@@thecommonsenseconservative5576 Ah, the cosmic comedy of astronomers, those daring jesters who've choreographed a symphony of linguistic acrobatics to sidestep the shocking ideas of electric and plasma models. Their fear of cosmic alternatives has reached such heights that they've embarked on a verbal escapade, pirouetting away from the cosmic outcast - plasma. Witness the grand illusion: once-humble plasma filaments, those wisps of ionized matter, have now ascended to the lofty title of "objects." Yes, you heard it right - objects. As if uttering the P-word might unleash a cosmic uprising, shaking the very foundations of astronomical dogma and causing constellations to rearrange themselves in protest. It's as if astronomers are engaging in a celestial game of charades, surreptitiously swapping "plasma" for the vague "objects." "Behold these mysterious objects," they declare, with a wink and a nudge, hoping the cosmic audience won't catch on to the subterfuge. All the while, desperately trying to divert attention from the heretical notion that perhaps, just perhaps, electricity isn't just an inconvenient afterthought in the grand cosmic theater. But why the cosmic bashfulness, esteemed astronomers? Is it the sheer horror of challenging the sacred doctrines, the shivers at the thought that the universe might be a bit more electrically charged than their beloved textbooks insist? Or could it be simpler: the allure of cosmic trickery, renaming plasma currents as elusive "objects" and hoping the universe won't file a cosmic lawsuit for misrepresentation? And now, brace yourself for the cosmic twist, the pièce de résistance of this grand performance: astronomers, with a cavalier disregard for scientific integrity, have birthed a menagerie of cosmic absurdities from the celestial void - dark photons, dark ions, dark sectors, dark voids, and introducing the utterly fantastical dark monkeys swinging from dark holes that seem to have emerged from Uranus. In this cosmic masquerade, astronomers, once revered as seekers of truth, now dance the cosmic fandango around inconvenient words. It's akin to discussing the solar system without whispering the word "Sun," a linguistic circus act that distorts the very essence of scientific inquiry. So, here's a standing ovation for these cosmic comedians, skillfully weaving a tapestry of "dark" entities, ultra-diffuse galaxies, and dark monkeys from the cosmic shadows. The theater of astronomy may be dimming, but the spectacle of linguistic escapades continues, performed under the bemused gaze of the old guard. Bravo, for turning the pursuit of knowledge into a cosmic vaudeville act, complete with dark photons, fantastical wordplay, and a planetary punchline that emerges from the darkest depths of humor: Uranus.
In my opinion, I think there has to be something more to it, as it is rare to have that strong of a "hydrogen signature" the exhibits rotation, but haven't been disturbed by any outside energy/forces. Interesting to see where this goes! Thanks for your time!
I thought perhaps a galaxy still in its infancy but your idea is also very plausible. Or they both go hand in hand and hydrogen gas distribution within the early universe would lead to the fornation of these "hydrogen signatures", some or many of which would eventually under gravitational accretion of the significant amounts of gas would birth gakaxies. Black holes may occur as a result in areas of extreme gas density.
Imagine if one of the few stars in that gas cloud had planets, intelligent creatures, inventing telescopes, starting to learn about the cosmos beyond their planets and their sun ... what a strange version of astronomy they'd have!
Yes, the opposite of what observers in a tight globular cluster would see who are surrounded by many more close stars than we are. Of course, few stars means no supernovae so no heavier elements, so tougher to form planetary systems or produce life as we know it.
@@simongross3122i wonder if intelligent life within our galaxy would have some model of the universe that’s extremely different from ours. I’d be curious what would potential cause that difference since our current tools are based on fundamental laws of nature that we can observe
@@crow2989 We already had a model of the universe that was extremely different from those that exist today. The book that mentions it starts out with "In the beginning..." Different models are only useful until they are not. And being useful doesn't imply that they are a true representation of reality.
@@simongross3122 idk if you just wanted to bring up religion or sound smarter than you are or something but that’s a poor example. Models of the universe were built using all the knowledge of the fundamental world using laws of nature that we’ve learned through hard studying and learning. The bible is a book written by people who didn’t even know about germs. It doesn’t even bring up models of the universe which is what i talking about. If you want to have a genuine conversation, you kinda have to lay the bible to the side as fiction since it has so much content that can’t be verified which essentially discredits it as a False Paper. Also what i was talking about is if a model of the universe made by a different civilization is different, why would it be different. If you’re about to get out into space and travel the stars, you would have to have a strong knowledge of reality to be able to do that. Things that ingrained into the universe must me learned and thus the models of the universe created by 2 different civilizations would likely end up very similar. So again, bringing up the Bible in this context seems very stupid
Well gas tends to stay far away from each other on earth so you'd think that in space more difficult to form something It would take time and is a snowball effect, at least as far as i know
I like that quote. All my life I’ve been interested in astronomy but lately with the James Webb telescope and discoveries like what Anton is bringing to our forefront of knowledge speaking as a lay person, I can see the relationship between art like you’re speaking of in Bob’s words and the images that are expanding my consciousness. I understand most of these are artist paintings/computer renditions but it’s fun to watch this program because he does a good job of integrating in the background some of these ideas/information were seeing from our probing of the universe. And we’re just scratching the surface…😳
This might be a silly suggestion... But I'd love to see a video of you going over all the major scientific discoveries that were made entirely by accident... I only know of a few but I feel like there's probably a number of them. Anyways thanks for the great video Anton.
