Advocate's lack of complete preparation harms the client and therefore the Advocate must be fully prepared before the Argument and must appear before the Honourable Court with all evidences and books which has rightly been directed by this Honorable Court. It would save the time of the Court and also the dignity of the Advocate. All advocates must take a lesson from it.
Hon'ble judge was irritated because the lawyer had filed for a bail application when he could have argued for better remedy... basically either the lawyer was confused with the JJAct or he wanted to charge for an extra appearance while keeping the genuine petition on hold for some other day...New day, new fees afterall
Please telecast the proceedings of Madras High Court. People would understand the amount of stress borne by The Honourable Judges after viewing this kind of proceedings.
Shocking , even when I have to argue in magistrate court , i first like school days when I used to keep books in bag ,,keep all books ready with me , even if I don't face brief i make sure i have at least the bare act
I am not a lawyer, but if the Session's Court has arrived at a 'guilty finding' of the accused(Juvenile), then only thing which needs to be altered is the punishment awarded to the accused. A Convicted accused cannot be sent for a fresh trial before JJB, only modification of sentence is required. Section 300(4) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 (Cr.P.C.) and Article 20(2) in the Constitution of India deals with double jeopardy.
@@rcb1786 I meant to say the 'criminal trial' before lower Court in India can be conducted only once. If Police fails to prove their case against the accused, then no re-trial can be conduct by the lower courts. Even HC or SC can't order re-trial, if the judgment has been delivered by the lower court.
@@blabberbaba5439 Supreme Court can do anything, under Art 142. Even under Art 32 and 226, 227 as well as Sec 482 CrPC HC and SC can quash a judgement of the lower court and can order re trial. Many times re trial has been ordered.
@blabberbaba5439 Hi! How could you get this knowledge. Could you suggest me books Or video classes to gain my knowledge on law in india. Iam interested in learning law
@@kumara1696 Practical experience in Courts have honed my knowledge of laws and legal procedures. No wonder apart from theoretical study of law in colleges one needs practical experience as a lawyer in Courts to achieve better understanding of law.
yeh sab dekhne pe law pe aam logo ka vishwas or badega...nice job but time speed for justice to be shortend...this is the only factor for which some criminal do not get fear of law...
I'd say the advocate was 'partially' prepared but came in prepared based 9n submissions and facts which were presented by him. Going by the book always isn't necessary is what I feel, I might be wrong but it was quite obvious that if the convict is underage and has been declared a juvenile, he is bound to be presented in front of the juvenile Court.
@@marshallaw2138 Be calm while speaking.Take your time before you speak.have faith in your research, practice speaking... And even then you find it uncomfortable dont worry this is just your 1st time.....participate in more such competitions.... Beleive me after 3-4 times you will be comfortable in speaking...👍
REALLY SHOCKED TO FIND THIS ADVOCATE ARGUING LIKE THIS THAT TOO IN HIGH COURT. This is the level of this person coming to argue in high court. I thought they will argue like they show in movies and talk properly in English . I REALLY SHOCKED . The poor guy in jail claiming to be a minor still in jail because of this pathetic lawyer who is not fit to be a kinder garden teacher .
Lawyer was asking for a bail and not the better judgement because he wanted to extract more money from the client later on. He was acting dumb but he isn’t dumb.
Why these people wanted to become lawyers without knowledge and speaking talent. Because for lawyers their investment is fluent speech especially in English. These type of lawyers definitely going to ruin the life of their clients. God only should save the accused
This what happens when a half baked lawyer presents his case...no knowledge, no preparation. The BAR council needs to address this issue and have strict rules in place for a lawyer to get a licence. The quality of most of the lawyers in our country is very inferior and it a sad thing to say the least...cos they are the once who waste a lot of court's time.
Better order is acquittal buddy . The juvenile tried by the regular court makes the entire trial void an initio.. bail would mean that the conviction vis by a court of competent jurisdiction. This is falsified rlby the report of the juvenile justice board. Itself. Such a simple thing to understand Adv m s Talwar pb & hy high court Any
Every step in court needs to be on the basis of written provision of law. Just because it may seem obvious does not make it so. If the convicted criminal is found to be a juvenile after the conviction, it may seem obvious that he should undergo retrial or his sentence may be changed etc., but advocate needs to provide exact provision or judgement being invoked or relied upon to pray for specified relief. Else, just saying "according to me he should be..." is total time waste of court and his client.
If the submissions have proved already that the convict is a juvenile, I feel its quite obvious that he has to be presented in front of the juvenile Court since the very beginning. If we keep going by the book, being very particular of such meagre issues I don't think the judicial system is timely serving justice that to puts its decisiveness into question whether the judgement would be favourable or not.
