or he's lying that god is just this "basis" for human behavior. He doesn't want to touch the former with a 49 and a half foot pole.
Nobody wants an indoctrinated, emasculated, kweirdo for president. People began to see the emerging horrors of queer supremacy and hedonism forced on society. I think that was enough to send the punk back to the shadows for a few more generations at least
@@t800fantasm2 I don't think Forrest would win. He actually knows the Bible. Can quote scripture. Knows which side is up. Hasn't cheated on his wife while she's pregnant by finding an adult film star that he strings along just to get into per panties. And even if he knew an adult film star, doesn't compare her to his daughter. Doesn't insinuate that he wants to be like Lot and his daughter. Hasn't been convicted of felonies. Doesn't have a bunch of other criminal charges that he needs to get rid of by becoming a president. Hasn't said he was going to be a dictator. Won't mass deport a whole group of people like they did in Germany some decades ago. I could go on. But Forrest isn't very presidential. And putting him in the White House won't get a felon off the streets.
I think the political climate would change if he campaigned even if the expected loss is the result. But it's not like the presidency is the only place you can do good.
In the call with George, it's been proven that self-awareness comes from structures in the brain. Some corvid (bird) species have self-awareness due to possessing certain brain structures too
I just finished reading a book about the Bronze Age Collapse. That is a historical term for the time in about 1170 BCE when large imperial civilizations around the eastern Mediterranean that had existed for centuries collapsed within a surprisingly short period and disappeared from history. Every single one of those empires had an internal ethical and, no doubt, religious structure that stabilized the state and its institutions. That's just one example for demonstrating the fallaciousness of that tired old phrase "Judeo-Christian values are the only ones that stabilize civilization". Also: A Forrest Valkay rant!! Great!!
Anyone else think of that scene in Avengers Age of Ultron where Iron Mna just pounds The hulk into the pavement over and over and over again when Forrest was going off at Jackie?
Jackie's weekly essay got an F as usual cause he couldn't justify his thoughts and projections. He really proves weekly that he has little ability to converse with people. The hosts did a great job holding his feet to the fire trying to force him to just listen and have a conversation. He really just wants to regurgitate stuff he heard or read from people within his bubble. I get irritated by his attempts to speak so quickly and say nothing, but I feel sorry for him at the same time. I wonder if anyone in his life has tried to do what every host on every show has done, make him think.
The evidence provided by his calls suggest that it's worse than just no noone in his life encouraging him to actually think. It seems to me his people are actively discouraging him thinking for himself.
Underquoted scripture at funerals: If it's any of my employees: "The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work."
To ibrahim: it is absurd for a believer in the abrahamic god to claim they don't intervene. All your books are loaded with intervention. "God just lets people do their people thing." He most certainly has not, if your histories are at all correct. He is only hidden and/or a non-actor because we have recording devices and you need an explanation for the lack of evidence.
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: John 11:36 (NIV): “But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
I love that they spent the first hour explaining the same thing over and over again. I think next time that Jackie calls they should talk to him a little longer.
Jackie, an omnipotent god could create life under any circumstances, so the need for fine tuning actually _contradicts_ your hypothesis. Moreover, the argument does nothing to show life is a desired outcome, it just presumes it. It's the equivalent of rolling a 6 and then concluding there must be a god that wanted that roll. Other than that it's a great argument. 🙄
Ibrahim, we shouldn't (if we wish to remain rational) start out believing everything until disproven, this would lead to the absurdity of believing in every conceivable claim from the existence of invisible flying cats that talk Spanish to invisible wasps that teach tuna fish how to play the piano in dreamland
I'm convinced that Jacky is high on the autism spectrum. I had previous experience with a young student who, at the age of 10, was extremely well versed in astrophysics. His knowledge and understanding were verified and confirmed by experts. He would talk using all the technical terms of that field. Two sentences into any conversation with this young boy and I was TOTALLY LOST! His mind was WAY OUT THERE! Predictably as well as VERY SADLY, this boy had NO FRIENDS. He could NOT relate to anyone nor could anyone relate to him. I believe this is the case with Jacky. Just listen to his speech patterns; he is locked in and absolutely undettered. I don't gamble but I would bet a nickel on this one!
Dear Ibrahim, I'd rate the arguments against god as: 1. Argument from Divine Hiddenness 2. Argument from Divine Incoherence 3. Argument from the Null Hypothesis
Jackie just a) likes the sound of their own voice and b) just wants to use big words in a complicated way so you can all see he knows big words (but I'm not convinced he understands those words), and c) they just want to show that they listen to someone else, regurgitate it back, so y'all know they listen to someone else. They have no original thoughts and want to sound "clever" but it backfires coz they just sound dumb
36:51 I feel that Jackie's problem (specific to this conversation about the fine tuning argument; there are clearly many others) is that he doesn't understand the difference between a hypothetical universe and a possible universe. Hypothetical is what one can conceive of; possible is what may actually exist. This is an important distinction that those enamored of philosophical argument tend to ignore. There are infinitely many hypothetical universes, but we have no way of determining whether those universes are possible or not.
just to say - Around 10% of the population of the United Kingdom receives fluoridated water, about half a million people receive water that is naturally fluoridated with calcium fluoride, and about 6 million total receive artificially fluoridated water.
