@@thecrossexaminer6665 he is one of the worst callers lately. I feel a bit bad for him. I'm assuming he might have a disability of some kind. He seems compulsive.
Atheism is a wrong path. Denial of Allah is explained in these channels. You are misleading people from the right path. Allah exists, the creator of the universe is infinitely powerful. The denial of those who deny does not harm Allah. Billions of people believe, pray and worship. Allah answers prayers. Islam calls for truth and cooperation.
I think it's so good of Forrest to continue to keep working with the ACA, despite not getting paid for his appearances. He gets compensation from the other shows that he does. So a lot of respect for him volunteering here.
@@scottjohnson7248 Sure. I didn't mean to imply that he gets nothing out of being on the AXP. But my guess is that there's a pretty big overlap of audiences so that he's not accessing that much more by being on here. Even though the other channel is technically smaller, there's way more live watchers on the other place. But yes. He certainly is getting an indirect compensation by being on. Still, I think it's cool that he's a volunteer host.
It's better to put your faith in Christ rather yourself. Yourself ain't perfect you have weaknesses and flaws you put your faith in yourself your going to set yourself up for failure because as human your heart is filled with lies , confusion , sickness , pride , trickery , betrayal , lust , envy and manipulation so you are not perfect the scripture says it we are all filthy rags in the site of God meaning you can dress up , shower , take medicine , use fragrances , eat ect but without God we're all nothing filled with imperfections while God is pure and perfect.
@@scottjohnson7248 Forrest is passionate about spreading knowledge. If he could suvive on zero income, he'd do it just to help people learn more. It's the educator in him.
If Jackie hasn't learned _anything_ during this particular call, and calls into this show or one of the other channels next week with the same thing, I genuinely believe he'll never learn anything of consequence ever again. Examiner and Forrest schooled him harder than anyone ever has on any of these call-in shows, laid bare Jackie's routine and described in excruciating detail every single step that defines every single pre-determined talking point he's ever pulled out of his arse. It was both a pleasure and a privilege to listen to. If Jackie doesn't drastically change his tune the next time he deigns to get on the blower with the hosts, then I think it's probably too late for him. His "bit" is long overdue for discontinuation and it's too stark bleedin' obvious to anyone watching this show what he's trying (and miserably failing) to do. It's been very entertaining, but if he unironically keeps it up then I'm personally vowing to never waste a single sentence on Jackie ever again, beyond posting "cool substrate bro".
My grandmother grew up with no fluoride in the water and had false teeth by thirty. I brush my teeth once a day and have absolutely no fillings or missing teeth at the age of 45. Thank you fluoride.
I’m an atheist, but I don’t know what the fluoride has to do with atheism. Fluoride has literally crippled me . Antibiotics that use fluoride have severely disabled thousands of people look it up. The acronym is FQAD. Putting fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as putting it in the water of course but it’s still a toxic chemical Years ago, I met a guy from Africa with the whitest, most amazing teeth, almost shining, and I asked him about that because my family has bad teeth to a degree He said in his accent that he used “da chew sticks”. Traditionally people didn’t have toothbrushes they chewed certain branches and licorice trees have antimicrobial and taste nice. They don’t even need to brush. They just eat real food and then sort of used these chew sticks to help their gums and teeth. I noticed if I eat raw carrots, and vegetables, my gums and teeth are much healthier . But I am literally in a wheelchair now because of fluoride and it’s literally toxin. Look it up. I was a lawyer too. That doesn’t mean that all lawyers are correct. At the least, please be careful with antibiotics and ask your doctor about the side effects because I wasn’t warned . Democrats used to protect us from drug companies and manufacturer now they have completely sold out . Just because some Republicans oppose vaccines now all of the sudden Democrats just have a love affair with big Pharma and big chemical. Process foods and sugars came about at the beginning of the 20th century for the most part so your grandmother probably was just eating the diet people eat in America even then There was a famous study with pictures of tribes that showed that as soon as they were introduced to a western diet, their teeth went from beautiful to rotten rather quickly . I don’t know the timeframe maybe it was five or 10 years or 20 but they had the usual western health problems, including bad teeth.
@@joecheffo5942 I am sorry for the bad things you had to experience. The point that you give not any scientific evidence, like the dose of Fluorine in antibiotics(in your case ... don't tell me you do not know) ... which we could easily compare to the LD50 (we can look it up really easily!) and would show that your idea is absolute nonsense ... is rather sad. Maybe you had a bad product? Recalls happen all the time within the food or automobile/etc. industry. But that would not allow you to paint such a generalized picture of fluor and fluorides. With your unqualified stigmatization you are doing great harm to gullible people (I guess you are one of them yourself). Just for clarification: without Fluor ... it's over! You're done! We need such essential trace elements so that our biological body can function properly. I am just addressing your enemy-image here, the one and only "culprit" you spotted (And if an expert in this matter will take a closer look, your story will be ridiculous and show that your perception is distorted and full of half-truths), fluorides. I am not talking about all the other strange connections you weaved in and superficial allusions to completely different subject areas that you are making (up) there. It is remarkable how you managed to squeeze your political views, which no scientist or doctor could care less about when they are tasked with healing you, into this tangle of conspiracies and prime example of not being able to stay on topic. Respect! You have successfully confused yourself and now you want to do the same to others. This is the main reason why we shouldn't believe any people on the Internet without fact checking. Such claims are not even worth the dirt under the fingernails! Medicine has side effects. That's no secret. Maybe you're part of a tiny minority for whom things didn't turn out well. I'm very sorry about that! But not mentioning that and how things work in REALITY, or presenting it as if there were a BIG risk, is just disgraceful compared to the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of other people whose lives this very medicine or therapy has saved, or whose life expectancy has fundamentally improved. I can only recommend that you really speak EXTENSIVELY with your doctor to end your foray into the world of depression and made-up threats once and for all. That's also an illness and is not good for your life. Good luck with your self-reflection, my friend!
Also meanwhile the ENTIRE continent of Europe minus only a couple exemptions do NOT add flouridide because of the dangers of bone issues and neurological issues. You have the FDA/CDC disagreeing with MANY experts in Europe. This is an issue with many top scientists disagreeing. Its not a 99% peer review aggrement here.
@@joecheffo5942 sorry about your condition, but as you point out, fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as in water. As Forrest pointed out, water is a toxin. Your continuous use of that term is bordering on fake news.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 It wasn't too bad. They were able to get Jackie to try to actually answer questions. But it's funny that even for a VERY simple question, he can't respond like a normal person. So there were some questions where his response for even a simple question such as do you like vanilla ice cream, could get a response, "I'm convinced of the proposition that a vanilla ice cream defined as a type of dairy confectionary that exists independent of my taste for any plenary of flavors could be within consideration for consumption."
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Fun car story for you. A mate and myself spent 1:47mins trying to find the strange knocking/tapping noise in the Cruiser 70 twin-cab. The fecking noise turned out to be the bloody seatbelt banging on the back pillar, I always keep the rear seatbelts buckled up and forgot I had undone the thing🤦♀
Jackie said that the probability that the conditions that sustain life would occur is astronomically small. In fact, the probability of them occurring is 100%. And we know that the probability is 100% because Jackie is alive to make his false claim.