"Newly" 😂 thats a term human beings shouldn't even apply to these objects,given that nothing is new in the universe when it comes to celestial objects ,new in the grand scheme of things billions of years old to our tiny perception and concept of time and what it means to be new
@@interstellarsurfer indeed it even boggles my mind when I hear "new born stars" then come to learn than new born stars are thousands of years old 😂 I imagine things on a large scale progress very slow because of our perception of time and our short life span just like the rising sea level and the sinking of venice or expansion of our universe, or climate change, scale is an amazing thing dont you think?
One thing I have noticed about every discussion about galaxies is that nobody talks about the discovery of a newborn or gestating galaxy. Perhaps this discovery is a galaxy in the making. Sort of a galaxy growing in the womb. Of all the trillions of galaxies, i would think somebody would find one that is still in the making.
I think this supports the concept that gas will not congeal into objects like gas planets or stars without a supersonic shockwave creating a compressive effect. The gravity between dust paricles and gas is simply too weak to initiate star formation without this outside influence
Sounds like how water heated in a microwave sometimes won’t boil until you move it. Then it starts rapidly boiling. I think that happens for the same reason, because there’s no impurities or unevenness in the waters to initiate the reaction until you move the cup.
My 25 year-old fridge has been playing up in recent months, occasionally freezing things for no apparent reason. There's been half a dozen times when I've pulled out an unopened bottle of Sprite or Coke where everything looked normal until I opened it and it instantly turned into a thick slushie.
If this is a primordial galaxy, could it contain low-metallicity stars similar to population III stars? If that's the case, it could help us learn a lot more about the early universe
This is curious, and suggests voids are miss-named, they may be star voids, but not gas and or dark matter voids. Surely this could have a big impact on what we understand as the structure of the universe?
Until they can verify whether or not it has stars and/or planets, it should only be classified tentatively as a spiral gas cloud. The gravity necessary to cause it to stick together and spiral, however, would indicate the presence of gravity at the center, which means it's time for JWST to take a look at the middle of it. Also, the existence of spiral gas clouds in the Void suggest that something spews them into the void, and they eventually ignite within it. What is shooting these gas clouds into the void?
If this is a primordial galaxy, does it suggest supermassive blackholes do *not* collapse first and then form a galaxy around them? Otherwise, shouldn't the central black hole have produced detectable effects at some point during its history (or now, by affecting the rotation of gas near the center)?
The heavier elements of Earth like Iron and Nickel sink to the core, so perhaps as these black holes came together could they've sinked into the galactic nucleus?
Yea makes more sense to me that the gases would come first, coalesce in the center of the vortex and then form a super massive black hole which eventually collapsed to form stars. What powers the vortex in the first place is a question that blows my mind 🎉
@@aureliusmcnaughton6133 The leading theory on rotating galaxy formation from memory is that two gas clouds run into eachother, causing the new galaxy to have rotation at their collision point. Due to higher density and gravity this makes that collision point the nucleus and has huge amounts of gas in it. My hypothesis is that a lot of the galaxy's black holes drift inwards during cloud collision and as they enter the nucleus they gain mass from the gas so when they all combine somewhere near the centre of the galaxy they form a supermassive black hole which also consumes the surrounding gas (like quasars). I'm no astrophysicist so take what I say with a huge truck full of salt because of the fact that the time after collision causes some problems (e.g. after the galaxy's formation all the black holes should fall into galactic orbit, not the nucleus and why is so much gas falling inwards after collision?)
i wonder if it is like the ocean, for centuries we knew fish, and a few beach jelly fish, but when we could go under the ocean we saw the filter feeder such as tunicates, including pyrosomes, salps, ect were vast in numbers, they just don't survive the surface or fishing lines/nets. Similarly there seems to many kinds of galaxies we could not see before, Dwarf galaxies seem to out number the big galaxies, maybe the diffuse galaxies will also be vast in numbers. We like in interesting times!
Perhaps galaxy formation varies more widely then previously thought and this particular one is observed still in its infancy. The area has alot of gas yes, but perhaps not as much gas as other galactic birthplaces have had that would otherwise spur their development sooner and more rapidly. If we could theoretically "fast-forward" our observation of this galaxy by a specific-billions of years, we would see thicker pools of gas whose gravitational pull would further the accretion of surrounding gas. In this theoretical tinelapse, we would see the large dianeter of the galaxy shrink to a denser and more cohesive structure and watch stars come online in a randomized pattern resembling firecrackers. Except between each individual firecracker exploding there are millions and sometimes billions of years in between.
Another chunk of missing matter. It makes you wonder how many more there are like that? How would you ever search for those? Just have to get lucky. Great find!
Of course in real time relative to us, this galaxy may have already formed millions of stars. We will just have to wait millions or billions of years to observe them.
I remember hearing that it would be interesting to find a galaxy where all the stars had been occluded but otherwise looked normal because this is a signature of a Kardashev type 3 civilization. Have we looked at this galaxy yet in infrared? Can we tell if the gas density is similar to other galaxies with stars, or has a higher density and indicates that stars never have formed?
And now, brace yourself for the cosmic twist, the pièce de résistance of this grand performance: astronomers, with a cavalier disregard for scientific integrity, have birthed a menagerie of cosmic absurdities from the celestial void - dark photons, dark ions, dark sectors, dark voids, and introducing the utterly fantastical dark monkeys swinging from dark holes that seem to have emerged from Uranus. In this cosmic masquerade, astronomers, once revered as seekers of truth, now dance the cosmic fandango around inconvenient words. It's akin to discussing the solar system without whispering the word "Sun," a linguistic circus act that distorts the very essence of scientific inquiry. So, here's a standing ovation for these cosmic comedians, skillfully weaving a tapestry of "dark" entities, ultra-diffuse galaxies, and dark monkeys from the cosmic shadows. The theater of astronomy may be dimming, but the spectacle of linguistic escapades continues, performed under the bemused gaze of the old guard. Bravo, for turning the pursuit of knowledge into a cosmic vaudeville act, complete with dark photons, fantastical wordplay, and a planetary punchline that emerges from the darkest depths of humor: Uranus.
