Usually when we care enough to watch something (and most do care what Rogan says to an extent) and when what we are watching features two people having an emotionally elevated discussion about something we care about (especially questions of space and our existence) it would seem normal to me if those watching had an emotionally elevated response. But I hear you. Just a smug way of saying it. And a bit hypocritical since youre doing the exact same thing... Having an emotional response to other peoples emotional response about an emotional discussion in the video. Kind of bizarre really. And poorly worded. [Enter crying face emojis here]
@@bluedreamkush2392 My entire argument is that having an emotional response is normal given the context of the videos subject. But to answer your question, no. I was really just stating the obvious. I even said I understood what he was saying to an extent. Apparently simply suggesting a different point of view is taking something personal these days. Normally when someone takes something personal they use emotion in the argument. My response didn't really have any emotion aside for the slightly snide joke at the end. It read as a logical rebuttal to most people who can handle different points of view in my opinion. It actually seems like you didn't read anything I said or just didnt understand it for some reason.
But those beetles aren't light years away. It would be like going to pluto to study a pebble. Yeah we might learn something but it wouldn't be worth the trip.
Humans studying beetles does not mean hypothetically advanced creatures being interested in us. Pro-aliens projecting human attributes to unproven beings (whose nature and psychology is known to the tune of 0) is a crap argument.
@bennett theissen Hasn’t even been 1 year since Joke Biden took office and he’s already one of the worst presidents we’ve ever had. At least Trump got stuff done and was a leader and who also could complete a full sentence without forgetting what he was gonna say 😂😂😂
Certainly not far fetched. But not far fetched to think there is way more exciting stuff for aliens to study than us either. And most of us do not run around the woods looking at insects. And running around the woods and flying millions of miles to another planet are not exactly the same thing...
@@John-78 eh I’m not so sure a species so advanced is leveraging their “time” deciding which planets have more interesting or evolved animals while taking in consideration how many miles they’d have to travel to get there. Perhaps the sheer number of evolving planets spread throughout the universe giving our planet such little chance of being “visited” (as far as we know). But then again we’re all just brainstorming and hypothesizing right.. 😊
@@mangmang2000 If we gain the ability to travel the speed of light and start exploring the universe and discover lots of planets with life on it, we will have to start somewhere. I, myself, would not start with the planet of crazy somewhat hostile beings with nuclear weapons who spend an unbelievable amount of time and energy coming up with better and better ways to kill themselves. Thats the type of planet that might be hostile and I might let future generations deal with them...
Exactly! That's been my theory for a long time. Enjoy watching the monkey enclosure for a little while, then move on to the next attraction. Don't get too close though, they're still hostile and dangerous.
One more point I want to add, how do you study and run tests on a wild, unpredictable animal? Tranquilize/Sedate/Immobilize it. Most of the credible people with abduction stories claim they vaguely remember the details of the event, but a lot more information comes to surface while they're under hypnosis. Again, it's just a theory, but it's mind-blowing how many similarities are held between. It's too freakin interesting, I could talk about the topic for hours. Lol
I actually agree with Neil here but he didn’t have to talk down to Joe the way he did, he was ironically the one being childish, with that pretentious fake laughing, like they could have had a one and one like adults but no, NDT’s way too narcissistic to ever entertain that he could be wrong.
@Gh0stily111 You're an idiot if you agree with Neil. We literally are studying the elements of the nearest planet to us, but you think an advanced alien life form would not be interested in us?
You clearly don't know the difference between facts and opinions. You can be wrong on the facts, not on your opinions. Even opinions that ignore the facts aren't wrong, they're just stupid. In this case, Neil and Joe have opposing opinions, but since the facts regarding what aliens might actually be interested in are literally unknown, both opinions are merely whimsical conjecture, and therefore neither wrong nor stupid. Your comment, on the other hand ...
@@trentirvin2008 I feel we're talking about different things. Unique at what level? As individuals for example we are unique in our personal experiences although we could compare that to all experience ever across a spectrum it still will be unique in a some way.. what do you mean?
@@doni654321 Neil is a science popularizer and that's about it. He is clinging to the status quo of "aliens is pseudoscience", because that is what he teaches: simple, neopositivist, intraparadigmatic platitudes (cynicism and rigidity). He is not a revolutionary scientist; he does not innovate, he does not push the boundaries. He is very much a dogmatist.
His stance on this issue makes no sense. If there's an alien civilization more technologically advanced than us it doesn't even mean that they themselves are a more advanced species. That's like saying humans today are more advanced as a species as hunter gatherers when in reality we're biologically the same and the only difference is our understanding of the world and the technology that we have.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 To get to intergalactic levels of social organization, you would need extremely advanced sociocultural development, which is of course somewhat biologically contigent, but it may also depend heavily on geology (imagine aliens with ~infinite natural resources). If our society consisted of only socially ideal humans, maybe we could pull it off, but the challenge is to get all humans through that bottleneck.
@@jvlaina That's not true at all. We have scientist studying stars, planets, parts of the galaxy that we will never reach or interact with, and yet we pour resources into studying them. Do you really think that if we found signs of intelligent life on Mars we wouldn't study it? It's not on Earth so it doesn't impact us. If aliens are real, and they found us, of course they are going to study us. We might not BE impacted by them, but we for sure impact them, Since they found us, we are literally in their coverage zone.
@@drb9677 For all we know, we could be the first intelligent life they've come across, or we're one of many to compare among others. I could totally see them studying us either way.
A highly advanced civilization could have developed the technology to study thousands of solar systems with life. Why then expend the resources to come here to see a fairly inept and violent example of primitive life when you have more important things to worry about, like building Dyson spheres? Humans really need to stop placing themselves at the center of the universe. Maybe if we had then fewer of our planet's species would now be extinct and the world wouldn't be full of trash and pollutants.
@@RiceBiomedicine There's a lot of reasons. If they have biologists, they would probably want a sample of each type of organism on earth just to see what unique genes exist on earth or what resources can be collected from certain organisms. That's what our biologists do. Also, if their technology is so advanced, a trip to earth might not even be particularly taxing on their resources. We have no idea.
Or maybe just maybe the brilliant Astro Physicist that is one of the great minds of our time knows a little more about space than Joe Rogan.. MAYBE. Maybe a bird knows the skies a little more than a squirrel. Just sayin.
That's because to Rogan things like nukes is super high tech and complex. While people like me, a quantum physicists, it's nothing complex and the only real difficult part is enriching the material to weapon grade. Otherwise a nuke can be as simple as slamming to pieces of enriched material together with some moderators and neutron reflectors. Or just imploding an enriched core using high explosives. And I don't think it's we aren't interesting enough to study but that we aren't interesting enough to come here themselves. Since FTL isn't possible making any journey take hundreds of years. Also we only got interesting within the last few hundred years. Meaning only stars within a hundred light years even have a chance of noticing us. There's only like 76 Stars within 100 light years of us.
The thing is, I don’t have a fucking clue what ants are up to when I look down at them so it’s only interesting for a brief moment. So, then I draw some circles in the dirt to confuse them and get back to my day
Joose-pin If they can traverse the universe and are already viewing/interacting with our planet, making a crop circle would take a second. It's like OP said, it's just to mess with the ants for his own amusement. They probably don't even view the result, leave it and forget it.
@XLgaming He's not. Sam Harris is a thinker. Jordan Peterson is a thinker. NGT is an astrophysicist and a bottom rung one at that. His popularity comes from his bombastic personality, not because he's the smartest in his field... just fyi.
@Cryptic Hippie He is just blowing off variables that Joe is presenting and presenting his opinion as fact with no backing. I am not a fan of NDT from his arrogance and closemindedness alone.
@@patricklawler7650 When it comes to astronomy but that’s about it. He shouldn’t be taken seriously, he’s wrong about so many things and rejects things just because they don’t conform to his worldview.
@@TyrellWellickEcorp He's skeptical about extraordinary claims, like any trained scientist is. People that lack science backgrounds misinterpret that skepticism that is ingrained in the scientific method as arrogance. It's not. It's required for properly testing hypotheses and evaluating conclusions.
