The thing with boxes, and I'm sure Sam knows this, is that they are not to draw anatomy, they are to draw the structure. When you add the anatomy on top, it dosn't needs to match the box, the box is there because it is much easier and more precise to understand the planes of a box than of a circle and that makes it easier to find the perspective. But boxes are used to draw people all the time. The mistake is to think that the shape of the box corresponds to the anatomy. It's like a low poly skeleton.
Agreed, sometimes if I’m having trouble visualizing how a face will look in a certain perspective then I draw a box to understand where the planes are and the base the sketch of the head off of that
Thanks for the clarification! As a beginner, I got confused about why Sam explained that using a box is bad, when it helped me a lot to know where the face/body is facing, especially at head angles. I'm still a little confused, but I guess I need to figure it out on my own.😅
Help, I actually had this phase before. I was able to draw boxes accurately, but the problem was that I tended to try to match the anatomy above the structure (which turned out not okay). I had been wondering if drawing boxes didn't work for me, but turned out I was using the structures incorrectly the whole time. I'm really thankful for Sam and this comment. It really helps improve my drawing:D
I don't think Jakedontdraw's are supposed to be super short art tutorials, rather he's actively SHOWING people his entire process in order for them to learn and understand from it. A live timelapse with commentary.
it's good enouf he does get accross the essential but he really is rambling for way to long after he has already made his point witout adding any new context or information which you could just cut and instantly make a better vidéo sometimes less is more
@@thefrenchbastard1646 in design theory yea but art in general requires a lot of patience , his rambling reflects that, plus it isn't just bs its actually great advice and makes you think differently about art and inspires you, you're hearing it but not listening.
Whenever I couldn’t draw well I would always look for tutorials on youtube & none of them helped me. But there is one youtube art tutorial that helped me get better at drawing humans and it makes me so happy!! I still need to work on posing, their faces and their hair, but I’m still really proud that I can finally draw a human body. The next thing I need to work on is background, all of my characters are just in a white background lol Edit: the youtuber that helped me was Jin Yana Lei
There are so many artists in the world it's amazing. There are so many artists in the world who shouldn't be making tutorials... reminds me when I was younger and tried to make tutorials despite being bad and not understanding shit. Super cringe. Even now when people ask me to make tutorials I just tell them "there are already a lot of people making tutorials who are way better than me, I learned from them and you should too". I don't even think those people are making tutorials to teach, they're making them to get views. Noobs won't make the difference between a bad and good tutorial.
I specifically saw a youtube tutorial of "use box for head not ball" The point of that tutorial was simply talking about how it's hard to get things on the side of your head (mostly ears) in the right place when you use other constructions (like a ball). When the head is looking up or down, the height on the canvas of the ear compared to the eye line changes, and drawing a mid-line around a box can help you realize where it should be. When you draw your line around a ball, it's kind of difficult to angle that line correctly for perspective. I played around with it for a while, and it did help me a bit when drawing heads at odd angles, but I don't use it most of the time.
About the Loomis method: something that I always noticed is that people seem to not read what Loomis wrote in his books and only copied the head examples and though that is how you are supposed to do every head ever. In his book "Fun With a Pencil" you can see how it can be used for caricature.
I'm a visual learner. Boxes really mess me up because they never make sense beyond angular shapes, so I've been trying to merge and test out a bunch of different methods to see what works for me. The boxes are super helpful for perspective settings but otherwise they make me feel like a fish flopping in the sand. 1 flop forward 3 flops back. xD
You should try read some anatomy for artist by tomfoxdraws, he explain it well how to use box to draw anatomy I used to hate box, mainly because i don't understand perspective well enough until recently someone enlightened me about it and holy crap, box does fix a lot of my problem and help me improve tremendously and the best thing was it help me draw head more accurately than before I don't care Whatever sam say about boxes, but i fucking love boxes now
I genuinely have never used boxes for anatomy, especially for the head. It always feels like just a crutch to make the page less blank. And in my case makes it more cluttered and confusing.
