Quick tidbit here, both of these pumps are driven by motors, the vibrating pump is just a linear induction motor instead of a rotating motor. Its very likely that your rotating motor is also induction, it just moves differently. The most common example of a linear induction motor is found in every loudspeaker on earth and they can certainly perform day in and day out for decades. Whether or not they can handle a specific duty cycle is really a matter of how they are sized and designed for a certain application. There also other very cheap versions of rotating pumps out there, this one in particular is just very robust. This is extremely informative though as it shows how these are set up for ESPRESSO machines, great work on showing these taken apart and discussing them.
+Patrick Anderson While technically accurate, I haven't seen any speakers with a 1/1.5 duty cycle. Haha! In this age of lighter cheaper run it to the limit engineering, you generally get what you pay for. Even though my 2500 dollar refrigerator with the new linear compressor crapped out after only 3 years. Grandma's GE fridge ran for 60 years and was only shut off for defrosting and during power outages and never had so much as a screw replaced. Still worked when it sold with her house. Planned obsolescence is all the rage. Whenever I see "duty cycle" less than "continuous", I don't walk away. I run. Haha! Gimme a Procon pump on a Baldor motor and call me in 60 years.
I had my Rancilio Silvia on a timer to heat up in the morning, but left the pump switch on Twice,and burned out two pumps while I slept unheeding! I at least,learned my machine inside and out. One good thing was that each time I bought my pump online, they were of better quality. The last one was all metal (excluding gaskets etc.) and cost me the same cash! Yes,It took two stupid moves to impinge on my obviously addled mind that the half hour (or less if you run some water through) I had to wait, was less trouble than buying another pump! I type this after breaking down my grinder and almost buying rebuild parts, but finding that the gear box makes grinding noises without beans! So backed out on the parts and am now watching this site's very enjoyable vids to decide on a low level coffee grinder that I can afford (less cash than the espresso machine I use)
Excellent vid explaining the pump Differences. I'm a visual person so having the parts displayed helped understanding the way the pumps work. Great job Gals and Bill.
It's so hard to properly represent sound in our videos, though; we tried to do it with grinders by using a sound meter and it showed different decibels, but it's mostly a tone thing. I think that the Silvia is louder because it's smaller, so things are closer together and will jiggle & shake (for lack of a better description). - Kat
I did a similar video a few month ago, but this one is more elaborated than my quick & dirty style... I like the way of presentation... Greetings from Europe - South Bavaria. For me it is just a relaxed 4 hours drive in the car to Milano where the factories are... Ciao Markus
Your video was informative and very to the point. And in english! Didn't have to ask my classmates in Darmstadt for help. Originally I thought pressure for all espresso machines were dependent on grind size. Does this mean that rotary pumps are more forgiving on grind quality/consistency?
Great video! Some great folks giving great information. No winners, no losers, just different equipment for different needs. Thanks for the information. I'll be looking you up when I'm in the market again.
I don't think the rotary pump would work very well with a thermocoil system. The vibratory pump doses out water in small amounts that can be vaporized. The rotary pump would have to rotate very slowly in order to manage that.
You guys are the absolute best! Love the in-depth coverage of the technology behind these machines that helps justify the price differences. Extremely helpful!!
Thank you for this rad explanation (and to the thread of comments)! Love the visuals, and how you broke it down in layman's terms. I've worked in cafes my whole life so I know a thing or two... but internals are not my niche. I'm finally looking at buying a machine for my home and this put everything that I've been frustrated about into perspective. I'm feeling way more confident about my the purchase I'm about to make after watching and reading through. Kudos!
I want you to know that you have already saved my a$$ twice once when I was going to buy my super automatic espresso machine and now that I am looking for the difference between the pumps I can see and choose wisely. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and keep up the good work
Great video. A few other considerations: 1)The mounting of a vibe pump affects how loud it is. They are are suspended in a rubber mount, but if that rubber or the pump touches anything, the vibe pump gets really loud. 2)While a rotary pump can be rebuilt, it is useful to note a new vibe pump costs around $50 which is less than the cost to rebuild of a rotary pump. 3)A vibe pump takes longer to get to full pressure. This can result in a machine that is more forgiving to newbies.
