The most miserable place explains how to fix men's mental health | Extreme Britain
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2024
- Shoreham-by-Sea is the most miserable place in the UK so we decided they know a thing or two about how to cope.
With men's mental health in the toilet, we thought who better to ask for a solution.
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People are working too long, too hard for too little.. Exactly
Many simply aren’t working…
Isn't that what life is normally like? What it's always been like?
@@octavianpopescu4776I'm not sure there's ever been a time where so many people felt such a sense of hopelessness and futility with their work. People have always grafted, but in the past, work had more tangible purpose and outcomes. So many jobs now just seem to be keeping people on the treadmill. And working hard is no guarantee of a good life - many people are struggling and stretching themselves in work, just to get by.
Are they? Most middle class do not start work until their mid 20s after uni. My grandad left school at 14.
@@jim-es8qkstatement not true, and great for your grandpa.
As a guy in my young 20s, I feel like I'm drowning in this country with no hope of a happy future. Wages are stagnant for 15 years, house prices are through the roof, fk all jobs in any market, I'll probably have to work until I'm 75 or dead. The young are so clearly being neglected and the older boomer generations favoured by the government. WTH happened to 'Great Britain'? Elections are coming but I'm not so sure either big party will achieve any good. For most young Men's mental health issues, 'awareness' won't do shit - we want to see change for the better.
Wages haven't gone up n real terms since the 80s. Why? Immigration.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 everything is made cheap in China and then imported, making industry here unprofitable and wages have stagnated.
I feel like this is everywhere in the West. For whatever reason, the boomer generation and any generation after it is very individual, and fail to understand the idea they got to realise a future for the next generation. A lot of jobs are devoid of meaning, and a lot of inventions we create are for consumption culture, not for the betterment of man. We invent technology to distract ourselves away from live, instead of making it. Europe is demanding a huge cultural revo lution I believe, we should stop being made into mind less consumers and become healthy humans again. (changed some words because of the RUclips censor system)
I feel the exact same. Thankyou for your comment
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542oh fuck off.
How did immigration cause wage stagnation rather than your tory mates? Who have ruled UK continuously apart from 13 years in between?
Having purpose in life is important to mental health.
Every avenue in life has become stressful. Poor jobs, poor pay, high university fees, poor expensive homes, high bills. It is almost like the Tories have deliberately created misery for our youth. This system has been deliberately created without consideration for the people it is supposed to serve, to serve the interests of the few.
It was the Liberal Democrats that were behind charging for university, when Nick Clegg and David Cameron were in coalition.
Largely this society as it stands now has been created to maximise shareholder value.
Maximising shareholder value is essentially financial suicide, but is very common in countries going through late-stage capitalism, exactly the same as when a private equity firm kills a company for financial gain, the same happens to nations. Endless corner cutting, spending cutting, layoffs, corruption, efficiency efficiency, efficiency, efficiency.
The United Kingdom is a "mcdonalds-ized" economy, and private equity firms along with trust managers are widely responsible for the global economic downturn, and meteoric rise in inequality of the last half century.
Regrettably I firmly believe this would be happening right now regardless of what team was elected to parliament.
Politicians, like all people, largely serve themselves. Politicians on both sides of the political spectrum, for example, support defunding the IRS (HMRC). There are tens of trillions globally in evaded taxes.
The IRS in America estimated in a statement to Congress that proper funding would supply the US with an absolutely fucking astounding 500 BILLION PER YEAR in currently evaded taxes. For perspective, thats double the US annual military budget, and their military spending is greater than every other country in the world.... COMBINED.
And yet both republicans and Democrats still chose not to properly fund their taxing institution, as a result of this same thing occuring all over, the tax offices of the world largely only audit low earners, because they actually have the budget to pursue those people, rather than persuing fund managers, who have millions to spend on the worlds greatest lawyers to defend their corruption.
So.. why do Politicians never vote for proper funding of taxing institutions around the world? Well... because they themselves are wealthy.
Many politicians are fund managers themselves, of have trust funds set up for their children.
Largely, these trusts (if managed by your average rich professilnal) are invested into private equity, a system of company and currency shares unlisted in the public stock market. With trillions in hoarded, unsold, and untaxed assets. Luckily for us all, private equity firms are slowly beginning to see small political retributions for their asset hoarding, but the damage has already been done. When you have a company like Blackrock, who owns a large portion of the global real-estate market, the resulting price squeeze has been utterly absurd.
Sadly, now that this has happened, this money is possibly going to simply just remain in the hands of the absurdly wealthy. Post world War 2 Europe and America has seen some of the highest equality ever, an abnormal high. It is entirely possible that wealth will now remain profoundly unequal for the next 200 years until the next secular cycle. I hope to god I am wrong. Historically home ownership was a luxury for the ultra rich, I hope to god it doesn't go back to bring that way.
The most simple fix for many of life's modern problems (inequality, housing prices, poor public health, mental health, cost of living, crime, immigration, gentrification, racial tensions, climate change & more), and the battle against private financial institutions is to build absurd amounts of new housing, and to build it right.
Source(s) ruclips.net/video/4ZxzBcxB7Zc/видео.htmlsi=v8Sk6MsP0qknTikN,
"How money works" & "whatifalthist", RUclips channels.
Enormous amounts of new housing, in a mixed use distribution, with new business and service developments spread evenly throughout, in an easily walkable, non-vehicle-dominated manner, with minimum floor space greater than 79 square meters, is the most sure fire way to fix so much of what the private equity sector has laid waste to in this country, but there are significant political hurdles.
You are so right!!!
I work out in a gym where their voters (all pensioners) sit about all morning putting the world to rights. This is exactly what they voted for. And it’s for no other reason than they are bitter and fear the grave
The investors have been buying up new builds, so covering our countryside in concrete is not the solution for England. Nor is it environmentally friendly or good for the natural wildlife habitat. We have to announce a National State of Emergency, put our military on the borders, and put a ban on immigration for ten years apart from for exceptional circumstances. We have to support our farmers for food security and say no to the corporations of Net Zero. @@Micamicamico
Too much of the male identity is defined by career, status and achievement. And sadly, in the UK at the moment, the system is set up so that too many people fail, feel betrayed or that they're not achieving the recognition they deserve. A lot of my friends define themselves almost completely according to their job, which doesn't leave much to cling onto if that all goes to shit.