Ffs.....stop taking Jackies calls. How many times do you need to explain the problem with what he’s doing, only for him to ignore you when he next calls, before you say enough?
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Genesis 3:4-5 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die, for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Buybull passage oft not quoted at a funeral “Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.” (Isaiah 3:16-17 KJV)
@@Atreyu-02 Watch the entire episode, at the beginning they ask for a passage that one would not hear at a funeral. Unless you wish to argue that this passage *would* be read at a funeral, your statement is irrelevant.
That was easily the best handling of a Jackie call on any show.
Thanks. We wanted to see if we could break through. He had moments of clarity, but I doubt I will take any more calls from him.
My grandmother grew up with no fluoride in the water and had false teeth by thirty.
I brush my teeth once a day and have absolutely no fillings or missing teeth at the age of 45.
Thank you fluoride.
I’m an atheist, but I don’t know what the fluoride has to do with atheism.
Fluoride has literally crippled me . Antibiotics that use fluoride have severely disabled thousands of people look it up. The acronym is FQAD.
Putting fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as putting it in the water of course but it’s still a toxic chemical
Years ago, I met a guy from Africa with the whitest, most amazing teeth, almost shining, and I asked him about that because my family has bad teeth to a degree
He said in his accent that he used “da chew sticks”. Traditionally people didn’t have toothbrushes they chewed certain branches and licorice trees have antimicrobial and taste nice.
They don’t even need to brush. They just eat real food and then sort of used these chew sticks to help their gums and teeth.
I noticed if I eat raw carrots, and vegetables, my gums and teeth are much healthier .
But I am literally in a wheelchair now because of fluoride and it’s literally toxin. Look it up. I was a lawyer too. That doesn’t mean that all lawyers are correct.
At the least, please be careful with antibiotics and ask your doctor about the side effects because I wasn’t warned .
Democrats used to protect us from drug companies and manufacturer now they have completely sold out . Just because some Republicans oppose vaccines now all of the sudden Democrats just have a love affair with big Pharma and big chemical.
Process foods and sugars came about at the beginning of the 20th century for the most part so your grandmother probably was just eating the diet people eat in America even then
There was a famous study with pictures of tribes that showed that as soon as they were introduced to a western diet, their teeth went from beautiful to rotten rather quickly . I don’t know the timeframe maybe it was five or 10 years or 20 but they had the usual western health problems, including bad teeth.
@@joecheffo5942 I am sorry for the bad things you had to experience.
The point that you give not any scientific evidence, like the dose of Fluorine in antibiotics(in your case ... don't tell me you do not know) ... which we could easily compare to the LD50 (we can look it up really easily!) and would show that your idea is absolute nonsense ... is rather sad. Maybe you had a bad product? Recalls happen all the time within the food or automobile/etc. industry. But that would not allow you to paint such a generalized picture of fluor and fluorides. With your unqualified stigmatization you are doing great harm to gullible people (I guess you are one of them yourself). Just for clarification: without Fluor ... it's over! You're done! We need such essential trace elements so that our biological body can function properly.
I am just addressing your enemy-image here, the one and only "culprit" you spotted (And if an expert in this matter will take a closer look, your story will be ridiculous and show that your perception is distorted and full of half-truths), fluorides. I am not talking about all the other strange connections you weaved in and superficial allusions to completely different subject areas that you are making (up) there.
It is remarkable how you managed to squeeze your political views, which no scientist or doctor could care less about when they are tasked with healing you, into this tangle of conspiracies and prime example of not being able to stay on topic. Respect!
You have successfully confused yourself and now you want to do the same to others. This is the main reason why we shouldn't believe any people on the Internet without fact checking. Such claims are not even worth the dirt under the fingernails!
Medicine has side effects. That's no secret. Maybe you're part of a tiny minority for whom things didn't turn out well. I'm very sorry about that! But not mentioning that and how things work in REALITY, or presenting it as if there were a BIG risk, is just disgraceful compared to the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of other people whose lives this very medicine or therapy has saved, or whose life expectancy has fundamentally improved.
I can only recommend that you really speak EXTENSIVELY with your doctor to end your foray into the world of depression and made-up threats once and for all. That's also an illness and is not good for your life. Good luck with your self-reflection, my friend!
Dr Ben best sumed up Jackie when he said you dont sound as smart as you think you just sound like a tool
summed up😊
@@PhysiKarlz egg 🥚 sactly!!
