DRAMATIC ENDING! | Stage 17 Vuelta a España Race Conclusion | Eurosport
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2023
- Stage 17 of Vuelta a España finishes an extremely close race.
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Landa was nice to lead out Kuss.
Gotta love how he is always smiling and interacting with the crowd at the end
Landa such a good teammate for Kuss, not even fight for the podium
Congratulations to Primoz, he kept on amazing cadence and tempo on the real tough sections of the angliru. Very impressive ride, and equally good from Jonas to keep pace with him. Also well done to Kuss for limiting his losses. For we fans who are neutral and want to see a good race, Jumbo is handling this very well. They’re safe as a team so let the strongest man win!
To everyone saying let the best man win - Kuss IS THE BEST MAN. He’s on his third grand tour and had he not been so tired helping Jonas and Roglic, they perhaps couldn’t have distanced him. They should’ve taken him with them cuz the other teams weren’t in contention and it was a chance to help him. It’s no gift - if it is, everything that Kuss has done for them was a gift too.
Unfortunately there is politics and other factors in the team, owners, DS... can't have too many top dogs....
Here JV was actually the one who helped SK to maintain his Red Jersey staying close to PR! JV was very strong & could easily overtake PR but he didn't attempt in order to give SK a birthday gift = still his Red Jersey!
Exactly 👍
True . Primož and Jonas slow pace at the end so Seppie is on his birthday in RED jersey🎉🎉🎉
Unforgettable adventure fans, cycling is the most exciting experience of life, you can bet on it, what a race, what a competition, what a great experience of life this Vuelta event, big loving hug all riders ❤
Roglic wird langsam bewusst, dass er niemals die Tour gewinnen wird...
Also versucht er die beiden anderen Rundfahrten zu gewinnen. Hier läuft es aber darauf hinaus, dass Vingegaard ohne viel Vorbereitung ihm den Rang abläuft. Ich denke dass diese Vuelta im Gedächtnis bleibt wegen dem Teamgeplänkel ums Leadertrikot und weniger wegen dem zukünftigen Gesamtsieger.
Roglic hat die beiden anderen rundfahrten bereits gewonnen
Primož already won Vuelta and GIRO. What r u talking about?? U drunk or what😂😂😂
Vinge could have taken it, he never attacked in the end
Roglic needs to leave TJV.
I like how Jumbo handle the situation.. Let the legs talk.. It's no giftshop.. The best man win the Vuelta 💪🇩🇰🇺🇸🇸🇮
it’s about being the domesquite role for your leader. Roglic and Jonas never lead for Sepp at all
I'm gonna guess you work in a giftshop?
So they didn't need Kuss to drag them up the mountains in Le Tour?
@@brulsmurf 😂 No.. do you..?
Exactly. Even though Primoz and Jonas didnt ride their best today because they wanted kuss to stay close.
All coud see Vingegaard NOT wantet to Win 😅😅😅.Jonas Just said habby birsdaty kuss❤. Vingegaard coud Have won with minuts
I completely agree with you - also knowing the story about his physicality and tests made when he was younger - for me what happened today was a turn off the TV situation not good for the sport that the best man cant show his Hercules powers - Im extremely dissapointed with that - Hes a potential living legend who hates beeing all that - grow up Jonas their will not be a 2nd chance 🙁
Well spoken and so true!@@jesaustralia
Imagine being Jonas not being able to ride his best, just because of childish fans... Primoz and Jonas obviously didnt ride their best today looking at how minimal hurt they were at the finish line.
Would you guys want to win a race unfairly knowing you aren't the best rider? I sure wouldnt want to...
you could say the same about jonas the past 2 tours mate, WVA pulled him both times on numerous stages. WVA gifted jonas the tours.
@@tweedledee4605That was wva's job.
@@tweedledee4605 You can't be that stupid.
Well, we probably should not have teams being allowed in cycling, if it is only a selfish competition...
@@nt78stonewobble WVA is a classics/ sprinter but hes used and abused by jonas and roglic every tour they are in. Its not his job, but he does it because they are part of the team.
#FreeVingegaard
"Dramatic Ending" > Remarkable Ending", click bait title
Will Roglic get flamed today for attacking Sepp?
By some maybe, not me. Let the strongest man win!
