I've been watching the in play market recently and I think it is a minefield for the average punter. Only those with an edge like you highlighted in the video make it pay. Great content as usual, Caan.
David I suggest you look on another Betfair trading channel RUclips channel The man is using Total Performance in play live times he's set up bots which are destroying the market, A lot of people are cottoning on to this,
Hi Caan I was introduced to match betting, but eventually the opportunities dried up, but while searching for videos, I came across your great channel, since then I've been trading, many many thanks😊
I've thought about this quite a lot recently. Perhaps it's the optimist in me, but, I think predictive models can only get so good with regards to horse racing odds. The likes of Bet365 etc are undoubtedly already using AI, and their prices are fucking insanely good. Which brings me to my next point, bookmakers will always have their own books to balance, and as long as there are bookmakers, there will be poor value punters piling on favourites and upsetting their book. In addition to bookmakers always competing for near-top price in the market. So as far as bookmakers are concerned I think there will always be opportunities for us to take value. Exchange betting however is quite a different story, then again we've been on this constant curve with exchanges getting closer to true value with the increase in automation for some time now.
I suppose you have to consider the fact that AI and tech could get SO advanced that delays in market changes/books balancing happen before we even get a chance to place bets. But even with that said, there are certain markets where value is embedded into its core. Bad EW races for example. I don't think its possible to eradicate that value unless the industry moves to 1/6th place payouts and less places etc across the board. (What a terrible day that would be) Then again with this said, is it really likely that bookmakers will remove ALL value from betting? Seems as though if it became known that there is literally no way to come out on top, the industry would get an even worse reputation than it already has. Probably still wishful thinking from me again there but, it definitely is an equally exciting and terrifying time for tech
Yes Caan , that prince escalus last week was the last horse i backed , the jockey jj oneil jnr is the dogs bolls .. im very selective and only bet when im 100% sure
I made money backing on each way extra on a certain site, I would recieve reduced odds on a price but have a better chance has I would get 5 6, 7 places! I was in profit after 2 years and then they suspended my account! Best bet was £20 ew on a 20/1 in a 14 runner race but was giving 14/1 has I had the option of being placed in the first 7 places, and it won! Had a few like that! But now account been suspended for two years now and will not let me back 😂
Taking value from extra places is another thing they willingly advertise and then restrict if you actually do it. Bookies are criminal at the best of times.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I couldn't believe it, I was gutted 8 times out of 10 I was getting my stake money back as I was taking 5/1 ew extra minimum, so money back if placed. Disgusting behaviour.
@@CaanBerryProTrader yeah maybe I could have that mate ,I know the trainers are in the thick of it I've heard it from the horse's mouth ,thanks for reply .
I thought going to the race track 10 years ago and bet the winner has they crossed the winning line. only to find the winning horse was already at 1.01 before they even came around the last corner.(ASCOT)
Surprised there was no mention of TPD, that’s how it’s done these days at most tracks. It’s ruined a lot of in play, especially the AW. Really notice the difference at courses where it isn’t present like Cheltenham. Much better in play markets 👌🏻
@@James-lq1po TPD cover all atr tracks where the delay is around 3 seconds, it is also unreliable in some cases especially in horses crossing the line with a length of each other
There is of course a downside to it, not every horse that jumps the last in the lead wins,and of course there's always the risk of a last fence/hurdle.
Very well said and true how many favs in particular either fall at the last fence ,or get caught by some donkey ,this man mentions exploitation lol it's been that by horse trainers and bookies ,since it all began trainers rule this game ,as long as they keep supplying outsiders every day bookies are happy ,even not bothered about the trainers and through to jockeys ,having there cut through sophisticated betting regimes ,the only difference with this is jockeys and trainers ,know horses are going to win lol imaging knowing a winner ,well they do .
You can hedge out the risk if you want, though I imagine it would be better to take on the risk and maximize your expected value-at least for players with decent bankrolls which I imagine these guys have.
Cheating by rubbish punters, and hopefully will be stopped, cause jump jockeys are breaking every bone in their body to give entertainment to the public!!! Pure filth this!
Just a quick question please, how does social media groups influence the exchange, for example game stop price was influenced by social media groups beating wall street
@@CaanBerryProTrader hi cann i tried too bet a dog at 66s for this years greyhound derby was told stake too high so lowered it same again stake too high went again came back bet accepted but at 33s its an utter joke cann what a way too treat clients not a penny 66 but ask you too take 33s needless too say shut account firm goodwin racing a joke of an outfit cheers mate
Huge change. I wasn't sure it was you! Don't like, sounds bit robotic, but tbf the content is what's important, and you give great value and improve lives, so I could get used to it.
What about the comission? Is that 5% of all profit? If so when you stake 250 on a back to win £10 profit when it moves abit wouldn't the comission take more than its worth?
