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Can you block minafrota6124?, they've been shitposting on your reactions and creating a very negative space for your subscribers for weeks. Enough is enough. As people who enjoy your content, we don't deserve to be insulted for liking this show.
@@LadySKizo I don't speak/act upon self interest. I value others, if you can imagine that. Found the collaborator.. We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.
It was more beautiful than the game when he said it was not time that healed him, and more uncomfortable than the game when he kept comparing Ellie to Sara. And it was perfect.
Yes, that really hit home. The expressions on Joel and Ellie's faces said all. Especially Ellie, because that one line from Joel showed everything about how much he loves her. For an orphan girl who's never had a parent, that means everything.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
they’re really good at kicking us in the stomach aren’t they? it’s so weird to know what’s coming in the story and it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t lessen the hurt even a little bit when it happens
@All The Bananas that actually makes sense. Not gonna lie, I initially felt a little cheated after watching this and finding nothing that would be considered 'Divisive' to me. Sure, the episode was on the short side but I still loved it
@@anitaremenarova6662 She didn't make a choice. Had Marlene such confidence, she could have told Ellie, she would have talked to Joel and he wouldn't have killed anyone. Also, they did very little tests on Ellie and there was scientifically many things to do before killing your only immune patient. The path they took was medically really unwise and stupid. We've had patients immune to deadly diseases for centuries with still no cure and thousands of labs working on them. We have known for decades that 1% of people are immune to HIV yet there is still no cure. It's a trolley dilemna except it's not kill one person to save a few hundred thousands, it's kill 1 person for basically 0% chance to save anyone. I'd rather believe that eating Ellie's flesh gives immunity than a single doctor can save the world with voodoo medicine. Their whole basis of reasoning is "her mother told us Ellie was born before she got bitten". To me the doctor had a savior delusion. Discounting the fact he wasn't even a doctor, he was at best still a student during the cordyceps breakout based on his age.
For me, I don’t think it’s a question of whether Joel made the right decision or not, it’s that neither he NOR Marlene gave Ellie the choice to make her own, informed choice. They both took the decision away from her - in different ways, but still away from her - by lying to her. EDIT: Whoops, wrote my comment before I got to the part where Greg says the same thing 😅 But yes, agree - they should have let her decide.
At the same time, they needed to give her a bit first. Like Marlene should have told Joel and then Joel could have admitted to Ellie going through so much trauma that asking her this is asking a suicidal teenager if they’d like to die and she needed/deserved time to heal mentally before being asked to sacrifice herself for something that is still not a guarantee.
It’s such a brilliant dilemma. Of course everyone should have the right to make such a decision. But how reliable is the choice of a traumatized child? They constructed it so it was impossible to answer
@@WoodlandT I agree in some respects, but with what Ellie had just gone through with David, and the idea that he wanted to strip her of her agency - not to mention everything else he wanted to do to her **shudders** - it hits even harder that neither Marlene nor Joel gave her a choice either. Plus, yes, I know she’s still a child, but a child that has gone through hell and back, and shouldn’t that afford her the respect and responsibility to make her own choices? But like you said, a brilliant dilemma.
The part where Joel said he was ready to end himself was important. If they had asked Ellie, she might have said she was ready for it. But the truth is she is carrying a lot of survivor's guilt which could be influencing her decision. In his mind, he's just buying her time until she finds that something worth living for.
My god this was such an emotional episode (I've never played the game). A few things if I may: -I found Ellie's sorrow so sad to see-clearly the trauma from David affected her. I found Ellie laughing feeding the giraffe moving, as interacting with animals really is healing for people who've experienced trauma. -Hearing Joel admit he attempted to take his own life made me super emotional, not only seeing Joel say he's happy he failed with tears in his eyes, but I imagine it was very emotional for Pedro, knowing that he lost his mom to suicide back when he was younger. -The ominous music playing during Joel's rampage was so eerie.... -Consensus on Joel's decision: I totally understand where Joel was coming from...he didn't want to lose another daughter, but the ominous music playing during his shooting really gave the feeling that this will have severe consequences. I also don't think it's fair for Joel to lie to Ellie like he did, but again, I understand where he is coming from. I feel mixed feelings-nothing is simply right or wrong. Sorry for the rant-I had so many thoughts, thanks for reading. Looking forward to seeing Bella and Pedro bonding together more for the upcoming awards circuit (assuming TLOU is nominated), and I can't wait for Season 2. Bravo!
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Grandma here. Not a gamer. Absolutely LOVED this episode! (Really just loved every episode, but this one was so powerful as Joels love for Ellie is so clear now. She is not cargo to be delivered. And no matter how much of a killing machine he has had to be, he is deeply loving and caring.)
My god this was an emotional episode seeing the opening with Ashley Johnson's Anna opening the episode gave me chills. It's the passing of the torch from the OG Ellie to the actress who is playing Ellie in the show. Ashley in those 5 to maybe 10 minutes powerful performance and knocked it out of the park.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@jonmartin1167 Would a vaccine save this world? How many would even take it? Look at how many in just the USA refused a vaccine. People are the biggest threat in THOU, not infected, and a vaccine wouldn't change that...
@@mst3KGf except not every parent is a downright killing machine like Joel is, so while I have no doubt almost everyone would try to stop it, I think most would just die trying.
@@salomaogomes7311 Obviously, yes, most parents are not capable of going all Liam Neeson to rescue their kids. But the desire to do so is definitely there. There is no limit a parent won't go to in order to protect their child.
It's also interesting considering Anna never wrote a letter to Ellie (I'm still watching ep so idk if there's a letter at all or what's changed) so that means Marlene wrote the letter to potentially manipulate Ellie into sacrificing herself for the cure
To be honest, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Maybe you weren't paying attention or something because there was at least 15 minutes of explanation of how she is immune and the game also left it very ambiguous how she was immune so idk why you're so pressed about it
@@minafrota6124 You may have missed it but Anna said to Marlene before she asked Marlene to take Ellie. That I cut the cord before I was bit and she did not. Ellie still had the cord attached when Anna realized she got bit and then cut the cord a few seconds later. My assumption is that within those few seconds the Cordyceps wasn’t able to move into Ellie fast enough which caused it to think that Ellie was already infected I don’t know the science on how that happens. Maybe the way the virus transmits from bite to controlling its host, is it has certain properties that have to grow on the brain for the process to finish. In Ellie’s case it only got a small part in her and technically was immune at birth. Marlene says to Joel in the hospital scene that Ellie has had it since birth. If you watched carefully and didn’t talk or get distracted you would’ve seen that. Honestly people who didn’t play the game probably won’t understand any of what is being said anyway. But that is what I saw in the episode.
In the game with Anna’s letter it was kinda hinted that she was bitten when she had Ellie and that would’ve given Ellie her immunity but it was nice to see it and confirm that theory that a few of us had since 2013.
To be honest, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 “Worse finale ever!” You don’t know shit about filmmaking and writing. This is sci fi show, there’s no logical or realistic explanation, the game never made it clear or tried to because it doesn’t need to. At least in the show they expanded on it and show it, in the game it was a letter that 9/10 people miss it and don’t even understand it if they read it. Anna’s got infected by the Stalker and that made Ellie develop an immunity, that’s it, we don’t need a scientific explanation. And like the other person said, don’t watch it, we don’t care, those that have more knowledge than you knows how to appreciate this show and how amazing it is.
@@chrischika7026 Not really, the whole basis of the unjustified thought is that the cure would have 100% worked. Except if you take the game as reference, Anderson wasn't even a certified doctor when cordyceps broke out, he was a student. Even assuming he taught himself the multiple fields he would need to develop a vaccine or a cure, we are to believe that a single man is gonna achieve what every other researcher that survived failed while using a really doubtful procedure? Killing Ellie should be the last thing to try, I can think of 10 different things that they should do before even considering it. Including filtering her blood to evidence the famous messengers they present as the explanation in the series, if that works, nice, just ask her "do you prefer to die or let us harvest a few month old fetus that's for all intents and purpose the same?" while they harvest some of her blood for an immediate cure. Even if they consider killing her there is still more; had they simply told Ellie about it, she would have agreed and talked to Joel, no one dies but her, still no cure, Joel is pissed off at himself for letting them do it, the end.
@@chrischika7026 and what do you reckon would happen if Ellie knew and talked about it with Joel? He wouldn't kill everyone. The fireflies are the ones that fucked up, not Joel. They believe a doctor that has basically 0 chance to make a cure and they didn't let Ellie choose. He made it for the wrong reasons but Joel absolutely made the right choice.
I think Bella’s comment was more for new viewers, sure we’re used to the ending but Joel’s choice to basically doom the world for his daughter is still a very bold choice even in the original story. This is the episode where Joel from almost every other characters point of view becomes the villain of this world basically. Think about it, Marlene and the fireflies he killed were actually trying to save the world and in their logic, spare Ellie the fear and pain of basically committing suicide.
Yea but I doubt the Hobo Terrorists that could barely handle staying alive had the means to make any cure. They’d be better off sending Ellie to FEDRA and the Government
that's not the real dichotomy tho "doom the world" vs "save the world", there is 0 certainty that the "cure" would actually work, and even if it did, the Fireflies are way too small a group to implement it on any big scale, most likely it would end up just being monopolised in one way or another.
@@8jimmyjazzalso one a the few scientists that was on in episode two outright said there was no cure and to bomb Jakarta, most people seem to forget that for some reason.