I think it's so good of Forrest to continue to keep working with the ACA, despite not getting paid for his appearances. He gets compensation from the other shows that he does. So a lot of respect for him volunteering here.
He knows how to build his brand. Ubiquity is his chosen strategy.
@@scottjohnson7248 Sure. I didn't mean to imply that he gets nothing out of being on the AXP. But my guess is that there's a pretty big overlap of audiences so that he's not accessing that much more by being on here. Even though the other channel is technically smaller, there's way more live watchers on the other place.
But yes. He certainly is getting an indirect compensation by being on. Still, I think it's cool that he's a volunteer host.
It's better to put your faith in Christ rather yourself. Yourself ain't perfect you have weaknesses and flaws you put your faith in yourself your going to set yourself up for failure because as human your heart is filled with lies , confusion , sickness , pride , trickery , betrayal , lust , envy and manipulation so you are not perfect the scripture says it we are all filthy rags in the site of God meaning you can dress up , shower , take medicine , use fragrances , eat ect but without God we're all nothing filled with imperfections while God is pure and perfect.
@@scottjohnson7248 Forrest is passionate about spreading knowledge. If he could suvive on zero income, he'd do it just to help people learn more. It's the educator in him.
@@queuecee I appreciate it as a new atheist and. Nurse!!!?👩⚕️
I’m so sick of Jackie 🤮😤
He called back?? 😒
If he was just a bad listener, a boring thinker, or a bigot, he'd be less aggravating. Even if he were just 2/3 of those. But all 3 are so goddamn exhausting
Not me, I love hearing him get the proverbial smackdown.
Only three caller's the whole show is disappointing. I feel like the "we're not on [Jackie's] time" from cross examiner wasn't really true. Jackie monopolized this episode. And was a boring caller
Can you please ban Jackie?
Jackie seems terrified of talking off-script. I'd pray for Jackie if I believed prayer did anything
The scripting is so obvious when you hear him stumbling over the words he is clearly reading.
@@elecbass100 have you tried thoughts and prayers? Hehe
Forrest: 'Do you believe in a literal, actual, thinking person that you call a god?'
Jackie: 'I believe in an ineffable, transcendent unity of being.'
Forrest: 'Does this God have a mind?'
Jackie: 'I believe the basis of being has awareness of being.'
You don't have to be lawyer to see what Jackie is doing.
Forrest : is this from you or someone else?
Jackie : I don't like your dichotomy
Great start
Please do more shows with these 2 hosting again. Both are logical and concise.
Jackie uses many (MANY) words.
"Yes" and "No" do not apoear to be among them.
I searched "forrrest valkai is a big old buttface," but I added "with amazing hair" and there is also entries for that, 4 matches 😂
Search Forrest prolapsed meat wheel rubbed off hole hair
Festering Apot had flaps like bags on a saddle
The same as John Wayne used to straddle
And every time Apot did you're in eight
Those flaps would wildly oscillate
Making a noise like a slappy paddle!
What's the project/website? I haven't been able to find where Forrest mentioned it. Thx
Yes 🥳 I got a full Jackie bingo card 🥳
Well, to be fair, everyone should have a blackout by the time the call was done.
@@scottjohnson7248 Well, he did refuse to say "substrate".
Jackie's quite a wet blanket and could not even play along.
@@queuecee "substrate" was on my Jackie bingo card for his call to Talk Heathen.
George is right, it IS tricky… to rock a rhyme… that’s right on time… it’s tricky 🤷♂️🤣
The hosts did a great job an wrangling Jackie. I think it made the call a LOT better that a couple of othe Jackie calls ive heard.
Olympic lymbo levels of low bar right there.
I always skip the Jackie calls. I'm guessing that I didn't miss anything on this one?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 It wasn't too bad. They were able to get Jackie to try to actually answer questions. But it's funny that even for a VERY simple question, he can't respond like a normal person.
So there were some questions where his response for even a simple question such as do you like vanilla ice cream, could get a response, "I'm convinced of the proposition that a vanilla ice cream defined as a type of dairy confectionary that exists independent of my taste for any plenary of flavors could be within consideration for consumption."
@@queuecee I, too, prefer vanilla ice cream, but only if it is served with loads of chilli garlic pickle.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Fun car story for you. A mate and myself spent 1:47mins trying to find the strange knocking/tapping noise in the Cruiser 70 twin-cab.
The fecking noise turned out to be the bloody seatbelt banging on the back pillar, I always keep the rear seatbelts buckled up and forgot I had undone the thing🤦♀
Forrest Valkai ❤❤❤
Sensational show as always AXP 🥰
Keep up the great work 💪
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
I understand Jackie might be a fun project for the hosts but they could have taken 3-4 other calls instead of batting him around. IMO maybe start moving him to the back of the queue because we've all heard more than enough of what he has to say at this point.