@vladyslavleonov7174 not sure if you ever received a response but the cost depends on which pump you have. Regardless it’s fairly inexpensive, to have them rebuilt or you can purchase a repair kit. If you’re purchasing or repairing a Procon pump, I recommend contacting EDCO Distributing
Just watched this and very timely. I'm deciding between the Cellini Premium Plus V2 and the Evoluzione V2. Rotary seems the way to go but about $400 more in comparing these models. For occasional home use, I may consider the vibratory due to cost savings. An interesting comparison would be between the Rancilio Silvia (very loud) and the Rocket with vibratory pumps. Rockets seem much quieter but would be fun to hear the difference. Thanks again and keep the education coming!
Thoroughly enjoyed this video... Absolutely LOVED the sign in the background...LMFAO...🤣😂🤣 Had the exact same sign in my Touring Coach... Suffice to say never had one issue with errant children...😉
I've been considering a conversion for an ascaso trio that has vibe pumps and was lucky enough to find your interesting and informative video ...thanks so much for posting it its helped me a lot with deciding and I'm sure helped others. You're great.
Decibels are a logarithmic scale. A 10bD increase in decibel level will result in a doubling of perceived volume. A baby crying is 110 dB, an ambulance siren is twice as loud, so 120 dB, a jack hammer is 130 dB, and a jet engine is 140dB. When you look at it, it looks like a jet engine isn't much louder than a crying baby, but it is actually 8 times louder! You demonstrated that a rotary pump is half as loud as a vibe pump.
This was so interesting !! Thank you! Gail is amazing as always, but unlike her, I quite like the sound of a grinder, mine is pretty quiet and pleasant to the ear imho. On the other hand, I really dislike the sound of a vibrating pump, it's very aggressive, in your face kind of sound, you can feel the entire machine shaking, cups on the top shaking and moving knocking into one another...The smooth sound of a rotary pump reminds me of ice cream machine at the milk bar, and everything related to ice cream gives me joy inside my heart :-P Also, I wonder if the vibration through the whole machine is a good thing for the overall integrity of the components over a long period of time compared to rotary pump which feels a lot less intrusive. If you are ready to invest well over 2000$ on a machine that you will likely keep for a good part of your life maybe the 500$ more is worth it even if it doesn't make
Can you explain the function and workings of the relief valve in the rotary pump? and what causes the pressure produced by the headpump to be inconsistent? Thank You
Hate to be the tech nerd! But, in theory, a "Rotary Pump" coverts Electric energy in magnetic energy as well, with either alternating current or it can be direct current pump motor. I believe most rotary pump motors for espresso applications are AC. I understood your guys basic point ! But my friend brought this up to me, they got confused when you said a vibrating pump was "electric to magnetic energy."
I'm really impressed by the sound level app, Could you please use that on all product reviews for comparison? I would like to have some way to compare the volume of different grinders or espresso machines prior to purchase.
Hey there awesome video! Just a quick note though, 1/1.5 duty cycle is 66%. So the machine can be on 66% of the time you consider as a unit, which in this case can be 1.5 minutes, seconds, hours...
Very helpful! Personally I won't be able to stand the noise of the vibration pump. It 'll got to be a rotary, unless there are other brands that are on the quieter side? thank you
Thank you for making this video!!! I'm very happy with my Rocket Premium Plus. I think also that for private using, the vibrationpump is enough. I invested my money in a better Grinder^^
Understood, but they don't actually sound that much different to me :) I would choose a rotary over vibe pump for other reasons than sound, but that seems to be what a lot of people focus on. - Kat
Thanks Gail, I always get a honest answer out of your videos. Seems a better upgrade would be the grinder. Would the size of the portafilter matter? I bought the breville barista express
I have a Breville Dual Boiler home machine (BES820) with a vibratory pump and it is LOUD. It doesn't have an inbuilt grinder - the volume is 100% the pump. Not great for early morning coffees - wakes up the whole house!
Hi Gale, Bill and the camera lady, and Happy New Year! I just saw your video and I recently bought a La San Marco 95-22-3. I’m looking for a water pump now and I was wandering if you know the proper pump characteristics for this machine? Bill I have the old pump but it's leaking and i have to either rebuild or replace the one i have. Do you have for sale a repair kit for this pumps? Thank you!
Unfortunately, we do not currently have a pump repair kit for this machine. As for the pump characteristics, I'll see if I can't get some answers from someone better able to answer that question and I'll get back to you! -Kaylie
Seattle Coffee Gear Okay, so my source says that the machine likely has a rotary pump, since it's a commercial machine, and that there normally are not re-build kits for those pumps. -Kaylie
Thank you very much! In the main time i did some research and i managed to buy a "rotary pump" new same as the one i has b4 and wasn't much but $30+$10sh. i also find this website that may help you and maybe others in the future! www.edcodistributing.com/pumppricing.php they have some very expensive pumps but they have the kit!
