The Insane Data of Car Chases
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Nothing is more exciting than a high speed car chase -- and it turns out that almost nothing is more dangerous, too. Suspects, innocent pedestrians, and even the police themselves are subject to everything that makes watching movies like Fast & Furious or playing Grand Theft Auto a seriously entertaining experience. For thousands of people every year, that means serious injury and even death.
But the crazy thing is that we know exactly how to solve the problem, and no one seems to care.
I analyzed the data and even found an anonymous source inside a state police department who was willing to tell me how car chases really work. The result? We’re doing something that’s bad for everyone, usually for unimportant reasons, with life-changing consequences.
And why do we keep doing it? The benefits are minor and the consequences are major. But if all the data suggests the tradeoffs we make when we engage in car chases isn’t worth it, why don’t we just stop? That’s the problem here… and no one cares.
** ADDITIONAL READING **
Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Police Vehicle Pursuits, 2012-2013”: bjs.ojp.gov/library/publicati...
Fatal Encounters with Police: fatalencounters.org/
“High-speed police chases have killed thousands of innocent bystanders,” Thomas Frank, USA Today: www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...
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If you continue with dangerous car chases, the consequences are severe. If you don't, criminals go free. Either option forces a tradeoff. WHAT DO WE DO HERE?!
I belive they got number plate scanners. If nothing looks dangerous, let him go.
The cops in my area were recently curtailed in their ability to chase non-violent suspects. They threw a fit and refuse to chase violent suspects in protest. If they really cared about their own safety (like they say when they want more weapons) then they would applaud this new law.
Many countries have lots of cameras on the roads so besides identifying the plates they are able to identify the driver to some extend which makes it less enticing to run. Charge with additional obstruction to justice when caught this way and with enough word of mouth the idea of running will go away.
Maybe it is happening in the US because of training and the hero mentality that the criminal must be guilty of something more if they run away.
It seems like the obvious answer is to invest in tech and training which allows police to bring chases to an end sooner, which both reduces the risks posed to the public by the high speed driving, and also deals with the consequences we'd otherwise face by incentivising criminals to flee traffic stops.
Document the infraction.
If the offender does not stop, the owner of the vehicle gets an extra ticket when it's mailed to them.
Police cars might need a different color light. Green means, traffic infraction, you have 30 seconds to pull over. If you don't, the cop will turn the lights off and leave you alone, but your ticket will be much more expensive.
Also, you are assumed guilty if you don't pull over to discuss with the officer. You are not allowed to present evidence in court. You might not even get a hearing in court.
lesson from my grandma "If you get in trouble with the cops don't run. I'd rather pick you up from the station than from the morgue"
mine would also have added "don't be afraid of what cops could do to you, be afraid of what I will"
Yeah and then you don't run, they think your phone is a gun and you still end up in the morgue.
@@matteofabbris7877 I think crime rates would be lower everywhere if we all had family members that treated us like that.
"The world would be a better place if parents threatened their child with death" isn't the flex you think it is.
@@JasonOshinko
It's not a threat, its explaining the consequences of a potential action.
For example if I tell my son "Don't jump off that cliff or you'll find yourself dead" that's not a threat
That'd advice
I have a crazy story. I was on I-10 doing the speed limit, it was windy and dusty but visibility was still fine. A cop got in front of me to pull someone over ahead of me, and motioned with his hand for me to pull over, I thought he was motioning to the other driver so I kept going as they both went up the offramp. As the cop neared the top of the offramp he swerved off the side of the tall and steep embankment(must have been a 40' drop) crashing through a bunch of bushes and struggling to maintain control and went fishtailing into the freeway, nearly hitting a vehicle traveling at freeway speed, then after regaining control he proceeds to pull me over for going a speed that wasn't "reasonable and prudent" even though there was no danger in going that speed at that time. The dude was out of his mind with adrenaline by the time he got to my window. I didn't argue... I'm thinking to myself, "no, what you did was not reasonable and prudent."
What he did was truly insane, I'm not doing it justice with my description.
american cops are not police officers, they are reckless children playing rambo
Cops put themselves above the law and blame everyone else when something goes wrong
It’s so unbelievable that I don’t think you could make it up 😂
Thank God you didn't argue. This cop would've been crazy enough to shoot you for, "resisting arrest".
Just a thought, meth use is common in America, police forces not exempt
My dad could have easily died in a crash like this. He was driving home at night after a wonderful day when he stopped a high speed police chase when the suspects ran a red light and crashed directly into the side of my dad's car. They hit directly behind where he was sitting, and his car did two 360's and crashed into a guard rail. My dad was EXTREMELY lucky; he walked away with minor injuries. The officer doing the chase thought there was no way my dad survived the crash when he witnessed it. Even more lucky than my dad was my mom, brother, and I. This crash happened the day I was born. My dad was driving home from the hospital while my mom and I remained there overnight. My mom could have easily became a widow that day, and I would have never had a dad or a little brother that was born two years later. My entire life would have been different... And if my mom and I didn't stay in the hospital that night... Well, it's hard to say if we would have been in the same place at the same time... But if I was in the car during that crash... I would have died. The impact was were I would have been sitting.
Or the delay from putting you in your seat could've also saved your life ?
I just ruined a good story, but i am glad you're alright.
@@FirstLast-xt9ig ah man you didn’t ruin it
@@FirstLast-xt9ig 🤡
i'm happy you're all ok bro
damn this gave me chills
I have noticed on channels like Code Blue Cam that breaking a pursuit is pretty common now. They'll chase them so long as they stay within about 10mph of the posted limit on highways or 5mph of posted in populated areas. Once it goes beyond that, they back off, kill the lights and just keep an eye out for the vehicle, the person who was driving it (if known) and the registered owner(s); hoping to catch them when they are outside of the vehicle.
Exactly. This video blows it way out of proportion IMO. Also, most of the statistics shown include lots of unrelated things; They aren't just pursuit related. Primarily, the leading cause of LEO deaths being "Vehicle Accidents" is portrayed here as all being pursuits. That statistic, actually, is primarily made up of officers parked on the side of the road and getting rear-ended, or just regular crashes like other people have. One of my friends got into a wreck on duty because a guy blew a red light while he was driving entirely normal, just patrolling. He wasn't severely injured or anything, but had he died he would be part of that "Vehicle Accidents" statistic as well. That's the most obvious one I picked out, but I'm sure if you did a bit of proper digging you'd find similar things with other points made.