@@HkFinn83 it’s about being the domesquite role for your leader. Roglic and Jonas never lead for Sepp at all
After his interview, yes he will. But imagine not being able to ride their best because of childish angry fans. Must be so demotivating to have passion for the sport then.
of course by a bunch of crybabies who doesnt understand how bicycle racing works. If those two didnt go for it, someone else will. I would like to see Sepp win this vuelta but TJV cant afford losing the tour just because P and V waited for sepp who obviously didnt have the legs today.
@@petersagan370Who else would’ve went for the stage win when they were the only three guys in the lead? You’re trying to justify this behaviour, which is fine, but that argument just doesn’t make any sense.
Is one of the two ( very well prepared ) commentators Australian ? His accent sounds like that
well he himself said to them....Go Guys
Please Vingegaard, don’t feel bad for showing that you the best! At this point it is almost torture for Kuss! He is ending up winning the Vuelta knowing that he was not the best rider in the competition
he was riding for jonas and primoz at first.
If Vingegaard is so strong, why does he need Kuss to support him in all different 3 week races?
you know nothing about 3 week team cycling races ffs...Vingegaard (as almost all of GC competitors) was never the strongest rider during his tours wins lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@luqast8462
Every great winner needs support. Real simple
After all that Kuss has done for the other two, I don't get why they don't pull him up and basically extend his lead over all the other teams
Because this isn’t kindergarten where you share desert with your best friend. This is pro cycling and the 3rd biggest Jersey to win in the world.
Stop making it out like Kuss is some selfless guy who „helped“ them win. He is employed for it, has a clear job description and fulfills it.
If you want to see it that way you could also see it like this: the captains Vinge and Rog are helping the team by bringing in the results and money to pay the others wages.
This is a professional bike race. May the strongest man win.
Do I want Kuss to win it? Of course i do. I’d be amazing. But not as a gift. That’s just weak and lame mentality.
@@youbetu18Agree 100%
This is pro sport 🤷♂️
They tried to pull him up, but he couldn't keep up
@@youbetu18 At the same time, both Jonas and Primoz have had the opportunity to have their full team riding for them specifically. Without Kuss, can we really say that Vingegaard was stronger than pogacar? Without Kuss tempoing roglic when he got dropped at the Giro, does he beat Geraint Thomas? Would be nice for one day for one of these 2 guys to aid Kuss for once rather than the other way around.
Why does Vingegaard not sprint against Roglic for the win but does attack Kuss?
If they had waited for Kuss when he was alone riding in 3rd position they could have crossed the line 1,2 and 3
they did😂😂😂
Then again, they might have got by e.g. Landa and not won at all.
they would have still easily outsprinted Landa as fresh as they were. Landa basically pulled Kuss so he wouldn't lose red. For whatever reasons
Primoz the win and Jonas a GC boost, easy deal
Jonas vs Primoz in sprint =100% Primoz win, Jonas isn't that good in sprint.
Jumbo vs jumbo!!
Totally understand that this is professional sport but........... Come on Rogla, Jonas.... Remember what Kuss did for your wins.....
I don't really like either of them at the moment. You're right.
Even kuss doesn't want free GC
Team directors make the call
Actually, this is for sepp kuss
I would be super happy if Kuss still wins Vuelta with no help from them
Let's just get this straight for those who thinks that Vingegaard is selfish and has done nothing to help Kuss.
1) He didn't call Kuss back on the stage Kuss won, when Vingegaard was ill. That has laid the foundation for the extremely fortunate situation the team is in.
2) Vingegaard has been collecting bottles and food for Kuss. We've seen it on camera.
3) When Vingegaard had defects, he didn't ask for anyone from the team to ride him back, so they could stay with Kuss instead.
4) Vingegaard has pulled for Kuss on several occasions, having Kuss in his wheel.
5) Vingegaard has helped Kuss to position better in the peleton on almost every stage, making sure Kuss was held out of trouble.
6) Today he didn't ride full out and did - again - what Kuss wanted him to do.
Saying Vingegaard has done nothing for Kuss and is just being selfish is not only misinformed, it's an outright lie. Vingegaard is known for being a team player, for giving the domestiques the chances to ride for stages and even in some stages back off and let them win (he did again today with Roglic, although Roglic isn't a domestique), and he's selflessly sacrificed himself many times for the rest. But he also has a job to do, that he's paid for, and that's to win GTs.
