in her prime Venus' game was incredible! A huge serve, proper powerful groundstrokes that hit deep into the court, combined with that incredible movement and speed. I really do love the contribution Venus has had in tennis history, proper inspiring player with all her health setbacks.
You betcha. That backhand was firing and her movement was gazelle-like. I love Serena to death, but we have to give Venus credit. When she was in full flight she was a nightmare!
As good as she was. I dont really miss the old Venus. Her game today is just much more solid and much more trickier. The only problem she has these days is her serve arent working as well as it used to and she looks fatigue basically all the time.
@bigray1999 You really put Osaka and Keys in comparaison with a prime Venus? none of them would take more than 4 games in a set against a prime Venus on any surface...Venus is 35+ yo she cant be as powerful or quick like she was at 22 thats all
I remember everyone saying Venus and Serena were ‘all power’ when they came out and true, there’s no question they brought the most power we’ve seen - but anyone can see what a good court feel Venus has here. Hingis is the Queen of using every inch of the court to her advantage and Venus is replying in her own way, drop shots, everything.
True man. Martina was considered a better clay court player than Venus, but this matchup clearly shows how well Venus could play on clay. Her strokes, court coverage, use of power and shot selection is clear in this match.
10:07 Tell me what other player can play a point like that? Venus was scary in her hay day, man. When she's moving well, crushing the backhand, and approaching the net consistently - there's no one that can stay with her. Even Serena would tell you that.
This version of Venus is so world class that in my opinion no one could beat her including Serena, Graf, and Navratilova. The soft hands, killer serve, incredible placement of shot selection, getting so low for her shots, and wall like defense is truly something to behold. There is not one player on the tour in 2019 that plays at this level. And no one has Venus' movement and speed. Amazing!
@@markuse3472 If this Venus was playing in Hamburg during Steffi's "reign" there would have been a 2nd stabbing. And then Steffi could waltz easily through successive Slams.
@@mattliechty1269 If Venus had played during Steffi's reign, her screaming and howling would have been halted on the spot and would have won only half as many, maybe less since her training and coaching would have been as that of the late 1980s and early/mid 1990s, with much less power.
Venus made this court play like a Hard court because of her world class movement. This is the attribute of speed and then movement but it's rare to have both at a world class level.That's how in the zone her game was and to move like this on clay is unheard of. Maybe Graf had this level of movement on clay on her best days. No one else was this quick on clay while being so balanced. You expect to see this type of balance only on a hard court but not on clay and especially red clay which is heavier and slows you down.
Judging by the court acoustics, this was indoors which would've definitely helped Venus I think since she liked fast conditions. But Venus had a great game for clay, in my opinion she just did not have the patience for it.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k I agree with you. Power hitters and especially aggressive players tend to enjoy the attribute of patience less. Venus Williams and her sister changed the way tennis is played. Extraordinary legendary players.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k actually if you watch the match at 9:05 you will notice there is not a ceiling to this large fishbowl arena. It's the shape of this structure which explains the acoustic sound. What a wonderful match.
Omg it’s a absolute pleasure to watch Venus at her best. Yes, Venus may not of had the most consistent career but I truly believe at her best no one and I mean no one ever (even Serena) would have beaten her! Just amazing
Both were amazing. This Hingis right here (even though she lost to Vee) would have easily taken out the likes of Kerber, Halep, Svitolina, Osaka and the Czech girls. Vee was just on another level.
