Nobbel87 has some pretty good lore videos on most of the main characters and on the Warcraft games themselves that you could check out If you want to know more about their history
Hey guys got 2 vids I would highly recommend you checking out even if you don't do a reaction vid to them (they are other utubers, couple who are one of the biggest wow utubers for while). The vid is split into 2 parts: "What is The Best Music in Warcraft? Part 1: Numbers 10-6" "What is The Best Music in Warcraft? The Top 5" The music playing in Jaina's mum cutaway scene is called "Jaina's Theme" and is in the top 10 list above. One of many amazing pieces of music from Blizzard. Expansions come and go and some have been better than others over the years, but one thing is for sure. The music team has never failed a single expansion to put out amazing pieces of music :). Keep up the great work guys, you easily 1 of my favourite utube reactors ben watching for a while now. Hope you guys have a wonderful Christmas and enjoy the amazing music in those 2 vids :) In case you can't find those 2 utube vids I have put the links below for you guys: ruclips.net/video/JQVgYWyu7LA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ChyS2WHxmQc/видео.html
Another thing I forgot to mention definitely worth checking out (even better if you were to react to it) is the Warcraft movie. It's very good and will give you some pretty good insight into the history of Azeroth and has some important lore characters and events set early in the timeline, like how the horde got to Azeroth and began fighting the alliance, why the orcs came under the leadership of Gul Dan (the orc who killed king Varion in the legion cinematic) and how "The Fel" (which was offered to orcs as green drink in Warlords of Draneor cinematic) injected the land of Azeroth. I know you guys don't usually do movie reactions, but please please could you make an exception for this movie seen as you done a big wow journey, I think it would be great thing to watch after seeing all the cinematics you will get alot more out of the movie :)
So jainas backstory goes as this. Jaina was the leader of her neutral city nation Theramore. When the new horde was forming she aided them cuz she wanted them to live in peace with the rest of azeroth. When her father came and saw a new horde forming he wanted to go to war with them cuz all he knew was the old horde that invaded and ravaged the planet. When her father refused to see reason and still insisted on annihaleting the horde she saw no other option but to ‘stand aside’ and let the horde to kill his father for peace( cut off the head of the snake mentality) Much later when Garrosh became warchief of the horde who was adamant on waging war on everybody he led an assault on Theramore which obviously had ties to the alliance but was generally neutral. He knew Bain(the tauren leader who was friends with jaina) would warn her thus baiting alliance reinforcements and key figures into the city and then dropped a manabomb on it(basically nuking the city) which resulted in everyone in it except jaina dying. Hence her guilt and hatred towards the horde. I would advise rewatching her warbingers cinematic after knowing this cuz basically this is what the song daughter of the sea is about. Its the tale told from the perspactive of her fathers man after they returned to kul tiras. Also she used to have blond hair, but when Garrosh dropped the bomb on Theramore she was pushed through a portal to safety in the last moment and the bombs energy touched her hair turning it white.
One of the most memorable lines from any story for me. "I'm sorry Arthas, I can't watch you do this." In blaming herself for Arthas' fall, Jaina was blaming herself for millions of deaths at the hands of the Lich King.
Jaina has had one of the longest character arcs in Warcraft history. She started off peace seeking, went batshit cray cray when the horde destroyed Theramore, and now we have arrived here, I like the current jaina a lot.
Well, not immediately crazy for long after Theramore's destruction. She planned to use the Focusing Iris (key component of the mana bomb) to tsunami Orgrimmar, but Kalecgos convinced her otherwise. Varian actually wanted her to throw the blood elves out of Dalaran, but she said no. It was only after the Sunreavers allowed Garrosh's hit squad to raid Darnassus through Dalaran's wards did she go "crazy" and throw the Horde supporters out of the so-far neutral Dalaran.
i think once this series is over the video "The (almost) Complete History of World of Warcraft" would be a perfect fit because it fits all these puzzle pieces from these videos together
@@Sarik0497 What video you mean? The Movie? It is not retcon. Don't know why but they decided to show different story than in books, so it is not canonical now (movie). There are 2 books related with this movie, but not canonical as well.
Just a FYI tidbit of trivia. The cutscene showing King Anduin and the rest marching into the throne room to take Sylvanas into custody is the exact same cutscene used in the game Warcraft III when Arthas marches into the throne room to murder his father the King of Lordaeron. They are identical camera angles etc. Done as a little homage to that scene from the older game.
It's important to note that in the "Realm of Torment" cutscene where Jaina's mother briefly lives through Jaina's memories, the people standing behind Jaina when her mother walks up to her are all people that are close friends or loved ones of Jaina whose deaths she feels personally responsible for. From left to right: Rhonin (her mentor), Kinndy Sparkshine (her apprentice), King Varian Wrynn (her king), Uther the Lightbringer, (Arthas' mentor), Daelin Proudmoore (her father), Arthas Menethil (her ex-lover). The first two died when her port of Theramore was destroyed. She blamed herself for making peace with the Horde and trusting them for so long. She blamed herself for Varian Wrynn's death because she believes she should have been strong enough to protect him in the battle that you saw in an earlier cutscene. She blamed herself for her father's death because she refused to fight alongside him against orcs and instead brokered for peace with them - they accepted, but her father refused and fought them to the death. She blamed herself for Uther and Arthas' death because when he decided to cull the city of Stratholme to prevent the plague of undeath spreading, she could not bear to see it nor to oppose him when he argued with Uther (who thought purging the city was an insane proposal) and so she just kind of walked away.
@@Lupinemancer87 Correct, Ronnin was her boyfriend at one point. Now I think she's with Kalecgos (who is actually a blue dragon). Antonidos (a mage who died in warcraft 3) was her mentor.
@@Boxkar24 Nope, there’s never been any reference to Rhonin and her being lovers. It wouldn’t even fit in terms of the timeline. He and Vereesa got together after the events of Day of the Dragon (in other words, at the end of the Second War). Jaina would have been around 9 at the time, and Rhonin was with Vereesa until his death (fathering the twin half-elves Giramar and Galadin). Jaina was with Arthas in her youth, and later Kalec(gos).
Too be fair, she made Theramore a massive target by taking in tons of Alliance troops and top military brass which screams to anyone that the Alliance was going to use Theramore as a jumping point for an invasion of Middle Kalimdor. Garrosh simply waited till they had a ton of brass there to try and behead the Alliance before dropping the bomb.
Okay, so! As the Horde seeks to find a new ally, they sail to Zandalar, which is home to the Zandalari Empire, the most powerful and advanced troll society. Their leader was King Rastakhan, and his daughter was named Talanji. Now, trolls, generally, base their faith around Loa, which are benevolent or malevolent beings or spirits. There are countless loa, some, more powerful than others. Rezan, for example, the "T-rex" was the Loa of Kings and Queens, and, during the Horde campaign in-game, he is killed and then resurrected, if I remember correctly. Bwonsamdi, on the other hand, is the Loa of Graves, whose "boss" is Mueh'zala, the God of Death. On the Alliance side of things, Jaina returns to Kul Tiras, as you can see, and she is immediately imprisoned. The woman to her mother's left is Lady Priscilla Ashvane, her mother's best friend, and, as it turns out, a venomous snake. She's the head of House Ashvane, one of the noble houses in Kul Tiras, as well as the head of the Ashvane Trading Company. She was a long-time friend of Katherine Proudmoore, Jaina's mother, but sought to usurp her. So, with Katherine's "blessing" she imprisoned Jaina on Fate's End, an island from where no one ever returned to. There, Jaina was caught by Gorak Tul, who was the leader of the Drust, the Drust being an ancient and mostly extinct population indigenous to Kul Tiras until some 3000 years prior, when Gilnean sailors arrived to Kul Tiras, fought them and eventually settled down to form Kul Tiras as it is today. It's a much longer story. The Drust wielded powerful death magic, and, upon defeat, Gorak Tul along with most of his slain Drust went to a dark realm called Thros, where they resided since. It's a dark and grim land at the crossroads between many realms of death. So Gorak Tul pulled Jaina into Thros, where she was condemned to relive all her terrible memories in an endless loop, starting from the time when she was with Arthas and couldn't stop him from going down the dark path towards becoming the Lich King, to the moment where her mother basically sentenced her to death. Again, through a long questline, you end up taking Katherine, her mother, to the island, and subsequently to Thros, to find Jaina, as she realized Priscilla Ashvane betrayed her. Then, Priscilla Ashvane seeks to attack the harbor with her small fleet, and Jaina calls on her father's fleet using the necklace. That fleet is led by Jaina's long lost brother, Tandred Proudmoore. Basically, a few months before Jaina returned to Kul Tiras, Tandred and his entire fleet disappeared, with everyone thinking they'd been lost at sea, when in fact, they were trapped in a magical storm summoned by Tidesages, basically, water priests, in service of Queen Azshara of the Naga. Also, important tidbit, Jaina and Tandred had another brother, Derek, who died during the Second War.
You're mostly correct except Mue'zhala isn't Bwonsamdi's "boss". Mue'zhala is an evil Loa where as Bwonsamdi is a neutral Loa. Bwonsamdi serves the Winter Queen in the Shadowlands. Otherwise you pretty much nailed the rest of it.
@@grantblackman actually, good old bwons is mue'zhala's successor, was his apprentice and became the loa of death... And mue'zhala is in no way form or shape a god of death...he is just the former loa of death who works for some other evil now...(Not to spoil anything here).
I hate that I understand her so well. I want to hate her with all the passion of my heart for the absolute betrayal and her part in it all, but yeah...yeah.
I've been loving both of your LoL and WoW reactions. You both are such a perfect couple who genuinly seem interested in the content you're watching, which makes it so much better. Bétheny has such a cute smile, she really seemed like she enjoyed this one a lot. Keep the videos coming!
Arthas was once the white knight in shining armour as you can see here but the only difference between Anduin and Arthas is Anduin wasn't given a choice that would ultimately be his down fall a choice that would make him ask himself which is the lesser evil
Jaina Proudmoore is still one of the best characters in WoW to this point. She's helped the Horde a lot during peaceful negotiations and befriended many of the Horde. I'd love more of the Jaina/Baine/Thrall friendships. It still sucks that they're wrecking Anti-hero Sylvanas by turning her in villain Sylvanas. She cared for her people the Forsaken and did everything to postpone their inevitable extinction. I miss that Sylvanas.
You guys are amazing and I enjoyed every minute of this reaction, thank you very much. You make it so easy to live vicariously through you. This one felt like one of those "They grow up so fast" moments. :)
Haha, awww. 😊 It was interesting seeing our first ever WoW video in this. And we are only just scratching the surface of our exploration even if our initial journey is coming to an end 🤗
Jaina is an excellent character, and as an Alliance player I am one of her loyal followers hahaha. Her story is very interesting, she is related to many important events in the history of wow, the arc with Arthas being the most important.
The throne room scene with adding and janina has a horde equivalent, plays out the same but you get a scene with the horde leaders prior to adding arrival.
Had to wince when you called a Kul Tiran flagship a 'flying pirate ship' .. xD And when Jaina calls the fleet home, against the actual pirates.. and Lady Ashvane has a sliiiiiight panic, with us seeing how the real Kul Tiran ships dwarf the other fleet. 'Your orders?!' 'errr.. ' *white flag* Absolutely awesome :D (For bonus info, the Kul Tiran captain shown giving the order to 'Show them what Kul Tirans are made of', Tandred, is Jaina's younger brother. He was believed dead, but had simply been lost along with the fleet. Him showing up was a surprise for a lot of folk :D )
I just noticed that the two cinematics with jaina were out of order. After checking the list I made for you, I saw that the mistake was on my side... sorry for that 😅 But I'm glad you noticed that something was wrong. Really enjoying your reactions! Can't wait for part 2. Stay save and stay awesome! 😉
There was also one short clip missing. There is a video of the horde perspective of the throne room right before and gin enters. After that it's nearly the same clip.
Appreciate you providing the list to begin with! And we originally had the Horde version for the throne room like on the list, Ut it was copyrighted as well for some reason while the Alliance one wasn’t. Ever since the lawsuit some Blizzard cinematics have been getting flagged 🤔
Jaina has been in the story since Warcraft 3, and she has done some pretty important things in most expansions but it hasn't shown in cinematics that often, until Battle for Azeroth. If you ever were to check out the full story of Warcraft 3 or Arthas then you'd see alot more of her. Even though WoW is facing some trouble due to activision blizzards issues I hope they make a movie or show about it.
BTW, The city you see in the trailer that the alliance is sieging is Lordaeron, the same city where Arthas is from and where he killed his father in the very same throne room you saw Sylvanas sitting on. Arthas is the one who turned Sylvanas into an undead banshee and forced her to serve him for eternity. Sylvana's hatred of the living is in big part associated to such enslavement of her soul and the events directly after it. After Sylvanas rebelled and gained freedom from Arthas, she made Lordaeron her home, ruling over the undead that split off the Lich King's army, called the Forsaken. Directly under the throne room you saw is Undercity the capital of the undead in the game. Now you can see the extra touch of Anduin laying siege to this city, and banishing Sylvanas from that throne room in a very similar fashion to how the undead laid siege to the city and how Arthas killed his father there.
I really liked the comment to the "Battle for Azeroth" trailer, which was about Anduin's magic tricks. I don't remember every word, but the gist was: "That's why the healer needs to be killed first."
Great reaction can't wait for the second part! :D There are some game cutscenes between these cinematics that expand on the story and characters but I understand you don't want to have 2h long videos :D. But basically in these stories....Alliance is dealing with family drama while Horde is trying to stop the waking of the newest Old God (G'huun). The big monster was actually a minion of that Old God. On the other hand, Bwonsamdi the Loa of death isn't so bad. He actually cares about his followers and is also helping the player character on some occasions. Captain of the Kul Tiras fleet (who Jaina summoned) is Jaina's brother. There was also a cutscene between Anduin and Saurfang right before the throne room cinematic. Horde version of this cinematic is slightly different...there Baine (leader of Tauren) is yelling at Sylvanas that she left Saurfang to die (This is important for later as Baine was good friend with Saurfang and shared his ideology). Also, your drinks look delicious.