Sam!! Don't be scared, it's just me! You know, the guy who breaks into your house at night, steals your food, punches your dog, and, at dawn, appears out of nowhere to almost kill you from the heart and, on top of that, get art advices and leave! :D
Sam not getting the idea of using boxes for heads in perspective could be summed up as this: tell me you've never studied Bridgman without telling you've never studied Bridgman. Also rip to jakedontdraw getting bodied by Sam like that, ouch
Just received your art book and it is absolutely amazing! Everyone who looks at it is amazed at your artwork. It has so much good and interesting info in it too. You should truly be proud!
The boxes beef is so funny lmaoooo, true for beginners though! I think they're useful for informing perspective, lighting and volume so long as you keep in mind they're not organic shapes! And if you modify the box (i.e. make some of the faces trapezoid, use cylinders in places) then they can be really good for constructing poses etc, but to be able to draw well with them, you already need decent anatomy knowledge because they're not a good guideline for anatomy, which is where a lot of these tutorials incorporating them go wrong
I do not think I have ever laughed so hard from any of the artists I follow, Sam this one was a gooder. "Just remove the od from method and that is what you found" haha good one. Thanks for all the videos man, keep up the good work!
Just discovered you a few videos ago and i am enjoying myself a lot, didnt know you had war with boxes but this video pretty much showed me the intensity of the war
To be honest, there is no problem with the boxes. Renaissance masters were using boxes, but the thing is that, for a beginner who doesn’t know anatomy, they shouldn’t use boxes. But for a more advanced artist, if you know how to use them, boxes can be very useful.
I disagree. Everyone can use boxes, regardless of their level. They just have to know what to use them for. Boxes are for everything perspective related. When it comes to the face it's about placement of the symmetric features in perspective, in 3/4 view for instance. Or spacing the thirds correctly when the face is seen from above or below. That's what you use the box for: only perspective, nothing anatomy related.
@@lonestarr1490yep. I’ve never gotten sams dislike for them. If you can rotate cubes perfectly in perspective then all you need next is form and u can draw almost anything from reference in any position. Then all you need is the other fundamentals and ur on ur well on your way draw anything from imagination. He also only ever shows poorly drawn cube to faces. Someone like kuzomari nailed the cube method and now all his drawings have absurdly good perspective.
@@Rain-nm1eepersonally boxes have always sucked for me, I know they’re ment for placement but it just screws me up, it got to a point where I just stopped using guidelines, more simplified things help me more, maybe that’s just how my brain works but I can’t stand boxes
@@Randomgachatuber-z3g yeah that’s valid. Everyone’s gotta find their own way. Personally I use a cube/3D rectangle for the torso and pelvis and the rest is pretty much all cylinders. (For the undersketch)
right now you are my favorite youtuberr, you have a mix between funny an informational, i just cant stop watching your videos they bring me out of art block 😍😍
I used to be against boxes too, but I've found they can be useful - when used correctly. I picked up George Bridgeman's Constructive Anatomy book as it was recommended by many other artists. In the section on The Head, he says: "For so long a time has the oval been used as the basis for the construction of the human head and face that the use of the block or cube seems quite evolutionary. Yet for many reasons the cube seems preferable. The oval is too indefinite, and offers no points for comparison, no basis for measurement. The eye does not fix on any point in a curved line. On the ground plane of a square, however, any form may be built. The block moreover carries with it from any angle its perspective and its foreshortening, and it carries with itself the sense of mass." That being said, the other points brought up here are also valid. Learn the rules before you break them. Fully understand the techniques before employing them. Then you can start exploring the space to understand and stretch the limits of your style and preferences.
My book just came yesterday and it is goergous. I really just need time to look through ever page. I admire your work. And you are why I still draw today. Im only twelve, so I can’t always get everything from my fav tubers. Sadly I can’t be in your patreon (idk how spell that) because of my financial issues (aka I can’t get a job until im 14/ not allowed to) but please. Keep going. Keep learning. we love your burbs fr.
Don't underestimate box method. It gives really good understanding of where every element on face should be placed. It's just most tutorials about it suck.