It's the worst argument. I've had theists say, "it's like a thousand marksmen..." No. It's not. We've no reason to think physics could differ from what we observe in the single known universe, and given the size of the known universe...life was absolutely inevitable.
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I hadn't seen the AXP livestream for a while, & this was a real treat. Two great hosts & good calls. Even Jackie's call was worth it because he was pinned down in a way that demonstrated his inability to think rationally and that he really doesn't seem to know as much as he thinks he does. I'll be interested to see if he changes his tactics. I really admired how willingly Ibrahim engaged with the hosts.
If he was just a bad listener, a boring thinker, or a bigot, he'd be less aggravating. Even if he were just 2/3 of those. But all 3 are so goddamn exhausting
Only three caller's the whole show is disappointing. I feel like the "we're not on [Jackie's] time" from cross examiner wasn't really true. Jackie monopolized this episode. And was a boring caller
Thank you so much for not letting Jackie do his normal crap. I hope he finally understood after Cross-examiner and Forest eloquently explained it to him.
1:10:51 I went to school to study math and physics, and the one thing that I love about science and that so many people don't get is that the best experiments don't prove things positively, but fail to falsify. We seek things to go against our propositions to avoid creating a biased view. We don't seek to confirm what we think we already know, we test the strength of that knowledge by trying to disprove it.
Forrest: 'Do you believe in a literal, actual, thinking person that you call a god?' Jackie: 'I believe in an ineffable, transcendent unity of being.' Forrest: 'Does this God have a mind?' Jackie: 'I believe the basis of being has awareness of being.' You don't have to be lawyer to see what Jackie is doing.
Aaaah, I missed the first half hour or so when y'all were live, and am just now going back to catch up on what I missed. I'm blushing. It literally made an exhausting day so much better that my answer to the previous atheist experience question got in the top three at all, much less the top slot!
21:11-22:08 Forrest, THANK YOU. I'm interested to know what Jackie (actually Jackie) thinks, but I'm definitely not willing to work THAT HARD to understand it. Jackie, Marketing is a thing.
I understand Jackie might be a fun project for the hosts but they could have taken 3-4 other calls instead of batting him around. IMO maybe start moving him to the back of the queue because we've all heard more than enough of what he has to say at this point.
Festering Apot had flaps like bags on a saddle The same as John Wayne used to straddle And every time Apot did you're in eight Those flaps would wildly oscillate Making a noise like a slappy paddle!
It would take a really bad designer to design a universe that can easily be destroyed if anything changes the slightest bit within it. Any designer who put people on an Earth that has hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc. was a horrible designer. Any designer who made very few places where a human can survive is a poor designer if its goal was to create humans. Any designer who made our bodies able to get easily injured, subject to illnesses, and made us so our breathing tube is next to our eating tube was an incompetent designer.
The issue is if you read the first 2 chapters of genesis it showed how everything was good in the beginning but since people choose there own way as shown in chapter 3, sin corrupted everything and all creation suffers for it. But even though we choose to do evil, God died for us on the cross so thst we won’t have to be punished for our sins. So since Jesus paid our debt, if you believe in Him and not trust in your own character or deeds then you will be saved.
@@First-b1u8j So if Jesus paid the debt, then why are humans still so laughably badly designed? Also, if your god is all knowing and all powerful, then it preordained the fall too. Also really terrible design if god let one two people represent all of future humanity. Especially since he mad those two people ignorant to the thing he's punish them for. Also, god lied in the story, and the serpent told the truth. Why did god have to kill himself, why not just use his all powerfulness to just forgive? Why invent the thing he'd punish people for? Why let sin exist at all? Christianity makes zero sense when you stop to think about it literally at all.
1:18:02 “They will never take my fluoride!” I’m Australian. I was raised in a state with fluoridated water, then I moved to a state that didn’t and my glob my teeth suffered. Fluoride is GOOD!
The only way the fine-tuning argument could make sense is if you give special status to the current state and work backward. You have to assume that we represent some sort of preferred end state. It requires narcissism. In reality for every person that has ever lived (estimated to be 100 billion people total) there are an almost uncountable number of potential people that will never be. Each one of us has beaten seemingly insurmountable odds against our existence. That doesn't mean our existence has any special meaning.
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@@Atreyu-81 Fine tuning? 1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples. 2... We pee through our sex organs. 3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce. 4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans. 5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans. 6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live. 7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you... 8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat.. 9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you... 10.. Many large animals will kill you for food. 11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food... 12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure... 13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you. 14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people.... 15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first... 16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you... 17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that.... 18.. Mental illnesses... 19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual... 20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals... 21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22) 23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body... 24.. Women can die in childbirth. 25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils, tail bones etc... 26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there? 27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade? 28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine... 29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed. 30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe. 34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race.... 35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all... 36.. Why, if this is fine tuned, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us? 37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year. 38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time... 39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us... 40.. Why do humans kill each other. 41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that. 42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most. 43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails... 44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry? 45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle? 46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads. 47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one. 48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva. 49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down. 50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. 51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not. 52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable. 53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us. 54. Why can't animals talk? 55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence? 56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them... 57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was fine tuned for anyone? 58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet? 59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures. 60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within. 61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms. 62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare. 63. Jellyfish are essentially immortal being unable to die of old age. Why aren't we? 64. This entire universe may one day collapse back in on itself to create yet another singularity that may eventually expand into a new universe. 65 Your digestive juices can eat away at your stomach causing ulcers even death... 66. Your tongue can fall into the back of your throat cutting off your air supply and killing you... 67. Regurgitating digestive juices can damage vocal cords and or the lungs... 68. You can have food allergies to common human foods... 69. Parasitic worms can survive in your digestive tract 70. Loons are ducks with feet that cannot support the bird and it cannot walk. It will die within inches of water because it can't get to it. 71. The Sun can give you cancer 72. Magpies injure round 6,000 people a year. 73. Many other creatures have longer lives than us. 74. Our eyesight is so bad we cannot see most of the stars and galaxies in the night sky. 75. The Universe may simply be the way it is, simply because it had to be. 76. Even if the universe somehow turned out to be fine tuned. There is still no connection to a God or gods doing it.
ApotHead was intellectually marooned On an island he thought was "fine tuned" And he flew into a total panic When he realised benzene is organic Because his education was aggressively pruned!
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Jonah 4:8 (NRSVUE): When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, *“It would be better for me to die than to live."*
20:45 "So I'm convinced both of the propositional and existential embodied um phenomenology that um the religious um metaphysical ethic demands" I literally spit my coffee out laughing so hard 🤣🤣. Jackie, cmon bro lol. As a fun little exercise, I typed this into chatgpt, asking it to relay what Jackie is saying in simple terms, and whether or not he actually answered the question they asked. Here's what I got: "They are saying they believe in the meaningful impact of religion on life and human experience. This suggests they believe in some aspects of religion but they are not clearly stating if they believe in God directly." So, Jackie...you didn't answer the question AND you just made Dennet's "belief in belief" idea way more complicated than it needs to be. You're young, I get it. You think this stuff sounds impressive. But what's ACTUALLY impressive is distilling complex ideas into simple and easy to understand language. You did the exact opposite. You took a very simple concept, valuing the idea and benefits of religion, and are attempting to make it sound way more profound and complex. If your argument relies on obfuscation, complexity to mask the core of what you are saying, and obscure "five-dollar-words"...then you are engaged in poor argumentation and communication. Seriously Jackie, I hope as you get older, you learn what REAL good communication sounds like. Because this may be impressive and sound profound to people who already have been tricked into believing or your fellow debate Sunday school teens who are just getting into philosophy, but for people in the real world who want to know the truth... it just makes us feel sorry for you and leaves us confused.
