Dirty is just not the correct word to describe Chopin's life. Nor was he twisted. He was a genius who suffered from a physical ailment that made him feel wretched his entire life. Yet he left the world a musical treasure chest. Twisted and dirty are words that better describe despots.
When he was 20 he was attracted to an 11 year old girl… if that’s not twisted, idk what is… and no, don’t get me started with the whole “but it was normal back then” argument
@@maria.4.4.1whether we like it or not, it was acceptable socially. Therefore he was acting within the norms of the society of the time. So if we are going to judge him, we must first judge the entire society at the time, which accepted or even encouraged such relationships. In the same respect, realize that many of the things society accepts today will be found unacceptable tomorrow. So we can conclude that in fact, y are also twisted.
@@maria.4.4.1Please actually do some proper research before spreading severe misinformation. When Chopin was 20 years old he was secretly in love with a singing student, Konstancja Gładkowska. She was the same age as him, born 1810. He wrote in several surviving letters to his friends about her and into his diary. Maria Wodzińska, although he knew her as a child, became important to him when he was 25/26 years old. Maria was 16 years old at the time. Hardly paedophile. And, while modern law in most countries doesn't allow romantic relationships and marriages for underaged people, this does not apply to the 19th century and wasn't at all unusual. People with much larger age gaps than 10 years were married to each other when the union served a purpose for either or both of the families. Most families, though, waited for the girl (or boy) to mature before the actual wedding.
I wouldn't say Chopin was twisted. He had issues. I don't think I'd be pleasant to be around if I was in constant pain and had temporal lobe epilepsy to boot! Back in the 1840s, there was no therapy or medical care that could help him. His early death was a release.
Historical diagnoses of medical and/or psychological conditions are fraught with the possibility of error. The Spanish researchers who conducted this “study” were making educated guesses, regardless of the overly confident language with which they couched their opinions. Next, the person who wrote this ill advised video did nothing but distort and sensationalize aspects of Chopin’s story for monetary gain.
@@voraciousreader3341dude, scientists today have confirmed that he had tuberculosis. Everyone around him knew he was ill. He was so weak that many couldn’t hear when he played the piano. He spent much of his time in bed.
@@xx133 @voraciousreader3341 probably referred to the "epilepsy claim" which was published by Spanish scientists. There is no proof to that, just speculation. There is no proof that Chopin suffered any of the diseases associated with him in his lifetime, nore today. It is, however most likely that he did suffer from chronic, relapsing TB, possibly for as long as 25 years. That means he was not acutely ill and bedridden throughout his adulthood. But rather his state of health was a permanent up and down of better episodes and severe relapses. Any cold, flu, gastro-intestinal disease on top of the TB infection and the damages caused by it, any other mild infection would have been worse for him and threw him back. However, before Mallorca, and most of all in his early 20s, he was healthy enough to have a very active social life and be a very present member of the Parisian artist community as well as Polish immigrant charities.
Anyone interested in real historical facts of Chopins life, please ignore this incredibly bad "documentary" and read Alan Walker's or Adam Zamoyski's Chopin biography. Alternatively, the Chopin Institute Warsaw has most known details about Chopin on their website, all known letters from and to Chopin can be found there and information about most people that Chopin interacted with throughout his life. Most of the infos in this clip are fiction for pure sensationalism. Absolutely impossible!
Agreed, this is pure nonsense, and Alan Walker debunks many claims made in the video in his biography and repeats said debunkings at the start of some of his lectures; first and foremost of which is that Chopin and Sands love affair was the talk of Europe!
✨️Chopin had an affair with a woman named Baroness Dudevant. She was born Amantine Lucile Aurore Dupin de Francueil. She was a famous novelist who used the name "George Sand" as a nom de plume.
While I appreciate the hard work that goes into your videos. I´m tired of the modern tendency to trash the legacies of our erstwhile heroes. "You can´t meet your heroes" is so true. I´m just going to continue loving their work. I don´t care what their personal foibles were.
