FAA clears path for 737 Max 9 planes to return amid safety concerns
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- The FAA is halting Boeing from expanding production of its 737 Max planes but has cleared a path for Max 9 jets to return to service. CBS News senior transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave reports.
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Glad they've reassured the shareholders. Pity about the travelling public.
Not when people are not flying lol
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Boeing.
Boeing: "When one door closes another one opens"
Calhoun's statement means nothing. If he had confidence that every MAX-9 plane was safe, then his confidence was misplaced. One of them wasn't safe. That is an established fact.
Tyler Durden 2024 Version : Take the number of Boeing Max planes in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
One? Seriously, Ethiopian, Indonesian? Loose bolts in the tail, door plugs blowing off, software fixes for hardware issues, oh please! Not listening to your quality control inspectors concerns, firing 860 of them for not toeing the greedy corporate line?.Really Boeing board? YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SAFE FLYING, ACT LIKE IT
@@lovethieves1383Don’t airlines have waivers of liability that can shield them from this sort of settlement in the first place?
@@lordleonusaThen how come Airbus hasn’t fixed their landing gears after 20 years?
@@aycc-nbh7289age old saying - if it ain't brooke...don't fix it...
Boeing Max is just like the DC-10's and MD-11's, cutting corners and rushing production leading to poor construction.
Because Boeing upper managment IS from the old McDonell-Douglas. Read about former Boeing - and former M-D executives - Philip Condit and Harry Stonecipher. Both ardent disciples of Jack Welsh - one of the worst human beings ever.
Well Boeing does thing the McDonnell Douglas way so makes since
If Boeing wants to make a gesture then have all their executives commit to only fly on commercial MAX flights for the next year wherever the route is available.
There are so many failures from so many different groups that this should not be glossed over. Spirit, Boeing, and the FAA all have skin in the game with the certification of these planes, and they all failed.
It’s funny that you put the FAA in there, because in the past, there were a lot of people saying that businesses know their business better than the government, and the government should not get in the way of business. Which is why Boeing was allowed to do all of this work themselves.now all the sudden it’s the other way?
Turning over inspections and certifications to airplane manufacturers is going exactly as expected. No inspector is going to fail a plane, and these companies know that if they bury the evidence under enough engineering phrases and paperwork that the FAA isn't going to bother performing an audit on them. The FAA signs off on the planes being air worthy, so if they are blazing off those inspections, or just counter-signing the ones from Boeing, they are every bit as culpable for this as the mechanics who left the bolts out, and the engineers that signed off on the assembly.
You are confusing certification of a design with manufacturing quality. One is engineering, the other is technicians. The MCAS issue was a engineering/management error. This is a pure quality control issue.
@@MrBPC76
Well, what you’re saying is generally true that doesn’t appear to be what happened here. Apparently spirit had to work on that door because the gasket was installed properly.
The way the work instructions were written there was no inspection step for showing the bolts where we installed. There also appears to be some problem with Boeing and spirit using different types of quality management systems, which were incompatible with each other.
Apparently to keep up with the high number of airplanes they want to make spirit, we works the airplane at Boeings factory with their employees instead of Boeings
Missing bolts does make those pressurization warnings the Alaska pilots kept getting on that MAX-9 make sense, it was never completely sealed from the factory floor to delivery, the two month plane is too new to go through a C-check where they check seals.
I used to work for Boeing as a Software Engineer and did some flight testing as well. I discovered so many flaws in sensor, calibration, landing gear, brake, battery, power distribution unit, etc. And when I pointed them out, they're not happy (upper management) and asked me not to put it in the report, eventually they let me go. IF I was asked to testify in Corngress, I would. The Safety record for Boeing is so bad, just within 5 years alone, there are so many accidents. That's why they call Boeing as The Flying Coffin.
Don’t believe you. Doesn’t make sense at all.
Stop the cap🤣🤣🤣
If this is true, why wouldn’t you report your employer to the FAA? You’d have the government on your side and wouldn’t have to worry about being fired for retaliation - because if they did, you could sue ‘em
Stop it🤣
@@dude4173 How sure are you he has govt on his side? No one gave assurance to the public about the safety of this plane; everyone commented no more Boeing, and no reports were published. Yet, they are cleared to fly.
CBS, please do your research. The blueprint of the Boeing that you showed at 0:58 is an Airbus A320.
Well done.
I didnt know boeing made Airbus.
Very little credit given to the pilots who landed the plane safely after the cabin depressurization
Well duh. They only care about reporting on the bad news. Why would they talk about the good part?
