Hey Drew. Nice job on the video. At 12:31 where you talk about your favorite shot being the kick shot I suggest that showing that shot as a viable choice isn’t good for the 4’s on your team. Even as a joke it’s a good way to give away ball in hand instead of playing safe and leaving the table in some control of the situation. I like that you play most of the shots center cue ball
Oh man, yeah, this was definitely tongue-in-cheek Dave. I hate kick shots haha and I’m terrible at them! If you see my videos and see my wildly miss kick shots and give up ball-in-hand all the time, you’d get it 😂 But you’re right, 4’s kick a ball thats cuttable/bankable, is one time where I will USUALLY yank a timeout. No sense in giving the opponent ball-in-hand for no reason whatsoever!! Especially when the kick is likely gonna leave you on the rail afterwards anyway!!! Thanks for the feedback!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
This may take a minute to describe but if you practice it kick-shot fear and various single bank shots will become relatively easy. I wish I could give you a diagram but bear with me. If you are trying to kick a ball that is on the Left side of the table relative to where the cue-ball is envision a large mirror on the Right side of the table (the direction that you are shootin at to hit the rail and then kick into the object ball) anyway imagine the mirror and mentally picture where your object ball would be in the mirror image. Now don't pay attention to anything else, Aim your cueball directly at that mirrored object ball and you will ALWAYS hit your intended ball as long as you don't add spin (when you have developed this technique you can start utilizing spin too but at first try to avoid spin because it will definately impact your accuracy. Likewise this technique can be used to play bank shots, just envision where the pocket that you are trying to bank into is in the mirror and shoot your object ball as iff you are aiming directly into the mirrored pocket. The physics of this would make sense to you if you had a diagram but the physics are very obvious and simple and if you practice this until it becomes natural, kick and bank shot fear will become a thing of the past.
I don't know if you mentioned this or not, but when you showed the running English to open up the angle (~13:30): don't use any follow, just the left side of the ball. I remember when I first started using English, I would always keep follow or draw in there, too -- especially follow. When you keep that follow in, you don't get as much action off the rail. When you use slow-medium speed, the English really takes off the rail. (Obviously in this case you want slow speed, but the speed that works the best for lengthening an angle is "running-med-slow".) It looks so cool, too! That's the best part!
I did actually, briefly! I saw a video/reel/short recently showing a shot Jayson Shaw did like this, and they noted that using LOW+english helps getting more action. So in these shots, I used low+left. I ALSO would always lean towards using top + spin for these shots, so that was a little bit of an eye opener! Now I wonder if your suggestion of just left and no top/bottom wouldve been better! Thanks for the feedback!!! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Thanks! I hope I can find time to make some videos soon. I have a lot of ideas and stuff I want to share, but not enough time. I'm actually working full time on a language channel. Anyways, looking forward to seeing your channel grow!
At 3:12, that isn't the tangent line. The tangent line is always a direct 90° line perpendicular to the pocket line you are shooting the ball on. You're probably referring to the natural rolling cue ball path. Telling players that you are showing the tangent isn't correct at all. This could confuse a lot of beginning players when trying to learn the actual tangent line when stunning the ball and trying to utilize it for cue ball control. Good video though.
It is, yes! I addressed this in another comment, but maybe I should pin one at the top :/ For whatever reason, I've always just called the cue ball's path the "tangent line". I learned a lot later in my pool life that the tangent line is very specific and a fixed line. Since people are actually gonna watch this (lol 7k! I can't believe it!), I need to tighten things up, because that's just sloppy. I don't want to confuse people... My apologies!!! Thank you for this feedback, it's important, and I absolutely welcome comments like this!
Yeah. I love this idea of this drill, will most likely incorporate in my training schedule. When i heard you say tangent, i cringed a little. I know you know it wasn’t. It’s amazing how many people can’t explain tangent, rolling ball exit angle, rolling ball, forced follow, stun variations, etc. Geat video, Bertin
Yes, I'd like to see more position videos. I'm a first time watcher and a highly skilled player. I like your presentation and voice. I shall look forward to watching your videos. I realize that you profit from my participation and I shall gladly patronize you. Good luck.
I assure you, at least at this time, the work I put into the videos FAR outweighs profit, but hopefully someday!! Thank you for your participation!! It’s good to know that this is still good content for the highly skilled as I’m SURE you are aware of this concept! My goal here is to make the higher skill play concepts digestible for the mid-range players still learning 👊🏼🤙🏼 Thank you for your input!! 🙏🏼
Awesome Noah! That’s all I’m trying to do here, just talk about the *actual* important concepts that seem to get missed! Let’s see how many we can clear up!!! Thanks for the feedback and for the sub!!
Excellent video with ez to understand explanation. I'm going to send this to the 3's and 4's on my team. One thing that I will add to though, is that if you're cutting the ball from a good distance down table it's much harder to hold, and much harder to make with spin. From where their two shots originated, I would tell my player not to even consider trying to hold from there. Just use the shot you're most comfortable with, but just a bit more juice in the follow through. You do great work. Very much appreciate.
Thank you so much George, really appreciate that 👊🏼 Yes, I agree. The shot Alex took on the 13 ball was incredibly difficult, and I really learned something myself trying to hit both with JUICE and with SPIN. Holy deflection, Batman. Agree that I would just hit the shot as ‘true’ as you can, but with some steam behind it so you don’t get stuck in the mud 💯💯 I never ask my teammates to use spin, UNLESS they’re comfortable with it. I cringe everytime I hear a captain try to suggest “inside spin” to their 3 during a timeout 🫠 Just wanted to introduce some spin concepts for knowledge more than anything! Thanks for the feedback!!
These are so helpful, especially for SL2-4. Even SL5 and up can learn from these as a refresher and seeing things from a new perspective. Its really important to understand what whitey wants to do naturally and use to spin to manipulate slightly and speed/spin increases difficulty aiming
This is an excellent video Drew, knowing when to hold, how to hold and knowing when to send and how to send are highly important in position play. For me as a player I feel it's important to also know when to bank and when to play a defensive shot. I personally leave banks as a last resort and rather go for a defensive shot to try to get ball in hand.
That is awesome to hear!!! Thanks for the feedback man!! 👊🏼👊🏼 This takes a lot of time to make these so it’s good to know it was worth it for some people 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte got a question, what equipment do you use to shoot your videos? I always wanted to record my APA matches but purely to review it and address errors I have made during them.
Yes it is! I wish there were more people making youtube videos back when I was learning in the first year or 3 😬😬 if for nothing else but to see how people play and see the game!
I think that's a great little drill. Seems like it would be great to do before a match. I feel like I have a good instinct on when you can't hold it anymore, but alot of time when I send it, it still ends up a little short. Doing this should help dial it in before a game! Thanks
Awesome, thanks! I'm going to double down on this and say, shots like this are GREAT right before a match on the table you are playing on specifically. Seeing how much UMPH you need to get the cue ball down and back will tell your monkey brain lots about the speed of the table and get it a little dialed in before the money hits the felt! Thanks Devin!
Great vid man! I've learned to _rarely_ hold, it depends so much on cloth and the minute amounts of vertical spin / changes of stroke that in tight situations, it's more likely sending it will get you shape. I've played a couple games recently on a UK table, with their wool cloth, and holding on these is a breeze tho! Oh and unrelated: I think you used the word "tangent" a couple times while there were no tangents to be seen.
I agree! Is that why the brits hold the cue ball so well in their 8-ball matches?!?!? WOOL?! 😂😂😂😂 (and the tiny cue ball) Yes, sorry, I’ve addressed my “tangent” vocabulary several times in the comments 🤦🏻♂️ it won’t happen again. I was egregiously misusing the term 😅
As for Mike's match situation 2. The seven ball with a very light hit, bringing it onto the table and sending the q toward the six safety, causing the opponent to have to bank their remaining stripe. His probably the best move
On number two, probably hold this one with some bottom inside. The inside lets you hit the shot a bit thicker which reduces how far the cue ball gets from you after contact. And the spin not only gets you a good angle, but allows you to keep the shot pretty soft and still make the shot because a spinning ball gets more action than a sliding ball hit at the same speed.
Man, comparing Mike's shot to the latter portion of the video, where I demo the inside spin shot you're talking about.... that's thin as hell...! That would be a very difficult shot! And this is the part where I set it up and say "put your money where your mouth is then!" 🤣🤣🤣
@@drewvonporte Absolutely difficult, for sure! And in a match scenario, I may end up falling flat on my face but I'm ok with it. I don't think it can get much flatter based on past experiences! 🤣 Which brings up a point that certainly adds to the difficulty: We can line these shots up many times, and maybe even successfully pull them off but replicating other important factors (stress, pressure, confidence level, stakes, how tired we may be, etc) is next to impossible and that not only affects how we shoot but which shot we'll attempt altogether 🙂
@@drewvonporte Actually scratch that, I'm sending that one too!! I watched his again and see that his cue ball is MUCH further back and thinner than I'd thought the shot originally was. I guess I was thinking of it being closer to where you'd started those shots from the paper savers at 14:05 and couldn't figure out why you thought it was a particularly difficult attempt. I'm gonna correct myself on this one and save the likely faceplant for a shot with a potentially better payoff 🤣🤣
I'm familiar with this concept of tightening the angle with some juice when talking about BANKS... Have not thought about it with rail position, which should apply...! In this case, speed of landing the cue ball is sort of important, but still! This is a great comment!!
In the examples you showed by far the best way is to use inside english to widen the cue ball. Doing this can make getting position on a lot of shots much easier - certainly easier than going up and down. Having said that, players should learn to go up and down (sending it) and how to use english to widen the cue ball. Once you practice this a bit it really is not hard and can help you win a lot of games.