@@mihirtiwari6124 You are already in trouble in your reasoning. Which is what happens when you try to make up the law as you go along. Should the conviction be overturned and the convict freed? Should the case be retried in juvenile court? Nothing is obvious. Only what is written in the statutes may be relied upon in a court of law.
Ek aadmi ke ghar mein ek crore nahi,do crore nahi balki 500 crore milta hai aur baad mein yehi aadmi karnataka ka deputy cm banta hai,dk shivakumar.har state ka yehi haal hai.
The Lawyer doesn't know the law. Probably the client is not in a financial position to hire a better lawyer. If the Judges are clear about the law, they don't even need the lawyer to argue on law apart from presentation of facts. The purpose of judicial system is to serve justice and not test the aptitude of a new lawyer. It seems the 2 Judges bench don't know the law and also suffer from anger issues. I often see that less knowledgeable judges often shout the most.
but since this a case which is a very obvious against a juvenile , the judge ethically need to pronounce in accordance to legally most sensible judgement....the judge can caution the council for not preparing his legal justifications but shouting and screaming at him is like putting shame to judiciary system !!
My lawyer fought my cheque bounce for 8 years. My opponent didn't bother to come after 3 years. My father died. I am from a highly educated family with lot of sanity. Imagine if I was from a lower strata of society i would have lost hope in the law and turned to crime from utter disgust. Then i would have been labelled a criminal. Lawyers can make or break your life. My lawyer worse than the the person who cheated me. I won the case but most my father and paid my debtors. I did not till date receive a single pie. This is Justice system in India. People told me get the matter settled with the help of the underworld. They were more organised and sincere when I approached them. But my so called educated background and so called society image stopped me from taking that part. The oy thing left on me is my dignity and no bank balance.
Carrying this educated and socially respected personality is useless . Telling this by my experience and experience of my 2 generation of family . I do run to court like a dog after criminals and police killed my sister and later i found this is common infact police and judiciary are left and right hands of criminals .
Check bounce is tried under section 138. Since it is a civil matter, you won't get much out of it. He could plead that he is bankrupt. It's very tough to get money back for check bounce. Add 420 with 138, which is a criminal case. Police won't file chargesheet easily. But, if you could get 420 included, you would have upper hand as one would face upto 7 years jail if proved guilty..
Is judge taking exam of advocate. If lawyer dont know point of law. Then judge should use his knowledge in order to give relief to accuse. Here judge is increasing the need of a senior advocate who knows everything and charges very high fees.
Why become a lawyer if you cant even read the bare act? This is really insane what hes doing. Hes relying on the bare act and doesnt even have it. What happens if the judge asks him to read the provision?
The Hon. Judge said the same thing:Do you want us to do research on your behalf? If Hon. Judges start doing this then one day they will be told to take reponsibility of police officers too for investigating cases.
Advocate's lack of complete preparation harms the client and therefore the Advocate must be fully prepared before the Argument and must appear before the Honourable Court with all evidences and books which has rightly been directed by this Honorable Court.
It would save the time of the Court and also the dignity of the Advocate.
All advocates must take a lesson from it.
This Judge was born to be a Judge. The way he says "Full stop"🔥
Hon'ble Judge is good. He is not angry on advocate but on his incompetency. It seems judge is concerned about the cause of justice.
You're right and that's why the honourable justice has been promoted to the post of honourable chief justice at high court of Orissa
Hon'ble judge was irritated because the lawyer had filed for a bail application when he could have argued for better remedy... basically either the lawyer was confused with the JJAct or he wanted to charge for an extra appearance while keeping the genuine petition on hold for some other day...New day, new fees afterall
Won't the client of this lawyer be in that court? Is he not likely to listen to this scolding of the judge? So will he overpay the lawyer?
@@kcvinu Do u really think they are qualifying enough to interpret the verdict 😂
In this case Judge was kind enough from my view #shamless-lawyer
Judge:-"We don't decide cases on General knowledge"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please telecast the proceedings of Madras High Court. People would understand the amount of stress borne by The Honourable Judges after viewing this kind of proceedings.
Tamil Nadu is hiding everything most corrupted as am from tamilnadu
Shocking , even when I have to argue in magistrate court , i first like school days when I used to keep books in bag ,,keep all books ready with me , even if I don't face brief i make sure i have at least the bare act
THANKS !
I really scare from the high court now. I will never practice in the high court district court is enough for me
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No now u become Supreme Court judge so you can scream at anyone
I am not a lawyer, but if the Session's Court has arrived at a 'guilty finding' of the accused(Juvenile), then only thing which needs to be altered is the punishment awarded to the accused. A Convicted accused cannot be sent for a fresh trial before JJB, only modification of sentence is required.