@@dissonantvibe8585 Age has nothing to do with being in one's 'prime'. By 1997, Hingis was already a Grand slam champion and 1997 was her absolute best year- 3 titles and FO finalist to boot. 1999 was her third best year at the slams and also overall win percentage (85%). Venus meanwhile would not reach a slam final between losing to her at the USO 1997 and 2000 when she began to move into her prime, and 1999 was in terms of her overall year's win %, her 6th best year (82%). They played eachother more times in 1999 than any other splitting the difference at 3 wins a piece. As established, in terms of form, Hingis was close to her best here while Venus still had significant mileage. In 2000-2002 (despite Hingis shortly occupying the No.1 position in early 2000 and again in early 2001 and having her second best season (9 titles and 89% win rate), Venus dominated winning 5 of 6 matches. This was even before what was in terms of titles won (7) and finals (and perhaps even quality) her very best year of 2002. Prior to this, the h2h was 7-2 in Venus' favour. To summarise, its reasonable to state that the era in which these two were playing the closest to their absolute best simultaneously was 2000-2002, which Venus dominated. Prior to this when Hingis was in her prime and venus not, she owned the rivalry whereas the two matches they shared in 2006 during which both were not playing great (although Venus was having one of her worst ever seasons in particular) they shared the spoils 1-1. Therefore Venus at her best > Hingis at hers (although both legendary players, amongst the best ever)
@@aaronwilkins1843 , you've demonstrated why statistics are called damn lies. You've selectively chosen the period from the 99 Grandslam Cup to the 2006 Warsaw Cup which most favor Williams, but it's exactly that...cherry picking. The Williams sisters were competitive basically from the moment they joined the WTA so this narrative that their losses at the beginning of their career don't count is dubious at best. Venus Williams was in the US Open final in 1997 (where she was admittedly overwhelmed by the occasion in the first set), but none of her fans want to count this year. Let me play the same game. Everyone knows that Hingis was a shell of her self after her 2001 Australian Open loss to Capriati so let me not count her 2 losses to Venus from that time to her first retirement. Meanwhile, I'll grant you the 97 losses to Hingis don't count for Venus. That still leaves their record 8-8. 9-8 for Hingis if I count their 1997 US Open match I agree with you that they both will deserve their place in the Hall of Fame, but this ridiculous narrative which was helped spread by the biased American media that Hingis was overshadowed once the new wave of power took hold is tiresome and wrong
A lot of people tend to think of Venus as the grass Queen, however, she is a proven all-surface, well rounded player with amazing Clay court results to compliment her record. She is the true G.O.A.T 🎾👑
Venus in her prime had incredible athleticism, movement, DTL shots (that really created most of the openings for her) and even more touch. After 2003, she was still a good athlete but she lost a step and her backhand DTL slowly disappeared. Interestingly in the late 2000s and 2010s, I feel she developed a much better forehand. She had a great one DTL in the late 2000s and she developed the inside out later in the 2013-2017 phase of her game.
It's is interesting that Venus and Hingis last 3 meetings was on Clay. After this match they played twice on Clay in 2006 in Warsaw and Rome when Hingis return from retirement
This Venus was much better than the one dimensional baseliner we know and tend to perceive today. Whatever physical conditions or however near hiatus Hingis was in 2002, she played great here as well.
Venus is not one dimensional at all....2017 Wimbledon. The serving, forehand and movement were all more dynamic than ever before. She just isn't able anymore to be as consistent, and to be honest nobody has managed to be when they get to near 40 years old
This kind of high level from Venus against a crafty player liker Hingis is impressive.... I still think peak Venus is more dominate in play than Peak Serena and Peak Steffi.... 2001 US Open, 2008 Wimbledon, 2000 Pilot Pen Tennis was just ruthless tennis with her game....
2002 was venus peak year, only to be peaked by serena. however, 2002 french open final was questionable. venus was winning all her 6 matches with ease, while serena was struggling. all of the sudden came to the final she lost to serena in straight sets.
Unfortunately Hingis 'problems were that her weapons or weakness fell into her opponents weapons. Vs Graf her down the line was eerily pulverized by the fraulein missile, vs Davenport and Venus she faced the onslaught of heavier and better height angled backhand shots, and her forehand became heavily exposed to their far superior backhands to the Hingis mostly defensive forehand. Capriatis's forehand neutralized or superseded her backhand and completely cannibalized her timid forehand and so goes the history..
Love watching her play when she times the ball like she did in this match virtually unbeatable .... her ground game is so hot and cold usually odd years favors Venus at Wimbledon just get one more before u retire we all believe In u !!!
peak Venus is the best WTA player in history, although peak Serena comes close. Peak Graf, peak Seles, peak Henin, peak Evert etc...... are awesome too but this Venus? Unbeatable.
At this stage of.venus's career hingis was.no compation..just like when hingis was at her height hingis was just handling venus but venus earlier on her career she would show greatness then would just make so much mistakes and inforce errors..but when she clean all that up with her diet and good work outs she was unstoppable.this was their last meeting before hingis retired the first time
Watch this, then watch Graf's prime post-stabbing competition. No wonder she racked up Slams with her only competition out. Who in their right mind would ever watch this and think ASV, Martinez, MJ Fernandez, or Sabatini would ever compare? Sycophants.
