Dirty MAF Sensor Case Study

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  • Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025

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  • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
    @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 12 лет назад +5

    Working on my friend's 2000 Tacoma truck today. Same P0171 code, plus a P1133 (A/F sensor circuit response). Drove around, long term FT topping out at +39% at higher engine loads, but negative at idle. This video instantly came to mind. Checked fuel pressure just to make sure, then went after the MAF. BINGO! A little electronics cleaner and a light brush...truck drives like new now! So why don't these sensors have a self-cleaning burn-off circuit like older MAFs? Once again,you're the man, Paul!

  • @FixItAngel
    @FixItAngel 12 лет назад +7

    friend had a '01 Lexus GS300, P0171 and P0174. Did exactly what you showed on your video with my ETHOS Snap On and figured it out. Thank You!! Though I worked at a dealership for 7 years as a used car tech and graduated UTI, nothing compares to your skill. I hope I can get to your level. Next buy is your book. Thanks again.

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      @lyleandres1510 3 года назад

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    • @karsonali241
      @karsonali241 3 года назад

      @Lyle Andres Yea, I have been using flixzone} for since december myself :D

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад +4

    Yes. The MAF sensor is actually a mini computer. All of the conversions are done inside of it.
    All computers need a main power and ground to work. So you can think of the 12v feed and ground on this MAF sensor as the same thing. IT is actually a MAF module.

  • @Airman..
    @Airman.. 8 лет назад +28

    you never over killed a single video on your channel cause your knowledge is priceless

  • @DavidSmith-mk7qo
    @DavidSmith-mk7qo 11 лет назад +1

    I have seen a bad MAP or MAF cause poor mileage,transmission issues, and even a no start. Good video.

  • @TheJaxonj
    @TheJaxonj 12 лет назад

    Thank You Very Much. I just purchased a 2000 Corolla and after changing the spark plugs didn't fix the problem I guessed it was the oxygen sensor. So $85 dollars later I was feeling a little worried when I still had the same problem and not sure where to go. Your video saved me a lot of time, worry, and most likely money. Just removing that little bit of dirt made all the difference. Thanks for the video!

  • @felplayvina
    @felplayvina 11 лет назад +1

    After clean the maf sensor the idle is fix and running good for a test drive but for second test the p0300 came back but is not misfire a lot LTFT --10 on both bank.. thank you for the time I know your are working hard every day. god bless you..

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад +2

    thanks man! keep at it bro you are at that threshold now where great things happen. experience is so critical isn't it? i have so much to learn still too. it never stops

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @MrMratni Thank you very much and no problem. I am glad you liked it.

  • @FixItAngel
    @FixItAngel 12 лет назад +5

    awesome diagnosing!!

  • @chief455
    @chief455 13 лет назад

    just bought a 2001 Corolla with code PO171 thinking O2 sensor, reading some tech found more likely a dirty MAF - this video is awesome! I not only see the how and why it makes sense - but your explaination helped me understand data I have been logging on a racing V8 car as well with fuel problems.
    this is internet at it's best, thanks for sharing!

  • @JohnMcClane99
    @JohnMcClane99 13 лет назад

    Thanks alot! My hilux has been missing and hesitating for weeks, I had done some AFM testing and given it the all clear. Your video made me go back over it and sure enough, it was filthy. Quick clean and it's back to normal. I was just a couple of days to taking it to a workshop and probably copping a $500 bill! Love your work!

  • @429psi
    @429psi 12 лет назад +1

    This info is absolute gold! Best diagnostic videos on the web hands down. I highely recommend the ebook people, I will be buying the lecture videos also. Thanks for the wealth of info paul, keep up the good work!

  • @mike-yp1uk
    @mike-yp1uk 7 лет назад +3

    this video is not for amatur mechanics. It is accurate and packed with infomation for trained professionals who may have missed or are trying to deepen there knowledge. You have to watch it a few times to gather all the info and check out other videos and spend some time studying. Great and accurate video as usual. thanks paul.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Good question, as for the vacuum leak issue. I have never seen that effect the baro calculation. Also after cleaning the MAF, you have to reset the KAM or disconnect the battery for awhile to clear the baro calculation in memory.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @chief455 Thats great! Thanks for your response. It helps to know that this video was clear and useful. It keeps me motivated to keep filming more.