Imagine if we were the only other life they have found despite being able to travel so far? How can a man that smart not think of something that simple?
Neil is one of those people that even if they find your point interesting or that it’s something they agree with they’re just going to laugh and say you’re wrong because every social interaction is a way to one up and feel higher than someone to them.
there are people who devote their entire life's work to studying a certain species of bugs so the idea of aliens being interested in an entire planet full of life isn't that far-fetched
i dont think neil means interest mostly as in educational curiosity, i think he means it in respect and aknoladge as an inteligent species, aliens that had such tech to find us in the universe let alone come to us, would very likely have litle interest it self, such advance civilizations wouldnt need much interaction of even proximity to knows us back and forth and understand us, and lets say they did it would be awefull for us i cant imagine a version of a story where aliens come to earth would benefit us, the best case scenario we would be mapped as a planet with alien life to them and they would just keep an eye on us without our awareness so they dont interfeer in any way he clearly opens up with mentioning "making circles in crops" ironicly saying that our idea that aliens would even be detected in such stupid manners and would be on earth to kidnap some nobody from the fields of america for experimentation is absurd joe then goes in this satirical pretty well made rant about the many flaws of humans, but that being said we are so behind a species that can travel the universe and so bound to our principles of normality, that we would look to aliens the same way the dumbest animal/bug on our plannet looks to us, and based on the animal interactions we know, it isnt hard to say the kind of respect for lesser life and how it translates to action
@@mafs1996 you are right on that. What's fascinating about us is irrelevant to a highly intelligent and advanced species comming from light years away for their own cause. To visit Earth from a distant space in the first place Aliens would need to pass the evolutinary thrash hold of being a Type 3 or at least type 2 civilisation. These are barriers we would need another 1 or 2 billion years to exceed. These kind civilisations are capable of extracting a whole galaxies resources. Compared to that we are a type 0.1 civilisation which means we are only able to extract only Earths resources. We can't even imagine the level of intelligence these lifeforms posses. It would far exceed the characteristics of gods mentioned in the books. And when we think of God we don't think of his fascination with us but rather as an absolute being. If aliens exist that are capable of reaching us they likely would have already seen, lived or experienced in someway our form of life. And If they do visit us it would be for a definite cause not for the thrill rides we take to the moon or mars.
@@yoshimitsu8643 i agree, based on what we know of physics and life in general the idea of inteligent civilizations from other planets ever encoutering already starts to look slim, because of the preditcable life span of such species and the time it takes to develop to that state, but again all these are insanely far fetched supositions to things we dont understand yet, we havent even found unicelular life outside of earth and i think until we do, every aspect of it will be a wild prediction, what baffles me is the "humanization" of everything its the new falacy that everything spins around the earth but with humans, inteligent alien life might be so different we that if it was introduced to our civilization atm who guarantes we could understand it at all? somehow people alrealy projeect human emotions and interest on them 😂
@@yoshimitsu8643 We’re a pretty advanced species on this planet and we’re still absolutely fascinated by things as minuscule as how bees choose a queen. I don’t think we’re likely the most fascinating beings in the universe, but I’m quite sure that an advanced civilization would find us interesting, peculiar or just strange.
@@idontevenlikemoney At least he's honest about it. I've never seen NDT admits he could be wrong about something. He just laughs it off, exactly like in this very example.
I met a professor or microscopy who had ants pinned up all over his office walls. So the whole "we may be like ants to these aliens, why would we interest them" argument always just made me certain that a few aliens would be interested. If scientists found primitive life on another planet they would absolutely go ape shit.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Put it this way. If we (intelligent life) found life on another planet (like Mars) with some kind of probe we had sent up then we would be studying it for decades no matter how basic the life was. Its not unreasonable to speculate that another form of intelligent life from another planet would be interested in us.
@@Jon.A.Scholt yes, but..... we study the hell out of other species also, especially if newly discovered. Children used to have ant farms. Also..... How do you know they aren’t human?
@@Mikeygrecordings you misunderstand me. I am pointing out that it's a terrible analogy. Studying other people of your species is nothing like studying life from another planet. Edit: rereading this I regret saying "terrible". It comes off as needlessly mean and cruel which was not at all my intent. So I would switch it to a "problematic analogy". All too often there is no chance for any kind of meaningful discourse because of the language like I used there. Especially when it is between two strangers debating an idea in good faith. Sadly however when people write a statement like that it is often intended to be callous and unkind. Without the face to face interactions and a degree of anonymity keyboard bullies feel invulnerable and it is something I despise. Note: that's not to say I won't use strong language when it is necessary, but in this case I obviously feel the word "terrible" was a terrible choice. So Jon (BTW I am a 'Jon' without the H as well. On top of that I'm not a Jonathon either), I hope you took no offense to my critique of your "Amazon analogy" and if you did I hope you understand that was not my intention.
Im with Joe the whole "we aren't that interesting why would they come here" argument is jus infuriating. Like sure we may be millenniums behind but to assume they would have no interest in us is so silly to me. There are a million things or reasons they could be REALLY interested in what we are doing.
Also we might have some sort of resource that they want. We have no idea how they operate. Maybe our fear gives them energy, maybe they're perverts and they want to kidnap and rape us, maybe the more of us that are alive the more energy they get. Maybe watching us is just funny to them. We have no idea. But it's absurd for Neil to think that in a universe seemingly so devoid of life, a lifeform as advanced as ours would categorically not be interesting to any other species. Ludicrous, in fact.
I think the argument only holds up if the aforementioned visitors have only visited a few planets with life. If they've been to plenty it's probably more like "who cares?" Then again we're applying a "human rationality" to it, so who really knows.
I can for sure see what you mean perhaps its a selfish sorta prism. But I also like to think sure maybe they can traverse galaxies really fast and as a result seen lots of life and different lifeforms then maybe we are the most evolved. Maybe even if its jus the top 20 of advanced lifeforms they come across then thats enough to gather some attention so who really knows but it is really cool to discuss the infinite amount of possibilities.
We could be as interesting for aliens as animals are interesting for us. We created zoos and we go on safaris, and if a lion sniffs another lion's ass we don't insult him but take note.
We created zoos for captured animals that cant be released, allowing people to see these animals for a small fee is how they get the money to keep them there, trying to act like zoos are for human interest is pretty disninegouos.
@@BigScewleo Acting like they're not for human interest is pretty disingenuous, too. It's a thing thousands of families do for fun, and if it's a halfway decent zoo, there will be info cards outside most of the habitats and probably plushies that match the animals at the zoo for parents to buy their kids. Yes, zoos have multiple purposes outside of being an entertainment source for humans, but they are totally an entertainment source for humans. In fact, the business model for maintaining zoos doesn't work otherwise.
@@beepboopbleep3695 you’re not understanding what he’s saying clearly. We go to see these animals in these cages. In the cases of aliens. we are those animals in the cages.
@@ablisfy So for the aliens we're like hanging around all the humans but really we're from the "Africa" of space where we were probably tigers or black people or something and we don't even know it. I mean I get what your saying but I think it's still better than a farm.
Neils certainty is not what i correlate with intelligence, Joe Rogan made an excellent point, they could visit for 1 million reasons, but to say humans are not interesting from the perspective of a life form you don’t even know what or where is, is not smart at all.
There's a reason Tyson is an astrophysicist and not an anthropologist. He's interested in space, not as interested in people. Just two guys interested in different things.
joe's knows comedy, mma and trt... he opines way out of his league constantly for money, nobody should take anything he says seriously. he sells woo from his spotify mountain, another reason not to trust him.
@@abstractdaddy1384 He just takes himself too seriously so he assume other beings would too. The reality is you don't know. We may be really boring compared to other planets. The most advanced civilizations may already know everything about us for all we know. Or they may just laugh at us.
Yeah but Joe is neither. I mean don't get me wrong, I love his podcast and all but he's "celebrating" all the aspects of humans that make us deplorable. I mean to a lot of people what he mentioned there is a major turn off, now imagine a advanced enlightened civilization?
Joe learned how to combat Neils arrogance finally. He would always talk in a condescending manner and would never let Joe feel remotely intelligent. Good shit Joe. Good shit.
