I always wanted to main hunter. I have had an alt since wrath I play but coming from always tanking and healing I can’t stand how long dps ques are. Survival has been fun since legion and I’m now really considering it despite the wait times.
Maybe there's something wrong with me but I have absolutely loved Surv Hunter ever since Legion. People are always surprised when I'm topping the DPS in M+. Now it's getting even better!
I love it too. I mainly do BGs and it’s really fun there. I’m almost always the only SV Hunter. It feels like you play something no one else plays and a lot of people seem surprised when the hunter runs right at them lol. There’s lots of utility for PvP, traps, flare, mobility, engages, disengages, turtle shell, multiple slows, and a pet to love/hate. It’s clunky and weird and not the simplest or easiest spec but if you can really shine in a group if you know when to disengage from battle, protect your teammates, and scout the other teams positions and ambush their nodes.
Great video. I hope you can make one showing dueling, world pvping and battlegrounds after the latest changes. Also, I thought I read somewhere that FS and MB will be reverted back to their previous iterations due to all the feedback.
Yeah that’s unfortunate I think… I hope next iteration will be decent. To be fair, I think the class might have gotten a bit too “de-bloated”. And we can easily squeeze in Flanking Strike, without it getting bloated again. 🙂 I hate that mongoose bite is being changed back though….. that is crazy in my opinion
I know it may sound crazy, but with the rework on those defensive abilities, the fact that we can actually Taunt, how far fetch would it be, with a few more tweaks, to actually have Survival as the first ever Mail Tanking class.
Not to be rude, but you're playing a non-hybrid DPS class. Heals aren't supposed to be a huge part of your toolkit. That 90% dmg reduction from feign death isn't nearly as necessary in PvE as in PvP. In PvE, you feign and the threat drops to your tank (or your pet if solo), in PvP you feign and the player just retargets you before you even really get use out of the ability. It's an MMO, not every class needs everything, the group needs to make up for each others shortcomings. And in solo, each class should have their own style; i.e. we don't need every class to have a huge stock of defensives, self heals, insane burst, mobility, etc. Some classes should be more defense oriented, some more self sustain oriented, some more burst oriented, some more mobility oriented. The idea that every class needs to be the same and have every option is a huge detracts from the fantasy of the classes and just makes them all the same with stylistic differences in the aesthetics of the abilities.
I agree. However because of how WoW has changed, we need to be able to survive in solo content as well. Otherwise Delves will be impossible to do on certain classes. I love that we are getting the option of doing solo content, and with that follows a change to how the game functions at its core. Luckily there is always Classic, for people who enjoys the version of WoW we had, back when class fantasy was an important part of the structure of the games content. 🙂
You’re so close… The idea that each spec within the class has to be the same is the problem. Wow isn’t just classes, it’s specs, and Survival Hunter is a unique spec. It’s a hybrid hunter that does melee and ranged and it’s the melee that necessitates more sustain. They may need to tune it, but survival hunter absolutely needed more survivability and these changes did nothing to reduce its unique identity or that of any other spec.
They said they're going to revert the mongoose fury and flanking strike changes before this video came out. You should probably do some research before spreading false information.
I'm aware 🙂 This video was recorded before the reverted changes, and because I have a busy work life, I didn't see it until a day or so too late. I'm uploading another video at this very moment, addressing the reverted changes.
The new flanking strike might be the death of the spec. I want to go melee when i want to, not when i push kill command. Soooooo dumb. I absolutely cannot fathom why they are sticking with this. Wow devs these days are the worst lol. Hope im wrong. Everything else seems awesome. But that will make the spec unplayable if i have to go melee every third kill command.
Depends on how you look at it, because the play style has completely changed, so mongoose fury is much more essential to your rotation. So you HAVE to use mongoose bite in the rework. So getting close every 4th kill command, synergises well with the new play style. 🙂 we HAVE to stick to our target to dps, and having flanking strike constantly, helps with that. I think the “not wanting to get close”, is a habitual mindset, which DF survival hunters have gotten because of how SV is in DF. We have better defensives now in TWW, and mongoose bite is more essential now. So we need to rewire our brains to not see “melee as being bad”. 🙂 But I get that the new playstyle might not be for everyone.
@@KroesGaming Thats not it at all. Even with more defensives leaping into packs and boss mechanics when you press kill command will kill the spec for any serious players. Doing mechanics in dundeons, raids, and pvp require lots of TIMING and precision. This means there will be long stretches where you can't push kill command because it will leap you into certian death.