@Byorin it's probably both, as well as his support in dragging lonely, scared young men down the alt-right pipeline so that they can be used by people who see them as nothing more than tools, which isn't resolving the men's mental health crisis we have, but is instead leveraging it and exacerbating it in the process.
@@BennyAscent Ok, thanks for replying. As far as the red pill connection goes, I think it’s true but unintentional and should be examined more. AFAIK, Peterson has constantly advised men and women to improve themselves by conquering whatever is hindering their potential. I believe a lot of young men specifically latch on to that because Peterson is one of the very few modern speakers who doesn’t speak to them as if they are trash that should be discarded. Perhaps there is an alternative positive option, but I’ve yet to see it.
@Byorin if it was 5 or so years ago, I mightve agreed with you. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. He has transitioned from a psychologist who reminded young men to fix themselves before the world, to a benzo-addict who pickets for a political agenda, demonising the other based on nothing more than propaganda ("woke-ists" "liberals" etc). The irony in this transition is staggering to me.
I just finished reading a book about the Bronze Age Collapse. That is a historical term for the time in about 1170 BCE when large imperial civilizations around the eastern Mediterranean that had existed for centuries collapsed within a surprisingly short period and disappeared from history. Every single one of those empires had an internal ethical and, no doubt, religious structure that stabilized the state and its institutions. That's just one example for demonstrating the fallaciousness of that tired old phrase "Judeo-Christian values are the only ones that stabilize civilization". Also: A Forrest Valkay rant!! Great!!
Although I am an European-born Progressive, a SocialDemocrat and in no way I support maggats or RFK, I feel I need to point out something: most European countries do not fluoridate their water. Only three of them add fluoride to drinking water while others consume fluoridated salt, or fluoridated milk or, like in some areas of Italy, they have water with natural fluoride levels that are already optimal. The main reasons for not adding fluoride to drinking water : There is no obvious advantage to water fluoridation over topical application, such as through toothpaste or mouthwash; children can easily exceed the recommended fluoride intake and experience dental fluorosis; fluoride is the only chemical added to drinking water for the purpose of medication, while other chemicals are added to improve water quality and safety. Food for thought.
Except they have data to show that in the US, it's beneficial. You have to realize that in the US, there is no national Healthcare. So getting regular dental checkup where kids can be educated and checked for regular toothbrushing might not occur at the rates in Europe.
This is just ridiculous. Fluoride in water is not only safe, but DEMONSTRABLY BENEFICIAL, not just to teeth directly, but also to the heart. Sure, if children are getting DAILY topical application, then fluoridation doesn't help (much), but it's STILL not harmful! It only time when it becomes a problem is if the water already contains high fluoride levels, in which case, there is no reason to add it, or if they eat their toothpaste regularly (in which case, the toothpaste becomes a problem in its own right).
are there any states the do not add fluoride to their water? if so all you have to do is compare dental health in those states as comparison! this info should be readily available.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 OP seems to be under the impression that if water is fluoridated that along with topical fruoride there's a danger of overdosing on fluoride. It IS possible to get fluorisis (fluoride overdose), but it's extremely rare with a few deaths happening when excess fluoride enters a water system accidentally. But all studies show that as long as standard safety systems are in place, there's absolutely no need to stop fluoridation. the other thing to note is that for a lot of people, they drink less and less of tap water. And most bottled water is not fluoridated.
I'm partial to Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple."
Just three simple questions for those who present the teleological/fine tuning argument for god: 1) How would you explain existing in a universe and discuss god, in a universe that actually does NOT allow for life, and especially human life, to exist? 2) How did you calculate the probability of a god existing in comparison to a life permitting universe existing without a god creating it? 3) Why would an omnipotent god need to fine tune anything when it actually could put humans/humanity into any, even the most hostile environment, and still make us thrive despite of it?
Seriously Jackie needs to get a life instead of focusing on this stuff 24/7. None of this is productive besides me laughing at Jackie thinking his word salad is convincing anyone of anything.
Forest talked about a random word generator with a search engine website. I cannot find a similar thing online and when I rewind this video I can’t find that section. Anyone know the website? Thanks
That would be - The Library of Babel - , It's not so much a random word generator, but every possible permutation of the English alphabet and some punctuation.
In the call with George, it's been proven that self-awareness comes from structures in the brain. Some corvid (bird) species have self-awareness due to possessing certain brain structures too
If there weren't so few theist calls these days they would have banned Jackie long ago. He has the lack of self-awareness of Ammanuel and the arrogance of Darth Dawkins in one pathetic package.
I love that they spent the first hour explaining the same thing over and over again. I think next time that Jackie calls they should talk to him a little longer.
Jackie's weekly essay got an F as usual cause he couldn't justify his thoughts and projections. He really proves weekly that he has little ability to converse with people. The hosts did a great job holding his feet to the fire trying to force him to just listen and have a conversation. He really just wants to regurgitate stuff he heard or read from people within his bubble. I get irritated by his attempts to speak so quickly and say nothing, but I feel sorry for him at the same time. I wonder if anyone in his life has tried to do what every host on every show has done, make him think.
The evidence provided by his calls suggest that it's worse than just no noone in his life encouraging him to actually think. It seems to me his people are actively discouraging him thinking for himself.
Jackie knocking on a neighbor's door. Excuse me sir or Madam but would you happen to have a few moments to discuss our lord and Savior Jordan Peterson?
I'm glad I checked you guys out. I quit watching AXP until I saw Cross Examiner and Forrest were both hosting. THEN JACKIE CAME ON. I thought--here we friggin' go again with his nonsense. AND THEN? The hosts did their job and called him on the carpet for his crap. Thanks guys. Perhaps Jackie is done for on these shows.
Is there any way to start a Oklahoma atheist organization cause with all that is happening here or the high possibility Ryan could fuck this up. How can I start a organization to stop this from happening. I live in Oklahoma and this state is in real trouble.
Anyone else think of that scene in Avengers Age of Ultron where Iron Mna just pounds The hulk into the pavement over and over and over again when Forrest was going off at Jackie?
@@lulolie Unflavoured? He bring many bottles of concentrated piss and BS. Those stinks like hell and belivers are the only ones so nasty they are able tò drink It.
This Jackie call was actually productive. Forrest and The Crossexaminer actually managed to scratch the surface and got to something. And to the people giving him all kind of shit in the comments and chat, i get it. But at the end of the day his worst crime (that we know of) is being annoying and parrot other people's talking points. Imagine how awesome it would be if he could change is worldview and there was a welcoming community waiting for him at the other side.