Another problem is male loneliness. A lot of men simply don't have friends. Some of that is related to the pressure of work and the exhaustion that brings. But it's also a cultural issue in the UK.
To feel happy and content requires a balance of focus on work, family, friends and meaningful, purposeful, enjoyable activities. Too often men neglect at least one of these things (and probably up to 3 of them).
@@blackbird5356 A good point, but this also shouldn't mean we don't bother trying to change the outside world for the better! In reality, happiness is reliant on both internal and external factors!
My dad was a postman..my mum was a lollipop lady. They worked hard. Were able to buy their own house and retired with decent pensions. That's vanished for many communities.
No it hasnt lol. Every decade has had harder times than 2024!
@@leeofdoom4452what he's saying is that you simply couldn't afford to buy your own home and raise a family on the wages his parents would have earned. As for decent pensions, forget it.
@@gmc9451 of course not...
But you could also travel back in time and be a very wealthy person on the salary we earn today...
What's the point
@leeofdoom4452 you miss the point. Entirely it seems. My parents weren't high earners. They could buy a house without taking a huge mortgage. They could save money for a rainy day. I earn more than either of them did and I cannot. Nor can anyone I know.
@@wolfywolfson but they earnt together, in a time where their earnings were in line with their outcomes.
I earn now double what my father did 30 years ago, but I am not living twice the life.
Your not understanding basic economics
First guy was spot on. We work too long, too hard and for too little because we have too many Multi millionaire, Landlord, Privately Educated, Media Obsessed, Part Time MPs
We work too long, too hard and for too little = Then make a business and provide services? Then by many businesses leaves to competition and less depending on government hand outs? Then you can be your own homeowner and invest in your own education in accounting which is the language of business :)
@@yoyuepzyou may have a good point, but your reply is really difficult to decipher. Apologies if English is not your first language, but I just don’t understand what you’ve written
@@yoyuepz ??
@@clareshaughnessy2745 It clear, start a business and depend on your own two feet and not on government hand outs
@@Jon-xw9om :)
Lost my career job at 49, by age 52 all my long term friends were dead and others away in foreign lands, same time parents and younger brother in Australia were sick and dying and had to spend a fortune on flights. We had to leave London because wife got breast cancer and lost her job because of that. We found a nice Midlands town and survived on savings and shitty odd McJobs. Since retirement life has gotten even more miserable because the big fat tory coucil closed down the leisure centre for good. There is quite litteraly nothing to get up for, go out for nor come home for. Wife blissfully unaware of this wasting away life as is content with 12 hours a day TV. We still cant get medical appointments either, never mind anything to do with mental health.
Oh, man. I'm sorry. When you hear people who know NOTHING telling you to "pull yourself together" and "snap out of it" they don't realise that this catastrophic social and economic system - which was kicked off by a sheltered, ignorant, grocer's daughter from a Lincolnshire backwater - is coming for them too. Good luck to you both.
Sorry for you and your wife's predicament, you're not alone feeling this way believe me. Good luck for the future..!!!
It’s no wonder people are leaving the UK. It seems to be getting grimmer each year.
maybe she is not content, but just doesn’t want to complain or seem ungrateful. I feel for you both.
Since retirement life has gotten even more miserable because the big fat tory coucil closed down the leisure centre for good. = you depend on goverment. Forget politics, why not offer yourself and open a business? Provide a service which people want, this generates incomes and then you pay tax and ask your local people who you help to fund something better than a leisure centre, maybe a park for bikes or outdoor activity? 12 hours a day watching TV? How is that helpful? Why not learn a language for 1 hour a day and invest in yourself? And offer this to the local community as a service? There are many options to break the cycle.
Build more houses, cap rent increases. Greedy landlords are a big part of the problem.
Any good or service vital to the functioning of society needs to be (at the very least) regulated by the government. To get out of this mess you need stronger regulations on healthcare and housing (short term benefits) and most importantly education (long term benefits).
Less people is better, we need the countryside and no more debt borrowing hundreds of billions for housing, we haven't even got the infrastructure for millions more houses
@@moosky7344 Typical blame the immigrants instead of the politicians. This is the Tories' strategy and you fall for it.
The real enemy is unseen. They’ve been there from the start. Letting you wave your flag and believing any of it was really ever yours. The establishment never lose. Despite vile, untold greed and disgusting genocide.
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The real enemy is in plain sight, it's those who Orwell described as the Intelligencia and they have been chipping away at our freedoms since the end of the 19th century through a method called permeation.
The House always wins
You are so correct
Can't beat 'the system'.
Tax the rich for mental healthcare.🌍💚🌎and decent green jobs, building trams, lightrail, eco friendly housing.
Sorry, best they can do is tax cuts for the rich.
mattliamjack3293 for PM!
The rich are leaving the country, even Arabs are leaving throughout Europe to move to the Gulf States and Malaysia, they seek a better life for their families that the UK doesn't provide.
@eliakimjosephsophia4542 and you know this facts how?
More millionaires have left this country since the beginning of last year than Russia. Who are you going to tax when there are no rich people left?
Tbf fair to the bloke, theres not that many woman dying of testicular cancer, he's not wrong
It was pretty obvious what he meant
Did you just assume their gender..
And it’s not 1 in 3 men dying from it …as though a third of men have been wiped out !?
@@manhoosnick did you just make a tired joke?
@@watchmejumpstart24 yeah but I'm just a goofy guy making silly comments with reckless abandon
I'm a man, there's no good way to put this but I've had really severe struggles with mental health and not once did I think to blame women or the increasing presence and adulation of women in society. People are taught deliberately to see gender as a zero sum game, in reality a rising tide lifts all boats. When it comes to men's mental health we can afford to help everyone at the same time, and be much better off as a whole.
Same. Never crossed my mind that my mental health problems were due to there being too many women on TV. I think it's more ideas of what masculinity means which is the problem. That is something which only men can really change. I don't think we should get carried away with the idea of a mental health crisis affecting men in particular though. Women are still more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety, and male suicide rates are higher partly because they tend to use more lethal means. So this idea, which some of the respondents seem to be suggesting, that women somehow have it easy compared to men is not true.
