The New Ethereum ASIC Miner Is Stupid
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Decent price? I'm anti-bitmain and that prices makes me want to buy it. They priced them that low to unload them quickly.
they know eth is going POS and other coins will likely fork like sumokoin and monero have after their cryptonight asic was released
Given the current price of ethereum, they couldn’t have priced it higher and expected people to buy them
the BITMAIN AntMiner X3 still making $139 a day in nicehash lol thats a lot dude :D
Yeah 800 bucks for the same performance as a $2-3k gpu rig is very tempting - even if it isn't super impressive performance, the price/mh is great.
THey will only sell you if they have something much better for them to mine..so you can bet that mine with this for some time..then they something better so they will sell this old and then mine with better one ..this is how they work for years on all coins.
I think it is excellent. If I can finally get a rx470 for a reasonable price, it has accomplished its goal.
let the price good down I'll start buying cards again and YES FOR MINING. I'm a real miner the price drop on coins doesn't stop me in fact i mine more .....
Harry Hightower I meant that while my 1050 ti has been serving me great, I kinda want higher FPS on insurgency and cities skylines and freesync is great too, but... ok?
I remember the first time i upgraded it felt AMAZING going from a amd r7 260x to a gtx 1060 3gb OOF it was so cool.
Same. Cucking gamers out of their pew pew games and shitting all over their entitled attitudes feels amazing,
Anon ymous say what? I am complaining, but Im not blaming miners...
The next few months will be very interesting. New Nvidia gpus and now this. Currently mining is at a low point, but we’ve learned with crypto...things can change in either direction extremely quickly.
New nvidia GPUs are still rumors. We've had no statement from Nvidia what-so-ever, which means there's atleast 6 months until release. late 2018/early 2019 release is more appropriate, heed my words.
Yeah well, Nvidia and AMD are not the same company. Their marketing strategies are very, very different. Each year a new nvidia GPU-serie is announced, there's atleast 3+ months until it releases.
you are missing a headline "Intel Wants to Patent a Bitcoin Mining Hardware 'Accelerator'" , so AMD should release something interesting soon xD
Every time i come onto youtube i swear that you upload a new video.
3x a day
I think they made the hash and power equal to a 6GPU rig so it was easier to mask these on the ETH network for the last couple of months. I mean, it just looked like a bunch of people were setting up new 6 card rigs and mining ETH, right? I didn't see any uber hashrate ASIC rigs on the chain, did you? :|
Just my theory.
You dont see uber hashrate on the pools because they are either using their own pools or a proxy.
I don't think this is the reason. If so, why not mimic a 12 card rig?
Personally I hope all crypto currency crashes and burns. Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
I think this ASIC miner is a very big deal because if a miner wanted to build a computer for mining, they wont just have to pay for 6 RX580, but also Main boards, huges power supplies, + Rams! So their mining computer/computers will cost like 3000$ overall...vs just 800 for an ASIC miner....
It's 2 grand now. For a July shipping. Makes literally zero sense. No resale value. 6 month warranty. Risk of hard fork. Cant mine different algos. Less energy efficient (Rx 580 can go to 88 watts at the wall if bios modded and undervolted correctly).
TheGodfather101 sorry you still live in an old civilization dude ... Chips inside today's asics are FPGA , reprogramable chips so that's why they can mine every crypto and in two months they can reprog them for the hard fork ....
Yeah tell that to the cryptonight miner genius. No, the chips inside todays asics are asic chips. FPGA is not an asic chip. FPGA miners have FPGA chips. They are completely different tech. Once an asic chip is formatted to its specific algo, it cannot be re purposed. That is the reason bitmain sold their antminer e3 at 800 when the cryptonight fork first happened. they panicked at the news that ETH might do the same. Literally the day that Vitalak Buterin Announced that they werent going to the immediately hardfork, bam, 2000. Do your research first.
i was saying it the whole time
if an asic does exist, aka announced, its already been mining
the network hash rate didnt really show that AND all the new miners
this thing is prolly what they mine on instead of buying GPU and they need to recoup x3 costs
Bitman is already mining with F3 Ethereum ASIC with 1500 mgh. No matter what Nvidia and AMD are going to do they will never do better on a single GPU card neither offer a better hash price performance ratio. Victory to bitman for this round.