  • @jdrums5555
    @jdrums5555 13 лет назад

    great videos scannerdanner lots of good info,i just graduated from ATS school in sacramento and i am getting ready to test soi am reading all my books and watching all your videos very helpful thankyou.

  • @EP91STARLET
    @EP91STARLET 9 лет назад

    Had an exact same problem on a 2001 Yaris and this gave me confidence to confirm my repair after I had cleaned the MAF, great videos!

  • @rickchapman3707
    @rickchapman3707 4 года назад

    I've been watching your videos for years and have been a technician for 30 years.. When i started to be really interested in MAF sensors i was seeing a hell of a lot of hot film style here in Europe.

  • @sebsbae9149
    @sebsbae9149 6 лет назад

    El Paso TX right here... Keep it up ScannerDanner... this channel is music to my ears...

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    @GamingJediPwns you are mistaken on that comment. this style of hot wire maf is not damaged by the cleaner i used. its just a heated resistor with a glass covering. I've been cleaning them this way for 15 years with ZERO comebacks

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    The IAT is a thermistor and the "cold wire" is possibly a thermistor, but the "hot-wire" is a resistor. (technically a thermistor is a resistor)
    Thermistors are generally used in voltage sensing circuits. MAF circuits measure the current flow needed to maintain hot-wire (heated resistor) temperature above ambient, then convert this to an electrical signal (analog or digital) that is proportional to the current flow and therefor in-coming airflow

  • @MrMratni
    @MrMratni 13 лет назад

    This is the best MAF diagnostic video. All your videos are very informative, thank you so much sir for uploading..

  • @blitzzfyre
    @blitzzfyre 11 лет назад

    Cheers man. Just recently bought a Celica GT-S and suspect I'm having almost the exact same issue. Replaced Spark Plugs and put injector cleaner in, didn't help much with my lag. Figured it was a MAF Sensor issue. Going to clean it this afternoon and get back to you :) This vid helped a lot, cheers!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @import0408 I hesitate to say all but most yes. The older vane airflow meters on some of the cars had high voltage at idle and it would drop under load, so opposite of the others in operating range.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Thank you so much. I truly appreciate the support

  • @mdanny445
    @mdanny445 11 лет назад

    Awesome video, thank you for uploading! Always good to see the entire process explained properly, instead of just jumping to the fix. Very pro.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    I'm ok with the initial drop lean on a rapid snap to WOT(sometimes you see that, sometimes you don't). Just make sure it stays rich the entire time after that.

  • @JoelAutomotiveInaction
    @JoelAutomotiveInaction 12 лет назад

    thank you , it was perfect answer, it clarified every question was in my mind.
    you know Paul I talked to my snap on dealer I made a letter for snap on he said he was going to handle to some one in chart there for diagnostic I told the guy you are teaching us how to use the verus and how to test the sensor with the tool on real vehicles problems I told the dealer guy you should get some credit for that I hope they do some thing you really deserve it.

  • @billrimmer5596
    @billrimmer5596 6 лет назад

    These videos r really valuable information. This was six years ago! Thank u Paul Danner!!

  • @higgout
    @higgout 11 лет назад

    This is so awesome man. My 98 camry was running lean base on my fairly new plugs having ash like build up and power reduction at increased RPM. found you video and it surely help me to understand a bit more of whats going on. dont have all your test equipment but now know the expected output voltage from the sensor when I do my volt meter test.
    As an electrician I know the benefits of the right test equipment. great job on the video.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @mechanic4yourcar Thank you! With your creditials that means alot. I am glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    don't worry about the STFT with the engine cold and in open loop. The numbers are irrelevant.
    So do you have positive or negative fuel trim numbers when warm. mainly the LTFT is what I need

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    i believe that is an analog type maf sensor and the signal should read more than 4 volts at wot redline. with a dmm you will need to drive it to see that number as the meter isn't fast enough for a wot snap test in park. You could also look at the stft and see if it tracks positive with a rise in the maf signal, this would also indicate a maf problem.

  • @kevinemesiobi6169
    @kevinemesiobi6169 7 лет назад

    Great diagnostic strategy, Using just the scanner to narrow down on the fault, that's a show of in dept knowledge on auto-diagnostic.. Thumps Up......