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in her prime Venus' game was incredible! A huge serve, proper powerful groundstrokes that hit deep into the court, combined with that incredible movement and speed. I really do love the contribution Venus has had in tennis history, proper inspiring player with all her health setbacks.
Man watching this just shows how good both players were. I miss this Venus, she would still be in the top 5 if her health didn’t fail her.
Absolutely.
@@Skirne yeah, she started to have problems with her body ,SERENA TOO.
You betcha. That backhand was firing and her movement was gazelle-like. I love Serena to death, but we have to give Venus credit. When she was in full flight she was a nightmare!
As good as she was. I dont really miss the old Venus. Her game today is just much more solid and much more trickier. The only problem she has these days is her serve arent working as well as it used to and she looks fatigue basically all the time.
@bigray1999 You really put Osaka and Keys in comparaison with a prime Venus? none of them would take more than 4 games in a set against a prime Venus on any surface...Venus is 35+ yo she cant be as powerful or quick like she was at 22 thats all
I remember everyone saying Venus and Serena were ‘all power’ when they came out and true, there’s no question they brought the most power we’ve seen - but anyone can see what a good court feel Venus has here. Hingis is the Queen of using every inch of the court to her advantage and Venus is replying in her own way, drop shots, everything.
True man. Martina was considered a better clay court player than Venus, but this matchup clearly shows how well Venus could play on clay. Her strokes, court coverage, use of power and shot selection is clear in this match.
10:07 Tell me what other player can play a point like that? Venus was scary in her hay day, man. When she's moving well, crushing the backhand, and approaching the net consistently - there's no one that can stay with her. Even Serena would tell you that.
Venus showed off so much variety here - the wide angles, slice backhands, dropshots etc. I feel like Venus's skillset overall is underrated.
I don't think it's underrated. It just got overshadowed by Serena. 😳
Holy cow! Venus played like it was in hardcourt with so much variety in her game.
This version of Venus is so world class that in my opinion no one could beat her including Serena, Graf, and Navratilova. The soft hands, killer serve, incredible placement of shot selection, getting so low for her shots, and wall like defense is truly something to behold. There is not one player on the tour in 2019 that plays at this level. And no one has Venus' movement and speed. Amazing!
Even so, she has not even won Half of what the other Actual top players have, and that says a lot against your logic.
@@markuse3472 If this Venus was playing in Hamburg during Steffi's "reign" there would have been a 2nd stabbing. And then Steffi could waltz easily through successive Slams.
Matt Liechty This has nothing to do with this video. Why not concentrate on what’s in front of you rather than focus on a non event...
@@mattliechty1269 If Venus had played during Steffi's reign, her screaming and howling would have been halted on the spot and would have won only half as many, maybe less since her training and coaching would have been as that of the late 1980s and early/mid 1990s, with much less power.
You have to look at the whole package, though. Even in her prime, Venus was a very erratic player. That's what held her back throughout her career.
Venus made this court play like a Hard court because of her world class movement. This is the attribute of speed and then movement but it's rare to have both at a world class level.That's how in the zone her game was and to move like this on clay is unheard of. Maybe Graf had this level of movement on clay on her best days. No one else was this quick on clay while being so balanced. You expect to see this type of balance only on a hard court but not on clay and especially red clay which is heavier and slows you down.
You'd think Venus had been playing on clay all her life!
@@michelez715 Agree!
Judging by the court acoustics, this was indoors which would've definitely helped Venus I think since she liked fast conditions. But Venus had a great game for clay, in my opinion she just did not have the patience for it.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k I agree with you. Power hitters and especially aggressive players tend to enjoy the attribute of patience less. Venus Williams and her sister changed the way tennis is played. Extraordinary legendary players.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k actually if you watch the match at 9:05 you will notice there is not a ceiling to this large fishbowl arena. It's the shape of this structure which explains the acoustic sound.
What a wonderful match.
Some wonderful tennis from both players, and a great reminder of how good Venus used to be.
I like that technique she used where she never misses a shot.