Honestly, you can make more money at this point to buy and trade Ethereum instead of mining it.
If the new ASIC Miner can make even a small dent in the GPU shortage or hurt the GPU Hogs, then it is not stupid in my eyes.
Viet Lee he is doing this to stop some from buying 😂😂 eth will go wild and gpus ti 12gb will earn like $0.3 day and if price go lower...
Only stupid miners mine Eth with GPUs these days. The real money is made elsewhere.
I don't think it's stupid to release a platform 3 times (ish) cheaper than the the current set ups? If a 6xRX580 costs $2250 and you can get the same performance at $800.00 - that also means you can get 2.8 times the performance for $2250.00. That's half a GH/s instead of a 180MH/s for the same price? I'll agree that the timing for the new releases will also come into play - but the odds you getting a higher performance from new GPUs at the same price as the ASIC is extremely low. The ASIC is cost effective and that's what miners are looking for. Global trends and market changes come second to "can I make money faster using GPUs or ASICs". The answer is an ASIC will return your money faster.
Remember the gold race?
The only ones that become insanely rich were the ones selling tools for gold mining.
Bitcoin is much the same in many aspects o that.
The price is off. Already 1800usd. Go see for yourself.
Makes sense, if it's old ASICs they've been using for months and are unloading before the POW to POS change of Ethereum. There's a sucker born every minute you know.
Altherix yeah Bitmain sucks AF
One thing about ASIC: when maker are selling them its because they alredy have something more profitable and they want to make some rooms (same happen when bitcoin ASIC begin) so dont expect ROI on them soon
I agree. We don't have to worry about this, till version 2 =(
You took the words right out of my mouth. When i looked up the e3 and saw MH/s i was blown away. I was expecting at least GH/s. You hear ASIC and people lose it. Think with all the complexities people dont know what a good hash rate is. Thats one of the things causing a stir up. But yeah you nailed it on the head. Who knows. Gpus are hard to get and the e3 could be the late mans foot in the door.
You look like you just woke up from mid day nap. Probably still trying to get used to the time difference here in the states, hehe.
Keep also in mind that the time you are going to receive it the difficulty will be up... you buy something now and maybe you are lucky to get it after 3-4 months....
Let's say I am brand spanking new to this type of miner. First off, how long would it take to pay off? Second, how do you set up this weird thing in real life? How would you go about finding a place to put this that is not your home? Does it produce a lot of heat and noise? Third, could we use this device to mine lesser known coin? If so, how? ok, ok, okay... I think I'm asking you to make a video on this topic.
But with this, and with AmpVolTuring GPUs coming out, I think used Pascal market will be pretty good
hi ufd tech.. i was just wondering... do monero(xmr) have dag file? like ethereum? will all cards be affected by dag file? what coins dont use dag file that we can mine
A few points to consider THERE IS A MAINIA CRYPTO BUBBLE right now even after the price crashes. Everyone and their dog wants in. If you are informed and have been here, then you are shaking your head at what these people will toss money at: but the fact is they don't know they will lose money and will CHASE ALMOST ANYTHING CRYPTO. So when you look at that Bitmain releasing this now while those people will buy it is a no-brainer.
I disagree with you on a strictly dollars basis... even if the 1180 is capable double the hasrate at 1/4 The power of the 1080ti. The cost per hash is still lower and more attainable. So it's an alright buy In my opinion.
You were around for Nvidea’s Pascal launch right? When AMD has said they were not releasing high end Polaris, and the 1080 was $700 usd, the 1070 $529, the 1060 released at $289 for the 6GB model.