@@sammym6239"If you go digging I'm sure you're find similar things with other points made". Please do elaborate because I think you're totally full of shit. I'l trust the facts VSauce presented as stated.
just so you know: this is a US thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in other countries police won't chase people violating traffic rules because, as long as you have the licence plate, the criminal can be identified and arrested afterwards
in the US, people drive cars that aren't theirs. Like their boyfriend/girlfriend's car or a friend is lending you a car, etc. This is why you cant just arrest the registered owner. Vehicle ownership is much lower in other countries compared to America due to urbanization.
@Earthplayer but they can clone plates pretty easily
@@megazombiekiller9000 you say this as if car loaning isn't a thing outside of the US lmao.
even then, it's still useful? the police already uses license plates to nail other offenses like skipping toll booths, there's no real reason why evading a speeding ticket would be any different.
if the vehicle was borrowed and the cops have a single braincell rattling around in their empty heads (which is admittedly a high bar for them), then confronting the vehicle owner is a good way to figure out the confusion. suddenly you have contacts with a citizen who knows the suspect intimately enough to loan a car. seems like a win-win to me.
@Earthplayer so right after your two year check you replace the plate. Cops can't check the sticker if they don't stop you. They also can't send you straight to jail for a fake plate if they don't find out its a fake plate until a month later when the driver you send a ticket to says he was in a different state so it can't be his car.
a lot of the flashiest problems are just a US thing it happens when you live in an entirely vacuous capital culture
I had a police chase go through my yard last year.
The state cops knocked on my door and notified me of the property damage. It was just some tire treads through the grass.
Neighbor's lawn decoration was much more seriously affected though. I felt bad.
It's funny to look back, since it didn't even wake me up, but imagine if that vehicle went through to the house or something. Would've been a shit way to wake up.
here in Brazil this would be impossible because all the houses are made of masonry and just like the walls have concrete that would make the vehicles turn into scrap metal. but even so, a resident was killed by a truck that lost its brakes on a steep descent and plowed into his home like a bulldozer.
Sounds great if you were fine in a hypothetical. Getting to sue cops quite the rare treat😊
Or never wake up to?
In Canada we had a police officer visit my primary school for a Q&A his answer to "have you been in any car chases" was basically "lol no we don't do that, it makes no sense. It's way too dangerous. We just track the suspect and arrest them later".
They're weak
@@hamnchee he didn't say who it was too dangerous for, if you watch the video it's too dangerous for everyone, literally everyone including people unrelated to the chase entirely
We do do car chases in Canada, but they are far less common and only happen when we are trying to stop them from doing something worse or suspect them of being guilty of something worse that we can't prove without catching them (like having a trunk full of drugs or something). So, they are much rarer. To call them week like @Visda58 accuses... that's just ignorant. Our cops receive WAAAAAAAY better training than US cops. Who are basically given a gun and trained to treat everyone like a empty bottle on a fence.
@@Draidis Yeah this was basically the long answer of what the officer said. Car chases are only for when the suspect themselves causes more public danger than a car chase would. Which is a very large amount of danger
@@hamncheeat least 5hey are not …very slow learners…like most of the 🇺🇸 here in the comments present themselves…
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@@SPAMMAN123456789damn it. Now I can't unthink VSauce.
Your main assumption is that these deaths would not have occurred without the chase. This is a false assumption.
I see Kevin as vsauce in caps lock, everything he says always sounds like he's angry at reality and now you, the viewer, have to listen to his rant
Meanwhile Jake is like the really smart stoner friend who goes off on unimportant tangents that make way too much sense
In the UK usually they dispatch a police helicopter and as soon as they have a visual the cars back off.
many american cities do similar too
not all tho and it's not universal (and smaller cities commonly don't have helicopters)
This would be a great better solution. Kind of a "best of both worlds" method. Does the speed way down but still allows for justice and the prevention of further crime. I've seen cases of gps trackers used as well.
Ideally this would be how its done in the USA and some bigger cities do this but we have a much more decentralized population. A police helicopter makes sense if you're a city with hundreds of thousands of people. It doesn't work if you're a town of 40,000 and you're not near a big city. Perhaps someday drones will be the norm.
The USA does this with drones in many cities, but the USA is much, much larger, so it's not practical in most cases
So in other words, you get a level 3 wanted star right off the bat?
They implemented No-Chase laws here in Philadelphia for people on unregistered dirt bikes and quads on the roads as it was such a dangerous lose-lose for both sides (and the public). There was a huge culture here for it, though I have seen it subside a bit over the past few years.
I moved outside of the DC/baltimore area a few years ago so I don't know if it's still happening, but those ATV/Enduro gangs were insane. They would clog up streets in the tens to HUNDREDS sometimes, and just randomly assault and rob people by surrounding their cars at least a few times a month. It was absolutely terrifying.
@@elanv Seems like the sort of folks you'd want the police to enforce the laws against, doesn't it?
@@elanv why don't the citizens defend themselves? if they're literally that thick and engaged in violent felonies, shouldn't they be easy to assault with firearms? what is the 2nd amendment for?
@@WhiskeyNixon I've seen videos of those mass biker floods. Problem is, a lot of the dudes who ride also carry. And when it's 3-4 guys with guns and another 10 with bare hands and blunt objects, what's 1 guy with a pistol going to realistically do?
@@WhiskeyNixon Unlikely to be able to carry in Philly, Baltimore, and especially DC. Most don't carry due to the unlikeliness of conflict and the huge hassle of possessing a firearm legally in the area.
My cousin was killed in a car chase that involved the police chasing the guy down the wrong side of the highway. The cops should have stopped (expecially because the guy's crime was that he was driving without a license and had stolen his grandfather's car) and I have no idea how they didn't see a crash coming.
She died immediately in the head on collision with the runner, and her best friend who was in the passenger seat is paralyzed for the rest of her life. We miss you Christie!
Holy shit that is aweful. my condolences and best wishes to the paralyzed person.
Protect and serve.
I wonder which of those that was.