Yep, and in 3 months the inspectors at the FAA who approved this will be ' retiring ' and going to work for Boeing for a million dollars a year as a consultant. It is the same as the FDA approving medications, the ' inspector ' is basically an entry level job that you get rewarded for by the pharm companies later on for approving their medications.
Nailed it!
If that is True, they all must be investigated and put in jail.
@@lindafukuyu5767But these people may not have much of a say in how their jobs are carried out.
I remember the first time I flew on a Max. I asked the pilot as I deplaned how he liked it. He said if was a fantastic aircraft, with obvious enthusiasm. I’d like to talk with him again now.
The airplane flies well. It probably has a lot of automation so he’s probably happy with it. You do realize that ther e are thousands of flights with them every day.
The plane is smooth compared to other competitions no doubt, yes Boeing has issues but who Dosent, look at airbus right now, how come you don’t hear or see it in the news as much as you see Boeing?
That’s probably just his experience with the plane. If it went smoothly, it’s a good plane. He could be flying on a max 8 after the scandal, or the max 9 without the plug door.
@@marvinho1010what exactly are you suggesting re airbus? You say everyone has problems but note you don’t hear anything about airbus. Are you saying Boeing is failing the travelling public in comparison or that there is some conspiracy around airbus to keep issues quiet?
He'd probably say the exact same thing, just that Boeing needs to sort itself out. It's like asking a Porsche 911 turboS driver how he likes driving it after it was found some doors were improperly secured. It's still a fantastic drivers' car.
FAA is not doing their job
The new max 737 has optional inflight air conditioning.
Life is too short, I can't take the risk, fly in this type of aircraft, period.
Nobody tell him about the 10000x risk of driving.
@@bigqwertycator even motorcycles
A Boeing 737 is taking off and landing every 1.5 seconds with almost 300 million flight hours, driving to starbucks is substantially more dangerous, better stop driving there too :D
@@BatworxAero The old 737s are fine. It is anything with MAX on it that is potentially deadly.
We have to appreciate the Whistleblower, he could just stay silent, collect his money with his head down and let "more" random people die - like in Fight Club when all the car companies kept lying about safety of their cars and the profits were higher than the lawsuits versus the cost of a recall. Everyone here is just a number to them in perspective.
FAA approved, now I feel safe. NOT
Ever since that merger, Boeing safety record has taken a backseat to profit.
No talk about corrective actions being taken, or people who’ve been reprimanded- but the planes are now deemed to be safe 😂
They are only deemed to have the plug doors installed correctly.
Corrective action was writing large donation checks to congress
I'd never fly Alaska or United..
I've been on board United Airlines to Florida before the Bad Snow Storm.
Another marvelous quality of Boeing was seen not long ago in India with 737 Max missing parts.
Until quality is improved? How about until safety is improved?
Tyler Durden 2024 Version :Take the number of Boeing Max planes in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Ford did this in the 70s when they figured that the cost of settling a wrongful death/injury lawsuit would be cheaper than repairing an issue with the gas tank in their cars. Look up the Ford Pinto case
This is because Boeing is an American company. They will never shut it down because there are too many stakeholders, leaving passengers vulnerable. They brushed the two MAX airline crashes under the carpet that happened few years back. Now, I'd be surprised if more such accidents don't happen.
Let's hope in europe they won't be cleared until our regulator has done their own full review as we have learnt we cannot trust American authorities and if I recall after the FAA and Boeing killed all those on 2 max planes the EU regulator stated they would no longer allow Boeing planes to fly until they have done their own independent review.
The EU seem to be the only people willing to protect consumers in a substantive way.
dang, that's a very anti-America statement.
If they can’t trust American authorities, wouldn’t they not be grounded in the EU until they perform their own investigation as well?
@@DawryMike And the Chinese. Don't forget that the Chinese were the first to ground all MAX planes after the second fatal crash.
@@user-gf8qs1dg3wit’s merica “the land of the free”
The Boeing 747 engine incident and the Boeing 757 nose wheel incident, is in no way connected to the Boeing 737 Max 9 Plug Door incidents, they are all separate incidents.
Yes, but they all come from the same root reason, the chase of short term profits. There are obvious quality assurance issues in the whole process from design to assembly. I can't believe this is the same company that gave us the 747.
@@heisenballs The nosewheel was on a 30-year-old plane, so it's hard to imagine that it's the result of Boeing's negligence. It remains to be seen if Delta should have been aware of that problem before boarding passengers, but given the number of 757s and the longevity of those planes, it seems clear that they were well designed and well built from the get-go.