Thanks for giving us some more info. And yes, we’d love to have more time to watch a more complete video but can’t right now so just getting basics for our initial journey 🙂
So. A couple of things happened from the end of Legion where the Horde and Alliance are basically celebrating the end of a major threat to going to war with one another that wasn't really shown in the trailer. As you've seen in the ending cinematic of legion a new ore was discovered near the site where Sargeras's Sword was left and Goblins have been scrambling to mine it all up. It was soon discovered that the ore wasn't just any ordinary ore formed from the earth, but the actual crystalized lifeblood of the planet Azeroth. Seeing as this is what it was the ore was soon dubbed "Azerite". They also discovered that Azerite can do many wonderful things. Such as boosting magical prowess as well as physical capabilities. They also make things go boom really really well which the goblins obviously love. So an arms race basically happened with the new ore with both the Alliance and Horde scrambling to get as much of the precious material as possible. Now while it is most commonly found in Azeroth's most recent wound, this isn't the only place it can be found and isn't even the first time this precious ore popped up. Goblins in their old hometown of Kezan, before it was wiped off the earth with a volcano from the Cataclysm, dug deep enough into the earth to find this precious ore. Seeing as there wasn't really much of it found in their mines, it didn't become common knowledge. Now that a lot of it is aboveground, the goblins recognized what it was and knew how precious it is giving the horde a headstart with mining it. As the sword of Sargeras was plunged into Silithus, an area located in Kalimdor, the Horde thought it best to monopolize the ore by keeping the last major capital city of the Alliance in the continent hostage. They planned this by seiging the city and then killing one of the cities leaders to both demoralize and keep the remaining populace compliant as hostages. They proceeded to march their armies right at Teldrassil and the seige was mostly successful. They managed to kick out the defending alliance out and surround the city to keep it hostage but, they failed in assassinating one of their leaders as Saurfang, the orc given resposibility with killing said leader, let the leader go as he attacked the leader when he was unaware of him and the leader was dueling Sylvanas. Seeing as he struck dishonorably, he let the leader be taken away to be healed. Sylvanas now knowing that she can't keep a whole city as big as Teldrassil hostage without its people rallying behind the very much alive leader, she opted the raze the city to the ground. This kinda pushed the Alliance to do the same with Lordaeron, a horde capital that was once a major Alliance city that fell during Arthas's undead romp through Azeroth and was soon claimed by the surviving undead who wasn't loyal to Arthas. That is where the beggining cinematic here picks up, the Alliance assaulting a major horde capital.
so 2 things i wanted to tell you about your videos. 1) i really love your facial expressions, in special her eyes are very good at conveying emotion. I am autistic as in yes really on the spectrum and watching reaction videos helps me to learn body language and relate, so this is very educational for me as well as fun. So please do muuuuch more and id love you to react to so many things XD definitely mass effect and maybe some more ingame cinematics from wow. Guild Wars 1 also has a great story with Prince Rurik 2) its kinda bad that you both react so well, i cant focus on you 2 at the same time so i have to watch every video 3 times, first focusing on the video, then one of you then the other. making this quite the time consuming hobby XD
Awww. Thanks so much for the kind words. And for sharing why you enjoy the videos. We love hearing about everyone’s individual journey and reasons for wanting to spend time with us. More reactions are coming. Between our two channels we basically have one every day 🤗
That was Jaina's long lost brother Tandred on the ship that returned with the fleet. Also, The elf with Anduin in the throne room was Sylvanas' sister Alleria, who also had previously disappeared for about 30 years but for her it was around 1000 because she was lost in a place called the twisting nether where time is bananas.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Sylvanas has two sisters and a brother but their brother was killed. Jaina has two brothers but her older brother died during BFA and was turned into an undead by Sylvanas who was going to use him as a weapon until Baine, the leader of the Tauren (cow people) set him free and brought him back to Jaina.
Jaina is crazy powerful. In Mists of Panderia right after her city (Theramore) got bombed by the horde she nearly wiped Orgrimmar (the horde capital city) off the map but an old friend, Kalecgos, talked her out of it. Can't wait for more wow reactions!
@@russell9153 guess you also "forgot" that she only did it with the help of Focusing Iris, which is a "crazy powerful' magic amplifier of the blue dragons. She's strong, but nowhere near the feats you try to attribute to her.
Great video as always! Only thing I'm a bit saddened about is that you missed out on the Horde version of the Throne cinematic (the one between Sylvanas and the Alliance), as it shows a clear fracture in the Horde, with one of the Horde leaders calling out Sylvanas for leaving one of her own men to die. Fortunately, it's pretty much the same as the Alliance counterpart with the exception being the first 30 seconds or so, so you didn't miss out ^^ A small bit of info about the troll cinematics, in case you're curious. =) As I mentioned in your previous video, there are 4 Old Gods on the planet. However, when the titan-forged (creations of the Titans) were left to guard the planet, they started experimenting on them in order to find a way to kill them without harming the planet. This resulted in the accidental creation of a "false" Old God, G'huun. G'huun is located on Zuldazar (the continent with all the trolls), and it was kept in check with 3 seals, one in each of the 3 zones, Zuldazar, Nazmir and Voldun. As we journey through the lands, we learn that as massive battle happened a long time ago in Voldun between Mythrax (the large monster you saw in the cutscene) and one of the Loa, which resulted in the death of both, and the destruction of one of the seals. The 2nd seal that is located in Nazmir was destroyed during the Cataclysm, which meant that only 1 of the 3 seals were still active and keeping G'huun contained. However, as you saw, a coup happens and Zul (the troll fighting Rastakhan), Mythrax, who had been resurrected by Zul, and a group of other trolls, assaulted the capital of Zandalar, where the last seal is located. However, despite winning the fight against Zul and his fanatical cult, the seal was nonetheless destroyed in the battle, and G'huun was now free of his prison. Zul knew all of this would happen, as he was born with a rare gift that allows him to see into the future. This means that he knew exactly what would occur, which is also why he simply drops his sword during his fight with Rastakhan, as he knows that he'd die in that fight and later be revived by G'huun.
The trolls are a group we definitely need to learn more about. And we originally had the Horde version in our list but it also got a copyright for some reason. However the alliance version didn’t. Weird things happening with Blizzard vids 😕🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Yeah. Blizzard has gotten a bit tighter recently with their stuff for some reason. :/ Luckliy, it didn't change *too* much from the Alliance version (only the 1st minute is different), besides showing the leader of the cow people (the tauren) protesting against Sylvanas for "abandoning Saurfang to die out there", and Nathanos (the male human with the red eyes) and Sylvanas having a small intimate moment (they were lovers in life) before he left Sylvanas in the throne room to await the Alliance. It's linked down below, if you're interested. ruclips.net/video/nTowPRMsiEA/видео.html If you want a bit of extra lore regarding the trolls, I'd heavily recommended that you watch PlatinumWoW's "Biggest LOSERS of Warcraft", which I'll link down below. The depth of the trolls' history is so huge that no comment wouldn't do it justice. His videos are absolutely amazing. Not only is he explaining the lore of WoW in a great and often hilarious way, but the way he shows it on screen just nails it perfectly. You'd definitely enjoy it, if you find the time. =) ruclips.net/video/AgQbzEhXsNg/видео.html But just to give you an idea about just how much influence the existence of the trolls have had on Azeroth, just know that all elves actually originates from trolls. In short, there was a subrace of trolls called the "Dark Trolls" who settled near the Well of Eternity. As generations passed, they slowly evolved (or devolved in the eyes of the trolls) into the Night Elves due to the power of the Well. Small groups of the Night Elves then later turned into the High/Blood Elves (the race Sylvanas and the elves of the Horde belong to), the Nightborne, and all the other subraces. Of course, this is just the tip of the massive, Titanic-sinking iceberg, so I'll just let you two figure it out yourselves as you watch more videos ^^
Hm, this list already raises some red flags to me. That might just be me being iffy about getting all the context there, but I feel like BfA should incorporate some in-game cinematics and some cutscenes, as all 6 playable zones have their own story (Kul'tiras is divided by a corruption of leadership, Zandalar is taken over by a backstabbing cult) and each zone ends with a cinematic leading to the overarching plot of each. For example, the Bwonsamdi cinematic as well as the fleet reappearing ones are the complete conclusions of both story arcs. But you still don't know who Rezan, or even Rastaban are, or why Priscilla Ashvane was at Catherine's side in one scene, and leading pirates in the other. Remember that blue, white and yellow crystal from the end of Legion? You're supposed to see more of it in these, as they're relevant to both stories. But anyway. Hey come to think of it, if you take your time with these some more, you'll be able to also go through all of Shadowlands! UNFORTUNATELY I remember talking about the Complete History videos, and the ones that were recommended, well, they won't have the Shadowlands things in it. Can I recommend something about those? Even if we're still a bit far from seeing them? Watch the longer one first (The Nobbel video), comment on it, and all, and finish it off with the shorter one. I feel the shorter one spins things down a bit in a weird layman terms / humor way that feels like a small refresher. (Also both videos are not 100% accurate, one may have a tidbit the other doesn't, and vice versa) but as I said, the Nobbel one's more detailed.
I'm bringing these reactions. I love how the first time they saw Jaina (when she pushed Varian to dismantle the horde), they didn't like her and called her crazy eyes and now she's the favorite hahah She's my favorite too!! I love her arc.
another thing that I appreciate about you is that you actually care enough about these different universa to invest time to have better understanding of the whole lore (what makes it even better is the fact that not so long ago you barely knew anything about WoW lore). It really makes your reaction videos much more fun!
Jaina's story is filled with both joy and sorrow in such measure. One of the better story arcs of the Warcraft saga. She was a treasure in Warcraft 3 and still is after having gone through absolute hell. Ugh, fucking Garrosh. Theramore was such a horrible tragedy, far above and beyond the purging of Stratholme and facing Arthas in the ICC dungeons. I hope you caught the original lullaby when she was dreaming of her father. Priscilla was responsible for altering the lyrics to Daughter of the Sea. Killing that bitch was truly one of the great joys of raiding in WoW.
We did catch the lullaby. And “fucking Garrosh” made us laugh. This is such a good franchise because it makes people pick sides because others will say “Garrosh did nothing wrong” and people defending Sylvanas and trashing Jaina and vice versa. The emotions these characters and stories can bring up 😊🤗
Soooo apparently RUclips decided I didn't need to be subbed anymore? I was wondering why I hadn't seen any content from you guys lol Anyway, not going to be super negative as I can be when I talk about WoW- especially modern. Don't get me wrong, older WoW had a lot of issues too, it's simply that retail is of its own making. So positives- the Talanji scene with her arms up as the Alliance fleet was decimated is one of my favorites. Absolutely loved her character as on the Horde side you can actually quest through a whole zone with her and learn her views- one of which being that she yearns to be a good leader and change her people for the better. She starts by literally going into a cursed swamp to stop an era-long territorial war from becoming a continent spanning one! Extremely cool zone too. The Jaina/Catherine stuff is hard for me to like due to those cutscenes being between the entire main-story quest; but only at the beginning and end. Going through Kul Tiras actually bored me to tears after playing through Zandalar as it's so weirdly detached from the main story, whereas Zandalar felt more fluid even though they are basically the same story through a different lens. I think the poor story boarding did it a massive disservice. Oh and the launch cinematic- you guys aren't the only ones who still get chills at the faction rallying cries! It's a shame how bad the reasoning was for the faction war this time around. They literally could have had the war due to the Alliance under Greymane (the werewolf) attacking and destroying a Horde fleet unprovoked during Legion. Instead that was ignored… for genocide. There are few things a character can't come back from. That's definitely one of those things. Then again the whole story is just bad now so- I don't know anymore honestly. Loved the reactions! Gonna watch part 2 tomorrow after work. Hope you two are having a good week into next year! :)
Thanks so much, Nathan! RUclips has been weird lately and we have had several people say that they have been unsubscribed from us or aren’t seeing notifications 😢 Bummer the game hasn’t been as good as it was. We are more detached from it so it’s more of a watching experience than playing experience. Feels like the more invested in characters and seeing them evolve over the years a person is, it would be harder and more egregious to see such a heel turn on them in game and lore wise. So we can definitely see why people haven’t loved direction they are taking some of the favorite characters in game. We are still enjoying our journey and we now attach ourselves to characters versus alliance or horde. We love Jaina and Saurfang in this part. In legion we loved Illidan. All characters we want to continue to explore 😀
Can't wait other parts Few references that could show some more light Opening cinematic, anduin dropping his sword and healing army, is kind of a summary of his initial journey as a king, From the moment of 'what am I supposed to do now father? - what a king must do' Him picking up a sword of his father, trying to be king like he did, so the culmination of cinematic, of him dropping the sword, and realising whom he really is, a very powerful priest, u can see thst in the eyes, and the smile that appeared. Later on 'magic ship cinematic' As anduin and crew walked into the city and throne room, was exactly the same as warcraft 3 cinematic, of arthas arrival to kill his father Both alliance leaders, look alike, both wielding the light at the time, arthas a paladin, anduin a priest The gate opening is super iconic Young zandalari troll priestess, at the start of expansion was a prisoner in alliance stockades along zul as she was connected to the horde, which help she sought to help sort issues in the kingdom led by her father who neglected a lot of issues and problem, which ultimately lead to scenes u saw. Zandalar is the oldest, and used to be biggest troll empire, long thought to be lost, and during battle of azeroth, was rediscovered and befriended by horse players, while alliance returned to kul tiras along jaina. Mentioned 'death of our man in theramore', jaina used to lead a city, theramore, which due to her blindness and bit of passivness, was ultimately mana-bombed by garrosh, and completely erased. Jaina - arthas, they had a relationship during warcraft3, when jaina was a young mage when plague of undead was spreading over the kingdom of lordaeron, arthas decided to stop it alongside jaina, when they arrived to stratholme, arthas, uther the lightbringer
Thanks so much for the extra info and kind words. Glad you are enjoying our journey along with us 😀🥳 And as you said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Some base knowledge as we go forward with more 🙂
There wasn't cutscene lordaeron from the horde side or saurfang before the battle cinematic, and Jaina's nightmare on the ship cutscene must be before she's meeting her mover first time
Horde side of throne room was copyright protected for some reason while the alliance one wasn’t. Weird things going on with blizzard cinematics at the moment. And yeah the Jaina scene was out of order in the list we were given 🤗
It's all about the talk after the reaction to really get 'reactors' point of view on things. That's what draws me in, of course the actual reactions during the cutscene-movies are too. But I enjoy the afterthoughts at the end of each video way more. Please keep them coming.
When this trailer was released we didn't know anything about the "Warbringers" animations, or the general plot for Battle for Azeroth. This trailer paints the Alliance as the aggressors - or at least the Horde as the underdog, which is why Sylvanas' "For the Horde" and the following rallying of the downtrodden gives people chills. Instead of making this expansion's Horde vs Alliance conflict nuanced they decided to make Sylvanas a mustache twirling "put the damsel on the train tracks" villain and Horde had to go along for the ride.