I was in the middle of a police chase once. Mom was driving me to school, and we were parked at a red light. A madman zooms by us and crashes into a lamp post, and not a minute after he got out of the car and started running, two cops going faster than him zoom by either side of my moms car. Almost took out her mirrors. If any of these cars had hit us, we'd both be dead.
Man, imagine a 25 mph car chase. Someone could sketch the whole thing before it passes by.
To be fair, I'd like to see you try to run 25mph and keep up with it
to be fair the safety of cars from that era was completely nonexistant
Wasn't that a lot of the OJ chase? Idk it was a long time ago but I swore it was "a low speed chase".
And still there were injuries
@@RichardBaranell yeah, the Juice was the first thing came that came to mind for me. It was a low speed chase and I remember watching it live in tv and it was surreal.
I was almost killed in a high speed police chase last week. They were going over 100mph in a 35 chasing a little Mazda or something. They flew into the wrong lane of traffic to avoid a line of cars giving me only a split second to slam on my brakes as they almost hit me as they swerve. I was making a right turn and it all happened so fast and unpredictably.
When I was a kid, my dad owned a nice movie theatre. Everybody in town knew him. When Smokey and the Bandit played (it was also shot in the area), he would stand outside the theatre thanking everyone for coming and caution the young guys who might be a little pumped from seeing the Bandit have so much high speed fun to drive their date home safely.
Lesson from my dad: you can have the fastest car in the world but you’ll never outrun a police radio.
*BET*
* Getting into Delorean *
youtube channels of people outrunning the cops seemingly as a hobby seem to disagree
Blacked-out chargers at night: *What good is a radio, if they can’t see you?*
@@MrOiram46 if you dont have lights on then they cant see you but you cant see the road properly
if you have lights on they can still track you
A 23-year-old cop on a chase recently killed a 60-something guy by running his car off a bridge in my hometown. Also have a friend whose grandfather was killed as the result of a police chase. People just going about their lives shouldn't be put in those situations. It terrifies me.
So focus on stopping crime, not encouraging it by handcuffing cops. Encouraging crime isn't the solution to helping people who are just going about their lives.
@@MikeKayK Please explain how banning car chases is "handcuffing cops". It's saving lives, which is the main point of law enforcement. Chasing someone who is on a murder spree is one thing, otherwise there is no excuse to put peoples lives in danger.
@@dustman96 It's HANDCUFFING cops because you're not allowing them to even attempt to arrest someone just because they are running away. And you're sending the message to all criminals, including violent robbers, rapists and murderers that they need not fear the cops anymore because all they have to do is hit the gas.
@@MikeKayK It's almost certain they are going to get caught anyway, one way or another. The likelihood of them committing another serious crime in that time frame is negligible. We are sending a message that the cops respect peoples well being, and building respect for the cops, which lowers the likelihood of people running or otherwise harming or disrespecting police.
@@dustman96 look up the moped wars in London. Operation Venice.
Car chases in movies haven't been the same since I really thought about this.
Well I'll argue that car chases in movies can sometimes be for a legitimate reason, since most of the time the character in pursuit is actually posing a threat to human lives and not just trying to flee for minor traffic rule breaking.
Quick question, if the only punishment is to be a fine, why run? I posit it is possible that many stopped for minor offenses are likely responsible for much worse crimes.
Survival. The odds of a cop killing you for absolutely no reason are extremely high in the United States. I've never been pulled over but I would definitely try to flee than take my chances on not being killed by the police.
@@LincolnRon idiotic delusion
@@LincolnRon Show some stats. Though the belief that that's the case *is* an issue and it's the media that's to blame for that. I've been pulled over several times and the only consequence has been a lighter wallet.
Considering one of the listed offenses is DUI...
look up “acorn cop”
Dude arrested a man, put him in cuffs, in the patrol car, then an acorn fell on the car and the two officers mag dumped it
Weird timing; I just started watching police chases on YT last week. For whatever reason there are a large number of them that occur in Arkansas.
Also, just had a police chase that ended less than a mile from my house. I've been driving by the oil stain in the road where the driver drove over a raised sidewalk area and broke open their oil pan. He killed a 72 year old pedestrian right at the beginning of the chase.
Kevin would have you believe that it was the cop chasing him who killed the pedestrian. Let's handcuff the cops even more.
@@MikeKayK Yes, because the likelihood of the pedestrian being struck rapidly approaches near-zero when you don't initiate a chase in the first place.
@@MikeKayK Actually, that isn't at all what he said. Did you watch the whole video?
Re: Blame - 11:16 "when the driver chooses to slam on the gas to escape consequences"
It is, ultimately, an unanswerable question; would the driver have killed the lady if he wasn't trying to flee? Would his actions have harmed others before the authorities caught up with him by other means? No one knows for sure. Fact: until the police involvement, at that time, it was only a welfare check.
The point of the video, to me, it seemed, was a statistical analysis for possibly re-evaluating our policies on police pursuits of apparent non-dangerous offenders. No system is perfect; they all require ongoing analysis and redesign.
The police in the US are far from handcuffed; unless you consider the constitution to be excessively liberating.
Something that may or may not be related; the US has one of the highest incarceration rates of all nations... and, I believe, the highest rate among developed nations.
@@spnyp33 You're right, I guess it depends where you live. In democrat cities, police are villains, criminals are heroes, and victims are told to accept their fate. Absolutely no need to chase in NYC because even if caught, they'll be back out on the street by sunrise. Crime keeps going up? Who'd have thought?! By all means, announce to ALL criminals across the country that all they have to do to is hit the gas.
@@MikeKayK people's lives aren't worth tax dollars or traffic laws
As soon as i opened this video i thought, "ooohh, Charlie would love this one" and then you go and say it yourself 😆
Great video as always. In their defence car chases in films are never over minor driving offences... Perhaps that'll be the next Fast and Furious film.
@@Muhahahahaz
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I’m confused you are showing statistics of something like minor traffic offenses making it seem like that is all they are guilty of but these individuals aren’t fleeing because they’re worried of receiving such offense. They often are wanted, have illegal firearms and drugs. What are the statistics of the individuals who flee and end up with felony charges aside from directly the chase itself? Large drug seizures happen all the time as a result of minor traffic offenses
Absolutely loved this video! We need more of these "look at this stupid problem in society, and look at how ez it is to solve"
If the problem were so easy, it would have already been solved by now. The issue is that it isn't easy. There is so much to this problem that he avoids discussing in this video in order to make his point.