It's a trap to fall into, and there are so many divide and rule traps that do not improve equality.Like you, I do not blame men for my problems experienced as a woman.Increasing poverty and inequality needs to be tackled by all of us struggling, by getting wealth taxes as a start. Then, getting more political power to make changes that benefit us all.
Just to counter this, I get where your coming from, but you may be a victim of taking in a narrative.
Men today are told masculinity is a problem, it isnt. Aggression is good, leadership is good, protectiveness is good.
To use an example, and this isnt blaming women, but men are not allowed to legally have a club, event or activity that is solely Male. That is ILLEGAL! The mens toilet is today the only space men can have that can be masculine and uninterrupted.
Every other space in society, caters for every demographic, except men.
I help a mens mental health charity, we applied for funding for 2k, to help pay for a venue. We were told by the council, that a mens only organisation would not only not be eligible for funding, but would be reported to prevent.
its traditional to punch down at things you see around you. unfortunately women are not protected in law like other groups are so you can bad mouth them as much as you like, its almost like the politicians want you too as a distraction.
@@GreatSageSunWukong wtf hahahahaha
2:20 that dog is how we fix mental health
That dog knows the secret of how to have a happy life.
He’s a good boy 🐕
Make them prime minister!
No, not everyone likes dogs.
Yes, I know this post is in jest but seriously...
Well done Thatcher you and conservatives have turned the UK into a dump.
Got it in one ...that's when the rot started
Lets travel back to 1916, when the UK had a population of 90% Christians. Why were they impeciable dressed? Why did they laugh when playing with friends? Why was they clean and wanted toliets and an ashpit according to the Tenders in the historial records? Who destoryed the Christian culture foundation of the UK? Why were people before working and yet they were much more happier? I have seen short films of people during 1901 and 1905 where they were smiling and happy and no one was thinking about mental illness, maybe they believes in God? And not government values?
Absolutely
@@yoyuepzthat is a very narrow view of Britain historically. Living conditions in the early 20th century were awful for vast swathes of the population. Slum clearances were yet to happen in London itself. You've seen a couple of images of the smiling gentry and made an assumption that this was the norm. It categorically wasn't.
Neo-conservatives = both Tories and New Labour, to be honest
Pursuing martial arts as a discipline has improved my mental and physical health more than any, counselling, medication or any other forms of treatment.
Humbleness, inner vitality, patience, hard work, comradeship and seeing the fruit of my labour pay off.
But ultimately its alright to ask for help, we all need help in our lives whether your struggling with mental health or not. Iron sharpens iron, and ive very greatful for the struggles I've had to overcome.
Fortunately im now in a position to help other men and women find affective coping mechanisms.
Stay safe out there Kings/Queens!
The dancing dog at 2:21 in the background was awesome 😂😂
Beardy guy: "Let men talk more. But not if they've got an agenda. Only if they're for the status quo. That'll fix things."
Right!? I know nothing about football but when he said Lineker I thought “oh.. at least that’s someone to still look up to for having good character and speaking out against things” but then… well I guess he’s agree with my judgement of Lineker but he somehow sees that as a bad thing!? 🙄
The problem isn't celebrities who speak out against the status quo. The problem is celebrities who speak out about subjects they know little to nothing about, present opinion as fact, and have an agenda that benefits only them. Linekar is a good example of this.
Linekar doesn't have to worry about HMO's full of "asylum seekers" opening next door to his house. He doesn't have to worry about his kids getting to and from school without being harassed or stabbed. He doesn't need to worry about them struggling to find work. He doesn't need to worry about them struggling to afford a home. He doesn't have to worry about ULEZ or the cost of Euro compliant vehicles. He doesn't have to worry about taxes increasing. He doesn't have to worry about members of his family dying whilst on an NHS waiting list. He doesn't have to worry about cultural conflict in the UK and, if it all does eventually kick off, he can move to any country in the world he likes to get away from it and take his family with him.
Instead he shares his opinions that seem to equate to *if you don't support asylum for everyone who is brown you're a racist, cruel-hearted Tory*. Having seen so many colleagues experience the highest of highs and lowest of lows (alcoholism, gambling addiction, drugs etc ) he could have actually been THE figurehead for a mental health movement for men in the UK. Instead he appears to care more for men from outside the UK than those within it. The same men who are effectively driving down wages for the least skilled and taking vital resources away from those who are here.
Yeah, that was such an odd take lol
He just said “free speech is when you say stuff I agree with”
I think everything you have stated is about this Government, and not Lineker! Asylum seekers can’t work legally.
Could not agree more. I came from Lithuania. Worked entire time. Im 28 now, with mental issues. Work never provided enough, but the load meant no time for taking care of myself. Generations of men will get destroyed if this set up persists.
PHILOSOPHY needs to be re introduced to the school system. A life without philosophy is a dead life.
Agree.
philosophy, the art of thinking to no end, no conclusion, just endless chatter leading to madness
@@samquinten philistine take
Anatomy has to be introduced into education, food and what people consume has a huge impact upon the brain and body.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 that was part of my biology education
Cold take but (man or woman) it's hard to have good mental health when there just doesn't seem a lot to be optimistic about. We've left the EU which is still feeling as much a disaster today as it did 6 years ago, every public service provider (Royal Mail, NHS, Trains, schools, the justice system, water) appear to be on their knees, economic growth is low, inflation is high, house prices and energy bills are higher than ever before, the job market is pretty rubbish, and global climate change is on track to make everything worse tomorrow than it is today. To quote the Big Lebowski, "Nothing is fucked!? The goddamned plane has crashed into the mountain!"
And that's just the stuff off the top of my head, I'm sure others can add more.
It's bloody depressing that after 12 years of Tory governments we now have that giant b*stard Starmer to look forward to. Basically nice tenths of a Tory.
Not to mention the increasing costs associated with a rapidly ageing population coming down the tracks in the next decade. The country is addicted to pandering to people who won't be here in a generation's time.