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: John 11:36 (NIV): “But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
He's either lying that he actually believes in god, or he's lying that god is just this "basis" for human behavior. He doesn't want to touch the former with a 49 and a half foot pole.
Says the ones being sacrificed by the devil to Tartarus. The soulless can't see God so the devil controls them. No power no authority no rights no voices. No God you don't need money with ON GOD WE TRUST written on it. You tiny little humans can't create a planet DNA seed the ocean. You can't create the moon and sun. You can alter it but that needs the permission of every tribe high counsel and golden dragon counsel. Swamp. King LEVITICUS is here. So is Mr Fenner. For those playing the game.
When I go to church, I remember parts of my life. I listen to familiar music. I feel good. I love the stories that some powerful being is watching out for me. I wrap myself in feeling good with good friends. But when I leave, I’m my regular old atheist self, that came about at 5 years of age, when my older brother laughed at me for believing in Santa. After that, I realized, the whole nonsense is to help people feel better. It works, ha
To Jackie, no, the dominant perspective among cosmologists isn't that what we're experiencing is the one and only iteration of the universe. We experience a limited part of the one iteration of the universe our local big bang inflated that's defined by how far light has traveled since the big bang. Only within this limited volume of space there are countless galaxies containing countless stars with countless planets. Outside of this is a volume that we can't causally access containing even more galaxies. But the kicker is that most modern cosmology points to a reality where big bangs happen continously, causing an infinite number of universes to come into causal existence. In such a scenario, there are an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of cosmological constants and what this means is that with mathematical certainty, not only will one of them have the right conditions for life, there is an infinite number of universes that have them. The other way to view this is that we can only observe our locally observable universe and that universe has the conditions required for life to come into existence. But the thing is that from the universes that we can observe, 100% have those conditions and you have no way to tell that there can be a universe that is any other way. It should also be noted that most of the universe is the antithesis to life. It's not at all fine tuned for life, if it were there would be life everywhere. The suggestion that some God created this massive lethal universe so huge that we can't fathom just to put us on a speck of dust somewhere in it for a blink of an eye of time. It's an insane propositions on its face.
Underquoted scripture at funerals: If it's any of my employees: "The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work."
36:51 I feel that Jackie's problem (specific to this conversation about the fine tuning argument; there are clearly many others) is that he doesn't understand the difference between a hypothetical universe and a possible universe. Hypothetical is what one can conceive of; possible is what may actually exist. This is an important distinction that those enamored of philosophical argument tend to ignore. There are infinitely many hypothetical universes, but we have no way of determining whether those universes are possible or not.
Dear Ibrahim, I'd rate the arguments against god as: 1. Argument from Divine Hiddenness 2. Argument from Divine Incoherence 3. Argument from the Null Hypothesis
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Genesis 3:4-5 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die, for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Please do more shows with these 2 hosting again. Both are logical and concise.
That was easily the best handling of a Jackie call on any show.
Thanks. We wanted to see if we could break through. He had moments of clarity, but I doubt I will take any more calls from him.
A small bit of compassion, a small bit of curiosity; a refreshing change.
@@thecrossexaminer6665 he is one of the worst callers lately. I feel a bit bad for him. I'm assuming he might have a disability of some kind. He seems compulsive.
Atheism is a wrong path. Denial of Allah is explained in these channels. You are misleading people from the right path. Allah exists, the creator of the universe is infinitely powerful. The denial of those who deny does not harm Allah. Billions of people believe, pray and worship. Allah answers prayers. Islam calls for truth and cooperation.
Thank you (hosts) for channeling my feelings about Jackie.
Most welcome!
I think it's so good of Forrest to continue to keep working with the ACA, despite not getting paid for his appearances. He gets compensation from the other shows that he does. So a lot of respect for him volunteering here.
He knows how to build his brand. Ubiquity is his chosen strategy.
@@scottjohnson7248 Sure. I didn't mean to imply that he gets nothing out of being on the AXP. But my guess is that there's a pretty big overlap of audiences so that he's not accessing that much more by being on here. Even though the other channel is technically smaller, there's way more live watchers on the other place.
But yes. He certainly is getting an indirect compensation by being on. Still, I think it's cool that he's a volunteer host.
It's better to put your faith in Christ rather yourself. Yourself ain't perfect you have weaknesses and flaws you put your faith in yourself your going to set yourself up for failure because as human your heart is filled with lies , confusion , sickness , pride , trickery , betrayal , lust , envy and manipulation so you are not perfect the scripture says it we are all filthy rags in the site of God meaning you can dress up , shower , take medicine , use fragrances , eat ect but without God we're all nothing filled with imperfections while God is pure and perfect.
@@scottjohnson7248 Forrest is passionate about spreading knowledge. If he could suvive on zero income, he'd do it just to help people learn more. It's the educator in him.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs I appreciate it as a new atheist and. Nurse!!!?👩⚕️
If Jackie hasn't learned _anything_ during this particular call, and calls into this show or one of the other channels next week with the same thing, I genuinely believe he'll never learn anything of consequence ever again. Examiner and Forrest schooled him harder than anyone ever has on any of these call-in shows, laid bare Jackie's routine and described in excruciating detail every single step that defines every single pre-determined talking point he's ever pulled out of his arse. It was both a pleasure and a privilege to listen to. If Jackie doesn't drastically change his tune the next time he deigns to get on the blower with the hosts, then I think it's probably too late for him. His "bit" is long overdue for discontinuation and it's too stark bleedin' obvious to anyone watching this show what he's trying (and miserably failing) to do. It's been very entertaining, but if he unironically keeps it up then I'm personally vowing to never waste a single sentence on Jackie ever again, beyond posting "cool substrate bro".
I think it depends (at least a little) on whether he’s as young as he sounds. If he’s is 15 or 16 like he sounds, then there’s hope… 🤪😂
@@jonnowds I suppose that's fair. All the mickey-taking aside, I really hope Jackie finds a way out of this Petersonian brainrot.
@@freakishuproar1168 💯
My grandmother grew up with no fluoride in the water and had false teeth by thirty.
I brush my teeth once a day and have absolutely no fillings or missing teeth at the age of 45.
Thank you fluoride.
I’m an atheist, but I don’t know what the fluoride has to do with atheism.
Fluoride has literally crippled me . Antibiotics that use fluoride have severely disabled thousands of people look it up. The acronym is FQAD.
Putting fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as putting it in the water of course but it’s still a toxic chemical
Years ago, I met a guy from Africa with the whitest, most amazing teeth, almost shining, and I asked him about that because my family has bad teeth to a degree
He said in his accent that he used “da chew sticks”. Traditionally people didn’t have toothbrushes they chewed certain branches and licorice trees have antimicrobial and taste nice.
They don’t even need to brush. They just eat real food and then sort of used these chew sticks to help their gums and teeth.
I noticed if I eat raw carrots, and vegetables, my gums and teeth are much healthier .
But I am literally in a wheelchair now because of fluoride and it’s literally toxin. Look it up. I was a lawyer too. That doesn’t mean that all lawyers are correct.
At the least, please be careful with antibiotics and ask your doctor about the side effects because I wasn’t warned .