When someone proposes a simple solution to a complex problem, it's nearly certain that they don't fully understand the issues at play.
It would be easy if it wasn't America. No other country in the world has this issue.
@@mactassio21 nah he is right, ban cars, cars cant kill anymore. simple. just like guns.
Explain what points he’s avoiding?
I think people usually run from a minor traffic violation because they are afraid of getting in trouble for something worse.
i.e. they have drugs in the car, have been drinking, have a warrant, body in the trunk, etc. That's why they get chased.
The obvious question: Are they really running for the traffic violation, or are they running because the traffic violation leads to them getting caught with or doing something much worse?
An extremely simple point that was clearly just purposefully ignored in the whole video
@@sir6037probably made in order to act as if it was a case of police brutality, as if the police were being totally unreasonable and picking unjust fights with the civilians.
11:16 Maybe finish the video.
@@hattielankford4775 what exactly does that time stamp prove? Did you think nobody would check?
@@sir6037 I hoped that you all WOULD check, watch, and understand. I can't do anything about stupidity, though.
Are there any studies in states that have implemented this that show whether or not more vehicles flee knowing they won’t be chased?
But how can you check that the driver was car owner? What if he wasn't? How to choose suspect if not catch him?
Math, guessing and records
Edit: and for the US it's racism too
It's almost like licence plates are easily removed and swapped!
@@theKashConnoisseur someone committing a minor offence is unlikely to try that hard
@@consensus688 but you can't tell the difference unless they stop. Minor offence and murderer on false plates will both run.
@@guy- cry me a river
I guess the counter argument could be that if everyone knew cops wouldn’t chase you, would that dramatically increase the amount of reckless driving therefore increasing vehicle related deaths?
I don't see how that would happen, it's not like people would escape the consequences of reckless driving - just because the police don't pull you over at the time you committed the crime doesn't mean they can't say show up at your house and arrest you for what you did. It may make it a bit more difficult to catch car thieves, but apart from that it should be fairly trivial for the police to track down a person after they flee from a traffic stop.
They start due to a traffic violation but a vast majority of the indivudals who run have a larger issue at hand. I do feel that some places are way out of hand with these chases. We have invented new devices such as trackers or grabbers that instantly stop cars yet we dont use them... Why!!
I once had a cop teacher, and he said how one of the things he liked avoiding the most is car chases, just about every story that involved with a car chase was a disaster.
A chase realistically only ends in two ways:
The suspect willingly / unwilling stops and goes on on foot (boxed in, mechanical failure)
Or
A wreck.
The chase is almost never worth whatever you’re trying to apprehend the suspect over.
The problem is that most of the time when a criminal flees over a minor traffic violation, it's because there is a much more serious violation that the officer will discover if the criminal were to pull over. Showing up at their house the next week does no good when the evidence is long gone.
I feel like this is glossed over way too easily or conveniently
Clearly he's never watched any of those videos. The cops may be initiating the stop due to something minor, but they generally flee because they're guilty of much more severe offenses. He makes it sound like cops are the instigators of a high speed chase due to a tail light and the person doing the actual running has zero culpability.
if you flee from a stop sign that should immediately 100% of the times give a search warrant on all cars, houses and properties of all family members of the owner.
False. Most of the time they are running cuz they are scared. And how does that excuse killing innocent civilians? unless what the cops were gonna find is a nuclear bomb, its not worth it.
@@rjgraddy11 I feel like you care more about putting a harmless drug addict away than the lives of that innocent family they showed...
There is an additional thing that causes police to want to nab the driver now, not just rely on the vehicle. In many jurisdictions, they need to be able to positively identify the driver - not just who owns the vehicle. So if they only have a view of the license plate/rear of the vehicle, the driver can pretty easily got the charges dropped.
Unless the original charges are a violent felony it's not worth the risk. So what if some guy gets off on a broken tail light and speeding?
@@ericbsmith42 exactly. Let it go. Focus on real crime.
Risk death of you or innocent people for a broken tail light? If I were the officer, I'd just go to the registered keeper of the vehicle and tell them their tail light is broken and issue them a warning, with the requirement for turning up at the local police office showing the issue had been repaired.
@@ericbsmith42 Vehicular fleeing is a felony in most jurisdictions. And depending on the level of recklessness while fleeing, it can even rise to a deadly threat justifying deadly force as a response.
@@theKashConnoisseur so you want cops shooting at speeding suspects in the middle of traffic? Bro.
One could argue that when someone flees the police in a simple traffic stop he immediately becomes a danger to the public.
That's like everyone first argument before dedicating another 5 seconds to figure out why it's not valid, and im just repeating the video; Someone that got away from the cops for a misdemeanor is WAAAAAY less dangerouse than 2+ vehicles speeding and trying to pull trick, unless the suspect has a minigun and has obvious intentions of a worst conclusion than a car chase
@@1lukarioz wouldn't this kind of rule incentivize people to run if that's all they have to do to not face consequences?
@@waggish4999 Yeah, but they can read your plate & come after you later.
@@waggish4999 No. They take note of license plate and car model, so they can easily track you.
@@baribari1000 how do you track someone who doesn't have plates if you can't chase them? gl looking through every BMW or Nissan Altima in the state to see if you got the right person
I would love to see a video breaking down more stats about police departments.
A few months back my car was broke into and my AirPods were stolen! Luckily, you can track AirPods using your iPhone. I called the police to help me retrieve my stolen headphones, but when they showed up they said there was “Nothing they could do” without giving any explanation as to why.
Later that week I was driving down a new road that was JUST built in my neighborhood, there was a Speed Limit sign visible when you were driving north down the street, but they hadn’t installed the 25 MPH for Southbound drivers yet. Unfortunately the road was quite wide and not necessarily residential so I was going around 40. I was pulled over and told “it doesn’t matter that I couldn’t have possibly known what the speed limit was” and got a ticket anyways.
It seems like lately the main job for the police is to collect $$ from ridiculous traffic stops on innocent people while not helping solve real crime like theft and vandalism.
For like half the price of the ticket, you can get a lawyer to have it dismissed for you. And it will be off your record.
Well that's what the "people" seem to be lobbying for. Neutering the police and having them fine the good citizens while leaving actual criminals alone.