Awesome! Thank you so much for this feedback! How “easy” (quoting you: “..really is not hard”) it is to hit such a soft shot with THAT much spin…. isn’t something I’d consider very easy. Gotta have really good stroke mechanics, then maybe! Most players at a SL-4 range are definitely still working on perfecting a good stroke (as am i 😂). Maybe easy for some, but idk. I would recommend sending it myself, and would only shoot the inside spin-and-hold shot if I was in-stroke but 🤷🏻♂️ REGARDLESS- thanks for your input!! Being familiar with this situation is most important 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte I think there are shots that are easy to master with only a couple of hours of practice and those shorter inside shots are one of them. I used to think these shots were hard. Then I watched a Tor Lowry video on them and actually spent about three hours just practicing them. For me it was relatively easy to figure the shot out. And once you do, that shot opens up huge position play advantages as you showed in your video. I think people get intimidated with certain shots - but hitting them hundreds of times makes them much easier.
Tor’s stuff is so good 🔥 I appreciate the perspective! I can tell you are passionate about the game. I’m going to take your advice, and work on this with my SL-5. I still feel like it’s a tough shot for your average SL-4 but I digress!! Thank you for this feedback and I look forward to more from you in the future!!
A shot definitely that is not talked about! Not a big fan of 8 ball played it all my life so I am more invested in 10 and 9 ball! Regardless of that the shot is dicey one and the knowledge shared here is crucial! I have and idea of how I would play it as well but the reminder is helpful tbh! The reverse spin shot three you did you could have also showed the inside spin version as well!
New to your channel. Helpful to understand or somewhat comprehend options. Potting the OB and placing (parking) the CB seem to be the biggest issues. Creativity might be next. Great job!
I always tell my players to get really good at potting before you start to really unwind position play. From experience, I can assure you this game becomes INCREDIBLY frustrating when you know what you need to do, but you just miss more than you want to..... but yes! Let's get creative!! Thanks for coming in ! I've got some cool stuff coming 💪🏼👊🏼
Just discovered your channel, I have to say this is great content. Keep them coming, we can all learn from this. Novice or advanced it does not matter. Just subbed
Ok, I'm back. In the First segment you asked how could they shoot the shot better. The guy shooting the 13/10 is really in a jam because if he doesn't run out the other guy will but he is in a really tricky position because the pot on the 13 is a fairly sharp angle and so it is not very likely that he can kick into the 10 with low-right spin. He may be able to use that same spin to kick into the 8 but that is a high risk shot because the 8 is heading for the side and could carom in off the 1. So, again, considering his opponents` balls he really must clear up and his chosen attack clearly left him no shot at the 10 so my only suggestion would have been to play the 13 with pocket weight (just enough speed to get the 13 to sink) and a little right hand spin would slightly change the angle that the cue balll takes off the rail, bearing in mind tha you don't want to hit this very hard. Ultimately you're trying to decrease the distance that the cueball travels back up the rail so that you have at least a shot, even a tough angle, at the 10 in the corner because otherwise, you're toast. Now, that said, if he's a 4 another option would be to clip the 10 very lightly on the Right to use the Black to hook the 6-ball and the 1-ball from that position would be very difficult. Personally if I were in this situation with another very good player I would choose option One because if I miss I'm dead, if I were playing a weaker player I would likely choose option 2.. Cheers.. Ok, One last thing, after the Second cat made the thin cut you described both of these shots as good shots, I would have to disagree with you on a tactical plane. Sinking a ball , no matter how difficult, is not a good shot if you don't get position. Why is that? Because you have removed one more obstacle that your opponent doesn't have to worry about. But sinking a ball without securing position you have essentially made it easier for your opponent to run out. My advice to you if you want to get better is unless you can be assured of position, look first for an opportunity to either hook/safety your opponent or at the least make it more difficult. JUst a tactical suggestion, lets say you have 3 makeable balls and one you don't know what you're going to do to get at it, maybe sink one of your easy balls then go safe. Now you have 3 balls on the table for your opponend to try to figure a way around. So, again, i fyou make a audience-pleasing hail-mary shot and have no position to continue your opponent is going to sink the Black. Yeah you made a good shot but you didn't win. Really it's the differance between a bar player and a tournament player. I'll shut up now.
When I described these as “good shots”, I guess what I meant to say was “good pots”. When I set these up, I realized that these balls were actually difficult to even pot, (especially Alex’s shot on the 13) so I wanted to at least give them credit for making them…. But I all-but-crucified them for their position choices 😂 In both situations, when I commentated these videos Live, I said they were both very poor shot choices. I 100% understand 8-ball strategy that you described 👊🏼👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Ahh So! I really must phrase things differently. I didn't mean those remarks as a criticizm but more what I hoped would be a helpful perspective. Depending on where your APA league is the definition of a "4" is fluid. I've played 4's in States or Vegas that had great position play, great ball-sinking abilities but what to me is the single biggest seperator that seperates a 6 from a 7 is high-level safety play. I've seen "4's" that played like 4's all season then all of a sudden they're playing like 6's or 7's, I'm sure you know what I mean. Sadly the nature of APA, or at least used to be, that there is a lot of sandbagging, and to some degree it is necessary. It never affected me because I was always a 7 so there was no point in sandbagging. So, back to the point. if a 4 has a high level of safety play/tactical play then they should not be a 4, no matter how many shots they miss. It sounds to me that you are doing a great job with your team, including this feed. It is great that you are having your players go over their games and analysing what they could do differently. My comments are, for the most part, directed at you because I perceive you to be a higher-level player and hope that I can add some insight for you. IT seems to me that your approach will absolutely help to develop your players. As for me I'll ask this favor, never take what I say, or more particularly , how I say it, as criticism, it is meant as an alternate pov. Cheers.
@@Rabid-Pinocchio oh, no worries! Sorry if I came off defensive, I just truly appreciate the strategy of the game of 8-ball a lot, and knew exactly what you are saying. That same explanation of strategy you wrote, is something I say regularly to my teammates 😂😂 i really do appreciate your feedback! You should check out my latest video, as your feedback actually makes a cameo appearance…
@@drewvonporte 100% agree. having a well-rounded understanding of strategy, tactics, and basic fundamentals of stroke and stance will win you WAYYYYY more games than being a good potter or being able to make crowd-pleasing shots. I never cared one iota about what the crowd thought, even if it was some georgeous gals, Alll that kind of thinking is for the bar players. I only cared about one thing, sinking the Black or the 9, or in some cases the 10, you know what I mean. Winning is far more sexy than making an amazing shot and then losing. I started out as a student of snooker and back then I bought an extremely expensive video player (VHS is those days) so that I could slow-mo every single frame and study every single iota of what the pros did if they blinked or scratched their behind I wanted to know why. It sounds like you're of a similar bent. A shame we won't lock horns, I'm very ill and cannot play anymore but I am glad to see your enthusiasm. Cheers.
Oh man sorry to hear you aren’t able to play anymore man!! I hope channels like mine and others on RUclips help to fill a void in hanging out with friends watching idiots play pool 🥴
Oh man, for sure know when you gotta send it and when you can't hold it. Honestly don't know how much "training" or "drilling" would be needed for this. A little time spent gauging maybe what the angle looks like when you've run too far/short, but nothing fancy here, just add the Juice 💪 I can't iterate enough: When you dial up the strength, make sure to keep focus on the shot line and MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE BALL! That's the pitfall here! Thanks for watching and dropping feedback!
I prefer to hold or in this case we might better say use running/inside English when possible, like you show at the end. It requires slight adjustment, for more of a cut angle, which works against the position, but the spin more than makes up for that. I will have to try the low inside vs regular inside though when I get home, as you mentioned replying to an earlier comment that Jayson Shaw recommends this. At the low speed we're using, I don't know that high/low would make a difference after rolling even a short distance, and might just contribute to miscues or unintentional masse?
Yeah, feel free to test it out. I believe to get the most spin, you want the cue ball to hit the rail as close to 90 degrees as possible, and in cut shots like this, that may help. Honestly didn’t test anything, just went with it. And all of these spin shots were 1 take, and at the end of the session… and FELT AMAZING after playing Alex’s shot that was insanely difficult, wow, at least for me! Would love to have you come back to this comment once you tinker and hear what you think! Thanks for the input! 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte I'm still at work but was thinking more about it, the low hit probably makes it a drag shot so there is minimal forward cue ball roll at the moment it hits the object ball. So what Shaw said does make sense. Who knew a pro would know what he's talking about?
@@dougrobertson5907 it was working so well I didn’t even think about it until now 😅 I ALWAYS used to hit this with Top+inside, and i think the top opens the angle up away from 90 degrees and yes increases speed off of the rail too. Idk, give it a shot! (I’m waiting for one of the Fargo 700+’s chime in and call us noobs 😂😂😂)
I've only watched about 1 minute but you asked what they could do better. This is something that most players will miss but the first person has a much better stroke. An element of the stroke that is paramount is a pause at the back of the stroke before you strike the ball. Weaker players will have a see-saw action where they feather the ball a few times and then draw back and shoot forward in one, hurried, action. A seasoned player with a good stroke will feather a few times then draw back, at the back of the stroke they will pause slightly, and then shoot forward it a single motion. I absolutely guarantee that no matter what level of player you are if you develop this technique as a natural part of your stroke you will improve your aim as well as your cue-ball control. A word of caution, players trying to practice this will at first feather, draw back and pause, then draw back slightly then shoot forward. This action ruins the gain from pausing and so reallly pay attention to what you are doing. So, back to the question, what can you notice wrong? The Second player needs to work on his stroke. Speaking of stroke, at about 3.23 your are demonstrating a shot trying to sink the 2 and get position on the Black. If you watch your own stroke you shoot and move the butt of the cue to the Right as you are striking the ball... Bad habit, I would work on that...
