Taylor Swift’s TTPD Reaction: Jack Antonoff Concerns, Cliché Lyrics, And Heavy-Handed Clues
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Ira and Louis discuss Taylor Swift’s polarizing 11th studio album The Tortured Poets Department, Katy Perry’s doing promo for Elon Musk, tired J Lo jokes, and more. Julia Canfield joins to discuss starring in and learning to become a rock musician for Broadway’s Stereophonic, lasting memories of Succession, and her favorite Fleetwood Mac songs.
CHAPTERS
0:00 - Intro
8:45 - Taylor Swift album
46:43 - Julia Canfield interview
1:09:25 - Keep Its
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Describing Taylor Swift as a Disney Adult is both hilariously apt and the reason why Ira is going to soon be in witness protection
Love being one of like 7 ppl who be on the RUclips lol
It’s cute up in here 😂
There’s thousands of us!!’ 😂
I honestly came to this after Ira talked about how nice the RUclips community is. Now I really love the visual because it's nice to see them react and such. Loved it in audio but this is really nice and just a lovely community
I switched to the YT like a month ago!
I’ve only ever been here. I can’t imagine only LISTENING to them!😳
“I’m getting over him and I’m also a ghost.” Took me OUT. 😂🤣😂🤣
Your conversations are fascinating… I don’t know if I’ll ever listen to this album, yet (as always) I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your conversation about it. 🤔
I was waiting for the Keep it take
I always feel validated when i see RUclipsrs who make the same comparisons that i do in my head. I also likened TTPD to Alanis' Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie and totally called Fortnight as a copy of A Real Hero by Electric Youth (that song from Drive). Thank you for speaking these thoughts into existence.
IRA!!!!!! I Look In People's Windows is my favorite too!!!! I thought it would be a song only I like. So happy you like it too! I feel validated.
It seems to have the same effect on a lot of people: on first listen the impression is 'samey', on second listen the songs started to separate themselves out and really they aren't the same at all and it's good.
I am really interested to see Stereophonic based on this discussion. Fun fact: deciding on the track list for Rumours was a huge pain point for the band. Ultimately, THE BEST SONG RECORDED FOR THE ALBUM, "Silver Springs," was deemed too long and deleted from the final track list WITHOUT STEVIE NICKS' knowledge or permission, and she was pissed when she found out. I would have quit the band over this injustice, but they were making money hand over fist and very high, all the time.
@47:51 there's many Succession's casts in plays getting rave reviews. And Sarah Snook is killing it.
Juliana was a great interviewee!
Lmfao!! I am a Taylor Swift fan and when I heard "But Daddy I Love Him" I felt personally attacked and needed to take a break from the album🤣💀 Great conversation!!
Ira, good point, her lyrics hit strong when she is almost rapping. She is great with words, it just needs to be done succintly. Not like what is rambling down a very long and windy road.
Goodness… after reading these comments I was expecting a much harsher review. But I agreed with a good amount of your critiques. This album definitely needed editing (especially in the anthology).
I think the arrested development theme is purposeful. She is commenting in multiple songs on the arrested development of herself, the man she dated, and her fanbase.
if the album TTPD is nominated for best album of the year, I will make a vow of musical chacety
😂🤣🤣🤣
Ita a 80s sound track in a wonderful way for me at 46.
not a Ferngully reference!
the name is batty
the logic is erratic,
potato in a jacket,
toys in the attic,
i rock and i ramble,
my brain is scrambled,
rap like an animal
but i'm a mammal!🌱🦇🧚♀️
Yeah, Yolanda! 😂
Bring max martin back to the studio taylor
#TheStrokes #TheArcticMonkeys ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Louis inferring that TS's album is for Disney Adults made me LOL.
Shes my browser history 😄
Honestly i feel like everyone listened to Tortured Poets already decided how they felt about it. Like it didn't feel like you guys went into it thinking there might be anything of depth. I would say i overall enjoyed it, but it's certainly not perfect and is quite long. I wish she leaned more into instrumentation. i actually found it to be an interesting premise -- to examine what you are left with when you keep making the same mistakes in relationships and constantly feel like you need to justify yourself. It felt recursive in an interesting way to me.
The album is definitely a grower, not a shower. I felt middling about it at first, but after repeated listens I am now obsessed. Everything from the production to the lyric content hits harder and unfolds with greater depth with more listens. Also I think Taylor's objective with this one was not to make an entertaining record full of bangers and bops, but to purge herself of her emotional STUFF over the past couple of years. This was a work for her, not for the fans and definitely not for the casual listeners. And it has the added bonus of offering a healing balm and validation for anyone who has experienced similar relationship dynamics. You don't need to be a billionaire popstar to have felt unseen, unvalidated, gaslit and led on by lovers or business associates. And definitely not to feel nostalgic for better times. That's her genius - the ability to make the deeply personal to her relatable to all (most of) her listeners. On my first listen I would have considered this just above her country output (I really don't like country) but after multiple listens I now think this might rank as one of her best, given time. A lot of people didn't like Reputation at first but now it's considered a high-water mark for her career. I think the same will prove true of this one.
Ok boys, let's compare Fortnight vs Levii's Jeans. Both with Post Malone. There is no comparison. I did not like Beyonce's Cowboy Carter, but I and critics don't go after her album the way that Keep It and others go after Taylor Swift. It just feels like there is always a personal attack. It's the way you all seem to take it to the personal level.