To counter this, mens health trends are near identical across the western world. So Brexit cant be blamed for American mens sui..cider rate, or Swedish mens depression can it.
Of all those things, they are highly pushed political issues forced down your throat in the attempt to scare you into voting a certain way...
Climate change isnt really a threat, we can remove CO2 from the air lol it's just expensive and noone will do it. As soon as it become affordable every government will tell you theyve fixed CO2, but the aliens are around the corner hahaha
We*re all supposed to be rugged individualists who look up to the billionaires.
Nothing to do with leaving the EU mate. It's all to do with Blair's plan which the tory's have been faithfully implementing for the past 14 years
Nelson Mandela? No wonder people are depressed when they're expected to become the president of South Africa following years of incarceration.
I think what the man at the end said is right, a lot of people are being overworked which means less leisure time to hang out with friends, spend time outdoors in nature, pick up a sport/hobby, or learn a skill e.g. which imo would greatly benefit a lot of men.
Facts!
When people have less time to take part in anything besides ‘work’ life becomes more difficult and flat.
It makes life feel like there nothing to it besides making a living.
A major theme so far little discussed in the comments is the breakdown of physical communties and replacement with cyberspace. So much of our time is spent on social media platforms that are deliberately designed to anger us so that we continue to engage with them. In the meantime, social institutions are being gutted and the economy is fracturing, so we form fewer close relationships/friendships and hence increasingly rely on toxic social media to maintian any kind of social life.
One thing that has done wonders for my mental health and helped to form friendships has been to go to my local Non League football club.
But yep; poverty, stress, downward social mobility, alienation, replacement of community with polarising internet, greater interpersonal competition, comsumer capitalism and its fixation with personal 'identity', being bombarded with media stimuli constantly that fries our brains. All contributes to general meaninglessness.
You'll never catch me using social media.
I mean that bunny-hopping dog in the background improved my mental health greatly.
Fix Inequality, you fix 99% of the world's problems.
Tax the rich.
£3 in every £10 raised in income tax in the UK comes from just over 300,000 people !
Sadly the rich are the policy makers .
Racism and segregation and rich and poor divide in the UK 🇬🇧 inequalities always existed. Racism is a business to protect one's race.
Taxing the rich properly, in theory, is great even if it's just a small hike on the 1% but in practice we'll still have the greedy so-called politicians in charge choosing how to spend our collective wealth. Do we really need to be governed in the 21st century by elitist administrators?
@jjefferyworboys8138 Their wealth not their income. Tax corporations too. For example, Starbucks's only paid £7 million in tax despite profit of £142 million this year. Corporations are taxed well below than the rest of us.
The old boy was right to link it to economics and lack of industry, economic down turn + decline in solidarity and an absence of knowledge about who is really responsible (political and economic elites) ends up leading to frustration, depression and taking it out on the wrong people women and blaming immigrants
And yet the happiest nation on the planet (Denmark) has never had a large scale manufacturing industry.
Its easy to look backwards for answers but the truth is, British society was no happier when it had a heavily industrialised society.
wimin and immigrints orrr noorrr
Being against mass migration is not the same as "blaming immigrants". Mass migration contributes directly to declining wages, and housing shortages, and is precisely the tool being wielded by the 1% and corporations to emiserate everyone. So, take away their cheap labour (their leverage) and they will be forced to start behaving themselves.
@@ljt3084Scandinavian countries are quite different in that they have markedly smaller populations and are still able to exploit natural resources. Not a fair comparison.
That said, I do accept your point that manufacturing is not necessarily a condition of prosperity. However, I think this guy was making a broader point about access to wealth via a more equal society (solid wages and reasonable asset-prices).
It doesn't guarantee a man's happiness, but it goes a long way towards it. That's the broader point
@@ljt3084 did they have any other industry like fishing, genuine question, its not so much the industries themselves but the role the industries served and the histories they existed within, the heavy industries had over time become unionised and the nature of the employment lended itself to solidarity, when thatcher went after the industries and unions is was in part to destroy the wider class solidarity, ' there is no such things as society' it led the casualisation of work, individualism and atomisation
Stoic philosophy like Marcus Aurelius' meditations has definitely improved my mental health recently
Stoicism works for women, too.
She can't think of a single male role model from 20million uk men. Says it all.
People need purpose. We're an intensely capitalist society, that values the bottom line at the expense of everything else. Much of our infrastructure is struggling to be fit for purpose, whether it be crumbling nuclear power stations, schools, choked ring roads and bypasses or stuffed hospitals. Privatisation has a lot to answer for, whether being responsible for your inflated gas bills, house prices, poor road surfaces, overpriced, overfull trains and inflated broadband costs.
Demagogues and rabble rousers will try and have you believe that Polish plumbers and Slovakian shop owners are somehow responsible. They try to reduce more complex issues to simplistic arguments. The essence is that governments have chosen this neoliberal state of affairs. The good news is that it doesn't have to be permanent. We are still a democracy, and people power still counts for something. It is incumbent on citizens to educate themselves and understand who is really responsible for man of the issues seen in society. Many of the outcomes we witness are purely a result of political choices, rather than being inherent laws of the universe.
We need to start seeing a politics built around serving people rather than profit. People are the greatest resource a nation can have.
Sadly this is what England voted for and inflicted on the entire Uk. The tories destroyed manufacturing as it was a unionised environment. Westminster has no industrial strategy bar their 3 year exit investment strategy. And they wonder why the UK doesnt have a BMW or Samsung or any global manufacturing company of note outwith defence. It was Germany and Denmark that built the shipping that served the oil industry. A decade or so after uk built 25% of global shipping. Hope the couple of pence less tax was worth it.
Well said, the English voted for this and the rest of us are paying for their insanity
I feel that a lot of mental health is to do with the environment we live in. If we cannot change the environment the problems remain. We can try to ignore them or work around them but they are going to keep grinding us down.
NHS currently is all about 'self help' and 'coping strategies' but does nothing to change people's environment. That is where social workers used to fill the gap. BUT really its central government that needs to act!