This is great feedback! Personally, I don’t feel like my mechanics are strong enough to teach that sort of stuff here… at least not yet! That being said, I’m seeing what you mean in my stroke and it’s something I’m going to look into 👀 I’m sure Alex and Mike’s stroke isn’t perfect yet either, as they are 4’s and still evolving their stroke each week, but that’s a good look! Regarding the pause, I was always taught the pause wasn’t always a requirement. Some players have a big pause (Neils, Melling), while some barely pause. I’ve personally gone back and forth with how much of a pause I use… Most of all, thanks for this valuable feedback !💎
@@drewvonporte I'd like to address something that you said, that you don't "always" have to have a pause. That advice is difinitively wrong. It is true that there are some shots that are so easy that you can have a poor stroke and still get away with it but if you want to get good your stroke should be the same for every single shot, it should be reflex and you should never never deviate from it. The pause, and I absolutely will guarantee this, will 100% improve your aim as well as your control of spin and weight. The length of the pause is not important, it could be a Tenth of a Second or a Second or Two. The point is to pause. I'll spare you the phsiological explanation but just practice it and you absolutly will notice a differance in your %success. If you're playing APA and coaching, remind your players to pause as part of your advice. I understand the idiotic nature of the handicap structure of APA and to some degree it is prudent to not advance too much but that said, every single player who wants to get good should make this habit an integral part of EVERY stroke. To cement this idea I will challenge you to find a video clip of any successful player, pool, snooker, 3-cushion billiards, whatever you like and see if you can find one player that is reasonably successful that doesn't pause on their stroke. All good players do it, Why do you suppose that is? It is because it works. With all due respect whomever told you that you don't 'always" have to do that is an idiot. As I said, your stroke should be the same every single time no matter what shot you are taking.
I’m going to be humble and admit right now. I just came back from a practice session. I really focused on the pause……….. and I shot lights out. I rarely missed a ball, seriously. Now I have gone back and forth on how long I should pause, and focusing on it. Anytime I’ve focused on the pause and lengthened it enough to be noticeable, I’ve shot very well. Idk what happened between now and then, but circling back, and thinking about this comment, has done a lot. I hope to show up for it in the next match I can film 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 thank you! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Had a few internet glitches so sorry about the long reply. I am prone to being long-winded so I'll try to contol this. Bottom line on that pause. You will 100% be more accurate than you were, that doesn't mean you will be 100% accurate but if you employ that and make it a natural part of your stroke your game will absolutely improve. In addition if you use spin or even rails and angles the pause will 100% give you greater control of those elements too. To people I was teaching ( I was a House Pro in Canada and played pretty much every league in the US, I was a 7 in APA from the First day I played because the league operator knew me from my snooker days in Canada) but for people that I was teaching or mentoring I always said that the pause is MORE important than aiming and I stand by that. in any case if you practice that and make it a reflex you will absolutely improve I don't care how good or bad you are it will definately improve your game. I'm absolutely thrilled, not surprised, but thrilled that you could see a tangible effect on your game. If you're teaching other players be sure to pass this info on it will serve you for many Years of playing. Cheers.
Back when I was an instructor many of my clients wanted me to teach them how to make shots. Aiming systems etc. And I would look at their stroke and the mechanics were terrible. Not consistent enough to make balls consistently. They didn't want to hear that. They just wanted to make balls. On Alex's shot I would not hold. I like your 2 rail center ball for skill level 4s. Personally I shoot the 2 rail with high inside. For Mike's shot I might try to draw into the 7 with low outside. Otherwise I would play it like Alex's with high inside. I also like your 3 rail with just outside. For skill level 4's this is a tough one.
Awesome! Glad to hear the instructor is at least on the same page as me and not telling me I’m offering bad advice! 😂 Yeah, I just wanted to emphasize “do something”, don’t just hit it soft/medium ball because that’s ALWAYS a loser! Just hitting hard center ball will give you a chance!! The spin was more or less to shed some light on english… which was such a confusing concept for me when I was figuring things out 🤯🤨 Thank you Fuggles!!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
I definitely had the most success with this! And surprisingly the inside spin was much easier to make this than the outside spin..... ?! ..... (Despite my reluctance to ever lean into inside spin)
@@drewvonporte Ah I see that now, just got thru the video! Yeah I've noticed your hate for inside spin is a bit of a theme in your videos 😂 I understand it but strangely enough, I learned inside spin and using it before outside so I don't hate it quite as much but it's definitely the harder of the two to properly aim.
@@procrastinator6902 exactly man I freaking miss with inside !! 😂😂 At least, I USED to miss. I feel like I’ve gotten a lot better in the past year and it’s screwing me over less and less… I feel like avoiding inside was part of a bigger movement to “play higher percentage shots and ensure you keep shooting”… because I would miss the inside stuff. It’s coming along though!! For the record, on using Inside on Mike’s shot. The dot on the table is still there from Mike’s shot during the last sequence of using inside spin…. WELL further from where I was using it on the 7-ball, if you still think you could hold it with inside!
you have to be confident in what you chose first foremost. shooting with doubt is losing. when I see weakness I'm out for blood. That's a recent change in my game to me in their head. On certain shots you should send it to get shape but also rolling on a barbox is crazy on most stained up 5yr old cloth. A safe option would be bank it at their balls leaving cue ball on the rail.
I agree, and knowing the equipment you’re playing on is 💯% important!! I don’t typically ever play on beat-up tables, honestly, so I’m not addressing that here. You make a great point in that regard!!
Great video. Have to say I’m not confident with the thin cuts (dodgy eyesight) so I tend to take a lot more banks on than I probably should… I recorded a couple of practice racks at league night on Friday but couldn’t get a place for the tripod high enough to get a good angle to record matches. Might need a new tripod!
The bank is often safer, because you ain’t moving whitey, so nothin wrong with that! Ah, yeah I use a pretty cheap tripod off of amazon myself, it goes about 7’ high
For Alex's shot if I was making the stripe ball I would make sure to go two rails to get back on the last stripe ball but honestly I'd tried to play safe somehow a kick shot. For Mike's shot I would obviously go two rails to get back to the 7 for position
It’s tough to play safe that far away, especially with her 1-ball hanging in the side!….. but I feel you! The shot was BAD juju from the jump! It wasn’t until I set it up myself and looked at how thin it was and how far it was that I was like “………!” Thanks for the sub! I’m curious, do you watch pool matches at all too? Or just in it for the interesting position situations?? I’ll be doing both but I’m trying to get a feel!
@@drewvonporte yeah it's a tough shot. I do watch pool matches too and I watch videos like this one because I'm interested in the game and I want to get better and learn more. Also I'm curious how others play certain shots
Great video, I really like the concept. Suggestion, your match with Rob where you had a lot of safeties, Recreate some of them and explain where you’re aiming on the ball or rail and whether you are using spin.
I agree. Too many players have a mindset that "I gotta make a ball" on every shot, even if making a ball other than whack and hope just isn't possible. All the while passing up either an easy safety, or just considering leaving your opponent long and with a cut shot. I have a 3 on my team that I'm trying to get that through too. He can make lights out shots, but every shot is hard and with the same speed, and he's going for it even with no clear path to any pocket. I keep telling him, keep working on your stroke, it's good. But, learn to play more of a thinking game and you'll blow right through being 4 and be at least a solid 5 in no time.
I did a video like this, that [at the time] did get good feedback, though it was very primitive compared to how I can make the videos now. It was with a safety battle with Rob 😅 I was thinking about diving into our last match with Rob and the safety struggle we had at the end and breaking apart what I was looking at. It's not as cut-and-dry, compared to this, where I know a lot of people are going to disagree and or not see it the same way or think it could've been done better... But yes, it could likely help shed some light on those trying to learn the safety side of things! I love One Pocket, and playing that for 1-2 sessions alone, made me realize *what* the safety game in 8-ball really was! Could try and include some things..... hmmmm....... 🤔🤔🤔
@@georgepotter353 That's awesome though. I always say when I'm trying to help newer players, "I can teach you the game, but it's very hard to teach someone to make balls". If they can make balls, they've got the athletic portion out of the way, and it's time teach them CHESS 😈😈😈 (I know, harder to convince some, than others, but still 🤣)
That’s not the tangent line. Tangent line is a perpendicular path from the object ball. The cue ball only travels down the tangent line when it arrives at the object ball sliding. So a stun shot. Since you are hitting center ball, the cue ball will almost immediately develop roll and since you aren’t using side spin, I would call at that the natural path of the cue ball. Good video, cheers mate!
Yeaaaaaaa …. This has been addressed several times in the comments and I will continue to apologize for it 😅😅. Sorry! It was very liberal/incorrect use of the term “tangent” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Thank you for the feedback regardless! Glad my incompetence didn’t ruin the point!! 👊🏼💪🏼
Big tip, no one ever teaches. If you have to look at a shot for more than a few seconds, it's the wrong shot. But if you're spending all that time working out the angles, there's always an easier way to play your shot. Your time should be spent figuring out how to get to the next ball, you ahould already knlw what's going to happen to your object ball, now you're just trying to figure out cue ball position.
Again, 100% agree with the last thing you said. I'm not sure how I feel about the speed of decision making. We go back and forth on the channel on that A LOT (lol). I do make decisions more with my gut and what feels natural to MY game, but the engineers out there that play, I know like to assess a little more first, which I'm done criticizing... Regarding the last thing you said, this is what I tell my SL-4's. At this point, you understand what is mathematically achievable to making the object ball, no longer should you be thinking about that. It goes, or it doesn't, now it's time to Move the Rock. 😎 I appreciate your input Matt, you're good people 👊🏼
The last three spots are silly to take the shot from ~what I'd do: use mild top-left english and run both those balls up near {not into} the right-hand head pocket. not our right-hand, the other right-hand. That way the opponent has to shoot a cushion-frozen bank, and won't know where the cue ball's going to roll. Having to get-lucky on an 8-shot is vastly annoying. Always annoy whenever humanly possible.
I 100% appreciate this approach. In my defense, my main point here wasn’t assessing best shot option for this, it was trying to investigate and show how hard it is to hold whitey on these thinner cut shots, and just bring attention to it. This “lesson” was geared towards a mid-range player (SL-4) and a concept I find infinitely valuable at that stage in your game. Your shot is definitely the more appropriate shot, and I could set it back up and we could demo that for a SL-6 concept! Analyzing several things at once as you make your decision. I absolutely appreciate feedback like this and different ideas!!! 👊🏼👊🏼 (especially the part where you annoy your opponent with cue ball positioning 😂😂)
As a 3 in APA, position is a new concept that I’m learning and defense is just as difficult but how early should I be thinking about a defensive shot if I have a couple balls that are tied up? What other factors would determine it? How open their balls are? Their shot making ability? Where the 8 ball is laying?