Well be sad cause they are reverting changes to flanking strike and mongoose fury because apparently people where complaining. I loved the new mongoose fury change and I was loving the flanking strike passive baking and tip of the spear management. Didn't like the positioning of it being random per say but the rest of its effect ok the rotation were fantastic. And the mongoose fury change was so damn good. But it's being reverted. So annoying
So hunters can keep running a def trinket and be next to unkillable, kite you easier and their damage is better and easier to perform which they already did good DPS to begin with. Sounds op and will be nerfed.
I have played Arcane Mage quite a lot too yes. 🙂 From my understanding they are addressing some of the bloat, in TWW too? Either way, it's only good that we bring issues to light, when it comes to the specs we enjoy.
@@wisnius2657 😂... The way I have my keybinds set up, allow me to easily access 60 spells at any time. 🙂 I use Shift, Ctrl, and Alt modifiers, together with a 12 button MMO mouse, and the Q, E, R, and F keys. This includes scrolling and scroll wheel clicking.
Survival hunter is just too clunky and poorly designed. Might be great for pve, but as a pvper, I’m very unhappy with survival. I don’t think it’s bad, I just think it’s clunky, the rotation feels fucking weird, it feels extremely uneventful, and the dmg really isn’t that good in PvP still. I can top dmg sometimes in skins, but it’s all aoe bullshit 🤣.
the problem with passive flanking strike is when you want to keep range and cant press kill command. keep it up cheers.
was the dumbest shit ive seen blizz do ina while lol
They could make the mongoose bite turn into flanking strike instead of the kill command (after 3x kill commands), would make more sense.
I always wanted to main hunter. I have had an alt since wrath I play but coming from always tanking and healing I can’t stand how long dps ques are. Survival has been fun since legion and I’m now really considering it despite the wait times.
Are Hunters getting access to new PvP pets in The War Within? I’m so tired of having to use Raptors and Riverbeast.
Maybe there's something wrong with me but I have absolutely loved Surv Hunter ever since Legion. People are always surprised when I'm topping the DPS in M+. Now it's getting even better!
I love it too. I mainly do BGs and it’s really fun there. I’m almost always the only SV Hunter. It feels like you play something no one else plays and a lot of people seem surprised when the hunter runs right at them lol. There’s lots of utility for PvP, traps, flare, mobility, engages, disengages, turtle shell, multiple slows, and a pet to love/hate. It’s clunky and weird and not the simplest or easiest spec but if you can really shine in a group if you know when to disengage from battle, protect your teammates, and scout the other teams positions and ambush their nodes.
Man do u also have a programming channel? Cause i swear to god u saved me in my final project of university ❤
I'm glad you enjoyed my other channel 😊
Top work👍
Great video. I hope you can make one showing dueling, world pvping and battlegrounds after the latest changes. Also, I thought I read somewhere that FS and MB will be reverted back to their previous iterations due to all the feedback.
Yes they said, they are working on a new iteration of hiw MB and FS work. Gonna be interesting!
Yeah that’s unfortunate I think… I hope next iteration will be decent. To be fair, I think the class might have gotten a bit too “de-bloated”. And we can easily squeeze in Flanking Strike, without it getting bloated again. 🙂
I hate that mongoose bite is being changed back though….. that is crazy in my opinion
@@KroesGaming Totally agree! FS should be it's own button and I like how MB works currently.
Love the video but... just one thing.... Amazing Xmog! hahaha, I want to say that in every video mostly
I am just going to main the shit out of Hunter lol. Arms Warrior, Ret Pally and Spriest also seem very tempting though
I know it may sound crazy, but with the rework on those defensive abilities, the fact that we can actually Taunt, how far fetch would it be, with a few more tweaks, to actually have Survival as the first ever Mail Tanking class.
Yeah like if it had 100 % mastery and versatility each (tww passive standard)
Biggest barrier for Suv hunter is the button bloat. Man soooooo many buttons.
Fem nelf sword stance is sexy af. This new rework makes survival hunter into something like a red mage from ff14
..does it? How?
That mog goes hard, since they BUTCHERED THE F out of my rogue and dh it looks like surv will be my main
Not to be rude, but you're playing a non-hybrid DPS class. Heals aren't supposed to be a huge part of your toolkit. That 90% dmg reduction from feign death isn't nearly as necessary in PvE as in PvP. In PvE, you feign and the threat drops to your tank (or your pet if solo), in PvP you feign and the player just retargets you before you even really get use out of the ability. It's an MMO, not every class needs everything, the group needs to make up for each others shortcomings. And in solo, each class should have their own style; i.e. we don't need every class to have a huge stock of defensives, self heals, insane burst, mobility, etc. Some classes should be more defense oriented, some more self sustain oriented, some more burst oriented, some more mobility oriented. The idea that every class needs to be the same and have every option is a huge detracts from the fantasy of the classes and just makes them all the same with stylistic differences in the aesthetics of the abilities.