W the last one I would agree but my art style is basically a circle with ears of course some of them I do use triangles for personality but I need a “trying this TikTok tips”
People need to stop thinking that the Loomis method consists of what he teaches on page 1 of his book! The book does continue on after page 1 and covers how to adapt the default standard to all kinds of different head shapes, proportions, and caricatures! 🎉 Please, for the love of God, read more than one page, guys ❤😂
I'm pretty new to this and I'm working on anatomy and specifically bodies and stuff, and I don't always feel like adding a head so I just draw a box bc it's easy for me to visualize in 3d, i also like using boxes to start off different parts bc, again, it's easier for me to visualize in 3d.
I'll never get tired of Sam's beef with boxes lmao
The only truly entertaining internet beef
@@Fr0ggyyCl0wnagreed.
hehe
@@Frostizue 46 secs ago, you are still here right?
Samdoesarts the number one box hater vs Pikat the number one box enjoyer
Box is bad, and paint doesn't smell. These were some very productive notes.
Yes
Some say that if you sniff paint while in a box Samdoesart bestow his power so you see the vision of the birb. Touch grass afterward.
👆👆
@@MargaretS-e1g What in the furry is this comment
Box bad, paint no bad smell
Sam's beef with boxes is universal
Frrr
The thing with boxes, and I'm sure Sam knows this, is that they are not to draw anatomy, they are to draw the structure.
When you add the anatomy on top, it dosn't needs to match the box, the box is there because it is much easier and more precise to understand the planes of a box than of a circle and that makes it easier to find the perspective. But boxes are used to draw people all the time. The mistake is to think that the shape of the box corresponds to the anatomy. It's like a low poly skeleton.
Boxes help beginners learn the angles of the structures. Eventually, it's good to move on to more accurate shapes, though.
Agreed, sometimes if I’m having trouble visualizing how a face will look in a certain perspective then I draw a box to understand where the planes are and the base the sketch of the head off of that
Yeah low poly box bad
Thanks for the clarification! As a beginner, I got confused about why Sam explained that using a box is bad, when it helped me a lot to know where the face/body is facing, especially at head angles. I'm still a little confused, but I guess I need to figure it out on my own.😅
Help, I actually had this phase before. I was able to draw boxes accurately, but the problem was that I tended to try to match the anatomy above the structure (which turned out not okay). I had been wondering if drawing boxes didn't work for me, but turned out I was using the structures incorrectly the whole time. I'm really thankful for Sam and this comment. It really helps improve my drawing:D
4:07 I love it when tutorials are 25 hours long. I won’t even bother clicking on a tutorial video shorter than that!
the fact that the tutorial was longer than a day is so reaslictic😀
@@rat-v5w fr 🤣
Despite the length of the video, he was a great artist. That eye he drew was amazing.
@@tiacool7978 yup he good at explaining but the yapping tho 🤣
@shinobimaster4013 the explaining is the yapping 😅
Did jakedontdraw so dirty, he’s actually such a goated artist/art teacher. Phenomenal tips/tutorials
Frrrr
And also one of the best teachers/mentors
@@TokoChapo imho definitely, I feel out of all the art RUclipsrs I’ve ever watched, his stuff helped me out most
@jammzpocket As his pupil I have only good to say about him
And if a person can't sit for a few mins and listen to his words it's obvious that that's their problem not Jake's
I don't think Jakedontdraw's are supposed to be super short art tutorials, rather he's actively SHOWING people his entire process in order for them to learn and understand from it. A live timelapse with commentary.
they're called youtube shorts, not youtube longs
0:10 Best shot of the video
so true XD
Fr 😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂
Erm actually 0:11
SARCASM ! DON’T HATE
I like how the video smoothly transitioned from rendering to a box war
the long tutorial was amazing, 11/10 very good. dont let your attention spam ruin your learning lol
Yeah, the guys name is Jake Don’t Draw, and he has fantastic tutorials and really funny videos on RUclips as well
it's good enouf he does get accross the essential but he really is rambling for way to long after he has already made his point witout adding any new context or information which you could just cut and instantly make a better vidéo sometimes less is more
@@just.a.cube.yes i see his stuff plenty of times. helped me realize a few things abt art
@@thefrenchbastard1646 in design theory yea but art in general requires a lot of patience , his rambling reflects that, plus it isn't just bs its actually great advice and makes you think differently about art and inspires you, you're hearing it but not listening.