Democrats used to protect us from drug companies and manufacturer now they have completely sold out . Just because some Republicans oppose vaccines now all of the sudden Democrats just have a love affair with big Pharma and big chemical.
Process foods and sugars came about at the beginning of the 20th century for the most part so your grandmother probably was just eating the diet people eat in America even then
There was a famous study with pictures of tribes that showed that as soon as they were introduced to a western diet, their teeth went from beautiful to rotten rather quickly . I don’t know the timeframe maybe it was five or 10 years or 20 but they had the usual western health problems, including bad teeth.
@@joecheffo5942 I am sorry for the bad things you had to experience.
The point that you give not any scientific evidence, like the dose of Fluorine in antibiotics(in your case ... don't tell me you do not know) ... which we could easily compare to the LD50 (we can look it up really easily!) and would show that your idea is absolute nonsense ... is rather sad. Maybe you had a bad product? Recalls happen all the time within the food or automobile/etc. industry. But that would not allow you to paint such a generalized picture of fluor and fluorides. With your unqualified stigmatization you are doing great harm to gullible people (I guess you are one of them yourself). Just for clarification: without Fluor ... it's over! You're done! We need such essential trace elements so that our biological body can function properly.
I am just addressing your enemy-image here, the one and only "culprit" you spotted (And if an expert in this matter will take a closer look, your story will be ridiculous and show that your perception is distorted and full of half-truths), fluorides. I am not talking about all the other strange connections you weaved in and superficial allusions to completely different subject areas that you are making (up) there.
It is remarkable how you managed to squeeze your political views, which no scientist or doctor could care less about when they are tasked with healing you, into this tangle of conspiracies and prime example of not being able to stay on topic. Respect!
You have successfully confused yourself and now you want to do the same to others. This is the main reason why we shouldn't believe any people on the Internet without fact checking. Such claims are not even worth the dirt under the fingernails!
Medicine has side effects. That's no secret. Maybe you're part of a tiny minority for whom things didn't turn out well. I'm very sorry about that! But not mentioning that and how things work in REALITY, or presenting it as if there were a BIG risk, is just disgraceful compared to the MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of other people whose lives this very medicine or therapy has saved, or whose life expectancy has fundamentally improved.
I can only recommend that you really speak EXTENSIVELY with your doctor to end your foray into the world of depression and made-up threats once and for all. That's also an illness and is not good for your life. Good luck with your self-reflection, my friend!
Also meanwhile the ENTIRE continent of Europe minus only a couple exemptions do NOT add flouridide because of the dangers of bone issues and neurological issues. You have the FDA/CDC disagreeing with MANY experts in Europe. This is an issue with many top scientists disagreeing. Its not a 99% peer review aggrement here.
You don't need fluoride in water, you just need a better diet and take care of your teeth better.
@@joecheffo5942 sorry about your condition, but as you point out, fluoride in antibiotics is not the same as in water.
As Forrest pointed out, water is a toxin. Your continuous use of that term is bordering on fake news.
Forrest : is this from you or someone else?
Jackie : I don't like your dichotomy
Great start
The hosts did a great job an wrangling Jackie. I think it made the call a LOT better that a couple of othe Jackie calls ive heard.
Olympic lymbo levels of low bar right there.
I always skip the Jackie calls. I'm guessing that I didn't miss anything on this one?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 It wasn't too bad. They were able to get Jackie to try to actually answer questions. But it's funny that even for a VERY simple question, he can't respond like a normal person.
So there were some questions where his response for even a simple question such as do you like vanilla ice cream, could get a response, "I'm convinced of the proposition that a vanilla ice cream defined as a type of dairy confectionary that exists independent of my taste for any plenary of flavors could be within consideration for consumption."
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs I, too, prefer vanilla ice cream, but only if it is served with loads of chilli garlic pickle.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 Fun car story for you. A mate and myself spent 1:47mins trying to find the strange knocking/tapping noise in the Cruiser 70 twin-cab.
The fecking noise turned out to be the bloody seatbelt banging on the back pillar, I always keep the rear seatbelts buckled up and forgot I had undone the thing🤦♀
The intro is spot on and throughout the day I will be watching segments of this show
Jackie said that the probability that the conditions that sustain life would occur is astronomically small. In fact, the probability of them occurring is 100%. And we know that the probability is 100% because Jackie is alive to make his false claim.
It's the worst argument. I've had theists say, "it's like a thousand marksmen..."
No. It's not. We've no reason to think physics could differ from what we observe in the single known universe, and given the size of the known universe...life was absolutely inevitable.
Dr Ben best sumed up Jackie when he said you dont sound as smart as you think you just sound like a tool
summed up😊
@@PhysiKarlz egg 🥚 sactly!!
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Yes 🥳 I got a full Jackie bingo card 🥳
Well, to be fair, everyone should have a blackout by the time the call was done.
@@scottjohnson7248 Well, he did refuse to say "substrate".
Jackie's quite a wet blanket and could not even play along.
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs "substrate" was on my Jackie bingo card for his call to Talk Heathen.
That was the best handling of Jackie. Ever. In the history of humanity.
I hadn't seen the AXP livestream for a while, & this was a real treat. Two great hosts & good calls. Even Jackie's call was worth it because he was pinned down in a way that demonstrated his inability to think rationally and that he really doesn't seem to know as much as he thinks he does. I'll be interested to see if he changes his tactics. I really admired how willingly Ibrahim engaged with the hosts.
Thanks so much!
I’m so sick of Jackie 🤮😤
He called back?? 😒
If he was just a bad listener, a boring thinker, or a bigot, he'd be less aggravating. Even if he were just 2/3 of those. But all 3 are so goddamn exhausting
Not me, I love hearing him get the proverbial smackdown.
Only three caller's the whole show is disappointing. I feel like the "we're not on [Jackie's] time" from cross examiner wasn't really true. Jackie monopolized this episode. And was a boring caller
Can you please ban Jackie?
Thank you so much for not letting Jackie do his normal crap. I hope he finally understood after Cross-examiner and Forest eloquently explained it to him.
Thanks!
Jackie uses many (MANY) words.
"Yes" and "No" do not apoear to be among them.
He’s successfully emulated Jordan Peterson. That’s not a compliment.
Jackie is so performative, he also thinks he is more special and intelligent than he actually is. Bless (ironically). x
Forrest Valkai ❤❤❤
Sensational show as always AXP 🥰
Keep up the great work 💪
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
Jackie seems terrified of talking off-script. I'd pray for Jackie if I believed prayer did anything
The scripting is so obvious when you hear him stumbling over the words he is clearly reading.
@@elecbass100 have you tried thoughts and prayers? Hehe
1:10:51 I went to school to study math and physics, and the one thing that I love about science and that so many people don't get is that the best experiments don't prove things positively, but fail to falsify. We seek things to go against our propositions to avoid creating a biased view. We don't seek to confirm what we think we already know, we test the strength of that knowledge by trying to disprove it.
Great show guys! Cross Examiner fuckin rocks! This guy is smart, respectful, and explains his thoughts very well. 👍 Forest is of course awesome too.
Forrest: 'Do you believe in a literal, actual, thinking person that you call a god?'
Jackie: 'I believe in an ineffable, transcendent unity of being.'