One big this I noticed is the vibration pump will burn up if its ran for a period of time with out water, as weather is the 'coolent' I have had 2 vibratory pump burn up due to running the water tank empty.
Thanks for the video. I wonder if Rotary pump and volumetric pump is the same? I f The machine is just plumb in, can I use a bucket or sth to use it or does it have to be plumbed? Thanks
10db differences equate to a sensation of "twice as loud," which is no doubt why most of us find rotaries to be far quieter. Not to mention that humans are less sensitive to lower tones such as those in a rotary pump.
I know i'm late to the party... however i think i would go with Rotary also. It never hurts to buy quality... and adding another point of failure to a system is never good. Not to mention, your raising the cost of the machine with materials and labor to accomplish the same thing a rotary is capable of handling on its own.
Ok, thanks for the video. Nothing is too complicated. So, the difference is in sound and how many cups of coffee you want to make per day actually. :) Personally, I do not see a lot of difference in price according to details I saw. It looks like commercial machine should be about 200 bucks more expensive only. :) So, if you can get pretty good vibration pump machine for about 250 bucks then the same commercial version should around 450-500 bucks but not more. :)
Actually no.. the commercial machines also have higher quality internal plumbing, boilers, etc.. so they are gonna be more $$. That doesn't mean someone cant manufacture a cheaper rotary pump system.
Vibe pumps are better for home use as they are cheap, if you're lazy and you live in a hard water area and don't descale as often as you should and you burn out your pump you can get an OEM replacement for 20 bucks shipped. If you do that with a rotary vane pump you'll be crying when you have to spend 500$ replacing the rotary vane pump. The grinder will always be louder that the vibe pump as they correctly note and pump type has no effect on taste.
In my house the kitchen and family room are open to each other. I can't use the vibratory pump in the kitchen while people are watching TV in the family room without interrupting the program. The rotary pump being 10 db quieter means it is putting out only 10% of the noise of the vibrator pump. Next espresso machine -- rotary all the way!!!
Quick tidbit here, both of these pumps are driven by motors, the vibrating pump is just a linear induction motor instead of a rotating motor. Its very likely that your rotating motor is also induction, it just moves differently. The most common example of a linear induction motor is found in every loudspeaker on earth and they can certainly perform day in and day out for decades. Whether or not they can handle a specific duty cycle is really a matter of how they are sized and designed for a certain application. There also other very cheap versions of rotating pumps out there, this one in particular is just very robust.
This is extremely informative though as it shows how these are set up for ESPRESSO machines, great work on showing these taken apart and discussing them.
+Patrick Anderson While technically accurate, I haven't seen any speakers with a 1/1.5 duty cycle. Haha! In this age of lighter cheaper run it to the limit engineering, you generally get what you pay for. Even though my 2500 dollar refrigerator with the new linear compressor crapped out after only 3 years. Grandma's GE fridge ran for 60 years and was only shut off for defrosting and during power outages and never had so much as a screw replaced. Still worked when it sold with her house. Planned obsolescence is all the rage. Whenever I see "duty cycle" less than "continuous", I don't walk away. I run. Haha! Gimme a Procon pump on a Baldor motor and call me in 60 years.
I had my Rancilio Silvia on a timer to heat up in the morning, but left the pump switch on Twice,and burned out two pumps while I slept unheeding! I at least,learned my machine inside and out. One good thing was that each time I bought my pump online, they were of better quality. The last one was all metal (excluding gaskets etc.) and cost me the same cash! Yes,It took two stupid moves to impinge on my obviously addled mind that the half hour (or less if you run some water through) I had to wait, was less trouble than buying another pump! I type this after breaking down my grinder and almost buying rebuild parts, but finding that the gear box makes grinding noises without beans! So backed out on the parts and am now watching this site's very enjoyable vids to decide on a low level coffee grinder that I can afford (less cash than the espresso machine I use)
Ooops, lesson learned! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos - let us know if you have any questions! -Kaylie
Excellent vid explaining the pump Differences. I'm a visual person so having the parts displayed helped understanding the way the pumps work. Great job Gals and Bill.