The answer… is Yes. To all of that! BUT- if you ask me- I mostly judge how offensive I can play, based on who I am playing. The more important question is: Are they going to be able to get out on their next turn (or two turns)? At the SL-3 level, for my teammates, I recommend you play little defense. At that level, you really are just racing to finish the table first. Get good at making balls right now, like all the shots. Just START to learn how to move the white ball. If you start with a foundation of being a Good Shotmaker, that will carry you through 96% of your matches and you will do well 💪🏼 Once you can start running balls, you start looking at how to shape balls. Every once in awhile a REALLY good and easy, high-yielding safe comes up in the endgame that I would call a timeout and suggest for my 3’s. See my video on the strongest safety you can play! Other than that, just become a good shooter for now and enjoy it!
@@drewvonporte thats been my instinct so thats what I work on most but it seems frustrating for my captains when he calls timeouts that I don’t listen to his suggestions when they require me apply things I haven’t practiced like english and shape. There are situations that I find myself in, quite often like almost running out and then being ties up on the 8 so thats why I wanted to ask if there is a general rule of thumb like if you can’t run out in the next 3 shots, you should start playing defense at this this and this time…
For one: in Timeouts, I never ask my players to try shots they’ve never taken before, unless it truly is straightforward. It can make them feel completely uncomfortable and feel “lesser” because you’re talking about stuff Way out of their wheelhouse. I want to build up my players! And if they’re having fun playing, they play their best 💪🏼 . New stuff should be addressed before/after league… BUT that’s my 2 cents 🤷🏻♂️ There’s no rule of thumb, but the biggest deciding factor is How Good is the Opponent. If he’s a lot better than you, then you don’t want to break stuff out. Leave it tied up! It means they’ll have to do some real work. But if you’re playing someone your range, you will LIKELY succeed in your games, by running as far as you can, then burning your inning by breaking out your balls, and passing it back to them and saying “go ahead and run out then😎”. Generally speaking! And that’s my own philosophy!
imo the sooner you understand defense the better. I suggest you watch some of the Skill Level 7's when they play each other. In my local league, and this may differ, these guys play defense right out that bat. Imo, it comes down to the probability of the shot. If it's easier to play defense and leave your opponent bad, you want to play defense rather than going for a shot that's more likely to miss. i also play defense when I know i have a problem that i can solve at the current moment. Defense also doesn't always have to tie your opponent up, it could be as simple as sending the cue ball down table for instance and making your opponent do a longer/harder shot. another example could be that you see your opponent has an easy run out but most of the balls are going to one pocket. a defensive shot could be blocking the pocket and then sending the cue ball down the table. another example would be if the 8 ball is lying bad. you send the 8 and the cue ball to the opposite ends forcing your opponent to either bank or play a safety themselves. as a 3 if you learn defense you will be able to keep up with 5's. from there it's just shot making ability and positioning.
3:10 That's not the tangent line. The tangent line is a line that intersects with the contact point at 90 degrees to the radius of the ball (a line from the centre of the ball to the contact point).
Youre right, thats not the actual tangent line. It’s just where the cue ball is going as a rolling cue ball. I’m using the words “tangent line” pretty liberally, my apologies 😔 Hopefully that’s not tripping up the point 😅
@@drewvonporte Yeah. I'm a pedant at the best of times. But I think it's especially important to use terms correctly when in an educational setting. You might know the difference, but the people who are learning from you might not.
@@sideshowrob5453 100% I guess if people are actually gonna watch these videos (this one blew up 🤯🤯), I need to tidy the details!!! I welcome feedback like this in future videos, thank you! 👊🏼
7/9 here. If you’re out of line on the key ball that much you played the wrong pattern. But once there, up and down is the wrong shot. The correct shot is pure inside English, then take your medicine.
I agree that the best advice here is “Don’t leave yourself this crap!” 😅 I’m with you, too, that the play is inside with control…. But my own opinion is that is a pretty difficult shot to pull off for someone who doesn’t use english/sidespin yet, or at least with control. That’s just my opinion ! 🤷🏻♂️ The greater picture he transcends this specific key ball scenario, and just identifying a situation where “you cant hold it”. I think that’s hard to see here at first, and a cheap answer is to just send it to give yourself SOMETHING, ya know?? Hope the lower skill concept didn’t turn you off from my content altogether! I value the opinions of the good players that regularly show up with their perspectives!! 👊🏼 thank you!
Well its so sharp, the outside/right spin will definitely slow the cue ball down, for sure…. But it will bring it back straight and cut directly across the small/tight position window. Try it out! Id rather have a little bit longer shot and be in a nice straight position, than be closer and cutting the absolute hell outta the ball 😬
Great video. I have a 9 ball channel that I do with my phone. I don't have a camera or a computer so I don't edit. I'm in the APA in the northern Kentucky league and my team is " High Flyers "
Player at the table has no easy safety. They're in pretty much a do or die situation Banking the 13 ball to the upper corner with stop English is probably their best bet to get out . The ball hanging in the side pocket is the big situation one. And the second situation.
To be fair that's really awkard position for that shot. With outside english, which is to the center of the table you have the best chance of getting shape on the next ball. As it will turn into running english which might get around the table, you could also just shoot with running english. Or if your really spicy, just wack it with nothing but follow. Should come back down table far enough.
I like this. You're not wrong at all! I was gearing this towards my own SL-4's who are just starting to dabble with english (left/right spin), and emphasize "don't just hit this and end your run immediately. Give yourself a shot at SOMETHING!". But yes, I would spin this ball as well I think if I'm sending it. Personally, I feel like going 3 rails (your first suggestion, with outside) actually has a lesser chance to scratch and larger room to land in! Thanks for adding this!
It is, yes! I addressed this in another comment, but maybe I should pin one at the top :/ For whatever reason, I've always just called the cue ball's path the "tangent line". I learned a lot later in my pool life that the tangent line is very specific and a fixed line. Since people are actually gonna watch this (lol 7k! I can't believe it!), I need to tighten things up. I don't want to confuse people... My apologies!!! Thank you for your feedback, and I absolutely welcome comments like this!
@@drewvonporte no worries! you're doing an amazing job! When you're editing the videos you could add the tangent line in a different color maybe? that way people who don't understand what it is can visually see it.
@@imanoobtuber awesome thanks !!! Personally, I don’t “like” the tangent line itself. I feel like it’s not common for the cue ball to take the path of the tangent line, as it usually requires stun or pounding at shots, idk. Sometimes I get worried I’ve gone a little too Bob Ross with all the colors and lines, so I’m hesitant to add another for posterity? Idk. BUT- I will address it when it’s important!! Thanks again for feedback! I’m still figuring out a lot 🤙🏼🤙🏼👊🏼
@@drewvonporte totally understand the first paragraph. for new players though they do need to understand it as when you add follow or draw you need a point of reference first. Lots of new players in my league have zero idea of what it is and become bewildered when their draw or force follow shots didn't get the cue ball where they wanted it to go. Then you explain the tangent line and voila, it starts to click for them.
Yeah, it was just the concept of understanding where whitey’s going and knowing when you can’t hold it. Personally, for Alex’s shot on the 13 in his match, I DON’T think there was an easy safety but 🤷🏻♂️ that’s my ability anyway
It’s that recognition 💡💡 100% Not making fun or anything, but it’s always impressive to me when the SL-4 gets horrendous shape, and they barely care, and just fire at a ridiculously hard shot and make it. Shane (or any random pro) gets in that same position and he’ll kick himself for the whole 30 seconds and get worked up, and miss! ( not always miss, but still! )
no english on the balls... and what does open it up means :D right spin means it will spin to the right, so in this shot its a running spin too and the ball will move to the right after the rail but u can use left spin too :D
Hey Drew. Nice job on the video. At 12:31 where you talk about your favorite shot being the kick shot I suggest that showing that shot as a viable choice isn’t good for the 4’s on your team. Even as a joke it’s a good way to give away ball in hand instead of playing safe and leaving the table in some control of the situation. I like that you play most of the shots center cue ball
Oh man, yeah, this was definitely tongue-in-cheek Dave. I hate kick shots haha and I’m terrible at them! If you see my videos and see my wildly miss kick shots and give up ball-in-hand all the time, you’d get it 😂
But you’re right, 4’s kick a ball thats cuttable/bankable, is one time where I will USUALLY yank a timeout. No sense in giving the opponent ball-in-hand for no reason whatsoever!! Especially when the kick is likely gonna leave you on the rail afterwards anyway!!!
Thanks for the feedback!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
This may take a minute to describe but if you practice it kick-shot fear and various single bank shots will become relatively easy. I wish I could give you a diagram but bear with me. If you are trying to kick a ball that is on the Left side of the table relative to where the cue-ball is envision a large mirror on the Right side of the table (the direction that you are shootin at to hit the rail and then kick into the object ball) anyway imagine the mirror and mentally picture where your object ball would be in the mirror image. Now don't pay attention to anything else, Aim your cueball directly at that mirrored object ball and you will ALWAYS hit your intended ball as long as you don't add spin (when you have developed this technique you can start utilizing spin too but at first try to avoid spin because it will definately impact your accuracy. Likewise this technique can be used to play bank shots, just envision where the pocket that you are trying to bank into is in the mirror and shoot your object ball as iff you are aiming directly into the mirrored pocket. The physics of this would make sense to you if you had a diagram but the physics are very obvious and simple and if you practice this until it becomes natural, kick and bank shot fear will become a thing of the past.
@@Rabid-Pinocchio I can tell exactly what you mean! That’s a very handy perspective!
Nice video man! Love to see these common shots broken down and talked about more in depth. Keep up the great content
He’s STILL solo-dolo baby. Thanks a ton man !!! 👊🏼👊🏼
I don't know if you mentioned this or not, but when you showed the running English to open up the angle (~13:30): don't use any follow, just the left side of the ball.
I remember when I first started using English, I would always keep follow or draw in there, too -- especially follow. When you keep that follow in, you don't get as much action off the rail. When you use slow-medium speed, the English really takes off the rail. (Obviously in this case you want slow speed, but the speed that works the best for lengthening an angle is "running-med-slow".)
It looks so cool, too! That's the best part!
I did actually, briefly!
I saw a video/reel/short recently showing a shot Jayson Shaw did like this, and they noted that using LOW+english helps getting more action.