Why would they? Their sponsors don't want that... they pay a lot to keep up this fascade about "read the form" and "its a battle between bookie and punter". Because it's loaded dice.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Ahh yes, I know about this software thanks to your videos in the past. Which one has faster real-time results with lower latency for live football matches, Geekstoy or Bet365 ?
Each-Way Betting Strategy Loophole Revealed: ruclips.net/video/vcbxQ8ZGvGE/видео.html
I've been watching the in play market recently and I think it is a minefield for the average punter. Only those with an edge like you highlighted in the video make it pay. Great content as usual, Caan.
David I suggest you look on another Betfair trading channel RUclips channel The man is using Total Performance in play live times he's set up bots which are destroying the market, A lot of people are cottoning on to this,
I've made a mint from it. Whole box if After 8s to be precise
@Maximillian André Very good 👍
We need every angle we can get in this game.
Useless idea. Streaming TV regularly delays streaming by 5 seconds, and bet trading will empty your pocket sooner than you think
Hi Caan I was introduced to match betting, but eventually the opportunities dried up, but while searching for videos, I came across your great channel, since then I've been trading, many many thanks😊
Caan, you concerned at all about AI making markets so efficient that value will be a thing of the past?
I've thought about this quite a lot recently. Perhaps it's the optimist in me, but, I think predictive models can only get so good with regards to horse racing odds. The likes of Bet365 etc are undoubtedly already using AI, and their prices are fucking insanely good. Which brings me to my next point, bookmakers will always have their own books to balance, and as long as there are bookmakers, there will be poor value punters piling on favourites and upsetting their book. In addition to bookmakers always competing for near-top price in the market. So as far as bookmakers are concerned I think there will always be opportunities for us to take value. Exchange betting however is quite a different story, then again we've been on this constant curve with exchanges getting closer to true value with the increase in automation for some time now.
I suppose you have to consider the fact that AI and tech could get SO advanced that delays in market changes/books balancing happen before we even get a chance to place bets.
But even with that said, there are certain markets where value is embedded into its core. Bad EW races for example. I don't think its possible to eradicate that value unless the industry moves to 1/6th place payouts and less places etc across the board. (What a terrible day that would be)
Then again with this said, is it really likely that bookmakers will remove ALL value from betting? Seems as though if it became known that there is literally no way to come out on top, the industry would get an even worse reputation than it already has. Probably still wishful thinking from me again there but, it definitely is an equally exciting and terrifying time for tech
Yes Caan , that prince escalus last week was the last horse i backed , the jockey jj oneil jnr is the dogs bolls .. im very selective and only bet when im 100% sure
How much did you win?
@@CaanBerryProTrader e - mail incoming mate
I made money backing on each way extra on a certain site, I would recieve reduced odds on a price but have a better chance has I would get 5 6, 7 places!
I was in profit after 2 years and then they suspended my account!
Best bet was £20 ew on a 20/1 in a 14 runner race but was giving 14/1 has I had the option of being placed in the first 7 places, and it won!
Had a few like that!
But now account been suspended for two years now and will not let me back 😂
Taking value from extra places is another thing they willingly advertise and then restrict if you actually do it. Bookies are criminal at the best of times.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I couldn't believe it, I was gutted 8 times out of 10 I was getting my stake money back as I was taking 5/1 ew extra minimum, so money back if placed.
Disgusting behaviour.
@barty2381 Hey, friend? what website was that you used?
Hey, friend? what website was that you used?@@barty2381
So bent how the jockeys sleep at night is a mystery slimey rats .
To be honest, out of the industry they are one of the more innocent groups.
@@CaanBerryProTrader yeah maybe I could have that mate ,I know the trainers are in the thick of it I've heard it from the horse's mouth ,thanks for reply .
to any one wanting to bet in play stay away from atr tracks as delay is to big try ruk tracks instead will have a better chance
I thought going to the race track 10 years ago and bet the winner has they crossed the winning line. only to find the winning horse was already at 1.01 before they even came around the last corner.(ASCOT)
The most lucrative betting strategy is to never bet!!!!
Caan mate, get yourself some wrist supports for your keyboard and mouse.
Surprised there was no mention of TPD, that’s how it’s done these days at most tracks. It’s ruined a lot of in play, especially the AW. Really notice the difference at courses where it isn’t present like Cheltenham. Much better in play markets 👌🏻
TPD cover less than 40% of all courses.
Dont wanna even mention irish courses as they are not covered at all.
@@temp911Luke so what percentage of courses with decent in play liquidity do they cover. That’s the more important question.
What does TDP stand for?
@@landedthemoney total performance data
@@James-lq1po TPD cover all atr tracks where the delay is around 3 seconds, it is also unreliable in some cases especially in horses crossing the line with a length of each other
There is of course a downside to it, not every horse that jumps the last in the lead wins,and of course there's always the risk of a last fence/hurdle.