The giraffe moment in the game and show was beautiful. That scene was so beautiful in the game and show because it’s a nice break from the violence and it forces you to take a deep breath and take in the nice scenery. It’s also a nice symbolization of there being a fraction of hope and humanity in the world. It’s also super rewarding.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Also the final Joel and Ellie conversation at the end where Ellie expresses her survivor’s guilt and everyone she’s lost and Joel telling her to keep finding something to fight for and Joel lying to Ellie about what he said about the fireflies was true is still imo one of the best powerful endings in a video game. It’s powerful and when Ellie makes Joel swear to her on if he’s telling her the truth about the fireflies and Joel says I swear with a very serious tone and Ellie just has that unsure unconvinced look on her face because she knows deep down that Joel was lying but she just says ok because she’s painfully accepted Joel’s false truth. My god what an ending! Chef’s kiss! Pedro and Bella killed this scene just like how Troy and Ashley did it in the first game’s ending.
Ellie knows deep down what Joel's saying isn't the truth, but she goes along with it because she loves him and trusts him. If she isn't going to save the world, she doesn't want to lose the one thing she's gotten out of her journey, which is her surrogate father. So she accepts it. But of course, this sets up a plot bomb that will detonate down the road.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@mst3KGfthe idea of her saving the world was a little far fetched though, with how spread out everything is and how many horrible factions of people that are out there
@@jaysax7381 Indeed. Even if the Fireflies managed to make a vaccine (which I highly doubt), you have to wonder how they'd actually distribute it. A vaccine is useless if you can't get it to the people who need it and the Fireflies seem like a bunch of bumblers barely more competent than the People's Front of Judea in "Monty Python's Life of Brian." Ellie's death could be absolutely useless given who had her.
@@minafrota6124 seriously, you are out of your mind. Are you going to every video on RUclips and saying this exact same thing over and over again!?!? Get a life for goodness sakes 🤣🤣🤣
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
This show suck. Started good but idk what these last episodes are. I mean there are just the same thing that happens In the game but boring. Def not watching season 2. Spoiler Joel dies everyone.
That opening was crushing to watch. This show, the series was amazing. Joel’s loss of humanity was restored while all of humanity was at stake. He couldn’t let her die. Ellie it seems wasn’t given a choice at the same time Joel was going to be robbed of the last piece of humanity he has left. The story was just as deep as the game was and the totality of the show enriched the game even more.
For me here's what sets this show apart from similar shows: restraint. It's eerie, intelligent, carefully paced and most importantly it only rarely shows you the infected. This means that when an infected DOES appear, it's impactful AF.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 the mom would've been in the game as dlc similar to left behind but those plans got scraped plus Neil Druckman made this show and helped with the game so I don't see why you hate the ending of the series
@@minafrota6124 Obviously you're a troll, but just to be clear, it made the explanation for her immunity very obvious: Her mother was bitten while giving birth, so Ellie was infected from birth. Since she grew up with that infection without being directly infected, the spores grew in her brain. Since there are already spores there, other spores don't take root. So she's immune.
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 i’ll never understand why you people say you hate something but tune in every week like it’s an GAME ADAPTION, they are gonna follow the game.
Those flashback scenes from the opening of the first two episodes PERFECTLY complements the finale. The main point of those scenes was that a cure is literally impossible. It helps to sell Joel's position and makes it more complex.
a cure isn’t impossible, the scientists at the time couldn’t have predicted that a different breed of the same fungus would exist that could tell the infectious one not to act up. it’s not even a cure per se, it’s just a different type of infection that prevents and reverses symptoms. that said, even though Joel did prevent a perfectly possible cure/vaccine from being cultivated in the form of the mutated fungus, i totally understand his decisions.
I could see it planting that idea in the viewers head. But as an actual argument its kind of weak, the first scene was from a scientist half a century ago operating mostly on hypotheticals. Doctor's of that man's era would still have considered Ellie to have a clinical mental illness because of how she felt about Riley. A lot changes with 50 years of advancement. Meanwhile the scientist in 2003 was operating on only existing knowledge of something that clearly no longer entirely aligns with said knowledge. From the point of view of stopping the outbreak she was correct that there was nothing they could do, but that doesn't automatically mean they could never find an answer. While I can see those scenes narratively influencing an audience member more towards Joel's position as a story telling trick, I can't see either of them as actually compelling arguments against Marlene's. We've found cures and treatments for previously thought to be untreatable diseases many times through our history as a species.
@@troikas3353Marlene’s goal still falls short when it comes to producing and testing the vaccine. Even if they were able to create something viable how are they realistically going to test it? What if it didn’t work? What if they needed more specimen and couldn’t use Ellie’s anymore? What if they ran into a faction of bandits and were murdered ? There’s so much room for air that I struggle to find the worth in sacrificing Ellie for it.
@@jaysax7381 Conversely she could have died on the road by to Tommy's after the slaughter and none of this would have mattered. Something I think was intentionally reflected in the end of Sam and Henry's story. Ultimately on a character level I think the only moral answer to the problem is that this choice should be Ellie's alone.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 how is no one realizing the last 4 episodes were boring??? Its like this show was made purely for fans of the video game. this show dropped the zombie action and just became a boring drama the second half of the season
@@minafrota6124 Did you even watch the episode? We see Ellie’s mom LITERALLY start turning within the first 10 minutes of the episode so she obviously wasn’t immune…
Honestly, I don't care if there's changes to the way characters look from the game to this show, or even the certain changes to some of the plot. This show, Pedro and Belle deserve to AT LEAST be nominated for this!
I imagine if they'd gotten actors that looked as close to the game as possible, chances are the acting wouldn't be at the outstanding level this show put out. So glad we got the performances we did.
It never bothered me becuase they still resemble them and have the essence of the chsracters. I think Maria was the only one I wasn't completely on board with because even her performance didn't feel like Maria - Also wasn't a fan of the costuming for her actress, but it's barely a nitpick tbh
bella wasn't talking about gamers or accuracy of the scenes, they were referring to the subject matter of this ending as a discussion amongst audiences. This happened with gamers when the game released, therefor it'll also happen with tv viewers.
Andrew, the ending as written is the divisive part. This was a HUGE controversy back when the first game came out. It’s died down more over time as people have gotten older and more gamers became parents, but a LOT of people hated Joel’s choice at the end and that they were forced to play as him. I remember one of my friends arguing with me strongly why Joel was a monster who made the wrong choice 😂
It's amazing how much being a parent or acting as a parental figure in some way can change someone's perspectives. I imagine there are fans of the game who originally thought "Joel, you monster, how can you damn the whole world like that?!" are now going, "Yeah, that's it, Joel, kill all those fuckers to rescue your baby girl!"
On a character level to me the core issue seems like it should be that this isn't Joel's choice to make to begin with, nor is it Marlene's. Only Ellie herself should be the one to decide.
@@lovinlorne I had utter contempt for Marlene at that point. Excuse me, you dumped Ellie in FEDRA's hands and then stayed away for all of her life, to the point that she had no idea who you were and you had to introduce herself to her in the first episode. Joel protected her for the better part of a year and guided her across half the country. I'd say he has more right to make a parental decision on her behalf than you do.
I think Joel's choice was "wrong" ethically but that's always been the point. The world isn't perfect and it is not dictated by the cold ethical guidelines written by some philosopher locked in his room. The world is made of humans, and Joel's decision was a human decision, it was a father's decision. If anything, it's more realistic that way
I said it before that there were 2 things I wanted to see for this episode, the giraffe scene, and the satisfaction of dead fireflies. They did not disappoint.
For TV the montage was the right thing to do that’s all it needed to be really. But for the game it plays better because as the player you feel what Joel’s feeling kinda helpless and it takes all your strength as the player to fight off those firefly’s to get to Ellie. Has more weight in the game but for tv it works to show it as a montage.
I mean, in the game you can choose to just throw molotovs at these guys and watch them burn, I think that's way more brutal lmao You can also kill the nurses if you want, which Joel didn't on the show. It felt more brutal on the show because it's real people that you're seeing, it's not a game. But they did a great job with the montage.
It’s heavily implied in the game that Joel contemplated suicide. I thought it made so much sense for him to verbalize it in the show in order to basically end it by telling Ellie how much he loved her.
I think what got me was hearing Joel talk about how he nearly took his own life, and then not long after we got the giraffe scene. I think the culmination of all that got me where he goes from talking bout his sorrow about not wanting to go on, gets attached to Ellie, and then see him happy that she's having her moment of happiness. Give them Emmies now
An exact recreation. Might be the most similar episode to the game. They added a couple things and cut the infected action as usual, but it is a perfect recreation otherwise. Love the inclusion of the suicide attempt and “it wasn’t time that did it”. That was as good of an adaptation as we could have hoped for. If they released an extended version with some added infected fights it would be absolutely perfect. But I’m so happy with it as it. Bring on season 2!
I also really loved how Joel did save the world at the end in a way. His world was Ellie. Joel realized if the world believed killing an innocent 14 year old girl is the key to saving humanity, then it’s not a world worth saving. He lost his baby girl Sarah once and he was given another chance to save another baby girl in this case Ellie and he was not gonna waste his chance to start his life over again with his baby girl the right way even if how he achieved that chance was brutal.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 her mom was not immune? Did you not see her starting to turn as Marlene found her? They even say that she’s starting to turn in the behind the scenes.