I recently sent a message to the mental health teams (different organisations) around me stating that I would not be turning to them for help in the future. That I felt that most of them were 'not fit for purpose' and were actually causing a lot of my distress. When services fall to the level that they themselves become a problem to people its best to limit ones interaction with those services or (in my case) to stop using them entirely. Your choice is your own.
I have also called out various mental health services to failing to show even basic humanity towards me (and no doubt others). They act like robots and treat me like a non-person.
Being seen, being heard, being understood, being valued as a person are all important to people. Being treated like garbage will not help the person!
While I know it is difficult for many people (I know this myself) to make friends and find community. I strongly feel this is what is needed. I do not mean a group of people with similar problems to yourself, I mean a variety of people. A healthy community has people with varied backgrounds, talents and views. This I feel is what is needed.
I hope this comment is useful to you. All the best. A remember "don't let the .... grind you down"
Out of curiosity, did the services try and reconnect with you after your message or were they happy to "cut their losses"?
@@discostoo I have been contacted by one mental health team located at my local doctor's surgery. We talked for about an hour about the problems with all the services and while the manager couldn't guarantee changes in other services, she would pass on my comments to them and she did take on board what I said about the service she manages.
Actually that service is one of the better ones. My concerns were ...
The time it takes to connect with the service. About 4-6 weeks.
The 1 hour per month typical schedule. I suggested that some problems might be 'fixed' in a single longer session.
The worst of them all suggested I contact the hospitals complaints department. I tried several times to get thru by phone. They don't answer. (Yes I checked the number was correct!) Perhaps this is an indication of just how many complaints they are getting.
A friend warned me "Steve is it wise to cut yourself off from these services" I said "well if I feel they can offer me something in the future I will contact them" "its not like they can refuse to see me, these are statutory bodies"
That dancing dog @2:20 😂
That was the best takeaway from this video.
People are struggling to have there basic needs met. Both physically (food, rent) and emotionally. We live atomised lives and are losing connections with others. Thatcher said there was no such thing as society. Society is a fundamental part of human nature.
We've become a poorer country over the last decade but still carry the expectations left over from the rich country our parents grew up in. The wealth that is created now is concentrated and has been separated from society by austerity
It was never that rich. Better than today for the basic necessities but the Uk has always been somewhat austere for working people compared with the best countries in Europe for eg. Now the very rich and Tory government have people where they want them, desperate, poor and little chance of improving life. ie we have a 3rd world government
Pandemic, conflicts, privatisation of all our assets, supply and demand issues, housing crisis,1. 5 million newbies arriving annually will sort things out
Covid oversaw the biggest wealth transfer from poor to rich the planet has ever seen, and us mugs are busy arguing over masks, Trump and Brexit.
We have all been distracted
Sorry love but your perception isn't the same as the children that were born 70s and 80s. I bet the people complaining are still buying from huge corporations that are sucking all the money up in the world without a single thought. The corporations that make huge profits and pay less taxes. People need to wisen up!
Where the eff did sunglasses dude bro with the South African accent get that cancer stat from?
Testicular cancer is almost always survivable, he possibly meant Prostate cancer but even then that statistic is still wrong. Bless him probably listened to too many podcasts.
It didn't sound right so i googled it. There are 65 deaths a year from testicular cancer which is obviously too many but not exactly 1 in 3 people like the guy claimed.
Whilst you are correct about Testicular Cancer, Prostate Cancer is the 2nd most common cause of cancer death in males in the UK, and the fatality rate has actually increased since the 1970's, unlike Breast Cancer.
And Prostate Cancer kills more than Breast Cancer, which males can also get.
Edit - 1 in 6 males will be diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. All stats from Cancer Reasearch UK.
@@ShopFloorMonkey ag
No mention from anyone of love, community, regular exercise, education, finding meaning. These are a few of the things that saved my mental health, and keep me sane (enough)
Basically the suppression of masculinity!
@@leeofdoom4452What do you mean?
@@herbiewalkermusic masculinity is under attack, testosterone levels are dropping and men have it worse than women in society, while being told they are evil oppressors.
you know what, not many women are dying of testicular cancer. I'd never thought about that
We need to pump those numbers up.
They probably are these days 😅
Made me chuckle too. Shows that they don’t teach anatomy at school too well.
Yeah man, every dude, here's a realistic bar, just be like nelson Mandela.
At least he didn't have to pay rent for 27 years.
Nelson Mandela was awful
A sense of purpose. A decent wage and reasonable working hours. Decent affordable housing. Seeing Tory MPs in the dock for years of systemic corruption. More soul and funk weekenders.
The central issue is 15 years wage suppression instead of 15 years of real terms wage increases.
2:05 huh? One in three dying of testicular cancer? Last I heard the survival rate is 90%+
Blaming women for men being unhappy is ridiculous.
Are women happy? If not do they blame men?
Society has broken down because we have been voting for forty years for people who don't even believe in society.
Yes, women do blame men for everything all the time. And it's appropriate to blame feminism since it hasn't helped men in any way but stigmatizes them constantly.
blokes used to work in groups, gangs of lads just following on from their teenage years, playing tricks on each other, taking the piss, sometimes getting a punch in the gob. Going to work was a social thing as well as earning a crust. tangible things were produced, you could see the end result. cars, locomotives, ships, etc. That's all but gone so blokes are on their own, overworked in a meaningless job and nothing to show for it. I worked in an office environment, I found it depressing, poisonous, backstabbing, bitching. I'm back "On the shop floor" now and staying there. This country needs to make things again.
Boom,, men being men basically. Today that is illegal.
@@leeofdoom4452 i know i would be arrested in scotland saying what i say to mates. My era is "tetley bitter men you cant beat em" now too illegal.
Blimey, you two sound fragile.
@@django3422 I am. I got into a fight with 10 men the other day and only managed to knock 6 of them out, i think I'm slipping.
@@69waveydavey Cool story.
Thank you Joe for being a center left platform and having the balls to actually talk about this.
Centre left? PoliticsJoe is definitely not that. Don’t worry, I’m not gonna be one of those that howls ‘this is some commie news anchor’ or something idiotic like that because that’s not true either, but this channel is much more left than you play it up to be
@@axoltheemperorofthefarreac2667 It's hardly revolutionary. It's certainly more left than Labour, but they're centre right if anything these days.