so basically the city that just got destroyed (poissoned) by Blight is Lordaeron - father of Arthas was residing there, and you could see it in W3 where Medivh (the raven mage) warned their council of incoming Legion invasion, while they were busy with local politics and strange plague that just happened (which was caused by unknown cultists at that time, and it turned people in to zombies... mindless undead) the scene when Anduin enters the throne room - is 1:1 copy of the same scene when Arthas returned with Frostmourne to murder his own father... listen the music, watch the camera work, similarities between anduin and arthas - its the nostalgic callback, a rhyme of history so Kul Tiras and Zandalari Trolls are known for a veeeeery long time in WOW and W3, they show up and play a role here and there, but this expansion is really their moment to shine they are known for their amaizing fleets, they are sea powers (as this expansion deals with islands and sea the "Theramore moment' in this cinematic is refering to a city governed by Jaina, which got bombed by Garrosh (right after he became warchief) by mana-bomb... basically got nuked, she was able to save herself, but after city theres a hole in ground this fat lady was an adviser to Katherine Proudmoore (Jaina mom) but she had ... lets call it 'other plans' regarding Kul Tiras.... basically she was a villian of first phase of expansion for Alliance players the moment when Laday Ashvane (thats her name) used the power of her cartel to take over Kul Tiras and this huge fleet appeared was the moment when loooong lost fleet returned, it was cursed to sail in magic storm for ever, and they were trapped in a magical loop... Captain of this fleet is Daelin, Jainas brother no wonder Beth loves Jaina... she one of the most important characters in WOW and warcraft3... you see her really for the first time, but her previous story is also really good... it takes a lot of turns and twists - before this expansion and Legion people thought that she will become a villian, from 'horde enthusiast' she turned in to nr.1 horde hater, she seemed to take simmilar turn to Sylvanas .......... NOW VERY IMPORTANT STUFF type in youtube: "Il'gynoth the Heart of Corruption Voice" these whipers appeared in Legion expansion before these whispers players could find (by fishing) a box of Yogg Saron with wierd quotes you can imagine how amaizing this was for lore-nerds... speculations went off the charts in WOW community, as this expansion deal with OLD GODS, the servants of Void - Mythraxx (this huge tentacly-monster that destroyed the seal) is one of their main servants on Azeroth (our planet), you saw an old god in warbringers series and Azhara one some of his whispers alredy happened, some did not even untill now Void knows all truths, know all possibilities, know all timelines... but doesnt know which one is true and will come to pass.... void deals with dreams, illusions (as you saw they alredy started with Jaina videos) its Void that created the 'curse of flesh'... in fact WE are the by-product of their long gone reign of terror on Azeroth, by curse of flesh they tried to weaken stone and metal made construct keepers of Azeroth Titan soul that sleeps inside our planet... by doing so they were trying to rot keepers out, to kill them easier Old Gods (Void) are inprisoned on Azeroth by Titans (Order), because one of them during their regin was ripped of from it (literally) by Titan (you saw size of Titans at the end of Legion when they pulled Sargeras) and it left deeep wound, because Old Gods are like pests, weeds, they grow like tick eating energy of planet and corrupting it, Titans had to interviene to save soul of our world from corruption we alredy killed most of the remaining, inprisoned old gods through out the years of playing WOW... what we know is that Void Lords cant enter our plain of reality (because WE are the plain of reality) as you can see on cosmic map of WOW Void Lords sent out in to cosmos untold, almost infinite number of 'old god' creatures (we know them as such, because they were mythical creatures to us, denizens of azeroth) at random, trying to find planets with sleeping titans inside, to corrupt them and use their power to enable Void Lords to enter plain of reality all cosmic powers got their own plains where they reside, they are fenced off by in-between barrier from plain of reality .... one of my most memorable moments in game was when i left Teldrasill and found on the beach remains of Old Gods servant (Mythraxx level) skeleton with huge titan sword in his skull... i thout to my self "DAAAANMMMMMMMM wth was this????" :O obviously remains were guarded by 'hour of twilight' servants (this group serves void and tries to usher in their return to our planet) they were too high level to kill for me, yet i snuk in to watch this from close ehhhh WOW is such HUGE game, its world is literally full of stories wherever you go you can dabble in so many things, its mind boggling you can literally find a thing in a forest, or by fishing... and it leads to huge story, to legends, to peoples, races, their history, their motivations, all races got their distinctive cultures, all of them got extensive history and enemies and heroes and cities basically you can pick whatever you like and discover it for weeks upon weeks of playing like zandalari trolls... whats the history of trolls on azeroth, when they appeared, how many types there are, what happened to troll empires, why etc. this is such rich world its too much for new players, might look too complicated... but at the same time it is the best thing in this game... its huge, it offers a lot
Thanks so much for sharing all that. Especially at the end telling us about one of your favorite experiences in the game. Can definitely see why so many have fallen in love with it 🤩😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames just trying to give you a context to what you see... not spoiling anything, but i try to change moments like: 'what the hell just happened?" in to "aaaaah, i get it now" i am explaining overarching cosmic stuff that is in books and in-game questlines... most of WOW players either dont know about it, or do not connect the dots like in Wrath of the Lich King videos, there was a moment like that.... you saw a video of dwarf running from some kind of ancient place, chased off by stone and metal creatures.... and you had no idea what the hell are you looking at this was Brann Bronzebeard (hes Indiana Jones/Lara Croft of WOW) that found a prison built by Titans where remnant of Yogg Saron was (one of Old Gods), this was introduction to a raid (raids are special events where over twenty players play together in a team to defeat powerfull bosses and get cool rewards - a lot of lore/story happens there)
The first cinematic was soo well made, it perfectly shows both sides yet none winning or losing, obviously in books alliance wins, though for people in the game it is different, when it was showns in blizzcons people were screaming when their side was said, goose bumbs material indeed, i have seen it over fifty times, never gets old.
It's no spoiler to say that the addon after Battle For Azeroth is about the realm of death -> There you see parts of the explanation why Sylvanas is the way she is now. You shouldn't see Bwosamdi (the loa of death) as evil; he is way more a neutral trickster who goes very indirect ways to complete his goals and who takes his job (protecting the souls of dead trolls) quite serious.
and the blonde hair captain on the ship is jaina proudmoore brother,derek (later on,he died on battle and his body with his crewmens body fall down the bottom of the great sea.in world of warcraft bfa game questline,players have to dive in the great sea bottom to search derek body 2 more powerful priest and turn them into undead(but baine and players save him and bring him back to jaina before sylvanas corrupt derek mind
I lost my dad two months before BfA was released. He was one week out from having a pacemaker put in that would have most likely saved his life. My Mom and I begged him to stop smoking, to change his habits, but he wouldn't. I was the one who found him on his bed. I will never not remember how it felt the first time I watched/played through the Kul'Tiras/Jaina storyline. My Dad died as a result of my being sick, I didn't want to go get the waters out of his truck and so he opted to carry them up the stairs himself. I told him I would have done it later, but he wouldn't listen. I miss him every single day. I will never not miss him. But I wished he would have listened to me and my Mom. So, when I want to torture myself, I come here and get re-experience someone else's loss and grief because their father wouldn't listen to them either.
The cut scene with Jaina's mum has "Jaina's Theme" playing during clip. Definitely worth checking out, one of the most beautiful and I am sure alot of wow players would agree one of the best pieces of music they done :)
Oh yeah. When Jaina's mother went to rescue her from the world of nightmare, it was strong. After all, Jaina reproaches herself, for which she left Arthas during the cleansing of Straholm. The necromancer infected the population of this city with a plague. Plague turns into zombies. Arthas decided to slaughter the population until they became servants of the Darkness. Jaina and Uther the Lightbringer left him. Controversial decision. On the one hand, he stopped the infection in the kingdom, on the other, the blood of his subjects
The 'dream' sequence was two of Jaina's key moments. The first one is her betrayal of Arthas (she had made a promise to never deny him) which eventually led to a downward spiral that ruined him. (it was confirmed that if she had stayed with him in that moment, she would have been the anchor that kept him from losing himself to his rage). They were in love, and she never moved on from him. The second one is when her father landed at Theramore (the city she ruled) in Kalimdor (after the warcraft 3 campaign) and immediately started a war with the horde, occupying Theramore as a base. She stood by while the horde assaulted the city to kill him.
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames I personally found that confirmation to be a relief, because the writers clearly make Arthas out to be a tragic figure, and Jaina's betrayal has a clear and defined scar from that moment that he carries with him right to the end. He is not this infallible paladin hero: He's a man who got overwhelmed by the situation... and at one of his moment vulnerable, had no support structure to advise him. Uthur couldn't possible do it due to his position. Jaina was literally the only person in the world in that moment who could have kept him from making that fatal mistake on judgment eventually... and she blames herself for being too weak at the time to even try. Granted, he was who he was, but we're human, and we're social creatures. All the naysayers who say 'he made the choice' like to forget that no one is infallible, and he was a young man who after that point felt alone. Right up to the end, there was a piece of that core Arthas within the Lich King too. He kept her locket, and her finding it causes her to breakdown in guilt over not trying to rescue him. People like to forget he was the first victim of that blade.
I really like your videos they are excellent I don't know who makes the playlist but sometimes some videos are missing but hey it doesn't matter the main thing is there
Yeah sometimes it’s missing or out of order but this journey is mainly to give us some base knowledge to work off of going forward as we do more WoW stuff 🥳 Glad you are enjoying the videos 😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames "u.g. b" is my another channel/account/profile. I REALLY Hope u Will react to all Warcraft 3 ingame cutscenes 🙏. (I see ur reactions 4 the 5. Time hehe" 👍👍👍
This is where Warcraft Storytelling is still makes sense. 2 main things, Sylvannus still doing stuff for a huge reason. And Kultiran are worst people in wow history. Another thing I noticed, many cinematic you guys are watching are Alliance perspective of cinematic. There are full versions of cinematic, or I recommend horde side cinematic because horde side usually see whole picture. This is main thing in Warcraft, alliance always only see half of picture to antagonising horde. While horde side see whole thing to play the victim part. These stories are mostly call back to events in history. So to the Backstory : 1:50 - so Alliance invading Undercity because Sylvannus burnt the Teredessil. Undercity - the former Loredron city, where Arthas killed his father and killed his people and raised them as undead. When Sylvannus broke free from Arthas, she saved many civilians which are now undead race called "forsaken" and established kingdom there as Undercity. 6:00 - Sylvannus used a dirty move using improved plague of undead on Alliance army. Plague of undead is the bioweapon used by Licking. And Jaina come to save Alliance. (Missing Cinematic) - horde side cutscene before Confrontation. 7:25 - Confrontation between Sylvannus and Anduin. Genn, Jaina and Aleria also present there. Bain, Lothemar and Nathanos can be seen on Sylvannus ship. (Fun fact : this cut scene and Arthas killing his father cinematic should watch side by side to see similarities, same place, same actions) 10:15 - this part have some backstory. "Sarufang" (the old soldier) was captured by alliance during Loredron battle. Small team of elites send to Alliance capital to save Sarufang but he refused to come. Meanwhile we met with Princes "Talanji" the crowned princes of zandalar. And "Zul" the prophet of Zandalar. Horde rescue them and escaped with their own captured ship. And as you see in Cinematic, alliance follow the ship and Talanji use Rezan, Loa of kings' power to escape to Zandalar. 15:10 & 13:15 - since horde escape to Zandalar, and Zandalari hold full power over seas. Alliance turned to Thier old allies, Kultiran for aid. And there Jaina meets her Mom Catherine and her advisor "Lady Ashvane". And Ashvane decided to exile Jaina into the "Drustvar" Drustvar is ancient abundant landmass In Kultiran, long story, but main thing, land play with your head to driven people crazy. 16:42 - meanwhile in Zandalar, a sub faction of trolls called Bloodtrolls invade Zandalar. Later we found it was "Zul" behind this attack. A betrayer within. And this battle end with death of "Rezan, the Loa of kings". And "King Rastakhan" after lossing his god he worship make a deal with Bhonsambdi. 19:40 - Catherine with us search Jaina in Drustvar, Jaina already having illusions from past. 21:27 - this frame shows 6 people she lost and she feel guilt about. From left to right. Ronan - her Mentor Sacrificed his life at Theromor, she feel guilty about Theromor nuke. Kinndy (between Ronan and Varian) - her student Sacrificed her life during theormor. Varrian - her friend, king of Alliance killed in broken shore by Guldan in previous Cinematic. Uther ( behind Jaina) - mentor to Arthas, he's one of first to killed after Arthas kill his father. Dailen - her father died in hands of Rexxar because she couldn't change him. Arthas - her lover lost to dark path, became Licking. 22:22 - back in Zandalar again, Zul has awakened "Mythrax", one of servants of oldgods. And he invade Dazaralor the capital of Zandalar to destroy the seal of Ghuun. More on that later. And Zul is not killed there. He did return one more time. 24:30 - back In Kultiran, lady Ashvane shows her true colours, attacking the capital Boralus with army of pirate. But Jaina uses the necklace as a beacon to summon Kultiran fleet back home. Stort of Loa - Loa are powerful beings oftenly worship as gods or feared as demons In wow universe. Loa are empowered or created by much more stronger beings line Titans or other forces, and Oftenly held power over life or death. There are no definite powerlevel to loas, it depends on how they gain power. Loas technically immortal, because when they killed they will return, reborn In emerald dream sooner or later. Thier soul is very powerful than a normal mortal. Known loas seen In Cinematics - Rezan (T-rex) - Loa of kings, powered by Titan Eonar. Bhonsambdi - Loa of death, powered by death. Cenarius - Centaur guy in Illidian's memories, he's the teacher of Illidian and he teach drudism. He's also powered by Eonar. August Celestials - Chiji the red Crain, Niuzao the BlackOx, Xuen the White Tiger and Yulon the Jade serpent. 4 guardians of Pandaria you saw In Shauhao cinematics. All 4 are powered by Eonar. Druids and Shadowhunters. - 2 main classes in wow universe. They are are connected to loas granting them power. In wow Classic cinematic, a girl transform to a panther. This power is from a Loa called Ashmane, basically a cat loa. Druids usually gain power from good loas while Shadowhunters gain power from dark loas. Ghunn, the 5th oldgod - million years ago, After Titan armies seal the oldgods, a race native to Azorath start to rise In power. That's Trolls. And they Oftenly fought against remaining old god armies. 5 huge troll empires and Zandalar act as main empire. During this time a titan keeper known as MOTHER experiment on oldgod power, but she accidentally create a artificial mini oldgod named Ghuun. The 5th oldgod. He's weeker in power, so MOTHER sealed him in the facility with 2 additional keys guarding it. And those given to Zandalari to protect it. Mythrax, a old god army general found about this 5th god and attempt to free him. He invade one of keys. This key is guarded by the Loa Sethraliss, the snake Loa. She sacrifices her life to defeat Mythrax, but he manage to destroy the seal in last sec. This event out Mythrax into deep sleep. And In present time, Zul awakened Mythrax and Mythrax Attack the last seal breaking the releasing the Ghuun. This lead to next Raid to kill Ghuun, and Released the MOTHER from her job. Cause she will join us in future of BFA.
That’s not “another perspective” to her it’s just bad writing meant to excuse the character so they don’t have to kill her off Bc Danuser is obsessed w her
@@SirenRyan i agree with you on that. I never played the mmo but I've always followed the lore, and sylvanas was one of those compelling characters for me. She is ruthless and cruel but she had another tender side as well, since she showed that she cares for her people the forsaken. Just like Cersei cares for her family. Shadowlands just ruined her character arc for me by justifying that "ohh it wasnt really her, it was her dark side." Really really bad writing. Blizzard's trying so hard to project themselves into sylvanas
@@labra6969 Exactly. I've never been a fan of her BUT she does have a very interesting and compelling backstory and motives and past for the past TWENTY irl years of Warcraft content, and I feel as if this new Shadowlands storyline is spitting on that and all of the people who loved that by saying it wasnt her and that the Banshee who did those things is gone now
Sylvanas was grey to begin with. She fought as leader of the elven rangers the lichking so hard that as a punishment he raised her as a Banshee took away her free will and used her to slaugther her own people that she tried to defend. While she was enslaved and killed who she was ordered to kill she saw everything without a chance to resist or influence what her body did. When she broke free from his control, all she can think of was to get revenge on Arthas and end the lichking. Everything she did was to reach this goal. There she did more than one questionable thing but largly remained grey. Than the Lichking was beaten and endet in Wrath of the Lichking and she decided to find peace and killed herself, only to awaken in a realm of neverending torture. She was rescued from this place and from this Moment her goal shiftet to stay undead at every cost to not go back to that realm. In more than one way she had a connection to Varian, the father of Anduin and she respected him long before he died and she became warchief. From here on an other Leadwriter took the reigns, the story from sylvanas changed so she became a massmurderer bound to kill hope, from the calculating person that she was she has gone to an unstable person that was triggered to do stupid things everytime if somebody say hope. Most of the playerbase was not happy with this because everything she did no longer fits the person she was before. But this is far from over because you will follow her in quiet some other cutscenes.