In most places the unmarked speed limit in a residential area is 25 mph. You weren't "innocent", you just didn't realize how you were breaking the law.
@@derekroberts1693 Define "a residential area". Because in most of the USA there are frequently houses along roads where the posted speed limit is 30, 35, 40, even 50 in rare cases where there are multiple lanes. Driveways emptying directly onto a divided avenue where the posted speed limit is 50. I drive on it every day on my way to work.
@@Yonkage-ik5qb those are posted. They are saying unposted. FL is 30mph unless posted otherwise.
There's a big oversight in this. We need data on how much more likely people will flee when they know police wont chase them. That could have even more dangerous consequences.
Obviously much more likely. He completely brainfarts on the fact that people run even after a "moving violation" because they don't want the cops to see that they're impaired, have warrants for major crimes, etc. He wants to handcuff the cops and give incentive for criminals to commit more crime because they know they can just run and they won't be chased. Brilliant.
You have the data from other countries
a relative of my family was put in critical condition from the suspect choosing to hit him instead of the spike strip from a car chase he got away and still cannot find him tracking these suspects must be nearly perfect for these to work.
Where I live we stopped car chases starting by not chasing anyone. Works every time.
Where I live we stopped homelessness by giving everyone a house.
In Italy (where I live) and in virtually all of Europe, Police *do not chase* cars for *any* reason. They just take note of the plate number, they follow them using the now ubiquitous surveillance camera and they set up roadblocks. That is *all*. Moreover, they *do not* use firearms on the street (with the single exception of self-defense).
Thank you so much for bringing back VSauce Mind Blow!! Everything you've put out is a must-watch. 🤘✌️
Most things. Not this nonsense, though.
@@theAstarrr Just this video. We need tech to immediately disable their vehicle if they start running. That's the solution. Not more policies that handcuff cops and prevent them from enforcing the laws, and not more policies that allow arrested career criminals to be back in the street by sunrise. Emboldening criminals to commit MORE crime is NOT the solution to save lives.
@@MikeKayK ah yes, lets say they implement this literally tomorrow, and every car sold after today has this shut down chip in it. What are the odds of a someone running from the cops in a car with a shut down chip?
Car chases are the kind of thing that are enjoyable at a distance but terrifying up close.
I'm glad Vsauce2 still uploads pretty frequently. I miss V1 :(
Thanks for the 'Real Word Science' again.
you mean corndogwillie?
I love every one of these police data videos. Interesting stuff!
I am so glad there is finally a really great and informative video about this important topic to spread awareness! I’ve had the same thoughts about this issue many times before, and he’s right that the answer really is right in front of us. Not engaging in a chase lets the situation deescalate and cops can simply catch them later. You can’t bring back the lost lives.
Simply catch who later?
Lol
In Canada its the opposite and drunks get away all the time later killing people. There's a balance somewhere
@@MikeKayK alligator.
Cops have never been good at deescalation. What the hell else are they going to do with their guns?
Love the new content! So glad you’re back!
I had a close run-in with death the other day when a fleeing vehicle sped past me as I was crossing the street. A brigade of police followed in pursuit. I didn't even register it until the car turned around and sped back in the opposite direction.
that's not what NDEs are
@@tafazzi-on-discord Fair enough. Edited.
one statistic that I was curious. of the chases which started because of a minor infraction, how many were people fleeing because they had done some more serious thing? not saying that justifies the risk of a high-speed chase by any means.
There can be complicating factors. People might have illicit substances (itself a minor infraction), be on parole or have exaggerated beliefs about the risk of being stopped thanks to media hysteria. It's a discussion with complications and nuance and this video has done it a disservice by being very one-sided.
Watching car chases with Charlie is my guilty pleasure
if the criminal escapes the car chase or if the police let them go, the police may know who owns the car, but there's no evidence that that person was actually the driver right? I think that would make it difficult for the ticket to hold up in court but if any lawyers or judges are here please explain better how that would work out
Exactly. This video got me angry because I know it is coming from a good place but he spent 13 minutes telling us about the reasons not to give chase and condescendingly told us "the solution" without giving ANY thought about that solution.
@@claytoncourtney1309 The "simple" solution. To which I counter with the simple law of unintended consequences.
Great video! My guy still didn’t even touch in the financial cost of these chases.
I went on a road trip around America last year, and for the first time I saw a car drive away from a cop. Right in the middle of town a cop pulled over a car and then 5 seconds later, the car zoomed off and the cop chased after them. They must’ve been going over 70mph in the middle of town. And their engines roared for a solid minute off into the distance. Car chases are very exciting 😅
I avoid being injured or killed and endangering the lives of law enforcement officers in potentially deadly chase scenarios by - and stay with me, this is where it gets complicated - not fleeing from the police.
Potential and completely self-inflicted problem averted, with no effort at all.
It really is the easiest thing I do, and I have been known to both blink AND fart, sometimes simultaneously.
Tell that to the families of the thousands of completely innocent bystanders who have died in these high speed pursuits when things go wrong. It's not just the people being chased or the police who are at risk during these chases - it's everybody. I had neighbours when I was a kid where both their parents died after a car smashed through the living room of their house attempting to flee from police. Like it or not there are completely innocent people to consider here, even if you couldn't care less about the life of the person who decided to flee.
When I first heard that our local police were going to abandon high-speed chases a number of years ago, I thought that was crazy. But then I realized that these chases posed a greater risk to human life than the suspects they were pursuing.
I've heard of more and more places passing no chase laws in recent years. So some people have already started taking action
Say what you will, but I was in a police chase that went through three police barricades and several civilian cars. I was abducted by some guy off his meds. The cops finally disabled the vehicle and ripped us out of the suv and turned me away so I wouldn't see them beating the snot out of the guy 😂 I definitely understand some of these chases.
I still get a bit of PTSD when a cop pulls up behind me and turn on his lights. Not that I am scared of them, but there is an involuntary response where my blood pressure spikes and I get massive adrenaline dump. Lol. Trying to explain to the officer why I look so nervous and my hands are shaking handing over my paperwork. 😅
I'm not from the US. It always seems so weird to me that i saw in hollywood movies or the internet police cars (and even ambulances) speeding to the point that you could easily crash. At first glance, yeah sure they are chasing a criminal or maybe even try to save a life especially in the ambulances' case. But even almost worst case scenario(exception beeing serial killers and mass murderers) what is the point of risking other peoples' lives in the name of saving others. I thought i was missing something about how things work there, but maybe not so much.