How does it take "balls" to talk about these things?
@@neighbourhoodmusician true, but as far as politics goes, this channel mirrors, goes tit for tat, with Jeremy Corbyn, and however you splice it Corbynism is not centre left by any stretch. Not revolutionary necessary but definitely firmly rooted in the left
@@ianclose123 People just like to pretend it does. Although there's never bad reaction against it and literally everyone talks about it constantly.
Sugar, caffeine, alcohol, lack of physical exercise, too much screen time.
All of these are symptoms of a deeper underlying issue, rather than the actual cause.
All of these are symptoms of a deeper underlying issue, rather than the cause itself.
The use of my them maybe as you say but that doesn't change the fact that people can control these factors by removing them.
@@BillygoatmanstanBut you just acknowledged these things as symptoms, not causes.
Fella I used to think that these were my problems until I came off each of these things individually and it made a pretty insignificant difference. Work out a few hours a day too. Never touched alcohol though. My opinion people develop these addictions cause there ain't fuck all else. A good paying job covers necessities now and not luxuries. As a role of provider that's you falling short. Fuck I'm 24 and I haven't even entertained a relationship or thought of family because I'd be stretched far too thin. Fuck at this age my dad already bought a house outright because he 'worked hard'. The same line of work and you only got enough to lay down a 10% deposit in a place with affordable housing (shitholes). Everytime I visit my grandparents they always feel the need to say they bought their house outright without a mortgage, like there was another choice for me. From what I observe men operate on respect and there's just a complete lack of it onto our generation. I wasn't raised with lifeskills like all the other generations, I was raised by the Internet and a head full of mince that by the time I came out of education I could barely read and write. Fuck. One person, one experience, one opinion. Take from that what you will. I'm away to make a coffee with sugar and see if it's human kryptonite, responsible for my demise
The fact that this video stands out is part of the answer. Issues that affect women are rightly becoming more talked about and taken more seriously. There hasn't been a similar increase of interest in, say, the number of men committing suicide in their 40s.
Because it's not politically beneficial.
I teach mental health training, and although we know the stats that 40 year old men are at risk miles more than anyone else, we are told to focus our training on teen girls and trans people.
Why would that be?
Mental health is triggered by stress and poverty BUT a massive component of it is social.
Human beings have needs for:
belonging (to something bigger than themselves)
acceptance / forgiveness(of themselves and others, the good and bad)
aspiration - to do / be better, as individuals, families, groups, societies
People are what they consume.
Do we need the house of commons to fix everything for us? Ideally we would circumvent them on this issue.
Self centeredness will be humanities downfall. Every war, every crime committed, every tory cut is because we don't treat others the way we would truly like to be treated.
How do you treat a terrorist who instigated war, how you would like to be treated?
How does a governmental cut not be a tough decision for the good of the country? I mean torys would love to fund everything, and get a 100% vote wouldnt they?
Give the man with the SOG Life jacket a podium. Easy to listen to because everything he's saying makes sense.
In my humble opinion, It all started to go downhill for men with the Spice girls & girl power😂
I don’t think pro women sentiment has to be antithetical to men’s mental health. Lack of awareness and negative male sentiment towards healthy communication and seeking help is a bigger issue. That, and the historical role of a man is incredibly hard to achieve now when we’re so disconnected from the impact of our work now generally, and struggle regardless of how hard we work because of the state of the economy right now.
We need a Politics where we can actually elect people who work for and represent us the people instead of the Donors, there own Wallets or foreign entities like the Friends of Israel groups that span both Parties.
We need a Legacy Media that presents us with the news and holds the powerful to account instead of what we have which is just Public Relations wing of Politicians and the Oligarchs who own them.
Inequality needs to be dealt with once and for all and real tangible opportunities made available worth working towards instead of the fake loophole closing, empty levelling up promises and the typical Snake Oil polices that we are all too familiar with.
Our Society is so utterly broken in so many ways it would be crazy if people were not feeling crazy.
"How do you think you fix men's mental health". Simple - Get rid of the internet.
"Support Mental Health Like Crazy!"
The biggest problem is that you Brits have been cooped up on that island too long!
The social contract, as i saw it before, was to work hard, save, and you'll get a home. That is near impossible now. Until something comes along that gives people something to strive for long(er)-term, things will only decline.
Allow men the time to sit in a room and just talk without the pressure of opening up until they can feel they can.
Men also need a 3rd place aside from home/family and work. That is vital.
Why are men miserable in the UK?
- wages are too low for pretty much everyone who aren't already upper class
- education is too expensive
- rent is too high
- the value of houses is way too high to get a mortgage
- food is too expensive
- childcare costs are extortionate
- a pint is £5, so goodbye to social drinking
- the alternative to social drinking is... nothing... we've centred our entire culture around pubs, so when that becomes too expensive, what can we do?
- privatised services like public transport has become an expensive joke
- there aren't enough houses
- the houses that are available have been turned into studio apartments and rent is still half your wage
- men are constantly told that they're terrible every time they go on the internet
- it is simply to expensive to provide for your family, or even start a family
- the UK's manufacturing industry is dead, with many more jobs becoming more and more obsolete, leaving people with no choice but to do low value jobs
Do I need to go on? This country is a failure
In “his day”, only 4%-5% of people even went to university. Everyone else left school and started full time work at 14 or 15. (My mother was 13). So almost everyone going to university was (a) economically secure, from upper-middle class families and had a job for the asking afterwards, even with a third class degree or (b) they were very smart and could still be confident that any degree would get them a better job in their 20s than their dad had.
Yeah exactly it's masters and PhD bare minimum now even though alot of people in good jobs and with higher pay don't have those because of what u said before they were not required. We make new tests to distinguish people then eventually every one else has those qualifications so then what? Do it again... it's endless and unfair always.The current system has many lecturers who don't have PhDs or masters and yet expect students to get them to even be considered it's a joke of a system. It should matter more what the person is like,how they interview how they demonstrate skills. alot of teaching in alot of degrees is theory entirely and teaches nothing to little of the working world or practical skills it should be the other way around. So many issues with so much of the education system and our systems in general it's a travesty.