Yeah i remember the begin of BfA where every sylvanas "fan" (me included) was like "i mean she has a good reason for that right? Right???" and then the whole stuff around Shadowlands (i wont spoil bc they aint there yet) i just were like "ok?i guess that IS a goal but wtf???" And while i still would wish it for her she is so long over any redemption arc at this point would be just illogical silly
20:00 I sware no matter how many times i see this, i can't help but shed tears The in-game story telling is quite weak but the quest line that this cinematic is part of is by far the best
3:55 because by itself is one of the best "for the horde" war cries delivered in cinematics, putting aside the horrific war crimes, its a cool moment in isolation. 5:37 Sorry Bethany, it's no way better than the Horde one lol
"For the Alliance" will always and forever sound ridiculous. I know that they are trying to make it a thing, but it really goes against the Alliance fantasy of separate nations temporarily banding together to form a united front against external threats of which one is The Horde. "For the Horde" works, because it's actually one nation organized into distinct states where external nations can apply to join as a new state.
@@yannym4605 Exactly, they didnt start really saying it till later xpacs IIRC, I cant remember when it started exactly but I remember everyone horde and alliance saying it was lame to copy the horde
So jainas backstory goes as this. Jaina was the leader of her neutral city nation Theramore. When the new horde was forming she aided them cuz she wanted them to live in peace with the rest of azeroth. When her father came and saw a new horde forming he wanted to go to war with them cuz all he knew was the old horde that invaded and ravaged the planet. When her father refused to see reason and still insisted on annihaleting the horde she saw no other option but to ‘stand aside’ and let the horde to kill his father for peace( cut off the head of the snake mentality) Much later when Garrosh became warchief of the horde who was adamant on waging war on everybody he led an assault on Theramore which obviously had ties to the alliance but was generally neutral. He knew Bain(the tauren leader who was friends with jaina) would warn her thus baiting alliance reinforcements and key figures into the city and then dropped a manabomb on it(basically nuking the city) which resulted in everyone in it except jaina dying. Hence her guilt and hatred towards the horde. I would advise rewatching her warbingers cinematic after knowing this cuz basically this is what the song daughter of the sea is about. Its the tale told from the perspactive of her fathers man after they returned to kul tiras. Also she used to have blond hair, but when Garrosh dropped the bomb on Theramore she was pushed through a portal to safety in the last moment but the bombs energy touched her hair turning it white.
The second half of this is probably going to be disjointed (if my memory serves me), but I'm excited to see your reaction to the rest of the "Old Soldier" series. Saurfang's story is probably the closest thing to a story told completely in the cinematics other than the Tale of Shaohao. I think you will really like it.
Will say Bwonsambi actually isn't that bad as a Loa of Death. When the Maw(Basically Hell) in the Shadowlands was consuming everyones souls when they died, he was actually using his power to keep Troll Souls from reaching the Maw. But like any Loa he does have his own interests in mind(Since souls do empower him), he's more morally grey than anything. But he does honor the deals he makes. Also the lightning strike revealing the Kul Tiran Fleet is still one of the coolest shots they've done.
You have Sylvanas slightly wrong. Yes, she made life her enemy. However, she doesn't want everyone to die. It's more like she's completely indifferent to what happens to people due to what she knows about the afterlife. Blizzard made this almost exact character story arch so much better with Kerrigan in StarCraft. She is the main villain for a lot of the series, but actually, 100% gets redeemed. Not her actions, but rather what she becomes.
Nah, Arthas wasn't even that good at holy magic in general. He was noted to be very skilled as a warrior, but showed little interest in the teachings of the light. (And a lot of the Order of the Silver Hand felt he was being pushed along faster than he should've been due to nepotism/favoritism). (he's basically a retribution paladin). Anduin was a holy priest who gradually learned to fight once he had to step-up and try to fill his father's shoes, though he's still not that good at it (he's basically just a priest that can use swords and platemail..but is otherwise still a holy priest).
The videos here are not in order. The old soldier cinematic was before the Battle for Azeroth, and Jaina's nightmare was before her arrival to Kul Tiras
One interesting thing to note in Jainas BFA storyline is while she shows remorse for failing to stop others from committing atrocities (her father attacking the horde unprovoked and Arthas purging Stratholm) she shows little to no remorse for her own crimes. In Mists of Pandaria, after Theramore's destruction Jaina finds out that a Blood Elf faction in Dalaran helped the horde with stealing an artifact from the Alliance (breaking Dalarans policy of neutrality.) The faction was expelled from Dalaran with Jaina ordering the use of lethal force which resulted in many civilian casualties (in the quest you can see Jaina walking around killing npcs with the “Feared” animation triggered, indicating that they have surrendered). Later, in BFA, a Surviving Blood Elf seeks vengeance on Jaina and at first she don’t seem to remember the purge stating “I have no quarrel with you” The full dialogue goes. Magister Hathorel says: Indeed she did, traitor. You and Lady Proudmoore. Jaina Proudmoore says: I have no quarrel with you. Magister Hathorel says: Have you forgotten the purge of Dalaran, murderer? Today, the Sunreavers will be avenged. Jaina Proudmoore says: Then your vendetta is with me, and me alone! Magister Hathorel says: No! You will watch your friends die--just as I did!
A little addendum to the Purge of Dalaran. After imprisoning Aethas Sunreaver in the Violet Hold, Jaina starts patrolling the streets with two water elementals. Some Sunreavers she teleports into Violet Hold, some she kills. She doesn't kill all of them out of hand. Vereesa Windrunner on the other hand... She's very up front that you should kill every Sunreaver you come across in the quests you get from her. She's been itching for an excuse to kill them ever since Theramore, where Rhonin died, and she was not happy when Jaina let them stay in the city and maintained Dalaran's neutrality earlier in the Pandaria campaign. After Jaina discovers it was the Sunreavers that stole the Divine Bell from Darnassus, she says this (Jaina's Resolution): "For too long, I have toiled to mend fences between Alliance and Horde. Time and time again, I've given the Horde the benefit of the doubt - and time and time again, they stab me in the back. I refuse to be betrayed again! If the Horde intends to use the Kirin Tor as a weapon against the Alliance, then they have no place in Dalaran. Come with me, ." While Vereesa says this (Sewer Cleaning): "Jaina's doing a good job taking care of Sunreavers above ground, but there's still plenty rooting around in the sewers. Go find those lying rats and exterminate them!" and (Nowhere to Hide) "The Sunreaver's Sanctuary is still crawling with those Horde-loving Sunreavers. Jaina will have sent the reasonable ones to the Violet Hold. The rest refuse to leave, raising their weapons against us. Show them the cost of their defiance. They now face the judgment of the Alliance, the Silver Covenant, and the Kirin Tor!"
Always loved the Battle for Azeroth cinematic ... they just show the leaders of the factions in such a good way of anti-thesis Sylvanas being a banshee queen that brings mostly death wherever she goes and leader of the Horde while Anduin wielding his fathers sword is still a Priest at his roots so he can use the power of the Light to heal/ revive his army Edit : Small little fun fact is that Arthas and Jaina had a thing in common in Warcraft 3 until Arthas snapped at the Culling of Stratholme ( he slaughtered a entire city of his followers due to them being infected with a plague that would turn them into zombies at 19:55 " This Entire City must be purged " )
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Well Arthas went downhill the darkside path from that moment .. from a Noble Paladin to a Paladin crazed with vengeance to Finding Frostmourne and corrupting him into a Death Knight to gettin called by Nerzhul ( Nerzhul was the orc shaman that mentored Guldan and got punished by the Burning Legion attaching his soul into the Lich King Armor/ Helmet) . When Arthas became the Lich King it was him and Nerzhul's soul merging together
The sword Anduin is using is what Arthas truly needed. The Ashbringer. Just like a phoenix from the ashes shall rise again. Standing as One for the Alliance!
iirc, Sylvanas' dialogue in BFA was written quite a while before the cinematic, and had a different context to it when it was written. Chris Metzen (who I think wrote it before he left Blizzard) was surprised that it was used for BFA's trailer. And considering Teldrassil's burning taking place before the Battle of Lordaeron (we had known that Teldrassil and Undercity / Lordaeron were going to be destroyed as part of BFA's storyline, we just didn't know in what order / who attacked who first as that was kept a secreit for a bit), and knowing what we know now in Shadowlands, her line here narratively makes no sense. Someone please correct me if anything I wrote is wrong.
There are cinematics of this expansion that you didn't react to in this video, like the Sauerfang cinematics, form example. Have you seen them already before or will you do another part where you will react to the rest of them?
This is just the first half. The Saurfang ones will come next week. But we did old soldier in a separate reaction you can see here ruclips.net/video/7_7DHhUygjc/видео.html
Bit of a necro post, and maybe I missed the comment that mentions this, but to contextualize just how horrible and tragic of a life Jaina has had -- she's approximately 36 years old by this expansion. She's literally been in one war or another since she was 23 years old (when Warcraft III takes place). This means she saw Arthas fall at age 23, founded Theramore at 24/25, lost her father within that year, saw Arthas die when she was 29/30, suffered the loss of Theramore (Mists of Pandaria) when she was 33 and nearly went mad, lost King Varian at age 35, and experienced the start of Battle for Azeroth while she was 35/36.
So, fun fact: Jaina has kinda aged in real-time along with the games (lots of characters do). When we first met her in Warcraft 3 she was somewhere in her early twenties. Now, she is in her mid-thirties. And she's always been around close to the main characters, and undergone so much. Seeing her take center stage this time was incredibly satisfying.
Jaina vs Elsa Elsa kicked up an entire ice castle like it was nothing. The amount of energy required to do that is just off the scale due to the high thermal capacity water has. Elsa was also able to create life from non-life to a non-living host body. Jaina on the other hand is capable of more than just manipulating water. Including teleportation and force fields, Jaina also has the experience advantage both strategically and tactically as Elsa hasn't seen that much combat. However, in a death battle between Jaina and Elsa, there is one trait that trumps over all in this battle. "The cold never bothered me anyway." Elsa is practically immune to ice and chill attacks while Jaina doesn't really have these as immunities as much as resistance. Also the sheer power difference between the 2 is so immense that it trumps over versatility and experience. So I would say that in a 1 vs 1, Elsa wins. However, in a grander scheme of things, Jaina is more useful as a unit to the whole army group due to the versatility.
I think you should have seen the full cinematic of BFA in order thats show some scenes from the ingame so you can understand better from the channel Athelarius there is an 1 hour video that shows you the whole cinematics in order
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames i don't mean literally 1 hour XD its 1:46:29 long + the in game cutscenes are shorter but have some information but its fine i hope now you know what happened from the comments
The city they are fighting over at the start, Lordaeron, is the former capital of the alliance. This is where Arthas murdered his father, while Jaina was his love interest. After the lich king events the scourge have taken over and the Forsaken (which were once humans) took shelter in the very same city. Neglected by the Alliance, they joined the Horde. The moment Anduin steps in the city gates there's a moment where he looks at it like "Wow... The history of this place.".
...These you do are my favorties, but I would see if you could find them in order so as to get the full benefit of the story as well...but love it!... keep going!...
Yeah there were a couple that got mixed up. For the most part the list we were given has been in order but we at least spotted that something was amiss when the necklace reappeared 🤗
To see our Old Solider reaction click here ruclips.net/video/7_7DHhUygjc/видео.html 🙂
Nobbel87 has some pretty good lore videos on most of the main characters and on the Warcraft games themselves that you could check out
If you want to know more about their history
You're right, it was out of order.
Jaina's dream happened before they arrived at Kul'Tiras.
Hey guys got 2 vids I would highly recommend you checking out even if you don't do a reaction vid to them (they are other utubers, couple who are one of the biggest wow utubers for while). The vid is split into 2 parts:
"What is The Best Music in Warcraft? Part 1: Numbers 10-6"
"What is The Best Music in Warcraft? The Top 5"
The music playing in Jaina's mum cutaway scene is called "Jaina's Theme" and is in the top 10 list above. One of many amazing pieces of music from Blizzard. Expansions come and go and some have been better than others over the years, but one thing is for sure. The music team has never failed a single expansion to put out amazing pieces of music :). Keep up the great work guys, you easily 1 of my favourite utube reactors ben watching for a while now. Hope you guys have a wonderful Christmas and enjoy the amazing music in those 2 vids :)
In case you can't find those 2 utube vids I have put the links below for you guys:
ruclips.net/video/JQVgYWyu7LA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/ChyS2WHxmQc/видео.html
Another thing I forgot to mention definitely worth checking out (even better if you were to react to it) is the Warcraft movie. It's very good and will give you some pretty good insight into the history of Azeroth and has some important lore characters and events set early in the timeline, like how the horde got to Azeroth and began fighting the alliance, why the orcs came under the leadership of Gul Dan (the orc who killed king Varion in the legion cinematic) and how "The Fel" (which was offered to orcs as green drink in Warlords of Draneor cinematic) injected the land of Azeroth.
I know you guys don't usually do movie reactions, but please please could you make an exception for this movie seen as you done a big wow journey, I think it would be great thing to watch after seeing all the cinematics you will get alot more out of the movie :)
So jainas backstory goes as this. Jaina was the leader of her neutral city nation Theramore. When the new horde was forming she aided them cuz she wanted them to live in peace with the rest of azeroth. When her father came and saw a new horde forming he wanted to go to war with them cuz all he knew was the old horde that invaded and ravaged the planet. When her father refused to see reason and still insisted on annihaleting the horde she saw no other option but to ‘stand aside’ and let the horde to kill his father for peace( cut off the head of the snake mentality) Much later when Garrosh became warchief of the horde who was adamant on waging war on everybody he led an assault on Theramore which obviously had ties to the alliance but was generally neutral. He knew Bain(the tauren leader who was friends with jaina) would warn her thus baiting alliance reinforcements and key figures into the city and then dropped a manabomb on it(basically nuking the city) which resulted in everyone in it except jaina dying. Hence her guilt and hatred towards the horde. I would advise rewatching her warbingers cinematic after knowing this cuz basically this is what the song daughter of the sea is about. Its the tale told from the perspactive of her fathers man after they returned to kul tiras. Also she used to have blond hair, but when Garrosh dropped the bomb on Theramore she was pushed through a portal to safety in the last moment and the bombs energy touched her hair turning it white.
One of the most memorable lines from any story for me.
"I'm sorry Arthas, I can't watch you do this."
In blaming herself for Arthas' fall, Jaina was blaming herself for millions of deaths at the hands of the Lich King.
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Also at icecrown when Arthas is defeated he finds her locker and she is shocked that Arthas kept it.
Jaina has had one of the longest character arcs in Warcraft history. She started off peace seeking, went batshit cray cray when the horde destroyed Theramore, and now we have arrived here, I like the current jaina a lot.
We like her too 😍
also, her and arthas were in love before he became the lich king
Well, not immediately crazy for long after Theramore's destruction. She planned to use the Focusing Iris (key component of the mana bomb) to tsunami Orgrimmar, but Kalecgos convinced her otherwise. Varian actually wanted her to throw the blood elves out of Dalaran, but she said no.
It was only after the Sunreavers allowed Garrosh's hit squad to raid Darnassus through Dalaran's wards did she go "crazy" and throw the Horde supporters out of the so-far neutral Dalaran.
She did not go "batshit cray cray" don't mislead people. She just got consumed by sorrow, and rightly so after wath happened.
@@dragonangl2161 The irony of that is Varian had almost convinced the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance at that point too, though.
i think once this series is over the video "The (almost) Complete History of World of Warcraft" would be a perfect fit because it fits all these puzzle pieces from these videos together
I agree. But they should also see the movie before that 😁
@@u.g.b4660 Warcraft Movie? It is not canonical and mess up much better original story.