2002 Venus & Serena were another level. they were most strongest in tennis history.
there would've had to have been 2 stabbings for Steffi to compete in 2002
@@mattliechty1269 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mattliechty1269 that part
@@mattliechty1269 no you didn't 🤣
Yaaaaaaas Queenus! Amazing play and movement on clay!!
Venus's forehand volley technique is just flawless!
Venus was on top of the world. She had it all
Omg it’s a absolute pleasure to watch Venus at her best. Yes, Venus may not of had the most consistent career but I truly believe at her best no one and I mean no one ever (even Serena) would have beaten her! Just amazing
12:58 🎩 Martina Quality Hinguis 👑
Both were amazing. This Hingis right here (even though she lost to Vee) would have easily taken out the likes of Kerber, Halep, Svitolina, Osaka and the Czech girls. Vee was just on another level.
No she won't. Osaka will destroy her puff serves.
12:28 Prime Venus.. Hingis had nothing for her. The Williams sisters totally revolutionised the game
Head to head Hingis vs Venus Williams 11:10
@@derhinko2359 .........most of Hingis' wins were NOT during Venus' prime....
@@aaronwilkins1843 , what a tiresome, cliche argument. They were the same age. Some of Venus's wins weren't during Hingis's prime
@@dissonantvibe8585 Age has nothing to do with being in one's 'prime'. By 1997, Hingis was already a Grand slam champion and 1997 was her absolute best year- 3 titles and FO finalist to boot. 1999 was her third best year at the slams and also overall win percentage (85%). Venus meanwhile would not reach a slam final between losing to her at the USO 1997 and 2000 when she began to move into her prime, and 1999 was in terms of her overall year's win %, her 6th best year (82%). They played eachother more times in 1999 than any other splitting the difference at 3 wins a piece. As established, in terms of form, Hingis was close to her best here while Venus still had significant mileage. In 2000-2002 (despite Hingis shortly occupying the No.1 position in early 2000 and again in early 2001 and having her second best season (9 titles and 89% win rate), Venus dominated winning 5 of 6 matches. This was even before what was in terms of titles won (7) and finals (and perhaps even quality) her very best year of 2002. Prior to this, the h2h was 7-2 in Venus' favour. To summarise, its reasonable to state that the era in which these two were playing the closest to their absolute best simultaneously was 2000-2002, which Venus dominated. Prior to this when Hingis was in her prime and venus not, she owned the rivalry whereas the two matches they shared in 2006 during which both were not playing great (although Venus was having one of her worst ever seasons in particular) they shared the spoils 1-1. Therefore Venus at her best > Hingis at hers (although both legendary players, amongst the best ever)
@@aaronwilkins1843 , you've demonstrated why statistics are called damn lies. You've selectively chosen the period from the 99 Grandslam Cup to the 2006 Warsaw Cup which most favor Williams, but it's exactly that...cherry picking.
The Williams sisters were competitive basically from the moment they joined the WTA so this narrative that their losses at the beginning of their career don't count is dubious at best. Venus Williams was in the US Open final in 1997 (where she was admittedly overwhelmed by the occasion in the first set), but none of her fans want to count this year.
Let me play the same game. Everyone knows that Hingis was a shell of her self after her 2001 Australian Open loss to Capriati so let me not count her 2 losses to Venus from that time to her first retirement. Meanwhile, I'll grant you the 97 losses to Hingis don't count for Venus. That still leaves their record 8-8. 9-8 for Hingis if I count their 1997 US Open match
I agree with you that they both will deserve their place in the Hall of Fame, but this ridiculous narrative which was helped spread by the biased American media that Hingis was overshadowed once the new wave of power took hold is tiresome and wrong
A lot of people tend to think of Venus as the grass Queen, however, she is a proven all-surface, well rounded player with amazing Clay court results to compliment her record. She is the true G.O.A.T 🎾👑
Venus in her prime had incredible athleticism, movement, DTL shots (that really created most of the openings for her) and even more touch. After 2003, she was still a good athlete but she lost a step and her backhand DTL slowly disappeared. Interestingly in the late 2000s and 2010s, I feel she developed a much better forehand. She had a great one DTL in the late 2000s and she developed the inside out later in the 2013-2017 phase of her game.