My personal take as a historian is that deeper knowledge about a historical figure should give us better insight into them, not give us a basis to judge them. No matter what we learn about historical figures, we don't usually have the opportunity to speak with them and ask them, "how were you feeling when you did X," "what motivated you to do Y?" Barring that, I don't think judging them or their work on deeper info is fair. We're not in their time, mind, or shoes. You're not required to justify your appreciation of his body of work based on things done in another era. You & he do not occupy the same sociological framework.
Have played his piano music most of my life, including the Ballades. Anyone who can touch the divine at that level has a free pass as far as I'm concerned. And judging his love affair with Sand? That was the 19th century, and at least in France it wasn't that big a deal even then.
There is no “l” in Mallorca. At one time it was spelled “Majorca” which is closer if you consider the “j” the “y” sound, which is what the “ll” phoneme is in Catalan.
on sundays when it is raining, i listen and thank. i dont know who i thank but the world be have been a sadder place if he had not existed so "I Thank"
Terrible slanted view for sensationalism of facts about the greatest composer for piano. Can’t even pronounce the names correctly. If anyone wants to know about the life of Chopin, read the biography : Fryderyk Chopin: A Life And Times by Alan Walker.
Chopin had many long life friends, he had some shortcomings like everybody but he was loyal and fond of those people . George Sand was a positive figure in his life but her family relationships were problematic. Her talentless narcissistic son, a spoilt fanciful daughter and George's liberal approach to fidelity didn't help.
During the pandemic I read a bio of George Sand, interesting life. She seemed to be uninhibited in romantic sexual affairs, common in that cultural milieu. Frederic was the opposite, uptight, cold. Her role was almost a sexual mentor. Much later after they ended, she was reputed to have said something to the effect of "...Someone really did a number on him"
He probably would have been seen as a hanger-on at that time, which would have been very humiliating for him given his immense talent. He was always living under her shadow.
@@carlorizzo827 Sand was treating Chopin like her second son, she was presumptuous, patronizing, frequently humiliated him and very likely was extremely manipulative, a typical narcissist. She controlled all his steps, made her friends watchdogs over him, and envied that he could earn with one concert as much as she could make in a year. She didn't like his Polish friends, which were immensely important to him, and he couldn't stand most of her politician friends. Several of his friends thought she was the worst that had happened to him. His friend, Grzymala, wrote shortly after Chopin had died (he had been at the deathbed) that he believes Frederic may have lived into his 80s if he "hadn't had the bad fortune to meet Mme Sand". Liszt wrote something very insightful about her, too: "Madame Sand would catch a butterfly, cage it, and feed it with herbs and flowers. That was the period of love. Then she put a pin through it, and it struggled, for it was always she who broke off first. Afterwards she vivisected it and prepared it for her collection of heroes for her novels. It was trading in souls who had given themselves to her that finally made me sicken of her friendship." Again, "She has warmth solely in the works of her imagination, and an utterly cold heart." George Sand is the least reliable source when it comes to Chopin (and probably most other people). She knew how to save her reputation. But she was a liar.
You are very judgemental and hard on this man. You haven't walked in his shoes. You try being sick and weak from illness all your life, then add being a center of attention because of your abilities. Life must have been very stressful and painful for him. Have a little empathy, might do you good😂
Tuberculosis gets worse at the seaside. Mycobacterium tubercolosis thrives with high tension of oxygen. The reason why most of the sanatorium are in the mountains it is because there is less oxygen. No Majorca,Alps would be the place where to go.
Chopin and George Sand lived in Valldemosa in Mallorca. He was very sick there of berculases. There they had a shelter in the monestery. I went there in that beautiful town and Chopin concert in the monestery there. Thank you and best regards from Iceland.
This was absolutely wonderful, I Sooo enjoyed it! Your soft voice is perfect for my late evening "reading" /listening and what a lovely way to escape from grim political commentary. Thank you so much.
“7. . . [e]very good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” (Jesus in St. Matt. 7:15). Was not Chopin’s music “good fruit”? No musician would deny him that!