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    @03mazpro a dirty mass air flow sensor will not cause a catalytic converter trouble code. if all you have is a converter code and no exhaust leaks then you need to replace it. as for cleaning the mass air flow sensor as long as it is the style in this video then it is cleanable and brake or carb cleaner is fine

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @JohnMcClane99 Awesome! I'm glad it worked out for you. Extra money in our pockets this time of year is a good thing.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Low MAF grams per sec at WOT, also low voltage during a snap while we were testing it directly under the hood. These were the clues that the MAF was the problem and not fuel pressure.

  • @richardashcroft4596
    @richardashcroft4596 3 года назад

    Thank you Paul for this, my ‘11 Cruze LS has P0171 code. Will be testing this method on my way to work tonight.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @contagiousFX What numbers? Fuel trim should be +/- 10% MAF grams/sec and frequency will depend on year and engine size to name a few. For most of the GMs I look for at least 150 gram/ sec at WOT and a frequency of over 8500HZ, Idle would be around 2.3-2.4khz. But again there are variable.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    The car most likely also had some fuel trim trouble codes too. If the MAF is reporting the wrong airflow the a/f ratio will be completely wrong and this can cause misfiring. Usually this is accompanied by lean or rich trouble codes as well.

    • @DDR233
      @DDR233 Год назад

      Does the sensor under report or over report when it’s dirty?
      I get that the O2 shows lean and it’s dumping fuel, but it’s only reading lean because of what the maf is reading. So does that mean the maf is over reporting airflow?
      If that’s the case why are airflow numbers greater with the clean sensor?
      I’m just confused as to how the MAF causes the O2 to misread if the calculated air was less with the dirty sensor?
      Am I misunderstanding and the maf is under reporting and it’s fueling for what the MAF thinks is passing but the actual air charge still passes and leans out the mixture the MAF thinks it is dealing with? Then that causes the pcm to infinitely rich the mixture because it will never record absolute air flow

    • @ScannerDanner
      @ScannerDanner  Год назад

      @@DDR233 a dirty MAF will under report airflow under loads. Some will over report at idle only, but both types will under report under loads. This causes the base fuel map to be skewed as the engine load is being under reported too.
      So positive fuel trim numbers result. Positive trim numbers does NOT mean rich!! It is a rich command caused by a lean condition.

  • @ethereous
    @ethereous Год назад

    Absolutely fabulous video. I can't imagine this video being done better. Great info and great presentation.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Yes
    A MAF DTC with good MAF sensor usually sets a “range/performance” code and may be caused by the following:
    TPS problem
    Vacuum or air intake leak
    Oil cap or dipstick problems
    PCV system leaks
    Dirty/plugged air cleaner
    clogged exhaust

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    I've seen them set for only one bank but if you look at the trim numbers both banks are affected. It just flags one side because it is worse than the other. (sometimes)

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Thanks! I was having trouble getting a clear shot with this design. Sorry about that

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Did you do the resistance check I showed in part 2 of the one video? This is your only option without a scope, unless you get lucky and the shorted injector is one of the two injectors you can get to without removing the intake.
    There are other causes of this condition on your car, but lets do a resistance check on the injectors first.

  • @cagonesss
    @cagonesss 12 лет назад

    yes i did the resistance check and found one injector at 5 oms and 3 others at around 9 ohms so i did have shorted injector ,was my starting issue.hey thanks alot for your help i was going crazy with this hard to find issue for 3 weeks .thanks again for sharing knowledge i saved alot of money doing it myself. gm 2.8 fixed good day

  • @cbobcbob100
    @cbobcbob100 10 лет назад

    great info as always...love the ending with long and short term relearning....bob

  • @georgedawsonjr450
    @georgedawsonjr450 5 лет назад

    Thanks to Paul danner I can't look at vehicals the same anymore. The book he put out is worth every $ your pay. My life has realy changed thank you paul. I can't wait to see more videos and I'm really hoping you put out an other book I know there is more you have discovered to teach us. I soon will have my L1 certificate. Thanks to you again. Keep up all your doing its great.

    • @ScannerDanner
      @ScannerDanner  5 лет назад

      All new stuff right now is in the form of video lessons on my Premium channel. I may write another book someday, but for now, come join my classes! Thanks

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @lucky51762 Sorry, it was a snap-on verus and not all MAFs can be cleaned. Just the hot-wire type. Thanks for your comment.