Actually, 15 was when she was 15 was wrote about her best friend when they were 15 so I don’t know
Technically, I always thought that bad blood was about John Mayer because you know he dated Katie they broke up then he dated Taylor and they broke up and then Katie and John got back together
My friends’ kids seem to like her and like that she stands up to bullies, so there's that… She is female representation in a world of boys boys boys, so there’s that… And, her hooks are sometimes catchy… But, I could not tell you many of her lyrics… Good for her for constantly being creative, and though I’ve not ever bought an album or song… As Derrick Berry once said, “Her drag isn’t FOR you.” And, that’s fine, too. Thanks for another fun show, gents. Love, one of your fans on RUclips. 😊
'everywhere you look there's a hem!'👠🙃
Hiding the Descovy. FFS lol.
I adore TPD and seeing the criticism has surprised me. Trying to see your points but the album doesn’t sound or feel samey to me. At the end of the day, I guess she’s not for everyone … but she almost is
Has Louis been in holiday? Looks like he’s caught the sun.
I've decided to classify TS in my mind as a children's/YA book author. this is about as complex as her lyrics are and she and her fandom have decided to stay in arrested development 🤷♀
Be honest. Have you listened to her recent albums? I mean there isn’t disliking it but the girl requires you to use a dictionary to understand her lyrics plus look up literary references
So because you need a dictionary to listen to her songs you think everyone else does? Also what do think that says about her? Many spelling bee champs are in elementary/high school.
That's reductive; people enjoying lyrics that aren't complex can have literacy struggles or are on the spectrum and find implicit meanings hard to grasp. Preferring clear communication and explicit meaning isn't a sign of arrested development.
@@intheknowglow as expected, Swifties understood this as a critique of the literal words she uses and not the CONTENT. Don't use ASD as a strawman here to infantilize people on the spectrum; many people on the spectrum can enjoy a range of media from very complex to simple as far as vocab is concerned. Like. How is that relevant here? You're reaching. (And even if she *is* making music with people with low literacy in mind, which let's be honest, she isn't.............what does that say about the 90% of people who listen to her that have average literacy lol)
When I say this, I mean that this woman is 34 and is still writing about high school and LIKE she's in high school. I don't care if it's a metaphor, I don't care if she's only saying she feels that way "sometimes." The fact is her lyrical content has not evolved as she's aged. She's still writing about decade-old beefs. She's still writing about being a damsel even as she's the most powerful woman in the music industry. She very much does this on purpose to appeal to teen girls, to deflect accountability for her very adult choices. Many women say that her music "brings them back" to their adolescence. It's a marketing strategy. If you like that, if you see yourself in that, okay. But don't make excuses for it. It is what it is!
@@intheknowglow also saying " people enjoying lyrics that aren't complex [...] find implicit meanings hard to grasp" is wild considering you have to know her whole dating and rivalry history in order to feel "in" on a majority of her lyrics lol like that's still being implicit
“We left Hozier at church.” 🤣
yas to the Whitney Houston biopic! Naomi was amazing
Why not name the album "A Tortured Poet"? I don't understand why the album name has to be SO long?!
Florida was the first place after Joe and Taylor announced their breakup
Love how you jumped on this ridiculous bandwagon…. Way to go.
The Swifties seems cultish in that they can't take any negative criticism about her music. Taylor is a mortal human, she isn't perfect and that's ok. She won't produce work that is a 100/100. She's gonna miss sometimes and that's normal. Threatening to kill a reviewer is INSANE!
For Disney adults 💯
These stans have gone too far. If only thing you listen to is Taylor Swifts, your world is too small.
“She’s never even seen Quills” took me out! 😂
I think everything released even 6 months after Cowboy Carter is going to be stale, but most of all music that is the same old, same old. It's boring AF.
Swifties calling Taylor the best songwriter of our time while Adrianne Lenker is alive and well is laughable to me
Listen to her Folklore and Evermore albums.
I’m tired of seeing her everywhere. You go to a website and all the articles are about her as if there are no other artists. She should bring back the mystery she had when she was with Joe.
Deeper Well has not grown on me yet unfortunately. Golden Hour will continue to be played on repeat.
I am so happy that it makes you pressed 😂
She will never. She learnt that lesson. She is not someone to be caged by a man. Maybe you can let your man dominate you but not others.
Also, she releases music for her fans. You skeptics have an option to ignore her and her music but you guys don't because you all are more obsessed with her than we fans are.
It's called popularity.
Deeper well is a sunday morning kinda music, try ;)
My take on Taylor Swift is that she is funny, the album, the title, and premise is largely self-deprecating and humourous. People can't see that because of typical sexism reasons, but also because Taylor weirdly has thin skin and doesn't let others make jokes about her.
Album is way too long, and Antonoff production is starting to blend together. Her fans need to chill, but also a lot of her haters are doing way too much. She doesn't need to have a take on every political situation, that is a weird expectation for people to have about a pop star.
re: your last point, i think it's a weird expectation to have for a pop star, but a reasonable expectation to have for a billionaire
I was with you until your last point.
The only accurate thing you said is that she has thin skin.
@@khan.2705 That's fair. I'm being exposed to really deranged comments on twitter, so that's maybe where we may differ. But it would be nice if Taylor Swift took good poilitical stances, my thing is I don't think her saying nothing is the same as her being bigoted as some have said.
@@maha_shaista Fair
Bob Dylan has ONLY bad albums 🤷♀
okay, gonna continue listening. Love you guys
Bland and boring
Not enough new? She hasn’t had albums about her relationships for years. Folklore and Evermore were fictional and not based on her real life. Midnights was not all about relationships. Lover was actually a happier album.
Y'all be calling good music lame nowadays, lol.
This episode is why I cant watch you guys all the time. I don't agree with you on pop culture...most of the time 🤦♀️😂😂😂
The anger you guys make me feel almost every time I listen to your show, whether it is TS or movies, etc. I think it has to do with the way you act like you are the best all and end all of good taste and the creative process. I mean, I know you're writers, but you're not famous writers you're not even witing your own things.