This "study" is as reliable and as based on known facts as "Superman". Chopin, though a very complex and paradox man, probably was one of the least "crazy" geniuses of music history.
What struck me was the way they flitted around Europe. No jets in those days. And the biggest was that they didn't have Spotify. So live performance was de riquer. Hence the patrons being more interested in dancing at his concert or recital
My apartment on Nowy Swiat Street in Warsaw is a block from the Chopin museum and two blocks from the Church of the Holy Cross where his heart is interned
Her name was not George. It was Aurore. The trip to Mallorca (pronounced May-YOR-ka was for multiple reasons, possibly principally for the health of Aurore’s son. Overall an excellent overview of a very difficult but talented life.
Well at least the one positive thing coming of their Mallorcha time were the Preludes, the "Rain-drop" being an indisputable (so I believe) masterpiece. The written utterance of Sand thus: "this little creature" was so regrettably condescending as to be borderline execrable. Also massively regrettable was the producer's posing A. Rubinstein as-if Chopin !! Also, they put Napoleon into that same light !! Heavens !!
She called him all sorts of belittling names. "Chip-Chip", "petite Chopin", "our invalid", "dear skeleton", "dear corpse", "the boy". She often called him "creature" in letters to others and in her biography. She was presumptuous, patronizing, borderline-despotic and very clever with emotional manipulation. While this clip is almost entirely fiction mixed with some basic facts, worse than some badly researched movies, this little fact came across properly. Sand had severe narcissistic and obsessive-possessive tendencies and Chopin (although a complicated, but definitely not a twisted man) had the right kind of personality and misfortune (his chronic illnesses) to become the typical victim for such a psychotic person. Any serious musicologist takes most of what she ever said publicly about Chopin with lots of caution, she is not a reliable source on him. Most of all because lots of testimonies of his long term friends contradict most of what she said in her autobiography about him. One is Liszt. Another is her own daughter.
@@Seleuce With learning of those additional diminutions of Sand's, I am made sadder still for them. To be sure I shall regard anything of Sand's at least as suspect. Merci beaucoup, cher Seleuce.
A really mean-spirited hit job. If Chopin was really so unbelievably obnoxious, why did so many women love him? Ludvig Van Beethoven was an even greater composer than Chopin. Yet he seems never to have had a successful relationship with a woman, although his letters and diaries suggest he badly wanted such a relationship. Also like Chopin, he was in poor health all his life. But this didn't help him with women,
Strong in music.Weak with poonanee. Except for Mozart who knew his way around poonanee it's an ever repeating scenario among classical composers. Also Tchaikovsky who had rich poonanee paying his bills for decades
Here is the next bit of severe misinformation based on subjective speculation. I can tell, you never read Chopin's diary entry about Konstancja Gładkowska, or his letters to Jan Matuszynski, using him as a love messenger between Konstanzcja and himself, or the "Const...." in one of his letters to Tytus while talking about his beloved Konstancja. What he secretly preferred we can't know. He may have had a bisexual tendency (which has many layers), he may not. But he definitely loved women, it's all too apparent throughout his life. No-one uses his own diary entries as "cover-ups". No-one who is focused on men only writes to his closest friends about how seriously stirred up he felt when seeing the girl he was in love with in Sunday church.
These are rumors that were never substantiated. Chopin and Sand were not having an affair. They were married. Chopin and Sand eventually separated not because Chopin was fond of her daughter. Sand was just not the type who would stay home to take care of a husband, Chopin or anyone else.
@@cloudrouju526 No, I object, I didn't. I'm aware that you criticised that in the clip it was claimed that the old rumor of Chopin's and Solange Clesinger's alleged affair was a fact. (I agree, this rumor was never confirmed and the affair properly never happend). But saying Chopin and Sand were married is a severely false info. The rest of my reply simply referred to the fact that it wasn't Sand who left Chopin (to lead a free life), but it was Chopin who left.