That’s the plan 🙂
I could very well remember incorrectly, but hasn't a major part of the lore in the video been retconned?
@@Sarik0497 What video you mean? The Movie? It is not retcon. Don't know why but they decided to show different story than in books, so it is not canonical now (movie). There are 2 books related with this movie, but not canonical as well.
Just a FYI tidbit of trivia.
The cutscene showing King Anduin and the rest marching into the throne room to take Sylvanas into custody is the exact same cutscene used in the game Warcraft III when Arthas marches into the throne room to murder his father the King of Lordaeron. They are identical camera angles etc. Done as a little homage to that scene from the older game.
* Spoiler Alert * I think of it as kind of a foreshadowing of the latest events in Shadowlands.
😎🤟 some nice attention to detail there
not the same cutscene but the same room, Sylvanas is...residing in the remains of once was Lordaeron and yes I think this is a call back to that scene
It's important to note that in the "Realm of Torment" cutscene where Jaina's mother briefly lives through Jaina's memories, the people standing behind Jaina when her mother walks up to her are all people that are close friends or loved ones of Jaina whose deaths she feels personally responsible for. From left to right: Rhonin (her mentor), Kinndy Sparkshine (her apprentice), King Varian Wrynn (her king), Uther the Lightbringer, (Arthas' mentor), Daelin Proudmoore (her father), Arthas Menethil (her ex-lover). The first two died when her port of Theramore was destroyed. She blamed herself for making peace with the Horde and trusting them for so long. She blamed herself for Varian Wrynn's death because she believes she should have been strong enough to protect him in the battle that you saw in an earlier cutscene. She blamed herself for her father's death because she refused to fight alongside him against orcs and instead brokered for peace with them - they accepted, but her father refused and fought them to the death. She blamed herself for Uther and Arthas' death because when he decided to cull the city of Stratholme to prevent the plague of undeath spreading, she could not bear to see it nor to oppose him when he argued with Uther (who thought purging the city was an insane proposal) and so she just kind of walked away.
Thanks for pointing that out. She has a lot of regret that weighs heavily on her 😢
Rhonin wasn't her mentor.
@@Lupinemancer87 Correct, Ronnin was her boyfriend at one point. Now I think she's with Kalecgos (who is actually a blue dragon). Antonidos (a mage who died in warcraft 3) was her mentor.
@@Boxkar24 Nope, there’s never been any reference to Rhonin and her being lovers. It wouldn’t even fit in terms of the timeline. He and Vereesa got together after the events of Day of the Dragon (in other words, at the end of the Second War). Jaina would have been around 9 at the time, and Rhonin was with Vereesa until his death (fathering the twin half-elves Giramar and Galadin). Jaina was with Arthas in her youth, and later Kalec(gos).
Too be fair, she made Theramore a massive target by taking in tons of Alliance troops and top military brass which screams to anyone that the Alliance was going to use Theramore as a jumping point for an invasion of Middle Kalimdor. Garrosh simply waited till they had a ton of brass there to try and behead the Alliance before dropping the bomb.
Okay, so!
As the Horde seeks to find a new ally, they sail to Zandalar, which is home to the Zandalari Empire, the most powerful and advanced troll society. Their leader was King Rastakhan, and his daughter was named Talanji. Now, trolls, generally, base their faith around Loa, which are benevolent or malevolent beings or spirits. There are countless loa, some, more powerful than others. Rezan, for example, the "T-rex" was the Loa of Kings and Queens, and, during the Horde campaign in-game, he is killed and then resurrected, if I remember correctly. Bwonsamdi, on the other hand, is the Loa of Graves, whose "boss" is Mueh'zala, the God of Death.
On the Alliance side of things, Jaina returns to Kul Tiras, as you can see, and she is immediately imprisoned. The woman to her mother's left is Lady Priscilla Ashvane, her mother's best friend, and, as it turns out, a venomous snake. She's the head of House Ashvane, one of the noble houses in Kul Tiras, as well as the head of the Ashvane Trading Company. She was a long-time friend of Katherine Proudmoore, Jaina's mother, but sought to usurp her. So, with Katherine's "blessing" she imprisoned Jaina on Fate's End, an island from where no one ever returned to. There, Jaina was caught by Gorak Tul, who was the leader of the Drust, the Drust being an ancient and mostly extinct population indigenous to Kul Tiras until some 3000 years prior, when Gilnean sailors arrived to Kul Tiras, fought them and eventually settled down to form Kul Tiras as it is today. It's a much longer story. The Drust wielded powerful death magic, and, upon defeat, Gorak Tul along with most of his slain Drust went to a dark realm called Thros, where they resided since. It's a dark and grim land at the crossroads between many realms of death. So Gorak Tul pulled Jaina into Thros, where she was condemned to relive all her terrible memories in an endless loop, starting from the time when she was with Arthas and couldn't stop him from going down the dark path towards becoming the Lich King, to the moment where her mother basically sentenced her to death. Again, through a long questline, you end up taking Katherine, her mother, to the island, and subsequently to Thros, to find Jaina, as she realized Priscilla Ashvane betrayed her.
Then, Priscilla Ashvane seeks to attack the harbor with her small fleet, and Jaina calls on her father's fleet using the necklace. That fleet is led by Jaina's long lost brother, Tandred Proudmoore. Basically, a few months before Jaina returned to Kul Tiras, Tandred and his entire fleet disappeared, with everyone thinking they'd been lost at sea, when in fact, they were trapped in a magical storm summoned by Tidesages, basically, water priests, in service of Queen Azshara of the Naga.
Also, important tidbit, Jaina and Tandred had another brother, Derek, who died during the Second War.
You're mostly correct except Mue'zhala isn't Bwonsamdi's "boss". Mue'zhala is an evil Loa where as Bwonsamdi is a neutral Loa. Bwonsamdi serves the Winter Queen in the Shadowlands.
Otherwise you pretty much nailed the rest of it.
Thanks so much for the extra context and info, Alex 😀
@@grantblackman huh? there is no suggestion whatsoever that Bwonsamdi serves the Winter Queen
@@grantblackman actually, good old bwons is mue'zhala's successor, was his apprentice and became the loa of death...
And mue'zhala is in no way form or shape a god of death...he is just the former loa of death who works for some other evil now...(Not to spoil anything here).
"why does it still give me goosebumps when she says that!?"
Me: cause we believed... that she meant it...
Watch her pull a Lelouch
I hate that I understand her so well. I want to hate her with all the passion of my heart for the absolute betrayal and her part in it all, but yeah...yeah.
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@@Mirikal You can understand, why someone does something. Doesn't mean you can't hate them at the same time.
I've been loving both of your LoL and WoW reactions.
You both are such a perfect couple who genuinly seem interested in the content you're watching, which makes it so much better.
Bétheny has such a cute smile, she really seemed like she enjoyed this one a lot.
Keep the videos coming!
Love Jaina! 🥰😍🤩
Arthas was once the white knight in shining armour as you can see here but the only difference between Anduin and Arthas is Anduin wasn't given a choice that would ultimately be his down fall a choice that would make him ask himself which is the lesser evil
Jaina Proudmoore is still one of the best characters in WoW to this point. She's helped the Horde a lot during peaceful negotiations and befriended many of the Horde. I'd love more of the Jaina/Baine/Thrall friendships.
It still sucks that they're wrecking Anti-hero Sylvanas by turning her in villain Sylvanas. She cared for her people the Forsaken and did everything to postpone their inevitable extinction. I miss that Sylvanas.
Maybe they are just setting it up for an epic redemption storyline 🤔🤗
Sylvanas was never an Anti-Hero. and the Forsaken were *always* a means to an end for her.
You just ignored her lore.
You guys are amazing and I enjoyed every minute of this reaction, thank you very much. You make it so easy to live vicariously through you. This one felt like one of those "They grow up so fast" moments. :)
Haha, awww. 😊 It was interesting seeing our first ever WoW video in this. And we are only just scratching the surface of our exploration even if our initial journey is coming to an end 🤗
Jaina is an excellent character, and as an Alliance player I am one of her loyal followers hahaha. Her story is very interesting, she is related to many important events in the history of wow, the arc with Arthas being the most important.
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@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Oh and btw, compared jaina with elsa was a good call, Jaina is a Frost mage, like literally.
The throne room scene with adding and janina has a horde equivalent, plays out the same but you get a scene with the horde leaders prior to adding arrival.
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Jaina Proudmore was always my favorite as well. And I love the voice actress for her, Laura Bailey.
Oh, I hope in the second half.
You will have. An Unexpected Reunion.
One of my favorite Cinematics.
Terror of Darkshore is definitely the best one out of all of them :D
Both are in the next half ☺️
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames :D Awesome ty
Had to wince when you called a Kul Tiran flagship a 'flying pirate ship' .. xD
And when Jaina calls the fleet home, against the actual pirates.. and Lady Ashvane has a sliiiiiight panic, with us seeing how the real Kul Tiran ships dwarf the other fleet.
'Your orders?!'
'errr.. ' *white flag*
Absolutely awesome :D
(For bonus info, the Kul Tiran captain shown giving the order to 'Show them what Kul Tirans are made of', Tandred, is Jaina's younger brother. He was believed dead, but had simply been lost along with the fleet. Him showing up was a surprise for a lot of folk :D )
Thanks for giving us some more info on that scene 😀
I just noticed that the two cinematics with jaina were out of order. After checking the list I made for you, I saw that the mistake was on my side... sorry for that 😅
But I'm glad you noticed that something was wrong.
Really enjoying your reactions! Can't wait for part 2.
Stay save and stay awesome! 😉
There was also one short clip missing. There is a video of the horde perspective of the throne room right before and gin enters. After that it's nearly the same clip.
Appreciate you providing the list to begin with! And we originally had the Horde version for the throne room like on the list, Ut it was copyrighted as well for some reason while the Alliance one wasn’t. Ever since the lawsuit some Blizzard cinematics have been getting flagged 🤔
Jaina has been in the story since Warcraft 3, and she has done some pretty important things in most expansions but it hasn't shown in cinematics that often, until Battle for Azeroth.
If you ever were to check out the full story of Warcraft 3 or Arthas then you'd see alot more of her. Even though WoW is facing some trouble due to activision blizzards issues I hope they make a movie or show about it.
They should move to making shows and movies with both WoW and Overwatch they could do a lot as they have great characters 🙂
BTW, The city you see in the trailer that the alliance is sieging is Lordaeron, the same city where Arthas is from and where he killed his father in the very same throne room you saw Sylvanas sitting on. Arthas is the one who turned Sylvanas into an undead banshee and forced her to serve him for eternity. Sylvana's hatred of the living is in big part associated to such enslavement of her soul and the events directly after it. After Sylvanas rebelled and gained freedom from Arthas, she made Lordaeron her home, ruling over the undead that split off the Lich King's army, called the Forsaken. Directly under the throne room you saw is Undercity the capital of the undead in the game. Now you can see the extra touch of Anduin laying siege to this city, and banishing Sylvanas from that throne room in a very similar fashion to how the undead laid siege to the city and how Arthas killed his father there.
Knew the name of the city sounded familiar we just couldn’t place it 🙃
I really liked the comment to the "Battle for Azeroth" trailer, which was about Anduin's magic tricks. I don't remember every word, but the gist was: "That's why the healer needs to be killed first."
Haha, yup. That’s amazing 😁 Also why I love having healing characters in games 😂
Great reaction can't wait for the second part! :D There are some game cutscenes between these cinematics that expand on the story and characters but I understand you don't want to have 2h long videos :D. But basically in these stories....Alliance is dealing with family drama while Horde is trying to stop the waking of the newest Old God (G'huun). The big monster was actually a minion of that Old God. On the other hand, Bwonsamdi the Loa of death isn't so bad. He actually cares about his followers and is also helping the player character on some occasions. Captain of the Kul Tiras fleet (who Jaina summoned) is Jaina's brother. There was also a cutscene between Anduin and Saurfang right before the throne room cinematic. Horde version of this cinematic is slightly different...there Baine (leader of Tauren) is yelling at Sylvanas that she left Saurfang to die (This is important for later as Baine was good friend with Saurfang and shared his ideology). Also, your drinks look delicious.
Thanks for giving us some more info. And yes, we’d love to have more time to watch a more complete video but can’t right now so just getting basics for our initial journey 🙂
So. A couple of things happened from the end of Legion where the Horde and Alliance are basically celebrating the end of a major threat to going to war with one another that wasn't really shown in the trailer. As you've seen in the ending cinematic of legion a new ore was discovered near the site where Sargeras's Sword was left and Goblins have been scrambling to mine it all up. It was soon discovered that the ore wasn't just any ordinary ore formed from the earth, but the actual crystalized lifeblood of the planet Azeroth. Seeing as this is what it was the ore was soon dubbed "Azerite". They also discovered that Azerite can do many wonderful things. Such as boosting magical prowess as well as physical capabilities. They also make things go boom really really well which the goblins obviously love. So an arms race basically happened with the new ore with both the Alliance and Horde scrambling to get as much of the precious material as possible. Now while it is most commonly found in Azeroth's most recent wound, this isn't the only place it can be found and isn't even the first time this precious ore popped up. Goblins in their old hometown of Kezan, before it was wiped off the earth with a volcano from the Cataclysm, dug deep enough into the earth to find this precious ore. Seeing as there wasn't really much of it found in their mines, it didn't become common knowledge. Now that a lot of it is aboveground, the goblins recognized what it was and knew how precious it is giving the horde a headstart with mining it. As the sword of Sargeras was plunged into Silithus, an area located in Kalimdor, the Horde thought it best to monopolize the ore by keeping the last major capital city of the Alliance in the continent hostage. They planned this by seiging the city and then killing one of the cities leaders to both demoralize and keep the remaining populace compliant as hostages. They proceeded to march their armies right at Teldrassil and the seige was mostly successful. They managed to kick out the defending alliance out and surround the city to keep it hostage but, they failed in assassinating one of their leaders as Saurfang, the orc given resposibility with killing said leader, let the leader go as he attacked the leader when he was unaware of him and the leader was dueling Sylvanas. Seeing as he struck dishonorably, he let the leader be taken away to be healed. Sylvanas now knowing that she can't keep a whole city as big as Teldrassil hostage without its people rallying behind the very much alive leader, she opted the raze the city to the ground. This kinda pushed the Alliance to do the same with Lordaeron, a horde capital that was once a major Alliance city that fell during Arthas's undead romp through Azeroth and was soon claimed by the surviving undead who wasn't loyal to Arthas. That is where the beggining cinematic here picks up, the Alliance assaulting a major horde capital.
Thanks for giving us a little more context as to what happened at end of legion to where we are picking up with this one 😀
so 2 things i wanted to tell you about your videos.
1) i really love your facial expressions, in special her eyes are very good at conveying emotion. I am autistic as in yes really on the spectrum and watching reaction videos helps me to learn body language and relate, so this is very educational for me as well as fun. So please do muuuuch more and id love you to react to so many things XD definitely mass effect and maybe some more ingame cinematics from wow. Guild Wars 1 also has a great story with Prince Rurik
2) its kinda bad that you both react so well, i cant focus on you 2 at the same time so i have to watch every video 3 times, first focusing on the video, then one of you then the other. making this quite the time consuming hobby XD
Awww. Thanks so much for the kind words. And for sharing why you enjoy the videos. We love hearing about everyone’s individual journey and reasons for wanting to spend time with us. More reactions are coming. Between our two channels we basically have one every day 🤗
Awesome reaction, overall your channel is really becoming one of my favorites! Keep up the good and honest reactions!