Section 300(4) of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973 (Cr.P.C.) and Article 20(2) in the Constitution of India deals with double jeopardy.
What do you want to say?
@@rcb1786 I meant to say the 'criminal trial' before lower Court in India can be conducted only once. If Police fails to prove their case against the accused, then no re-trial can be conduct by the lower courts. Even HC or SC can't order re-trial, if the judgment has been delivered by the lower court.
@@blabberbaba5439 Supreme Court can do anything, under Art 142. Even under Art 32 and 226, 227 as well as Sec 482 CrPC HC and SC can quash a judgement of the lower court and can order re trial. Many times re trial has been ordered.
@blabberbaba5439
Hi!
How could you get this knowledge.
Could you suggest me books
Or video classes to gain my knowledge on law in india.
Iam interested in learning law
@@kumara1696 Practical experience in Courts have honed my knowledge of laws and legal procedures. No wonder apart from theoretical study of law in colleges one needs practical experience as a lawyer in Courts to achieve better understanding of law.
yeh sab dekhne pe law pe aam logo ka vishwas or badega...nice job but time speed for justice to be shortend...this is the only factor for which some criminal do not get fear of law...
Court kam principal ka room zada lagta hai 😂
Yeah a principal having no knowledge.
Go to district courts . Its like nursery classrooms.
@@offred6013hahahhaa good one
Supreme judge... By far the best
I feel lawyer giving viva to the external 🤣🤣
Judge outburst is unexpected..
Supreme Court judges act and react more calmly and professionally
Great judge
No juvenile can be jail in life time
Juvenile act
I'd say the advocate was 'partially' prepared but came in prepared based 9n submissions and facts which were presented by him. Going by the book always isn't necessary is what I feel, I might be wrong but it was quite obvious that if the convict is underage and has been declared a juvenile, he is bound to be presented in front of the juvenile Court.
Exactly. But the lawyer should have known on what basis that submission is to be argued.
Check this advocate's pant if its wet
No preparation....
Maza aagya.. Kismat wale hi yeh maze le sakte hai.. Wished to be lawyer
Instead of filling bail petition, he should have been moved for Quashment Because such conviction was not warranted by the law.
This is me during my 1st moot court in ballb clg...😭😂
I think the same condition happens with me after my 1st moot court practice Lol what should I do ?
@@marshallaw2138 Be calm while speaking.Take your time before you speak.have faith in your research, practice speaking...
And even then you find it uncomfortable dont worry this is just your 1st time.....participate in more such competitions....
Beleive me after 3-4 times you will be comfortable in speaking...👍
REALLY SHOCKED TO FIND THIS ADVOCATE ARGUING LIKE THIS THAT TOO IN HIGH COURT.
This is the level of this person coming to argue in high court.
I thought they will argue like they show in movies and talk properly in English .
I REALLY SHOCKED . The poor guy in jail claiming to be a minor still in jail because of this pathetic lawyer who is not fit to be a kinder garden teacher .
Lawyer was asking for a bail and not the better judgement because he wanted to extract more money from the client later on.
He was acting dumb but he isn’t dumb.
This Advocate is not good.
A convicted murderer pleads that he is juvenile. What a sorry state of affairs.
Why is he called my lord? Lordship🤣 Hierarchy is unbelievable
Following the British 🇬🇧 legacy
Why these people wanted to become lawyers without knowledge and speaking talent. Because for lawyers their investment is fluent speech especially in English. These type of lawyers definitely going to
ruin the life of their clients. God only should save the accused
This what happens when a half baked lawyer presents his case...no knowledge, no preparation.
The BAR council needs to address this issue and have strict rules in place for a lawyer to get a licence.
The quality of most of the lawyers in our country is very inferior and it a sad thing to say the least...cos they are the once who waste a lot of court's time.
Section 83 pf IPC talks about juvenile.
Nowadays anybody becomes advocate..can't speak properly..no respect for seniors..only quick money by snatching seniors briefs..
Ye dekh kar lagta hai ki judge to kaam kar rahe hai magar lawyer prepared hi nhi rahte hai..
Lack of knowledge
Me lord, please don't scold any lawer in such angry way.
Aap vakeel hae ?
No brother
It's lawyer not lawer and advocates argue case in court in india not lawyer first learn diffrence between lawyer and advocate.
Shut ur mouth. Loser. No knowledge but giving your opinion on everything. Shut your mouth
Bery angry way, naat gud so bad judge bery naughtie.
Better order is acquittal buddy . The juvenile tried by the regular court makes the entire trial void an initio.. bail would mean that the conviction vis by a court of competent jurisdiction. This is falsified rlby the report of the juvenile justice board. Itself.