And they could easily afford to buy a home and own a car and have holidays etc.
Doh! Instead of 2,000….
That guy in the white shades is talking nonsense
So is the guy in the purple shirt.
I think this is the best one so far. The responses are well thought out and great.
Really enjoyed this video, a lot of insightful comments. Glad to see such people given a voice.
Its everyday people that need to be represented not fridge positions. Men's issues are often ignored to the detriment of society.
First point of mental health is the feeling of being valued. In a relationship , at work and socially . Economics will play a part naturally but humans are gregarious which is why lock down took a toll and made people re think. Insecure jobs , social media toxicity and lack of purpose erode the values. We need strong leadership to give hope but all we see is double standards and corruption.
No sense of community, working for nothing, the prospect of another 60 years of working for a house i cant afford. They say you should leave london for cheaper houses or even the home counties. Having lived in Birmingham for 7 years there arent enough jobs up north. Everyone seems to be single. Im 6 months away from packing up and going to a new country
Begging Europe to take us back might be a good start, would be nice to have free trade with the second biggest economy.
Its interesting that some people attributed women's equality as a reason to the decline of men's mental health. I don't think this is correct and Its a dangerously mislead and divisive statement.
Perhaps true for a small percentage males, misogynists maybe, but not the vast majority.
I've been waiting for things to start getting better for so long that I'm now resigned to the fact that they can only get worse.
What have you tried?
@@leeofdoom4452 In your optimistic mind my 1 single vote has the power to remove government, instate a time travelling wizard who can take us back to 1960 and prevent all the mistakes our politicians made that caused our economy to regress back to the 1800s. unfortunately it doesn't
@@davehughes9718 Why is your world so small? The UK doesn't count for shit. There are much places to which you can move.
@@davehughes9718 I asked a very simple question...
Great insights from the public on this one, men needing to feel useful is a key aspect, I know from experience in my family that being told no to every proactive solution to avert poverty and mental health was extremely frustrating. Lack of meaningful work, housing fragility, low pay, no role models, individualised society, selfish boomer generation holding power whilst being out of touch and selfish are just some of the factors leading to this downfall of the fabric of british society
I don’t know what Gary Lineker’s agenda is, and I don’t think beardy man does either, but I’d vote for it.
If I had to sum it up in one word: communication. If there isn't space in people's lives to talk openly, their mental health will suffer. It isn't just about talking but what we are communicating and how little we value communicating effectively. Some blokes will be loud and talkative but you can tell they're incredibly insecure and afraid of communicating how they actually feel. Being a good communicator can have huge benefits to all aspects of your life, including your career. But it is thought of as a 'soft skill' and not enough is done to ensure we are good at it. On the surface it might seem a lack of work opportunities or working too hard is the problem but what makes that worse is many men feel trapped into jobs they don't like because they aren't able to comminicate to others how miserable it makes them.
the mental effects is another big one,
massively overlooked.
The hard reality is that there are no fast fixes. Everybody knows this deep down. That's why the country has become very 'every man for himself.'
The NHS mental health services - though inadequate - still wouldn't be able to help in the Britain of today, even if they were well funded & well trained.
We are in a civilization crisis in Britain. A crisis of housing, of dignified wages, of being able to talk when a victim of crime, of purpose, of freedom......a crisis of many things.
I live a few miles away from Shoreham by Sea and it is very, very far away from being the most miserable place in the UK. There are much worse places in Sussex let alone the rest of the country. Places like Crystal Palace, Southend, Leicester, areas of Eastbourne, Hastings, Chatham, Gillingham, Sittingbourne, Poplar, Whitechapel are much worse. These are just places that I have physically been to on multiple occasions, I am sure there are others in the UK which are far worse.
Reminder that PoliticsJoe is owned by a venture capital fund.
What about PoliticsJoe?
@@sighfly2928 Correction made.
2:14 Uni was free back in his day for a start
Yes it was and you had to be very bright (or rich) to get in, unlike now (since 1980's)
@@cesiumalloy The problem wasn't the intake of students to Universities. It's always been what jobs you can get with your degree. We've got an increasing number of private school kids since the 80s. They are more likely to know exactly what job is going to be gifted to them after University, even if they don't bother finishing their course.
@@cesiumalloy Harsh but fair. I graduated in 1977, neither very bright or rich, but very determined.
The men you see opening up are either at rock bottom with nothing to lose or hugely successful and therefore have willing support networks ready to help thanks to their status. Everyone else gets shafted for exposing weaknesses.
Working to live & definitely not living to enjoy life.
Put in a weekly working limit of hours. We are in a death spiral of people working 48-60 hours a week.
Maybes adopt the eu working hours directive. Hang on, err, wait a tick and etc
How tf is this the most miserable town in the UK it looks gorgeous
It is a lovely place but it's now very expensive to live there as people are spreading along the coast from Brighton.
I lived in Shoreham - it's lovely
@@GoWithHelen Expensive? Trying growing up in the Channel Islands lmao
Coastal towns are often bland and terrible in winter
@@swifts6879I grew up near there and I’m not sure how they concluded it’s the most miserable place. However property prices are very expensive.
As a young guy in their early 20s, I feel all of this. I’m debating heading to Australia for a few years to work about a bit, but prioritise quality of life and my own mental health above a corporate job. The uk has pushed me away with brexit, the current Tory government and the lack of optimism, culture and fun for young people.
Don't give up - vote for the right party to deliver change.
Live life like the dog at 2:20
You know what they say
Smaiylld feet’s smaiyled sicks
Lots of thoughtful people in Shoreham.
The sad truth is that everyone basically knows someone who is struggling, but nobody actually reaches out to that person.
People reach out to women all the time, noone is truly empathetic to men.
It's called selective empathy
@@leeofdoom4452Source - "Trust me, bro"
To the guy mentioning testicular cancer: do you have any idea how many women die of breast cancer or gynae related cancers? I can tell you, I'm an oncology nurse.
Soft reminder: the video is about men's health.
I want to stop feeling homesick in the place i've lived my entire life
Maybe you should get out more and get yourself a life then.
Well-being will be improving with cycling for example - so why not improve the cycle pavements and roads and make the bikes cheaper and also improve the public transport in the UK, specially in place where poverty and depression are bad??!