Well You are right, but You want be able to convince fanboys who are watching 5 mins reviews of stages how things look like 😢
@@psps54 Sepp Kuss deserves better fans. :D
Agree Vin was stronger than Rog, could have easily taken more time. but that would have definetly upset the mood in the team
The stage that Kuss won was a well executed plan to put Kuss in the lead so the pressure was not on Jonas and Primoz, but on other GC contenders. I still think that Jonas didn't need to go with Primoz and should have stayed with the raceleader. If done so, Kuss might only lost a handful of seconds to Roglic instead of the 19 seconds did now. Kuss maybe should remind the both gentlemen who they need next year in the Giro and TdF. He might be happy not winning the Vuelta this year, but when he will look back at his career in a few years time, he will regret that he missed the opportunity by being too nice.
@@DK-vw1of No, they already spoke about this. Vingegaard didn't do it because he actually wants Kuss to win.
C'est dur ce manque de romantisme ... Ça réponds à une logique, mais je sais pas j'ai l'impression que le public voudrait kuss non ?
Omg this GCN guys and S.Kelly and there's conspiracy?!? about JV😂!!!!is Sepp still in red?YES ! could Primož and Jonas take the jearsy from Sepp?YES didn't they?NOO
They mostly didn’t because Lands helped Sepp and gifted him bonus seconds. If it wasn’t for him, Jonas might have been in red. Also, you’re trying to make a point as if they paid attention that Sepp stays in red, which just didn’t happen.
Why they don’t help Kuss? Kuss helps always in Tour de France
Kuss fans need a cookie?
This is pro sport, the best man is supposse to win 🤷♂️
Jumbo Visma is dominating - which is fine and spectacular. But I think it would have been true sportsmanship to let Kuss win on his birthday.
He got to keep the red jersey.. It’s no giftshop..!
@@MrKimJoJoit’s about being the domesquite role for your leader. Roglic and Jonas never lead for Sepp at all
@@MrKimJoJoHe kept the red jersey because Landa helped him and gifted him the bonus seconds in the finish. He’s a better team mate to him than these two guys.
"Let Kuss win" Are you sure Kuss wants to be handed wins? I surely wouldnt if i knew people were better than me.
No, it would've been poor hybris. If they tried this, and then Landa wins, everybody would've been laughing. In addition, there are hard stages left, they need to get every second they can to be save against technical difficulties and crashes.
Jonas take him down
The best man will win the Vuelta, that can only be Vingegaard🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰!
I agree with the guys in the studio. Roglic and Vingegaard both acted dishonourably towards Sepp and I believe they will both live to regret it. Either because at some time in the future they will realise how badly they behaved or because they will both have lost a lot of fans and friends. The closest thing in my memory was Hinault and Lemond in the 1986 Tour de France. I won’t be rooting for them. Compare their behaviour to that of Geraint Thomas on the final stage of the Giro this year when he lead out Mark Cavendish.
Well how many times did jonas attack kuss and how many times Primož?
Not a family😡
The doctors have been busy again
Why watch a sport where you can't allow yourself to enjoy greatness?
its because i love the sport the damage this will do once the truth comes out @@nikosvault
Kuss is riding the 3rd grand tour this year, helping Roglic and Vingegaard with their tour victories and the two attacking him in the red jersey on his birthday. What's going wrong with these guys?
You mean like when Sepp Kuss "attacked" vingegaard on stage 6, where before that stage vingegaard was teh best placed jbv rider?
The state of their legs takes precedence on any given day.
@@nt78stonewobblehe wasnt in red...dh
TJV have one fine director at the helm, that’s ll I can say…🤮🤮
So you don’t want to see the best man win !??
Tour de Jumbo
so are they fighting against each other at this point ?
Jumbo visma never again. I'll bash their sponsors so they sponsors can bash those employees.
Ineos should have pulled the whole team after the time trial. Just rubbish😂
Medieval hierarchy at jumbo ! 👎
after all that Kuss has done for both of them....bang out of order!!
Electric bikes everywhere
Seep as to move on to other team,Jonas and Primoz dont give a damm to the leader of the race and to His domestic who happens to be in first place,i never saw the the two best riders at the vuelta treat they re leader as it was from another team,even though this kid Seep Kuss was they best "friend" at the last Giro and Tour.10 years ago Chris Horner won the Vuelta with only 3 seconds to Nibaly,remenber that Kuss and give your best to win the Vuelta.
Well, first of all Sepp Kuss has said multiple times that he doesn't want to be a GC rider, he would much rather be a helper, so he's happy on TJV. It was never the plan that Sepp should get the red jersey in the first place, but just happened to be so from the stage where he won.