Agree, so silly, 100% was a delta airlines maintenance issue im sure@@ajs11201
There have been two more 747 engine outs on takeoff.. 3 so far in one week. Yikes.
you sure about that?😂
There are most likely a lot more issues than just those bolts
merica “the land of the free”
Oh, good! The FAA is clearing a path. Because the federal govt is so credible and trustworthy. What could possibly go wrong...
The FAA is one of the only agencies I trust. They have taken their work extremely seriously for decades. I can't say I share the same confidence they've given Boeing here this time though.
The situation today is that Airbus is the BMW/Mercedes of aviation, whereas Boeing is the noisy and loose-bolt Dodge.
Bring your own parachute...................
No bolts for the 737 max plug door. It was a miracle that the plane did not crash.
Better stocks plunge than people in their planes
But this may only mean that people in their planes made by more successful companies plunge because their successes would mean they don’t have to care about safety, since they would become vital organs of the global economy.
40 year old planes are still circulating. That’s scary
The sad part is that those older planes are probably far better built then any of the modern garbage Boeing has put out recently
FAA/congress is _in Boeing's pocket._
merica
757 is really an old machine, and if it is not maintained, it is bound to show minor accidents.
This isnt old its only about 3 months since delivery.
@@user-de8bu5es6f No it has stopped production in 2004.
You won't see me flying one of those, or my family. When the person that helped build these plane said he won't fly on these, you know there is a problem, i don't even trust the faa anymore, Airbus only for me and my family. Boeing putting profit over safety is a major concern.
You are aware that the B737 MAX is among the safest aircraft in the world because people have placed such high standards on it, no? And last-minute equipment changes and cancellations may mean you may not have much of a choice in regards to which aircraft you fly on.
@@aycc-nbh7289 you are aware that these planes have "brand new" have had engine failure as well? And many other things. That's what they said last time, and look now another accident that could of cost someone's life.
@@luigynkaren062011And you are aware that by saying this, you have become a part of the group that places a higher standard onto these planes, no?
@@aycc-nbh7289 sir if you wanna put you and your family in danger by all means, doesn't mean i have to agree with you, kayak already has placed an option on the app to exclude max 9 planes, as you can see people are deeply concerned. I rest my case 🙏
@@aycc-nbh7289 your logic is ridiculous lol, go ahead you ride it all you want
At least until the next fleet-wide grounding...
Aircraft at 03:40 is an Embraer 175...? 🤔 Embraer's involvement in this story is...what, exactly...?
It was in the same airport
If only Toyota can make planes...
This is an incorrect headline. FAA only approved the inspection and maintenance procedures to check the bolts on the door plug. This doesn't mean it's a path to clear the MAX 9 to fly again.
Can’t wait for my Boeing flight tomorrow!
Don't risk your lives guys.
Maintenance issue is not a factory issue
Interesting that over 200 of these aircraft are in service are we are able to approve with in days that all of these aircraft are air worthy?
Give it some time, something else will surface.
Oh, Nose wheels falling off also on other aircraft. Boeing is earning a reputation let alone two crashes in the past few years killing 346 people because Boeing wanted to slip MCAS in there to band-aid an engineering issue.
Yes, that’s how we regulate airplanes. We go on the Internet and see if anybody has any suspicions. If they do, we shut down the company.
@@neilkurzman4907 agreed. When Boeing engineers chime in on the situation, I tend to listen a bit.
@@robertburt8922
As somebody who’s worked in aviation. The entire chain of events says something deeply wrong without hearing from the people in Boeing.
It means that not only with the bolts, not reinstalled, the inspector did not inspect them, and the final review did not notice that the inspection didn’t take place.
That left two options. It wasn’t in the procedure. Or people lied.
Neither one a good option.
It turns out that due to flaws and their procedures there was no check in the system. Which then asked the question well, what other things don’t require checks that should.
You can hire with a priority on Merit or Diversity. If you don't hire for merit competence will suffer!
There a few line workers that know exactly how the bolts were missed. I’m looking forward to that expose’.
It was stupid on Boeings part to want to continue to keep upgrading the 737s when they could had created a new clean sheet narrowbody to replace the 737 line-up or could had went with a 757 and 717 upgrade planes
So they pretty much verified that there were no bolts and it’s ok to fly?
They did nothing
It is ok to fly when inspected and found to be properly installed.
Someone got bags of cash
I was a passenger on a 737 when they were newer in the late 70's.
When I heard the landing gear retract, I swore to newer get on one again.
Never did.