@@Seleuce You did, actually. The point I was trying to make is that the unsubstantiated rumors cannot be used to brand Chopin as “twisted”, as the title of the video accused. Whether or not him and Sand were officially married, well let’s just say, who cares. They were together, and then they weren’t, just like about 50% of couples do nowadays. No moral justification needed for that fact. This video is a shameless clickbait. The publisher is a shameless person. And I do have evidence for this accusation.
@HistoryExposé I'm not sure where all your info has come from, but one thing stands out to me which is your mispronunciation of 'Mallorca'. If you want anyone to take your historical "exposé" seriously, you need to be certain of your details. Otherwise, it's just embarrassing. Aside from that, you went way overboard on darkening the image of Chopin. Kind of shameful all 'round, really.
I have never liked Chopin's music. and as one's art is a reflection of one's personality you have explained to a very good extent why. I knew he was prissy but i had no idea he was such an obnoxious rat and you can certainly guess that I do NOT regard genius as an excuse for any misbehaviour
I'll pass on the giddy gossip. As if a composer of music and a writer having an affair in Europe is a big deal. But you did say that it took some people in Europe by storm. Still, probably not the working classes.
@@alyssstout8112 No, mainly it should be pointed out that this information is a lie and strict misinformation. Chopin was engaged to Maria Wodzinska from 1835 on (aged 25, she was 16). At age 20 he was in love with Konstancja Gladowska, a singing student of the same age as him. She is mentioned in his letters and his diary.
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Dirty is just not the correct word to describe Chopin's life. Nor was he twisted. He was a genius who suffered from a physical ailment that made him feel wretched his entire life. Yet he left the world a musical treasure chest. Twisted and dirty are words that better describe despots.
When he was 20 he was attracted to an 11 year old girl… if that’s not twisted, idk what is… and no, don’t get me started with the whole “but it was normal back then” argument
@@maria.4.4.1whether we like it or not, it was acceptable socially. Therefore he was acting within the norms of the society of the time. So if we are going to judge him, we must first judge the entire society at the time, which accepted or even encouraged such relationships.
In the same respect, realize that many of the things society accepts today will be found unacceptable tomorrow. So we can conclude that in fact, y are also twisted.
@@maria.4.4.1Please actually do some proper research before spreading severe misinformation.
When Chopin was 20 years old he was secretly in love with a singing student, Konstancja Gładkowska. She was the same age as him, born 1810. He wrote in several surviving letters to his friends about her and into his diary.
Maria Wodzińska, although he knew her as a child, became important to him when he was 25/26 years old. Maria was 16 years old at the time. Hardly paedophile. And, while modern law in most countries doesn't allow romantic relationships and marriages for underaged people, this does not apply to the 19th century and wasn't at all unusual. People with much larger age gaps than 10 years were married to each other when the union served a purpose for either or both of the families. Most families, though, waited for the girl (or boy) to mature before the actual wedding.
@@Seleuce what do you mean?
@@xx133 I get what you mean but I wouldn’t say that I’m twisted as I have morals and follow them in order to be a good person, thank you 😂
I wouldn't say Chopin was twisted. He had issues. I don't think I'd be pleasant to be around if I was in constant pain and had temporal lobe epilepsy to boot! Back in the 1840s, there was no therapy or medical care that could help him. His early death was a release.
Historical diagnoses of medical and/or psychological conditions are fraught with the possibility of error. The Spanish researchers who conducted this “study” were making educated guesses, regardless of the overly confident language with which they couched their opinions. Next, the person who wrote this ill advised video did nothing but distort and sensationalize aspects of Chopin’s story for monetary gain.
@@voraciousreader3341dude, scientists today have confirmed that he had tuberculosis. Everyone around him knew he was ill. He was so weak that many couldn’t hear when he played the piano. He spent much of his time in bed.
@@xx133
@voraciousreader3341 probably referred to the "epilepsy claim" which was published by Spanish scientists.
There is no proof to that, just speculation.
There is no proof that Chopin suffered any of the diseases associated with him in his lifetime, nore today.