Why do we assume the aliens are visiting Earth to study us? In favour of both arguments, we're probably like the annoying mosquitos pestering the biologists that just want to study the highly evolved lifestyle of ants!
@@SupremeIntentionCrew Well, I think that is a little over the top too, but that is a different point than the OP's point about him aiming to take the joy out of things. His whole MO is trying to inspire joy and wonder, even if you don't like him personally.
You're doing Gods work man and despite your lack of a cape, I assume, you're still a hero! I heard a 30 second clip of this and of course my mind couldn't get the memory right and because of your upload, I'm super close to finding the entire podcast episode becauseI want to listen!
I thought that was pretty funny. I'm assuming he's referring to Hiroshima. Which was 1945. But there was also Nagasaki in the same year. Nevermind the countless tests that have been done.
I personally believe there's something visiting this planet. There's more and more legitimate evidence all of the time. It's totally fine if people disagree, that amount of skepticism is healthy and normal. Its Tyson's smug attitude towards people that have different opinions that really bothers me. He's probably the most smug famous person in the scientific community that I'm aware of.
Nope lmao he just saying facts facts ! Fascinating to whom he is asking? So you believe there’s “something” visiting this planet lmao like what? What evidence is there lmao 🤡
Joe supports his position and makes a much more compelling argument than Tyson. Tyson just makes assertions without supporting them as if his word alone is proof.
Joe also not really supporting this. It's all more assumptions, there's no way of knowing what would make the aliens visit us. They're having a healthy debate but people don't wanna see it that way.
It's so incredibly bizarre how Neil's hero Carl Sagan posited all the reasons we would eventually encounter alien species and yet he is the biggest alien denier around. Thinking scientifically means keeping open possibilities until all alternatives are impossible. Aliens aren't impossible, yet Neil continues to use outdated arguments against them. I get it - he wants those reasons to be proven false, but he never says "Yeah we just don't know yet". He just says its probably not aliens. Why is it probably not?
Asking for evidence is not being a denier its being a scientist...and Sagan may have said why we might encounter other life, would also fall in the evidence camp.
wouldn’t advanced life want to study the less advanced? Why else would you explore the cosmos if not to look for other things you can study/communicate with
Not really, if they're an advanced species 1000x more enlightened than us, it would mean they can't learn anything from us. They'd want to find other species more advanced than themselves that they could learn from.
@@joerogaine3093 They could have very well moved far past fascinations with biological life and moved onto any other number of things. At that point, I imagine they'd be more interested in black-holes and doing endless experiments with them. There's probably more than enough curiosities in relation to black holes to satisfy an advanced species for practically eternity. Honestly, species may be simplistic of an idea for them at that point, with the idea of organic and robo-mechanical mediums for life possibly being seen as simplistic and one of very many ways it manifests. Joe always goes on about how not smart he is, trying to appear humble and avoiding blame for some of the stupid things he says but when it comes to this, he stops caring and lets the flurry of pseudo-intellectual non-critical-thinking BS just fling forward without any restraint. The idea of alien life is interesting but it truly is his blind-spot for objective debate.
It's people like Neil that give scientists and science a bad name and make it unappealing to a lot of laymen out there. That kind of smug, dismissive, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude. Scientists can be their own worst enemy. I mean, I dont agree with that assessment, but I can understand it. They need to start engaging with these kinds of arguments rather than smugly chuckling and dismissing them. We are a fascinating species. The entire Earth is fascinating. To act like aliens wouldnt be interested in us is just absurd. Earth might be the only planet with life for billions of lightyears. That a lone makes us worth studying.
@Azo because neil's own argument (which is just a dismissal, he's too self assured to argue) is that superior species would not engage in research of lesser ones. That is the sole function of large swathes of the sciences. He's a fucking idiot because he rests his laurels on his current convictions rather than using reason to see possibilities. He's the kind of person who thought air wasn't real because we can't see it - needs proof before he accepts something as even being possible.
@Azo he's speculating completely on one) their interests at all and two) the divergence of their iinterests. There exists 0 evidence to determine either if those things so hard anchoring a position at all on this in order to establish intent infantile. In Neil's world incomplete information doesn't exist so he has to naively full the gaps so his brain can handle it
You could use Neils “Data” arguments right back at him. You could say “Well show me the data that we’re not interesting?” Or “Show me data that provides evidence no alien space craft exists”. Neil often uses this data point when it fits his argument but never uses it other then to say something is false. It kinda drives me nuts.
Because the guy is a douche bag, lol. The best way to deal with an asshole like him is just keep changing the subject. You'd be quickly amazed how life experiences can take the wind out of someone who thinks they know it all. Not to mention the conversations are more inclusive to both parties and don't have a condescending tone like this narcissistic tool that needs someone to agree with his every word...right? right? Ok...right? Do you see what I'm saying? Do you understand? Right? Guys a dick.
I mean we are interesting for other species if those other species were confirmed but yet no one has confirmed it bc no one knows Okay my guy pls send me clear videos of unidentified spacefrafts,not ones wheee you hardly shee shit and only see a black dot in the sky,these videos you can nevee confirm them 100% even less when the video quality is bullcrap,the day we can get and hd video of an unidentified spacecraft,that day we can confirm em,but we still havent seen em so we cannot say they exist,like you all think they do
@@rodrigocisneros3166 lots of people have seen them. I seen a group of them in the south of France in the early 90s all fly over head at once, it made the French news the next day. Maybe you could check out the "westall incident" on RUclips about a mass Australian sighting, it's very interesting.
Joe is right here. We can break it down into simpler terms, take the following, "we're like ants to them!" Okay, apply that same proposed logic that a greater lifeform might have to our galaxy: You and your people wander through an endless sea of sand for generations, possibly eons. Then, one day, you find an anthill. *Don't tell me you wouldn't stop to look at it.*
lol close mindedness is what people say when they have zero evidence for the claims they are making and want you to believe some bullshit point of view.
This. Every time i hear americans talk about people, black people, white people, cancel culture, rape culture, gender politics, preferred pronouns, all the big hitters in the U.S in the last couple of years... it's made abundantly clear to me that Americans have no idea just how insular those topics are to the U.S. . Not that they don't apply elsewhere, but they're nowhere near the shitfight they are in the United States.
I love the multitudes of people commenting who possess an eighth of the education and intellect of NDT but call him arrogant. Trump loves the uneducated and boy did he hit the goldmine in Rogan admirers 😂
I hate this argument against aliens "ohh WHY would they come to us" man who tf knows, doesn't mean there isn't evidence of some weird shit going down. Just because you can't find their purpose while judging it based on your own thoughts and aspirations doesn't disqualify all the evidence of ufos. It's like saying "oh WHY would the apple fall from the tree?? What is to be gained?? The ground isn't so interesting hahahhahah."
These are the conversations I like. Two different opinions that are talked out. Even if one side “wins” the argument, they can walk away considering what the other has said.
He is unbelievably shallow. He is good at creating a space where guests can say interesting stuff. Yet even though he talks with some of the smartest people around for hours each, he never changes his views or gains facility talking about anything other than the stuff he personally does.
Astrophysicists aren't pseudoscientists. It's one of the most scientifically rigorous fields of study there is. Your statement is completely nonsensical. Humans don't matter in the grand scale of things. Dr. Tyson didn't invent this concept. It comes from Carl Sagan's pale blue dot concept, which itself comes from previous scholars. Humans believing they're an extra special component of the universe is a medieval concept that we've moved beyond with the advent of modern technology.
@@RiceBiomedicine you’re just like Tyson, you like to hear yourself use your big words and you regurgitate the same crap he says. I never said humans mattered in grand scale of things. People like you like to use “science” to stroke your massive egos.
@@colin6603 You explicitly criticized Tyson for your belief that he thinks humans don't matter. Why criticize that then? This has nothing to do with egos. You just said a lot of nonsensical things so you deserve to be called out for that.
I think we would be interesting to aliens because we're half-baked in a way. We're halfway thorugh the scale between wild animal and supercomputer, and the chances of finding a species at that specific point of their evolution must be astronomically small considering how big the universe is and how most interplanetary species out there must be millions of years old.