The last three or four or more shows I've watched had a Jackie call. I commented on the previous one that we might want to discourage him calling in, as it's getting to the point where people are tuning out rather than listen. And then I saw this. Forrest, I know you're likely too busy to see this note, but thankyou for handling this as you did. As a standalone it might come across as too harsh, but when placed in the context of the many many previous calls that have all gone about as you described, I think this was a good way to handle things. Hopefully Jackie has a good long think about his position and starts asking questions and seeking better answers.
It would take a really bad designer to design a universe that can easily be destroyed if anything changes the slightest bit within it. Any designer who put people on an Earth that has hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc. was a horrible designer. Any designer who made very few places where a human can survive is a poor designer if its goal was to create humans. Any designer who made our bodies able to get easily injured, subject to illnesses, and made us so our breathing tube is next to our eating tube was an incompetent designer.
Let's not forget putting the pleasure park so close to the sewerage, although some can find pleasure in both
The issue is if you read the first 2 chapters of genesis it showed how everything was good in the beginning but since people choose there own way as shown in chapter 3, sin corrupted everything and all creation suffers for it. But even though we choose to do evil, God died for us on the cross so thst we won’t have to be punished for our sins. So since Jesus paid our debt, if you believe in Him and not trust in your own character or deeds then you will be saved.
Jackie said that the probability that the conditions that sustain life would occur is astronomically small. In fact, the probability of them occurring is 100%. And we know that the probability is 100% because Jackie is alive to make his false claim.
Limit jackie calls to 10-15min. He doesn't deserve the time over others
They keep him long on AXP and on TH because they don't have many callers...This episode would have been really short without Jackie...
I prefer if his calls were limited to 10-15 seconds, at most
@nietzschescodes that's fine, just make it podcast kinda oriented and listen to the hosts talk. OR get on the athiest callers
He calls every show every week and absolutely nothing productive to show for any of it.
Ban him!
Jackie is a huge Jordan Peterson fan.
I thought Jordan Peterson was the huge Jordan Peterson fan.
I noticed a lot of Axp hosts and viewers loathe Peterson, but I’m not sure exactly why.
Is it the trans thing or his bible rants?
@Byorin it's probably both, as well as his support in dragging lonely, scared young men down the alt-right pipeline so that they can be used by people who see them as nothing more than tools, which isn't resolving the men's mental health crisis we have, but is instead leveraging it and exacerbating it in the process.
@@BennyAscent Ok, thanks for replying.
As far as the red pill connection goes, I think it’s true but unintentional and should be examined more. AFAIK, Peterson has constantly advised men and women to improve themselves by conquering whatever is hindering their potential. I believe a lot of young men specifically latch on to that because Peterson is one of the very few modern speakers who doesn’t speak to them as if they are trash that should be discarded. Perhaps there is an alternative positive option, but I’ve yet to see it.
@Byorin if it was 5 or so years ago, I mightve agreed with you. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. He has transitioned from a psychologist who reminded young men to fix themselves before the world, to a benzo-addict who pickets for a political agenda, demonising the other based on nothing more than propaganda ("woke-ists" "liberals" etc). The irony in this transition is staggering to me.
Thank you so much for not letting Jackie do his normal crap. I hope he finally understood after Cross-examiner and Forest eloquently explained it to him.
Thanks!
So Jackie doesn't care if his beliefs match reality or not. He just thinks religion is good.
@ReiperX exactly like Jordan Peterson. You'll never get him to say a god exists but he'll extol the virtues of "Judeo Christian values".
If Jackie hasn't learned _anything_ during this particular call, and calls into this show or one of the other channels next week with the same thing, I genuinely believe he'll never learn anything of consequence ever again. Examiner and Forrest schooled him harder than anyone ever has on any of these call-in shows, laid bare Jackie's routine and described in excruciating detail every single step that defines every single pre-determined talking point he's ever pulled out of his arse. It was both a pleasure and a privilege to listen to. If Jackie doesn't drastically change his tune the next time he deigns to get on the blower with the hosts, then I think it's probably too late for him. His "bit" is long overdue for discontinuation and it's too stark bleedin' obvious to anyone watching this show what he's trying (and miserably failing) to do. It's been very entertaining, but if he unironically keeps it up then I'm personally vowing to never waste a single sentence on Jackie ever again, beyond posting "cool substrate bro".
I think it depends (at least a little) on whether he’s as young as he sounds. If he’s is 15 or 16 like he sounds, then there’s hope… 🤪😂
@@jonnowds I suppose that's fair. All the mickey-taking aside, I really hope Jackie finds a way out of this Petersonian brainrot.
@@freakishuproar1168 💯
Great show guys! Cross Examiner fuckin rocks! This guy is smart, respectful, and explains his thoughts very well. 👍 Forest is of course awesome too.