@@justinpyle3415 They could simply be extremely efficient in using their energy. If it is a barely a drop of heat escaping per million, I am not sure our telescopes would be able to pick it up now could they? I am not saying something like they are breaking the conservation of energy, but merely being extremely efficient at keeping in the energy they are using.
This galaxy could serve as a natural laboratory for understanding the conditions necessary for star formation. Observing what happens if and when the galaxy starts forming stars would provide real-time insights into these processes.
If a big pile a gas in the middle of no where is slammed by a blackhole's jet, something is going to happen... But the universe is a really really big place.
In reference to the odd galaxy formation and lack of oddity of dark matter. Some suspicion of CDM (cold dark matter) is that it is more quantum. Something similar to pions (two quark particles). More in line with the concept axions.
Made me think of what we call rogue objects. Objects lost to space like asteroids, planets, and stars playing a role. The introduction of one or more of these or certain object(s) might be needed. Like an electric spark in a gas room or a flame to ignite a river.
it just needs a little push... but if it's far from any action and has dark matter and real matter and has enough time (and it sounds like it 's had a lot of time) shouldn't it collapse into something more exciting? perhaps until whatever nonzero rotation it has balances out the inward pull?
My name suggestion: the Yes Minister galaxy, because just like the fully functioning hospital that had no patients, this appears to be a fully functioning galaxy that has no stars.
Would be nice if this was a young galaxy to-be. As if two groups of stars flew by each other and attracted enough to start spinning around each other. Wonder how long it would take for some to collide and collapse into a center.
I've always doubted the "dark matter" theory. That we are constantly discovering more REAL matter that we simply lacked the ability to find and observe reinforces those doubts.
Imagine alien civilization so advanced they stash pockets of gas in these voids in order start new galaxies, for the purpose of extending the life of their civilization. Use up a galaxy, start a new one with the pocket of gas. This could extend the civilization to 100's of trillions of years.
If something strange is found by error, it definitely sounds like something that needs to be further investigated into to make sure the result is not an error, too.
Now that's a galaxy I'd love to go to, it reminds me of the genesis planet (wraith of Khan, search for Spock) , by the time id get there might be just in time to see genesis.... Or even be the cause!
Just don't forget to store your katra somewhere before you go. Who knows, maybe there are some rude klingons over there investigation this "potential new weapon" and make it so that only a younger twin version of you returns that might be in need of one.
@@Hugh_I I doubt humans will be recognisable by the time I could get back, likely so different wouldn't even remember that the species evolved from something like me. No matter, if I ever really got the unrealistic chance of going further than the moon, it would be with the expectations of not coming back.
I really like just about every one of Anton's videos, but he explains the material so well that I usually have nothing to add as a comment. But here... it just impresses me... what would it be like to be in a "galaxy" where practically nothing has happened for 13.77 BILLION years ?... no star formation and evolution and supernovae, no accreting central black hole and Fermi bubbles, no evolution of spiral arms ?... Pristine !... It boggles the mind... Life could never probably evolve in such a galaxy if there haven't been the supernova that seed molecular clouds with material to evolve SOME SORT of life...
A plausible explanation might emerge if we consider space itself as an entity with undisclosed properties, potentially accounting for what we perceive as anomalies. These occurrences could be the result of the dynamic interaction between space and the stars that either move through or alongside it.
Totally unexpected. There must be physicists who at least ponder on the range of possibilities in the universe. There are some wonderful examples - Mendeleev's Periodic Table of the Elements and Higg's Boson.
How would you distinguish the "few to no stars mostly gas galaxy" described in your video with the galaxy of a level 3 Kardashev civilization that had built dyson spheres around all the stars of their galaxy?
Really interesting video Anton. Thank you :). I guess the next question is. Does it contain planets and if so. What are they orbiting if anything or are they random / rogue planets?. But without a sun Could we even detect any planets if they existed. If it contains so much gas. Then it would be feasible that it at least contains gas planets. Does it have a central black hole?. Again with no active stars could we even detect it if there is one. Also with it being so old ...... could it have contained stars eg (first gen stars) but those stars were short lived and have since exploded which is where all the gas has come from? I am sure some will say but if they went Nova or SuperNova then you would be able to see the resulting explosion..... and normally I would say yes that is true. But if this galaxy is in fact that old. Does that still hold true? and were those first gen stars the same as stars as we know them now? That is the million dollar question. I guess with the absence of Stars observing any planets and or black holes within it are going to be extremely difficult as there is no light as such to show bending of gravitational forces.... Keep well everyone.
If you flung a single star at it then that could be enough to start star formation. It is very unlikely for a galaxy to survive so long without being disturbed so this one is very special.
@@thehellyousayi think the least unreasonable concept for star propulsion is redirecting light it emits excepting in the direction opposite where you want to go, the reflections cause it to warm up and emit more, which gets reflected, which makes it get warmer, until it reaches an equilibrium, but the solar wind and light that's purposefully not obstructed will impart some momentum change (it will take a while to get anywhere)
Indeed really lucky discovery! I think you are right and the galaxy is in a big void... The Milky Way being on the edge of the local void, is probably the reason we are able to live here in the Milky Way, in the Solar system on planet Earth! So scientists should search for life on the edge of voids... Greetings from the Netherlands!