Aliens could be like scientists studying different species across the universe. They are most likely open minded to how life takes on different forms probably alot less ego than us to.
"they are most likely" you don't even have the evidence to claim "most likely" because you still have to demonstrate they exist in the first place to know how they would "most likely" act.
Fascinating that Joe doesn't get that everything he says is fascinating is only fascinating to humans because we know humans. Goes all in? He just made himself look silly
Just because we are not as advanced as them does not mean when we are not interesting. If we found caveman on Mars would we ignore them because they are not very advanced?.
We’d probably be interesting to an extent, but we are still a dumb species. We still haven’t figured out how to get past money, power, war, and sex. Primitive feelings that aren’t necessities. Could you imagine what we as a species could accomplish if we could put those to the side? Unfortunately, that’s not gonna happen any time soon as this planet is completely controlled by money and power.
@Matejko108 dumb compared to nature. Dumb compared to Einstein. Dumb compared to, yes, the likely “imaginary” (yet mathematically probable) societies that live elsewhere in the universe. Have you witnessed our behavior as a species over the last two years? Do you watch the news? As an outsider, would this look like an intelligent species to you?
Joe says that the invention of the Atom Bomb equates to interstellar travel. However, the energy produced by the explosion is dwarfed by the significance of dedicated space travel spanning many light years.
he was just giving examples, even though they're kind of irrelevant. we find primitive species interesting all the time and we'd lose our shit if we saw life on another planet. there's also resources to take advantage of
Gil Grissom: "Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us."
Joe still like this guy and you guys are way to emotional about it 😂 alien talk all day!
Usually when we care enough to watch something (and most do care what Rogan says to an extent) and when what we are watching features two people having an emotionally elevated discussion about something we care about (especially questions of space and our existence) it would seem normal to me if those watching had an emotionally elevated response. But I hear you. Just a smug way of saying it. And a bit hypocritical since youre doing the exact same thing... Having an emotional response to other peoples emotional response about an emotional discussion in the video. Kind of bizarre really. And poorly worded. [Enter crying face emojis here]
@@TylerMcKinney Ironically your comment had more of emotional response than original post. I think you took it pretty personal huh?
@@bluedreamkush2392 “I’m not emotional, you’re emotional!”
Sorry, they guy is a complete dick. How’s that for emotional?
@@bluedreamkush2392 My entire argument is that having an emotional response is normal given the context of the videos subject. But to answer your question, no. I was really just stating the obvious. I even said I understood what he was saying to an extent. Apparently simply suggesting a different point of view is taking something personal these days. Normally when someone takes something personal they use emotion in the argument. My response didn't really have any emotion aside for the slightly snide joke at the end. It read as a logical rebuttal to most people who can handle different points of view in my opinion. It actually seems like you didn't read anything I said or just didnt understand it for some reason.
“Who would want to study humans?!” *proceeds to study 2 beetles rolling in shit*
But those beetles aren't light years away. It would be like going to pluto to study a pebble. Yeah we might learn something but it wouldn't be worth the trip.
@@theFLCLguy And to that beetle japan is thousands of years away. Or a better example.. The moon
@@Makai- damn this comment hit different cz I'm high rn
@@theFLCLguy You really compare Humanity to a pebble? That doesn't even correlate at all.
Humans studying beetles does not mean hypothetically advanced creatures being interested in us. Pro-aliens projecting human attributes to unproven beings (whose nature and psychology is known to the tune of 0) is a crap argument.
I wonder if Neil has ever admitted there's a possibility he's wrong.
He’s a fucking moron
@@TyrellWellickEcorp ok _darwinism is a fairy tale_
Science-wise he did many times, but personality-wise, i.e. if his personal opinions could be wrong, never I think.
Never.
@bennett theissen Hasn’t even been 1 year since Joke Biden took office and he’s already one of the worst presidents we’ve ever had. At least Trump got stuff done and was a leader and who also could complete a full sentence without forgetting what he was gonna say 😂😂😂
Humans run around in the woods looking at insects, its not that far fetched to think we are a zoo to other beings.
Certainly not far fetched. But not far fetched to think there is way more exciting stuff for aliens to study than us either. And most of us do not run around the woods looking at insects. And running around the woods and flying millions of miles to another planet are not exactly the same thing...
@@John-78 eh I’m not so sure a species so advanced is leveraging their “time” deciding which planets have more interesting or evolved animals while taking in consideration how many miles they’d have to travel to get there. Perhaps the sheer number of evolving planets spread throughout the universe giving our planet such little chance of being “visited” (as far as we know). But then again we’re all just brainstorming and hypothesizing right.. 😊
@@mangmang2000 If we gain the ability to travel the speed of light and start exploring the universe and discover lots of planets with life on it, we will have to start somewhere. I, myself, would not start with the planet of crazy somewhat hostile beings with nuclear weapons who spend an unbelievable amount of time and energy coming up with better and better ways to kill themselves. Thats the type of planet that might be hostile and I might let future generations deal with them...
Exactly! That's been my theory for a long time. Enjoy watching the monkey enclosure for a little while, then move on to the next attraction. Don't get too close though, they're still hostile and dangerous.
One more point I want to add, how do you study and run tests on a wild, unpredictable animal? Tranquilize/Sedate/Immobilize it. Most of the credible people with abduction stories claim they vaguely remember the details of the event, but a lot more information comes to surface while they're under hypnosis. Again, it's just a theory, but it's mind-blowing how many similarities are held between. It's too freakin interesting, I could talk about the topic for hours. Lol
Neill is the kinda guy who would ridicule Copernicus or Galileo if he lived in those times.
I actually agree with Neil here but he didn’t have to talk down to Joe the way he did, he was ironically the one being childish, with that pretentious fake laughing, like they could have had a one and one like adults but no, NDT’s way too narcissistic to ever entertain that he could be wrong.
@Gh0stily111 You're an idiot if you agree with Neil. We literally are studying the elements of the nearest planet to us, but you think an advanced alien life form would not be interested in us?
lol EXACTLY. He fits that type of attitude perfectly.
Absolutely not
Yeah dude Joe Rogan is Galileo
Neil doesn't have enough people in his life to tell him he's wrong. I respect joe for flat out disagreeing with him.
Wohhh he stated his own opinion😂😂 you act like he just said some crazy out of this world shit😂
The thing is though as arrogant and annoying as Tyson is, nothing now said here would be bizarre to an advanced alien species, creatures are weird
@@niyahcatt222 he's not your friend cat
Fishes 🐟 🐠🐡🦈
You clearly don't know the difference between facts and opinions. You can be wrong on the facts, not on your opinions. Even opinions that ignore the facts aren't wrong, they're just stupid. In this case, Neil and Joe have opposing opinions, but since the facts regarding what aliens might actually be interested in are literally unknown, both opinions are merely whimsical conjecture, and therefore neither wrong nor stupid. Your comment, on the other hand ...
Neil degrasse is so stuck in his narrative he forgot to listen
Or maybe he has the perspective that we aren’t unique?
@@trentirvin2008 but what if we are..what if we really are descendants of celestial beings?
@@saveriopersichilli1129 if we're descendants , then we're not unique
I think you meant to say Joe
@@trentirvin2008 I feel we're talking about different things. Unique at what level? As individuals for example we are unique in our personal experiences although we could compare that to all experience ever across a spectrum it still will be unique in a some way.. what do you mean?
Neil: "you think a highly advanced civilization would be interested in us? I don't think we're that interesting".
Alien zoologists: 😐
neil is a sophomaniac, think he knows everything.
there are various reasons why aliens would be here.
@@doni654321 Neil is a science popularizer and that's about it. He is clinging to the status quo of "aliens is pseudoscience", because that is what he teaches: simple, neopositivist, intraparadigmatic platitudes (cynicism and rigidity). He is not a revolutionary scientist; he does not innovate, he does not push the boundaries. He is very much a dogmatist.
