Right. At current penalty system, if two cars collides, then each cars will trigger their own penalty which is not fair. Turn10 need to make the penalty system be able to differentiate between the victim and the assailant.
The penalties will evolve, I thought I read in some forum, to be fair, if you look closely, the other two pilots also received a penalty (6:45) Penalties work better than I thought
So you get a 2.25 sec penalty for nothing at 6:48, and the guy on the last corner fucks everything up with a crazy divebomb at 16:55 costing 4 places and gets 0 penalty, and finishes ahead of the guy he cleaned out. This games not ready.
@@tobireindlIt's their 8th attempt. Why nobody knows what that means? If it was the 1st, people would be more understanding. But here we are, nearly 20 years later.
@@krisbarr5663 The game just came out, dirty drivers and clean drivers are gonna be in the same lobby until the safe drivers get a higher safety rating, and the dirty ones get a lower safety rating.
Hopefully they tweak the penalty system but besides that this looks really fun. The races look a lot more intense than horizon as the cars speed are fairly similar
You're never going to get a perfect penalty system that doesn't have any human input. What matters is whether it more often than not reads situations correctly, which it has in my experience thus far - which is pretty impressive for a system that hasn't had any tweaks or updates yet.
@@Scottoest Its not about being perfect, its about being decent, but the way this "penalty" system works is exactly the opposite - they punish the victim and reward the aggressor.
@@ryutenmen Except when it doesn't and it gets it right. You say that like it's some hard-coded rule, and not just anecdotes about the system judging a situation wrong - which is not at all at odds with what I said. Yes, the penalty system gets calls wrong. What matters is if, on the whole, it is correct more often than not. This is why iRacing doesn't even bother with trying to assess fault via an imperfect algorithm, and just punishes all involved.
@@Scottoest I only took facts into account, anything else is speculation. When we'll have a broader "image" on how well or not the penalty system works we'll deal with this preliminary judgement. As for iRacing...to punish all involved, including the victim, is a different kind of bad. That system also "say" that the devs didn't bother to make a pertinent system, they just put that one simple rule and call it a day and never come back to fix it, to develop it into something worthy.
2.25 sec for getting slammed, because those 2 were getting frustrated with each other after 1st place started some shady defensive actions. Holding off on this for a little bit more or at least until early access (beta test) is over.
That collision being considered as "avoidable" yeah totally they better fix the penalty system since this is clearly unfair since you were almost bout to be sent to the shadow realm because of that collision
Me too bro I went to PS4 after horizon 2 (never played gran turismo) and I got a Series S back in January of this year and I got to play FH5 on Game Pass and I really enjoy it, can’t wait for this game
Will say online racing is really fun. Just got the achievement for 20 races while having a s rated license. Haven't seen much dirty driving but alot of the comments say other wise haha.
Great racing man, I have been loving this game so far minus the penalty system that needs justva slight tweaking, but other than that I have been having an extremely fun time with this game
Horizon don't have a rating system so everyone is mixed in the same lobby. Motorsport have one, just give some time to separate those crash a lot and those don't.
Haven't tried multiplayer yet, but no penalty @ 3:41 & 5:41 (track limits) but a penalty while getting shunt? (not your fault) Trying manual for the first time (before it was on/off) in SP with controller. The game is a lot of fun imo. Love controller play a lot more than GT7 in chase cam view (feels weird on GT7) I miss something like Scapes or something unique besides racing in FM8. The radar in GT7 is better to see dive bombers. The dynamic day/night cycle combined with weather is impressive in FM8
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one this happened two. I backed out of a two wide entry into a tight corner (1st corner on Leguna short) and got rear ended AND the game gave me. 4 sec penalty. My theory WAS that the game assigns fault to car on the inside in attempt to stop people from diving up the inside and using another car as a brake. In my case I was already in position on the inside and had someone dive down to the apex from the behind and outside and crash into me. ..and the game thought maybe I was diving down the inside??? But in your case you were on the outside and gave room . The guy went wide and crashed into you. That makes no sense to me how the AI could have thought that was your fault.
Here’s a tip for those who are new to the game and want to improve your lap time turn off all the assist and start with normal to simulation steering with abs on
@@GearHead36 Yeah F1 was looking at running there, but the layout was too short, so that why they added the infield section and made the current layout
How are other random ppl this good already? I usually watch isuckatdriving destroy ppl on horizon. This vid makes me think I’d never get first, being a casual.
The racing in this game looks awesome, try doing half the side by side action in FM7 and everyone would be in the shadow realm. Intense and fun racing, wish they could figure out a way so people could spectate without taking up slots
I don't think it was fully intentional @ 6:48. Black golf cut the turn and bumped the white one, causing him to lose a bit of control over the situation and dude didn't use the brakes to recover. Seeing how these cars twitch and how HARD white golf bumped you without losing any speed at initial contact, looks similar to desyncs in previous iterations of forza games... Not much has changed in the netcode, I guess. White golf did brake after you recovered too to let you get back into the race, I think. I may be wrong, but we don't know what their real intentions were and the game is giving hard times to precisely tell what and why something had happend. Sucks for the penalty though :(
I've seen the penalty system make some really good calls, but this one was definitely ridiculous. Hopefully they patch that. Was hoping this one would be better than the others, was looking good too
I think where the penalty system goofed was where on the car he was hit and the angle. To me, it looked like the pentalty was given as if ISAD chopped down at another car aiming for the apex, even though he was driven into. Needs tweaking, but I can also see why it goofed. Hoping T10 makes tweaks with big updates the game gets over time.