The new cards are going up, and I expect a much bigger MSRP jump than the Maxwell to Pascal switch.
Now what p104 is getting 40 mh/s? Not the 1070. Not the 1070ti, and not the 1080. The 1080ti is on the p102 and the MSRP is $700 usd.
The miner may not have the crazy speeds, the 2:1 leak was pretty dead on. 4 Vegas at MSRP would cost $1600 for about 172 mh/s. This would give you 180 for $800. Pretty much a no brainer, just like it is a no brainer that there is no way in heck Nvidea is going to double the compute power of the 1080ti and sell them for $400 a piece. I don’t understand how a new line of cards makes the miner pointless at $800 usd; heck, if it was $1200 it would still be less expensive, which would take the hash power of 3 of Nvidea’s best gaming card. Their compute cards are not going to be faster for the money. It just won’t happen.
The Titan V which they call their most powerful next gen compute card gets 65-70 with custom memory tweaks and a bios mod while costing over $3,000 usd, I highly doubt they will have any card or combination of that gets 180 mh/s for anywhere approaching $800 usd.
I think gpu mining is 100% in serious trouble now. Until a new coin comes out on a completely unique algorithm *WITH* a superior use case than anything out now (sort of like Ethereum did) and catches on in time (again, Ethereum didn’t go from $0.013 too $35 in a week, it was a struggle for over a year I believe; then it exploded), it is not looking pretty for people who relied on 100 card rigs to live. Make passive extra money? Absolutely. Get rich? Maybe, if that new coin is already out and you are mining it, but not probable.
This miner has little to do with it though. Prices and the other ASICs are the big culprits. Ahh well, this seems to happen every 2nd year.
Mining booms for a year, dies for 2, comes back, dies, comes back, dies...if history repeats it will be back in people’s houses in a couple years, ppl with really large farms will be fine, big home farms will need to get regular jobs for a bit, and people that had 1-30 cards weren’t living off them anyway, so they can just go on normally with less extra money to spend.
New batch is $2150 per machine lol. What a stupid price
the price is great tho
The fact Ethereum was designed from the outset to be ASIC-resistant is the reason this first generation is not leaps and bounds better than what's already available in any way except cost. Someone has to buy into the first release to make revenue available for a second generation. And so on.
The fact that Bitmain believes they've made an ASIC miner against an ASIC-resistant cryptocurrency is the headline here. It's an ASIC miner with an internal memory, but if that memory isn't upgradeable, it'll have very limited lifespan. How well it works will determine where innovation goes. Since ETH and others show that ASIC-resistant coins are drawing attention, it'll probably lead to new developments for better ASIC-resistance.
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That being said, what do you think will happend when GDDR6/HBM2 becomes normal and the tons of leftover GDDR5 chips are sold for nothing, THERE you will see the memory hard algorithms get new faster asics.
GPU prices are supposedly going up this year, so even if power efficiency does improve it'll be redundant since you'll have to spend more to get an equivalent amount of hashing power. All of what you've mentioned doesn't even take into account the possibility of bitmain creating a better ASIC down the road. They've already stated 180MH/s is the minimum and it could actually be way more by the time it's released so it's pretty useless to make predictions based preliminary information from bitmain and next to zero information from Nvidia's new graphics cards. It's better to wait and see but as of right now things aren't too promising given casper is nowhere to be found and Vitalik has already rejected a hard fork.
Why to mine at this point of the game? I am investing in ethereum, but just a few coins here and there. Im buying some of these miners but to dump the profits and buy some other coins.
Still there's a lot of uncertainties if Ethereum will hard fork, POS, Nvidia new GPUs cost a bomb or difficulty getting them.
6 gpu's cost more than that asic, plus because it is an asic, expect it on youtube for $3000
Isn't a gpu mining rig still vastly more expensive even at msrp
Yeah so 180/30 = 6, 6*300 = $1,800 in cards alone
Hell if you want to say the new cards do double the hash rate you'd still be paying $900 in cards alone.