His stance on this issue makes no sense. If there's an alien civilization more technologically advanced than us it doesn't even mean that they themselves are a more advanced species. That's like saying humans today are more advanced as a species as hunter gatherers when in reality we're biologically the same and the only difference is our understanding of the world and the technology that we have.
@@4evahodlingdoge226 To get to intergalactic levels of social organization, you would need extremely advanced sociocultural development, which is of course somewhat biologically contigent, but it may also depend heavily on geology (imagine aliens with ~infinite natural resources). If our society consisted of only socially ideal humans, maybe we could pull it off, but the challenge is to get all humans through that bottleneck.
@@doni654321 what are those reasons? I'm interested, for storytelling research reasons. Any links in particular would be appreciated.
Neil always talks like he knows he’s better than you Kinda don’t like him
Word up! I put him right behind jordan Peterson
If you dont like it when someone knows there smarter than you then get off the internet . Uneducated child
@@sukmynut nice first Jab #trollgang
@@kassiouskelso9745 and he wrote there smarter than you and calls the other guy uneducated lol
@@mariocastrignano2406 you just tried to make me look ignorant but then used (lol) which confirms that you are either a child or immature
There’s an entire area of science dedicated to rocks, Neil
This comment is so underrated.
Do you notice every little ant pile you drive past when you’re on the freeway? That’s us.
@@thejackbox no it's not and your analogy is unoriginal and lazy.
@@armedhobo6398 cool story little buddy
@@thejackbox I'm 6'4 and 220lbs of pure muscle mass.
Scientist: spends entire life studying microbes or insects, laughs at the idea that any alien would study us. That's also Hubris.
@@jvlaina That's not true at all. We have scientist studying stars, planets, parts of the galaxy that we will never reach or interact with, and yet we pour resources into studying them.
Do you really think that if we found signs of intelligent life on Mars we wouldn't study it? It's not on Earth so it doesn't impact us. If aliens are real, and they found us, of course they are going to study us. We might not BE impacted by them, but we for sure impact them, Since they found us, we are literally in their coverage zone.
@@drb9677 For all we know, we could be the first intelligent life they've come across, or we're one of many to compare among others. I could totally see them studying us either way.
IDK if that's hubris or just plain stupid
A highly advanced civilization could have developed the technology to study thousands of solar systems with life. Why then expend the resources to come here to see a fairly inept and violent example of primitive life when you have more important things to worry about, like building Dyson spheres? Humans really need to stop placing themselves at the center of the universe. Maybe if we had then fewer of our planet's species would now be extinct and the world wouldn't be full of trash and pollutants.
@@RiceBiomedicine There's a lot of reasons. If they have biologists, they would probably want a sample of each type of organism on earth just to see what unique genes exist on earth or what resources can be collected from certain organisms. That's what our biologists do. Also, if their technology is so advanced, a trip to earth might not even be particularly taxing on their resources. We have no idea.
I like how Rogan keeps making solid points and driving them home while NDT’s only argument is basically the sum of his own arrogance.
Or maybe just maybe the brilliant Astro Physicist that is one of the great minds of our time knows a little more about space than Joe Rogan.. MAYBE. Maybe a bird knows the skies a little more than a squirrel. Just sayin.
@Luke Gilson what are you talking about? Lol “debunked”.
@@jaykob2482 hmm all these 'reports' and still nothing other than grainy Bigfoot footage? Makes sense
@@Benderthegr865 It's on thermographic camera.
That's because to Rogan things like nukes is super high tech and complex.
While people like me, a quantum physicists, it's nothing complex and the only real difficult part is enriching the material to weapon grade. Otherwise a nuke can be as simple as slamming to pieces of enriched material together with some moderators and neutron reflectors. Or just imploding an enriched core using high explosives.
And I don't think it's we aren't interesting enough to study but that we aren't interesting enough to come here themselves. Since FTL isn't possible making any journey take hundreds of years.
Also we only got interesting within the last few hundred years. Meaning only stars within a hundred light years even have a chance of noticing us. There's only like 76 Stars within 100 light years of us.
The thing is, I don’t have a fucking clue what ants are up to when I look down at them so it’s only interesting for a brief moment. So, then I draw some circles in the dirt to confuse them and get back to my day
Well, you care enough about them to waste your time drawing circles in the dirt to confuse them?
@@gregshock always someone like you in the comments
@@boscoblack but think about if he’s right....What advance alien society would care enough to do crop circles to view us?
That is the most retarded comparison.
Humans are conscious beings cannot be compared to anything in the universe
Joose-pin If they can traverse the universe and are already viewing/interacting with our planet, making a crop circle would take a second. It's like OP said, it's just to mess with the ants for his own amusement. They probably don't even view the result, leave it and forget it.
NGT is an "intellectual", not a "thinker". Hes about as open minded as a catholic bishop.
I know who is a thinker tho
@XLgaming He's not. Sam Harris is a thinker. Jordan Peterson is a thinker. NGT is an astrophysicist and a bottom rung one at that. His popularity comes from his bombastic personality, not because he's the smartest in his field... just fyi.
You are correct. He's so full of himself
@Cryptic Hippie he is fake, actor
@Cryptic Hippie He is just blowing off variables that Joe is presenting and presenting his opinion as fact with no backing. I am not a fan of NDT from his arrogance and closemindedness alone.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is beginning to believe that he is actually an expert.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is far more of an expert than 99% of people. Lets be real.
@@patricklawler7650 When it comes to astronomy but that’s about it. He shouldn’t be taken seriously, he’s wrong about so many things and rejects things just because they don’t conform to his worldview.
@@TyrellWellickEcorp He's skeptical about extraordinary claims, like any trained scientist is. People that lack science backgrounds misinterpret that skepticism that is ingrained in the scientific method as arrogance. It's not. It's required for properly testing hypotheses and evaluating conclusions.
@@patricklawler7650 he's base fucking level.
@bennett theissen ruclips.net/video/xTItMy5EI2o/видео.html
Imagine if we were the only other life they have found despite being able to travel so far? How can a man that smart not think of something that simple?
Neil is one of those people that even if they find your point interesting or that it’s something they agree with they’re just going to laugh and say you’re wrong because every social interaction is a way to one up and feel higher than someone to them.
That’s NDT in a nutshell.
I agree 100% those people are so annoying
The WORSTT
yeah he's really insufferable
Their talking about aliens dude
Alien Boss: Have you found intelligent life on earth?
Alien: It's entirely possible....
there are people who devote their entire life's work to studying a certain species of bugs so the idea of aliens being interested in an entire planet full of life isn't that far-fetched
Facts
i dont think neil means interest mostly as in educational curiosity, i think he means it in respect and aknoladge as an inteligent species, aliens that had such tech to find us in the universe let alone come to us, would very likely have litle interest it self, such advance civilizations wouldnt need much interaction of even proximity to knows us back and forth and understand us, and lets say they did it would be awefull for us
i cant imagine a version of a story where aliens come to earth would benefit us, the best case scenario we would be mapped as a planet with alien life to them and they would just keep an eye on us without our awareness so they dont interfeer in any way
he clearly opens up with mentioning "making circles in crops" ironicly saying that our idea that aliens would even be detected in such stupid manners and would be on earth to kidnap some nobody from the fields of america for experimentation is absurd
joe then goes in this satirical pretty well made rant about the many flaws of humans, but that being said we are so behind a species that can travel the universe and so bound to our principles of normality, that we would look to aliens the same way the dumbest animal/bug on our plannet looks to us, and based on the animal interactions we know, it isnt hard to say the kind of respect for lesser life and how it translates to action
@@mafs1996 you are right on that.
What's fascinating about us is irrelevant to a highly intelligent and advanced species comming from light years away for their own cause.
To visit Earth from a distant space in the first place Aliens would need to pass the evolutinary thrash hold of being a Type 3 or at least type 2 civilisation. These are barriers we would need another 1 or 2 billion years to exceed. These kind civilisations are capable of extracting a whole galaxies resources. Compared to that we are a type 0.1 civilisation which means we are only able to extract only Earths resources.
We can't even imagine the level of intelligence these lifeforms posses. It would far exceed the characteristics of gods mentioned in the books. And when we think of God we don't think of his fascination with us but rather as an absolute being.