@@minafrota6124 your comment spammed multitude of times literally says "What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed on the immunity to her" so there Ellie mom was about to turn hence why Ellie didn't and she's immune plus your spammed comments make it look like you asked
Ellie's responses to Joel talking about Sarah is so real for people who have relationships with their fathers where you know how conflicted they are and when they finally open up, all you can do is just encourage them to keep going and say what they want to hear
The scene where Joel tells Elle he shot himself was filmed behind my building in Calgary. I watched that being filmed from my balcony!!! Little did I know how HUGE this was gunna be! And how much I would love it haha wish I played the game
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Funny how Laura Bailey (Abby) played one the nurses here, and also one the nurses in the game (and also a lot of npcs in the first game) in the exact same scene Side note: also as a critical role fan too, having Ashley and Laura in this episode makes me so happy
They made Joel’s rampage feel a lot more like the heinous act we think of it as then it did in the game and you can tell just how much it’s affecting him to make that bold choice. That and the implied Joel unaliving himself hit me out of nowhere. Pedro and Bella need academy awards ASAP.
Anderson wasn't even a doctor when the apocalypse happened and he actually ran very little experiments before deciding that killing Ellie was the thing to do. He looks to me like a delusional man wanting to save the world.
For gamers I think they will love this episode 10/10 because it's exactly like the game. But for new viewers it could be divisive because Joel's decision can seem selfish that he would want to save Ellie over providing a cure for the entire world and he lied about it. Now obviously it was out of love and trying to protect Ellie, but it still can seem selfish.
Huge parallel I really loved was the Fireflies and Fedra being compared again - in that they both were going to kill a child but do it kindly. With the Zombie from ep 1 and Ellie not knowing she was going to die here.
GOD that "Time didn't do it." line followed by his misty-eyed gaze at Ellie just breaks my heart. Also I LOVED seeing Ashley Johnson in this episode but I couldn't separate her voice from Ellies in the game 😭😭 It's so distinct.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Nice near-perfect 3:2 polyrhythm with your claps there at 23:07!! That really caught me off guard haha. Great reaction guys! Has been great tuning in each week after the episode.
Also the call back to episode 6 when Joel tells Ellie that she deserves a choice. Here it wasn't just Marlene not giving her a choice, Joel doesn't either. I only played a few hours of the game because the infected just creeped me the hell out. I'm so so glad that I got to experience the story this way. What an amazing show. Forget being a great adaptation. It's one of the best shows I've seen. Ever! Bravo to Craig Maizin, Neil Druckmann, Pedro, Bellie, and all the cast and crew who worked on it!
One little detail I truly adored is the fact that Anne begs Marlene to get Ellie to a loving home that would take care of her, and without trying Marlene did just that. She handed over Ellie to Joel who is the one person that could truly love Ellie the most and care for her the best. Anne's dying wish happened even if Marlene dropped Ellie off at Fedra.
I think when Bella said it would be a divisive episode she was referring to the decision and moral dilemma people would go through when it comes to Joel saving Ellie instead of letting them complete the procedure. People would be divisive about his choice not that it would be different from the game.
This show has been amazing, great finale. Ive never played the game, and i fully understand Joel’s decision to save Ellie, but it still felt almost like he kidnaps her at the end, like he keeps the truth from her for his own benefit, not hers
Never played the game. So seeing Ashley Johnson after watching her and her career for so long, brought me to tears. Im so happy whenever a not so well known actress/actor gets recognition finally! It happened to Florence Pugh, Jessica Chastain, Michael B Jordan, and so much more but those 3 and Ashley i’ve followed for so long ❤
This is one of the best episodes in TV history, the iconic hospital scene couldn't have been more emotional than it was here. Once Joel goes on the rampage, the score along with the echoes of gunshots in the background and the dead stare of Joel, shows so much into his psyche. He already lost one daughter and losing another, who healed his original loss, might push him into the state he was in before. Pedro killed it in this episode. This show deserves every Emmy award.
I wonder if Elli is immune because she was initially infected at the same time her mother was- as she was still attached via umbilical cord when her mother was bitten. Maybe the stem cells in the cord fought off the infection making her immune...
I really like this theory! I always hate when someone is immune and it's just explained like "they're just special y'know". This definitely makes actual sense
But it's also a way to replicate Ellie. Which is huge. Because that means she is not the last hope. They could create thousands of babies, and either choose to focus on creating an immune new generation or murdering a bunch of babies. Either is likely, knowing their way of thinking.
Can you block minafrota6124?, they've been shitposting on your reactions and creating a very negative space for your subscribers for weeks. Enough is enough. As people who enjoy your content, we don't deserve to be insulted for liking this show.
Ashley Johnson also voiced Terra in Teen Titans and appeared as the waitress in Marvel's Avengers (2012) who compliments Steve Rogers artwork and of course gets saved by Steve Rogers again during the Chitauri invasion.
@@mst3KGf Her debut was in Lionheart playing Jean Claude Van Damme's onscreen niece. Of course she was the youngest sibling in Growing Pains. She also played Mel Gibson's onscreen daughter in "What Women Want".
She had a few more scenes but they were cut. They’re available to view as deleted scenes. I think she was supposed to have a larger role going forward in the MCU following the avengers in 2012 but it didn’t work out.
Ashley Johnson! Ellie’s knife. Marlene best friends with Ellie’s mom. Damn drs and fireflies. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Covering baby Ellie ears was purely because gunshots are ridiculously loud and a newborn baby is very fragile--you don't know if the high decibel will cause permanent ear damage. Joel is partially deaf in one ear because he fired a gun next to his head when he tried to off himself.
They did an amazing job both keeping things accurate and adding/removing things from the games. The way Pedro and Bella were able to basically be spot on with the games Joel and Ellie but slightly differ which made it their own was also incredible
Perhaps having more infected in the next seasons and having them be more impactful will show the ramifications of Joel’s choice, maybe just an optimistic view towards how they can take the show to even greater heights. Thanks for all the reactions for this season guys, can’t wait for more! 😊
He cleaned that hospital tf up. But was he justified? Her sacrifice could’ve saved millions. Or even billions. While I understand why he did it, I think he made the morally wrong decision.
@jesserochon3103 nah, Fireflies aren't liked by a lot of people, most people aren't going to trust a cure anyway, it's usually shoot first and loot after for most places
@Jesse Rochon Fireflies get slaughtered by a single father on a war path, failed at every QZ we see, at the capitol building, etc. but the audience and Joel is expected to believe that they would have managed to formulate a cure and deliver it across the nation... Will never understand how people think Joel did the wrong thing. He did his job as a father, the fireflies always failed their job. Nuff said
@@jesserochon3103 the cure was not 100% guaranteed💀This is a society with very little resources what makes u think it would’ve found the cure and if so how would they get the resources to do so.
It's definitely a morally questioning ending for the ones who didn't play the game, which by the way Bella Ramsey is one of them so I can see why she would have said it's decisive.
I love the title of this episode when I first saw the first episodes title and learnt the firefly catchphrase I had a feeling that episode 9 would be titled with the remaining end of the quote
48:03 In the game, while exploring in the hunter hotel in Pittsburgh, there is an optional dialogue sequence wherein Joel and Ellie come across a couple (who are now corpses) sitting in a bathtub. Ellie comments, "guess they took the easy way out," and Joel responds, "it ain't easy."
Ashley brought Ellie to life with her incredible acting in the games and now she's literally bringing her into the world as her mother. I just think thats super cool.
I feel like every one of these episodes is essentially an observational examination of this last choice. 1. Is the ideal lost 2. Is the installation of hope for more spurred by the self sacrifice 3. Is the personalization of that hope, the reduction to ur person, and what it means to have purpose. And surviving till u find a new reason to live. 4. Henry and Sam are the parallel. The question of what will u do for that purpose, does it make u a good or a bad guy? 5. The idea of family, an imagining of the reimagined world, the questioning of whether he is worthy of being her protector or the right person. 6. The two way protection/the two way investment/the chosen family 7. The personification of the pain in the past that makes her vaccine purpose necessary… 8. The purely evil do it for you contrast. Setting up the Henry and Sam bad vs true bad that brews in Joel. 9. The choice driven solely by the chase of his ideal rediscovered.
Ashley Johnson did amazing in that opening scene even though I kept saying she looks and sounds just like Ellie. I love how they shot that hospital scene it really gave the tv audience who didn’t play the game that same feeling of us who did which is did Joel really do the right thing even though we know why he did it.
I love how this episode informs us more about Joel’s decision by showing us that he could never make the sacrifice by not only giving us the story of his scar, but also showing us how Marlene was willing to make the sacrifice. While I am a little upset they didn’t put in the last infected sequence from the game and the scene where Joel is carrying Ellie through the hospital while all of the firefly soldiers are chasing them, everything they did do in the episode was perfect
I was also expecting some twist after seeing Bella say this episode was divisive. Now, I assume they were saying that in reference to people who didn't play the game. Also, I love how they explicitly showed that Joel felt fine killing the firefly who was surrendering with his hands up, but not the two other nurses in the operating room. In an expected story, you'd think that Joel was in a blind, "No survivors, no witnesses," rampage. But he was aware of every life he was taking, and STILL recognized that medical professionals are not the ones to take in this current world.