WHAT this thing managed to make it 13 billion years without ever being disturbed by some other galaxy ? how many of these things are out there that we have never seen?
I have a question thats been on my mind if anyone wanna answer. So if the universe is expanding at the speed of light from our perspective. And in trillions years the space will be so large that not even galaxies will exist. wont the pull of the universe expansion be so large it will rip rogue planets/stars apart. Also since the universe is indefinetly expanding wouldnt that mean there is no absolute 0 velocity in space since no matter what you will always be moving due to the expansion of the universe no matter how small the velocity is. Sorry for bad english and a dumb theory its just something that was on my mind past hour and i really wanted an answer to this if some smart person would answer.
Universal Expansion, at that late stage, would (probably) not have the force to tear suns and planets apart. Nor would they be "rogue" bodies, there would be nothing to be rogue in comparison to. 😁 You do however make an excellent point: If expansion became so extreme, might it not overwhelm all matter? That's why I said "probably". On the other hand, the strong expansion force might weaken to zero after a trillion years.
@@bretthess6376 Yeah you are correct with the rogue part i just said rogue planets cause that is what we currently call them. But in many trillions if not millions of billions of years wouldnt the force of the universe pull be large enough to pull apart the remains that exists. Might just be a dumb theory but i thought it would be an interesting topic. Also wouldnt even light be pulled by the universe making it basicly standstill at some point? And what would happen after that would it go in reversal or maybe thats end of the universe but the beginning of the next one. Im just thinking since from our perspective the universe is assumed to expand in all directions.
@@bretthess6376 I was also thinking about super massive black holes like ton 618 and pheonix-A that will exists for a ridiculous long time due to hawking radiation. Someone had said 10¹⁰⁰ earth years or something wouldnt that be enough time for even the universe to get unstable even for black holes? And I remember a kutrezagt video talking about planets that slowly makes denser and denser material due to the cold space and it would take even longer then those black holes to collapse.
Whichever grad student or whoever goofed that up is going to have that following them for their entire career. "Aren't you that person who found that nearby primordial galaxy?" Every colleague around him all at once, "Because they accidently pointed the telescope at NOTHING!" 🤣 But hey, happy accidents are always welcome.
In the World Cup, some goals are simply AMAZING. Others are trivial and almost effortless. But they all count the same. You get to take credit for ALL of them, no matter what. Grad student now instantly goes to the head of the line when applying to be a professor at a lot of schools.
He should honestly become a trend setter with this. I mean deliberately pointing Hubble at basically nothing brought us the hubble deep field, one of its most iconic observations. Someone might see a pattern here ...
I am guessing the name "Nebulon Galaxy" ran into copyright issues with Marvel Comics. Calling aliens from that galaxy Neblonians would have also sounded cooler than calling them Nubes.
It's amazing how often science seems to advance by way of lucky accidents.
It’s not luck it the aliens spoon feeding us to higher levels through mind control…😂
@@michaelderosier3505ok bro lay off the crack
@@michaelderosier3505Actually it’s just Hitler’s UFO base on the moon. Aliens are fake.
@@michaelderosier3505 I would ask them to please upgrade to a soup spoon or something rather than a teaspoon
If you do things you normally wouldn't do you tend to discover things that you didn't know
"There are no mistakes... Just happy accidents" - Bob Ross
If this comment doesn't have the most likes on this video I'll be very upset
just a happy little primordial cloud
@@thecommonsenseconservative5576 Ah, the cosmic comedy of astronomers, those daring jesters who've choreographed a symphony of linguistic acrobatics to sidestep the shocking ideas of electric and plasma models. Their fear of cosmic alternatives has reached such heights that they've embarked on a verbal escapade, pirouetting away from the cosmic outcast - plasma.
Witness the grand illusion: once-humble plasma filaments, those wisps of ionized matter, have now ascended to the lofty title of "objects." Yes, you heard it right - objects. As if uttering the P-word might unleash a cosmic uprising, shaking the very foundations of astronomical dogma and causing constellations to rearrange themselves in protest.
It's as if astronomers are engaging in a celestial game of charades, surreptitiously swapping "plasma" for the vague "objects." "Behold these mysterious objects," they declare, with a wink and a nudge, hoping the cosmic audience won't catch on to the subterfuge. All the while, desperately trying to divert attention from the heretical notion that perhaps, just perhaps, electricity isn't just an inconvenient afterthought in the grand cosmic theater.
But why the cosmic bashfulness, esteemed astronomers? Is it the sheer horror of challenging the sacred doctrines, the shivers at the thought that the universe might be a bit more electrically charged than their beloved textbooks insist? Or could it be simpler: the allure of cosmic trickery, renaming plasma currents as elusive "objects" and hoping the universe won't file a cosmic lawsuit for misrepresentation?
And now, brace yourself for the cosmic twist, the pièce de résistance of this grand performance: astronomers, with a cavalier disregard for scientific integrity, have birthed a menagerie of cosmic absurdities from the celestial void - dark photons, dark ions, dark sectors, dark voids, and introducing the utterly fantastical dark monkeys swinging from dark holes that seem to have emerged from Uranus.
In this cosmic masquerade, astronomers, once revered as seekers of truth, now dance the cosmic fandango around inconvenient words. It's akin to discussing the solar system without whispering the word "Sun," a linguistic circus act that distorts the very essence of scientific inquiry.