Glad you enjoyed it :) Thanks for watching! - Kat
It's so hard to properly represent sound in our videos, though; we tried to do it with grinders by using a sound meter and it showed different decibels, but it's mostly a tone thing. I think that the Silvia is louder because it's smaller, so things are closer together and will jiggle & shake (for lack of a better description). - Kat
I did a similar video a few month ago, but this one is more elaborated than my quick & dirty style... I like the way of presentation... Greetings from Europe - South Bavaria. For me it is just a relaxed 4 hours drive in the car to Milano where the factories are...
Ciao Markus
Your video was informative and very to the point. And in english! Didn't have to ask my classmates in Darmstadt for help. Originally I thought pressure for all espresso machines were dependent on grind size. Does this mean that rotary pumps are more forgiving on grind quality/consistency?
Great video! Some great folks giving great information. No winners, no losers, just different equipment for different needs. Thanks for the information. I'll be looking you up when I'm in the market again.
+blmeflmm66 Cheers! Thanks for watcing!
I don't think the rotary pump would work very well with a thermocoil system. The vibratory pump doses out water in small amounts that can be vaporized. The rotary pump would have to rotate very slowly in order to manage that.
You guys are the absolute best! Love the in-depth coverage of the technology behind these machines that helps justify the price differences. Extremely helpful!!
Thank you for this rad explanation (and to the thread of comments)! Love the visuals, and how you broke it down in layman's terms. I've worked in cafes my whole life so I know a thing or two... but internals are not my niche. I'm finally looking at buying a machine for my home and this put everything that I've been frustrated about into perspective. I'm feeling way more confident about my the purchase I'm about to make after watching and reading through. Kudos!
I want you to know that you have already saved my a$$ twice once when I was going to buy my super automatic espresso machine and now that I am looking for the difference between the pumps I can see and choose wisely. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and keep up the good work
Cheers! Thanks for watching ;)
Wow this guy is awesome, really good way of telling what is the difference between them, really appreciate the video even 9 years later ! cheers
Great video. A few other considerations:
1)The mounting of a vibe pump affects how loud it is. They are are suspended in a rubber mount, but if that rubber or the pump touches anything, the vibe pump gets really loud.
2)While a rotary pump can be rebuilt, it is useful to note a new vibe pump costs around $50 which is less than the cost to rebuild of a rotary pump.
3)A vibe pump takes longer to get to full pressure. This can result in a machine that is more forgiving to newbies.
@vladyslavleonov7174 not sure if you ever received a response but the cost depends on which pump you have.
Regardless it’s fairly inexpensive, to have them rebuilt or you can purchase a repair kit. If you’re purchasing or repairing a Procon pump, I recommend contacting EDCO Distributing
You're welcome! Glad you found it helpful. - Kat
Just watched this and very timely. I'm deciding between the Cellini Premium Plus V2 and the Evoluzione V2. Rotary seems the way to go but about $400 more in comparing these models. For occasional home use, I may consider the vibratory due to cost savings. An interesting comparison would be between the Rancilio Silvia (very loud) and the Rocket with vibratory pumps. Rockets seem much quieter but would be fun to hear the difference. Thanks again and keep the education coming!
O filmare extraordinara de proasta ,cu ce sa filmat in acest video ? Cumva cu un pantof?
Thoroughly enjoyed this video...
Absolutely LOVED the sign in the background...LMFAO...🤣😂🤣
Had the exact same sign in my Touring Coach...
Suffice to say never had one issue with errant children...😉
I've been considering a conversion for an ascaso trio that has vibe pumps and was lucky enough to find your interesting and informative video ...thanks so much for posting it its helped me a lot with deciding and I'm sure helped others. You're great.
+Sean Tivenan Cheers! Thanks for watching
Decibels are a logarithmic scale. A 10bD increase in decibel level will result in a doubling of perceived volume. A baby crying is 110 dB, an ambulance siren is twice as loud, so 120 dB, a jack hammer is 130 dB, and a jet engine is 140dB. When you look at it, it looks like a jet engine isn't much louder than a crying baby, but it is actually 8 times louder! You demonstrated that a rotary pump is half as loud as a vibe pump.
Brian Webb I came here to make this comment, but you explained it better than I would.