If aliens exist that are capable of reaching us they likely would have already seen, lived or experienced in someway our form of life. And If they do visit us it would be for a definite cause not for the thrill rides we take to the moon or mars.
@@yoshimitsu8643 i agree, based on what we know of physics and life in general the idea of inteligent civilizations from other planets ever encoutering already starts to look slim, because of the preditcable life span of such species and the time it takes to develop to that state, but again all these are insanely far fetched supositions to things we dont understand yet, we havent even found unicelular life outside of earth and i think until we do, every aspect of it will be a wild prediction, what baffles me is the "humanization" of everything its the new falacy that everything spins around the earth but with humans, inteligent alien life might be so different we that if it was introduced to our civilization atm who guarantes we could understand it at all? somehow people alrealy projeect human emotions and interest on them 😂
@@yoshimitsu8643 We’re a pretty advanced species on this planet and we’re still absolutely fascinated by things as minuscule as how bees choose a queen. I don’t think we’re likely the most fascinating beings in the universe, but I’m quite sure that an advanced civilization would find us interesting, peculiar or just strange.
I respect Neil but I don’t like him just because he sometimes comes off as ignorant
I feel the same way.
And Joe doesn't? Smh.
@@idontevenlikemoney At least he's honest about it. I've never seen NDT admits he could be wrong about something. He just laughs it off, exactly like in this very example.
arrogant***
Arrogant more than ignorant but yeah
We study little ants. We study things insignificant out of curiosity.
I met a professor or microscopy who had ants pinned up all over his office walls. So the whole "we may be like ants to these aliens, why would we interest them" argument always just made me certain that a few aliens would be interested. If scientists found primitive life on another planet they would absolutely go ape shit.
Joe made a great statement beyond having to deal with Aliens. It's deeper than it comes across whether he or Tyson knows it or not.
Don’t we “civilized” people study primitive tribes in the Amazon?
That's humans studying humans to see how people lived at an earlier time. That's apples to apples, the alien example is apples to galactic oranges.
@@Jon.A.Scholt Put it this way. If we (intelligent life) found life on another planet (like Mars) with some kind of probe we had sent up then we would be studying it for decades no matter how basic the life was. Its not unreasonable to speculate that another form of intelligent life from another planet would be interested in us.
@@Jon.A.Scholt yes, but..... we study the hell out of other species also, especially if newly discovered. Children used to have ant farms.
Also.....
How do you know they aren’t human?
@@Mikeygrecordings you misunderstand me. I am pointing out that it's a terrible analogy. Studying other people of your species is nothing like studying life from another planet.
Edit: rereading this I regret saying "terrible". It comes off as needlessly mean and cruel which was not at all my intent. So I would switch it to a "problematic analogy". All too often there is no chance for any kind of meaningful discourse because of the language like I used there. Especially when it is between two strangers debating an idea in good faith.
Sadly however when people write a statement like that it is often intended to be callous and unkind. Without the face to face interactions and a degree of anonymity keyboard bullies feel invulnerable and it is something I despise. Note: that's not to say I won't use strong language when it is necessary, but in this case I obviously feel the word "terrible" was a terrible choice.
So Jon (BTW I am a 'Jon' without the H as well. On top of that I'm not a Jonathon either), I hope you took no offense to my critique of your "Amazon analogy" and if you did I hope you understand that was not my intention.
You win bro
We went from Carl Sagan "We need to be Curious above all" to Neil "I doubt it, that sounds ridiculous" Tyson 😂😂😂😂😂
Neil: imagine the hubris...
Joe: hold my drink...
Im with Joe the whole "we aren't that interesting why would they come here" argument is jus infuriating. Like sure we may be millenniums behind but to assume they would have no interest in us is so silly to me. There are a million things or reasons they could be REALLY interested in what we are doing.
Also we might have some sort of resource that they want. We have no idea how they operate. Maybe our fear gives them energy, maybe they're perverts and they want to kidnap and rape us, maybe the more of us that are alive the more energy they get. Maybe watching us is just funny to them. We have no idea. But it's absurd for Neil to think that in a universe seemingly so devoid of life, a lifeform as advanced as ours would categorically not be interesting to any other species. Ludicrous, in fact.
I think the argument only holds up if the aforementioned visitors have only visited a few planets with life. If they've been to plenty it's probably more like "who cares?" Then again we're applying a "human
rationality" to it, so who really knows.
Did you listen to ndt's reply to that question? He answered pretty well after joe had his moment.
I can for sure see what you mean perhaps its a selfish sorta prism. But I also like to think sure maybe they can traverse galaxies really fast and as a result seen lots of life and different lifeforms then maybe we are the most evolved. Maybe even if its jus the top 20 of advanced lifeforms they come across then thats enough to gather some attention so who really knows but it is really cool to discuss the infinite amount of possibilities.
@@ireviewdopesht7216 to be fair I didn't jus seems to be a common thing discussed that gets me fired up some reason lol not so much ndt.
We could be as interesting for aliens as animals are interesting for us.
We created zoos and we go on safaris, and if a lion sniffs another lion's ass we don't insult him but take note.
True
Expensive zoo, but yeah.
We created zoos for captured animals that cant be released, allowing people to see these animals for a small fee is how they get the money to keep them there, trying to act like zoos are for human interest is pretty disninegouos.
what if aliens are just on a safari when we see them
@@BigScewleo Acting like they're not for human interest is pretty disingenuous, too. It's a thing thousands of families do for fun, and if it's a halfway decent zoo, there will be info cards outside most of the habitats and probably plushies that match the animals at the zoo for parents to buy their kids. Yes, zoos have multiple purposes outside of being an entertainment source for humans, but they are totally an entertainment source for humans. In fact, the business model for maintaining zoos doesn't work otherwise.
“wHy WoUlD aN aDvAnCeD rAcE bE iNtErEsTeD iN uS?” Meanwhile on Earth we all go to the zoo multiple times a year 😂🤦♂️
@NM D. Whats wrong with his statement? We go to the zoo to see animals beneath us do absolutely nothing. Why wouldnt aliens watch us...?
@@ren.8137 "we all go to the zoo multiple times a year" I think that is what is incorrect about his statement. Zoo's are weird and they smell bad.
We are probably more like ants to them if they actually exist
@@beepboopbleep3695 you’re not understanding what he’s saying clearly. We go to see these animals in these cages. In the cases of aliens. we are those animals in the cages.
@@ablisfy So for the aliens we're like hanging around all the humans but really we're from the "Africa" of space where we were probably tigers or black people or something and we don't even know it.
I mean I get what your saying but I think it's still better than a farm.
Neils certainty is not what i correlate with intelligence, Joe Rogan made an excellent point, they could visit for 1 million reasons, but to say humans are not interesting from the perspective of a life form you don’t even know what or where is, is not smart at all.
I like the fact Joe goes all out in support of his ideas.
There's a reason Tyson is an astrophysicist and not an anthropologist. He's interested in space, not as interested in people. Just two guys interested in different things.
nah one ego... apparently rape and murder is one of our interesting qualities lol
No, Joe is just narrow minded. There are A LOT of very interesting animals and plants all over earth and most people don't give a shit about them.
joe's knows comedy, mma and trt... he opines way out of his league constantly for money, nobody should take anything he says seriously. he sells woo from his spotify mountain, another reason not to trust him.
@@abstractdaddy1384 He just takes himself too seriously so he assume other beings would too. The reality is you don't know. We may be really boring compared to other planets. The most advanced civilizations may already know everything about us for all we know. Or they may just laugh at us.
Yeah but Joe is neither. I mean don't get me wrong, I love his podcast and all but he's "celebrating" all the aspects of humans that make us deplorable. I mean to a lot of people what he mentioned there is a major turn off, now imagine a advanced enlightened civilization?
Life in general is fascinating.. The complexity is unparalleled
Neil is like that guy in class who you would yell across the room to shut the fuck up and the teacher would give you that golden look of approval
"Why would aliens want to study us?" Bitch we invented mini pizza bagels.
Joe learned how to combat Neils arrogance finally. He would always talk in a condescending manner and would never let Joe feel remotely intelligent. Good shit Joe. Good shit.