So, here's a standing ovation for these cosmic comedians, skillfully weaving a tapestry of "dark" entities, ultra-diffuse galaxies, and dark monkeys from the cosmic shadows. The theater of astronomy may be dimming, but the spectacle of linguistic escapades continues, performed under the bemused gaze of the old guard. Bravo, for turning the pursuit of knowledge into a cosmic vaudeville act, complete with dark photons, fantastical wordplay, and a planetary punchline that emerges from the darkest depths of humor: Uranus.
Lol
Well played 😊
In my opinion, I think there has to be something more to it, as it is rare to have that strong of a "hydrogen signature" the exhibits rotation, but haven't been disturbed by any outside energy/forces. Interesting to see where this goes!
Thanks for your time!
Imagine saying something is ‘rare’ considering the infinitesimal portion of the universe we’ve studied. 🤦♂️
I thought perhaps a galaxy still in its infancy but your idea is also very plausible. Or they both go hand in hand and hydrogen gas distribution within the early universe would lead to the fornation of these "hydrogen signatures", some or many of which would eventually under gravitational accretion of the significant amounts of gas would birth gakaxies. Black holes may occur as a result in areas of extreme gas density.
@@brettthewilder2338 Imagine thinking you're making an intelligent remark, when they obviously mean rare among the things we've studied. Grow up.
Imagine if one of the few stars in that gas cloud had planets, intelligent creatures, inventing telescopes, starting to learn about the cosmos beyond their planets and their sun ... what a strange version of astronomy they'd have!
Yes, the opposite of what observers in a tight globular cluster would see who are surrounded by many more close stars than we are. Of course, few stars means no supernovae so no heavier elements, so tougher to form planetary systems or produce life as we know it.
Our own version of astronomy is pretty strange
@@simongross3122i wonder if intelligent life within our galaxy would have some model of the universe that’s extremely different from ours. I’d be curious what would potential cause that difference since our current tools are based on fundamental laws of nature that we can observe
@@crow2989 We already had a model of the universe that was extremely different from those that exist today. The book that mentions it starts out with "In the beginning..."
Different models are only useful until they are not. And being useful doesn't imply that they are a true representation of reality.
@@simongross3122 idk if you just wanted to bring up religion or sound smarter than you are or something but that’s a poor example. Models of the universe were built using all the knowledge of the fundamental world using laws of nature that we’ve learned through hard studying and learning.
The bible is a book written by people who didn’t even know about germs. It doesn’t even bring up models of the universe which is what i talking about. If you want to have a genuine conversation, you kinda have to lay the bible to the side as fiction since it has so much content that can’t be verified which essentially discredits it as a False Paper.
Also what i was talking about is if a model of the universe made by a different civilization is different, why would it be different. If you’re about to get out into space and travel the stars, you would have to have a strong knowledge of reality to be able to do that. Things that ingrained into the universe must me learned and thus the models of the universe created by 2 different civilizations would likely end up very similar. So again, bringing up the Bible in this context seems very stupid
Very strange to have all that gas and yet such little star formation to have happened. Thanks gor highlighting this.
Well gas tends to stay far away from each other on earth so you'd think that in space more difficult to form something
It would take time and is a snowball effect, at least as far as i know
Thanks Anton for your wonderful channel.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 😊
I like that quote. All my life I’ve been interested in astronomy but lately with the James Webb telescope and discoveries like what Anton is bringing to our forefront of knowledge speaking as a lay person, I can see the relationship between art like you’re speaking of in Bob’s words and the images that are expanding my consciousness. I understand most of these are artist paintings/computer renditions but it’s fun to watch this program because he does a good job of integrating in the background some of these ideas/information were seeing from our probing of the universe. And we’re just scratching the surface…😳
Fantastic and amazing. Thanks for sharing your love of science. May this year bring you joy.
This might be a silly suggestion... But I'd love to see a video of you going over all the major scientific discoveries that were made entirely by accident... I only know of a few but I feel like there's probably a number of them. Anyways thanks for the great video Anton.
Hopefully this is a newly forming generation of galaxy. There's still an abundance of matter in the voids and filaments that hasn't coalesced yet.
Or that matter keeps appearing in space.
@@Fridaey13txhOktoberHow?
Energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed.
"Newly" 😂 thats a term human beings shouldn't even apply to these objects,given that nothing is new in the universe when it comes to celestial objects ,new in the grand scheme of things billions of years old to our tiny perception and concept of time and what it means to be new
@@denny414 Maybe 'recently' fits better? But yeah, it's a wierd thing to talk about - incomprehensible sizes and periods of time.
@@interstellarsurfer indeed it even boggles my mind when I hear "new born stars" then come to learn than new born stars are thousands of years old 😂 I imagine things on a large scale progress very slow because of our perception of time and our short life span just like the rising sea level and the sinking of venice or expansion of our universe, or climate change, scale is an amazing thing dont you think?
This sounds more like a protogalaxy than a true galaxy.
Hello wonderful Anton, thank you for your daily dose of knowledge I look forward to it!
I love all your effort, your hard work inspires me a lot. Thanks for this high quality videos you make♡
Anton never disappoints
One thing I have noticed about every discussion about galaxies is that nobody talks about the discovery of a newborn or gestating galaxy. Perhaps this discovery is a galaxy in the making. Sort of a galaxy growing in the womb.
Of all the trillions of galaxies, i would think somebody would find one that is still in the making.
Thank you for the content! Always looking forward to your next vid.
I think this supports the concept that gas will not congeal into objects like gas planets or stars without a supersonic shockwave creating a compressive effect. The gravity between dust paricles and gas is simply too weak to initiate star formation without this outside influence
Sounds like how water heated in a microwave sometimes won’t boil until you move it. Then it starts rapidly boiling. I think that happens for the same reason, because there’s no impurities or unevenness in the waters to initiate the reaction until you move the cup.