So in these shots, I used low+left. I ALSO would always lean towards using top + spin for these shots, so that was a little bit of an eye opener!
Now I wonder if your suggestion of just left and no top/bottom wouldve been better!
Thanks for the feedback!!! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte I believe that video is mine. :D Definitely a case where I would use the low left!
Anyway, love your content, dude. Keep it up!
It WAS your video!!! That’s right!! 😂😂
Thanks a ton! Your videos are great, whens your next one though??
@@drewvonporte Thanks! I hope I can find time to make some videos soon. I have a lot of ideas and stuff I want to share, but not enough time. I'm actually working full time on a language channel. Anyways, looking forward to seeing your channel grow!
At 3:12, that isn't the tangent line. The tangent line is always a direct 90° line perpendicular to the pocket line you are shooting the ball on. You're probably referring to the natural rolling cue ball path. Telling players that you are showing the tangent isn't correct at all. This could confuse a lot of beginning players when trying to learn the actual tangent line when stunning the ball and trying to utilize it for cue ball control. Good video though.
Exactly.
It is, yes! I addressed this in another comment, but maybe I should pin one at the top :/
For whatever reason, I've always just called the cue ball's path the "tangent line". I learned a lot later in my pool life that the tangent line is very specific and a fixed line. Since people are actually gonna watch this (lol 7k! I can't believe it!), I need to tighten things up, because that's just sloppy. I don't want to confuse people... My apologies!!!
Thank you for this feedback, it's important, and I absolutely welcome comments like this!
Yeah. I love this idea of this drill, will most likely incorporate in my training schedule.
When i heard you say tangent, i cringed a little. I know you know it wasn’t.
It’s amazing how many people can’t explain tangent, rolling ball exit angle, rolling ball, forced follow, stun variations, etc.
Geat video,
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Yes, I'd like to see more position videos. I'm a first time watcher and a highly skilled player. I like your presentation and voice. I shall look forward to watching your videos. I realize that you profit from my participation and I shall gladly patronize you. Good luck.
I assure you, at least at this time, the work I put into the videos FAR outweighs profit, but hopefully someday!! Thank you for your participation!!
It’s good to know that this is still good content for the highly skilled as I’m SURE you are aware of this concept! My goal here is to make the higher skill play concepts digestible for the mid-range players still learning 👊🏼🤙🏼
Thank you for your input!! 🙏🏼
You got a follow out of me on this video! Great content and simple delivery of some basic concepts that we all need to master.
Awesome Noah! That’s all I’m trying to do here, just talk about the *actual* important concepts that seem to get missed! Let’s see how many we can clear up!!!
Thanks for the feedback and for the sub!!
Ya me also
Excellent video with ez to understand explanation. I'm going to send this to the 3's and 4's on my team. One thing that I will add to though, is that if you're cutting the ball from a good distance down table it's much harder to hold, and much harder to make with spin. From where their two shots originated, I would tell my player not to even consider trying to hold from there. Just use the shot you're most comfortable with, but just a bit more juice in the follow through. You do great work. Very much appreciate.
Thank you so much George, really appreciate that 👊🏼
Yes, I agree. The shot Alex took on the 13 ball was incredibly difficult, and I really learned something myself trying to hit both with JUICE and with SPIN. Holy deflection, Batman. Agree that I would just hit the shot as ‘true’ as you can, but with some steam behind it so you don’t get stuck in the mud 💯💯
I never ask my teammates to use spin, UNLESS they’re comfortable with it. I cringe everytime I hear a captain try to suggest “inside spin” to their 3 during a timeout 🫠
Just wanted to introduce some spin concepts for knowledge more than anything! Thanks for the feedback!!
These are so helpful, especially for SL2-4. Even SL5 and up can learn from these as a refresher and seeing things from a new perspective. Its really important to understand what whitey wants to do naturally and use to spin to manipulate slightly and speed/spin increases difficulty aiming
Thanks man!!
I have at least a couple more up my sleeve that I think could be helpful to the APA poolplayer 👊🏼🤙🏼💪🏼
Loving the new teaching video. Keep up the great work.
Awesome! Thanks Chris!!
This is an excellent video Drew, knowing when to hold, how to hold and knowing when to send and how to send are highly important in position play. For me as a player I feel it's important to also know when to bank and when to play a defensive shot. I personally leave banks as a last resort and rather go for a defensive shot to try to get ball in hand.
That is awesome to hear!!! Thanks for the feedback man!! 👊🏼👊🏼 This takes a lot of time to make these so it’s good to know it was worth it for some people 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte got a question, what equipment do you use to shoot your videos? I always wanted to record my APA matches but purely to review it and address errors I have made during them.
Iphone 15 pro ! 🤯
@@drewvonporte 🤯 indeed. Very good camera on your phone. I got the Google Pixel 8 Camera is ok not as good as the Pixel 8 Pro.
Always good to See how others hit and play a shot opens up different ideas other than practicing the shots..
Yes it is! I wish there were more people making youtube videos back when I was learning in the first year or 3 😬😬 if for nothing else but to see how people play and see the game!
Helpful...liked this a lot; simple and straight forward without much techy talk....
Thanks! I hope you think twice when you get a little steep on the 7-ball next time!
I think that's a great little drill. Seems like it would be great to do before a match. I feel like I have a good instinct on when you can't hold it anymore, but alot of time when I send it, it still ends up a little short. Doing this should help dial it in before a game! Thanks
Awesome, thanks! I'm going to double down on this and say, shots like this are GREAT right before a match on the table you are playing on specifically. Seeing how much UMPH you need to get the cue ball down and back will tell your monkey brain lots about the speed of the table and get it a little dialed in before the money hits the felt!
Thanks Devin!
Great vid man! I've learned to _rarely_ hold, it depends so much on cloth and the minute amounts of vertical spin / changes of stroke that in tight situations, it's more likely sending it will get you shape. I've played a couple games recently on a UK table, with their wool cloth, and holding on these is a breeze tho! Oh and unrelated: I think you used the word "tangent" a couple times while there were no tangents to be seen.
I agree!
Is that why the brits hold the cue ball so well in their 8-ball matches?!?!? WOOL?! 😂😂😂😂 (and the tiny cue ball)
Yes, sorry, I’ve addressed my “tangent” vocabulary several times in the comments 🤦🏻♂️ it won’t happen again. I was egregiously misusing the term 😅
As for Mike's match situation 2. The seven ball with a very light hit, bringing it onto the table and sending the q toward the six safety, causing the opponent to have to bank their remaining stripe. His probably the best move
As a 3-4 speed??
Might be asking a lot of whitey. My advice was simply “if you gon shoot it, know you gotta hit it baby”!
On number two, probably hold this one with some bottom inside. The inside lets you hit the shot a bit thicker which reduces how far the cue ball gets from you after contact. And the spin not only gets you a good angle, but allows you to keep the shot pretty soft and still make the shot because a spinning ball gets more action than a sliding ball hit at the same speed.
Man, comparing Mike's shot to the latter portion of the video, where I demo the inside spin shot you're talking about.... that's thin as hell...! That would be a very difficult shot! And this is the part where I set it up and say "put your money where your mouth is then!" 🤣🤣🤣
@@drewvonporte Absolutely difficult, for sure! And in a match scenario, I may end up falling flat on my face but I'm ok with it. I don't think it can get much flatter based on past experiences! 🤣 Which brings up a point that certainly adds to the difficulty: We can line these shots up many times, and maybe even successfully pull them off but replicating other important factors (stress, pressure, confidence level, stakes, how tired we may be, etc) is next to impossible and that not only affects how we shoot but which shot we'll attempt altogether 🙂
@@drewvonporte Actually scratch that, I'm sending that one too!! I watched his again and see that his cue ball is MUCH further back and thinner than I'd thought the shot originally was. I guess I was thinking of it being closer to where you'd started those shots from the paper savers at 14:05 and couldn't figure out why you thought it was a particularly difficult attempt. I'm gonna correct myself on this one and save the likely faceplant for a shot with a potentially better payoff 🤣🤣
@@procrastinator6902 sorry, just now saw your response and recoil 😂😂😂 ha fair!
paused it at 7:22 to say this. a harder strike will cause the CB to square up more, and especially on a diamond table will create a shorter angle.
I'm familiar with this concept of tightening the angle with some juice when talking about BANKS... Have not thought about it with rail position, which should apply...! In this case, speed of landing the cue ball is sort of important, but still!
This is a great comment!!
In the examples you showed by far the best way is to use inside english to widen the cue ball. Doing this can make getting position on a lot of shots much easier - certainly easier than going up and down. Having said that, players should learn to go up and down (sending it) and how to use english to widen the cue ball. Once you practice this a bit it really is not hard and can help you win a lot of games.
Awesome! Thank you so much for this feedback!
How “easy” (quoting you: “..really is not hard”) it is to hit such a soft shot with THAT much spin…. isn’t something I’d consider very easy. Gotta have really good stroke mechanics, then maybe!
Most players at a SL-4 range are definitely still working on perfecting a good stroke (as am i 😂). Maybe easy for some, but idk. I would recommend sending it myself, and would only shoot the inside spin-and-hold shot if I was in-stroke but 🤷🏻♂️
REGARDLESS- thanks for your input!! Being familiar with this situation is most important 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte I think there are shots that are easy to master with only a couple of hours of practice and those shorter inside shots are one of them.
I used to think these shots were hard. Then I watched a Tor Lowry video on them and actually spent about three hours just practicing them. For me it was relatively easy to figure the shot out.
And once you do, that shot opens up huge position play advantages as you showed in your video. I think people get intimidated with certain shots - but hitting them hundreds of times makes them much easier.
Tor’s stuff is so good 🔥
I appreciate the perspective! I can tell you are passionate about the game. I’m going to take your advice, and work on this with my SL-5. I still feel like it’s a tough shot for your average SL-4 but I digress!!
Thank you for this feedback and I look forward to more from you in the future!!
A shot definitely that is not talked about! Not a big fan of 8 ball played it all my life so I am more invested in 10 and 9 ball! Regardless of that the shot is dicey one and the knowledge shared here is crucial! I have and idea of how I would play it as well but the reminder is helpful tbh! The reverse spin shot three you did you could have also showed the inside spin version as well!