It is, however most likely that he did suffer from chronic, relapsing TB, possibly for as long as 25 years. That means he was not acutely ill and bedridden throughout his adulthood. But rather his state of health was a permanent up and down of better episodes and severe relapses. Any cold, flu, gastro-intestinal disease on top of the TB infection and the damages caused by it, any other mild infection would have been worse for him and threw him back.
However, before Mallorca, and most of all in his early 20s, he was healthy enough to have a very active social life and be a very present member of the Parisian artist community as well as Polish immigrant charities.
@@mrs.g.9816 clickbait is clickbait. Business types don’t care about the truth, they post what sells
Anyone interested in real historical facts of Chopins life, please ignore this incredibly bad "documentary" and read Alan Walker's or Adam Zamoyski's Chopin biography. Alternatively, the Chopin Institute Warsaw has most known details about Chopin on their website, all known letters from and to Chopin can be found there and information about most people that Chopin interacted with throughout his life. Most of the infos in this clip are fiction for pure sensationalism. Absolutely impossible!
Agreed, this is pure nonsense, and Alan Walker debunks many claims made in the video in his biography and repeats said debunkings at the start of some of his lectures; first and foremost of which is that Chopin and Sands love affair was the talk of Europe!
What a bunch of overly-sensationalized claptrap, hinted at by the clickbait title. I would bet you’ve never even read a biography of Chopin!
"Dear AI: Make music that sounds like Chopin for my video"
I visited his and Geoges Sands home in Paris. Wonderful! It's a museum now.
Sand was a novelist, not a poet.
Small nitpick: Justyna is pronounced more like "YOU-stina," and Mallorca like "my-YOR-ca."
"Details count."
Da, Americans 😂
He also mispronounced Mendelssohn and Cherubini :’)
Justyna is stressed on the second syllable.
✨️Chopin had an affair with a woman named Baroness Dudevant. She was born Amantine Lucile Aurore Dupin de Francueil. She was a famous novelist who used the name "George Sand" as a nom de plume.
While I appreciate the hard work that goes into your videos. I´m tired of the modern tendency to trash the legacies of our erstwhile heroes. "You can´t meet your heroes" is so true. I´m just going to continue loving their work. I don´t care what their personal foibles were.
My personal take as a historian is that deeper knowledge about a historical figure should give us better insight into them, not give us a basis to judge them. No matter what we learn about historical figures, we don't usually have the opportunity to speak with them and ask them, "how were you feeling when you did X," "what motivated you to do Y?" Barring that, I don't think judging them or their work on deeper info is fair. We're not in their time, mind, or shoes. You're not required to justify your appreciation of his body of work based on things done in another era. You & he do not occupy the same sociological framework.
I was just thinking the same thing. Thank you. Well said!
Usually when we talk about people from history, they have passed from us. They can’t defend themselves.
Have played his piano music most of my life, including the Ballades. Anyone who can touch the divine at that level has a free pass as far as I'm concerned. And judging his love affair with Sand? That was the 19th century, and at least in France it wasn't that big a deal even then.
@@steveneardley7541poo I.
There is no “l” in Mallorca. At one time it was spelled “Majorca” which is closer if you consider the “j” the “y” sound, which is what the “ll” phoneme is in Catalan.
Shows how old I am. I learned Majorca.
Chopin has always been my favorite.
on sundays when it is raining, i listen and thank. i dont know who i thank but the world be
have been a sadder place if he had not existed so "I Thank"
Terrible slanted view for sensationalism of facts about the greatest composer for piano. Can’t even pronounce the names correctly. If anyone wants to know about the life of Chopin, read the biography : Fryderyk Chopin: A Life And Times by Alan Walker.
You couldn't be more correct. This video was a misinformed hatchet job. Mistaking Anton Rubinstein for Chopin, for starters.
Until this clip I had never heard that Chopin was difficult to be around. Now the coldness of La Sand toward him near the end makes more sense to me.
Chopin had many long life friends, he had some shortcomings like everybody but he was loyal and fond of those people . George Sand was a positive figure in his life but her family relationships were problematic. Her talentless narcissistic son, a spoilt fanciful daughter and George's liberal approach to fidelity didn't help.