I don't see this as a bad value proposition
The difference is that you can use GPUs to do different currencies as well as do hard forks, where as ASICs can't.
lol Pascal and Vega are not going to be obsolete
are you expecting a big 100% leap in performance or what ?!
AT best the next xx80 ti is going to be 30-35% better than the 1080 ti
The next xx80 will be about on par with the 1080 ti but draw 30-40% less power
ironically i think the first batch of asics are going to bitway i think lol, it may be a good passive income but i prefer rbit tokens
BUNCH of 1080 bout to go on sale. Wish I never bought these stupid ASICS cant believe I fomod SOO bad. Live and learn
They are not $800 anymore. They are now selling them for $1800!
800 plain .. don`t forget psu,shipping and costume tax
I bet you alredy ordered at least one E3 :)
I do disagree with ASIC's, but everyone is getting into mining to make profit as fast as possible so the important thing here is the ROI. For 800$ it's worth at least trying, don't you think so?
in mining July is a long time away.
you can buy 5 on 1 account then create another account i ordered 20 so far
The ETHash is still ASIC reistance. The E3 have 6 old GPU Chips with extra ASIC Shader Chips. This is a very cheap GPU Miner.
Mark us Vo ethash has already and secret powerfull asic ...
One side of me: Meh, they should have kept this a quiet secret instead of revealing to the world that an ethereum asic will destroy all GPU miners and dominate in crypto.
They would have made more money and control of the network. Miners are forced to sell their rigs and gamers can buy the GPUs they want. Amen.
Other side of me: Oh damn. I just want GPUs and decent ram. I'll live okay.
AstroTech Studios this miners are already operating since early 2017 so they are now on the new gen of their asics ( which are secret) and they selling you this old used piece of shit ....
My thoughts exactly. This "ASIC" is a remarkably weak device and provides virtually no efficiency gain over what's already out there. The only advantage that it has is the sticker price, but GPUs have way more resell value and can be repurposed for other uses (the E3 is cheaper, but a GPU rig is more valuable). It might provide some more competition in the market, but it's hardly a threat to GPU mining (if anything, it might help lower the price of GPUs, which reduces the one advantage that the E3 has).
And yet, the Ethereum mining community is completely losing their minds over this supposed ASIC and shitting on Vitalik and the developers for not hard-forking, LOL. It's quite amazing how such a mediocre piece of hardware (which won't even be out for several months) can inspire such an emotional reaction.
do you feel the same way about all asic's?
No. The E3 is just dumb
If you sell a piece of shit, literally, and somebody buys is... it ain't stupid.
Especially wend you ate a cake, shat, sold and now you got cash for more cake.
Because Bitmain might be selling shit but they eat cakes first!
So they basically bought a bunch of left over chips at a discount over stock style and put this things together? This sounds like an outlet store for Nvidia and AMD to me.
I’m going to laugh so hard if eth becomes PoS instead of PoW and ALL HARDWARE will be worthless. The only thing you would be able to use any gpu or asic for would be the daggerhashimotto protocol altcoins, or other coins that aren’t part of the Ethereum ecosystem. Makes me want to invest in some of the smaller PoW coins and their networks. After all, the value of the coin tends to shadow the increase in size of their computational network of miners...
That's why it's only $800. They want you to buy a truck load.
$300 per rx480 is a lowball price in the current market. $400 is more realistic, meaning $2,400 for 6.
You get 3 times more bang per $ from the ASIC.
Sure new GPU's are coming but nobody knows how they wil perform yet. The 1080 line is dominating AMD right now at every price point, Nvidia's next consumer cards might only be a minor upgrade.
AMD really needs to step up their game with their next line of GPU or face becoming irrelevant in the GPU market and that would be terrible for consumers.
