Now that’s the perfect video IMO!!! Knowing the yardage and lead, AND seeing it with a great tool/product (SHOTKAM) is as good as it gets. Great Job on the vid. Thanks!
Hi Tom, was it you that asked me (Emily) to make a video with the target distances and lead? I'm about 90% sure it was you that asked and it's why I made this video :). I'm so glad you like it. The shooter here is David Radulovich and I find it amazing how his move makes the clay look slow. Please send me any other video ideas you'd like to see Tom. Thank you as always for commenting - Emily Stewart
ShotKam - Hay Emily! Yes it was me. Matching the speed of the gun to that of the bird makes it all “appear” slow.... Any. Video that combines lead to yardage (distance from shooter to target) is gonna be a good one. Another thought is to incorporate the choke for the shot taken...Something like (using this video as an example), add to the yardage indicator, “improved modified” ...or Something like, “60yds-9’lead- light full choke”.... Similiar vids for live bird shooting with similiar noting I feel would help SHOTKAM owners learn a variety of shooting sports, on the range or in the field.....Pls feel free to contact me anytime. Thanks. TomL
@@tomlagatol4448 Hi Tom, I love this. Let me think through how to incorporate chokes and I'll come up with a video idea. We've had several people mention it on social media, but I hadn't thought to actually put it in a video. I'm on it :). Thanks again - Emily
Speed, direction and distance is all you need to be aware of to instinctively work out the forward allowance (lead) required. Too many clay pigeon shooters spend too much time trying to work out the correct measurement. Just get on with it and let your eyes and good rotation do the work for you.
....this is useful for those who shoot maintained, positive lead on crossing birds but for shooters who prefer -'ve lead and accelerate through the target, which is a more natural and instinctive way to shoot, it's misleading. My 4' of accelerated lead may look more like 8' for maintained lead to you....very clear information though!
Yutube daki ShotKam Atış Teknikleri videolarını çok yararlı ve at ışlarımı geliştirici buldum.Tüm Avcı ve Atıcılara İzleyip Yararlanmalarını tavsiye ederim.
I’ve found ShotKam devices far more useful for analyzing gun mount and target tracking. If when mounting the gun the barrel dips and rises as one accesses the bird, chances of making a kill are dismissed due to the wasted time trying find the right gun speed and track with that of the bird.
I know the yardage can be verified by a few different methods. How is the lead calculated in these videos? Is it by measuring the size of the clay bird?
Hi Steve, thank you for your question- you are absolutely correct :). We measured these targets before the shots were taken (to ensure that we were indeed shooting at 20, 40, and then 60 yards). These clays were 4 inches each, so in post-production, we measured how many clays fit in between the target and the reticle, and then multiply that number by 4 inches. For example, in the first shot (at 20 yards), 12 four inch clays fit between the target and the reticle. Multiply that by 4 inches (size of the clay), and this equals 48 inches, or 4 feet of lead. I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any other questions :). -Bettina
Respectfully, I would disagree. For the most part a shooter has a “perception” of “lead” when engaging a target; how else would get the shooter to initiate the shot? ....Seeing one’s own vids with that perception, and then seeing it from a shotkam expert will likely bring the shooter to a better understanding and “shot correction”....All good, and easy with one’s own shotkam.
Good video!. Btw, Yards, feet, inches, miles, etc. Imperial system just makes easy things difficult. It is very simple to calculate them in metrics system, e.g. with degree/RAD and meters.
Hi, thank you for your comment. You are correct - the ShotKam records at a fixed 18 degrees FOV (Field of View), which is what the eye sees; and this is effectively 4X zoom. This is intentional, as it replicates the sharp focus of your retina when looking at the bird. Please let us know if you have any questions, thank you so much.
@@giggergigger1 Trap is shot with the swing through method regardless of a person's skill usually. If you have a small window of opportunity to shoot a bird or clay you will miss using swing through because the bird will be out of view by the time you finally catch up with the it. Maintained lead would work far better for this type of target. A shooter generally learns swing through at the start of their shooting as it is easier to read the bird. Pull away is often taught by clay shooters as a better foundation for sporting clays. Maintained lead is usually used by more experienced shooters on long crossers for example. I personally don't see the point in swinging through a long crossers that needs 15 foot of lead. A good shooter will use all methods when and where required. Personally I use maintained lead on 70% of my shooting. I, by no means consider myself a pro.