The public is supposed to yield to emergency vehicles, which includes pulling over and coming to a complete stop as soon as you notice the emergency lights/sirens and staying stopped until the emergency vehicle(s) passes. It's perhaps one of the least followed laws in the country due to lack of enforcement. Of course, how can it be easily enforced when the emergency vehicles in question are occupied responding to something?
Still, if people would follow the law and pull over like they are supposed to, speeding emergency vehicles would not be nearly at the same risk.
@@IRNoahBody If you think American society *lacks* intelligence, I'd like to know what country *you're* from.
You know, glass houses?
The majority of police chase crashes happen because of cops reckless abandon and think they are James Bond or something. Most of the time crashes happen either at intersections where there's cross-sectional traffic or when a cop attempts to turn a corner and runs into someone or someone runs into the cop as you can't see lights around corners especially when there's a giant store on every corner blocking the view. Also police sometimes disregard all common sense and try to cut through parking lots or drive onto sidewalks endangering unsuspecting civilians.
@@theKashConnoisseur almost everyone pulls over but sirens are not that loud when you’re in a metal box specifically designed to dampen noise from outside listening to music. You can’t always see or hear cops that are BEHIND someone they’re chasing, especially if they are moving erratically and perpendicular to you. I think you’re pinning the blame in the wrong place. Even if you were right, that’s probably the hardest factor to control. Why not control the cops?
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 If your music is so loud you cannot hear sirens that are designed to be audible from MILES away, your music is probably too loud for you to hear horns honking or people screaming "STOP, YOU'RE RUNNING THAT CYCLIST OVER!!!", etc. which suggests that maybe your tunes are a little too loud for safe driving.
The cops are controlled. Every department has it's own policies on chases, which take into account the uniquely local situations that videos like this never could. But we also have rules to control the driving population, which are intended to make the roads as safe as possible. If people are ignoring those rules and causing increased risk, it makes no sense to crack down further on the police. It's generally ill advised to reinvent the wheel when a perfectly good wheel already exists.
This simple solution has many problems. Most of the time the fleeing driver has not been identified, and using the registration information isn’t strong enough to hold up in court. When pursuits are terminated, the fleeing driver is almost never held accountable.
Also, when criminals know they don’t have to stop for police they are more likely to flee. This is why departments who used to have a no chase policy reeled back on those restrictions.
In reality most departments are adopting pursuit policies that are similar to what the video suggests. Saying nobody cares in wrong.
change laws to make it hold uo in court.
@@tafazzi-on-discord Yeah, you'd need a constitutional amendment for that or something. You typically need evidence that people have committed the crimes they're accused of. It's kind-of the whole foundation of law.
@@chaos.corner the evidence is that the car they own didn't stop at the police's orders. That's evidence for a crime, the owner either helps to identify who's responsible or they get the consequences for that crime.
@@tafazzi-on-discord Yeah, that's not going to happen outside your head or in some country without a common law style justice system. A law like that wouldn't last 5 minutes in the US.
I don't know where you get the idea that no one seems to care. Most agencies have implemented pursuit policies to reduce the number of chases - at least in my state. There are very few approved reasons to pursue, according to our policy, and even then, the chase typically gets terminated a few minutes in.
Ah yes. This is why in need for speed I try to make sure the cops call it quits because they think it's too dangerous.
If you wait to get them later, how do you legally prove they were driving at the time of that chase? Seems like a big hole in the suggested solution
Police can say "I witnessed you driving the car". Dash or bodycam footage could show you driving the car. Traffic cameras can show you driving the car. Your neighbours security cameras could show you were driving the car. Your mobile devices could show you were in the same place as your car when it failed to stop for police. Your friends or family members could say you were driving the car when questioned by police. Sure it's not as fool proof as catching someone in the act, but it's not like this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time already - person flees and escapes then denies it was them driving. They usually are caught and convicted because there is a ton of evidence they are lying and that they were the driver. It's not like this is a crime one usually plans out, it's a series of snap decisions made in a panic and the odds you'll make them all well enough to escape consequences for your actions are small.
Even though I think you're right and all departments should implement no-chase policies, I think there is something important missing. Even though most chases start off for something minor like a traffic violation, the person fleeing usually has something to hide or a deeper reason to flee. A regular Joe is not going to flee for a stop sign or speeding ticket. But someone on parole who doesn't want to go back to jail, or someone who has meth in the car, might, for example.
Still sounds like it’s not worth chasing them on the road.
Many people might just be terrified of cops for very good reasons. We can't have judge dread cops running around assuming your guilty until proven innocent.
@@22burnsieso you rather them to just keep doing what they want without consequences? See people like you that are soft on criminals is the reason why they are so many criminals out doing what they want.
At the end of the day the question is fairly simple - is it more risk to society to allow the person to flee, or more risk to engage in a high speed chase to catch them immediately? And I simply have a hard time believing that more people would die if you let the parolee on drugs flee and then tried to arrest him later at his house than if you engaged in a high speed car chase to catch them right away.
Cop: turns on lights
Suspect: I demand trial by combat.
>that moment when you forget that humans enjoyed watching gladiator fighting
The solution needs to be nuanced. An instance of a drunk driver being let go, after the initial pull over resulted in him killing some people that same night. Its a hard nut to crack theres no one solution fits all answer.
Finally someone with an active brain in this comment section
The solution is to be able to remotely disable the car. Not handcuff the police and encourage more crime, like the video suggests.
Great point, and great illustration of why simple answers to complex problems indicate a lack of understanding. If the police fail to stop a drunk driver who then ends up running over a family trying to cross a street, everyone would be up in arms over the police refusing to chase, and rightly so. With fleeing police generally being a felony charge, it's not an action we expect otherwise innocent motorists to engage in, and the assumptions that a fleeing suspect must be up to far worse is a logical one.
You have to turn this into probabilities.
Drunk driver DD is fleeing (100% as otherwise the decision doesn't have to be made).
DD is a risk if we let him go what chance of killing someone?
DD and pursuer are a risk if we start chasing what is the higher chance of a death?