The point isn't the MH/s, it's the USD per hash that you're paying. Wake up
is it me or can you mine other ETHASH algorithm coins? Or is it only going to work on Ethereum?
E3 "batch 2" is $1800 fuck that
I get that this dude isnt a fan of ASICs. But at this point the E3 is much more cost effective than building a rig with similar hash. He did briefly touch on cost, but that should be the emphasis. Why would i build a rig at 3x the cost for the same hash? Then he went on to mention the new mining specific cards coming out- but again, build cost for a similar rig will be at least 2x that of the ASIC. That being said, i AM NOT buying an E3 and i do not have any GPU rigs so i have no skin in the game. I just think he should be more objective in his analysis.
Costs less than a single 1080ti with over 5x the performance, that's going to demolish Etherium mining for GPUs. If its not forked, this may be good news for gamers (I know, miners will switch to another coin, but its going to hurt the already low profits, making it less enticing).
Yet at 800 you would pay it off a lot faster
You said, "I don't believe this replaces anything..." YOU SIMPLY DO NOT GET IT... Yes, it DOES replace something. WHAT? It is the actual rig being replaced by Bitmain. The E3 [180 MH/s @ 800 watts] is being replaced by the F3 [1,500 MH/s @ 800 watts]. That's what is being replaced... Do you get it now? THAT IS HOW BITMAIN WORKS. THEY ARE SELLING OLD HARDWARE AS NEW TO THE PUBLIC WHILE REPLACING THIS HARDWARE WITH NEW HARDWARE TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES. THEY DO THIS REPEATEDLY. [Wash, Rinse... Repeat].
Hope the mine caves in burying all the miners.
What are you doing in USA away from home?
Fork! Fork! Fork!
I know the miner won’t actually affect the community that much, I just want to see Bitmain get screwed over
who woulda guessed the day would come when existing architecture crushes every game out there and it's on the way OUT lol
Bitmain bought themselves some time to develop better faster ETH ASIC. Maybe they're already using them to mine and are just dumping their gen1 slower ASIC's. Anyways the E3 did it's job and at today's ETH DEV meeting they decided this ASIC was not enough of a threat to justify an anti-asic fork at this time. Bitmain is very happy about this! I think the E3 was a deliberate old tech dump
The timing and price is clearly a way for bitmain to unload a product that will be subpar when it actualy shipped. That's another scam move from bitmain.
6 rx570s plus motherboard plus ram plus accessories doesnt compare price-wise.
It seems GPU mining has gone out of fashion finally :) Now for first time in a long while stores have GTX1080ti and similar at storage and NO ONE is bying them !!! Soon prices on GPUs will drop specially when miners start selling their rigs. ROI on GPU mining is already 2-4 years and the profit have been going down slowly and steadily for months. If you absolutely want to make money on crupto currency trading will make a lot more money much much faster...
But *can it run CRYSIS* ?
Seriously, it cant. A 3 gpu pc games by day, and can mine overnight.
180mh is nice, but can it break 1000fps in Minecraft ?
Bitmain is trying to make it comparable to gpu rigs but cheaper so they don't fork
They increased the price to $1900. Not worth it.
Stupid.. Yes! (Thank God!) Normally I hate ASIC sucks since they destroy the mining network (and they compromise decentralization). This I don't think Bitmain will have any succes with this one.
180 Mh/s = Same as 4x RX Vega 64. These use about 150-160W each @ 44,2Mh/s when tweaked properly + CPU/mobo etc. Still less than 800W from the wall. And that is STILL not really profitable is the current ETH state (with power costs in the higher end).
Sure.. 2400$ (600$ per card MSRP) BUT the 4 Vega cards have value to do other things (like gaming / deep learning) after the mining stops. One can build 4 awesome Gaming PC's with them next year. Vega 64 will age like fine wine regarding gaming.
The Asic will be just a paperweight.