Aaaah, I missed the first half hour or so when y'all were live, and am just now going back to catch up on what I missed. I'm blushing. It literally made an exhausting day so much better that my answer to the previous atheist experience question got in the top three at all, much less the top slot!
1:10:51 I went to school to study math and physics, and the one thing that I love about science and that so many people don't get is that the best experiments don't prove things positively, but fail to falsify. We seek things to go against our propositions to avoid creating a biased view. We don't seek to confirm what we think we already know, we test the strength of that knowledge by trying to disprove it.
Thank you (hosts) for channeling my feelings about Jackie.
Most welcome!
I was ready for a few more"substrate"bong hits on Jackie's call!😂
Last time I played the Jackie substrate game,I got pretty baked!
I hadn't seen the AXP livestream for a while, & this was a real treat. Two great hosts & good calls. Even Jackie's call was worth it because he was pinned down in a way that demonstrated his inability to think rationally and that he really doesn't seem to know as much as he thinks he does. I'll be interested to see if he changes his tactics. I really admired how willingly Ibrahim engaged with the hosts.
Thanks so much!
Y’all make such a good team
Jackie's the guy who brings generic shit lager to the party and then drinks everyone else's premium ales. I reject his existence.
He brings unflavored energy drinks
@@lulolie Unflavoured? He bring many bottles of concentrated piss and BS. Those stinks like hell and belivers are the only ones so nasty they are able tò drink It.
Once I got it in my head that George was actually Nandor, I couldn't let it go.
If there weren't so few theist calls these days they would have banned Jackie long ago. He has the lack of self-awareness of Ammanuel and the arrogance of Darth Dawkins in one pathetic package.
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Jonah 4:8 (NRSVUE):
When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, *“It would be better for me to die than to live."*
God could have provided an umbrella and a beer or thrice(after some water ofc)
I think the words "yes" and "no" are not in Jackie's vocabulary.
George reminds me of that quote from Jaden Smith from years ago "How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real".
Great show in spite of Jackie. Thank you so much Forrest and Graham!
Thanks so much!
The only way the fine-tuning argument could make sense is if you give special status to the current state and work backward. You have to assume that we represent some sort of preferred end state. It requires narcissism.
In reality for every person that has ever lived (estimated to be 100 billion people total) there are an almost uncountable number of potential people that will never be. Each one of us has beaten seemingly insurmountable odds against our existence. That doesn't mean our existence has any special meaning.
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@@Atreyu-81
Fine tuning?
1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples.
2... We pee through our sex organs.
3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce.
4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans.
5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans.
6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live.
7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you...
8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat..
9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you...
10.. Many large animals will kill you for food.
11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food...
12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure...
13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you.
14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people....
15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first...
16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you...
17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that....
18.. Mental illnesses...
19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual...
20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals...
21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22)
23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body...
24.. Women can die in childbirth.
25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils, tail bones etc...
26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there?
27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade?
28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine...
29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed.
30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe.
34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race....
35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all...
36.. Why, if this is fine tuned, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us?
37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year.
38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time...
39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us...
40.. Why do humans kill each other.
41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that.
42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most.
43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails...
44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry?
45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle?
46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads.
47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one.
48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva.
49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down.
50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth.
51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not.
52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable.
53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us.
54. Why can't animals talk?
55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence?
56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them...
57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was fine tuned for anyone?
58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet?
59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures.
60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within.
61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms.
62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare.
63. Jellyfish are essentially immortal being unable to die of old age. Why aren't we?
64. This entire universe may one day collapse back in on itself to create yet another singularity that may eventually expand into a new universe.
65 Your digestive juices can eat away at your stomach causing ulcers even death...
66. Your tongue can fall into the back of your throat cutting off your air supply and killing you...
67. Regurgitating digestive juices can damage vocal cords and or the lungs...
68. You can have food allergies to common human foods...
69. Parasitic worms can survive in your digestive tract
70. Loons are ducks with feet that cannot support the bird and it cannot walk. It will die within inches of water because it can't get to it.
71. The Sun can give you cancer
72. Magpies injure round 6,000 people a year.
73. Many other creatures have longer lives than us.
74. Our eyesight is so bad we cannot see most of the stars and galaxies in the night sky.
75. The Universe may simply be the way it is, simply because it had to be.
76. Even if the universe somehow turned out to be fine tuned. There is still no connection to a God or gods doing it.
@Atreyu-81 Non sequitur
@@Atreyu-81 Come on, Apot. Tell us about the existence of carbon atoms in your FanFic Fine Tuned universe!
I dare you!
LMFAO
ApotHead was intellectually marooned
On an island he thought was "fine tuned"
And he flew into a total panic
When he realised benzene is organic
Because his education was aggressively pruned!
Forrest, thanks for being awesome man!
*robot voice* " beep boop, I am not convinced of the proposition that Santa Claus is real as it would not be in accordance of objective reality" is Jackie an AI driven chat bot?