@@stephenmac3105 that is strange , as most coaches advise against maintained lead for birds that require a fast reflex shot because their barrel speed exceeds the speed of the bird, resulting in misses ahead or over the bird; if it works for you then its all good
@@giggergigger1 @giggergigger1 I don't think maintained lead is taught to anyone unless they want to learn it. Pull away would be however. As I said, maintained lead is for more experienced shooters. I don't claim to be experienced let's just be clear lol. If you know where a clay is going to come from and it's speed and angle then maintained lead would be easier as you won't be guessing as you said in your first comment. Other people may just be good at reading a clay or bird and use maintained lead. Another set of people may just have a good visual library built up and know what it will take to bring the target down. It's all about what works for you. Im just a firm believer in using all methods and not just one.
Interesting But. . some of the best shooters I,ve met in last 20+ years " Can,t tell you how much lead I give it, as I don,t shoot like that"!. . A chap I used to shoot with used to say to me as I went on stand after he,d shot " Now that `Bod` wants 6foot ". .I gave it half that and broke it. .As I left stand he said " Right enough lad?" I said Yes , dead right!!!. . .+ many more stories like this. .Conclusion = We see lead differently. . .some don,t see any at all!!
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Lead is not up to you. Its an exact mathematical equation of the vector of the velocity of the shot column by the vector of the trajectory of the target. Plus or minus some wind. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less
That might be kinda true if shooting maintained lead. Für pull away and swing through perceived lead is of course subjective due to gun speed and reaction time when pulling the trigger.
@@EitriBrokkrhave you ever shot at a sporting clay? You can’t sit there trying to measure it. You’ll slow down, look at your sight, and miss. Sure, it matters if you’re a computer calculating the flight path. But your brain knows what to do. You just pull the trigger when it feels right, and if you miss you reevaluate and change something
Hi Steve, thank you for the comment. I think you would find that your ShotKam videos look just the same, but if you aren't aware of the big lead you're giving then that's a good thing. It means that you're focusing on the clay and not barrel-aware, which is exactly what you should be doing. Thanks again for the comment. - Emily
It’s well worth the price. I liked my SHOTKAM so much I bought a second one....WORTH EVERY PENNY! It provides a shooter with great teaching /learning process. IMO there’s no substitute for “seeing” what’s goin on.
I bought mine at the end of November, when ShotKam had a great sale for Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Over $100 savings! I love my new ShotKam and look forward to using it more in Spring and Summer, to prepare for duck hunting in California!
Use a red dot reflex sight and see an image like this - with both eyes open - every time you shoot. Takes the guesswork out of it, and decreased possibility of human error.
your measurements are wrong, 2 birds width for every 10 yards at a bird traveling usa skeet speed at perpendicular to shooter. Adjust from there based on angle and speed. works everytime to put you in vacinity
ShotKam is the best!
Now that’s the perfect video IMO!!! Knowing the yardage and lead, AND seeing it with a great tool/product (SHOTKAM) is as good as it gets. Great Job on the vid. Thanks!
Hi Tom, was it you that asked me (Emily) to make a video with the target distances and lead? I'm about 90% sure it was you that asked and it's why I made this video :). I'm so glad you like it. The shooter here is David Radulovich and I find it amazing how his move makes the clay look slow. Please send me any other video ideas you'd like to see Tom. Thank you as always for commenting - Emily Stewart
ShotKam - Hay Emily! Yes it was me. Matching the speed of the gun to that of the bird makes it all “appear” slow.... Any. Video that combines lead to yardage (distance from shooter to target) is gonna be a good one. Another thought is to incorporate the choke for the shot taken...Something like (using this video as an example), add to the yardage indicator, “improved modified” ...or Something like, “60yds-9’lead- light full choke”.... Similiar vids for live bird shooting with similiar noting I feel would help SHOTKAM owners learn a variety of shooting sports, on the range or in the field.....Pls feel free to contact me anytime. Thanks. TomL
@@tomlagatol4448 Hi Tom, I love this. Let me think through how to incorporate chokes and I'll come up with a video idea. We've had several people mention it on social media, but I hadn't thought to actually put it in a video. I'm on it :). Thanks again - Emily
Speed, direction and distance is all you need to be aware of to instinctively work out the forward allowance (lead) required. Too many clay pigeon shooters spend too much time trying to work out the correct measurement. Just get on with it and let your eyes and good rotation do the work for you.
what if my eyes suck
Some great information here. Thank You!