I agree. However because of how WoW has changed, we need to be able to survive in solo content as well. Otherwise Delves will be impossible to do on certain classes.
I love that we are getting the option of doing solo content, and with that follows a change to how the game functions at its core.
Luckily there is always Classic, for people who enjoys the version of WoW we had, back when class fantasy was an important part of the structure of the games content. 🙂
You’re so close…
The idea that each spec within the class has to be the same is the problem. Wow isn’t just classes, it’s specs, and Survival Hunter is a unique spec. It’s a hybrid hunter that does melee and ranged and it’s the melee that necessitates more sustain. They may need to tune it, but survival hunter absolutely needed more survivability and these changes did nothing to reduce its unique identity or that of any other spec.
my friend, I only did a HS because of you. I want to survive and kill in the next expansion haha.
Going to miss the animation for 5 stacks of Fury. It made Mongoose Bite feel so strong.
The changes were reverted back again to 5 stacks 🙂 they make so many changes to SV Hunter, that there are already 2 reworks after this video 😅
Dude 😎 u need a new video with your Hunter's transmog ☝️Your hunters are awesome 💯
They said they're going to revert the mongoose fury and flanking strike changes before this video came out.
You should probably do some research before spreading false information.
I'm aware 🙂 This video was recorded before the reverted changes, and because I have a busy work life, I didn't see it until a day or so too late.
I'm uploading another video at this very moment, addressing the reverted changes.
how did u get all the extra red markings?
nice video :)
The new flanking strike might be the death of the spec. I want to go melee when i want to, not when i push kill command. Soooooo dumb. I absolutely cannot fathom why they are sticking with this. Wow devs these days are the worst lol. Hope im wrong. Everything else seems awesome. But that will make the spec unplayable if i have to go melee every third kill command.
You will be put into melee range even when you dont want to be. Definitly not an improvement. Complete fail.
You will be jumping into the middle of packs at the worst times lol. Its going to suck!
Depends on how you look at it, because the play style has completely changed, so mongoose fury is much more essential to your rotation. So you HAVE to use mongoose bite in the rework.
So getting close every 4th kill command, synergises well with the new play style. 🙂 we HAVE to stick to our target to dps, and having flanking strike constantly, helps with that.
I think the “not wanting to get close”, is a habitual mindset, which DF survival hunters have gotten because of how SV is in DF.
We have better defensives now in TWW, and mongoose bite is more essential now. So we need to rewire our brains to not see “melee as being bad”. 🙂
But I get that the new playstyle might not be for everyone.
@@KroesGaming Thats not it at all. Even with more defensives leaping into packs and boss mechanics when you press kill command will kill the spec for any serious players. Doing mechanics in dundeons, raids, and pvp require lots of TIMING and precision. This means there will be long stretches where you can't push kill command because it will leap you into certian death.
Plus, having keeping track of kill commands is not an impovement.
how did you make these markings on the body of the night elf? is that something new from TWW?
It's the chest tmog + the NE barber options :) IThe tmog is the bloodtroll tmog reward, from completing the trading post, quite a while back.
Well be sad cause they are reverting changes to flanking strike and mongoose fury because apparently people where complaining. I loved the new mongoose fury change and I was loving the flanking strike passive baking and tip of the spear management. Didn't like the positioning of it being random per say but the rest of its effect ok the rotation were fantastic. And the mongoose fury change was so damn good. But it's being reverted. So annoying
Oh no… 😬 well… crossing fingers that it will be done in a way that feels good.
Good God the button bloat!
So hunters can keep running a def trinket and be next to unkillable, kite you easier and their damage is better and easier to perform which they already did good DPS to begin with. Sounds op and will be nerfed.
You complain about button bloat as Survival, have you played a Rogue or Arcane Mage? lol
I have played Arcane Mage quite a lot too yes. 🙂 From my understanding they are addressing some of the bloat, in TWW too?
Either way, it's only good that we bring issues to light, when it comes to the specs we enjoy.
what the fuck are those keybinds
What do you mean? 😂
@@KroesGaming I have like 2 whole bars packed with binds and I thought that's a lot, but compared to you I'm a fucking rookie
@@wisnius2657 😂... The way I have my keybinds set up, allow me to easily access 60 spells at any time. 🙂
I use Shift, Ctrl, and Alt modifiers, together with a 12 button MMO mouse, and the Q, E, R, and F keys. This includes scrolling and scroll wheel clicking.
@@KroesGaming Makes sense
Survival hunter is just too clunky and poorly designed. Might be great for pve, but as a pvper, I’m very unhappy with survival. I don’t think it’s bad, I just think it’s clunky, the rotation feels fucking weird, it feels extremely uneventful, and the dmg really isn’t that good in PvP still. I can top dmg sometimes in skins, but it’s all aoe bullshit 🤣.