Maybe he's feeding the questions into a one to write his answers?
Jackie knocking on a neighbor's door.
Excuse me sir or Madam but would you happen to have a few moments to discuss our lord and Savior Jordan Peterson?
Go Forrest! Holding Jackie's feet to the fire.
I wasn't expecting character development from Jackie...good for them
We finally got moments of honesty from him. IIRC, he answered a yes/no question with a yes or a no, for once!
@thecrossexaminer6665 but the proposition of yes or no creates a false dichotomy in a metaphysical substrate in a transcendental archetype
21:11-22:08 Forrest, THANK YOU. I'm interested to know what Jackie (actually Jackie) thinks, but I'm definitely not willing to work THAT HARD to understand it.
Jackie, Marketing is a thing.
Jackie belongs to the "religion" called Noahide, once you know what that is Jackie's calls are going to make you 🤣
What a fantastic host duo!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is the first time I’ve heard Jackie, and I gotta say, this dude is so entertaining. I love the babbling nonsense lmfao
It's hilarious that he can't give a straight answer to anything. I feel bad for the drivethru line when they ask him, "sir, would you like fries with that?" And Jackies spends five minutes responding about the proposition of having fries with his meal.
Omfg that’s hilarious. I can’t get that image out of my head now lmfao
@@DJJD669 It gets even better when you know that young Jackie (16 years old) and Jackie is not Christian, he is a Noahide.🤣
20:45 "So I'm convinced both of the propositional and existential embodied um phenomenology that um the religious um metaphysical ethic demands"
I literally spit my coffee out laughing so hard 🤣🤣. Jackie, cmon bro lol.
As a fun little exercise, I typed this into chatgpt, asking it to relay what Jackie is saying in simple terms, and whether or not he actually answered the question they asked. Here's what I got:
"They are saying they believe in the meaningful impact of religion on life and human experience. This suggests they believe in some aspects of religion but they are not clearly stating if they believe in God directly."
So, Jackie...you didn't answer the question AND you just made Dennet's "belief in belief" idea way more complicated than it needs to be. You're young, I get it. You think this stuff sounds impressive. But what's ACTUALLY impressive is distilling complex ideas into simple and easy to understand language. You did the exact opposite. You took a very simple concept, valuing the idea and benefits of religion, and are attempting to make it sound way more profound and complex. If your argument relies on obfuscation, complexity to mask the core of what you are saying, and obscure "five-dollar-words"...then you are engaged in poor argumentation and communication.
Seriously Jackie, I hope as you get older, you learn what REAL good communication sounds like. Because this may be impressive and sound profound to people who already have been tricked into believing or your fellow debate Sunday school teens who are just getting into philosophy, but for people in the real world who want to know the truth... it just makes us feel sorry for you and leaves us confused.
Although I am an European-born Progressive, a SocialDemocrat and in no way I support maggats or RFK, I feel I need to point out something: most European countries do not fluoridate their water. Only three of them add fluoride to drinking water while others consume fluoridated salt, or fluoridated milk or, like in some areas of Italy, they have water with natural fluoride levels that are already optimal. The main reasons for not adding fluoride to drinking water : There is no obvious advantage to water fluoridation over topical application, such as through toothpaste or mouthwash; children can easily exceed the recommended fluoride intake and experience dental fluorosis; fluoride is the only chemical added to drinking water for the purpose of medication, while other chemicals are added to improve water quality and safety. Food for thought.
Except they have data to show that in the US, it's beneficial.
You have to realize that in the US, there is no national Healthcare. So getting regular dental checkup where kids can be educated and checked for regular toothbrushing might not occur at the rates in Europe.
This is just ridiculous. Fluoride in water is not only safe, but DEMONSTRABLY BENEFICIAL, not just to teeth directly, but also to the heart.
Sure, if children are getting DAILY topical application, then fluoridation doesn't help (much), but it's STILL not harmful! It only time when it becomes a problem is if the water already contains high fluoride levels, in which case, there is no reason to add it, or if they eat their toothpaste regularly (in which case, the toothpaste becomes a problem in its own right).
are there any states the do not add fluoride to their water?
if so all you have to do is compare dental health in those states as comparison!
this info should be readily available.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 OP seems to be under the impression that if water is fluoridated that along with topical fruoride there's a danger of overdosing on fluoride.
It IS possible to get fluorisis (fluoride overdose), but it's extremely rare with a few deaths happening when excess fluoride enters a water system accidentally. But all studies show that as long as standard safety systems are in place, there's absolutely no need to stop fluoridation.
the other thing to note is that for a lot of people, they drink less and less of tap water. And most bottled water is not fluoridated.
America has much bigger and more important issues than if there is too much fluoride in the water.
So Jackie straight up lied before about his beliefs when he attempted to define his god.
He's so dishonest.