My 25 year-old fridge has been playing up in recent months, occasionally freezing things for no apparent reason. There's been half a dozen times when I've pulled out an unopened bottle of Sprite or Coke where everything looked normal until I opened it and it instantly turned into a thick slushie.
If this is a primordial galaxy, could it contain low-metallicity stars similar to population III stars? If that's the case, it could help us learn a lot more about the early universe
This is curious, and suggests voids are miss-named, they may be star voids, but not gas and or dark matter voids. Surely this could have a big impact on what we understand as the structure of the universe?
Until they can verify whether or not it has stars and/or planets, it should only be classified tentatively as a spiral gas cloud. The gravity necessary to cause it to stick together and spiral, however, would indicate the presence of gravity at the center, which means it's time for JWST to take a look at the middle of it. Also, the existence of spiral gas clouds in the Void suggest that something spews them into the void, and they eventually ignite within it. What is shooting these gas clouds into the void?
Galaxies without stars seem about as legitimate as sausages with no meat in.
If this is a primordial galaxy, does it suggest supermassive blackholes do *not* collapse first and then form a galaxy around them? Otherwise, shouldn't the central black hole have produced detectable effects at some point during its history (or now, by affecting the rotation of gas near the center)?
Or a piece of another universe (or reality).
The heavier elements of Earth like Iron and Nickel sink to the core, so perhaps as these black holes came together could they've sinked into the galactic nucleus?
Yea makes more sense to me that the gases would come first, coalesce in the center of the vortex and then form a super massive black hole which eventually collapsed to form stars. What powers the vortex in the first place is a question that blows my mind 🎉
@@aureliusmcnaughton6133 The leading theory on rotating galaxy formation from memory is that two gas clouds run into eachother, causing the new galaxy to have rotation at their collision point. Due to higher density and gravity this makes that collision point the nucleus and has huge amounts of gas in it.
My hypothesis is that a lot of the galaxy's black holes drift inwards during cloud collision and as they enter the nucleus they gain mass from the gas so when they all combine somewhere near the centre of the galaxy they form a supermassive black hole which also consumes the surrounding gas (like quasars).
I'm no astrophysicist so take what I say with a huge truck full of salt because of the fact that the time after collision causes some problems (e.g. after the galaxy's formation all the black holes should fall into galactic orbit, not the nucleus and why is so much gas falling inwards after collision?)
Well since this seems to be a very odd one we shouldnt take this as an example for other galaxies.
This is the most interesting thing I've seen since the contemplation of black holes back in the 70's. Fascinating!!!
Always nice to see one of your vids just as I get off work
I wonder how common they are and if similar galaxies could be hiding in voids.
i wonder if it is like the ocean, for centuries we knew fish, and a few beach jelly fish, but when we could go under the ocean we saw the filter feeder such as tunicates, including pyrosomes, salps, ect were vast in numbers, they just don't survive the surface or fishing lines/nets.
Similarly there seems to many kinds of galaxies we could not see before, Dwarf galaxies seem to out number the big galaxies, maybe the diffuse galaxies will also be vast in numbers. We like in interesting times!
We like weird stuff. Bring us more. Cheers! 👍😎
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Perhaps galaxy formation varies more widely then previously thought and this particular one is observed still in its infancy. The area has alot of gas yes, but perhaps not as much gas as other galactic birthplaces have had that would otherwise spur their development sooner and more rapidly. If we could theoretically "fast-forward" our observation of this galaxy by a specific-billions of years, we would see thicker pools of gas whose gravitational pull would further the accretion of surrounding gas. In this theoretical tinelapse, we would see the large dianeter of the galaxy shrink to a denser and more cohesive structure and watch stars come online in a randomized pattern resembling firecrackers. Except between each individual firecracker exploding there are millions and sometimes billions of years in between.
Incredible! I'm not sure how many radio telescopes there are, but they all just got really busy !
If it just happened to be there at a randomly chosen location, these things are probably all over the place.
Another chunk of missing matter. It makes you wonder how many more there are like that? How would you ever search for those? Just have to get lucky. Great find!
Of course in real time relative to us, this galaxy may have already formed millions of stars. We will just have to wait millions or billions of years to observe them.
as always liked and shard.. thank you Anton
I remember hearing that it would be interesting to find a galaxy where all the stars had been occluded but otherwise looked normal because this is a signature of a Kardashev type 3 civilization.
Have we looked at this galaxy yet in infrared? Can we tell if the gas density is similar to other galaxies with stars, or has a higher density and indicates that stars never have formed?
He said the only light it gives is radio light
Maybe it was a Type 3 that was somehow an adversary of another Type 3 and was obliterated by the opposing civilization?
what does that have to do with aliens
And now, brace yourself for the cosmic twist, the pièce de résistance of this grand performance: astronomers, with a cavalier disregard for scientific integrity, have birthed a menagerie of cosmic absurdities from the celestial void - dark photons, dark ions, dark sectors, dark voids, and introducing the utterly fantastical dark monkeys swinging from dark holes that seem to have emerged from Uranus.
In this cosmic masquerade, astronomers, once revered as seekers of truth, now dance the cosmic fandango around inconvenient words. It's akin to discussing the solar system without whispering the word "Sun," a linguistic circus act that distorts the very essence of scientific inquiry.