It’s true! It’s just a concept that I feel like never gets mentioned!! Thank you for this feedback!!! 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
First time watching, first time subscribing. Always looking for new content with excellent analysis. Thanks much!
Hey David! Awesome! Tell me, do you ever watch full matches on RUclips (either mine or others)??
New to your channel. Helpful to understand or somewhat comprehend options. Potting the OB and placing (parking) the CB seem to be the biggest issues. Creativity might be next. Great job!
I always tell my players to get really good at potting before you start to really unwind position play. From experience, I can assure you this game becomes INCREDIBLY frustrating when you know what you need to do, but you just miss more than you want to..... but yes! Let's get creative!!
Thanks for coming in ! I've got some cool stuff coming 💪🏼👊🏼
Just discovered your channel, I have to say this is great content. Keep them coming, we can all learn from this. Novice or advanced it does not matter. Just subbed
Awesome!! Thanks a ton!! Welcome on board!
Drew,nice drill,ill try it some day,i love playing cue ball position play,and running the cue ball around for next shot
Sometimes have to! Thanks!
Ok, I'm back. In the First segment you asked how could they shoot the shot better. The guy shooting the 13/10 is really in a jam because if he doesn't run out the other guy will but he is in a really tricky position because the pot on the 13 is a fairly sharp angle and so it is not very likely that he can kick into the 10 with low-right spin. He may be able to use that same spin to kick into the 8 but that is a high risk shot because the 8 is heading for the side and could carom in off the 1. So, again, considering his opponents` balls he really must clear up and his chosen attack clearly left him no shot at the 10 so my only suggestion would have been to play the 13 with pocket weight (just enough speed to get the 13 to sink) and a little right hand spin would slightly change the angle that the cue balll takes off the rail, bearing in mind tha you don't want to hit this very hard. Ultimately you're trying to decrease the distance that the cueball travels back up the rail so that you have at least a shot, even a tough angle, at the 10 in the corner because otherwise, you're toast. Now, that said, if he's a 4 another option would be to clip the 10 very lightly on the Right to use the Black to hook the 6-ball and the 1-ball from that position would be very difficult. Personally if I were in this situation with another very good player I would choose option One because if I miss I'm dead, if I were playing a weaker player I would likely choose option 2.. Cheers.. Ok, One last thing, after the Second cat made the thin cut you described both of these shots as good shots, I would have to disagree with you on a tactical plane. Sinking a ball , no matter how difficult, is not a good shot if you don't get position. Why is that? Because you have removed one more obstacle that your opponent doesn't have to worry about. But sinking a ball without securing position you have essentially made it easier for your opponent to run out. My advice to you if you want to get better is unless you can be assured of position, look first for an opportunity to either hook/safety your opponent or at the least make it more difficult. JUst a tactical suggestion, lets say you have 3 makeable balls and one you don't know what you're going to do to get at it, maybe sink one of your easy balls then go safe. Now you have 3 balls on the table for your opponend to try to figure a way around. So, again, i fyou make a audience-pleasing hail-mary shot and have no position to continue your opponent is going to sink the Black. Yeah you made a good shot but you didn't win. Really it's the differance between a bar player and a tournament player. I'll shut up now.
When I described these as “good shots”, I guess what I meant to say was “good pots”. When I set these up, I realized that these balls were actually difficult to even pot, (especially Alex’s shot on the 13) so I wanted to at least give them credit for making them…. But I all-but-crucified them for their position choices 😂
In both situations, when I commentated these videos Live, I said they were both very poor shot choices. I 100% understand 8-ball strategy that you described 👊🏼👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Ahh So! I really must phrase things differently. I didn't mean those remarks as a criticizm but more what I hoped would be a helpful perspective. Depending on where your APA league is the definition of a "4" is fluid. I've played 4's in States or Vegas that had great position play, great ball-sinking abilities but what to me is the single biggest seperator that seperates a 6 from a 7 is high-level safety play. I've seen "4's" that played like 4's all season then all of a sudden they're playing like 6's or 7's, I'm sure you know what I mean. Sadly the nature of APA, or at least used to be, that there is a lot of sandbagging, and to some degree it is necessary. It never affected me because I was always a 7 so there was no point in sandbagging. So, back to the point. if a 4 has a high level of safety play/tactical play then they should not be a 4, no matter how many shots they miss. It sounds to me that you are doing a great job with your team, including this feed. It is great that you are having your players go over their games and analysing what they could do differently. My comments are, for the most part, directed at you because I perceive you to be a higher-level player and hope that I can add some insight for you. IT seems to me that your approach will absolutely help to develop your players. As for me I'll ask this favor, never take what I say, or more particularly , how I say it, as criticism, it is meant as an alternate pov. Cheers.
@@Rabid-Pinocchio oh, no worries! Sorry if I came off defensive, I just truly appreciate the strategy of the game of 8-ball a lot, and knew exactly what you are saying. That same explanation of strategy you wrote, is something I say regularly to my teammates 😂😂
i really do appreciate your feedback! You should check out my latest video, as your feedback actually makes a cameo appearance…
@@drewvonporte 100% agree. having a well-rounded understanding of strategy, tactics, and basic fundamentals of stroke and stance will win you WAYYYYY more games than being a good potter or being able to make crowd-pleasing shots. I never cared one iota about what the crowd thought, even if it was some georgeous gals, Alll that kind of thinking is for the bar players. I only cared about one thing, sinking the Black or the 9, or in some cases the 10, you know what I mean. Winning is far more sexy than making an amazing shot and then losing. I started out as a student of snooker and back then I bought an extremely expensive video player (VHS is those days) so that I could slow-mo every single frame and study every single iota of what the pros did if they blinked or scratched their behind I wanted to know why. It sounds like you're of a similar bent. A shame we won't lock horns, I'm very ill and cannot play anymore but I am glad to see your enthusiasm. Cheers.
Oh man sorry to hear you aren’t able to play anymore man!! I hope channels like mine and others on RUclips help to fill a void in hanging out with friends watching idiots play pool 🥴
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That concept seem to be definitely something I should train and include in my shot options.
Oh man, for sure know when you gotta send it and when you can't hold it. Honestly don't know how much "training" or "drilling" would be needed for this. A little time spent gauging maybe what the angle looks like when you've run too far/short, but nothing fancy here, just add the Juice 💪
I can't iterate enough: When you dial up the strength, make sure to keep focus on the shot line and MAKE SURE YOU MAKE THE BALL! That's the pitfall here! Thanks for watching and dropping feedback!
I prefer to hold or in this case we might better say use running/inside English when possible, like you show at the end. It requires slight adjustment, for more of a cut angle, which works against the position, but the spin more than makes up for that. I will have to try the low inside vs regular inside though when I get home, as you mentioned replying to an earlier comment that Jayson Shaw recommends this. At the low speed we're using, I don't know that high/low would make a difference after rolling even a short distance, and might just contribute to miscues or unintentional masse?
Yeah, feel free to test it out. I believe to get the most spin, you want the cue ball to hit the rail as close to 90 degrees as possible, and in cut shots like this, that may help.
Honestly didn’t test anything, just went with it. And all of these spin shots were 1 take, and at the end of the session… and FELT AMAZING after playing Alex’s shot that was insanely difficult, wow, at least for me!
Would love to have you come back to this comment once you tinker and hear what you think! Thanks for the input! 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte I'm still at work but was thinking more about it, the low hit probably makes it a drag shot so there is minimal forward cue ball roll at the moment it hits the object ball. So what Shaw said does make sense. Who knew a pro would know what he's talking about?
@@dougrobertson5907 it was working so well I didn’t even think about it until now 😅 I ALWAYS used to hit this with Top+inside, and i think the top opens the angle up away from 90 degrees and yes increases speed off of the rail too. Idk, give it a shot!
(I’m waiting for one of the Fargo 700+’s chime in and call us noobs 😂😂😂)
I've only watched about 1 minute but you asked what they could do better. This is something that most players will miss but the first person has a much better stroke. An element of the stroke that is paramount is a pause at the back of the stroke before you strike the ball. Weaker players will have a see-saw action where they feather the ball a few times and then draw back and shoot forward in one, hurried, action. A seasoned player with a good stroke will feather a few times then draw back, at the back of the stroke they will pause slightly, and then shoot forward it a single motion. I absolutely guarantee that no matter what level of player you are if you develop this technique as a natural part of your stroke you will improve your aim as well as your cue-ball control. A word of caution, players trying to practice this will at first feather, draw back and pause, then draw back slightly then shoot forward. This action ruins the gain from pausing and so reallly pay attention to what you are doing. So, back to the question, what can you notice wrong? The Second player needs to work on his stroke. Speaking of stroke, at about 3.23 your are demonstrating a shot trying to sink the 2 and get position on the Black. If you watch your own stroke you shoot and move the butt of the cue to the Right as you are striking the ball... Bad habit, I would work on that...
This is great feedback!
Personally, I don’t feel like my mechanics are strong enough to teach that sort of stuff here… at least not yet! That being said, I’m seeing what you mean in my stroke and it’s something I’m going to look into 👀
I’m sure Alex and Mike’s stroke isn’t perfect yet either, as they are 4’s and still evolving their stroke each week, but that’s a good look!
Regarding the pause, I was always taught the pause wasn’t always a requirement. Some players have a big pause (Neils, Melling), while some barely pause. I’ve personally gone back and forth with how much of a pause I use…
Most of all, thanks for this valuable feedback !💎
@@drewvonporte I'd like to address something that you said, that you don't "always" have to have a pause. That advice is difinitively wrong. It is true that there are some shots that are so easy that you can have a poor stroke and still get away with it but if you want to get good your stroke should be the same for every single shot, it should be reflex and you should never never deviate from it. The pause, and I absolutely will guarantee this, will 100% improve your aim as well as your control of spin and weight. The length of the pause is not important, it could be a Tenth of a Second or a Second or Two. The point is to pause. I'll spare you the phsiological explanation but just practice it and you absolutly will notice a differance in your %success. If you're playing APA and coaching, remind your players to pause as part of your advice. I understand the idiotic nature of the handicap structure of APA and to some degree it is prudent to not advance too much but that said, every single player who wants to get good should make this habit an integral part of EVERY stroke. To cement this idea I will challenge you to find a video clip of any successful player, pool, snooker, 3-cushion billiards, whatever you like and see if you can find one player that is reasonably successful that doesn't pause on their stroke. All good players do it, Why do you suppose that is? It is because it works. With all due respect whomever told you that you don't 'always" have to do that is an idiot. As I said, your stroke should be the same every single time no matter what shot you are taking.