Landing gear shouldn't make loud grinding noises and thumps that are enough to disturb passengers.
Later 737 didn't have that issue
That was an Airbus
@@daal7767
Boeing didn't make those
Boeing hasn't had that issue...
@@erauprcwa
Give it up.
I'm a witness.
Don't even try to call me a liar.
@@TUBEORATER And I'm a pilot who flies every single variant of the 737.
After seeing a former Boeing engineer turned whistleblower say that he won't fly the 737 Max nor allow his family near one, that was all I needed to hear - I refuse to *ever* fly one of these turds. They should all be permanently grounded. Bad engineering from the get-go, bad subcontrator work, on and on.
You are aware that higher standards for them have made them among the safest aircraft to fly, no?
@@aycc-nbh7289 lol NO
@@BrakRulesAllAnd you realize that by saying this, you’ve become a part of the group that places higher standards upon the plane, no?
For complicated machinery and continuous delivery of products to Boeing, it is quite normal to have a dedicated team on site to resolve issues found during inspection. The reporters are making a big deal out of a fairly common practice. Having said that, there appears to be a breakdown in protocol of re-inspection after repair work is done between Spirit and Boeing. That is NOT acceptable.
Why would Spirit even ship an airframe that had defects?
This was allegedly a brand new airplane. I fail to see your point.
Also this was Alaska Airlines. Are you even talking about the same incident? 😂
@@GH-oi2jfthey didn’t. It was Alaska airlines 😂😂😂
@@GH-oi2jfALSO Neither Spirit nor Alaska nor any other company shipped the airframe. Boeing did 😂
When Boeing closes a door....it opens a window !
Always monitor your maintenance crew that everything is thoroughly checked.
A fair question: will the airlines be selling that row of seats by the blocked door, or will they be blocking those seats as well? Personally, I would avoid bookig any seat on plane with quality control issues.
If the bolts would have been installed, this would have never happened by design alone. Now they 100% are installed after inspecting every plane. Media trying to keep you in fear per normal. Seats will and should be sold and this will be a non issue moving forward. Public will forget by the end of the year. Remember the max 8 crashes? Well the public forgot and flying on those planes full daily.
@@paulallen3884 Bruhh you talking about a plane that has a design flaw that was patched by MCAS that caused two fatal crashes and killed over 300. Now doors are flying off. What is next? 737 Max 9 is a flying coffin. 100% facts. Would you eat food I made that had a poisonous recall or you would not trust it? If you answer no then you just answered the question.
There are a lot of bolts on an airplane. Hopefully they know that most are tight
whats going to happen if this plane crashes in america just like the dc 10
absolute nonesense that the 757 issue even came up.
Boeing better take safety seriously.
GOOD, about time the FAA step in again and micro manage Boeing. They have totally dropped the ball on the 737 MAX series time and time again
HELL NAW LITTLE MOMMA! I AIN'T GROOVIN WITH IT
Bring your own tools
Nobody held accountable or talking about the 364 people they killed on two overseas flights involving these max 9’s. Many Boeing executives should be in prison for those two planes of murdered passengers alone.
Those planes will ground themselves, unfortunately for the passengers, the crew, and the victims on the ground.
How do I fix a fleet of aircraft that have numerous design and engineering problems?
Safety meetings!!
Sounds like the FAA is way too chummy with Boing. I would rather fly on an Airbus.
As in that aircraft manufacturer that hasn’t fixed their landing gears after 20 years and hasn’t done anything to improve their windows after multiple incidents where their integrities were compromised?
Excellent questions CBS. The MAX should be scrapped. I'm not risking my life on a plane with a track record for accidents
Kind of seems like the company needs to be replaced.
I hope they didn't cut corners on the production of the 777 or the 787 that I'm scheduled to take.
They did on the 787. 🤷🏽♂️
@@Andrink I'm going to try to check the year of production of the 787 plane on my itinerary. If it's new I'll change to an older plane.
There's only one way to find out
You can bet your life they did, the question is did they cut one too many
@@Passions You are scaring me
If another Max 9 has major issues mid flight that risks lives, Boeing CEO should be taken into custody.
Boeing was once a great and well respected American company. Corporate GREED ended that.
its time for Boeing to get government help since its quality control had go down so much.
Alaskan Airlines flight 1282 I was in that plane and will relive that nightmare every day for the rest of my life.
*Alaska
This is what happens when you hire mechanics and engineers based on DEI rather than merit. It's all part of the slow but steady deterioration of standards in Western countries.