So, here's a standing ovation for these cosmic comedians, skillfully weaving a tapestry of "dark" entities, ultra-diffuse galaxies, and dark monkeys from the cosmic shadows. The theater of astronomy may be dimming, but the spectacle of linguistic escapades continues, performed under the bemused gaze of the old guard. Bravo, for turning the pursuit of knowledge into a cosmic vaudeville act, complete with dark photons, fantastical wordplay, and a planetary punchline that emerges from the darkest depths of humor: Uranus.
@@justinpyle3415 They could simply be extremely efficient in using their energy. If it is a barely a drop of heat escaping per million, I am not sure our telescopes would be able to pick it up now could they?
I am not saying something like they are breaking the conservation of energy, but merely being extremely efficient at keeping in the energy they are using.
Thank you sir 😎👍
Nube Shield's visu is stunning. Atlantis Elders hideout revealed.. (-;
My vote is for “phantom galaxies”
This galaxy could serve as a natural laboratory for understanding the conditions necessary for star formation. Observing what happens if and when the galaxy starts forming stars would provide real-time insights into these processes.
Perhaps this type of galaxy got disconnected from the cosmic web before much of anything could form.
Interesting thought.
If a big pile a gas in the middle of no where is slammed by a blackhole's jet, something is going to happen... But the universe is a really really big place.
salute from Toronto thanks for the content :).
Thank you for the video Anton.
Peaceful Skies.
Think about it. If this galaxy is a primordial gas galaxy then any stars it would make should theoretically make pop III stars
In reference to the odd galaxy formation and lack of oddity of dark matter. Some suspicion of CDM (cold dark matter) is that it is more quantum. Something similar to pions (two quark particles). More in line with the concept axions.
Somebody needs to water that galaxy then it will grow stars!
Made me think of what we call rogue objects. Objects lost to space like asteroids, planets, and stars playing a role. The introduction of one or more of these or certain object(s) might be needed. Like an electric spark in a gas room or a flame to ignite a river.
it just needs a little push...
but if it's far from any action and has dark matter and real matter and has enough time (and it sounds like it 's had a lot of time) shouldn't it collapse into something more exciting? perhaps until whatever nonzero rotation it has balances out the inward pull?
Just because we can't see it dosen't mean its not there, and we can't even see half of it... Job security!
My name suggestion: the Yes Minister galaxy, because just like the fully functioning hospital that had no patients, this appears to be a fully functioning galaxy that has no stars.
Would be nice if this was a young galaxy to-be. As if two groups of stars flew by each other and attracted enough to start spinning around each other. Wonder how long it would take for some to collide and collapse into a center.
Halo Anton. Can't Wait to present me that story in a coherent way. Warm Winter Wishes from the Battled Land. Peace T You and the Mrs. Thank you
Not an accident, just a glitch in the simulation allowing for a violation of the observer paradox...
Thanks, this was illuminating
I've always doubted the "dark matter" theory. That we are constantly discovering more REAL matter that we simply lacked the ability to find and observe reinforces those doubts.
If the gas is so diffuse then what is holding it all together? It has had plenty of time to just dissipate but yet remains a stable structure.
Alway's great info for us newbies
Imagine alien civilization so advanced they stash pockets of gas in these voids in order start new galaxies, for the purpose of extending the life of their civilization. Use up a galaxy, start a new one with the pocket of gas. This could extend the civilization to 100's of trillions of years.
Exciting Anton ❤
Nube, sounds nice,thanks👍😊
If something strange is found by error, it definitely sounds like something that needs to be further investigated into to make sure the result is not an error, too.
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thanks for the information anton
love finding more odd stuff in the universe. keeps uppity astrophysicists in their place 😁
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Looks like we need a new telescope for the doppler survey of the entire sky.
wow. then how many more like this are out there? quite a few you would think or this mistake would be vastly improbable for just one?
this reminds me of super-heated water, how without nucleation sites it can get past boiling.
The galaxy that has been saying "PULL MY FINGER !!" for 13 billion years.
You know ya made it Anton when tide cuts in for a commercial 😂
Maybe you guys should enter more random coordinates? It seems to work :)
Does it have a central black hole?
This galaxy is going to be in the top ten finds of 2024.
I would call this a "pre-galaxy" rather than a galaxy, since the gas signature clearly swamps any stellar signatures.
Now that's a galaxy I'd love to go to, it reminds me of the genesis planet (wraith of Khan, search for Spock) , by the time id get there might be just in time to see genesis.... Or even be the cause!
Just don't forget to store your katra somewhere before you go. Who knows, maybe there are some rude klingons over there investigation this "potential new weapon" and make it so that only a younger twin version of you returns that might be in need of one.
@@Hugh_I I doubt humans will be recognisable by the time I could get back, likely so different wouldn't even remember that the species evolved from something like me. No matter, if I ever really got the unrealistic chance of going further than the moon, it would be with the expectations of not coming back.
I really like just about every one of Anton's videos, but he explains the material so well that I usually have nothing to add as a comment. But here... it just impresses me... what would it be like to be in a "galaxy" where practically nothing has happened for 13.77 BILLION years ?... no star formation and evolution and supernovae, no accreting central black hole and Fermi bubbles, no evolution of spiral arms ?... Pristine !... It boggles the mind...
Life could never probably evolve in such a galaxy if there haven't been the supernova that seed molecular clouds with material to evolve SOME SORT of life...
A plausible explanation might emerge if we consider space itself as an entity with undisclosed properties, potentially accounting for what we perceive as anomalies. These occurrences could be the result of the dynamic interaction between space and the stars that either move through or alongside it.