Why do we assume the aliens are visiting Earth to study us? In favour of both arguments, we're probably like the annoying mosquitos pestering the biologists that just want to study the highly evolved lifestyle of ants!
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@@mikehillproject they must be at least technologically superior to us if they can get here.
@@mikehillproject asking that question is like asking if viruses are living or not. You must first define technology to transcend it.
Well out bro that’s real shit
Tourism. Maybe oppotunity to study lower life forms.
Neil seems like hes too smart to enjoy fun things. The fun for him is taking the joy out of things with a scientific explanation
Hes basically a walking gaslight machine disguised as a shitty celebrity "intellectual"
Oh come on, that’s not fair. His whole thing is about joy at the nature of the universe
@@willmosse3684 hes literally the most condescending person I've ever seen.
@@SupremeIntentionCrew Well, I think that is a little over the top too, but that is a different point than the OP's point about him aiming to take the joy out of things. His whole MO is trying to inspire joy and wonder, even if you don't like him personally.
@@willmosse3684 That doesnt mean much when you just come off as a self absorbed douche bag.
You're doing Gods work man and despite your lack of a cape, I assume, you're still a hero! I heard a 30 second clip of this and of course my mind couldn't get the memory right and because of your upload, I'm super close to finding the entire podcast episode becauseI want to listen!
Humans study ants and mushrooms, what the fuck is Neil talking about
“They’d look at us like ants”
Do you know how many hours I’ve spent playing with ants? Incredibly small minded for a scientist
Stfuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Did you you ride a long school bus or a short school bus?
@@peanutbutterchocolatecake6182 home schooled and had a crush on his teacher
Lmao don't compare your stupid ass to genius extraterrestrial beings.
Saying, "ants" was only a figure of speech
''We did it once in 1947'' - Joe 'the historian' Rogan 🙈🙈
I thought that was pretty funny. I'm assuming he's referring to Hiroshima. Which was 1945. But there was also Nagasaki in the same year. Nevermind the countless tests that have been done.
I personally believe there's something visiting this planet. There's more and more legitimate evidence all of the time. It's totally fine if people disagree, that amount of skepticism is healthy and normal. Its Tyson's smug attitude towards people that have different opinions that really bothers me. He's probably the most smug famous person in the scientific community that I'm aware of.
Nope lmao he just saying facts facts ! Fascinating to whom he is asking? So you believe there’s “something” visiting this planet lmao like what? What evidence is there lmao 🤡
I personally feel that those that come off as having all the answers are the first person's to question.
Joe supports his position and makes a much more compelling argument than Tyson. Tyson just makes assertions without supporting them as if his word alone is proof.
Joe also not really supporting this. It's all more assumptions, there's no way of knowing what would make the aliens visit us. They're having a healthy debate but people don't wanna see it that way.
There was some gold dropped by Joe with that response.
Narcissists be like, "I'm the devils advocate even though I know better".
I was just thinking that NGT is narcissistic.
we're HBO entertainment to advanced outer space civilizations
I think that's a bit of a stretch. We're galactic Jerry Springer at best.
I'm surprised Joe had NDT back on after the last episode.
Damn, it was just Joe being factual and respectful.
It's so incredibly bizarre how Neil's hero Carl Sagan posited all the reasons we would eventually encounter alien species and yet he is the biggest alien denier around. Thinking scientifically means keeping open possibilities until all alternatives are impossible. Aliens aren't impossible, yet Neil continues to use outdated arguments against them. I get it - he wants those reasons to be proven false, but he never says "Yeah we just don't know yet". He just says its probably not aliens. Why is it probably not?
Asking for evidence is not being a denier its being a scientist...and Sagan may have said why we might encounter other life, would also fall in the evidence camp.
wouldn’t advanced life want to study the less advanced? Why else would you explore the cosmos if not to look for other things you can study/communicate with
Not really, if they're an advanced species 1000x more enlightened than us, it would mean they can't learn anything from us. They'd want to find other species more advanced than themselves that they could learn from.
@@joerogaine3093 They could have very well moved far past fascinations with biological life and moved onto any other number of things. At that point, I imagine they'd be more interested in black-holes and doing endless experiments with them. There's probably more than enough curiosities in relation to black holes to satisfy an advanced species for practically eternity. Honestly, species may be simplistic of an idea for them at that point, with the idea of organic and robo-mechanical mediums for life possibly being seen as simplistic and one of very many ways it manifests. Joe always goes on about how not smart he is, trying to appear humble and avoiding blame for some of the stupid things he says but when it comes to this, he stops caring and lets the flurry of pseudo-intellectual non-critical-thinking BS just fling forward without any restraint. The idea of alien life is interesting but it truly is his blind-spot for objective debate.
@@joerogaine3093 They would still be fascinated in another intelligent being lol.
Maybe cancer research. Like what’s that infection on that blue ball?
@@joerogaine3093 so why do we research chimps behavior? Or even insects behavior? What can we possibly learn? A lot actually.
Idk why but when he said “to whom” my blood started to boil
It's people like Neil that give scientists and science a bad name and make it unappealing to a lot of laymen out there. That kind of smug, dismissive, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude. Scientists can be their own worst enemy. I mean, I dont agree with that assessment, but I can understand it. They need to start engaging with these kinds of arguments rather than smugly chuckling and dismissing them. We are a fascinating species. The entire Earth is fascinating. To act like aliens wouldnt be interested in us is just absurd. Earth might be the only planet with life for billions of lightyears. That a lone makes us worth studying.
@Azo They're both smart
@Azo in this case... yeah.
@Azo because neil's own argument (which is just a dismissal, he's too self assured to argue) is that superior species would not engage in research of lesser ones. That is the sole function of large swathes of the sciences. He's a fucking idiot because he rests his laurels on his current convictions rather than using reason to see possibilities. He's the kind of person who thought air wasn't real because we can't see it - needs proof before he accepts something as even being possible.
@Azo he's speculating completely on one) their interests at all and two) the divergence of their iinterests. There exists 0 evidence to determine either if those things so hard anchoring a position at all on this in order to establish intent infantile. In Neil's world incomplete information doesn't exist so he has to naively full the gaps so his brain can handle it
Neil is hella disrespectful joe shoulda kept on his head
JOE ROGAN is the voice of the people !!
Correct -- because he doesn't know anything but likes to run his mouth.
You could use Neils “Data” arguments right back at him. You could say “Well show me the data that we’re not interesting?” Or “Show me data that provides evidence no alien space craft exists”. Neil often uses this data point when it fits his argument but never uses it other then to say something is false. It kinda drives me nuts.
Because the guy is a douche bag, lol. The best way to deal with an asshole like him is just keep changing the subject. You'd be quickly amazed how life experiences can take the wind out of someone who thinks they know it all. Not to mention the conversations are more inclusive to both parties and don't have a condescending tone like this narcissistic tool that needs someone to agree with his every word...right? right? Ok...right? Do you see what I'm saying? Do you understand? Right? Guys a dick.
@@gmolinari2513 when he asks right? Okay? Its asking if your actually understanding what he is saying not actually of agreeing with him
I mean we are interesting for other species if those other species were confirmed but yet no one has confirmed it bc no one knows
Okay my guy pls send me clear videos of unidentified spacefrafts,not ones wheee you hardly shee shit and only see a black dot in the sky,these videos you can nevee confirm them 100% even less when the video quality is bullcrap,the day we can get and hd video of an unidentified spacecraft,that day we can confirm em,but we still havent seen em so we cannot say they exist,like you all think they do
@@rodrigocisneros3166 lots of people have seen them. I seen a group of them in the south of France in the early 90s all fly over head at once, it made the French news the next day. Maybe you could check out the "westall incident" on RUclips about a mass Australian sighting, it's very interesting.
How can you have evidence of something not occurring ? That’s like saying “show me evidence that unicorns don’t exist”
Joe is like “alright let me stop you right there”
Niels argument, is like saying humans wouldn’t be interested in zoo’s.
I genuinely do not like this man’s ego.