Venus moved like a gazelle!😘
It's is interesting that Venus and Hingis last 3 meetings was on Clay. After this match they played twice on Clay in 2006 in Warsaw and Rome when Hingis return from retirement
So good!!
martina touched the net @11:14 surely the ump saw that and gave V the point haha
This Venus was much better than the one dimensional baseliner we know and tend to perceive today. Whatever physical conditions or however near hiatus Hingis was in 2002, she played great here as well.
Venus is not one dimensional at all....2017 Wimbledon. The serving, forehand and movement were all more dynamic than ever before. She just isn't able anymore to be as consistent, and to be honest nobody has managed to be when they get to near 40 years old
Venus cuts rather a sad figure these days, imo, so it was good to see a reminder of how great she was, on clay to boot!
This kind of high level from Venus against a crafty player liker Hingis is impressive.... I still think peak Venus is more dominate in play than Peak Serena and Peak Steffi.... 2001 US Open, 2008 Wimbledon, 2000 Pilot Pen Tennis was just ruthless tennis with her game....
Venus please bring back that back hand to u r game...we all want to see to more
Venus graceful on clay.
I never understood why Venus was so good on clay back in time and suddenly became so bad ...
She lost her movement and flexibility.
Age
2002 was venus peak year, only to be peaked by serena. however, 2002 french open final was questionable. venus was winning all her 6 matches with ease, while serena was struggling. all of the sudden came to the final she lost to serena in straight sets.
She could not let go of her big sisterly image of Serena
Unfortunately Hingis 'problems were that her weapons or weakness fell into her opponents weapons. Vs Graf her down the line was eerily pulverized by the fraulein missile, vs Davenport and Venus she faced the onslaught of heavier and better height angled backhand shots, and her forehand became heavily exposed to their far superior backhands to the Hingis mostly defensive forehand. Capriatis's forehand neutralized or superseded her backhand and completely cannibalized her timid forehand and so goes the history..
Gran partido de Venus!! Aunq Hingis no jugó a su nivel..
I love martina hingis
The Williams sisters ends a lot of these women career
Love watching her play when she times the ball like she did in this match virtually unbeatable .... her ground game is so hot and cold usually odd years favors Venus at Wimbledon just get one more before u retire we all believe In u !!!
Only Venus could equally challenge Serena. Venus was the queen of swinging the balls all over the court with so much power and precision
peak Venus is the best WTA player in history, although peak Serena comes close. Peak Graf, peak Seles, peak Henin, peak Evert etc...... are awesome too but this Venus?
Unbeatable.
Good lord this Venus would beat the modern top 10 at least 6-1 6-2 with just spinning in second serves and coming from a 3 month lay off.
Prime Venus struggling against Hingis on one leg (she would later skip the whole clay season) and near retirement. Says it all.
That was Venus. Imperious, athletic, mobile, powerful and merciless. Hingis came unhinged. She had no other option in front of Venus.
At this stage of.venus's career hingis was.no compation..just like when hingis was at her height hingis was just handling venus but venus earlier on her career she would show greatness then would just make so much mistakes and inforce errors..but when she clean all that up with her diet and good work outs she was unstoppable.this was their last meeting before hingis retired the first time
So it is possible to have a video with at least the game score showing.
This Venus would have won that years French if little sis wasn't there.
why is venus wearing the same outfit since the aussie open ?
I love her( vee) specially when she def.hingis
Watch this, then watch Graf's prime post-stabbing competition. No wonder she racked up Slams with her only competition out. Who in their right mind would ever watch this and think ASV, Martinez, MJ Fernandez, or Sabatini would ever compare? Sycophants.
Matt Liechty and if Steffi would have been playing the last 13 years she would have won 40 Grand Slams titles
@@thebluedanube8463 Then you woke up 😂
This Venus from early 2000's would beat anyone today. She used to hit the ball even harder than Petra brainless Kvitova
Venus was running very well.Kvitova cant run
This is where Venus tells Hingis to retire because she’s “too old” like Steffi.
Hahahaha
Better retire than getting spanked by nobodys at the age of 40
Graff would tee both of them a new asshole.
Hingis should beat Venus on clay.
two transvestites
No, neither of them has a dick
This is the real Venus Williams. Venus at her best is better than Serena at her best. Sisterly love just prevailed....