....this is useful for those who shoot maintained, positive lead on crossing birds but for shooters who prefer -'ve lead and accelerate through the target, which is a more natural and instinctive way to shoot, it's misleading. My 4' of accelerated lead may look more like 8' for maintained lead to you....very clear information though!
Well done!
Very helpful! Thank you.
A great help many thanks.
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ışlarımı geliştirici buldum.Tüm Avcı ve Atıcılara İzleyip Yararlanmalarını tavsiye ederim.
Hi what chokes are you using..thanks
I’ve found ShotKam devices far more useful for analyzing gun mount and target tracking. If when mounting the gun the barrel dips and rises as one accesses the bird, chances of making a kill are dismissed due to the wasted time trying find the right gun speed and track with that of the bird.
This is the only vid on youtube I've found that gives a lead
That’s cuz leads are a deception! There’s no specific lead! Leads vary from target speed target distance and shot speed
I know the yardage can be verified by a few different methods. How is the lead calculated in these videos? Is it by measuring the size of the clay bird?
Hi Steve, thank you for your question- you are absolutely correct :). We measured these targets before the shots were taken (to ensure that we were indeed shooting at 20, 40, and then 60 yards).
These clays were 4 inches each, so in post-production, we measured how many clays fit in between the target and the reticle, and then multiply that number by 4 inches. For example, in the first shot (at 20 yards), 12 four inch clays fit between the target and the reticle. Multiply that by 4 inches (size of the clay), and this equals 48 inches, or 4 feet of lead.
I hope this helps, and please let me know if you have any other questions :). -Bettina
Thanks again, what is the clay's speed per hour
Respectfully, I would disagree. For the most part a shooter has a “perception” of “lead” when engaging a target; how else would get the shooter to initiate the shot? ....Seeing one’s own vids with that perception, and then seeing it from a shotkam expert will likely bring the shooter to a better understanding and “shot correction”....All good, and easy with one’s own shotkam.
what was velocity of ammo?
Description.
Around 400 m/s, 28g 7.5 or 8, choke modified and it makes no big difference. Just dont stop watching the clay and continue the swing.
1200 fps
Good video!. Btw, Yards, feet, inches, miles, etc. Imperial system just makes easy things difficult. It is very simple to calculate them in metrics system, e.g. with degree/RAD and meters.
easy to watch hard to do!
Do it again and again you"'ll get it, and duck hunting is best for this
I just love that there's a building downrange ...
And waaaaay out of shotgun range...
Awesome video, bro helped a lot but which gun are you using, next time bro please do it with a bird or tell us the speed of the target please
Problem is that the shotkam is magnified by 4X . Whilst this is useful it's not what you seem when looking at the bird
Hi, thank you for your comment. You are correct - the ShotKam records at a fixed 18 degrees FOV (Field of View), which is what the eye sees; and this is effectively 4X zoom. This is intentional, as it replicates the sharp focus of your retina when looking at the bird. Please let us know if you have any questions, thank you so much.
Lol! Plus1 ! This will have people shooting 3-5 feet in front of target and missing ahead lol 😂
wich choke do you use for long range?
Gil uses Mod & Mod, LM & LM work well too and a bit more forgiving.
No wonder I keep missing
Swing through method is more reliable than sustained lead as it gives you the exact speed of the clay, with sustained led you are guessing
Swing through doesn't work for all targets though
@@stephenmac3105 which ones? Swing through is used by pro trap shooters, hunters and professional pest controllers
@@giggergigger1 Trap is shot with the swing through method regardless of a person's skill usually. If you have a small window of opportunity to shoot a bird or clay you will miss using swing through because the bird will be out of view by the time you finally catch up with the it. Maintained lead would work far better for this type of target. A shooter generally learns swing through at the start of their shooting as it is easier to read the bird.
Pull away is often taught by clay shooters as a better foundation for sporting clays.
Maintained lead is usually used by more experienced shooters on long crossers for example. I personally don't see the point in swinging through a long crossers that needs 15 foot of lead.
A good shooter will use all methods when and where required.