Totally unexpected. There must be physicists who at least ponder on the range of possibilities in the universe. There are some wonderful examples - Mendeleev's Periodic Table of the Elements and Higg's Boson.
Maybe it is a pre-big-bang galaxy where entropy ran it's course and the black holes "evaporated".
How would you distinguish the "few to no stars mostly gas galaxy" described in your video with the galaxy of a level 3 Kardashev civilization that had built dyson spheres around all the stars of their galaxy?
Infra red
Occam's Razor
yes. and was the "few to no stars, mostly gas galaxy" observed in the infra red?
How common are these galaxies, and is there no central black hole.
"They ate... the star's"-
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Thanks!
Really interesting video Anton. Thank you :). I guess the next question is. Does it contain planets and if so. What are they orbiting if anything or are they random / rogue planets?. But without a sun Could we even detect any planets if they existed. If it contains so much gas. Then it would be feasible that it at least contains gas planets. Does it have a central black hole?. Again with no active stars could we even detect it if there is one. Also with it being so old ...... could it have contained stars eg (first gen stars) but those stars were short lived and have since exploded which is where all the gas has come from? I am sure some will say but if they went Nova or SuperNova then you would be able to see the resulting explosion..... and normally I would say yes that is true. But if this galaxy is in fact that old. Does that still hold true? and were those first gen stars the same as stars as we know them now? That is the million dollar question. I guess with the absence of Stars observing any planets and or black holes within it are going to be extremely difficult as there is no light as such to show bending of gravitational forces.... Keep well everyone.
what's the radio signal produced by anyway? just thermal radiation?
Sleeping material your voice relaxes us
If you flung a single star at it then that could be enough to start star formation. It is very unlikely for a galaxy to survive so long without being disturbed so this one is very special.
On the other hand, it has been found completely randomly. Which suggests they're not that uncommon.
i'm agog to watch your wind-up for that pitch ...
@@thehellyousayi think the least unreasonable concept for star propulsion is redirecting light it emits excepting in the direction opposite where you want to go, the reflections cause it to warm up and emit more, which gets reflected, which makes it get warmer, until it reaches an equilibrium, but the solar wind and light that's purposefully not obstructed will impart some momentum change (it will take a while to get anywhere)
Indeed really lucky discovery! I think you are right and the galaxy is in a big void...
The Milky Way being on the edge of the local void, is probably the reason we are able to live here in the Milky Way, in the Solar system on planet Earth!
So scientists should search for life on the edge of voids...
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Hello wonderful Anton, this is person!
Thanks 😊
The stars just haven’t rendered in yet. You weren’t supposed to see that without getting closer
It's just a small swarm of nanomachines finishing dinner.
This is amazing!!
Everyday astronomy has to rewrite books, because our new scope tech is crushing current models! Soooo awesome!
WHAT this thing managed to make it 13 billion years without ever being disturbed by some other galaxy ? how many of these things are out there that we have never seen?
I have a question thats been on my mind if anyone wanna answer.
So if the universe is expanding at the speed of light from our perspective. And in trillions years the space will be so large that not even galaxies will exist. wont the pull of the universe expansion be so large it will rip rogue planets/stars apart. Also since the universe is indefinetly expanding wouldnt that mean there is no absolute 0 velocity in space since no matter what you will always be moving due to the expansion of the universe no matter how small the velocity is. Sorry for bad english and a dumb theory its just something that was on my mind past hour and i really wanted an answer to this if some smart person would answer.
Universal Expansion, at that late stage, would (probably) not have the force to tear suns and planets apart. Nor would they be "rogue" bodies, there would be nothing to be rogue in comparison to. 😁
You do however make an excellent point: If expansion became so extreme, might it not overwhelm all matter?
That's why I said "probably". On the other hand, the strong expansion force might weaken to zero after a trillion years.
@@bretthess6376 Yeah you are correct with the rogue part i just said rogue planets cause that is what we currently call them. But in many trillions if not millions of billions of years wouldnt the force of the universe pull be large enough to pull apart the remains that exists. Might just be a dumb theory but i thought it would be an interesting topic. Also wouldnt even light be pulled by the universe making it basicly standstill at some point? And what would happen after that would it go in reversal or maybe thats end of the universe but the beginning of the next one. Im just thinking since from our perspective the universe is assumed to expand in all directions.
@@bretthess6376 I was also thinking about super massive black holes like ton 618 and pheonix-A that will exists for a ridiculous long time due to hawking radiation. Someone had said 10¹⁰⁰ earth years or something wouldnt that be enough time for even the universe to get unstable even for black holes? And I remember a kutrezagt video talking about planets that slowly makes denser and denser material due to the cold space and it would take even longer then those black holes to collapse.
The more we learn the less we know. Thanks, Anton!
The existence of the Gas Cloud shows that no Black Holes is involved...
Whichever grad student or whoever goofed that up is going to have that following them for their entire career. "Aren't you that person who found that nearby primordial galaxy?" Every colleague around him all at once, "Because they accidently pointed the telescope at NOTHING!" 🤣 But hey, happy accidents are always welcome.
In the World Cup, some goals are simply AMAZING. Others are trivial and almost effortless. But they all count the same.
You get to take credit for ALL of them, no matter what. Grad student now instantly goes to the head of the line when applying to be a professor at a lot of schools.
He should honestly become a trend setter with this. I mean deliberately pointing Hubble at basically nothing brought us the hubble deep field, one of its most iconic observations. Someone might see a pattern here ...
I am guessing the name "Nebulon Galaxy" ran into copyright issues with Marvel Comics. Calling aliens from that galaxy Neblonians would have also sounded cooler than calling them Nubes.