During the pandemic I read a bio of George Sand, interesting life. She seemed to be uninhibited in romantic sexual affairs, common in that cultural milieu. Frederic was the opposite, uptight, cold. Her role was almost a sexual mentor. Much later after they ended, she was reputed to have said something to the effect of "...Someone really did a number on him"
He probably would have been seen as a hanger-on at that time, which would have been very humiliating for him given his immense talent. He was always living under her shadow.
@@carlorizzo827
Sand was treating Chopin like her second son, she was presumptuous, patronizing, frequently humiliated him and very likely was extremely manipulative, a typical narcissist. She controlled all his steps, made her friends watchdogs over him, and envied that he could earn with one concert as much as she could make in a year. She didn't like his Polish friends, which were immensely important to him, and he couldn't stand most of her politician friends. Several of his friends thought she was the worst that had happened to him. His friend, Grzymala, wrote shortly after Chopin had died (he had been at the deathbed) that he believes Frederic may have lived into his 80s if he "hadn't had the bad fortune to meet Mme Sand".
Liszt wrote something very insightful about her, too:
"Madame Sand would catch a butterfly, cage it, and feed it with herbs and flowers. That was the period of love. Then she put a pin through it, and it struggled, for it was always she who broke off first. Afterwards she vivisected it and prepared it for her collection of heroes for her novels. It was trading in souls who had given themselves to her that finally made me sicken of her friendship." Again, "She has warmth solely in the works of her imagination, and an utterly cold heart."
George Sand is the least reliable source when it comes to Chopin (and probably most other people). She knew how to save her reputation. But she was a liar.
@@beatapogorzelska1241 Some Chopin's biographers suspect that his relations with Sand's daughter, fanciful Solange, were slightly too close.
Odd pronunciation of Mallorca. Image was of the wrong Napoleon.
Odd pronunciation of Franz Liszt, too.
I am so incredibly proud to be born in Poland. So many very talented and exceptional individuals.
"MEN-dul-son", not "men DEL sun"
Son of Mendel.
@@StarshipToMars dictionary verified
Another genius lost to TB.
Probably the greatest creative genius who ever lived. Even tied with Bach! End of story
My Yorka is the correct pronunciation for Mallorca
Her given name is NOT George Sand. That was her PEN name. Talk about lack of fact-finding. Jeez. 🙄
Twisted? I think not.
You are very judgemental and hard on this man. You haven't walked in his shoes. You try being sick and weak from illness all your life, then add being a center of attention because of your abilities.
Life must have been very stressful and painful for him. Have a little empathy, might do you good😂
Try cutting back on the volume of the background music. It is distracting and makes it harder to hear the monologue!
@falungongboy ::
The creators of this video took your advice ! The background music was very subtle.
Tuberculosis gets worse at the seaside. Mycobacterium tubercolosis thrives with high tension of oxygen. The reason why most of the sanatorium are in the mountains it is because there is less oxygen. No Majorca,Alps would be the place where to go.
"Mye-YOR-kah"
OK, you use AI, but "Men-del'-son? Emphasis on "del" 😅😅?
Chopin and George Sand lived in Valldemosa in Mallorca. He was very sick there of berculases.
There they had a shelter in the monestery.
I went there in that beautiful town and Chopin concert in the monestery there.
Thank you and best regards from Iceland.
This was absolutely wonderful, I Sooo enjoyed it! Your soft voice is perfect for my late evening "reading" /listening and what a lovely way to escape from grim political commentary. Thank you so much.
“7. . . [e]very good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” (Jesus in St. Matt. 7:15). Was not Chopin’s music “good fruit”? No musician would deny him that!
Horrible mispronunciation and loud background music makes this unwatchable.
I particularly enjoyed CH-erubini as in CH- icken!
Must be your t.v.'s mine is fine. 2:04
@ Must be your inability to speak English then.
As do the lack of verified sources. Plus the click bait title. Twisted?
@@RickyMaveetySomeone makes an innocent comment and you respond in a nasty condescending manner.