Personally I use maintained lead on 70% of my shooting. I, by no means consider myself a pro.
@@stephenmac3105 that is strange , as most coaches advise against maintained lead for birds that require a fast reflex shot because their barrel speed exceeds the speed of the bird, resulting in misses ahead or over the bird; if it works for you then its all good
@@giggergigger1 @giggergigger1 I don't think maintained lead is taught to anyone unless they want to learn it. Pull away would be however. As I said, maintained lead is for more experienced shooters. I don't claim to be experienced let's just be clear lol. If you know where a clay is going to come from and it's speed and angle then maintained lead would be easier as you won't be guessing as you said in your first comment. Other people may just be good at reading a clay or bird and use maintained lead. Another set of people may just have a good visual library built up and know what it will take to bring the target down.
It's all about what works for you. Im just a firm believer in using all methods and not just one.
15feet how meters???
Hi, thank you for your comment. 15 feet is roughly 4.5 meters 💪🏽.
Interesting But. . some of the best shooters I,ve met in last 20+ years " Can,t tell you how much lead I give it, as I don,t shoot like that"!. . A chap I used to shoot with used to say to me as I went on stand after he,d shot " Now that `Bod` wants 6foot ". .I gave it half that and broke it. .As I left stand he said " Right enough lad?" I said Yes , dead right!!!. . .+ many more stories like this. .Conclusion = We see lead differently. . .some don,t see any at all!!
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Lead is not up to you. Its an exact mathematical equation of the vector of the velocity of the shot column by the vector of the trajectory of the target. Plus or minus some wind. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less
That might be kinda true if shooting maintained lead. Für pull away and swing through perceived lead is of course subjective due to gun speed and reaction time when pulling the trigger.
@@EitriBrokkrperceived lead is affected by gun speed you know…
@@mbal4052 Go work on your reading and comprehension skills, I already said that
@@EitriBrokkrhave you ever shot at a sporting clay? You can’t sit there trying to measure it. You’ll slow down, look at your sight, and miss. Sure, it matters if you’re a computer calculating the flight path. But your brain knows what to do. You just pull the trigger when it feels right, and if you miss you reevaluate and change something
Also depends on what size of choke you are using . You won't need that much lead when you are using the full choke .
I agree, I was very ouzzled by this video. I definitely have much less lead, Id say at least twise as less
Chokes don’t effect lead.
That's not how any of this works
I never lead those distances that far and i still break em, not sure why the huge lead ?
Hi Steve, thank you for the comment. I think you would find that your ShotKam videos look just the same, but if you aren't aware of the big lead you're giving then that's a good thing. It means that you're focusing on the clay and not barrel-aware, which is exactly what you should be doing. Thanks again for the comment. - Emily
Good point, thanks !
@@Shotkam Four inches from the end of the gun to a twenty yard clay equates to roughly four foot of lead does it not,on a skeet range anyway
Same here!!!!!
@@rookstorm1 idk, if worried about the math and trying to figure that out as ur trying to break the clay you will 100 percent miss everytime
странная техника стрельбы. очень. стрелять с замедлением..
I am saving for it
But its very expensive
I wish it price is 500$ or 700$
It’s well worth the price. I liked my SHOTKAM so much I bought a second one....WORTH EVERY PENNY! It provides a shooter with great teaching /learning process. IMO there’s no substitute for “seeing” what’s goin on.
I bought mine at the end of November, when ShotKam had a great sale for Black Friday or Cyber Monday. Over $100 savings!
I love my new ShotKam and look forward to using it more in Spring and Summer, to prepare for duck hunting in California!
@@tomlagatol4448 thats why i want to buy it but in pakistan its price after taxes is 100$x 13 x times☺
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Use a red dot reflex sight and see an image like this - with both eyes open - every time you shoot. Takes the guesswork out of it, and decreased possibility of human error.
Theres just no way I'm rocking with a red dot when I'm going right shooting 🤣
@@stephenmac3105 I've seen it done, and tried it, its legit
Decent rib and a well set up stock wont ever need this.
The red dot will occlude vision of the target too much to actually be helpful
your measurements are wrong, 2 birds width for every 10 yards at a bird traveling usa skeet speed at perpendicular to shooter. Adjust from there based on angle and speed. works everytime to put you in vacinity
if you overlay the disk you'll they ain't that much off