DD is more likely to reoffend if allowed to escape what chance of future incident?
There will always be examples where the choice made turned out badly but overall you have to be aware of the tradeoff and at least put it out as a decision not as a reflex to start the chase.
@@andrewharrison8436 Except if he's let go, it's not just DD who will be likely to reoffend. Many other potential DD's (and robbers, and rapists, and murderers, and drug dealers, etc.) will be emboldened to offend as well.
In the UK we don't tend to do close in car chases, but we can afford helicopters.
And when we do, 99% of the time, they don't end with the police violently ramming the suspect off the road like American cops seem to do.
The US is also 4000% larger than the UK. It’s great that major metropolitan areas can afford helicopters, but much of the US can’t.
helicopters cant see through tree cover
@@EC-dz4bq Good thing Europe chopped down the majority of their trees centuries ago lmao
helicopters dont usually crash into pedestrians/cars/get in life ending car accidents so I would say thats a good thing! american police are vastly, massively overfunded, and typically have multiple helicopters usually- but also outfit their vehicles to make them more deadly in a chase. they choose to endanger lives instead of using better methods. Police copters also dont have to follow roads so can more easily track the vehicle, and can travel at up to 150 mph and work well to follow fleeing suspects. So funding and abilty arent the problem, american police are messed up man
Love this statistics/crime series content! ... well, actually, I hate that this content exists but I love that Vsauce is pointing it out.
So if you flee the police you should always be charged with wreckless endangerment. Pretty weird to look at this problem the way you do, what reason does someone have to flee, risking all these lives over just a busted tail light?
But if we never chase, then everyone will run
why run if nothing is chasing you? and police can just track them later as someone committing a minor offence is unlikely to try that hard to hide
@@consensus688 obviously they try hard enough to have a deadly high speed chase. Why wouldn't they hide?
@@consensus688 That's the same logic police use! Since it's generally a felony to engage in vehicular fleeing from police, the thinking is that the only people who try to run are those who are guilty of something far worse than a minor traffic infraction. And as such, they are the kinds of criminals we want police to be chasing.
Fireman's rule or not, When a criminal does not pull over and speeds off and someone dies in the chaos, they are criminally responsible under felony murder. Injury probably goes that way too.
I've seen a few chases recently on local news here in Southern California. They definitely are keeping their distance nowadays compared to what I remember growing up in the late 90s/early 2000s. I definitely don't see them driving recklessly on pursuit.
This was an amazing video! I just wanted to ask you, what music did you use?
Sorry Kevin, Fast & Furious isn’t about car chases… IT’S ABOUT FAMILY!
You got him
literally came to type this i was so triggered.
Nope. It's about narcs.
The problem is that if you stop police chases, criminals know they have a higher likelyhook of getting away with crime if they are able to get in a car. It can have a snowball effect to where you end up with more crime.
Maybe with the advent of drones and automatic lisence plate regustry you can just turn the screws systematically without any chase. Just by suffocating the suspect out of options with strategically placed police all around.
I really enjoy watching videos like this. Keep up the great work Kevin.
2:28 Charlie watching this video when he got mentioned:
"WOOOO!!! Yeah baby! That's what we've been waiting for!"
I'm glad some people are talking about this at least. My grandma died from a police chase before I got to meet her. Never liked cops since I was a kid because of it.
The police in southern Oregon actually disengage if it turns into a chase. Better to track from the sky.
I bet even though they start out as simple violations that lots of those people running will go to jail on warrants and other things.
This is why car chases in the UK are quite the rare thing. For the most part they only engage if they are hazard to other immediately.
Love this series
Care chases are kind of like modern day gladiatorial fights. The carnage and destruction are the point, because people can't get enough smashy-smashy. But I REALLY think this is one "sport" best left in fiction.
Not a chariot race?
@@nahometesfay1112 Well okay, i guess that's another good example.
The Scranton strangler chase was the most iconic
They’re looking for drunk drivers to fine. That’s why so many chases start over going too slow
How do the conclusions of this video relate to your video titled "Crime Stats Are A Lie"? Is it the case that the statistics about violent crime are unreliable, but traffic violation and car chase data are reliable? How is that? Does the data come from somewhere other than law enforcement agencies?
Its about spin. They can misrepresent violent crime statistics because that all happens behind closed doors, but chases get a lot of attention and happen out in the public so they can't spin them so much.
In the US you can get in an argument with your wife, and be arrested for domestic violence.
Because we can see the cars do it. Police chases are things very easily catalogued because... police are monitored when they do such things.
Do you think regular people are monitored as much as cop chases? It's really not remotely the same
3:49 this averages 338 deaths a year. Now compare this to the amount of times car chases have saved lives. To put this in perspective, you have a 0.00008% chance of being killed as a result of a car chase (assuming you could be a criminal or bystander, also assuming you live until 80). This is 1 in 1.25 million odds (in the US)
Do you have the data on how how many lives it saves?
@@SpektralJo Stopping a single large drug trafficking shipment of fentanyl is likely to save many more lives than all those lost in a year of police chases. If the criminals who traffic fentanyl knew they could have evaded arrest by simply running, but due to policies allowing chases they pulled over instead, it would be quite easy to argue that having a chase policy saved a large number of lives indeed. And similar logic works for black market firearms traffickers as well.
A couple years ago I witnessed a high speed chase west of San Antonio. I came to Hwy 90 from the north and noticed a heavy police presence at the crossover to get to the east-bound lane. There were two cars practically blocking the path through with the officers standing next to the cars. They motioned me through and I turned toward SA. As I pulled out of Castroville a car came out of nowhere and passed all the traffic by using the left median and left turn lane. I never saw it in the rear view. I think the speed limit there was 50 and the car was going twice that fast easily. I looked up and saw the red lights in the rear view and pulled over to let them pass. There was border patrol, county sheriff, state DPS, and several unmarked vehicles with lights in the chase. After the initial 5 cars passed the traffic continued eastbound, but that wasn't the end. More red lights appeared in the mirror and a group of 10 more passed through..., but that still wasn't all. A few minutes later another group of slower authorities passed us going 80+. I knew something would be on the news that night, but there was nothing. The next day they reported that a high speed chase ended in San Antonio with the driver escaping through a wooded area on I-10 (90 and 10 join in San Antonio). The driver knew the one exit in the area where he could escape through a thick mesquite underbrush and get away on foot by crossing a creek. I don't know if anyone was injured in the pursuit, but it seemed like a miracle to me that the driver was able to go 50 miles or so without hitting something. Obviously the local police along Hwy 90 knew the chase was underway.