It wasn’t that they were medical professionals. If that were so he wouldn’t have killed the surgeon, but he did because he stood in his path to Ellie. He held a weapon, he’s a threat, boom. The two nurses didn’t have anything to threaten him with, so he just didn’t think about them
🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️ In time-stamp 24:10.... I think what Bella meant was she thinks it would be MORALLY divisive for those who haven't played the game and contemplated what actions they would take if in the same circumstances. I could be wrong but that was my take on what she said. Great reaction guys, thank you!!
The ending reminds me of a very valid point: Neither Joel nor the Fireflies gave Ellie a choice. The Fireflies were gonna operate on her without telling her she would die. And Joel lied to her after he saved her. Ellie was definitely determined to see the whole thing through. She was more than willing to help humanity find a cure. If the Fireflies had actually talked to her, she would have likely accepted it. Joel could have even been the one to explain it to her. Joel wasn't in the wrong for saving Ellie's life. The Fireflies weren't in the wrong for trying to find a cure. But if they had listened to her instead of choosing for her, the whole thing could have gone in a different direction.
They fucking nailed it. I'm blown away by this finale and season 1 is officially a masterpiece of tv imo. Now begins the painfully long wait for season 2.
I think when Bella said divisive she was referring to 2 schools of thought (yeah, Star Trek)... the needs of the many vs. the needs of the 1. Joel chose the needs of the 1 (Ellie) over the needs of the many (all of humanity). Divisive also that Joel lied to her at the end and she may know he lied.
(implies stuff about season 2 predictions) Ellie's mom lied about the umbilical cord to take a chance on life, I think that's gonna be a big point for season 2 based on the ending of the second game
What an amazing triumph in adapting a game to live action and has become so much more than that. As some one who played the game multiple times and platinum it twice I understand when gamers feel there wasn’t enough infected but the game was never really about that. Mazin and Druckmann really hit a home run with this.
Before being cast as Abby, Laura Bailey already did play a nurse in the operating room, so she actually reprised her role the same as Merle Dandridge did.
No one is talking about Merle Dandridge, which is sad. She's such a great actress. She played Zoe on Nikita, which is also a great show. Her role was so short on that show, though. She gives these really short powerful performances. More recently she plays a preacher's daughter on Green Leaf. I think it's the longest role she's had on a tv show and she does a great job. She's such an underrated actress.
IMO Joel in the show is almost more tragic because he does go back to his old self when he's with Ellie. Ellie had said Joel has an asshole voice but once he comes to terms with how much he cares for Ellie his tone of voice when speaking to her is like the first episode pre-outbreak, even the way he stands and carries himself. Joel in the game opens up to Ellie the same way by talking about Sarah too but Pedro really played the two sides of Joel with more contrast. If you watch when he first met Ellie in that hallway then watch him talking to her about Sarah this episode he's two completely different people.
24:35 Bella was talking to ppl who didn’t already know the ending of Part 1, cause ppl have been debating Joel’s actions since 2013. As if what the fireflies were about to do without consent, was any less debatable.
I think the reason we all have felt identified with The Last of Us and the reason the videogame means so much for a lot of people is that there are always times where we feel without purpose or hopeless about the world we live in, there's always something or someone who changes our minds, something that's actually worth living for or someone we want to spent the rest of our lives with, the same way Bill felt about Frank in ep. 3 or the same way Joel sees Ellie. To me, this show was a beautiful reminder of why TLOU is my favorite videogame of all time, and now this is one of my favorite shows of all time. Can't wait to see how Season 2 goes! :')
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
I know there's some controversy surrounding this show, but honestly, it's one of the best freaking video game adaptions I've ever seen personally. It annoys me when people hate just to hate. Both games were top tier, and after the first season of this show, I'm dying to see the next one.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
Great episode. Great season. What they set up with the changes I think will make for a better second season with a few tweaks. Also, great strategic use of the phrasing "I'm sorry" throughout. I really hope next season we get Ellie's side of that hospital stay.
They started filming season 1 last year or late 2021 I believe so we might not see season 2 until 2025 I’m hoping January 2024 but they haven’t even announced filming yet.
The cool thing about Ashley Johnson being Ellie's mother is she very perfect for that role and a amazing voice actor. She also left Ellie her switch blade and jacket that she is using now. If you have time could you guys react to this amazing crime-drama, thriller action series that Jaimie Alexander, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Sullivan Stapleton and Ashley Johnson called Blindspot created by Martin Gero from the Stargate TV Series Universe and produced by Greg Berlanti. It will definitely keep you guessing til the end.
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It was more beautiful than the game when he said it was not time that healed him, and more uncomfortable than the game when he kept comparing Ellie to Sara. And it was perfect.
“Time heals all wounds, right?”
“Time didn’t do it”
😢😢.
Seriously, this show hit me right in the feels EVERY single time.
Yes, that really hit home. The expressions on Joel and Ellie's faces said all. Especially Ellie, because that one line from Joel showed everything about how much he loves her. For an orphan girl who's never had a parent, that means everything.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 tremendo pelotudo, entonces no la veas!!
@@minafrota6124 this is a bot guys.
they’re really good at kicking us in the stomach aren’t they? it’s so weird to know what’s coming in the story and it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t lessen the hurt even a little bit when it happens
When Bella said the ending would divide fans I'm pretty sure she's referring to fans of the show that don't already know how it ends.
Exactly. The "divisive" ending is contemplating whether or not Joel did the right thing.
@All The Bananas that actually makes sense. Not gonna lie, I initially felt a little cheated after watching this and finding nothing that would be considered 'Divisive' to me. Sure, the episode was on the short side but I still loved it
For sure. I remember the game was quite divisive when it came out
@@allthebananas9232 He didn't, that's the whole point. He took Ellie's choice and then lied to her.
@@anitaremenarova6662 She didn't make a choice. Had Marlene such confidence, she could have told Ellie, she would have talked to Joel and he wouldn't have killed anyone.
Also, they did very little tests on Ellie and there was scientifically many things to do before killing your only immune patient. The path they took was medically really unwise and stupid. We've had patients immune to deadly diseases for centuries with still no cure and thousands of labs working on them. We have known for decades that 1% of people are immune to HIV yet there is still no cure. It's a trolley dilemna except it's not kill one person to save a few hundred thousands, it's kill 1 person for basically 0% chance to save anyone. I'd rather believe that eating Ellie's flesh gives immunity than a single doctor can save the world with voodoo medicine. Their whole basis of reasoning is "her mother told us Ellie was born before she got bitten". To me the doctor had a savior delusion.
Discounting the fact he wasn't even a doctor, he was at best still a student during the cordyceps breakout based on his age.
I love that Ashley is literally shown giving birth to Ellie, just as she "gave birth" to the character herself.
Passing the torch!
Right? 😭 Had me SOBBING
@@Nani.101 More like Passing the cordyceps 💀
Perfect casting
@@outlaw._.lazines 😀😀😀😀
The suicide bit made me extra sad because Pedro Pascals mom died that way. Thats why he uses the name Pascal, for her
😢
omg whaaatt?!! thats so sad :(
Wait, really?
I . . . did not know that
Im so sorry for pedro
For me, I don’t think it’s a question of whether Joel made the right decision or not, it’s that neither he NOR Marlene gave Ellie the choice to make her own, informed choice. They both took the decision away from her - in different ways, but still away from her - by lying to her.
EDIT: Whoops, wrote my comment before I got to the part where Greg says the same thing 😅 But yes, agree - they should have let her decide.
At the same time, they needed to give her a bit first. Like Marlene should have told Joel and then Joel could have admitted to Ellie going through so much trauma that asking her this is asking a suicidal teenager if they’d like to die and she needed/deserved time to heal mentally before being asked to sacrifice herself for something that is still not a guarantee.
It’s such a brilliant dilemma. Of course everyone should have the right to make such a decision. But how reliable is the choice of a traumatized child? They constructed it so it was impossible to answer
@@WoodlandT I agree in some respects, but with what Ellie had just gone through with David, and the idea that he wanted to strip her of her agency - not to mention everything else he wanted to do to her **shudders** - it hits even harder that neither Marlene nor Joel gave her a choice either. Plus, yes, I know she’s still a child, but a child that has gone through hell and back, and shouldn’t that afford her the respect and responsibility to make her own choices? But like you said, a brilliant dilemma.
The part where Joel said he was ready to end himself was important. If they had asked Ellie, she might have said she was ready for it. But the truth is she is carrying a lot of survivor's guilt which could be influencing her decision. In his mind, he's just buying her time until she finds that something worth living for.
My god this was such an emotional episode (I've never played the game). A few things if I may:
-I found Ellie's sorrow so sad to see-clearly the trauma from David affected her. I found Ellie laughing feeding the giraffe moving, as interacting with animals really is healing for people who've experienced trauma.
-Hearing Joel admit he attempted to take his own life made me super emotional, not only seeing Joel say he's happy he failed with tears in his eyes, but I imagine it was very emotional for Pedro, knowing that he lost his mom to suicide back when he was younger.
-The ominous music playing during Joel's rampage was so eerie....
-Consensus on Joel's decision: I totally understand where Joel was coming from...he didn't want to lose another daughter, but the ominous music playing during his shooting really gave the feeling that this will have severe consequences. I also don't think it's fair for Joel to lie to Ellie like he did, but again, I understand where he is coming from. I feel mixed feelings-nothing is simply right or wrong.
Sorry for the rant-I had so many thoughts, thanks for reading. Looking forward to seeing Bella and Pedro bonding together more for the upcoming awards circuit (assuming TLOU is nominated), and I can't wait for Season 2. Bravo!