He's either lying that he actually believes in god, or he's lying that god is just this "basis" for human behavior. He doesn't want to touch the former with a 49 and a half foot pole.
Forrest, are you old enough to run for president in 2028?
Nobody wants an indoctrinated, emasculated, kweirdo for president. People began to see the emerging horrors of queer supremacy and hedonism forced on society. I think that was enough to send the punk back to the shadows for a few more generations at least
@@Atreyu-81 "Nobody wants an indoctrinated, emasculated, kweirdo for president."
Oh, so they turned YOU down...
Heaven forbid if they ever voted for an effeminate Jesus look alike as their president, over old white Christian men 😂
@@t800fantasm2 I don't think Forrest would win. He actually knows the Bible. Can quote scripture. Knows which side is up. Hasn't cheated on his wife while she's pregnant by finding an adult film star that he strings along just to get into per panties. And even if he knew an adult film star, doesn't compare her to his daughter. Doesn't insinuate that he wants to be like Lot and his daughter. Hasn't been convicted of felonies. Doesn't have a bunch of other criminal charges that he needs to get rid of by becoming a president. Hasn't said he was going to be a dictator. Won't mass deport a whole group of people like they did in Germany some decades ago.
I could go on. But Forrest isn't very presidential. And putting him in the White House won't get a felon off the streets.
I think the political climate would change if he campaigned even if the expected loss is the result. But it's not like the presidency is the only place you can do good.
In the call with George, it's been proven that self-awareness comes from structures in the brain. Some corvid (bird) species have self-awareness due to possessing certain brain structures too
Jackie is a Jordan Peterson robot
I wish I could get a transcript of Forrest’s critique of Jackie and Jordan Peterson at around 26 minutes.
If you look in the Shows notes, at the bottom of that page there is an option to Show Transcript.
Hope that helps🍻
Poor Jackie he has nothing but ward salad
I LOVE you guys so much! More I listen to you all, more I feel that I am not alone on this planet.
Thanks so much!
I just finished reading a book about the Bronze Age Collapse. That is a historical term for the time in about 1170 BCE when large imperial civilizations around the eastern Mediterranean that had existed for centuries collapsed within a surprisingly short period and disappeared from history. Every single one of those empires had an internal ethical and, no doubt, religious structure that stabilized the state and its institutions. That's just one example for demonstrating the fallaciousness of that tired old phrase "Judeo-Christian values are the only ones that stabilize civilization".
Also: A Forrest Valkay rant!! Great!!
Anyone else think of that scene in Avengers Age of Ultron where Iron Mna just pounds The hulk into the pavement over and over and over again when Forrest was going off at Jackie?
Jackie's weekly essay got an F as usual cause he couldn't justify his thoughts and projections. He really proves weekly that he has little ability to converse with people. The hosts did a great job holding his feet to the fire trying to force him to just listen and have a conversation. He really just wants to regurgitate stuff he heard or read from people within his bubble. I get irritated by his attempts to speak so quickly and say nothing, but I feel sorry for him at the same time. I wonder if anyone in his life has tried to do what every host on every show has done, make him think.
The evidence provided by his calls suggest that it's worse than just no noone in his life encouraging him to actually think. It seems to me his people are actively discouraging him thinking for himself.
Underquoted scripture at funerals: If it's any of my employees: "The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work."
Ibrahim was a great caller. Disagree to death with him, but that call was productive. Great job guys. 👏
When jackie said 'i heard...' he broke the rules...
God believers just talk to themselves and call it god.
...that's why they call in to talk about him, not god calling in to talk about them.
Good way of dealing with Jackie, but still too much show time taken up with him.
To ibrahim: it is absurd for a believer in the abrahamic god to claim they don't intervene. All your books are loaded with intervention.
"God just lets people do their people thing."
He most certainly has not, if your histories are at all correct. He is only hidden and/or a non-actor because we have recording devices and you need an explanation for the lack of evidence.
Funeral passage: “And the Lord smote him in his bowels And it came to pass, his bowels fell out so he died of sore diseases.” 2 Chron 21:18,19
If you won't ban Jackie, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SACRED AND HOLY limit his time to 20 minutes.
I wonder what it’s like to ask Jackie if he’s thirsty and if he’d like something to drink
Jackie: What is thirsty?…
There's five different definitions of thirsty, let me list them all...
In a metaphysical proposition, one could deduce that thirsty is a false dichotomy in a meta substrate archetype
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: John 11:36 (NIV):
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
I love that they spent the first hour explaining the same thing over and over again. I think next time that Jackie calls they should talk to him a little longer.
That was the best way I’ve ever seen anyone handle Jackie and his bullshit. Hopefully it’ll put him off calling again…
Don't count on it
personaly , I believe in atheism.
Funeral passage: “And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him.” Genesis 38:10
"Mom, can we have JMike?"