  • @PaulC1980
    @PaulC1980 11 лет назад

    Just subscribed to Your account,Your uploads are excellant,have learned so much in a short space of time.I will definitely buy your E Book,I've never had anyone to learn much from about diagnostics so i'm very impressed with Your information and delivery which is easy to understand.keep up the Good work from Paul in Ireland

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @lesbirel91 A dirty MAF is not the only cause of a lean exhaust trouble code. If you have my book check out Section 5 page 5. The list on this page address the most common causes for P0171 and P0174 DTCs

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    There are two grounds because the PCM MAF signal circuit actually gets its ground through the MAF sensor.
    So one ground is PCM to MAF and the second ground is MAF to the block.
    If the MAF to the block ground is bad, BOTH grounds will be bad.
    No 5 v ref. on this design.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    typically not but it is possible. you need to start by checking your fuel pressure and checking for a ruptured fuel pressure regulator diaphragm

  • @pablohernandez3271
    @pablohernandez3271 2 года назад

    Thanks man! i just bought your book, this is my first video from it, thanks man!!

    • @ScannerDanner
      @ScannerDanner  2 года назад

      Hope you enjoy it! Thank you so much!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    if the o2 is switching before the wot run then it is not an 02 problem. it is a fuel delivery problem. low fuel Psi and dirty MAF are the top two.
    a severe misfire can also cause this

  • @tonylexmark
    @tonylexmark 12 лет назад

    Superb video and very informative. To get rid of glare on your screen get a polarizing filter for your camera, cheers.

  • @kickblake
    @kickblake 12 лет назад

    If you're reading the values from a diablosport predator, I believe the output for the "baro hz" isn't the actual hz, its that number converted to "Hg based on a table. So a reading of 30Hz is actually 30"Hg...or approximately sea level.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Thank you Joel!

  • @mechanic4yourcar
    @mechanic4yourcar 13 лет назад

    The whole video is very good filled with good information.

  • @BRILLOPADral
    @BRILLOPADral 11 лет назад

    Really good tutorials, keep up the good work, we need more like these.

  • @scootfd3s
    @scootfd3s 12 лет назад +1

    Wow i cleaned the wrong part the whole time. I'm going to try again. thank you very much.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    thank you

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @Gizmopflege Thank you!

  • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
    @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 12 лет назад

    haha I actually used a fine-tipped dental pick, but don't tell anyone! A little compressed air helped too. Those wires were pretty gunked up...not to mention his airbox was full of dry leaves lol

  • @Pissed0ffKrzysztof
    @Pissed0ffKrzysztof 12 лет назад

    Great Video, I can barely see 1 Thermistor (Temperature Thermal Resistor) when it was dirty at 07:30, and you can clearly see both afterword's at 08:56, Everything looks Clean, Dry, and Tight.

  • @carrotecnicatreinamentosau7217
    @carrotecnicatreinamentosau7217 3 года назад

    Excelente estudo de caso. Obrigado!!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  11 лет назад

    Yes as a matter of fact. Does this have a vane type airflow meter?

  • @oscarrojas4281
    @oscarrojas4281 4 года назад

    You are awesome I just brought your book and send me here you're the man I'm learning a lot thank you so much

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    The check engine light will set the other two lights. They are the traction and vehicle stability control systems.
    Fix the check engine light and you will automatically get rid of those other lights

  • @exit9mastertec7
    @exit9mastertec7 7 лет назад +1

    God dam ...this guy needs all the newer tools....scanner your the man

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @RUSS16V2 Thank you very much and I will!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    thanks tony!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  13 лет назад

    @MJRPerformance Thank you!

  • @JoelAutomotiveInaction
    @JoelAutomotiveInaction 12 лет назад

    Thank you for your response , so it receive 12 volts external the maf and some way inside the maf it is converted to 5 volts Out put sensir signalto PCM is that rigth?? Because on snap throttle I saw about 4 volts. Thank you , you are a great teacher

  • @bigold81electra
    @bigold81electra 10 лет назад +2

    Paul, MAF air flow depends on HP. The 2000 Toyota has 125 HP so max air flow will be about 110 gm/sec. An E39 M5 has 400 HP so max air flow is 350 gm/sec.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    not a dumb question.
    you cannot use the downstream sensor the same way because the cat catches and stores oxygen. there is some diagnostic advantage though but it is not used the same way. check out my o2 fixed lean case study

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    If it was a 2 bank system then yes, a dirty MAF would affect both banks. But this is only a 1 bank 4 cylinder engine. Bank 2 doesn't exist.
    Great question though, it means your thinking!