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 did u play the game?
@@pencil6965 Don’t bother, they’re a bot.
If you enjoyed the emotional rollercoaster season 1 was. Just wait season 2 is going to bring the house down and emotion will be high
@@pencil6965 Don't give the weirdo attention
10/10 ending, they did it so well. Plus they put Laura Bailey in as one of the nurses. God this episode & series was beautiful
Holy shit really
Omg thanks for letting me I didn’t notice
Really ? She was a voice of the nurses in the game too and of course Abby
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 ok
Grandma here. Not a gamer. Absolutely LOVED this episode! (Really just loved every episode, but this one was so powerful as Joels love for Ellie is so clear now. She is not cargo to be delivered. And no matter how much of a killing machine he has had to be, he is deeply loving and caring.)
My god this was an emotional episode seeing the opening with Ashley Johnson's Anna opening the episode gave me chills. It's the passing of the torch from the OG Ellie to the actress who is playing Ellie in the show. Ashley in those 5 to maybe 10 minutes powerful performance and knocked it out of the park.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
She was outstanding
@@minafrota6124 People like you should stay in your own lane & mind your own business if you’re gonna start negativity like this.
@@minafrota6124 you have a bad day?
@@Hokie11 Naw, they have a bad life.
As a parent, this hits hard. How far you would go for your child. Such a hard decision and I'd go to unimaginable lengths to keep my kid safe.
Hit hard. Parent of a 13 year old son. I get it would save the world but this kid is my world resonates.
@@jonmartin1167 Would a vaccine save this world? How many would even take it? Look at how many in just the USA refused a vaccine. People are the biggest threat in THOU, not infected, and a vaccine wouldn't change that...
@@jonmartin1167 There is no parent who wouldn't do what Joel did. If you have a choice between your child and the world, your child wins every time.
@@mst3KGf except not every parent is a downright killing machine like Joel is, so while I have no doubt almost everyone would try to stop it, I think most would just die trying.
@@salomaogomes7311 Obviously, yes, most parents are not capable of going all Liam Neeson to rescue their kids. But the desire to do so is definitely there. There is no limit a parent won't go to in order to protect their child.
I love how Marlene outright tells the guy to cover her ears, and you see that he didn't even try.
It's amazing Ellie doesn't have a hearing problem.
It's also interesting considering Anna never wrote a letter to Ellie (I'm still watching ep so idk if there's a letter at all or what's changed) so that means Marlene wrote the letter to potentially manipulate Ellie into sacrificing herself for the cure
To be honest, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Maybe you weren't paying attention or something because there was at least 15 minutes of explanation of how she is immune and the game also left it very ambiguous how she was immune so idk why you're so pressed about it
@@minafrota6124 You may have missed it but Anna said to Marlene before she asked Marlene to take Ellie. That I cut the cord before I was bit and she did not. Ellie still had the cord attached when Anna realized she got bit and then cut the cord a few seconds later. My assumption is that within those few seconds the Cordyceps wasn’t able to move into Ellie fast enough which caused it to think that Ellie was already infected I don’t know the science on how that happens. Maybe the way the virus transmits from bite to controlling its host, is it has certain properties that have to grow on the brain for the process to finish. In Ellie’s case it only got a small part in her and technically was immune at birth. Marlene says to Joel in the hospital scene that Ellie has had it since birth. If you watched carefully and didn’t talk or get distracted you would’ve seen that. Honestly people who didn’t play the game probably won’t understand any of what is being said anyway. But that is what I saw in the episode.
Facts.
In the game with Anna’s letter it was kinda hinted that she was bitten when she had Ellie and that would’ve given Ellie her immunity but it was nice to see it and confirm that theory that a few of us had since 2013.
To be honest, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Dude shut up! And stop copying and pasting the same fucking comment everywhere
@@minafrota6124 no one cares dipshit
@@minafrota6124 literally nothing you say is gonna do anything. Don't watch it. Not gonna hurt any ratings
@@minafrota6124 “Worse finale ever!” You don’t know shit about filmmaking and writing. This is sci fi show, there’s no logical or realistic explanation, the game never made it clear or tried to because it doesn’t need to. At least in the show they expanded on it and show it, in the game it was a letter that 9/10 people miss it and don’t even understand it if they read it. Anna’s got infected by the Stalker and that made Ellie develop an immunity, that’s it, we don’t need a scientific explanation. And like the other person said, don’t watch it, we don’t care, those that have more knowledge than you knows how to appreciate this show and how amazing it is.
The “divisive” part is just whether or not Joel was justified. People already go at each other’s throats over this from the game😂
the game clearly shows it to be unjustfied through the second game though
@@chrischika7026 Not really, the whole basis of the unjustified thought is that the cure would have 100% worked. Except if you take the game as reference, Anderson wasn't even a certified doctor when cordyceps broke out, he was a student. Even assuming he taught himself the multiple fields he would need to develop a vaccine or a cure, we are to believe that a single man is gonna achieve what every other researcher that survived failed while using a really doubtful procedure? Killing Ellie should be the last thing to try, I can think of 10 different things that they should do before even considering it.
Including filtering her blood to evidence the famous messengers they present as the explanation in the series, if that works, nice, just ask her "do you prefer to die or let us harvest a few month old fetus that's for all intents and purpose the same?" while they harvest some of her blood for an immediate cure.
Even if they consider killing her there is still more; had they simply told Ellie about it, she would have agreed and talked to Joel, no one dies but her, still no cure, Joel is pissed off at himself for letting them do it, the end.
@@ildarion3367 yeah but everyone knew what ellie would want so that is irrevelant. joel even knew its litterally shown in this video
@@chrischika7026 and what do you reckon would happen if Ellie knew and talked about it with Joel? He wouldn't kill everyone.
The fireflies are the ones that fucked up, not Joel. They believe a doctor that has basically 0 chance to make a cure and they didn't let Ellie choose. He made it for the wrong reasons but Joel absolutely made the right choice.
@@ildarion3367 they already knew her choice and in part 2 her choice was clear
I think Bella’s comment was more for new viewers, sure we’re used to the ending but Joel’s choice to basically doom the world for his daughter is still a very bold choice even in the original story. This is the episode where Joel from almost every other characters point of view becomes the villain of this world basically. Think about it, Marlene and the fireflies he killed were actually trying to save the world and in their logic, spare Ellie the fear and pain of basically committing suicide.
Yea but I doubt the Hobo Terrorists that could barely handle staying alive had the means to make any cure. They’d be better off sending Ellie to FEDRA and the Government
that's not the real dichotomy tho "doom the world" vs "save the world", there is 0 certainty that the "cure" would actually work, and even if it did, the Fireflies are way too small a group to implement it on any big scale, most likely it would end up just being monopolised in one way or another.
@@8jimmyjazzalso one a the few scientists that was on in episode two outright said there was no cure and to bomb Jakarta, most people seem to forget that for some reason.
The giraffe moment in the game and show was beautiful. That scene was so beautiful in the game and show because it’s a nice break from the violence and it forces you to take a deep breath and take in the nice scenery. It’s also a nice symbolization of there being a fraction of hope and humanity in the world. It’s also super rewarding.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 bruh quit copying and pasting this exact reply on every single comment nobody wants to hear it
They actually worked with a real live giraffe in the show 🥹
@@minafrota6124 Dude shut up! And stop copying and pasting the same fucking comment everywhere
That giraffe was not real you could tell it was cgi but I can let that go I real giraffe would have been cool though
As a parent seeing poor little newborn Ellie brought be to tears 3 minutes in. God this shows been a wild ride
Also the final Joel and Ellie conversation at the end where Ellie expresses her survivor’s guilt and everyone she’s lost and Joel telling her to keep finding something to fight for and Joel lying to Ellie about what he said about the fireflies was true is still imo one of the best powerful endings in a video game. It’s powerful and when Ellie makes Joel swear to her on if he’s telling her the truth about the fireflies and Joel says I swear with a very serious tone and Ellie just has that unsure unconvinced look on her face because she knows deep down that Joel was lying but she just says ok because she’s painfully accepted Joel’s false truth. My god what an ending! Chef’s kiss! Pedro and Bella killed this scene just like how Troy and Ashley did it in the first game’s ending.
Ellie knows deep down what Joel's saying isn't the truth, but she goes along with it because she loves him and trusts him. If she isn't going to save the world, she doesn't want to lose the one thing she's gotten out of her journey, which is her surrogate father. So she accepts it. But of course, this sets up a plot bomb that will detonate down the road.
Honestly, this was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@mst3KGfthe idea of her saving the world was a little far fetched though, with how spread out everything is and how many horrible factions of people that are out there
@@jaysax7381 Indeed. Even if the Fireflies managed to make a vaccine (which I highly doubt), you have to wonder how they'd actually distribute it. A vaccine is useless if you can't get it to the people who need it and the Fireflies seem like a bunch of bumblers barely more competent than the People's Front of Judea in "Monty Python's Life of Brian." Ellie's death could be absolutely useless given who had her.
@@minafrota6124 seriously, you are out of your mind. Are you going to every video on RUclips and saying this exact same thing over and over again!?!? Get a life for goodness sakes 🤣🤣🤣
Whoever had the controller 🎮 this episode had no hesitation shooting abby's dad... also had it easy with not having to use nail bombs or molotovs
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Don't let the door hit you on your way out
@@minafrota6124 if this was an attempt at trolling……..it was weak.