Thanks so much! 😀
That was Jaina's long lost brother Tandred on the ship that returned with the fleet. Also, The elf with Anduin in the throne room was Sylvanas' sister Alleria, who also had previously disappeared for about 30 years but for her it was around 1000 because she was lost in a place called the twisting nether where time is bananas.
How many siblings does she have? 🤔
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames two living sisters Alleria the oldest and Vereesa the youngest. With Sylvanas the middle problem child 😆
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Sylvanas has two sisters and a brother but their brother was killed. Jaina has two brothers but her older brother died during BFA and was turned into an undead by Sylvanas who was going to use him as a weapon until Baine, the leader of the Tauren (cow people) set him free and brought him back to Jaina.
@@JeyDB Actually, her brother died during the 2nd War.
@@Lupinemancer87 You're right, what I meant to say was her older brother died and during BFA was turned into an undead. My bad.
Jaina is crazy powerful. In Mists of Panderia right after her city (Theramore) got bombed by the horde she nearly wiped Orgrimmar (the horde capital city) off the map but an old friend, Kalecgos, talked her out of it. Can't wait for more wow reactions!
She was intercepted by Thrall, before Kalecgos talked her out of trying again.
@@yannym4605 oh yeah thanks I forgot it was both at first I wrote thrall then I edited it remembering something about the blue dragon.
She is indeed super powerful from what we’ve seen. And we have more WoW coming next week 😀🥳
@@russell9153 guess you also "forgot" that she only did it with the help of Focusing Iris, which is a "crazy powerful' magic amplifier of the blue dragons.
She's strong, but nowhere near the feats you try to attribute to her.
The cinematic with the encounter between Anduin and Sylvanas also has an alternate horde version which is definitely worth checking out
We will check it out but probably not have reaction up for that 🤗
One of the best channel, keep it up guys ! Love you from France :)
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Love you guys! Love your channel. You're both super fun!!!
18:50 Aaah the birth of a new, playable race. Always so dramatic. :)
Great video as always! Only thing I'm a bit saddened about is that you missed out on the Horde version of the Throne cinematic (the one between Sylvanas and the Alliance), as it shows a clear fracture in the Horde, with one of the Horde leaders calling out Sylvanas for leaving one of her own men to die. Fortunately, it's pretty much the same as the Alliance counterpart with the exception being the first 30 seconds or so, so you didn't miss out ^^
A small bit of info about the troll cinematics, in case you're curious. =)
As I mentioned in your previous video, there are 4 Old Gods on the planet. However, when the titan-forged (creations of the Titans) were left to guard the planet, they started experimenting on them in order to find a way to kill them without harming the planet.
This resulted in the accidental creation of a "false" Old God, G'huun. G'huun is located on Zuldazar (the continent with all the trolls), and it was kept in check with 3 seals, one in each of the 3 zones, Zuldazar, Nazmir and Voldun.
As we journey through the lands, we learn that as massive battle happened a long time ago in Voldun between Mythrax (the large monster you saw in the cutscene) and one of the Loa, which resulted in the death of both, and the destruction of one of the seals. The 2nd seal that is located in Nazmir was destroyed during the Cataclysm, which meant that only 1 of the 3 seals were still active and keeping G'huun contained.
However, as you saw, a coup happens and Zul (the troll fighting Rastakhan), Mythrax, who had been resurrected by Zul, and a group of other trolls, assaulted the capital of Zandalar, where the last seal is located.
However, despite winning the fight against Zul and his fanatical cult, the seal was nonetheless destroyed in the battle, and G'huun was now free of his prison. Zul knew all of this would happen, as he was born with a rare gift that allows him to see into the future. This means that he knew exactly what would occur, which is also why he simply drops his sword during his fight with Rastakhan, as he knows that he'd die in that fight and later be revived by G'huun.
The trolls are a group we definitely need to learn more about. And we originally had the Horde version in our list but it also got a copyright for some reason. However the alliance version didn’t. Weird things happening with Blizzard vids 😕🤗
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Yeah. Blizzard has gotten a bit tighter recently with their stuff for some reason. :/
Luckliy, it didn't change *too* much from the Alliance version (only the 1st minute is different), besides showing the leader of the cow people (the tauren) protesting against Sylvanas for "abandoning Saurfang to die out there", and Nathanos (the male human with the red eyes) and Sylvanas having a small intimate moment (they were lovers in life) before he left Sylvanas in the throne room to await the Alliance. It's linked down below, if you're interested.
ruclips.net/video/nTowPRMsiEA/видео.html
If you want a bit of extra lore regarding the trolls, I'd heavily recommended that you watch PlatinumWoW's "Biggest LOSERS of Warcraft", which I'll link down below. The depth of the trolls' history is so huge that no comment wouldn't do it justice. His videos are absolutely amazing. Not only is he explaining the lore of WoW in a great and often hilarious way, but the way he shows it on screen just nails it perfectly. You'd definitely enjoy it, if you find the time. =)
ruclips.net/video/AgQbzEhXsNg/видео.html
But just to give you an idea about just how much influence the existence of the trolls have had on Azeroth, just know that all elves actually originates from trolls.
In short, there was a subrace of trolls called the "Dark Trolls" who settled near the Well of Eternity. As generations passed, they slowly evolved (or devolved in the eyes of the trolls) into the Night Elves due to the power of the Well. Small groups of the Night Elves then later turned into the High/Blood Elves (the race Sylvanas and the elves of the Horde belong to), the Nightborne, and all the other subraces. Of course, this is just the tip of the massive, Titanic-sinking iceberg, so I'll just let you two figure it out yourselves as you watch more videos ^^
Hm, this list already raises some red flags to me. That might just be me being iffy about getting all the context there, but I feel like BfA should incorporate some in-game cinematics and some cutscenes, as all 6 playable zones have their own story (Kul'tiras is divided by a corruption of leadership, Zandalar is taken over by a backstabbing cult) and each zone ends with a cinematic leading to the overarching plot of each. For example, the Bwonsamdi cinematic as well as the fleet reappearing ones are the complete conclusions of both story arcs. But you still don't know who Rezan, or even Rastaban are, or why Priscilla Ashvane was at Catherine's side in one scene, and leading pirates in the other.
Remember that blue, white and yellow crystal from the end of Legion? You're supposed to see more of it in these, as they're relevant to both stories. But anyway.
Hey come to think of it, if you take your time with these some more, you'll be able to also go through all of Shadowlands! UNFORTUNATELY I remember talking about the Complete History videos, and the ones that were recommended, well, they won't have the Shadowlands things in it. Can I recommend something about those? Even if we're still a bit far from seeing them? Watch the longer one first (The Nobbel video), comment on it, and all, and finish it off with the shorter one. I feel the shorter one spins things down a bit in a weird layman terms / humor way that feels like a small refresher. (Also both videos are not 100% accurate, one may have a tidbit the other doesn't, and vice versa) but as I said, the Nobbel one's more detailed.
The Nobbel one is the 23 minute one right? 🤔
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames No, the Nobbel one is the 41 minutes one. Hidden Azeroth did the 23 minute one. Would you like the links?
I'm bringing these reactions. I love how the first time they saw Jaina (when she pushed Varian to dismantle the horde), they didn't like her and called her crazy eyes and now she's the favorite hahah She's my favorite too!! I love her arc.
When I think I just cannot love you more guys. You come and exceed my expectations yet again! You're awesome
another thing that I appreciate about you is that you actually care enough about these different universa to invest time to have better understanding of the whole lore (what makes it even better is the fact that not so long ago you barely knew anything about WoW lore). It really makes your reaction videos much more fun!
We get invested. And a big part is because we feed off the passion of the community for their favorite franchises. 🥳🥳🥳😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames that's what makes you so great!
This was a great watch enjoy your week ! :D
Thanks! You too! 😀
as a lord nerd i cant help but cry true all these cinematics and cutsence
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Jaina's story is filled with both joy and sorrow in such measure. One of the better story arcs of the Warcraft saga. She was a treasure in Warcraft 3 and still is after having gone through absolute hell. Ugh, fucking Garrosh. Theramore was such a horrible tragedy, far above and beyond the purging of Stratholme and facing Arthas in the ICC dungeons.
I hope you caught the original lullaby when she was dreaming of her father. Priscilla was responsible for altering the lyrics to Daughter of the Sea. Killing that bitch was truly one of the great joys of raiding in WoW.
We did catch the lullaby. And “fucking Garrosh” made us laugh. This is such a good franchise because it makes people pick sides because others will say “Garrosh did nothing wrong” and people defending Sylvanas and trashing Jaina and vice versa. The emotions these characters and stories can bring up 😊🤗
Soooo apparently RUclips decided I didn't need to be subbed anymore? I was wondering why I hadn't seen any content from you guys lol
Anyway, not going to be super negative as I can be when I talk about WoW- especially modern. Don't get me wrong, older WoW had a lot of issues too, it's simply that retail is of its own making.
So positives- the Talanji scene with her arms up as the Alliance fleet was decimated is one of my favorites. Absolutely loved her character as on the Horde side you can actually quest through a whole zone with her and learn her views- one of which being that she yearns to be a good leader and change her people for the better. She starts by literally going into a cursed swamp to stop an era-long territorial war from becoming a continent spanning one! Extremely cool zone too.
The Jaina/Catherine stuff is hard for me to like due to those cutscenes being between the entire main-story quest; but only at the beginning and end.
Going through Kul Tiras actually bored me to tears after playing through Zandalar as it's so weirdly detached from the main story, whereas Zandalar felt more fluid even though they are basically the same story through a different lens. I think the poor story boarding did it a massive disservice.
Oh and the launch cinematic- you guys aren't the only ones who still get chills at the faction rallying cries! It's a shame how bad the reasoning was for the faction war this time around. They literally could have had the war due to the Alliance under Greymane (the werewolf) attacking and destroying a Horde fleet unprovoked during Legion. Instead that was ignored… for genocide. There are few things a character can't come back from. That's definitely one of those things.
Then again the whole story is just bad now so- I don't know anymore honestly.
Loved the reactions! Gonna watch part 2 tomorrow after work.
Hope you two are having a good week into next year! :)
Thanks so much, Nathan! RUclips has been weird lately and we have had several people say that they have been unsubscribed from us or aren’t seeing notifications 😢
Bummer the game hasn’t been as good as it was. We are more detached from it so it’s more of a watching experience than playing experience. Feels like the more invested in characters and seeing them evolve over the years a person is, it would be harder and more egregious to see such a heel turn on them in game and lore wise. So we can definitely see why people haven’t loved direction they are taking some of the favorite characters in game.
We are still enjoying our journey and we now attach ourselves to characters versus alliance or horde. We love Jaina and Saurfang in this part. In legion we loved Illidan. All characters we want to continue to explore 😀
Can't wait other parts
Few references that could show some more light
Opening cinematic, anduin dropping his sword and healing army, is kind of a summary of his initial journey as a king,
From the moment of 'what am I supposed to do now father? - what a king must do'
Him picking up a sword of his father, trying to be king like he did, so the culmination of cinematic, of him dropping the sword, and realising whom he really is, a very powerful priest, u can see thst in the eyes, and the smile that appeared.
Later on 'magic ship cinematic'
As anduin and crew walked into the city and throne room, was exactly the same as warcraft 3 cinematic, of arthas arrival to kill his father
Both alliance leaders, look alike, both wielding the light at the time, arthas a paladin, anduin a priest
The gate opening is super iconic
Young zandalari troll priestess, at the start of expansion was a prisoner in alliance stockades along zul as she was connected to the horde, which help she sought to help sort issues in the kingdom led by her father who neglected a lot of issues and problem, which ultimately lead to scenes u saw.
Zandalar is the oldest, and used to be biggest troll empire, long thought to be lost, and during battle of azeroth, was rediscovered and befriended by horse players, while alliance returned to kul tiras along jaina.
Mentioned 'death of our man in theramore', jaina used to lead a city, theramore, which due to her blindness and bit of passivness, was ultimately mana-bombed by garrosh, and completely erased.
Jaina - arthas, they had a relationship during warcraft3, when jaina was a young mage when plague of undead was spreading over the kingdom of lordaeron, arthas decided to stop it alongside jaina, when they arrived to stratholme, arthas, uther the lightbringer
Thanks so much for the extra info and kind words. Glad you are enjoying our journey along with us 😀🥳 And as you said. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Some base knowledge as we go forward with more 🙂
There wasn't cutscene lordaeron from the horde side or saurfang before the battle cinematic, and Jaina's nightmare on the ship cutscene must be before she's meeting her mover first time
Horde side of throne room was copyright protected for some reason while the alliance one wasn’t. Weird things going on with blizzard cinematics at the moment. And yeah the Jaina scene was out of order in the list we were given 🤗
Los seguí desde que habían 1000 ahora ya están llegando a los 100000. 😊😊
I just found this channel, these two are so cute and adorable! Subbed!
Welcome! 🥳🥳😀🤗🍾🥂 Glad you found the channel and are enjoying the content 😊
It's all about the talk after the reaction to really get 'reactors' point of view on things. That's what draws me in, of course the actual reactions during the cutscene-movies are too. But I enjoy the afterthoughts at the end of each video way more. Please keep them coming.
Thanks, Edwin! 🥰🤗☺️ Glad you enjoy our post chats 😀
For the Alliance! The Kul'tiran fleet is so badass! And of course it's Lord Admiral! :)
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When this trailer was released we didn't know anything about the "Warbringers" animations, or the general plot for Battle for Azeroth. This trailer paints the Alliance as the aggressors - or at least the Horde as the underdog, which is why Sylvanas' "For the Horde" and the following rallying of the downtrodden gives people chills. Instead of making this expansion's Horde vs Alliance conflict nuanced they decided to make Sylvanas a mustache twirling "put the damsel on the train tracks" villain and Horde had to go along for the ride.