Glad you enjoyed it! -Kaylie
No - that has to do with whether or not they have a brew pressure release valve in place on the machine. - Kat
This was so interesting !! Thank you! Gail is amazing as always, but unlike her, I quite like the sound of a grinder, mine is pretty quiet and pleasant to the ear imho. On the other hand, I really dislike the sound of a vibrating pump, it's very aggressive, in your face kind of sound, you can feel the entire machine shaking, cups on the top shaking and moving knocking into one another...The smooth sound of a rotary pump reminds me of ice cream machine at the milk bar, and everything related to ice cream gives me joy inside my heart :-P
Also, I wonder if the vibration through the whole machine is a good thing for the overall integrity of the components over a long period of time compared to rotary pump which feels a lot less intrusive. If you are ready to invest well over 2000$ on a machine that you will likely keep for a good part of your life maybe the 500$ more is worth it even if it doesn't make
Glad it was helpful for you! :D - Kat
Glad to hear it! -Kaylie
Can you explain the function and workings of the relief valve in the rotary pump?
and what causes the pressure produced by the headpump to be inconsistent?
Thank You
Hate to be the tech nerd! But, in theory, a "Rotary Pump" coverts Electric energy in magnetic energy as well, with either alternating current or it can be direct current pump motor. I believe most rotary pump motors for espresso applications are AC.
I understood your guys basic point ! But my friend brought this up to me, they got confused when you said a vibrating pump was "electric to magnetic energy."
Glad you enjoyed it! :D - Kat
We love to educate! -Kaylie
I'm really impressed by the sound level app, Could you please use that on all product reviews for comparison? I would like to have some way to compare the volume of different grinders or espresso machines prior to purchase.
WONDERFUL VIDEO!!!! Thank you so much for this insight.. Absolutely great video!
so in conclusion is it worth the price difference ? am I missing anything if I bought a vibration pump machine for home use ?
Hey there awesome video! Just a quick note though, 1/1.5 duty cycle is 66%. So the machine can be on 66% of the time you consider as a unit, which in this case can be 1.5 minutes, seconds, hours...
wow, I have always wondered this--what an excellent video-thanks!
Very helpful! Personally I won't be able to stand the noise of the vibration pump. It 'll got to be a rotary, unless there are other brands that are on the quieter side? thank you
Thank you for making this video!!! I'm very happy with my Rocket Premium Plus. I think also that for private using, the vibrationpump is enough. I invested my money in a better Grinder^^
To avoid any confusion 14:10 it's not the rotary decibels, it's VIBE
Thank you for the wonderful video! I have a gaggia baby with a vibrating pump. It's the pump the reason gaggia forbids backflushing in this machine?
great video, and the test at the end - very professional .
Understood, but they don't actually sound that much different to me :) I would choose a rotary over vibe pump for other reasons than sound, but that seems to be what a lot of people focus on. - Kat
Thanks for the extra info! -Kaylie
Very true! -Kaylie
Oh my, I would definitely visit the factories if I was that close! :-) -Kaylie
Thanks Gail, I always get a honest answer out of your videos. Seems a better upgrade would be the grinder. Would the size of the portafilter matter? I bought the breville barista express
Great to the point video with perfect explanation.
"Unattended children will be given an espresso and a free puppy" HAHAHAHA hilarious! THats gold
I have a Breville Dual Boiler home machine (BES820) with a vibratory pump and it is LOUD. It doesn't have an inbuilt grinder - the volume is 100% the pump. Not great for early morning coffees - wakes up the whole house!
Thank you! -Kaylie
And we love making them! -Kaylie
Hi Gale, Bill and the camera lady, and Happy New Year!
I just saw your video and I recently bought a La San Marco 95-22-3. I’m looking for a water pump now and I was wandering if you know the proper pump characteristics for this machine?
Bill I have the old pump but it's leaking and i have to either rebuild or replace the one i have. Do you have for sale a repair kit for this pumps?
Thank you!
Unfortunately, we do not currently have a pump repair kit for this machine. As for the pump characteristics, I'll see if I can't get some answers from someone better able to answer that question and I'll get back to you! -Kaylie
Seattle Coffee Gear Okay, so my source says that the machine likely has a rotary pump, since it's a commercial machine, and that there normally are not re-build kits for those pumps. -Kaylie
Thank you very much! In the main time i did some research and i managed to buy a "rotary pump" new same as the one i has b4 and wasn't much but $30+$10sh. i also find this website that may help you and maybe others in the future!
www.edcodistributing.com/pumppricing.php they have some very expensive pumps but they have the kit!