This show suck. Started good but idk what these last episodes are. I mean there are just the same thing that happens In the game but boring. Def not watching season 2. Spoiler Joel dies everyone.
@@minafrota6124 good grief you are a pathetic loser
That opening was crushing to watch. This show, the series was amazing. Joel’s loss of humanity was restored while all of humanity was at stake. He couldn’t let her die. Ellie it seems wasn’t given a choice at the same time Joel was going to be robbed of the last piece of humanity he has left. The story was just as deep as the game was and the totality of the show enriched the game even more.
For me here's what sets this show apart from similar shows: restraint.
It's eerie, intelligent, carefully paced and most importantly it only rarely shows you the infected. This means that when an infected DOES appear, it's impactful AF.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 the mom would've been in the game as dlc similar to left behind but those plans got scraped plus Neil Druckman made this show and helped with the game so I don't see why you hate the ending of the series
@@minafrota6124 Obviously you're a troll, but just to be clear, it made the explanation for her immunity very obvious: Her mother was bitten while giving birth, so Ellie was infected from birth. Since she grew up with that infection without being directly infected, the spores grew in her brain. Since there are already spores there, other spores don't take root. So she's immune.
@@minafrota6124 your trolling is ass
@@minafrota6124 Get lost Bot. You’re making us grow tired with your b.s.
In one of the behind the scenes Pedro said he calls Bella, Bellie! I think that is where HBO got it from in their tweet.
Pedro calls Bella, Bellie. ❤
I was going say the same, but decided to let the guys have their moment of thinking it’s all due to them. LOL
I don’t want it to be over and I’m absolutely not ready for Season 2 😢
Worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 Aw, you're still butthurt?
@@minafrota6124 ellie is a half breed
@@minafrota6124OH NO how will this series ever recover without ya 😭
@@minafrota6124 i’ll never understand why you people say you hate something but tune in every week like it’s an GAME ADAPTION, they are gonna follow the game.
Those flashback scenes from the opening of the first two episodes PERFECTLY complements the finale. The main point of those scenes was that a cure is literally impossible. It helps to sell Joel's position and makes it more complex.
a cure isn’t impossible, the scientists at the time couldn’t have predicted that a different breed of the same fungus would exist that could tell the infectious one not to act up. it’s not even a cure per se, it’s just a different type of infection that prevents and reverses symptoms. that said, even though Joel did prevent a perfectly possible cure/vaccine from being cultivated in the form of the mutated fungus, i totally understand his decisions.
I could see it planting that idea in the viewers head. But as an actual argument its kind of weak, the first scene was from a scientist half a century ago operating mostly on hypotheticals. Doctor's of that man's era would still have considered Ellie to have a clinical mental illness because of how she felt about Riley. A lot changes with 50 years of advancement. Meanwhile the scientist in 2003 was operating on only existing knowledge of something that clearly no longer entirely aligns with said knowledge. From the point of view of stopping the outbreak she was correct that there was nothing they could do, but that doesn't automatically mean they could never find an answer. While I can see those scenes narratively influencing an audience member more towards Joel's position as a story telling trick, I can't see either of them as actually compelling arguments against Marlene's. We've found cures and treatments for previously thought to be untreatable diseases many times through our history as a species.
@@troikas3353Marlene’s goal still falls short when it comes to producing and testing the vaccine. Even if they were able to create something viable how are they realistically going to test it? What if it didn’t work? What if they needed more specimen and couldn’t use Ellie’s anymore? What if they ran into a faction of bandits and were murdered ? There’s so much room for air that I struggle to find the worth in sacrificing Ellie for it.
@@jaysax7381 Conversely she could have died on the road by to Tommy's after the slaughter and none of this would have mattered. Something I think was intentionally reflected in the end of Sam and Henry's story.
Ultimately on a character level I think the only moral answer to the problem is that this choice should be Ellie's alone.
@@troikas3353 I agree. She should have been told of her ultimate sacrifice and let her decide!
There are scenes in each episode that have made me cry. I was crying throughout this entire episode, start to finish.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 damn, no one cares pessimist
@@minafrota6124 Tell me you're a loser without telling me you're a loser 😂😂😂😂
@@minafrota6124 how is no one realizing the last 4 episodes were boring??? Its like this show was made purely for fans of the video game.
this show dropped the zombie action and just became a boring drama the second half of the season
@@minafrota6124 Did you even watch the episode? We see Ellie’s mom LITERALLY start turning within the first 10 minutes of the episode so she obviously wasn’t immune…
So happy to see Laura Bailey reprise her role from the first game as a nurse!
Probably going to cast someone with a bigger body to play abby but it was a nice little Easter egg there.
@@ryans413why did you even bring up Abby lol
@@619Gotenks because she's the protagonist of the second game?? and will be a main character in season 2
@@619Gotenks because she's literally in the series/game? are you retarded?
@@619GotenksLaura Bailey voice acted abby
Honestly, I don't care if there's changes to the way characters look from the game to this show, or even the certain changes to some of the plot. This show, Pedro and Belle deserve to AT LEAST be nominated for this!
I imagine if they'd gotten actors that looked as close to the game as possible, chances are the acting wouldn't be at the outstanding level this show put out. So glad we got the performances we did.
@@p-forest so true. It would’ve felt like imitation and we all know imitation isn’t flattering lol
It never bothered me becuase they still resemble them and have the essence of the chsracters. I think Maria was the only one I wasn't completely on board with because even her performance didn't feel like Maria - Also wasn't a fan of the costuming for her actress, but it's barely a nitpick tbh
bella wasn't talking about gamers or accuracy of the scenes, they were referring to the subject matter of this ending as a discussion amongst audiences. This happened with gamers when the game released, therefor it'll also happen with tv viewers.
Joel killing fireflies scene giving me massacres vibe than the heroic moments. This ep really show how far you would go for saving your child
Andrew, the ending as written is the divisive part. This was a HUGE controversy back when the first game came out. It’s died down more over time as people have gotten older and more gamers became parents, but a LOT of people hated Joel’s choice at the end and that they were forced to play as him. I remember one of my friends arguing with me strongly why Joel was a monster who made the wrong choice 😂
It's amazing how much being a parent or acting as a parental figure in some way can change someone's perspectives. I imagine there are fans of the game who originally thought "Joel, you monster, how can you damn the whole world like that?!" are now going, "Yeah, that's it, Joel, kill all those fuckers to rescue your baby girl!"
On a character level to me the core issue seems like it should be that this isn't Joel's choice to make to begin with, nor is it Marlene's. Only Ellie herself should be the one to decide.
@@troikas3353- Yup. And Marlene was giving him crap when she was making a unilateral decision as well.
@@lovinlorne I had utter contempt for Marlene at that point. Excuse me, you dumped Ellie in FEDRA's hands and then stayed away for all of her life, to the point that she had no idea who you were and you had to introduce herself to her in the first episode. Joel protected her for the better part of a year and guided her across half the country. I'd say he has more right to make a parental decision on her behalf than you do.
I think Joel's choice was "wrong" ethically but that's always been the point. The world isn't perfect and it is not dictated by the cold ethical guidelines written by some philosopher locked in his room. The world is made of humans, and Joel's decision was a human decision, it was a father's decision. If anything, it's more realistic that way
I said it before that there were 2 things I wanted to see for this episode, the giraffe scene, and the satisfaction of dead fireflies. They did not disappoint.
The whole hospital rampage felt more brutal than in the game
I agree. It made me feel conflicted, which I didn't feel when I played the game.
@@TasteMyRainb0w nah I didn’t I was like go get your girl joel
For TV the montage was the right thing to do that’s all it needed to be really. But for the game it plays better because as the player you feel what Joel’s feeling kinda helpless and it takes all your strength as the player to fight off those firefly’s to get to Ellie. Has more weight in the game but for tv it works to show it as a montage.
@@ryans413 and first play through you are by that point have like no ammo left so its even more desperate and hard
I mean, in the game you can choose to just throw molotovs at these guys and watch them burn, I think that's way more brutal lmao You can also kill the nurses if you want, which Joel didn't on the show. It felt more brutal on the show because it's real people that you're seeing, it's not a game. But they did a great job with the montage.
It’s heavily implied in the game that Joel contemplated suicide. I thought it made so much sense for him to verbalize it in the show in order to basically end it by telling Ellie how much he loved her.
I think what got me was hearing Joel talk about how he nearly took his own life, and then not long after we got the giraffe scene. I think the culmination of all that got me where he goes from talking bout his sorrow about not wanting to go on, gets attached to Ellie, and then see him happy that she's having her moment of happiness.
Give them Emmies now
Yeah Pedro Pascal and bella Ramsey Emmy 🌟
An exact recreation. Might be the most similar episode to the game. They added a couple things and cut the infected action as usual, but it is a perfect recreation otherwise. Love the inclusion of the suicide attempt and “it wasn’t time that did it”. That was as good of an adaptation as we could have hoped for. If they released an extended version with some added infected fights it would be absolutely perfect. But I’m so happy with it as it. Bring on season 2!
Oh and of course I love the Ashley addition in the opening. Perfect. She’s now given birth to Ellie Twice.
Joel did say taking the easy way isn’t easy when talking to Ellie in the game and Ellie responds kinda emotional.