  • @kenmh7357
    @kenmh7357 5 лет назад

    This very informative. Thanks! Have a VW and waiting to get my OBD II Pro to get real data

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    holy Crap. that could be the lowest baro reading I've ever seen on a ford. it should be running ultra lean with that number. you have any codes

  • @angryfurbie
    @angryfurbie 4 года назад

    Great and thorough video

  • @onepaa1636
    @onepaa1636 10 лет назад

    Great test i like the veruss min max capability however i always use my dvom when reading o2 signals ive just been burnt to much with false readings but overall that was a great test got straight to the root without even having to check fuel pressure

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    nice thanks bro

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    I believe it is a hot wire type but you should pull it out and inspect it first

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    There are other causes of those lean exhaust codes. Sounds like you need to take it to a competent mechanic. It doesn't matter if he is an aftermarket guy or a dealer guy. Go to iATN and search for garages in your area. If they are iATN members you have a better shot at a good tech.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  11 лет назад

    Close. Low fuel pressure will also be an under load lean condition just like a dirty MAF

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Sweet man, nice job!

  • @anthonyheak3479
    @anthonyheak3479 5 месяцев назад

    Good explanation, thanks!

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Yea, I know I should take it off as I am not showing proper safety procedures with it on. I am super careful of where I put my hand and truthfully I would rather take the chance than take my ring off. It is sacred to me. (I do take it off if I am reaching my hand near a starter motor or alternator that I cannot see very well)

  • @mike-yp1uk
    @mike-yp1uk 8 лет назад

    that build up is call insulation and insulation traps heat. air coming in is designed to cool sensor but good insulation wont allow that. great case study.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  11 лет назад

    No the hissing is tank vapor psi not fuel psi and will have nothing to do with your lean exhaust code. An EVAP code maybe but not a lean exhaust.

  • @ventureelect
    @ventureelect 12 лет назад

    Dan , if you know you have a good MAF for sure. Is it possible for the computer for give a MAF fault code on a scan tool , even with a good MAF sensor . 1999 olds intrique 3.8. thank you

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  11 лет назад

    I am not sure. I know some guys use this initial spike to determine if the MAF sensor is dirty. I am just not familiar enough with the procedure.

  • @georgen9383
    @georgen9383 11 лет назад

    Danner,great channel buddy. As a hobby mechanic, and a guy who mostly tinkers with *gasp* carbs, I can only dream of having the diagnostic tools and knowledge that you've acquired over the years. But I appreciate you showing us how it really should be done by good, experienced mechanics.
    Quick question for ya. On my 96 Mustang I had a P0172, if I remember correctly. I chased it for months with new vac hoses, sensors, etc. Ended up being badly arcing plug wires. Does that sound right to you?

  • @LynxStarAuto
    @LynxStarAuto 11 лет назад +1

    I've had this issue before and although I fixed it with a clean, the sensor eventually failed down the line. I just prefer to replace the sensors now.

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    Higher than normal Co means the car is running rich. If you have my eBook, Section 5 page 4 gives a list of causes of richer than normal conditions. Here is the list:Higher than normal fuel psi
    Ruptured fuel psi reg. diaphragm
    Leaking fuel injector
    EVAP purge problems
    ECT or IAT sensor problems
    MAP/BARO or MAF sensor problems
    EGR valve stuck open at idle
    Fuel contaminated oil
    Head gasket leaking causing coolant contamination of the O2
    Jumped timing chain/belt

  • @mikezaldivar8562
    @mikezaldivar8562 12 лет назад

    The VVT-I configuration did not exist on the 98 Corolla, it started on the 00 model year. Check your fuel pump pressure. Had the same problem on my 98 Corolla at around 200,000 miles. New fuel pump cured the problem.

  • @halleffect1
    @halleffect1 12 лет назад

    haha, Paul's voice sounds like it's straining sometimes, but that's just b/c he's passionate about his work and wants you to hear over the shop noise.

  • @mg402001
    @mg402001 12 лет назад

    hi there mr. danner great videos BTW. i just have a quick question for you. i have a 2000 volkswagen passat with multiple misfire, the mechanic change the MAF sensor and run like a charm again.now how could a MAF sensor trigger a multiple misfire?
    thanks scanner danner keep up the work

  • @ScannerDanner
    @ScannerDanner  12 лет назад

    I don't think there was a problem at all with the scan data. I think this was simply a small engine that doesn't "breath" the same amount as other engines do. Remember every car is different as far as what peak grams per sec will read.