So true bro the drain rot is always so short it's ruining our attention spam
JakeDontDraw actually has some really good videos. Definitely suggest looking into his stuff.
Yeah, i really like his longer stuff
Whenever I couldn’t draw well I would always look for tutorials on youtube & none of them helped me. But there is one youtube art tutorial that helped me get better at drawing humans and it makes me so happy!!
I still need to work on posing, their faces and their hair, but I’m still really proud that I can finally draw a human body. The next thing I need to work on is background, all of my characters are just in a white background lol
Edit: the youtuber that helped me was Jin Yana Lei
What vid was it? Honestly i am struggling with drawing bodies and i can’t find any good tutorials T^T
@@Life-mz6hmSearch *Jin Yana Lei*
@@Life-mz6hmI edited my comment because it won’t let me reply to you
@ thank uuu~~
6:59 sam was absolutely wild for that 💀
Nah bro 💀
“‘I have found the method’. You have not found the method youve found the method without the od” might be my new favorite insult
Imagine the one day Sam gets a tut that involves a box, but it’s actually to just draw a box. Nothing more. Just. Box.📦
GENIUS, I NEED TO SEE THIS
@@aelin1516 FR!
He needs to watch some jmarron how to draw a circle
There are so many artists in the world it's amazing.
There are so many artists in the world who shouldn't be making tutorials... reminds me when I was younger and tried to make tutorials despite being bad and not understanding shit. Super cringe. Even now when people ask me to make tutorials I just tell them "there are already a lot of people making tutorials who are way better than me, I learned from them and you should too".
I don't even think those people are making tutorials to teach, they're making them to get views. Noobs won't make the difference between a bad and good tutorial.
I specifically saw a youtube tutorial of "use box for head not ball" The point of that tutorial was simply talking about how it's hard to get things on the side of your head (mostly ears) in the right place when you use other constructions (like a ball). When the head is looking up or down, the height on the canvas of the ear compared to the eye line changes, and drawing a mid-line around a box can help you realize where it should be. When you draw your line around a ball, it's kind of difficult to angle that line correctly for perspective.
I played around with it for a while, and it did help me a bit when drawing heads at odd angles, but I don't use it most of the time.
About the Loomis method: something that I always noticed is that people seem to not read what Loomis wrote in his books and only copied the head examples and though that is how you are supposed to do every head ever. In his book "Fun With a Pencil" you can see how it can be used for caricature.
I'm a visual learner. Boxes really mess me up because they never make sense beyond angular shapes, so I've been trying to merge and test out a bunch of different methods to see what works for me. The boxes are super helpful for perspective settings but otherwise they make me feel like a fish flopping in the sand. 1 flop forward 3 flops back. xD
Olivia Rodrigo vibes
@@w31rd0_xx What does that mean?
You should try read some anatomy for artist by tomfoxdraws, he explain it well how to use box to draw anatomy
I used to hate box, mainly because i don't understand perspective well enough until recently someone enlightened me about it and holy crap, box does fix a lot of my problem and help me improve tremendously and the best thing was it help me draw head more accurately than before
I don't care Whatever sam say about boxes, but i fucking love boxes now
4:00 you should’ve use the SpongeBob card “so much time that old narrator left and a new narrator had to cover” (something like that)
I genuinely have never used boxes for anatomy, especially for the head. It always feels like just a crutch to make the page less blank. And in my case makes it more cluttered and confusing.
Jakedontdraw is un ironically goated
thank you sam, your videos are so entertaining but have also helped me come a long way with my art
We are witnessing Sam slowly losing his sanity to the boxes 😭😭
2:48 omg lts JAKEDONTDRAW👏💜
I love him but i was like oh no bc hes a talker😭
@ 👍 yes
5:58 petition to rename this video “Sam vs Boxes”
Sam!! Don't be scared, it's just me! You know, the guy who breaks into your house at night, steals your food, punches your dog, and, at dawn, appears out of nowhere to almost kill you from the heart and, on top of that, get art advices and leave! :D
1:21 THE WAY HIS SMILE DROPPED WEOAUBQAV23OCR9NL😭😭
Sam not getting the idea of using boxes for heads in perspective could be summed up as this: tell me you've never studied Bridgman without telling you've never studied Bridgman. Also rip to jakedontdraw getting bodied by Sam like that, ouch
fr, bridgman goat
Sam you make me happy. This is extremely genuine, I’m going through a lot and your videos are a really helpful distraction. Love you man
Just received your art book and it is absolutely amazing! Everyone who looks at it is amazed at your artwork. It has so much good and interesting info in it too. You should truly be proud!