Miss these clips on RUclips, had no idea there was a new interview with him
Im feelin that Joe thought NDTs take on aliens was gonna be more supportive lol
That’s greatest discrimination of the human race I’ve ever heard.
I mean he’s not wrong
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The greatest discrimination of america not every human lives such a life😂😂 but sure it sounded cool
Imagine the hubris it takes to need to make yourself seem smarter than everyone else
JR has a point!
Joe is right here.
We can break it down into simpler terms, take the following, "we're like ants to them!" Okay, apply that same proposed logic that a greater lifeform might have to our galaxy:
You and your people wander through an endless sea of sand for generations, possibly eons. Then, one day, you find an anthill.
*Don't tell me you wouldn't stop to look at it.*
Neil is weak sauce. His close mindedness disgusts me.
lol close mindedness is what people say when they have zero evidence for the claims they are making and want you to believe some bullshit point of view.
@@BigScewleo Does not apply for this situation does it. Stop pretending to be smart
Why exactly?
Why do we go into the Amazon for 3 weeks to study a frog?
It’s the same idea why aliens would come here to study us.
He’s describing americans NOT humans.
This. Every time i hear americans talk about people, black people, white people, cancel culture, rape culture, gender politics, preferred pronouns, all the big hitters in the U.S in the last couple of years... it's made abundantly clear to me that Americans have no idea just how insular those topics are to the U.S. . Not that they don't apply elsewhere, but they're nowhere near the shitfight they are in the United States.
@@ksrhys- That is very true. I too have felt that many times.
War, crime, and stupidity exists everywhere
@@ajax7697 yes but not to the degree or magnitude the u.s. supplies.
@@Euphoriarocket you must be joking. These things didn't begin in 1990 when US took over the world it's humabity
Joe’s been practicing that answer for years 😂
lol
I love the multitudes of people commenting who possess an eighth of the education and intellect of NDT but call him arrogant. Trump loves the uneducated and boy did he hit the goldmine in Rogan admirers 😂
I hate this argument against aliens "ohh WHY would they come to us" man who tf knows, doesn't mean there isn't evidence of some weird shit going down. Just because you can't find their purpose while judging it based on your own thoughts and aspirations doesn't disqualify all the evidence of ufos.
It's like saying "oh WHY would the apple fall from the tree?? What is to be gained?? The ground isn't so interesting hahahhahah."
@Angelbob77 Yeah to Aliens we'll just look like the dumbest mofos exploiting each other for survival.
"goes all out"? this was a jovial exchange.
Upload the concept of what neil brought after this regarding the photosynthesis...that was way more interesting than what joe said
What isn't more interesting than anything that hack has to say?
@@MrSigbjorntrumbaugh I agree he is full of his own shit and isn’t open to anyone else’s viewpoint
Aliens watching us is like us watching Jerry Springrr
These are the conversations I like. Two different opinions that are talked out. Even if one side “wins” the argument, they can walk away considering what the other has said.
I feel like Joe regressed 10 years in this interview
People underestimate how smart Joe is
He is unbelievably shallow. He is good at creating a space where guests can say interesting stuff. Yet even though he talks with some of the smartest people around for hours each, he never changes his views or gains facility talking about anything other than the stuff he personally does.
Tyson is a corporate owned, pseudo scientist who’s entire work and philosophy can be summarized by “we are tiny and don’t matter”
Astrophysicists aren't pseudoscientists. It's one of the most scientifically rigorous fields of study there is. Your statement is completely nonsensical. Humans don't matter in the grand scale of things. Dr. Tyson didn't invent this concept. It comes from Carl Sagan's pale blue dot concept, which itself comes from previous scholars. Humans believing they're an extra special component of the universe is a medieval concept that we've moved beyond with the advent of modern technology.
@@RiceBiomedicine you’re just like Tyson, you like to hear yourself use your big words and you regurgitate the same crap he says. I never said humans mattered in grand scale of things. People like you like to use “science” to stroke your massive egos.
@@colin6603 You explicitly criticized Tyson for your belief that he thinks humans don't matter. Why criticize that then? This has nothing to do with egos. You just said a lot of nonsensical things so you deserve to be called out for that.
Aliens aside
The irony when this guy rightly talks about hubris like it is such a bad thing, when he is quite literally the embodiment of it..
Lmao everyone in this comment section backing up a total 🤡 has me 💀.Another W for the 🐐 NDT 🤣
I think we would be interesting to aliens because we're half-baked in a way. We're halfway thorugh the scale between wild animal and supercomputer, and the chances of finding a species at that specific point of their evolution must be astronomically small considering how big the universe is and how most interplanetary species out there must be millions of years old.
Aliens could be like scientists studying different species across the universe. They are most likely open minded to how life takes on different forms probably alot less ego than us to.
"they are most likely" you don't even have the evidence to claim "most likely" because you still have to demonstrate they exist in the first place to know how they would "most likely" act.
@@BigScewleo its most likely just speculation, just a thought wondering what aliens might be like if they existed
Did he say 1947 lol
Yes, I heard same, Joe should learn a bit history
Fascinating that Joe doesn't get that everything he says is fascinating is only fascinating to humans because we know humans. Goes all in? He just made himself look silly
Dude for once neil didn't interrupt
I don’t know if that makes us “fascinating” or simply primitive. It could just be that the vast majority of human beings are just dumb.
Just because we are not as advanced as them does not mean when we are not interesting. If we found caveman on Mars would we ignore them because they are not very advanced?.
We’d probably be interesting to an extent, but we are still a dumb species.
We still haven’t figured out how to get past money, power, war, and sex. Primitive feelings that aren’t necessities.
Could you imagine what we as a species could accomplish if we could put those to the side? Unfortunately, that’s not gonna happen any time soon as this planet is completely controlled by money and power.
Yep...and majority in the comment section doesnt get that..😭
@Matejko108 dumb compared to nature. Dumb compared to Einstein. Dumb compared to, yes, the likely “imaginary” (yet mathematically probable) societies that live elsewhere in the universe. Have you witnessed our behavior as a species over the last two years? Do you watch the news? As an outsider, would this look like an intelligent species to you?
@@Vito_Caligiuri I agree. Unfortunately, it seems we’re regressing in terms of wisdom and maturity.
Joe says that the invention of the Atom Bomb equates to interstellar travel. However, the energy produced by the explosion is dwarfed by the significance of dedicated space travel spanning many light years.
he was just giving examples, even though they're kind of irrelevant. we find primitive species interesting all the time and we'd lose our shit if we saw life on another planet. there's also resources to take advantage of
Joe is so right
The man is now saying male vs female sports is an arbitrary distinction. This man is no longer credible.
Make you wonder if he ever was than
this notification tab is so unhinged
Aliens: "Hey ⟊⏃⋔⟟⟒, Pull that up that video of that human Joe Rogan talking about Elk Meat, DMT, Chimps, and Floatation Tanks."
What's funny is that the online Alien Language translator said ⟊⏃⋔⟟⟒ means Jamie. I guess the aliens have their own Jamie 😂.
that was a very compelling argument and all Neil could do was laugh it off. He knows something
Doubt it. With the way he likes to talk the FBI wouldn’t even trust him to be an informant.
NDT doesn't want to believe there are more advanced civilizations out there because then he won't be able to condescend to them in conversation.
Good one
neil sounds like freddy fazbear when he laughs
Oh yeah, he really went all out on him didn’t he?
That’s probably the wisest thing joe has ever said. Perfect description of today’s society
It’s hard to argue for what an alien would find interesting or not when you’ve never met one
I agree with Neil on this, we would probably be really uninteresting to an advance civilization.
i disagree,
If everyone was like neil yeah we would be uninteresting but fortunately we arent that boring
We are way more advanced than many animals but we study everything about them.
you're right but try telling a meathead Joe rogan fan that they aren't interesting and they'll wet their mma panties
This is the smartest thing I've ever heard Joe say.
Gil Grissom:
"Abigail, I'm sure if there is something out there, looking down on us from somewhere else in the universe, they're wise enough to stay away from us."
Joe’s just mad because the guy that studies the galaxy for a living doesn’t believe in aliens