@0:45, Dave Calhoun is doing damage control. You know where the buck stops, but not Dave. No Boeing or Airbus aircraft has as many fatal accidents and safety issues as the 737Max in such as short service period. Why travelers would fly a 737Max when they have Airbus, Embraer, and other options? About a week before the FAA grounded the 737Max, China grounded all 747max when several foreign airliners reported the plane’s mad-computer ordered the plane to nose dive toward the ground including the reports of two catastrophic crashes within months of each other. Apparently, the FAA coddles Boeing. And perhaps that where the blame belongs.
Don’t be surprised when China’s major airliners cancel all remaining 737Max orders and sell the ones in service. Their replacement will be Airbus and C919 - both don’t have “Hal” on board.
It will be up to the people who refuse to fly on these planes. When you book a flight it takes you want plane and people will start cancelling. First this plane had two major crashes which killed over 300 people due to failure of MCAS. Now doors flying out and lucky this plane was only 16k feet because if it was at cruising altitude it could been catastrophic. After the two crashes and design flaw in the plane, I said I would never fly this plane and I stand by my word.
at this rate no one will want to fly them. it's too early.
So how come people are flocking to Airbus even after their landing gear and window issues? Plus, China seems to have placed orders for the B737 MAX over the COMAC aircraft.
Some really sloppy reporting being done here. Including the 757 nose wheel issue in a report about a brand-new aircraft is ridiculous.
The nose wheel issue is a maintenance problem and that should be handled by Delta not Boeing. I’m not trying to defend them. It’s just we need to be clear about what Responsibilities lie with each company
*We have confidence in the 737max making lots of profit a.k.a. jeopardizing safety. - boeing*
You can build them quick, or build them right. Which way would you like your aircraft built?
I would like them to be built by not-boeing
@@ripplecutter233You’re aware that the 737 MAX has become one of the world’s safer aircraft because of the higher standards placed upon it, no?
This insane
the flight began with the captain coming out of the cockpit to thank them for being on board.... Passengers: on board WHAT for Christ sake it's falling apart around us!!!
even though i'm planning to use Alaska's 737 max's to treat myself a peaceful getaway, i am aware that no matter what max i fly on, its destined to get to its breaking point.
I'm sure he brought his checkbook with his meetings to congress
It's a duopoly... Either Airbus or Boeing. What do they care, it's not like there is competition.
BOEING NEEDS BETTER QUALITY CONTROL. . . DONOT WAIT FOR ACCIDENTS OR DEATHS . .
one more incident, will need to investigate both FAA and Boeing any conflict of interest of the personnel involved..
Can’t wait to ride on one next month. I upgraded to first class in hopes that if the door rips off I’m not in the back of the plane.
How long before a crash???
To think, Boeing had the unmitigated temerity to request certain safety measures be bypassed in certifying the Max 10.
"One closed door open another door" - Boeing.
The nose wheel situation has nothing to do with Boeing and the MAX aircraft. STOP BRINGING IT UP! And stop trying to make it a bigger deal. Jesus!
Boeing can't even make a tiny space capsule (Starliner) even after spending 1.5 billion and 7 years on it..
Boeing debacles: 737MAX, KC-46, T-7A, Starliner - all at taxpayer and flying public's expense. GAO blasted USAF/Boeing T-7A program. Googe: 'Boeing T-7 GAO report'
737 max is the Ford Pinto of the aviation world😂😂😂
FAA did that also before losing the door jet rolled out. I neither trust FAA nor Boeing. Sorry!
I'd prefer a train, bus or car in place of flying in Boeing.
How much is Boeing paying the FAA to do this
These planes are not safe, there will be more accidents.
You are aware that the 737 MAX has had very high standards placed upon it and they have made it one of the safest aircraft in the world, no?
I am aware that Boeing says that. I am not aware it is true, facts show otherwise. @@aycc-nbh7289
Boeing's President and CEO needs to be fired now !!
Till next time……..
I won’t fly on any Boeing Aircraft if I have a choice in the matter!
Boeing is the modern MD Douglas.
Because Boeing upper managment IS from the old McDonell-Douglas. Read about former Boeing - and former M-D executives - Philip Condit and Harry Stonecipher. Both ardent disciples of Jack Welsh - one of the worst human beings ever. You got it now?
That's who they merged with and they went downhill afterwards.
Ask yourselves this.... if this was a Chinese built aircraft with the safety issues that it has had.... would the FAA be cleared for flight again, if you think yes, have a blast flying in it, if it is no... consider for yourself who the FAA are looking after.
So have they learnt from prior accidents seems the authorities are just like they are before allowing safety to come after lives.