Do better.
Irresponsible and inaccurate. Narration by about that doesn't know how to pronounce Mallorca doesn't help.
Loud background music and mispronunciatons make this a poor video.
It is a robot (AI) voice.
Oh boy, I'm not getting my hands dirty with this one.
Such a load of rubbish, spreading misinformation. Thumbs down.
Genius and crazy are two sides to the same coin and follow the same neural pathway. What an interesting study!
This "study" is as reliable and as based on known facts as "Superman". Chopin, though a very complex and paradox man, probably was one of the least "crazy" geniuses of music history.
What struck me was the way they flitted around Europe. No jets in those days. And the biggest was that they didn't have Spotify.
So live performance was de riquer.
Hence the patrons being more interested in dancing at his concert or recital
The siblings may have inherited cystic fibrosis. They may have had TB? They may have inherited a blood disorder like myasthenia gravis.
My apartment on Nowy Swiat Street in Warsaw is a block from the Chopin museum and two blocks from the Church of the Holy Cross where his heart is interned
Comments make me question the veracity. The low vocal-fry voice sounds creepy.
The only G minor sonata was for cello and piano
Her name was not George. It was Aurore. The trip to Mallorca (pronounced May-YOR-ka was for multiple reasons, possibly principally for the health of Aurore’s son. Overall an excellent overview of a very difficult but talented life.
Unfortunately, this is not an excellent clip, this is an awful collection of misinformation.
Fyi, the Mediterranean island Chopin and Sands stayed at is pronounced My-yor-ka (not Ma-lor-ka), as it's a Spanish island.
Mallorca is pronounced my or ka
Well at least the one positive thing coming of their Mallorcha time were the Preludes, the "Rain-drop" being an indisputable (so I believe) masterpiece.
The written utterance of Sand thus: "this little creature" was so regrettably condescending as to be borderline execrable.
Also massively regrettable was the producer's posing A. Rubinstein as-if Chopin !! Also, they put Napoleon into that same light !! Heavens !!
I noticed that too.
She called him all sorts of belittling names. "Chip-Chip", "petite Chopin", "our invalid", "dear skeleton", "dear corpse", "the boy". She often called him "creature" in letters to others and in her biography. She was presumptuous, patronizing, borderline-despotic and very clever with emotional manipulation.
While this clip is almost entirely fiction mixed with some basic facts, worse than some badly researched movies, this little fact came across properly. Sand had severe narcissistic and obsessive-possessive tendencies and Chopin (although a complicated, but definitely not a twisted man) had the right kind of personality and misfortune (his chronic illnesses) to become the typical victim for such a psychotic person. Any serious musicologist takes most of what she ever said publicly about Chopin with lots of caution, she is not a reliable source on him. Most of all because lots of testimonies of his long term friends contradict most of what she said in her autobiography about him. One is Liszt. Another is her own daughter.
@@Seleuce With learning of those additional diminutions of Sand's, I am made sadder still for them.
To be sure I shall regard anything of Sand's at least as suspect.
Merci beaucoup, cher Seleuce.
The "lls" in Mallorca are silent.
When you can see between the words in the lines you can better understand the true story of a life not lived .... 🌎✌️🌍
This was excellent. Please keep doing these histories. I feel drawn to the early 19th century. Writers, musicians, composers. More please.
could not have said it better myself!
I am drawn to that time also. Always been obsessed with the Brontes. All the writers and musicians from that time
This was mainly a load of serious misinformation, sorry to disappoint.
Chopin had tuberculosis. Maybe he didn‘t want to give it to her. His father and his brother died of the desease.
Mallorca, pronounced Mah-york-ah.
A really mean-spirited hit job. If Chopin was really so unbelievably obnoxious, why did so many women love him? Ludvig Van Beethoven was an even greater composer than Chopin. Yet he seems never to have had a successful relationship with a woman, although his letters and diaries suggest he badly wanted such a relationship. Also like Chopin, he was in poor health all his life. But this didn't help him with women,
Strong in music.Weak with poonanee. Except for Mozart who knew his way around poonanee it's an ever repeating scenario among classical composers. Also Tchaikovsky who had rich poonanee paying his bills for decades
The role of Flaubert?