Such a simple thing to understand
Adv m s Talwar pb & hy high court
Any
😂😂😂
This judge is pretend to be unaware of any law about juvenile.
It's not the Judge's job to argue for the advocate's client.
Why didn't it resolve at the lower court?
Every step in court needs to be on the basis of written provision of law. Just because it may seem obvious does not make it so.
If the convicted criminal is found to be a juvenile after the conviction, it may seem obvious that he should undergo retrial or his sentence may be changed etc., but advocate needs to provide exact provision or judgement being invoked or relied upon to pray for specified relief. Else, just saying "according to me he should be..." is total time waste of court and his client.
If the submissions have proved already that the convict is a juvenile, I feel its quite obvious that he has to be presented in front of the juvenile Court since the very beginning.
If we keep going by the book, being very particular of such meagre issues I don't think the judicial system is timely serving justice that to puts its decisiveness into question whether the judgement would be favourable or not.
@@mihirtiwari6124 You are already in trouble in your reasoning. Which is what happens when you try to make up the law as you go along.
Should the conviction be overturned and the convict freed? Should the case be retried in juvenile court? Nothing is obvious. Only what is written in the statutes may be relied upon in a court of law.
This judge enger management.
In bihar one need not to study to become a lawyer.
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i guess even the judge dont need any qualification !!
Ye to halat hai yaha ki.
Ek aadmi ke ghar mein ek crore nahi,do crore nahi balki 500 crore milta hai aur baad mein yehi aadmi karnataka ka deputy cm banta hai,dk shivakumar.har state ka yehi haal hai.
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Since there is a rise of private law colleges in India, the quality of education has become poorer
What was the case.?.?.?
Suggestions. , Show the citation ok the case,so that we can show in court
Noted
The Lawyer doesn't know the law. Probably the client is not in a financial position to hire a better lawyer. If the Judges are clear about the law, they don't even need the lawyer to argue on law apart from presentation of facts. The purpose of judicial system is to serve justice and not test the aptitude of a new lawyer. It seems the 2 Judges bench don't know the law and also suffer from anger issues. I often see that less knowledgeable judges often shout the most.
U realise u can be prosecuted for contempt of court for this comment ….
@@pradeepbhai007 I am an experienced lawyer myself. Good luck with your contempt petition.
Sasta wakeel 😂😂
😄😄😄
Wahhh wahh
He
but since this a case which is a very obvious against a juvenile , the judge ethically need to pronounce in accordance to legally most sensible judgement....the judge can caution the council for not preparing his legal justifications but shouting and screaming at him is like putting shame to judiciary system !!
My lawyer fought my cheque bounce for 8 years. My opponent didn't bother to come after 3 years. My father died. I am from a highly educated family with lot of sanity.
Imagine if I was from a lower strata of society i would have lost hope in the law and turned to crime from utter disgust.
Then i would have been labelled a criminal. Lawyers can make or break your life. My lawyer worse than the the person who cheated me. I won the case but most my father and paid my debtors. I did not till date receive a single pie. This is Justice system in India. People told me get the matter settled with the help of the underworld. They were more organised and sincere when I approached them. But my so called educated background and so called society image stopped me from taking that part. The oy thing left on me is my dignity and no bank balance.
U won , did your opponent sent to jail? Or paid u money back?
Carrying this educated and socially respected personality is useless . Telling this by my experience and experience of my 2 generation of family .
I do run to court like a dog after criminals and police killed my sister and later i found this is common infact police and judiciary are left and right hands of criminals .
Check bounce is tried under section 138. Since it is a civil matter, you won't get much out of it. He could plead that he is bankrupt. It's very tough to get money back for check bounce. Add 420 with 138, which is a criminal case. Police won't file chargesheet easily. But, if you could get 420 included, you would have upper hand as one would face upto 7 years jail if proved guilty..
Incapable lawyer
Advocate not known about the law is disrespect to the court but what about the judge does not have any knowledge.
Lol he didn't have knowledge? That's how he became judge have some common sense dude
This judge can make modi pissed in his pants 👖
Is judge taking exam of advocate. If lawyer dont know point of law.
Then judge should use his knowledge in order to give relief to accuse. Here judge is increasing the need of a senior advocate who knows everything and charges very high fees.
Why become a lawyer if you cant even read the bare act? This is really insane what hes doing. Hes relying on the bare act and doesnt even have it. What happens if the judge asks him to read the provision?
Are you suggesting that the judge should argue and find a favorable remedy on behalf of plaintiff?
The Hon. Judge said the same thing:Do you want us to do research on your behalf? If Hon. Judges start doing this then one day they will be told to take reponsibility of police officers too for investigating cases.
Yahi to dhanda hai.
Lawyer is incompetent 😅😅