@@Rose-yq5rs I agree that this was alluded to
I also really loved how Joel did save the world at the end in a way. His world was Ellie. Joel realized if the world believed killing an innocent 14 year old girl is the key to saving humanity, then it’s not a world worth saving. He lost his baby girl Sarah once and he was given another chance to save another baby girl in this case Ellie and he was not gonna waste his chance to start his life over again with his baby girl the right way even if how he achieved that chance was brutal.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 her mom was not immune? Did you not see her starting to turn as Marlene found her? They even say that she’s starting to turn in the behind the scenes.
@@pgatdizzle I didn't ask
@@minafrota6124 your comment spammed multitude of times literally says "What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed on the immunity to her" so there Ellie mom was about to turn hence why Ellie didn't and she's immune plus your spammed comments make it look like you asked
@@minafrota6124 I thought I told you to go away pathetic troll
Ellie's responses to Joel talking about Sarah is so real for people who have relationships with their fathers where you know how conflicted they are and when they finally open up, all you can do is just encourage them to keep going and say what they want to hear
The scene where Joel tells Elle he shot himself was filmed behind my building in Calgary. I watched that being filmed from my balcony!!! Little did I know how HUGE this was gunna be! And how much I would love it haha wish I played the game
Im lost for words at how amazing this whole series has been.. it feels like ive gotten to experience the game all over again for the first time
Same! And then all the reactions I watch are like getting to experience each episode again for the first time
The opening scene Joel and Ellie finding the giraffe and Joel shooting his way to the hospital are my top 3 favorite moments such an emotional finale
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 why do u keep copy and pasting your comment🤣 get a life
@@minafrota6124ok? Bad take but go off
@@minafrota6124 Go touch grass
@@minafrota6124
You have zero comprehension skills nigga.
Funny how Laura Bailey (Abby) played one the nurses here, and also one the nurses in the game (and also a lot of npcs in the first game) in the exact same scene
Side note: also as a critical role fan too, having Ashley and Laura in this episode makes me so happy
They made Joel’s rampage feel a lot more like the heinous act we think of it as then it did in the game and you can tell just how much it’s affecting him to make that bold choice. That and the implied Joel unaliving himself hit me out of nowhere. Pedro and Bella need academy awards ASAP.
Anderson wasn't even a doctor when the apocalypse happened and he actually ran very little experiments before deciding that killing Ellie was the thing to do. He looks to me like a delusional man wanting to save the world.
For gamers I think they will love this episode 10/10 because it's exactly like the game. But for new viewers it could be divisive because Joel's decision can seem selfish that he would want to save Ellie over providing a cure for the entire world and he lied about it. Now obviously it was out of love and trying to protect Ellie, but it still can seem selfish.
Huge parallel I really loved was the Fireflies and Fedra being compared again - in that they both were going to kill a child but do it kindly. With the Zombie from ep 1 and Ellie not knowing she was going to die here.
Yes yes yes 1000% agree
GOD that "Time didn't do it." line followed by his misty-eyed gaze at Ellie just breaks my heart. Also I LOVED seeing Ashley Johnson in this episode but I couldn't separate her voice from Ellies in the game 😭😭 It's so distinct.
The poise, power, & presence displayed by the petite Bella Ramsey as Ellie & the Lady of Bear Island are top tier.
End of discussion.
This episode was bad! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
I'll admit it took me time but ever since Episode 2 I really enjoyed her as Ellie
@@minafrota6124 ok we get it.
@@minafrota6124 stay maddddd
Mina Frota means “dumbest bot” in English
Nice near-perfect 3:2 polyrhythm with your claps there at 23:07!! That really caught me off guard haha. Great reaction guys! Has been great tuning in each week after the episode.
I actually meant 4:3 🤭🤭
Also the call back to episode 6 when Joel tells Ellie that she deserves a choice. Here it wasn't just Marlene not giving her a choice, Joel doesn't either. I only played a few hours of the game because the infected just creeped me the hell out. I'm so so glad that I got to experience the story this way. What an amazing show. Forget being a great adaptation. It's one of the best shows I've seen. Ever! Bravo to Craig Maizin, Neil Druckmann, Pedro, Bellie, and all the cast and crew who worked on it!
One little detail I truly adored is the fact that Anne begs Marlene to get Ellie to a loving home that would take care of her, and without trying Marlene did just that. She handed over Ellie to Joel who is the one person that could truly love Ellie the most and care for her the best. Anne's dying wish happened even if Marlene dropped Ellie off at Fedra.
I love how there’s that parallel of Joel holding Ellie with Joel holding Sarah. Only this time, he’s ready and refuses to let history repeat itself.
I think when Bella said it would be a divisive episode she was referring to the decision and moral dilemma people would go through when it comes to Joel saving Ellie instead of letting them complete the procedure. People would be divisive about his choice not that it would be different from the game.
This show has been amazing, great finale. Ive never played the game, and i fully understand Joel’s decision to save Ellie, but it still felt almost like he kidnaps her at the end, like he keeps the truth from her for his own benefit, not hers
ya, he can't lose his baby girl anymore
Never played the game. So seeing Ashley Johnson after watching her and her career for so long, brought me to tears. Im so happy whenever a not so well known actress/actor gets recognition finally! It happened to Florence Pugh, Jessica Chastain, Michael B Jordan, and so much more but those 3 and Ashley i’ve followed for so long ❤
This is one of the best episodes in TV history, the iconic hospital scene couldn't have been more emotional than it was here. Once Joel goes on the rampage, the score along with the echoes of gunshots in the background and the dead stare of Joel, shows so much into his psyche. He already lost one daughter and losing another, who healed his original loss, might push him into the state he was in before. Pedro killed it in this episode. This show deserves every Emmy award.
I wonder if Elli is immune because she was initially infected at the same time her mother was- as she was still attached via umbilical cord when her mother was bitten. Maybe the stem cells in the cord fought off the infection making her immune...
I really like this theory! I always hate when someone is immune and it's just explained like "they're just special y'know". This definitely makes actual sense
That is exactly what the show is saying. It is why Anna stressed that she cut the cord before she was bitten even though she didn’t.
But it's also a way to replicate Ellie. Which is huge. Because that means she is not the last hope. They could create thousands of babies, and either choose to focus on creating an immune new generation or murdering a bunch of babies. Either is likely, knowing their way of thinking.
As I was watching this episode, I thought about how much it was exactly like Blade, and then boom, they say the exact same thing lol.
@@thedanespeaks I thought the same thing. And how many failures would it take to find the proper timing for it it work.
Btw *Andrew & I* are doing a *LIVE STREAM* Monday Morning 11AM PST for full on Spoiler Talk & Season 2 Theories
I'LL BE THERE!!!!
Nice !
Can you block minafrota6124?, they've been shitposting on your reactions and creating a very negative space for your subscribers for weeks. Enough is enough. As people who enjoy your content, we don't deserve to be insulted for liking this show.
Seriously, it's abusive and predatory behavior that should not be enabled.
You owe it to your fan base to provide a healthy environment.
Ashley Johnson also voiced Terra in Teen Titans and appeared as the waitress in Marvel's Avengers (2012) who compliments Steve Rogers artwork and of course gets saved by Steve Rogers again during the Chitauri invasion.
That was kind of mind blowing to realize she was the waitress in "The Avengers." You look back at her career and she's racked up a LOT of credits.
@@mst3KGf Her debut was in Lionheart playing Jean Claude Van Damme's onscreen niece. Of course she was the youngest sibling in Growing Pains. She also played Mel Gibson's onscreen daughter in "What Women Want".
@@mst3KGf That thought went over my head. Looking back at that clip from the movie with her I was blind to notice lol
She had a few more scenes but they were cut. They’re available to view as deleted scenes. I think she was supposed to have a larger role going forward in the MCU following the avengers in 2012 but it didn’t work out.
@@andrewestrada250 Yes in the deleted scenes I have seen.
i’m so happy they added ashley and troy to the show it’s so cool seeing them in it!
Ashley Johnson! Ellie’s knife. Marlene best friends with Ellie’s mom. Damn drs and fireflies. Joel had to lie to Ellie. They went back to Tommy’s town.
This season so incredible. It’s crazy that it’s already over. Cant wait for season 2.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
@@minafrota6124 oh my god, nobody cares!
@Ben I don't think mina cares 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah abby kill Joel game over
Covering baby Ellie ears was purely because gunshots are ridiculously loud and a newborn baby is very fragile--you don't know if the high decibel will cause permanent ear damage. Joel is partially deaf in one ear because he fired a gun next to his head when he tried to off himself.
They did an amazing job both keeping things accurate and adding/removing things from the games. The way Pedro and Bella were able to basically be spot on with the games Joel and Ellie but slightly differ which made it their own was also incredible
27:23 Pedro Pascal actually coined the nickname Belly for Bella Ramsey as stated in a featurette where he calls her that behind the scenes
Perhaps having more infected in the next seasons and having them be more impactful will show the ramifications of Joel’s choice, maybe just an optimistic view towards how they can take the show to even greater heights. Thanks for all the reactions for this season guys, can’t wait for more! 😊
Right after the reveal that Mommy got bit at 5:00 I happened to glance at the shirt that said "Game Over". What timing.
I was cheering for Joel when he started offing the Fireflies
He cleaned that hospital tf up. But was he justified? Her sacrifice could’ve saved millions. Or even billions. While I understand why he did it, I think he made the morally wrong decision.