Very well said and true how many favs in particular either fall at the last fence ,or get caught by some donkey ,this man mentions exploitation lol it's been that by horse trainers and bookies ,since it all began trainers rule this game ,as long as they keep supplying outsiders every day bookies are happy ,even not bothered about the trainers and through to jockeys ,having there cut through sophisticated betting regimes ,the only difference with this is jockeys and trainers ,know horses are going to win lol imaging knowing a winner ,well they do .
You can hedge out the risk if you want, though I imagine it would be better to take on the risk and maximize your expected value-at least for players with decent bankrolls which I imagine these guys have.
the man! 😎👍🏻
Nice one, Caan 🙏
Cheating by rubbish punters, and hopefully will be stopped, cause jump jockeys are breaking every bone in their body to give entertainment to the public!!! Pure filth this!
Placing bets at bad value with ripoff bookies is hardly noble now is it? Or have I misunderstood you?
@@CaanBerryProTrader You have a good point, but there's wrong on both sides here.
Thanks Caan for another great video, have a good day
Thanks, hopefully it's an interesting one for everybody to watch!
Just a quick question please, how does social media groups influence the exchange, for example game stop price was influenced by social media groups beating wall street
@@CaanBerryProTrader hi cann i tried too bet a dog at 66s for this years greyhound derby was told stake too high so lowered it same again stake too high went again came back bet accepted but at 33s its an utter joke cann what a way too treat clients not a penny 66 but ask you too take 33s needless too say shut account firm goodwin racing a joke of an outfit cheers mate
I heard people make more money on cricket too like staying on the ground and den do over and under in the runs
Cricket and Tennis have been huge with this.
New Mic there is a big change in your voice compared to past videos
Better? Still not sure it's configured properly. Cheers!
Huge change. I wasn't sure it was you! Don't like, sounds bit robotic, but tbf the content is what's important, and you give great value and improve lives, so I could get used to it.
@@brettgrady1921 I thought the same! Higher pitched and honestly sounded like he was slurring at times 😬
Is this why my 4G doesn't work at Cheltenham?
You may notice at some tracks you can only use certain bookies via their WiFi too... All about the money.
Nice one, Caan 🙏
your voice sounds different lol
Ye was a microphone issue!
What about the comission? Is that 5% of all profit? If so when you stake 250 on a back to win £10 profit when it moves abit wouldn't the comission take more than its worth?
Very interesting video it goes to show you the racing post dont tell you the good stuff!
Why would they? Their sponsors don't want that... they pay a lot to keep up this fascade about "read the form" and "its a battle between bookie and punter". Because it's loaded dice.
@@CaanBerryProTrader what's wrong with reading the form? How else can we know a horse is worth putting on in our bets?
if a lot of people will actually get good at this, they will just increase the delay time. Anyway, nice video
Lots of money on the line, quite possible.
If you use it to.much they ban you of them all eventually.
never bet in play unless a natural long break like half time in football etc
You sound so different in this video. It's very weird 😕
New mic combo! Not sure it's set perfect yet, thanks for telling me.
Didn't really notice. Then I only listen intermittently.
I've given up with this bollocks.
Whats happened to your voice lol
I've heard of a similar betting angle regarding Tennis, betting the next point.
Yes, same sort of thing happens. Umpires put in the points manually some places too so an additional delay.
This again finished ages ago bookies have the 3 second delay and hardly bet on next point.
Bookies don't allow winners... when will people learn?
no it hasn't. you clearly are not doing it right. works in cricket too.@@manchester1972
I should coco 😂
No it won't
I have always bet on big outsiders e/w and do ok.
Big odds have the worst margins, EW isn't great unless you're betting a bad each way market or there are extra places.
RIP AP 😢
What is the name of that live tool and Where to get it ?
Geekstoy for Betfair
Wow, so they're flying drones above every race course meeting every day now?
yes and they are not cheap . technically there not above courses more to the side and above with very powerful cameras
You can see one in front of the horses at 2:15.
I had xcitations in that race 🤣
You had some Good Vibrations from that horse I assume?
This video is about 10 years too late
How so? Obviously still happening right now... you seen the example right? Obviously 10 years ago, as I said, it was ridiculously easy to exploit.
@@CaanBerryProTrader cause.everyone lost their accounts now. It's only new players out there now.
just buy other peoples then@@charlotteb6898
The software that displays betting odds on your left, what is it called?
Thank you
It's called geeks toy for Betfair.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Ahh yes, I know about this software thanks to your videos in the past.
Which one has faster real-time results with lower latency for live football matches, Geekstoy or Bet365 ?
Most lucrative betting strategy is not to place bets.
To only place value bets. There corrected it for you 😉
@@James-lq1po he didn't mean that.