I’m going to be humble and admit right now. I just came back from a practice session.
I really focused on the pause……….. and I shot lights out. I rarely missed a ball, seriously.
Now I have gone back and forth on how long I should pause, and focusing on it. Anytime I’ve focused on the pause and lengthened it enough to be noticeable, I’ve shot very well.
Idk what happened between now and then, but circling back, and thinking about this comment, has done a lot. I hope to show up for it in the next match I can film 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 thank you! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Had a few internet glitches so sorry about the long reply. I am prone to being long-winded so I'll try to contol this. Bottom line on that pause. You will 100% be more accurate than you were, that doesn't mean you will be 100% accurate but if you employ that and make it a natural part of your stroke your game will absolutely improve. In addition if you use spin or even rails and angles the pause will 100% give you greater control of those elements too. To people I was teaching ( I was a House Pro in Canada and played pretty much every league in the US, I was a 7 in APA from the First day I played because the league operator knew me from my snooker days in Canada) but for people that I was teaching or mentoring I always said that the pause is MORE important than aiming and I stand by that. in any case if you practice that and make it a reflex you will absolutely improve I don't care how good or bad you are it will definately improve your game. I'm absolutely thrilled, not surprised, but thrilled that you could see a tangible effect on your game. If you're teaching other players be sure to pass this info on it will serve you for many Years of playing. Cheers.
Hi Drew! I really like this style of video particularly for 8-ball decision making. I hope you make more like this! Maybe one on safety battles? -Josh
I’d love to!!
Thanks for this feedback!!
Back when I was an instructor many of my clients wanted me to teach them how to make shots. Aiming systems etc. And I would look at their stroke and the mechanics were terrible. Not consistent enough to make balls consistently. They didn't want to hear that. They just wanted to make balls.
On Alex's shot I would not hold. I like your 2 rail center ball for skill level 4s. Personally I shoot the 2 rail with high inside. For Mike's shot I might try to draw into the 7 with low outside. Otherwise I would play it like Alex's with high inside. I also like your 3 rail with just outside. For skill level 4's this is a tough one.
Awesome! Glad to hear the instructor is at least on the same page as me and not telling me I’m offering bad advice! 😂
Yeah, I just wanted to emphasize “do something”, don’t just hit it soft/medium ball because that’s ALWAYS a loser! Just hitting hard center ball will give you a chance!!
The spin was more or less to shed some light on english… which was such a confusing concept for me when I was figuring things out 🤯🤨
Thank you Fuggles!!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
For the first shot, I'm going down table and back but using some inside spin to avoid having to play short side shape on the next ball.
I definitely had the most success with this! And surprisingly the inside spin was much easier to make this than the outside spin..... ?! ..... (Despite my reluctance to ever lean into inside spin)
@@drewvonporte Ah I see that now, just got thru the video! Yeah I've noticed your hate for inside spin is a bit of a theme in your videos 😂 I understand it but strangely enough, I learned inside spin and using it before outside so I don't hate it quite as much but it's definitely the harder of the two to properly aim.
@@procrastinator6902 exactly man I freaking miss with inside !! 😂😂 At least, I USED to miss. I feel like I’ve gotten a lot better in the past year and it’s screwing me over less and less…
I feel like avoiding inside was part of a bigger movement to “play higher percentage shots and ensure you keep shooting”… because I would miss the inside stuff. It’s coming along though!!
For the record, on using Inside on Mike’s shot. The dot on the table is still there from Mike’s shot during the last sequence of using inside spin…. WELL further from where I was using it on the 7-ball, if you still think you could hold it with inside!
you have to be confident in what you chose first foremost. shooting with doubt is losing. when I see weakness I'm out for blood. That's a recent change in my game to me in their head. On certain shots you should send it to get shape but also rolling on a barbox is crazy on most stained up 5yr old cloth. A safe option would be bank it at their balls leaving cue ball on the rail.
I agree, and knowing the equipment you’re playing on is 💯% important!!
I don’t typically ever play on beat-up tables, honestly, so I’m not addressing that here. You make a great point in that regard!!
Great video. Have to say I’m not confident with the thin cuts (dodgy eyesight) so I tend to take a lot more banks on than I probably should…
I recorded a couple of practice racks at league night on Friday but couldn’t get a place for the tripod high enough to get a good angle to record matches. Might need a new tripod!
The bank is often safer, because you ain’t moving whitey, so nothin wrong with that!
Ah, yeah I use a pretty cheap tripod off of amazon myself, it goes about 7’ high
For Alex's shot if I was making the stripe ball I would make sure to go two rails to get back on the last stripe ball but honestly I'd tried to play safe somehow a kick shot. For Mike's shot I would obviously go two rails to get back to the 7 for position
It’s tough to play safe that far away, especially with her 1-ball hanging in the side!….. but I feel you! The shot was BAD juju from the jump!
It wasn’t until I set it up myself and looked at how thin it was and how far it was that I was like “………!”
Thanks for the sub! I’m curious, do you watch pool matches at all too? Or just in it for the interesting position situations?? I’ll be doing both but I’m trying to get a feel!
@@drewvonporte yeah it's a tough shot.
I do watch pool matches too and I watch videos like this one because I'm interested in the game and I want to get better and learn more. Also I'm curious how others play certain shots
@@zanethind awesome! Welcome in 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte thanks
Great video, I really like the concept.
Suggestion, your match with Rob where you had a lot of safeties, Recreate some of them and explain where you’re aiming on the ball or rail and whether you are using spin.
I agree. Too many players have a mindset that "I gotta make a ball" on every shot, even if making a ball other than whack and hope just isn't possible. All the while passing up either an easy safety, or just considering leaving your opponent long and with a cut shot. I have a 3 on my team that I'm trying to get that through too. He can make lights out shots, but every shot is hard and with the same speed, and he's going for it even with no clear path to any pocket. I keep telling him, keep working on your stroke, it's good. But, learn to play more of a thinking game and you'll blow right through being 4 and be at least a solid 5 in no time.
I did a video like this, that [at the time] did get good feedback, though it was very primitive compared to how I can make the videos now. It was with a safety battle with Rob 😅
I was thinking about diving into our last match with Rob and the safety struggle we had at the end and breaking apart what I was looking at. It's not as cut-and-dry, compared to this, where I know a lot of people are going to disagree and or not see it the same way or think it could've been done better... But yes, it could likely help shed some light on those trying to learn the safety side of things!
I love One Pocket, and playing that for 1-2 sessions alone, made me realize *what* the safety game in 8-ball really was! Could try and include some things..... hmmmm....... 🤔🤔🤔
@@georgepotter353 That's awesome though. I always say when I'm trying to help newer players, "I can teach you the game, but it's very hard to teach someone to make balls". If they can make balls, they've got the athletic portion out of the way, and it's time teach them CHESS 😈😈😈 (I know, harder to convince some, than others, but still 🤣)
For medium bad angles, also dont forget the Drag shot. Karl Boyes has a good video on it.
I checked it out! But haven't had a ton of time to work on it myself yet....... 😅
That’s not the tangent line. Tangent line is a perpendicular path from the object ball. The cue ball only travels down the tangent line when it arrives at the object ball sliding. So a stun shot.
Since you are hitting center ball, the cue ball will almost immediately develop roll and since you aren’t using side spin, I would call at that the natural path of the cue ball. Good video, cheers mate!
Yeaaaaaaa …. This has been addressed several times in the comments and I will continue to apologize for it 😅😅. Sorry! It was very liberal/incorrect use of the term “tangent” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thank you for the feedback regardless! Glad my incompetence didn’t ruin the point!! 👊🏼💪🏼
@@drewvonporte Maybe use the term "resultant angle" rather than tangent
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Your video popped up in my recommendations so I just subscribed
…. You’re not…. THE Zane… are you?!…
@@drewvonporte no lol I'm not the singer
Big tip, no one ever teaches. If you have to look at a shot for more than a few seconds, it's the wrong shot. But if you're spending all that time working out the angles, there's always an easier way to play your shot. Your time should be spent figuring out how to get to the next ball, you ahould already knlw what's going to happen to your object ball, now you're just trying to figure out cue ball position.
Again, 100% agree with the last thing you said. I'm not sure how I feel about the speed of decision making. We go back and forth on the channel on that A LOT (lol). I do make decisions more with my gut and what feels natural to MY game, but the engineers out there that play, I know like to assess a little more first, which I'm done criticizing...
Regarding the last thing you said, this is what I tell my SL-4's. At this point, you understand what is mathematically achievable to making the object ball, no longer should you be thinking about that. It goes, or it doesn't, now it's time to Move the Rock. 😎
I appreciate your input Matt, you're good people 👊🏼
The last three spots are silly to take the shot from ~what I'd do: use mild top-left english and run both those balls up near {not into} the right-hand head pocket. not our right-hand, the other right-hand. That way the opponent has to shoot a cushion-frozen bank, and won't know where the cue ball's going to roll. Having to get-lucky on an 8-shot is vastly annoying. Always annoy whenever humanly possible.
I 100% appreciate this approach. In my defense, my main point here wasn’t assessing best shot option for this, it was trying to investigate and show how hard it is to hold whitey on these thinner cut shots, and just bring attention to it.
This “lesson” was geared towards a mid-range player (SL-4) and a concept I find infinitely valuable at that stage in your game.
Your shot is definitely the more appropriate shot, and I could set it back up and we could demo that for a SL-6 concept! Analyzing several things at once as you make your decision.