Love the old movie villain bank robber reference 😀
The lore is so deep that "Nobbel87" (who is famous for his lore videos) got a 1h 46min long video on Jaina alone xD
We are gonna check that out 😍🤩
so basically the city that just got destroyed (poissoned) by Blight is Lordaeron - father of Arthas was residing there, and you could see it in W3 where Medivh (the raven mage) warned their council of incoming Legion invasion, while they were busy with local politics and strange plague that just happened (which was caused by unknown cultists at that time, and it turned people in to zombies... mindless undead)
the scene when Anduin enters the throne room - is 1:1 copy of the same scene when Arthas returned with Frostmourne to murder his own father... listen the music, watch the camera work, similarities between anduin and arthas - its the nostalgic callback, a rhyme of history
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Kul Tiras and Zandalari Trolls are known for a veeeeery long time in WOW and W3, they show up and play a role here and there, but this expansion is really their moment to shine
they are known for their amaizing fleets, they are sea powers (as this expansion deals with islands and sea
the "Theramore moment' in this cinematic is refering to a city governed by Jaina, which got bombed by Garrosh (right after he became warchief) by mana-bomb... basically got nuked, she was able to save herself, but after city theres a hole in ground
this fat lady was an adviser to Katherine Proudmoore (Jaina mom) but she had ... lets call it 'other plans' regarding Kul Tiras.... basically she was a villian of first phase of expansion for Alliance players
the moment when Laday Ashvane (thats her name) used the power of her cartel to take over Kul Tiras and this huge fleet appeared was the moment when loooong lost fleet returned, it was cursed to sail in magic storm for ever, and they were trapped in a magical loop... Captain of this fleet is Daelin, Jainas brother
no wonder Beth loves Jaina... she one of the most important characters in WOW and warcraft3... you see her really for the first time, but her previous story is also really good... it takes a lot of turns and twists - before this expansion and Legion people thought that she will become a villian, from 'horde enthusiast' she turned in to nr.1 horde hater, she seemed to take simmilar turn to Sylvanas
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type in youtube: "Il'gynoth the Heart of Corruption Voice"
these whipers appeared in Legion expansion
before these whispers players could find (by fishing) a box of Yogg Saron with wierd quotes
you can imagine how amaizing this was for lore-nerds... speculations went off the charts in WOW community, as this expansion deal with OLD GODS, the servants of Void - Mythraxx (this huge tentacly-monster that destroyed the seal) is one of their main servants on Azeroth (our planet), you saw an old god in warbringers series and Azhara one
some of his whispers alredy happened, some did not even untill now
Void knows all truths, know all possibilities, know all timelines... but doesnt know which one is true and will come to pass.... void deals with dreams, illusions (as you saw they alredy started with Jaina videos)
its Void that created the 'curse of flesh'... in fact WE are the by-product of their long gone reign of terror on Azeroth, by curse of flesh they tried to weaken stone and metal made construct keepers of Azeroth Titan soul that sleeps inside our planet... by doing so they were trying to rot keepers out, to kill them easier
Old Gods (Void) are inprisoned on Azeroth by Titans (Order), because one of them during their regin was ripped of from it (literally) by Titan (you saw size of Titans at the end of Legion when they pulled Sargeras) and it left deeep wound, because Old Gods are like pests, weeds, they grow like tick eating energy of planet and corrupting it, Titans had to interviene to save soul of our world from corruption
we alredy killed most of the remaining, inprisoned old gods through out the years of playing WOW... what we know is that Void Lords cant enter our plain of reality (because WE are the plain of reality) as you can see on cosmic map of WOW
Void Lords sent out in to cosmos untold, almost infinite number of 'old god' creatures (we know them as such, because they were mythical creatures to us, denizens of azeroth) at random, trying to find planets with sleeping titans inside, to corrupt them and use their power to enable Void Lords to enter plain of reality
all cosmic powers got their own plains where they reside, they are fenced off by in-between barrier from plain of reality
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one of my most memorable moments in game was when i left Teldrasill and found on the beach remains of Old Gods servant (Mythraxx level) skeleton with huge titan sword in his skull... i thout to my self "DAAAANMMMMMMMM wth was this????" :O
obviously remains were guarded by 'hour of twilight' servants (this group serves void and tries to usher in their return to our planet) they were too high level to kill for me, yet i snuk in to watch this from close
ehhhh WOW is such HUGE game, its world is literally full of stories wherever you go
you can dabble in so many things, its mind boggling
you can literally find a thing in a forest, or by fishing... and it leads to huge story, to legends, to peoples, races, their history, their motivations, all races got their distinctive cultures, all of them got extensive history and enemies and heroes and cities
basically you can pick whatever you like and discover it for weeks upon weeks of playing
like zandalari trolls... whats the history of trolls on azeroth, when they appeared, how many types there are, what happened to troll empires, why etc.
this is such rich world its too much for new players, might look too complicated... but at the same time it is the best thing in this game... its huge, it offers a lot
Thanks so much for sharing all that. Especially at the end telling us about one of your favorite experiences in the game. Can definitely see why so many have fallen in love with it 🤩😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames just trying to give you a context to what you see... not spoiling anything, but i try to change moments like: 'what the hell just happened?" in to "aaaaah, i get it now"
i am explaining overarching cosmic stuff that is in books and in-game questlines... most of WOW players either dont know about it, or do not connect the dots
like in Wrath of the Lich King videos, there was a moment like that.... you saw a video of dwarf running from some kind of ancient place, chased off by stone and metal creatures.... and you had no idea what the hell are you looking at
this was Brann Bronzebeard (hes Indiana Jones/Lara Croft of WOW) that found a prison built by Titans where remnant of Yogg Saron was (one of Old Gods), this was introduction to a raid (raids are special events where over twenty players play together in a team to defeat powerfull bosses and get cool rewards - a lot of lore/story happens there)
I am looking forward to the second part. Thank you
Monday! 🥳
The first cinematic was soo well made, it perfectly shows both sides yet none winning or losing, obviously in books alliance wins, though for people in the game it is different, when it was showns in blizzcons people were screaming when their side was said, goose bumbs material indeed, i have seen it over fifty times, never gets old.
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When she turns into banshee mode in the BFA trailer it remains for me the best part of all the cinematics
It's no spoiler to say that the addon after Battle For Azeroth is about the realm of death -> There you see parts of the explanation why Sylvanas is the way she is now.
You shouldn't see Bwosamdi (the loa of death) as evil; he is way more a neutral trickster who goes very indirect ways to complete his goals and who takes his job (protecting the souls of dead trolls) quite serious.
It would be cool to get to know Bwosamdi more because he definitely appears as a sinister trickster like Mephisto 🤔😈🙂
and the blonde hair captain on the ship is jaina proudmoore brother,derek (later on,he died on battle and his body with his crewmens body fall down the bottom of the great sea.in world of warcraft bfa game questline,players have to dive in the great sea bottom to search derek body 2 more powerful priest and turn them into undead(but baine and players save him and bring him back to jaina before sylvanas corrupt derek mind
I lost my dad two months before BfA was released. He was one week out from having a pacemaker put in that would have most likely saved his life. My Mom and I begged him to stop smoking, to change his habits, but he wouldn't. I was the one who found him on his bed. I will never not remember how it felt the first time I watched/played through the Kul'Tiras/Jaina storyline. My Dad died as a result of my being sick, I didn't want to go get the waters out of his truck and so he opted to carry them up the stairs himself. I told him I would have done it later, but he wouldn't listen. I miss him every single day. I will never not miss him. But I wished he would have listened to me and my Mom.
So, when I want to torture myself, I come here and get re-experience someone else's loss and grief because their father wouldn't listen to them either.
The cut scene with Jaina's mum has "Jaina's Theme" playing during clip. Definitely worth checking out, one of the most beautiful and I am sure alot of wow players would agree one of the best pieces of music they done :)
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Oh yeah. When Jaina's mother went to rescue her from the world of nightmare, it was strong. After all, Jaina reproaches herself, for which she left Arthas during the cleansing of Straholm. The necromancer infected the population of this city with a plague. Plague turns into zombies. Arthas decided to slaughter the population until they became servants of the Darkness. Jaina and Uther the Lightbringer left him. Controversial decision. On the one hand, he stopped the infection in the kingdom, on the other, the blood of his subjects
Damned if you do and don’t sort of thing 😢
So looking forward part 9 guys thank you so much 😊 ❤️
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The 'dream' sequence was two of Jaina's key moments. The first one is her betrayal of Arthas (she had made a promise to never deny him) which eventually led to a downward spiral that ruined him. (it was confirmed that if she had stayed with him in that moment, she would have been the anchor that kept him from losing himself to his rage). They were in love, and she never moved on from him.
The second one is when her father landed at Theramore (the city she ruled) in Kalimdor (after the warcraft 3 campaign) and immediately started a war with the horde, occupying Theramore as a base. She stood by while the horde assaulted the city to kill him.
I’ve often said that the things I regret most are those which I haven’t done. Seems to be the same for Jaina 😥
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames I personally found that confirmation to be a relief, because the writers clearly make Arthas out to be a tragic figure, and Jaina's betrayal has a clear and defined scar from that moment that he carries with him right to the end. He is not this infallible paladin hero: He's a man who got overwhelmed by the situation... and at one of his moment vulnerable, had no support structure to advise him.
Uthur couldn't possible do it due to his position. Jaina was literally the only person in the world in that moment who could have kept him from making that fatal mistake on judgment eventually... and she blames herself for being too weak at the time to even try.
Granted, he was who he was, but we're human, and we're social creatures. All the naysayers who say 'he made the choice' like to forget that no one is infallible, and he was a young man who after that point felt alone.
Right up to the end, there was a piece of that core Arthas within the Lich King too. He kept her locket, and her finding it causes her to breakdown in guilt over not trying to rescue him.
People like to forget he was the first victim of that blade.
I really like your videos they are excellent I don't know who makes the playlist but sometimes some videos are missing but hey it doesn't matter the main thing is there
Yeah sometimes it’s missing or out of order but this journey is mainly to give us some base knowledge to work off of going forward as we do more WoW stuff 🥳 Glad you are enjoying the videos 😀
Cant wait for the second half 😊
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@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames aye lord admiral 😜✌️☝🏿
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I REALLY Hope u Will react to all Warcraft 3 ingame cutscenes 🙏. (I see ur reactions 4 the 5. Time hehe" 👍👍👍
Alot of Jaina backstory content in it ☝️
This is where Warcraft Storytelling is still makes sense.
2 main things, Sylvannus still doing stuff for a huge reason. And Kultiran are worst people in wow history.
Another thing I noticed, many cinematic you guys are watching are Alliance perspective of cinematic. There are full versions of cinematic, or I recommend horde side cinematic because horde side usually see whole picture.
This is main thing in Warcraft, alliance always only see half of picture to antagonising horde.
While horde side see whole thing to play the victim part.
These stories are mostly call back to events in history.
So to the Backstory :
1:50 - so Alliance invading Undercity because Sylvannus burnt the Teredessil.
Undercity - the former Loredron city, where Arthas killed his father and killed his people and raised them as undead. When Sylvannus broke free from Arthas, she saved many civilians which are now undead race called "forsaken" and established kingdom there as Undercity.
6:00 - Sylvannus used a dirty move using improved plague of undead on Alliance army. Plague of undead is the bioweapon used by Licking. And Jaina come to save Alliance.
(Missing Cinematic) - horde side cutscene before Confrontation.
7:25 - Confrontation between Sylvannus and Anduin. Genn, Jaina and Aleria also present there.
Bain, Lothemar and Nathanos can be seen on Sylvannus ship.
(Fun fact : this cut scene and Arthas killing his father cinematic should watch side by side to see similarities, same place, same actions)
10:15 - this part have some backstory. "Sarufang" (the old soldier) was captured by alliance during Loredron battle.
Small team of elites send to Alliance capital to save Sarufang but he refused to come.
Meanwhile we met with Princes "Talanji" the crowned princes of zandalar. And "Zul" the prophet of Zandalar. Horde rescue them and escaped with their own captured ship.
And as you see in Cinematic, alliance follow the ship and Talanji use Rezan, Loa of kings' power to escape to Zandalar.
15:10 & 13:15 - since horde escape to Zandalar, and Zandalari hold full power over seas. Alliance turned to Thier old allies, Kultiran for aid.
And there Jaina meets her Mom Catherine and her advisor "Lady Ashvane". And Ashvane decided to exile Jaina into the "Drustvar"
Drustvar is ancient abundant landmass In Kultiran, long story, but main thing, land play with your head to driven people crazy.
16:42 - meanwhile in Zandalar, a sub faction of trolls called Bloodtrolls invade Zandalar. Later we found it was "Zul" behind this attack. A betrayer within. And this battle end with death of "Rezan, the Loa of kings".
And "King Rastakhan" after lossing his god he worship make a deal with Bhonsambdi.
19:40 - Catherine with us search Jaina in Drustvar, Jaina already having illusions from past.
21:27 - this frame shows 6 people she lost and she feel guilt about. From left to right.
Ronan - her Mentor Sacrificed his life at Theromor, she feel guilty about Theromor nuke.
Kinndy (between Ronan and Varian) - her student Sacrificed her life during theormor.
Varrian - her friend, king of Alliance killed in broken shore by Guldan in previous Cinematic.
Uther ( behind Jaina) - mentor to Arthas, he's one of first to killed after Arthas kill his father.
Dailen - her father died in hands of Rexxar because she couldn't change him.
Arthas - her lover lost to dark path, became Licking.
22:22 - back in Zandalar again, Zul has awakened "Mythrax", one of servants of oldgods. And he invade Dazaralor the capital of Zandalar to destroy the seal of Ghuun. More on that later.
And Zul is not killed there. He did return one more time.
24:30 - back In Kultiran, lady Ashvane shows her true colours, attacking the capital Boralus with army of pirate. But Jaina uses the necklace as a beacon to summon Kultiran fleet back home.
Stort of Loa -
Loa are powerful beings oftenly worship as gods or feared as demons In wow universe.
Loa are empowered or created by much more stronger beings line Titans or other forces, and Oftenly held power over life or death.
There are no definite powerlevel to loas, it depends on how they gain power.
Loas technically immortal, because when they killed they will return, reborn In emerald dream sooner or later. Thier soul is very powerful than a normal mortal.
Known loas seen In Cinematics -
Rezan (T-rex) - Loa of kings, powered by Titan Eonar.
Bhonsambdi - Loa of death, powered by death.
Cenarius - Centaur guy in Illidian's memories, he's the teacher of Illidian and he teach drudism. He's also powered by Eonar.
August Celestials - Chiji the red Crain, Niuzao the BlackOx, Xuen the White Tiger and Yulon the Jade serpent. 4 guardians of Pandaria you saw In Shauhao cinematics. All 4 are powered by Eonar.
Druids and Shadowhunters. - 2 main classes in wow universe. They are are connected to loas granting them power. In wow Classic cinematic, a girl transform to a panther. This power is from a Loa called Ashmane, basically a cat loa.
Druids usually gain power from good loas while Shadowhunters gain power from dark loas.
Ghunn, the 5th oldgod -
million years ago, After Titan armies seal the oldgods, a race native to Azorath start to rise In power. That's Trolls. And they Oftenly fought against remaining old god armies. 5 huge troll empires and Zandalar act as main empire.
During this time a titan keeper known as MOTHER experiment on oldgod power, but she accidentally create a artificial mini oldgod named Ghuun. The 5th oldgod. He's weeker in power, so MOTHER sealed him in the facility with 2 additional keys guarding it. And those given to Zandalari to protect it.
Mythrax, a old god army general found about this 5th god and attempt to free him. He invade one of keys. This key is guarded by the Loa Sethraliss, the snake Loa. She sacrifices her life to defeat Mythrax, but he manage to destroy the seal in last sec. This event out Mythrax into deep sleep.
And In present time, Zul awakened Mythrax and Mythrax Attack the last seal breaking the releasing the Ghuun.
This lead to next Raid to kill Ghuun, and Released the MOTHER from her job.
Cause she will join us in future of BFA.
Thanks so much for all the extra info! And yes these are more alliance focused but for some reason the horde ones get more copyright claims on them 🤔🤗
About Sylvannas: just watch a little more cinematics that came with Shadowlands and also the newest one, then you see another perspective to her :D
That’s not “another perspective” to her it’s just bad writing meant to excuse the character so they don’t have to kill her off Bc Danuser is obsessed w her
@@SirenRyan i agree with you on that. I never played the mmo but I've always followed the lore, and sylvanas was one of those compelling characters for me. She is ruthless and cruel but she had another tender side as well, since she showed that she cares for her people the forsaken. Just like Cersei cares for her family. Shadowlands just ruined her character arc for me by justifying that "ohh it wasnt really her, it was her dark side." Really really bad writing. Blizzard's trying so hard to project themselves into sylvanas
@@labra6969 Exactly. I've never been a fan of her BUT she does have a very interesting and compelling backstory and motives and past for the past TWENTY irl years of Warcraft content, and I feel as if this new Shadowlands storyline is spitting on that and all of the people who loved that by saying it wasnt her and that the Banshee who did those things is gone now
Looking forward to another perspective 🙂
the power of a death god, but fighting one with the power of the old gods
Sylvanas was grey to begin with.