Forrest: 'Does this God have a mind?'
Jackie: 'I believe the basis of being has awareness of being.'
You don't have to be lawyer to see what Jackie is doing.
Was scrolling through comments and read this at the exact time I heard this exchange lol
Forrest, thanks for being awesome man!
George is right, it IS tricky… to rock a rhyme… that’s right on time… it’s tricky 🤷♂️🤣
Limit jackie calls to 10-15min. He doesn't deserve the time over others
They keep him long on AXP and on TH because they don't have many callers...This episode would have been really short without Jackie...
I prefer if his calls were limited to 10-15 seconds, at most
@nietzschescodes that's fine, just make it podcast kinda oriented and listen to the hosts talk. OR get on the athiest callers
He calls every show every week and absolutely nothing productive to show for any of it.
Ban him!
Aaaah, I missed the first half hour or so when y'all were live, and am just now going back to catch up on what I missed. I'm blushing. It literally made an exhausting day so much better that my answer to the previous atheist experience question got in the top three at all, much less the top slot!
Go Forrest! Holding Jackie's feet to the fire.
Y’all make such a good team
21:11-22:08 Forrest, THANK YOU. I'm interested to know what Jackie (actually Jackie) thinks, but I'm definitely not willing to work THAT HARD to understand it.
Jackie, Marketing is a thing.
Jackie belongs to the "religion" called Noahide, once you know what that is Jackie's calls are going to make you 🤣
I understand Jackie might be a fun project for the hosts but they could have taken 3-4 other calls instead of batting him around. IMO maybe start moving him to the back of the queue because we've all heard more than enough of what he has to say at this point.
I searched "forrrest valkai is a big old buttface," but I added "with amazing hair" and there is also entries for that, 4 matches 😂
Search Forrest prolapsed meat wheel rubbed off hole hair
Festering Apot had flaps like bags on a saddle
The same as John Wayne used to straddle
And every time Apot did you're in eight
Those flaps would wildly oscillate
Making a noise like a slappy paddle!
What's the project/website? I haven't been able to find where Forrest mentioned it. Thx
Perfect way to handle Jackie
It would take a really bad designer to design a universe that can easily be destroyed if anything changes the slightest bit within it. Any designer who put people on an Earth that has hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes, tsunamis, etc. was a horrible designer. Any designer who made very few places where a human can survive is a poor designer if its goal was to create humans. Any designer who made our bodies able to get easily injured, subject to illnesses, and made us so our breathing tube is next to our eating tube was an incompetent designer.
Let's not forget putting the pleasure park so close to the sewerage, although some can find pleasure in both
The issue is if you read the first 2 chapters of genesis it showed how everything was good in the beginning but since people choose there own way as shown in chapter 3, sin corrupted everything and all creation suffers for it. But even though we choose to do evil, God died for us on the cross so thst we won’t have to be punished for our sins. So since Jesus paid our debt, if you believe in Him and not trust in your own character or deeds then you will be saved.
@@First-b1u8j So if Jesus paid the debt, then why are humans still so laughably badly designed? Also, if your god is all knowing and all powerful, then it preordained the fall too. Also really terrible design if god let one two people represent all of future humanity. Especially since he mad those two people ignorant to the thing he's punish them for. Also, god lied in the story, and the serpent told the truth. Why did god have to kill himself, why not just use his all powerfulness to just forgive? Why invent the thing he'd punish people for? Why let sin exist at all?
Christianity makes zero sense when you stop to think about it literally at all.
I wasn't expecting character development from Jackie...good for them
We finally got moments of honesty from him. IIRC, he answered a yes/no question with a yes or a no, for once!
@thecrossexaminer6665 but the proposition of yes or no creates a false dichotomy in a metaphysical substrate in a transcendental archetype
So Jackie doesn't care if his beliefs match reality or not. He just thinks religion is good.
@ReiperX exactly like Jordan Peterson. You'll never get him to say a god exists but he'll extol the virtues of "Judeo Christian values".
I was ready for a few more"substrate"bong hits on Jackie's call!😂
Last time I played the Jackie substrate game,I got pretty baked!
Great show in spite of Jackie. Thank you so much Forrest and Graham!
Thanks so much!
1:18:02 “They will never take my fluoride!” I’m Australian. I was raised in a state with fluoridated water, then I moved to a state that didn’t and my glob my teeth suffered. Fluoride is GOOD!
I wish I could get a transcript of Forrest’s critique of Jackie and Jordan Peterson at around 26 minutes.
If you look in the Shows notes, at the bottom of that page there is an option to Show Transcript.
Hope that helps🍻
I LOVE you guys so much! More I listen to you all, more I feel that I am not alone on this planet.
Thanks so much!
The only way the fine-tuning argument could make sense is if you give special status to the current state and work backward. You have to assume that we represent some sort of preferred end state. It requires narcissism.
In reality for every person that has ever lived (estimated to be 100 billion people total) there are an almost uncountable number of potential people that will never be. Each one of us has beaten seemingly insurmountable odds against our existence. That doesn't mean our existence has any special meaning.
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Fine tuning?
1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples.
2... We pee through our sex organs.
3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce.
4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans.
5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans.
6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live.
7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you...
8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat..
9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you...
10.. Many large animals will kill you for food.
11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food...
12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure...
13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you.
14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people....
15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first...
16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you...
17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that....
18.. Mental illnesses...
19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual...
20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals...
21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22)
23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body...
24.. Women can die in childbirth.
25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils, tail bones etc...
26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there?
27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade?
28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine...
29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed.
30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe.
34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race....
35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all...
36.. Why, if this is fine tuned, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us?
37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year.
38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time...
39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us...
40.. Why do humans kill each other.
41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that.
42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most.
43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails...
44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry?
45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle?
46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads.
47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one.
48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva.
49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down.
50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth.
51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not.
52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable.
53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us.
54. Why can't animals talk?
55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence?
56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them...
57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was fine tuned for anyone?
58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet?
59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures.
60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within.
61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms.
62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare.
63. Jellyfish are essentially immortal being unable to die of old age. Why aren't we?
64. This entire universe may one day collapse back in on itself to create yet another singularity that may eventually expand into a new universe.
65 Your digestive juices can eat away at your stomach causing ulcers even death...
66. Your tongue can fall into the back of your throat cutting off your air supply and killing you...
67. Regurgitating digestive juices can damage vocal cords and or the lungs...
68. You can have food allergies to common human foods...
69. Parasitic worms can survive in your digestive tract
70. Loons are ducks with feet that cannot support the bird and it cannot walk. It will die within inches of water because it can't get to it.
71. The Sun can give you cancer
72. Magpies injure round 6,000 people a year.
73. Many other creatures have longer lives than us.
74. Our eyesight is so bad we cannot see most of the stars and galaxies in the night sky.
75. The Universe may simply be the way it is, simply because it had to be.
76. Even if the universe somehow turned out to be fine tuned. There is still no connection to a God or gods doing it.
@Atreyu-81 Non sequitur
@@Atreyu-81 Come on, Apot. Tell us about the existence of carbon atoms in your FanFic Fine Tuned universe!