"We have JMike at home"
JMike at home: Jackie
It's a common misconception that God rested on the 7th day. He didn't, he created Jackie!😅
Teleologically, the odds of a universe creating a Jackie are very low, so you must be right.
test god with the scientific method.
test time with the scientific method.
Forrest stole his swag from Kuwabara. 😂😭😂😭
I see "Jackie" in the list, and I won't watch this week...
Jackie, an omnipotent god could create life under any circumstances, so the need for fine tuning actually _contradicts_ your hypothesis. Moreover, the argument does nothing to show life is a desired outcome, it just presumes it. It's the equivalent of rolling a 6 and then concluding there must be a god that wanted that roll. Other than that it's a great argument. 🙄
Perfect way to handle Jackie
Ibrahim, we shouldn't (if we wish to remain rational) start out believing everything until disproven, this would lead to the absurdity of believing in every conceivable claim from the existence of invisible flying cats that talk Spanish to invisible wasps that teach tuna fish how to play the piano in dreamland
54:03 Forrest, though. I'm fan-momming so hard. I want to bake him cookies.
Underquoted scripture at funerals: "He's dead, Jim!" Or maybe I'm reading from the wrong book.
I'll take a reading from this book at my funeral!
I'm convinced that Jacky is high on the autism spectrum. I had previous experience with a young student who, at the age of 10, was extremely well versed in astrophysics. His knowledge and understanding were verified and confirmed by experts. He would talk using all the technical terms of that field. Two sentences into any conversation with this young boy and I was TOTALLY LOST! His mind was WAY OUT THERE!
Predictably as well as VERY SADLY, this boy had NO FRIENDS. He could NOT relate to anyone nor could anyone relate to him.
I believe this is the case with Jacky. Just listen to his speech patterns; he is locked in and absolutely undettered. I don't gamble but I would bet a nickel on this one!
He's a Jordan Peterson fan. So he's definitely a few French fries short of a happy meal.
Dear Ibrahim, I'd rate the arguments against god as:
1. Argument from Divine Hiddenness
2. Argument from Divine Incoherence
3. Argument from the Null Hypothesis
I know Forrest brought this up but the problem of evil definitely belongs on the list
Jackie just a) likes the sound of their own voice and b) just wants to use big words in a complicated way so you can all see he knows big words (but I'm not convinced he understands those words), and c) they just want to show that they listen to someone else, regurgitate it back, so y'all know they listen to someone else. They have no original thoughts and want to sound "clever" but it backfires coz they just sound dumb
Next, are they going to take flouride out of toothpaste?
36:51 I feel that Jackie's problem (specific to this conversation about the fine tuning argument; there are clearly many others) is that he doesn't understand the difference between a hypothetical universe and a possible universe.
Hypothetical is what one can conceive of; possible is what may actually exist. This is an important distinction that those enamored of philosophical argument tend to ignore.
There are infinitely many hypothetical universes, but we have no way of determining whether those universes are possible or not.
He's trying to use modal logic which says if you can imagine something, it exists. It's nonsense.
I never hear anybody talk about the first failure of the teleological argument. It assumes that the result was the goal.
just to say -
Around 10% of the population of the United Kingdom receives fluoridated water, about half a million people receive water that is naturally fluoridated with calcium fluoride, and about 6 million total receive artificially fluoridated water.
love the swag, shipping costs were weird and stupid
Ffs.....stop taking Jackies calls. How many times do you need to explain the problem with what he’s doing, only for him to ignore you when he next calls, before you say enough?
The Jackie Show has run its course, all we're going to get from now on are reruns.
I'm just happy to be getting a break from Patrick on every show every week but yes, I'm kind of over Jackie as well.
Jackie makes me miss the seven day week guy.
What about Ammanuel the Broken?
@scottjohnson7248 Or Hamish
@@scottjohnson7248 Or Otangelo
@@feffiescottage Biblically Speaking. Chuck from Hawaii. Mr. British. Jon from Canada.
@scottjohnson7248 ugghhhh Mr. British 🤮
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Genesis 3:4-5
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die, for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
forrest's phone looks like a pokedex and if that isnt the perfect phone case for a biologist i dont know what is
Funeral passage: “Ol’ Smitey McSmiterface done gone an smote him ‘nuther sumbitch.” (I may be paraphrasing somewhere in Revelation? ;)
I think Jackie may be in the spectrum, guys .
Buybull passage oft not quoted at a funeral “Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.” (Isaiah 3:16-17 KJV)
🤣👍
Read the whole book. It's referring to reducing the wicked people to poverty and disease
@@Atreyu-02 Watch the entire episode, at the beginning they ask for a passage that one would not hear at a funeral. Unless you wish to argue that this passage *would* be read at a funeral, your statement is irrelevant.
So , big rant to Jackie ……..then 50 minutes of pure bile. Got it
Funeral scripture: Rev 3:15 “ . . . I would thou wert cold or hot.”