How many of those traffic violations are someone having a warrant for their arrest?
the "easiest way" toprevent deaths from car chases is to do the chase until you have a clear image of the driver and the license plate and then to let them get away. i mean in germany we have cameras that are good enough to take photos at nigth that look like they were shot at day time with a cristal clear image of the interior of the vehicle, so if the driver isn't wearing a mask or costume that makes him/her unrecognisable, then there is no real reason to continue the chase because you already have all the data you need to find him/her again.
I knew someone who does street racing late at night. Usually it just means accelerating with another car from 50-120ish on a mostly open highway.
I’ve heard of people crashing sometimes but rarely, and never fatalities.
I live in Denver and I’ve seen lots of really misleading news reports that paint the issue as a danger to all society that must be stopped immediately. Some police districts have in the past taken the extreme action, and I have personally seen cops harassing people in parking lots just enjoying cars.
What I’ve heard is that anyone pulled over for a contest of speed will get arrested with tons of extra charges slapped on. Because of that a lot of the guys won’t pull over.
yeah overenforcement can also do that esp when it results in you having to get a defense attorney just to get the extra bs charges dropped
Maybe not street racing is the solution.
"I want to do this crime and I'm salty that I get punished for it"
You might like to look up the 2017 Bourke St Massacre here in Melbourne, Australia. Police policy was to always back off from car chases. Then on 20 January 2017 a driver, after having evaded police for most of the day, drove down a pedestrian mall in a reckless manner and killed 6 people in the process. Police policy has since changed. They will now do things like ram vehicles or fire upon them, if the circumstances require it (in their judgement).
Anyone else notice vsauce sounded like bubbles from trailer park when he said "easily entirely preventable"
The one note I'll make here is one of the last things you said: It took *6 years* to find the guy who was fleeing from the police. There *wasn't* an option to just "nab them later" in that case.
True. But they didn't nab him during the chase either and 3 innocent bystanders were killed. So still would've been better not to pursue.
Yes, there wasn't that option but there was an option to not kill 3 people.
But they did get him later. 6 years, but they did get him.
Honestly, whether they got him later or not at all, innocent people died. It wasn't worth it, that's the point
@@andrewharrison8436 Wait, I'm sorry. *Whose* car collided with those three people?
I like Arkansas state policy: pit and take them out quickly as possible regardless of the speed. I have no sympathy for ppl who run and endanger others lives
ASP: We will send you into a bar ditch head first at 130 MPH if you run.
Moving to Arkansas! Wait, they're probably pro-life, too. Damnit...can't win.
@@MikeKayK Why are you pro choice? And so pro choice that you can't be around pro life people? I'm just wondering, legitimately curious as to your perspective?
@@jazzabighits4473 Old Republican men denying bodily autonomy and stripping reproductive healthcare for women in a country where church and state should be separate is one of the most vile and regressive policies you can possibly implement.
My dad almost died from a chase. He wasn’t even a criminal or officer just a bystander. The odds of him living to the end of that week were about 1 in 350. He is alive with literally no signs of it other than surgery scars. Insanely lucky
Read a news article that came out today regarding a reckless driver in Central Washington State. Several state troopers saw this driver blow by them at over 100mph and they had to make the call not to pursuit. Statistically that’s the right call but the driver ended up going into oncoming traffic and killed two kids. The driver walked away and was laughing about the situation. Very tough situation for the cops but realistically, there was no way that incident was going to end without a crash. Just sucks that innocent lives were lost.
Seems like you're d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't as a police officer these days.
i'm very curious as to what counts as 'Job related illness' for the police force
Injury, forgetting to turn on safety or just regular recklessness leading to accident
It's one of those "injuries" they sustain while someone was "resisting arrest".
@dustman you put that in quotes like we aren't attacked on a daily basis 🤣
@@PAS2010D Are you saying that police officers are attacked on a daily basis?
@@PAS2010D Attack, get attacked back, kind of how that works sadly. Works both ways though as im sure you know.
Part of the issue is that if everyone KNOWS the police policy is to not pursue, then everyone would just flee. Think about the game theory aspect: if 100% of the time you get no consequences for fleeing, who would pull over?
Non-pursuit cannot be a policy. The real question is in what circumstances should the pursuit be called off? Speeds over 80? When the pursuit moves towards neighborhood streets? In the dark?
The interesting part is that once police policy for non-pursuit is known by criminals, they will learn to create those exact situations to avoid apprehension. Oh, game theory, you squirrely and psychopathic yet somehow logical beast. ;P
You don't need to know "game theory." This is common sense that somehow eluded him.
what? no... many countries have this policy as its safer ... who cares if someone flees... you have their plates... here in Canada cops follow you and if you go over the speed limit they end it as its not worth putting peoples lives and cops lives at risk
@@emko333 if the person fleeing is a drunk driver who ends up driving onto a sidewalk and killing a family after the police decided not to stop him, people might care. If the drug dealer who sold your kid an overdose managed to evade police a week earlier due to no-chase policies, you might also care.
It's not a zero sum game. If people are being pulled over for street racing or reckless driving, or driving drunk etc, there's no reason to expect them to suddenly start being safe while evading arrest. People still get ran over in countries with no chase policies.
In most (normal) countries, vehicle pursuits don’t happen, especially not for petty reasons like ignoring a traffic stop.
Most procedures involve recording the wanted vehicle, and set up interception points down potential points. A “pursuit” may still be carried out in the form of having a car following and seeing where the wanted vehicle is going. Only in very specific circumstances where pursuits are absolutely necessary (such as immediate threat to human lives) are they authorised and still generally frowned upon.
As it turns out, 95% of the time, pursuits only make the perpetrator drive more dangerously and take greater risks to evade capture. Interception or foot pursuit after the driver gave up are almost always safer and yield higher results in capture.
“Sonny boy, they don’t do it like they used to. Back in my, I was thrown from the vehicle during a high speed pursuit, blasting speeds of up to twenty-five miles per an hour!”