I dare you!
LMFAO
ApotHead was intellectually marooned
On an island he thought was "fine tuned"
And he flew into a total panic
When he realised benzene is organic
Because his education was aggressively pruned!
Love listening to Forrest speak truth.
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Jonah 4:8 (NRSVUE):
When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, *“It would be better for me to die than to live."*
God could have provided an umbrella and a beer or thrice(after some water ofc)
You gentlemen nailed Jackie! Thank you.
Thank You ill be using the LD 50 for now on.
20:45 "So I'm convinced both of the propositional and existential embodied um phenomenology that um the religious um metaphysical ethic demands"
I literally spit my coffee out laughing so hard 🤣🤣. Jackie, cmon bro lol.
As a fun little exercise, I typed this into chatgpt, asking it to relay what Jackie is saying in simple terms, and whether or not he actually answered the question they asked. Here's what I got:
"They are saying they believe in the meaningful impact of religion on life and human experience. This suggests they believe in some aspects of religion but they are not clearly stating if they believe in God directly."
So, Jackie...you didn't answer the question AND you just made Dennet's "belief in belief" idea way more complicated than it needs to be. You're young, I get it. You think this stuff sounds impressive. But what's ACTUALLY impressive is distilling complex ideas into simple and easy to understand language. You did the exact opposite. You took a very simple concept, valuing the idea and benefits of religion, and are attempting to make it sound way more profound and complex. If your argument relies on obfuscation, complexity to mask the core of what you are saying, and obscure "five-dollar-words"...then you are engaged in poor argumentation and communication.
Seriously Jackie, I hope as you get older, you learn what REAL good communication sounds like. Because this may be impressive and sound profound to people who already have been tricked into believing or your fellow debate Sunday school teens who are just getting into philosophy, but for people in the real world who want to know the truth... it just makes us feel sorry for you and leaves us confused.
Jackie is a huge Jordan Peterson fan.
I thought Jordan Peterson was the huge Jordan Peterson fan.
I noticed a lot of Axp hosts and viewers loathe Peterson, but I’m not sure exactly why.
Is it the trans thing or his bible rants?
@Byorin it's probably both, as well as his support in dragging lonely, scared young men down the alt-right pipeline so that they can be used by people who see them as nothing more than tools, which isn't resolving the men's mental health crisis we have, but is instead leveraging it and exacerbating it in the process.
@@BennyAscent Ok, thanks for replying.
As far as the red pill connection goes, I think it’s true but unintentional and should be examined more. AFAIK, Peterson has constantly advised men and women to improve themselves by conquering whatever is hindering their potential. I believe a lot of young men specifically latch on to that because Peterson is one of the very few modern speakers who doesn’t speak to them as if they are trash that should be discarded. Perhaps there is an alternative positive option, but I’ve yet to see it.
@Byorin if it was 5 or so years ago, I mightve agreed with you. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. He has transitioned from a psychologist who reminded young men to fix themselves before the world, to a benzo-addict who pickets for a political agenda, demonising the other based on nothing more than propaganda ("woke-ists" "liberals" etc). The irony in this transition is staggering to me.
I just finished reading a book about the Bronze Age Collapse. That is a historical term for the time in about 1170 BCE when large imperial civilizations around the eastern Mediterranean that had existed for centuries collapsed within a surprisingly short period and disappeared from history. Every single one of those empires had an internal ethical and, no doubt, religious structure that stabilized the state and its institutions. That's just one example for demonstrating the fallaciousness of that tired old phrase "Judeo-Christian values are the only ones that stabilize civilization".
Also: A Forrest Valkay rant!! Great!!
I think the words "yes" and "no" are not in Jackie's vocabulary.
Although I am an European-born Progressive, a SocialDemocrat and in no way I support maggats or RFK, I feel I need to point out something: most European countries do not fluoridate their water. Only three of them add fluoride to drinking water while others consume fluoridated salt, or fluoridated milk or, like in some areas of Italy, they have water with natural fluoride levels that are already optimal. The main reasons for not adding fluoride to drinking water : There is no obvious advantage to water fluoridation over topical application, such as through toothpaste or mouthwash; children can easily exceed the recommended fluoride intake and experience dental fluorosis; fluoride is the only chemical added to drinking water for the purpose of medication, while other chemicals are added to improve water quality and safety. Food for thought.
Except they have data to show that in the US, it's beneficial.
You have to realize that in the US, there is no national Healthcare. So getting regular dental checkup where kids can be educated and checked for regular toothbrushing might not occur at the rates in Europe.
This is just ridiculous. Fluoride in water is not only safe, but DEMONSTRABLY BENEFICIAL, not just to teeth directly, but also to the heart.
Sure, if children are getting DAILY topical application, then fluoridation doesn't help (much), but it's STILL not harmful! It only time when it becomes a problem is if the water already contains high fluoride levels, in which case, there is no reason to add it, or if they eat their toothpaste regularly (in which case, the toothpaste becomes a problem in its own right).
are there any states the do not add fluoride to their water?
if so all you have to do is compare dental health in those states as comparison!
this info should be readily available.
@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 OP seems to be under the impression that if water is fluoridated that along with topical fruoride there's a danger of overdosing on fluoride.
It IS possible to get fluorisis (fluoride overdose), but it's extremely rare with a few deaths happening when excess fluoride enters a water system accidentally. But all studies show that as long as standard safety systems are in place, there's absolutely no need to stop fluoridation.
the other thing to note is that for a lot of people, they drink less and less of tap water. And most bottled water is not fluoridated.
@@etaylor8028 It would be good if America could actually make healthcare affordable to everyone.
I never hear anybody talk about the first failure of the teleological argument. It assumes that the result was the goal.
I'm partial to Luke 14:26
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple."
wow, that intro was nuts
George reminds me of that quote from Jaden Smith from years ago "How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real".
Just three simple questions for those who present the teleological/fine tuning argument for god:
1) How would you explain existing in a universe and discuss god, in a universe that actually does NOT allow for life, and especially human life, to exist?
2) How did you calculate the probability of a god existing in comparison to a life permitting universe existing without a god creating it?
3) Why would an omnipotent god need to fine tune anything when it actually could put humans/humanity into any, even the most hostile environment, and still make us thrive despite of it?
Seriously Jackie needs to get a life instead of focusing on this stuff 24/7. None of this is productive besides me laughing at Jackie thinking his word salad is convincing anyone of anything.
Damn I wish I was just half as intelligent as Forrest Valkai. I am so jealous of that intellect. I have to start reading more books!
Forest talked about a random word generator with a search engine website. I cannot find a similar thing online and when I rewind this video I can’t find that section. Anyone know the website? Thanks
That would be - The Library of Babel - , It's not so much a random word generator, but every possible permutation of the English alphabet and some punctuation.
What a fantastic host duo!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love how Jackie goes right into his script, wasn’t even listening to Forrest right off the bat
-You're a biologist? Name every animal!
- Euhh... ok! You're a lawyer? Name every law!
Lolll
Awesome!