I think ETH is difficult to make an ASIC for, since it is (almost only) memory optimized algo.
im supporting gpu mining but ALL people in this world want to make money selling gpu to high, and there is no profitable, if you compare with asic is the best way, less price and too much less space.
Use the miner to run Crisis.
nice coverage
Where do I buy a rx580 for 300$
The used market.
Learnt a lot
What happens to your Ethereum coins when Ethereum goes to PoS?
Vid tomorrow
Nice, looking forward to it.
turn your music at the end of your videos down please
It is better than a gpu mining rig...erm...go find out how much it costs to buy 6 rx580's right now. It is much cheaper to buy the asic miner.
ASICs will help other people to speed up and gain some coins. Compare it to experience boost for newbies in games. No one is against it there, so why not doing same thing here. After all, cryptocurrency mining is just a one big hobby/play project. Just find yourself a real job guys.
What if all cryptocurrency is abolished from the world? Will the people who bought the coins be paid back?
ooo stretch that video out to 10 mins
I think NVidia will paper launch the GPUs in 3 months and they won't be available for another few months or so, maybe a year. So it's not so bad, something for the interim.
PoW is going to die.
Jesse James Headrick yeah in one year no more rigs alive
ZCASH KING
This is a horrible news for gamers and miners (worst for gamers)
go go go go ASIC!!!
3000$ vs 800$? Wtf iS y’all smoking lmao 😂😂😂 asic is clearly the winning. I already order mine😀😀😀
Umm
Those ppl that dislike are the ones who bought an E3 lol
Giddem' booiiiii
The ROI isn't bad, if you had it now. But ETH is tanking and this thing is coming out at a terrible time. However, now that ETH has ASICs maybe they will come out with something more powerful later this year.
Spot on. Although at 800 USD, the ROI time is much shorter. That said, I don't know if its hashrate vs power consumption is still profitable.
Also that outro.
good info. also are you on coke? alot of fast talking lol
He's a crybaby because all the crypto currencies are crashing.
So?
also asic etherium miners will be useless when etherium goes PoS
while GPU miners can just change to another coin to mine
The E3 isnt stupid, its the people who buy GPUs solely to mine ethereum having a retardation complex thinking that a cryptocurrency can be "resistant to ASICs"
As of now, if you want to get into ETH, buy ETH. Im not getting into sour grapes, but this is because mining is simply not profitable unless you buy at factory prcie and have super cheap Extra High Tension electricity.
What is an ASIC? Application specific IC. An integrated circuit can be made specifically to anything. There is nothing in Ethereum that prevents specialised hardware. A good ASIC for Eth would be one that has the GPU cores, but without the pixel shaders that we dont need, increasing performance, bandwidth per compute core, and decreasing power use.
Boring and pointless
PoS
Imagine this E3 with these damn loud fans it will make people crazy! It is so incredibly loud no one wants this in their homes, better have a GPU rig
Bro I've been watching your vids for some time now. Posting videos as frequently as you do is taking a noticeable toll on you. The hell with the RUclips community, take a week off and rejuvenate. In your down time brain storm and then come back to us with a plethora of information.
There is no competition this new asic is a good deal. Cheap, good mh/s, and good tdp. It's small, no hardware or software trouble shooting, and for the cost of 1 rig with 8 gpus you can buy 3-4 of them. Makes sense if you want something to mine with.
It's impossible to mine a smart contract with an ASIC
Sean Hannold True
I feel like hes making so many videos because he's almost broke from putting all his money in ether at $1200
Johny Appleseed I sold some over $1200. Wish I sold more 🤔😨
this is great content -- where's the patreon?
ive been collecting ETH since january so i have 0.1 ETH now and i cant sell it xD im minning gtx 1050ti 90% of time when im not on my pc
Atomic Dounut Thats nice actually
Matija Kruhoberec yes it would be nice if 1ETH was above 1200$ but right now its pointless to sell it ..