Second, Sepp told Jonas and Primoz to go, had he not they would have stayed at his pace and ridden for him.
@@ChonkyMonkey1 exactly just happen to so,and since that,in my point of view they should not be so hungry,the others riders near them could not do any harm to Jonas or even Roglick who happen to win the Giro,Jonas the Tour and Seep to win the Vuelta,even do in first place was not the intents of the team,but things change in a race...
Looks like Jumbo is gifting the victory to Kuss, not pretty at all, but this "ESG" kindergarten mentality is spreading like a cancer in the western world!
Jonas is fake
poor from roglic - a guy that has relied on sepp kuss countless times.. Just let sepp take it you saddos or he might just leave for UAE and you'll never win another tour again.
Cmon roglic isnt 8 second behind kuss...stupid
Attacking your own team leader in the leaders jersey.?.Sepp Kuss should be team leader of EF Education or Ineos he would then win the Tour.Betrayed .
That would be a disaster to Kuss, if he’s leaving TJV he would go from success to totally disaster. He would never haver a chance to win a GT or being successful…. But maybe it would be the best to everyone….
Disgusting lack of respect to drop Sepp. His agent should already be looking for a new team. 😡🇮🇪
Does Kuss seem as distraught as you? No, because he’s not a ninny like some of you guys
Sepp told them to go on the team radio 🤷♂️ Follow along
Sepp and Pogacar have more class than these two will ever have. UAE would be a good fit. Says a lot about Jumbo when they expect a guy to ride 3 tours in support of these two and to be treated like that. Sepp no more mister nice guy, attack these two if you can and to hell with your DS.
@@joekelly7088 ninny
@christianeriksen7907 Let's not get personal here. I don't like weasels but clearly some of you do.
😢😢👎👎👎👎👎👎
TJV posted on Twitter that Kuss said: "Go guys", when he got dropped, intending that Kuss himself told them to ride away. If that is true, Kuss really is probably the greatest sportsman ever, letting Vingegaard to threaten his jersey.
But even if so, Jonas and Roglic should have realized that by now they are there to help Sepp Kuss and not to play foolish games. They showed that they are no sportsmen at all but selfish a**holes and no teammates at all
Did you tell Pogacar to wait for Adam Yates in the Tour?
Vingegaard coud Easy Have taken 2 min but he only did follow Roglic.vingegaard wants kuss to win
They did not go full gas. Vingegaard could easily pull at least a minute there
ähm Niklas, du checkst es überhaupt nicht. Wieso sollte Kuss die Vuelta gewinnen, weil ihm es jemand schenkt? Das will er 0,0, das nennt sich Sportlichtkeit und Sportsgeist, den haben die 3 alle. Und niemand will sowas GESCHENKT haben, aber ist zu hoch für dich.
@@holmbjerg Well, Vingegaard waited for Pogacar at the Tour last year, but could not do it for Kuss. They could've even let the victory for Landa, considering all the work TBV did. Back in the old days, that was actually a thing to do, even for rivals.
So unsportsmanlike to ride against Kuss your own teammate..
Kuss might as well ride for himself in future if this is the way your team mates behave...
Hang your heads Jonas and Primoz....shameful!@
Judas Vingegaard 😂😂😂😂
Jonas is selfish...sorry but he is
Well, after watching stage 17 I have lost ALL respect for Primo and Jonas, to attack your TEAMMATE who helped both of them win their grand tours is unbelievable. Primo looks embarrassed during the post stage interview with an embarrassing smile because he knows he’s in the wrong. This is a team sport, no individual can win a GT on their own. Jumbo Visma need to have a word with these two and make a decision in order to hold onto any respect they had.
yea fk them wtf was that
Vingegaard asked for permission to attack yesterday. I am sure he did so today as well, unless it was planned in advance.
if Jonas wanted to attack, he would take the red jersey for sure with several minutes.
a grand tour cannot be just gifted...let's be real. if kuss wants to win he has to fight for it and prove that he deserves to be a vuelta winner. i love them all so it'll be amazing anyway :) let's just enjoy this race
it's a team sport. so I think you can gift it to him. He has done an absolutely amazing job and enabled the other two to win their tours. Why not give him the recognition he deserves and give him this tour.
It's for the same team. And it will still be a 1,2,3 for Jumbo
Asco y repugnancia por jumbo🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