@jesserochon3103 nah, Fireflies aren't liked by a lot of people, most people aren't going to trust a cure anyway, it's usually shoot first and loot after for most places
@Jesse Rochon Fireflies get slaughtered by a single father on a war path, failed at every QZ we see, at the capitol building, etc. but the audience and Joel is expected to believe that they would have managed to formulate a cure and deliver it across the nation... Will never understand how people think Joel did the wrong thing. He did his job as a father, the fireflies always failed their job. Nuff said
@@jesserochon3103 the cure was not 100% guaranteed💀This is a society with very little resources what makes u think it would’ve found the cure and if so how would they get the resources to do so.
I’ll be cheering when he finds the legendary weapon, the golf club.
Before "best video game adaptation" wasn't that high of a bar, that now has changed, this show has set that bar really high.
It's definitely a morally questioning ending for the ones who didn't play the game, which by the way Bella Ramsey is one of them so I can see why she would have said it's decisive.
I love the title of this episode when I first saw the first episodes title and learnt the firefly catchphrase I had a feeling that episode 9 would be titled with the remaining end of the quote
I was crying like a baby... season two will hit hard
Yeah More crying because abby kill Joel the last of us part 2 ( season 2 )
48:03 In the game, while exploring in the hunter hotel in Pittsburgh, there is an optional dialogue sequence wherein Joel and Ellie come across a couple (who are now corpses) sitting in a bathtub. Ellie comments, "guess they took the easy way out," and Joel responds, "it ain't easy."
They absolutely bodied it. Soup to nuts, beginning to end, they absolutely KILLED it with this show. Amazing.
Ashley brought Ellie to life with her incredible acting in the games and now she's literally bringing her into the world as her mother. I just think thats super cool.
I feel like every one of these episodes is essentially an observational examination of this last choice.
1. Is the ideal lost
2. Is the installation of hope for more spurred by the self sacrifice
3. Is the personalization of that hope, the reduction to ur person, and what it means to have purpose. And surviving till u find a new reason to live.
4. Henry and Sam are the parallel. The question of what will u do for that purpose, does it make u a good or a bad guy?
5. The idea of family, an imagining of the reimagined world, the questioning of whether he is worthy of being her protector or the right person.
6. The two way protection/the two way investment/the chosen family
7. The personification of the pain in the past that makes her vaccine purpose necessary…
8. The purely evil do it for you contrast. Setting up the Henry and Sam bad vs true bad that brews in Joel.
9. The choice driven solely by the chase of his ideal rediscovered.
Ashley Johnson did amazing in that opening scene even though I kept saying she looks and sounds just like Ellie. I love how they shot that hospital scene it really gave the tv audience who didn’t play the game that same feeling of us who did which is did Joel really do the right thing even though we know why he did it.
I love how this episode informs us more about Joel’s decision by showing us that he could never make the sacrifice by not only giving us the story of his scar, but also showing us how Marlene was willing to make the sacrifice. While I am a little upset they didn’t put in the last infected sequence from the game and the scene where Joel is carrying Ellie through the hospital while all of the firefly soldiers are chasing them, everything they did do in the episode was perfect
Perfect finale. HBO nailed it
I was also expecting some twist after seeing Bella say this episode was divisive. Now, I assume they were saying that in reference to people who didn't play the game.
Also, I love how they explicitly showed that Joel felt fine killing the firefly who was surrendering with his hands up, but not the two other nurses in the operating room. In an expected story, you'd think that Joel was in a blind, "No survivors, no witnesses," rampage. But he was aware of every life he was taking, and STILL recognized that medical professionals are not the ones to take in this current world.
It wasn’t that they were medical professionals. If that were so he wouldn’t have killed the surgeon, but he did because he stood in his path to Ellie. He held a weapon, he’s a threat, boom. The two nurses didn’t have anything to threaten him with, so he just didn’t think about them
I had no idea how much this episode was gonna make me cry I balled like several times I ain't kidding 😭😭😭😭😭😭
🙋🏾♀️🙋🏾♀️ In time-stamp 24:10....
I think what Bella meant was she thinks it would be MORALLY
divisive for those who haven't played the game and contemplated
what actions they would take if in the same circumstances.
I could be wrong but that was my take on what she said.
Great reaction guys, thank you!!
The ending reminds me of a very valid point: Neither Joel nor the Fireflies gave Ellie a choice. The Fireflies were gonna operate on her without telling her she would die. And Joel lied to her after he saved her. Ellie was definitely determined to see the whole thing through. She was more than willing to help humanity find a cure. If the Fireflies had actually talked to her, she would have likely accepted it. Joel could have even been the one to explain it to her. Joel wasn't in the wrong for saving Ellie's life. The Fireflies weren't in the wrong for trying to find a cure. But if they had listened to her instead of choosing for her, the whole thing could have gone in a different direction.
Pedro calls Bella Bellie as well.
They fucking nailed it. I'm blown away by this finale and season 1 is officially a masterpiece of tv imo. Now begins the painfully long wait for season 2.
I think when Bella said divisive she was referring to 2 schools of thought (yeah, Star Trek)... the needs of the many vs. the needs of the 1. Joel chose the needs of the 1 (Ellie) over the needs of the many (all of humanity). Divisive also that Joel lied to her at the end and she may know he lied.
(implies stuff about season 2 predictions) Ellie's mom lied about the umbilical cord to take a chance on life, I think that's gonna be a big point for season 2 based on the ending of the second game
That’s cool how they bookended the episode with two people telling lies to protect the ones they love
What an amazing triumph in adapting a game to live action and has become so much more than that. As some one who played the game multiple times and platinum it twice I understand when gamers feel there wasn’t enough infected but the game was never really about that. Mazin and Druckmann really hit a home run with this.
Almost word for word replicated it was crazy to see
Before being cast as Abby, Laura Bailey already did play a nurse in the operating room, so she actually reprised her role the same as Merle Dandridge did.
No one is talking about Merle Dandridge, which is sad. She's such a great actress. She played Zoe on Nikita, which is also a great show. Her role was so short on that show, though. She gives these really short powerful performances. More recently she plays a preacher's daughter on Green Leaf. I think it's the longest role she's had on a tv show and she does a great job. She's such an underrated actress.
IMO Joel in the show is almost more tragic because he does go back to his old self when he's with Ellie. Ellie had said Joel has an asshole voice but once he comes to terms with how much he cares for Ellie his tone of voice when speaking to her is like the first episode pre-outbreak, even the way he stands and carries himself. Joel in the game opens up to Ellie the same way by talking about Sarah too but Pedro really played the two sides of Joel with more contrast. If you watch when he first met Ellie in that hallway then watch him talking to her about Sarah this episode he's two completely different people.
I've definitely seen an interview with Pedro calling her Bellie.
24:35 Bella was talking to ppl who didn’t already know the ending of Part 1, cause ppl have been debating Joel’s actions since 2013. As if what the fireflies were about to do without consent, was any less debatable.
I think the reason we all have felt identified with The Last of Us and the reason the videogame means so much for a lot of people is that there are always times where we feel without purpose or hopeless about the world we live in, there's always something or someone who changes our minds, something that's actually worth living for or someone we want to spent the rest of our lives with, the same way Bill felt about Frank in ep. 3 or the same way Joel sees Ellie. To me, this show was a beautiful reminder of why TLOU is my favorite videogame of all time, and now this is one of my favorite shows of all time. Can't wait to see how Season 2 goes! :')
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
I enjoyed this a lot.
I don't know if I've ever seen Andrew get that emotional before. It was awesome!😍
I know there's some controversy surrounding this show, but honestly, it's one of the best freaking video game adaptions I've ever seen personally. It annoys me when people hate just to hate. Both games were top tier, and after the first season of this show, I'm dying to see the next one.
This was the worst finale ever! The explanation of immunity is so boring. What is Ellie's mom was immune too and just passed the immunity on to her? We'll never fucking know because the show executed the mom and fed us this garbage origin story. I am going to save myself the trouble and not watch season 2 because obviously, this show will never get better.
The only controversy is butt hurt game nerds lol. 99% of eeryone I know irl or have seen online that went in blind loved it.
@@minafrota6124 love the copy and paste brother/and or sister. Very original
@minafrota6124 Shut up KAREN!!!!
Laura Bailey was one of the doctors at the end 😮 They had Ashley Johnson and Laura Bailey 😯. That’s awesome 😎
The line, “I was never afraid until you showed up,” is an obvious through line for the series.
Great episode. Great season. What they set up with the changes I think will make for a better second season with a few tweaks. Also, great strategic use of the phrasing "I'm sorry" throughout. I really hope next season we get Ellie's side of that hospital stay.
This episode was phenomenal, it's going to be tough waiting for season two but it will be worth it.
They started filming season 1 last year or late 2021 I believe so we might not see season 2 until 2025 I’m hoping January 2024 but they haven’t even announced filming yet.
@@ryans413they will be filming season 2 this year so late 2024, early 2025
Season 2 is gonna hurt man.
The cool thing about Ashley Johnson being Ellie's mother is she very perfect for that role and a amazing voice actor. She also left Ellie her switch blade and jacket that she is using now.
If you have time could you guys react to this amazing crime-drama, thriller action series that Jaimie Alexander, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, Sullivan Stapleton and Ashley Johnson called Blindspot created by Martin Gero from the Stargate TV Series Universe and produced by Greg Berlanti. It will definitely keep you guessing til the end.