The boxes beef is so funny lmaoooo, true for beginners though! I think they're useful for informing perspective, lighting and volume so long as you keep in mind they're not organic shapes! And if you modify the box (i.e. make some of the faces trapezoid, use cylinders in places) then they can be really good for constructing poses etc, but to be able to draw well with them, you already need decent anatomy knowledge because they're not a good guideline for anatomy, which is where a lot of these tutorials incorporating them go wrong
5:02 I love the fact that she draws a box to help herself... and then comepletly ignores it xD
sam's beef with boxes should be a villain backstory
I do not think I have ever laughed so hard from any of the artists I follow, Sam this one was a gooder. "Just remove the od from method and that is what you found" haha good one. Thanks for all the videos man, keep up the good work!
Imagine you being a silly guy on TikTok making silly art videos and Sam appears and judge you 💀😂
7:11 mickey mouse hit puberty or smth? 😭😭
Fr
He hardly has😭
Just discovered you a few videos ago and i am enjoying myself a lot, didnt know you had war with boxes but this video pretty much showed me the intensity of the war
This is the earliest I've stumbled up on a video. Nice
Loveee this series!!! ALSOOO I GOT YOUR BOOK LAST WEEK AND IT'S BEAUTIFULL!!! Amazing art, so so so glad i found your channel :) KEEP GOING!
This shall be the only way I can watch TikTok
jake dont draw genuinely the goat, he made me progress so much with portrait/ life-drawing art
To be honest, there is no problem with the boxes. Renaissance masters were using boxes, but the thing is that, for a beginner who doesn’t know anatomy, they shouldn’t use boxes. But for a more advanced artist, if you know how to use them, boxes can be very useful.
I disagree. Everyone can use boxes, regardless of their level. They just have to know what to use them for. Boxes are for everything perspective related. When it comes to the face it's about placement of the symmetric features in perspective, in 3/4 view for instance. Or spacing the thirds correctly when the face is seen from above or below. That's what you use the box for: only perspective, nothing anatomy related.
@@lonestarr1490yep. I’ve never gotten sams dislike for them. If you can rotate cubes perfectly in perspective then all you need next is form and u can draw almost anything from reference in any position. Then all you need is the other fundamentals and ur on ur well on your way draw anything from imagination.
He also only ever shows poorly drawn cube to faces. Someone like kuzomari nailed the cube method and now all his drawings have absurdly good perspective.
@@Rain-nm1eepersonally boxes have always sucked for me, I know they’re ment for placement but it just screws me up, it got to a point where I just stopped using guidelines, more simplified things help me more, maybe that’s just how my brain works but I can’t stand boxes
@@Randomgachatuber-z3g yeah that’s valid. Everyone’s gotta find their own way. Personally I use a cube/3D rectangle for the torso and pelvis and the rest is pretty much all cylinders. (For the undersketch)
the intros always get me 😭🙏
right now you are my favorite youtuberr, you have a mix between funny an informational, i just cant stop watching your videos they bring me out of art block 😍😍
2:44 tbh I kinda hate boxes too I just, IDK HOW TO DRAW ANYTHING WITH THEM!!
1:32 minutes in and we are already starting off strong
11:33 sam what
I used to be against boxes too, but I've found they can be useful - when used correctly. I picked up George Bridgeman's Constructive Anatomy book as it was recommended by many other artists. In the section on The Head, he says:
"For so long a time has the oval been used as the basis for the construction of the human head and face that the use of the block or cube seems quite evolutionary. Yet for many reasons the cube seems preferable. The oval is too indefinite, and offers no points for comparison, no basis for measurement. The eye does not fix on any point in a curved line. On the ground plane of a square, however, any form may be built. The block moreover carries with it from any angle its perspective and its foreshortening, and it carries with itself the sense of mass."