I absolutely appreciate feedback like this and different ideas!!! 👊🏼👊🏼 (especially the part where you annoy your opponent with cue ball positioning 😂😂)
@@drewvonporte The noid-out is what one-pocket is ALL about lol
As a 3 in APA, position is a new concept that I’m learning and defense is just as difficult but how early should I be thinking about a defensive shot if I have a couple balls that are tied up? What other factors would determine it? How open their balls are? Their shot making ability? Where the 8 ball is laying?
The answer… is Yes. To all of that!
BUT- if you ask me- I mostly judge how offensive I can play, based on who I am playing. The more important question is:
Are they going to be able to get out on their next turn (or two turns)?
At the SL-3 level, for my teammates, I recommend you play little defense. At that level, you really are just racing to finish the table first. Get good at making balls right now, like all the shots. Just START to learn how to move the white ball.
If you start with a foundation of being a Good Shotmaker, that will carry you through 96% of your matches and you will do well 💪🏼
Once you can start running balls, you start looking at how to shape balls.
Every once in awhile a REALLY good and easy, high-yielding safe comes up in the endgame that I would call a timeout and suggest for my 3’s. See my video on the strongest safety you can play!
Other than that, just become a good shooter for now and enjoy it!
@@drewvonporte thats been my instinct so thats what I work on most but it seems frustrating for my captains when he calls timeouts that I don’t listen to his suggestions when they require me apply things I haven’t practiced like english and shape. There are situations that I find myself in, quite often like almost running out and then being ties up on the 8 so thats why I wanted to ask if there is a general rule of thumb like if you can’t run out in the next 3 shots, you should start playing defense at this this and this time…
For one: in Timeouts, I never ask my players to try shots they’ve never taken before, unless it truly is straightforward. It can make them feel completely uncomfortable and feel “lesser” because you’re talking about stuff Way out of their wheelhouse. I want to build up my players! And if they’re having fun playing, they play their best 💪🏼 . New stuff should be addressed before/after league… BUT that’s my 2 cents 🤷🏻♂️
There’s no rule of thumb, but the biggest deciding factor is How Good is the Opponent. If he’s a lot better than you, then you don’t want to break stuff out. Leave it tied up! It means they’ll have to do some real work.
But if you’re playing someone your range, you will LIKELY succeed in your games, by running as far as you can, then burning your inning by breaking out your balls, and passing it back to them and saying “go ahead and run out then😎”. Generally speaking! And that’s my own philosophy!
@@drewvonporte thanks I appreciate your time & insight! Maybe run into next Spring in Vegas 🤗
imo the sooner you understand defense the better.
I suggest you watch some of the Skill Level 7's when they play each other. In my local league, and this may differ, these guys play defense right out that bat.
Imo, it comes down to the probability of the shot. If it's easier to play defense and leave your opponent bad, you want to play defense rather than going for a shot that's more likely to miss.
i also play defense when I know i have a problem that i can solve at the current moment. Defense also doesn't always have to tie your opponent up, it could be as simple as sending the cue ball down table for instance and making your opponent do a longer/harder shot.
another example could be that you see your opponent has an easy run out but most of the balls are going to one pocket. a defensive shot could be blocking the pocket and then sending the cue ball down the table.
another example would be if the 8 ball is lying bad. you send the 8 and the cue ball to the opposite ends forcing your opponent to either bank or play a safety themselves.
as a 3 if you learn defense you will be able to keep up with 5's. from there it's just shot making ability and positioning.
3:10 That's not the tangent line. The tangent line is a line that intersects with the contact point at 90 degrees to the radius of the ball (a line from the centre of the ball to the contact point).
Youre right, thats not the actual tangent line. It’s just where the cue ball is going as a rolling cue ball. I’m using the words “tangent line” pretty liberally, my apologies 😔
Hopefully that’s not tripping up the point 😅
@@drewvonporte Yeah. I'm a pedant at the best of times. But I think it's especially important to use terms correctly when in an educational setting. You might know the difference, but the people who are learning from you might not.
@@sideshowrob5453 100%
I guess if people are actually gonna watch these videos (this one blew up 🤯🤯), I need to tidy the details!!!
I welcome feedback like this in future videos, thank you! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte Yeah. No worries. I didn't want to come across as rude. Just wanted to point it out.
Cheers.
Best of luck to ya.
It's the "refraction " line for the cue ball.... angle of incidence = angle of refraction.
7/9 here. If you’re out of line on the key ball that much you played the wrong pattern. But once there, up and down is the wrong shot. The correct shot is pure inside English, then take your medicine.
I agree that the best advice here is “Don’t leave yourself this crap!” 😅
I’m with you, too, that the play is inside with control…. But my own opinion is that is a pretty difficult shot to pull off for someone who doesn’t use english/sidespin yet, or at least with control. That’s just my opinion ! 🤷🏻♂️
The greater picture he transcends this specific key ball scenario, and just identifying a situation where “you cant hold it”. I think that’s hard to see here at first, and a cheap answer is to just send it to give yourself SOMETHING, ya know??
Hope the lower skill concept didn’t turn you off from my content altogether! I value the opinions of the good players that regularly show up with their perspectives!! 👊🏼 thank you!
In the last example wouldn’t right hand spin hold the cue ball better?
Well its so sharp, the outside/right spin will definitely slow the cue ball down, for sure…. But it will bring it back straight and cut directly across the small/tight position window.
Try it out! Id rather have a little bit longer shot and be in a nice straight position, than be closer and cutting the absolute hell outta the ball 😬
Great video. I have a 9 ball channel that I do with my phone. I don't have a camera or a computer so I don't edit. I'm in the APA in the northern Kentucky league and my team is " High Flyers "
That’s awesome! I’ll check it out!! Thanks for the feedback STICKROD!!! 👊🏼👊🏼
Yup good stuff
Thanks Jason! 🤙🏼🤙🏼👊🏼👊🏼
4 would be the last shot before I would shoot it. (personally I wouldn't class 5 as an easy shot - for me it would be low %).
I can appreciate that!
Player at the table has no easy safety.
They're in pretty much a do or die situation
Banking the 13 ball to the upper corner with stop English is probably their best bet to get out . The ball hanging in the side pocket is the big situation one. And the second situation.
Truth
If there is no traffic, i prefer to send it. Great video
If I’m in stroke, I think i use inside to hold it there……… I think… depends how much cash is on the rail 😅
Thanks!!!
To be fair that's really awkard position for that shot. With outside english, which is to the center of the table you have the best chance of getting shape on the next ball. As it will turn into running english which might get around the table, you could also just shoot with running english. Or if your really spicy, just wack it with nothing but follow. Should come back down table far enough.
I like this. You're not wrong at all!
I was gearing this towards my own SL-4's who are just starting to dabble with english (left/right spin), and emphasize "don't just hit this and end your run immediately. Give yourself a shot at SOMETHING!".
But yes, I would spin this ball as well I think if I'm sending it. Personally, I feel like going 3 rails (your first suggestion, with outside) actually has a lesser chance to scratch and larger room to land in!
Thanks for adding this!
Almost to 1k!
Thank you...
No, thank you 🤙🏼👊🏼
isn't the tangent line 90 degrees from the shot line? the tangent line looks less than that here.
It is, yes! I addressed this in another comment, but maybe I should pin one at the top :/
For whatever reason, I've always just called the cue ball's path the "tangent line". I learned a lot later in my pool life that the tangent line is very specific and a fixed line. Since people are actually gonna watch this (lol 7k! I can't believe it!), I need to tighten things up. I don't want to confuse people... My apologies!!!
Thank you for your feedback, and I absolutely welcome comments like this!
@@drewvonporte no worries! you're doing an amazing job! When you're editing the videos you could add the tangent line in a different color maybe? that way people who don't understand what it is can visually see it.
@@imanoobtuber awesome thanks !!!
Personally, I don’t “like” the tangent line itself. I feel like it’s not common for the cue ball to take the path of the tangent line, as it usually requires stun or pounding at shots, idk.
Sometimes I get worried I’ve gone a little too Bob Ross with all the colors and lines, so I’m hesitant to add another for posterity? Idk. BUT- I will address it when it’s important!!
Thanks again for feedback! I’m still figuring out a lot 🤙🏼🤙🏼👊🏼
@@drewvonporte totally understand the first paragraph.
for new players though they do need to understand it as when you add follow or draw you need a point of reference first.
Lots of new players in my league have zero idea of what it is and become bewildered when their draw or force follow shots didn't get the cue ball where they wanted it to go. Then you explain the tangent line and voila, it starts to click for them.
I’m going to start thinking more about this and the tangent line. Really
Easy safety on both shots anyway great video
Yeah, it was just the concept of understanding where whitey’s going and knowing when you can’t hold it.
Personally, for Alex’s shot on the 13 in his match, I DON’T think there was an easy safety but 🤷🏻♂️ that’s my ability anyway
Thanks for the feedback still!!! 👊🏼
@@drewvonporte yeah great video
Without English I stop at spot 3 before I go up and back down table.
That’s fair! It started getting pretty dicey after that 😳
Thanks for the input!!
Anyone telling you that 8 ball was easy obviously is a pro or sucks lol. You were right that’s not at all a shot you want to take on a money ball
It’s that recognition 💡💡 100%
Not making fun or anything, but it’s always impressive to me when the SL-4 gets horrendous shape, and they barely care, and just fire at a ridiculously hard shot and make it.
Shane (or any random pro) gets in that same position and he’ll kick himself for the whole 30 seconds and get worked up, and miss! ( not always miss, but still! )
no english on the balls... and what does open it up means :D right spin means it will spin to the right, so in this shot its a running spin too and the ball will move to the right after the rail but u can use left spin too :D
Exactly
Are you beginer player ?
I wouldn’t call me a beginner, no?
I could see how you could think that if you watch me play some though 😂🤡😂
@@drewvonporte What Aiming method do you use?
Point-and-shoot! Idk!
Dingus! You must be from iowa! Lol
😂😂😂 actually no. Pittsburgh!
No one is teaching you, because then you wouldnt be a 4
I was a 4 for a very long time! Like a 5 year-old pound pup, they said I couldn’t be trained 🦮
Second
You were missed
That’s how you get views tell people they have to look up the matches to see. 👎🏿
😂 to see what?!