If you say so mate. The Welsh government is spending millions on cycle lanes and destroying both the infrastructure and green spaces in the process. The one they're building in my local park means reducing sports fields from 5 to 3.
Who uses the pitches? Working class, poorer people (men, chiefly). Who uses the bike lanes during the 20 percent of the time it's not pissing down? Middle class people who evangelise about saving the planet while secretly despising the lower classes they pretend to be concerned about.
I'm sure your heart's in the right place (and i don't mean to be pugnacious), but we need to think again.
@@granitesevan6243 All the people I see riding bikes in my area are working class people getting from A to B. There is one guy who wears his hi vis work jacket and steel toe capped boots when he cycles. The middle classes are driving SUVs. It's in your head if you think middle class people are the beneficiaries of cycle infrastructure.
@@not_ever It's not in my head, it's right in front of my eyes. Do you live in Cardiff?
@@granitesevan6243 I understand your point of view but it's just my opinion I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. I think being able to ride a bike is good for your health it's good for your head and both in Wales and in England or Scotland There are many places to ride a bike and it is a sport that is good for you, healthy and helps combat depression and anxiety, finally you can meet friends, everything needs to be very well planned, now say that you get irritated by seeing people riding bicycles or that this is bad for the planet is not about to what extent this is true or not we need to see the environmental impact and for that to read study to know whether they are doing the right thing or not but I think we have that trying to do something or not doing something already tells us a lot
@@granitesevan6243 I dont need to live in Cardiff to have an opinion on the UK cycle infrastructure but I really doubt that Cardiff has no cycle delivery services. You don’t see many middle class people working for deliveroo/just eat/uber do you?
UK is 8th in the world manufacturing rankings, got to hit those facts.
That said, truth is men need to feel worth something and of value and I expect that a lot of our manufacturing is automated and lacks the manpower it use to have.
This is a real problem that can only be solved by men working on themselves to be the best they can be and giving that to the world.
Men’s walking and talking groups are picking up and a great way to start
"Tetescular cancer". The dangers of copy and pasting your opinions from the internet have never been more transparent.
Yeah, complaining that women don’t die from it was a bit… well… stupid? May be I misunderstood him…
@@crochetomania Yeah when he mentioned female presenters as well i got the impression he was poorly parroting someone elses opinion.
I'm suprised Shoreham is ranked the unhappiest place in the UK, I'd rather live there than some other towns on the south coast.
Part of Shoreham's problems are to do with the town. It doesn't have an identifiable centre. I'm not blaming the council, it is just unfortunate. There is little to attract visitors which is a shame it does have a cracking arts centre and loads of history.
I realise that doesn't affect the young people who have little to do in the town. I don't see any future for them as the two bodies that could help the most (the council & the NHS) are being starved of money by our kleptocracy.
As for role models, I don't think role models outside the family are that helpful. A good parent, grandparent, older sibling, aunt or uncle or even the parent or older sibling of a close friend are more valuable.
It's not the most miserable town in the UK, someone labelled it as that. The two neighbouring towns alone are more miserable than Shoreham.
The pay scale in the uk doesn't represent the demand for it, to many middle men and women lying about their worth and obfuscating the value of peoples labour.
dude at 4.06 nails it imo
UK is done! I got out twenty years ago, looking in from the outside. . .I am so lucky
Shout out the lovely thoughtful dude in checked shirt and sunglasses.
A common theme is the isolation and loneliness caused by the hyper-individualist mindset of having to be the one to provide for everyone else. When that becomes harder to do by the day, of course it's going to affect people. Everyone mentioned work, but not much mention of what we do outside of work. We need third spaces and we need community so we can all support one another better
Rauny 😂
I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this but women really should not expect men to provide everything ...not only you they have the freedom to work and earn money but also expecting men to still provide for them...and men...wise up you're being suckered don't fool for it
@@keithparker1346 it's a very old fashioned mindset, one that I think is less and less applicable for most people. Both my parents had to work full time when I was younger
@@RoryF100 I'm making the point that women are expecting to have it both ways
how have you used that audio at 2:13 lmao come onnnn
what happened to the 40 hour week? shit living syndrome........
A huge proportion of women have hysterectomies due to tumors of the ovaries and uterus…so I don’t believe that men have higher rates of cancer. The issue may be that men fail to acknowledge the importance of health and go to see their doctor…
Yet the figures from the UK Commons Library would tell you different.
Overall incidence of cancer was 21% higher in men than in women in 2020.
Believe what you choose, but the fact do not support you.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06887/
strange logic... or rather no logic
Exactly! I've asked many of my friends or peers whther they check their prostate or get it checked. It's extremely rare tto hear a yes to that question. Toxic mascunlinty is the killer in many forms.
@@neilpook3719 Ill give you too obvious reasons why mens cancer rates are higher. Men are far more likely to have jobs that require working outside, and are far more likely to work with hazardous substances
According to the American Cancer Society's Cancer Facts & Figures 2022 report, in the United States. The overall cancer incidence rate is approximately 20% higher in men compared to women.
Guy with the cap and tash has nailed it
I mean everyone wants to feel useful. I don't think it's a uniquely male experience. But yeah I like the feeling of being dependable, and making other people feel good/safe/looked after. It's something I aim for. What I don't want, and would never want, is for the person on the other end of that to feel reliant or dependent. There's a world of difference between wanting to support and back an equal partner, and holding all the control and responsibility because that kind of imbalance can create feelings of superiority/inferiority and resentment, and I don't think that's healthy. It should be reciprocal. Everyone's got something to give.
Shoreham is the most miserable place in Britain? It's actually a rather nice seaside town, if you're depressed here you'd be slashing your wrists in numerous other British towns and cities. Where did these statistics come from, Gardeners weekly, The Beano? Just shows how dodgy statistics can be. Now, if you were trying to say that people in Shoreham give the dullest interviews in the UK, I'd probably agree with you.
Politics Joe need to pop to Jaywick, Redcar or Barrow
Birmingham is most depressing place in the UK people are miserable and unhappy and no one gets on the place is a dumping ground full of hate and divisions.