That being said, the other points brought up here are also valid. Learn the rules before you break them. Fully understand the techniques before employing them. Then you can start exploring the space to understand and stretch the limits of your style and preferences.
Love to watch Sam on the weekends! ❤
Sam you're the reason I wake up I love your art and every video you make.
the algorithm is rage baiting sam with boxes now lmao
your intros are so endearing ❤
Love you sam you always inspire me to be an better artist ❤️❤️❤️
lol true..i never use the boxes for drawingggg i just hate thattttt lol and ty for showing me new ways to draw
Hearing sam say "✨️twitta✨️" was something i never knew i needed.
4:59
nothing like a new sam video to brighten up the day 😊
I watched your videos for the first time recently, and it motivated me to draw again
My book just came yesterday and it is goergous. I really just need time to look through ever page. I admire your work. And you are why I still draw today. Im only twelve, so I can’t always get everything from my fav tubers. Sadly I can’t be in your patreon (idk how spell that) because of my financial issues (aka I can’t get a job until im 14/ not allowed to) but please. Keep going. Keep learning. we love your burbs fr.
Bro Sam could take the best art in the world and roast it
6:15 sam looks like he is going to woop the boxes in to another realm
"what are you waiting for your enemy is out there"
that line went crazy
Don't underestimate box method. It gives really good understanding of where every element on face should be placed. It's just most tutorials about it suck.
I just found this man and I already like his distaste of boxes
Who thinks Sam needs to do a video on the art of Arcane 👇!
your artbook landed at my door today, and as a villager i thank you for feeding your village with art knowledge 🙏
honestly some really good tiktoks this time
Yeah I wondered why boxes never worked with me
"Take out the OD in method, that's what you found." -SamDoesArts
W the last one I would agree but my art style is basically a circle with ears of course some of them I do use triangles for personality but I need a “trying this TikTok tips”
I used to use box's before I used circles it was a very bad phase of mine
Ah yes, under ten minutes. Also can never get enough sam
Just found your channel and im already obsessed and can tell ima be binge watching (send help)
Sam s tattoo looks really neat.
I havent been here for 3 years because I quit drawing but now im gonna start again and your videos are still as amazing as they usrd to be
No wonder why I can NEVER EVER get my hands on “draw head as boxes”
Loving your new haircut, keep up with this video series
Samdoesn'tdoboxes, the new villain era
The back pqin in the end is quite relatable
0:32 wow. NOW thats art
I love black and white. Every time I try color, I always feel like I eff up my drawings
when i grow up ill immerse myself in a large box of paint and drown in its supreme scent
Babe wake up! Sam just uploaded a weekly video!
People need to stop thinking that the Loomis method consists of what he teaches on page 1 of his book! The book does continue on after page 1 and covers how to adapt the default standard to all kinds of different head shapes, proportions, and caricatures! 🎉 Please, for the love of God, read more than one page, guys ❤😂
I've been saying people for years that they should actually read Loomis books and not just copy the head example.
Best art channel
I would kill to replace every scent on Earth with the smell of paint
"So if youve never seen a human skeleton, what are you waiting for? Your enemy is out there!" Made me laugh. I dont laugh often.
Breaking the 4th wall in 9:30 after "triangle" is so iconic
I'm pretty new to this and I'm working on anatomy and specifically bodies and stuff, and I don't always feel like adding a head so I just draw a box bc it's easy for me to visualize in 3d, i also like using boxes to start off different parts bc, again, it's easier for me to visualize in 3d.
rating tiktok art tutorial : ❌
roasting box art tutorial : ✅
SAM ARE YOU ALRIGHT???0:06 edit: Sam is the most expressive person i know lol and im i the only one who noticed the thing next to the birbs???
Sam when is the book coming I want mine please 🙏
box is bad. sam is good. sam is life.
I saw the thumbnail and instantly said “this is Sam goes mad”😂😂
Every time Sam releases a new video I rejoice
Ugh I love Lainey’s videos on TikTok
“You got to know the rules before you break them.” GOLD!
9:32 the side eye
I'M A SMALL ARTIST AND I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU
*"THE BOX SUCKS"*
Love this series!! ❤❤