In the call with George, it's been proven that self-awareness comes from structures in the brain. Some corvid (bird) species have self-awareness due to possessing certain brain structures too
Naild it Forrest
Ibrahim was a great caller. Disagree to death with him, but that call was productive. Great job guys. 👏
If there weren't so few theist calls these days they would have banned Jackie long ago. He has the lack of self-awareness of Ammanuel and the arrogance of Darth Dawkins in one pathetic package.
That was the best way I’ve ever seen anyone handle Jackie and his bullshit. Hopefully it’ll put him off calling again…
Don't count on it
The basis for Jackie's belief boils down to Horton Hears a Eho.
I love that they spent the first hour explaining the same thing over and over again. I think next time that Jackie calls they should talk to him a little longer.
Jackie's weekly essay got an F as usual cause he couldn't justify his thoughts and projections. He really proves weekly that he has little ability to converse with people. The hosts did a great job holding his feet to the fire trying to force him to just listen and have a conversation. He really just wants to regurgitate stuff he heard or read from people within his bubble. I get irritated by his attempts to speak so quickly and say nothing, but I feel sorry for him at the same time. I wonder if anyone in his life has tried to do what every host on every show has done, make him think.
The evidence provided by his calls suggest that it's worse than just no noone in his life encouraging him to actually think. It seems to me his people are actively discouraging him thinking for himself.
Jackie "I want to be taken seriously"; Also Jackie "I cant tell you if Santa Claus is real"
Jackie knocking on a neighbor's door.
Excuse me sir or Madam but would you happen to have a few moments to discuss our lord and Savior Jordan Peterson?
Funeral passage: “And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him.” Genesis 38:10
I'm glad I checked you guys out. I quit watching AXP until I saw Cross Examiner and Forrest were both hosting. THEN JACKIE CAME ON. I thought--here we friggin' go again with his nonsense. AND THEN? The hosts did their job and called him on the carpet for his crap. Thanks guys. Perhaps Jackie is done for on these shows.
i for one appreciate the jackie dunking
Is there any way to start a Oklahoma atheist organization cause with all that is happening here or the high possibility Ryan could fuck this up. How can I start a organization to stop this from happening. I live in Oklahoma and this state is in real trouble.
Anyone else think of that scene in Avengers Age of Ultron where Iron Mna just pounds The hulk into the pavement over and over and over again when Forrest was going off at Jackie?
Jackie's the guy who brings generic shit lager to the party and then drinks everyone else's premium ales. I reject his existence.
He brings unflavored energy drinks
@@lulolie Unflavoured? He bring many bottles of concentrated piss and BS. Those stinks like hell and belivers are the only ones so nasty they are able tò drink It.
Funeral passage: “And the Lord smote him in his bowels And it came to pass, his bowels fell out so he died of sore diseases.” 2 Chron 21:18,19
Once I got it in my head that George was actually Nandor, I couldn't let it go.
Nothing makes me skip to the next caller like Jackie does lol
This Jackie call was actually productive. Forrest and The Crossexaminer actually managed to scratch the surface and got to something.
And to the people giving him all kind of shit in the comments and chat, i get it. But at the end of the day his worst crime (that we know of) is being annoying and parrot other people's talking points.
Imagine how awesome it would be if he could change is worldview and there was a welcoming community waiting for him at the other side.
Well put, as annoying as he is he is showing signs of progress however slow it may or may not be
The problem is, this is Like his 30th call.
And Forrest himself has had these "monologues" with him about 3 times.
He's not changing.
When jackie said 'i heard...' he broke the rules...
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: John 11:36 (NIV):
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
So Jackie straight up lied before about his beliefs when he attempted to define his god.
He's so dishonest.
He's either lying that he actually believes in god, or he's lying that god is just this "basis" for human behavior. He doesn't want to touch the former with a 49 and a half foot pole.
God believers just talk to themselves and call it god.
...that's why they call in to talk about him, not god calling in to talk about them.
Says the ones being sacrificed by the devil to Tartarus. The soulless can't see God so the devil controls them. No power no authority no rights no voices. No God you don't need money with ON GOD WE TRUST written on it. You tiny little humans can't create a planet DNA seed the ocean. You can't create the moon and sun. You can alter it but that needs the permission of every tribe high counsel and golden dragon counsel. Swamp. King LEVITICUS is here. So is Mr Fenner. For those playing the game.
Can someone point me to the website Forrest was talking about when it came to a million monkeys typing at a million type writers?
personaly , I believe in atheism.
When I go to church, I remember parts of my life. I listen to familiar music. I feel good. I love the stories that some powerful being is watching out for me. I wrap myself in feeling good with good friends. But when I leave, I’m my regular old atheist self, that came about at 5 years of age, when my older brother laughed at me for believing in Santa. After that, I realized, the whole nonsense is to help people feel better. It works, ha
it works as well as any other placebo
@ yes ha
To Jackie, no, the dominant perspective among cosmologists isn't that what we're experiencing is the one and only iteration of the universe. We experience a limited part of the one iteration of the universe our local big bang inflated that's defined by how far light has traveled since the big bang. Only within this limited volume of space there are countless galaxies containing countless stars with countless planets. Outside of this is a volume that we can't causally access containing even more galaxies. But the kicker is that most modern cosmology points to a reality where big bangs happen continously, causing an infinite number of universes to come into causal existence. In such a scenario, there are an infinite number of universes with an infinite number of cosmological constants and what this means is that with mathematical certainty, not only will one of them have the right conditions for life, there is an infinite number of universes that have them.
The other way to view this is that we can only observe our locally observable universe and that universe has the conditions required for life to come into existence. But the thing is that from the universes that we can observe, 100% have those conditions and you have no way to tell that there can be a universe that is any other way. It should also be noted that most of the universe is the antithesis to life. It's not at all fine tuned for life, if it were there would be life everywhere. The suggestion that some God created this massive lethal universe so huge that we can't fathom just to put us on a speck of dust somewhere in it for a blink of an eye of time. It's an insane propositions on its face.
Good way of dealing with Jackie, but still too much show time taken up with him.
Underquoted scripture at funerals: If it's any of my employees: "The craving of a sluggard will be the death of him, because his hands refuse to work."
If you won't ban Jackie, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SACRED AND HOLY limit his time to 20 minutes.
It's a common misconception that God rested on the 7th day. He didn't, he created Jackie!😅
Teleologically, the odds of a universe creating a Jackie are very low, so you must be right.
Forest fier❤
Jackie is auditioning for a spot on the daily wire
36:51 I feel that Jackie's problem (specific to this conversation about the fine tuning argument; there are clearly many others) is that he doesn't understand the difference between a hypothetical universe and a possible universe.
Hypothetical is what one can conceive of; possible is what may actually exist. This is an important distinction that those enamored of philosophical argument tend to ignore.
There are infinitely many hypothetical universes, but we have no way of determining whether those universes are possible or not.
He's trying to use modal logic which says if you can imagine something, it exists. It's nonsense.
Dear Ibrahim, I'd rate the arguments against god as:
1. Argument from Divine Hiddenness
2. Argument from Divine Incoherence
3. Argument from the Null Hypothesis
I know Forrest brought this up but the problem of evil definitely belongs on the list
54:32 Forrest fire 😮😮😮
Underquoted scripture at a funeral: Genesis 3:4-5
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die, for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”