Chopin loved MEN!! Women were covers. Read his secret letters to men!!
Here is the next bit of severe misinformation based on subjective speculation. I can tell, you never read Chopin's diary entry about Konstancja Gładkowska, or his letters to Jan Matuszynski, using him as a love messenger between Konstanzcja and himself, or the "Const...." in one of his letters to Tytus while talking about his beloved Konstancja.
What he secretly preferred we can't know. He may have had a bisexual tendency (which has many layers), he may not. But he definitely loved women, it's all too apparent throughout his life. No-one uses his own diary entries as "cover-ups". No-one who is focused on men only writes to his closest friends about how seriously stirred up he felt when seeing the girl he was in love with in Sunday church.
These are rumors that were never substantiated. Chopin and Sand were not having an affair. They were married. Chopin and Sand eventually separated not because Chopin was fond of her daughter. Sand was just not the type who would stay home to take care of a husband, Chopin or anyone else.
They were NEVER married. The disgraceful article is bad enough, no need to add more garbage to this stinking pile!
Like @musiclover said, they were never married. And all testimonies and sources indicate that it was him who broke off first.
@@Seleuce sorry, you missed the point by just over a mile.
@@cloudrouju526 No, I object, I didn't.
I'm aware that you criticised that in the clip it was claimed that the old rumor of Chopin's and Solange Clesinger's alleged affair was a fact. (I agree, this rumor was never confirmed and the affair properly never happend). But saying Chopin and Sand were married is a severely false info.
The rest of my reply simply referred to the fact that it wasn't Sand who left Chopin (to lead a free life), but it was Chopin who left.
@@Seleuce You did, actually. The point I was trying to make is that the unsubstantiated rumors cannot be used to brand Chopin as “twisted”, as the title of the video accused. Whether or not him and Sand were officially married, well let’s just say, who cares. They were together, and then they weren’t, just like about 50% of couples do nowadays. No moral justification needed for that fact.
This video is a shameless clickbait. The publisher is a shameless person. And I do have evidence for this accusation.
@HistoryExposé I'm not sure where all your info has come from, but one thing stands out to me which is your mispronunciation of 'Mallorca'. If you want anyone to take your historical "exposé" seriously, you need to be certain of your details. Otherwise, it's just embarrassing. Aside from that, you went way overboard on darkening the image of Chopin. Kind of shameful all 'round, really.
I always thought George was a man’s name…apparently not 🤷♂️
George Sand was her pen name.
She deliberately chose a man's name as her pen-name because no one would've accepted her as a female author.
Women writers were not published then.
@ if George was her pen-name, what was her real name?
It is but she couldn’t get published as she used a man’s name and she was a star
In "Mallorca" the double l is not pronounced.
Genius and Madness?
Excellent, illuminating, lamentable.
I have never liked Chopin's music.
and as one's art is a reflection of one's personality you have explained to a very good extent why.
I knew he was prissy but i had no idea he was such an obnoxious rat
and you can certainly guess that I do NOT regard genius as an excuse for any misbehaviour
I'll pass on the giddy gossip. As if a composer of music and a writer having an affair in Europe is a big deal. But you did say that it took some people in Europe by storm. Still, probably not the working classes.
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Bot, not about. Sorry.
This beatiful You Tube post hides a twisted mind... Ugh!!!
Not one Coward in Comments said Pure Evil Pedophile A 20 year old and an 11 year old and others Shame
What are you even talking about?
Coward…?……..no one is being a coward here and you need to understand that this was socially acceptable for the time period.
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No, mainly it should be pointed out that this information is a lie and strict misinformation. Chopin was engaged to Maria Wodzinska from 1835 on (aged 25, she was 16). At age 20 he was in love with Konstancja Gladowska, a singing student of the same age as him. She is mentioned in his letters and his diary.