Myxprso InAM Yeay - I'm so glad you found something for your machine! -Kaylie
Thank you for doing this! Very edu-cation-ary :)
Good choice! -Kaylie
One big this I noticed is the vibration pump will burn up if its ran for a period of time with out water, as weather is the 'coolent' I have had 2 vibratory pump burn up due to running the water tank empty.
Great education. Thank you.
Very informative video! Thanks a lot..
Thanks for the video.
I wonder if Rotary pump and volumetric pump is the same?
I f The machine is just plumb in, can I use a bucket or sth to use it or does it have to be plumbed?
Thanks
I will suggest this to Kat! -Kaylie
10db differences equate to a sensation of "twice as loud," which is no doubt why most of us find rotaries to be far quieter. Not to mention that humans are less sensitive to lower tones such as those in a rotary pump.
Very informative! Thanks for making this video!
Any where to find a skiss/list on all nessesary parts to build a own esspressomachine?
Thank you for this video. It did help.
very good video, thanks.
+ertreri You are very welcome!
Very informative. Thanks.
+Bruce Cuz Thanks for watching!
Thx Kat! Yes, I guess "jiggle & shake" is part of the experience with the Silvia. :-0 Still a good espresso shot...
Nice information
Truth! And remember: Neither will be as loud as your grinder ;) - Kat
Yeah, kitchen right next to the living room can be loud. :-) -Kaylie
wheren I can buy the rotary pump individually?
I miss Kat. Not the same without her. Her and Gale were the dynamic duo of all things coffee/espresso.
Please assmbly available in shop in Chandigarh
Did you get the coffee stain out Kat?
Excellent!!!!
I enjoyed the video
Im in love with the camera girl her voice
Bill said vibratory pump was not for plumbed in, however Expobar Brewtus IV P is with vibratory pump and Plumbable. Please explain. Thanks
+Ko Amin Samudera You can do it if you have a solenoid valve before the pump. It's rarely done.
+Beans and Rice thanks. does the solenoid valve come as standard kit from the machine purchase;?
+Beans and Rice thanks for your advice. I think I'd better buy rotary pump machine.
I know i'm late to the party... however i think i would go with Rotary also. It never hurts to buy quality... and adding another point of failure to a system is never good. Not to mention, your raising the cost of the machine with materials and labor to accomplish the same thing a rotary is capable of handling on its own.
hi Aaron. thanks for your input. I did buy VBM Domobar with rotary pump......
Wouldn't the rotary pump be 3600 rpm?
A really interesting video. Thank you :-)
so the rotary pump is something similar to the engine i have in my car (rotary engine.) the rotary is nice and smooth in sound.
Ok, thanks for the video. Nothing is too complicated. So, the difference is in sound and how many cups of coffee you want to make per day actually. :) Personally, I do not see a lot of difference in price according to details I saw. It looks like commercial machine should be about 200 bucks more expensive only. :) So, if you can get pretty good vibration pump machine for about 250 bucks then the same commercial version should around 450-500 bucks but not more. :)
Actually no.. the commercial machines also have higher quality internal plumbing, boilers, etc.. so they are gonna be more $$. That doesn't mean someone cant manufacture a cheaper rotary pump system.
db is based on a logarithmic scale, so 10db is twice as loud as 0db, and 30db is twice as loud as 20db. Just fyi.
I think she did! -Kaylie
Vibe pumps are better for home use as they are cheap, if you're lazy and you live in a hard water area and don't descale as often as you should and you burn out your pump you can get an OEM replacement for 20 bucks shipped. If you do that with a rotary vane pump you'll be crying when you have to spend 500$ replacing the rotary vane pump. The grinder will always be louder that the vibe pump as they correctly note and pump type has no effect on taste.
In my house the kitchen and family room are open to each other. I can't use the vibratory pump in the kitchen while people are watching TV in the family room without interrupting the program. The rotary pump being 10 db quieter means it is putting out only 10% of the noise of the vibrator pump. Next espresso machine -- rotary all the way!!!
Nice video, but please use a tripod when filming your next one!
Thanks! We use tripods in our more recent videos. :-) The old videographer, Kat, liked to film everything with a hand-held.
:-D -Kaylie
Thanks for the video... :D :D :D
That's very educative... ;-)
rotary is the winner...next :)
n both machine jill calls them the both rotary Daah!!!!
rotary is te best, fucking the rest.
Teaching ppl about shit y'all barely understand lol
Sorry but the woman on the screen here is not adding anything and is mostly saying incorrect things.
Glad you enjoyed it! -Kaylie