She fought as leader of the elven rangers the lichking so hard that as a punishment he raised her as a Banshee took away her free will and used her to slaugther her own people that she tried to defend. While she was enslaved and killed who she was ordered to kill she saw everything without a chance to resist or influence what her body did.
When she broke free from his control, all she can think of was to get revenge on Arthas and end the lichking. Everything she did was to reach this goal. There she did more than one questionable thing but largly remained grey.
Than the Lichking was beaten and endet in Wrath of the Lichking and she decided to find peace and killed herself, only to awaken in a realm of neverending torture. She was rescued from this place and from this Moment her goal shiftet to stay undead at every cost to not go back to that realm. In more than one way she had a connection to Varian, the father of Anduin and she respected him long before he died and she became warchief.
From here on an other Leadwriter took the reigns, the story from sylvanas changed so she became a massmurderer bound to kill hope, from the calculating person that she was she has gone to an unstable person that was triggered to do stupid things everytime if somebody say hope. Most of the playerbase was not happy with this because everything she did no longer fits the person she was before. But this is far from over because you will follow her in quiet some other cutscenes.
Looking forward to seeing more of her even if we don’t like the direction she’s going 🙂
Yeah i remember the begin of BfA where every sylvanas "fan" (me included) was like "i mean she has a good reason for that right? Right???" and then the whole stuff around Shadowlands (i wont spoil bc they aint there yet) i just were like "ok?i guess that IS a goal but wtf???"
And while i still would wish it for her she is so long over any redemption arc at this point would be just illogical silly
the throne room that sylvanas is in when confronted by anduin....is the same room where arthas killed his father!
🤯 and it all comes full circle 😯
HAHAHAHA GOOD GOOD This is my Good Friend Bwonsamdi!
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20:00 I sware no matter how many times i see this, i can't help but shed tears
The in-game story telling is quite weak but the quest line that this cinematic is part of is by far the best
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3:55 because by itself is one of the best "for the horde" war cries delivered in cinematics, putting aside the horrific war crimes, its a cool moment in isolation. 5:37 Sorry Bethany, it's no way better than the Horde one lol
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"For the Alliance" will always and forever sound ridiculous. I know that they are trying to make it a thing, but it really goes against the Alliance fantasy of separate nations temporarily banding together to form a united front against external threats of which one is The Horde. "For the Horde" works, because it's actually one nation organized into distinct states where external nations can apply to join as a new state.
@@yannym4605 Exactly, they didnt start really saying it till later xpacs IIRC, I cant remember when it started exactly but I remember everyone horde and alliance saying it was lame to copy the horde
So jainas backstory goes as this. Jaina was the leader of her neutral city nation Theramore. When the new horde was forming she aided them cuz she wanted them to live in peace with the rest of azeroth. When her father came and saw a new horde forming he wanted to go to war with them cuz all he knew was the old horde that invaded and ravaged the planet. When her father refused to see reason and still insisted on annihaleting the horde she saw no other option but to ‘stand aside’ and let the horde to kill his father for peace( cut off the head of the snake mentality) Much later when Garrosh became warchief of the horde who was adamant on waging war on everybody he led an assault on Theramore which obviously had ties to the alliance but was generally neutral. He knew Bain(the tauren leader who was friends with jaina) would warn her thus baiting alliance reinforcements and key figures into the city and then dropped a manabomb on it(basically nuking the city) which resulted in everyone in it except jaina dying. Hence her guilt and hatred towards the horde. I would advise rewatching her warbingers cinematic after knowing this cuz basically this is what the song daughter of the sea is about. Its the tale told from the perspactive of her fathers man after they returned to kul tiras. Also she used to have blond hair, but when Garrosh dropped the bomb on Theramore she was pushed through a portal to safety in the last moment but the bombs energy touched her hair turning it white.
Thanks for giving us Jaina’s backstory! We plan on watching more of her once our initial journey is over 🙂
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Happy to help, if you have any questions feel free to ask :)
i love your reaction,
Merry Christmas! 🥳🥳
The second half of this is probably going to be disjointed (if my memory serves me), but I'm excited to see your reaction to the rest of the "Old Soldier" series. Saurfang's story is probably the closest thing to a story told completely in the cinematics other than the Tale of Shaohao. I think you will really like it.
We are looking forward to more of Saurfang 😀
“Why does that still give me chills?” Because your obviously horde married to an alliance member.
lol easy now, let's not break this couple up.
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Will say Bwonsambi actually isn't that bad as a Loa of Death. When the Maw(Basically Hell) in the Shadowlands was consuming everyones souls when they died, he was actually using his power to keep Troll Souls from reaching the Maw. But like any Loa he does have his own interests in mind(Since souls do empower him), he's more morally grey than anything. But he does honor the deals he makes.
Also the lightning strike revealing the Kul Tiran Fleet is still one of the coolest shots they've done.
That was indeed an amazing shot 🤩
Very cool reaction Ken and Bethany world of warcraft is awesome 👍😎
Thanks, Jeff! 😀
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames you're welcome 👍
You have Sylvanas slightly wrong.
Yes, she made life her enemy.
However, she doesn't want everyone to die.
It's more like she's completely indifferent to what happens to people due to what she knows about the afterlife.
Blizzard made this almost exact character story arch so much better with Kerrigan in StarCraft.
She is the main villain for a lot of the series, but actually, 100% gets redeemed. Not her actions, but rather what she becomes.
We look forward to checking out the Starcraft 2 cinematics and the Queen of Blades 😁🤩
If im right only Arthas had such a strong bond with light, that was capable of ressurecting so many people. After that only Anduin
Damn impressive for Anduin then to be in that kind of company 😯
Nah, Arthas wasn't even that good at holy magic in general. He was noted to be very skilled as a warrior, but showed little interest in the teachings of the light. (And a lot of the Order of the Silver Hand felt he was being pushed along faster than he should've been due to nepotism/favoritism). (he's basically a retribution paladin).
Anduin was a holy priest who gradually learned to fight once he had to step-up and try to fill his father's shoes, though he's still not that good at it (he's basically just a priest that can use swords and platemail..but is otherwise still a holy priest).
The videos here are not in order. The old soldier cinematic was before the Battle for Azeroth, and Jaina's nightmare was before her arrival to Kul Tiras
can't wait next video that was cool to watch
Glad you enjoyed it. Monday is part 9 🥳
When you reach Shadowlands: some cinematic are private’s by the World of Warcraft channel, though i guess some other creators reuploaded them
Ah, well we will see what is allowed and what isn’t. And hope for the best 🙂
the way they entered is the same way arthas entered back in WC3
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One interesting thing to note in Jainas BFA storyline is while she shows remorse for failing to stop others from committing atrocities (her father attacking the horde unprovoked and Arthas purging Stratholm) she shows little to no remorse for her own crimes.
In Mists of Pandaria, after Theramore's destruction Jaina finds out that a Blood Elf faction in Dalaran helped the horde with stealing an artifact from the Alliance (breaking Dalarans policy of neutrality.)
The faction was expelled from Dalaran with Jaina ordering the use of lethal force which resulted in many civilian casualties (in the quest you can see Jaina walking around killing npcs with the “Feared” animation triggered, indicating that they have surrendered).
Later, in BFA, a Surviving Blood Elf seeks vengeance on Jaina and at first she don’t seem to remember the purge stating “I have no quarrel with you”
The full dialogue goes.
Magister Hathorel says: Indeed she did, traitor. You and Lady Proudmoore.
Jaina Proudmoore says: I have no quarrel with you.
Magister Hathorel says: Have you forgotten the purge of Dalaran, murderer? Today, the Sunreavers will be avenged.
Jaina Proudmoore says: Then your vendetta is with me, and me alone!
Magister Hathorel says: No! You will watch your friends die--just as I did!
Dont forget her attempt at wiping out Orgrimmar and most of Durotar with a tsunami made of elementals
A little addendum to the Purge of Dalaran. After imprisoning Aethas Sunreaver in the Violet Hold, Jaina starts patrolling the streets with two water elementals. Some Sunreavers she teleports into Violet Hold, some she kills. She doesn't kill all of them out of hand.
Vereesa Windrunner on the other hand... She's very up front that you should kill every Sunreaver you come across in the quests you get from her.
She's been itching for an excuse to kill them ever since Theramore, where Rhonin died, and she was not happy when Jaina let them stay in the city and maintained Dalaran's neutrality earlier in the Pandaria campaign.
After Jaina discovers it was the Sunreavers that stole the Divine Bell from Darnassus, she says this (Jaina's Resolution):
"For too long, I have toiled to mend fences between Alliance and Horde. Time and time again, I've given the Horde the benefit of the doubt - and time and time again, they stab me in the back.
I refuse to be betrayed again! If the Horde intends to use the Kirin Tor as a weapon against the Alliance, then they have no place in Dalaran.
Come with me, ."
While Vereesa says this (Sewer Cleaning):
"Jaina's doing a good job taking care of Sunreavers above ground, but there's still plenty rooting around in the sewers.
Go find those lying rats and exterminate them!"
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"The Sunreaver's Sanctuary is still crawling with those Horde-loving Sunreavers.
Jaina will have sent the reasonable ones to the Violet Hold. The rest refuse to leave, raising their weapons against us.
Show them the cost of their defiance. They now face the judgment of the Alliance, the Silver Covenant, and the Kirin Tor!"
@@Orapac4142 Yes, but unlike Arthas, she listened when people close to her told her to stop.
Thanks for sharing that but if dialogue 😯😀
Blizz genius writting at work once again...
Always loved the Battle for Azeroth cinematic ... they just show the leaders of the factions in such a good way of anti-thesis Sylvanas being a banshee queen that brings mostly death wherever she goes and leader of the Horde while Anduin wielding his fathers sword is still a Priest at his roots so he can use the power of the Light to heal/ revive his army
Edit : Small little fun fact is that Arthas and Jaina had a thing in common in Warcraft 3 until Arthas snapped at the Culling of Stratholme ( he slaughtered a entire city of his followers due to them being infected with a plague that would turn them into zombies at 19:55 " This Entire City must be purged " )
Oh damn. Well, he wasn’t wrong if they were all going to be zombies but still…can see how that would turn Jaina off 😯
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames Well Arthas went downhill the darkside path from that moment .. from a Noble Paladin to a Paladin crazed with vengeance to Finding Frostmourne and corrupting him into a Death Knight to gettin called by Nerzhul ( Nerzhul was the orc shaman that mentored Guldan and got punished by the Burning Legion attaching his soul into the Lich King Armor/ Helmet) . When Arthas became the Lich King it was him and Nerzhul's soul merging together
The sword Anduin is using is what Arthas truly needed. The Ashbringer. Just like a phoenix from the ashes shall rise again. Standing as One for the Alliance!
Bwonsamdi is similar in appearance to Ryuk from Death Note and in character to Hades from the animated series Hercules.
Oh nice. He did seem somewhat familiar to us 😀
iirc, Sylvanas' dialogue in BFA was written quite a while before the cinematic, and had a different context to it when it was written. Chris Metzen (who I think wrote it before he left Blizzard) was surprised that it was used for BFA's trailer.
And considering Teldrassil's burning taking place before the Battle of Lordaeron (we had known that Teldrassil and Undercity / Lordaeron were going to be destroyed as part of BFA's storyline, we just didn't know in what order / who attacked who first as that was kept a secreit for a bit), and knowing what we know now in Shadowlands, her line here narratively makes no sense.
Someone please correct me if anything I wrote is wrong.
No they completly and utterly dropped the ball and massacred Years of character building.
There are cinematics of this expansion that you didn't react to in this video, like the Sauerfang cinematics, form example. Have you seen them already before or will you do another part where you will react to the rest of them?
This is just the first half. The Saurfang ones will come next week. But we did old soldier in a separate reaction you can see here ruclips.net/video/7_7DHhUygjc/видео.html
Bit of a necro post, and maybe I missed the comment that mentions this, but to contextualize just how horrible and tragic of a life Jaina has had -- she's approximately 36 years old by this expansion. She's literally been in one war or another since she was 23 years old (when Warcraft III takes place). This means she saw Arthas fall at age 23, founded Theramore at 24/25, lost her father within that year, saw Arthas die when she was 29/30, suffered the loss of Theramore (Mists of Pandaria) when she was 33 and nearly went mad, lost King Varian at age 35, and experienced the start of Battle for Azeroth while she was 35/36.
So, fun fact: Jaina has kinda aged in real-time along with the games (lots of characters do). When we first met her in Warcraft 3 she was somewhere in her early twenties. Now, she is in her mid-thirties. And she's always been around close to the main characters, and undergone so much. Seeing her take center stage this time was incredibly satisfying.
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STAND AS ONE! FOR THE ALLIANCE !
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yess!! i was wating for your reaction to the journey of Jaina.
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Jaina vs Elsa
Elsa kicked up an entire ice castle like it was nothing.
The amount of energy required to do that is just off the scale due to the high thermal capacity water has.
Elsa was also able to create life from non-life to a non-living host body.
Jaina on the other hand is capable of more than just manipulating water.
Including teleportation and force fields,
Jaina also has the experience advantage both strategically and tactically as Elsa hasn't seen that much combat.
However, in a death battle between Jaina and Elsa, there is one trait that trumps over all in this battle.
"The cold never bothered me anyway."
Elsa is practically immune to ice and chill attacks while Jaina doesn't really have these as immunities as much as resistance.
Also the sheer power difference between the 2 is so immense that it trumps over versatility and experience.
So I would say that in a 1 vs 1, Elsa wins. However, in a grander scheme of things, Jaina is more useful as a unit to the whole army group due to the versatility.
Thank you so much for doing a death battle in the comments in Jaina vs Elsa! 😀 That’s amazing 🤩😁🥳🤗
I think you should have seen the full cinematic of BFA in order thats show some scenes from the ingame so you can understand better from the channel Athelarius there is an 1 hour video that shows you the whole cinematics in order
Only 1 hour for the full vid? 😯 we are splitting this up in two and they are both over 30 minutes I think and it didn’t have them all 🤔
@@DefinitelyNotDefinitiveGames i don't mean literally 1 hour XD its 1:46:29 long + the in game cutscenes are shorter but have some information but its fine i hope now you know what happened from the comments
It's funny because everyone Jaina has dated has turned into a raidboss. First Arthas then Kalecgos.
She only dates bosses 😎🤟
I like King Rastikan... the Zandalari are a super cool race.
The city they are fighting over at the start, Lordaeron, is the former capital of the alliance. This is where Arthas murdered his father, while Jaina was his love interest. After the lich king events the scourge have taken over and the Forsaken (which were once humans) took shelter in the very same city. Neglected by the Alliance, they joined the Horde. The moment Anduin steps in the city gates there's a moment where he looks at it like "Wow... The history of this place.".
Jana had a cool story. these days she is mostly used as a teleporter to make it possible to have important people in places they should not be
Waste of her talents 🙃
How Anduin enters Lorderan mirrors how Arthas entered it. That connection will come back at some point.
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I think what we love about Sylvanas is her badassery and sassiness even though we know she is damaged goods.
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Jaina has been through more than any other fictional character ever in my opinion like it’s just crazy 😂
...These you do are my favorties, but I would see if you could find them in order so as to get the full benefit of the story as well...but love it!... keep going!...
Yeah there were a couple that got mixed up. For the most part the list we were given has been in order but we at least spotted that something was amiss when the necklace reappeared 🤗