I did a 6 hour race around spa yesterday and I have to say the penalty system needs tweaking. I would barely dip a tire out amd I would get a half second penalty then I would go flying off the track and get no penalty
Penalty for going offtack when it already put you at disadvantage from losing speed and for being *punted* off track is soo ridiculous penalty system needs serious reworking
I heard the whole point why iRacing penalized both colliding racers instead of picking whose at fault since they said automated penalty system will always be busted and exploitable no matter what. I wonder if it's applied to this
They aren't wrong. Ultimately it's just game code trying to determine fault, so it won't be perfect and it'll also probably have exploitable tendencies in how it 'sees' situations. Computer code doesn't look at these things like a human set of eyes and brain does. If you penalize both then at least you know you're penalizing (and hopefully deterring) the person responsible 100% of the time. It's also more deterministic, so at least you're not at the mercy of an algorithm. Penalty systems are basically a never-ending struggle for the devs involved - trying to make it smarter, while trying not to accidentally introduce regressions to the system's ability to 'understand' situations in the process. As good and bad drivers separate themselves via their ratings, hopefully there will be less ramming attempts against people like ISAD in the first place.
Penalty system looks mostly okay aside from struggling with side-on collisions. It also looks like they might have the races a bit too short for how large the grid is on 'spec' series. The idea of having everyone in similar specs is kinda ruined when you can be forced into a no-win state because of it being impossible to climb past 14 other drivers unless they all manage to REALLY mess up.
The GT3 series are twice as long being about 16 minutes long. I have not tried it yet atm. Also I forgot to qualify in these races, hence starting last.
Everyone talking about the penalty system clearly never played 7 or have the memory of a goldfish. This system has been around for YEARS. T10 tweaked it to this and haven't changed it in years. Even with us giving ALL the responses that you have given. They just ignore us.
I don't think he meant to knock you there tbh but the penalty system in this game is completely broken for sure. I've accidentally made contact with other Players when I'm slowing down taking sharp turns though I've never caused anyone to spin out or nearly spin out. it's just the way the game goes sometimes. I've actually gone back to Forza Motorsport 7 while they fix this however long it takes. I also bought Gran Turismo 7 as well.
You seem lucky to not deal with the textures disappearing during your races. I can’t play because randomly part of the track and or the world around the track just disappear. Hella distracting and ruins the race. Maybe after an update I can actually enjoy the game.
penalty system being broken is one thing, what i *trully* hate, is people still racing you hard, being all over the place and bumping you when they have a 2sec pen. what's the point ? just annoy people ? you already have a penalty, be smart. follow a quick driver. don't fight for positions you *won't* gain, make time.
i play this game at 800x600p at 11.7 frames per second.. we arent noobs... we just really wanted to play th e game.. but are poor.. i7 4790k /GTX 1060 (3GB) Installed on a HDD
i see tire wear works fine here, but when im playing i have all the time like brand new, even though i have it set to simulation tire wear and fuel consumption. strange
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The penalty system definitely needs to be tweaked ... when they can slam into you and you get penalized ... it's just not right
Right. At current penalty system, if two cars collides, then each cars will trigger their own penalty which is not fair. Turn10 need to make the penalty system be able to differentiate between the victim and the assailant.
Yeah, this is like Gran Turismo 7, when you're dirt, you win!
I'd be so mad. How can the developers actually allow this in a game like this? So stupid.
The penalties will evolve, I thought I read in some forum, to be fair, if you look closely, the other two pilots also received a penalty (6:45)
Penalties work better than I thought
Dude got literally pushed off track and gotta full 2.25s penalty for being the victim.
So you get a 2.25 sec penalty for nothing at 6:48, and the guy on the last corner fucks everything up with a crazy divebomb at 16:55 costing 4 places and gets 0 penalty, and finishes ahead of the guy he cleaned out. This games not ready.
"Build from the ground up"
It is a learning system, why nobody knows what that means
@@tobireindlIt's their 8th attempt. Why nobody knows what that means?
If it was the 1st, people would be more understanding. But here we are, nearly 20 years later.
@@krisbarr5663 Its the first, you just dont know anything about game developing or the new engine 👀
@@krisbarr5663 The game just came out, dirty drivers and clean drivers are gonna be in the same lobby until the safe drivers get a higher safety rating, and the dirty ones get a lower safety rating.
Hopefully they tweak the penalty system but besides that this looks really fun. The races look a lot more intense than horizon as the cars speed are fairly similar
They also a lot longer...
@@thesis4349That's how actual IRL races work.
@@thesilver7238laughs in f1
Dont compare Forza to IRL. There are no 8 minute races IRL. @@thesilver7238
@@SuperIceman44 f1 races are the shorter end of racing lol
The shunt that almost spun you in lap 6 of the first race was crazy, and then you somehow got a 2 sec penalty??? Weird
Weird is one word for it. A word I wouldn't use.... But yeah. 😑
@@drkilledbydeath87 Absolutely bullshit sounds more accurate lmao
@@truzon2407 It's not BS either, it's straight out Robbery sounds more accurate & more relevant lmao
this game is crazy with that penalty, it doesn't make sense
Game looked very fun for me... until this moment 😂
Get swiped into the abyss? No penalty. Somebody brake checks you on a straight? Safety rating has been downgraded. Thank you Turn10.
Yea I just had a race where a guy pushed me 3 times in a single turn and he didn't get a penalty. Then I got off track +0.5
You're never going to get a perfect penalty system that doesn't have any human input. What matters is whether it more often than not reads situations correctly, which it has in my experience thus far - which is pretty impressive for a system that hasn't had any tweaks or updates yet.
@@Scottoest Its not about being perfect, its about being decent, but the way this "penalty" system works is exactly the opposite - they punish the victim and reward the aggressor.
@@ryutenmen Except when it doesn't and it gets it right. You say that like it's some hard-coded rule, and not just anecdotes about the system judging a situation wrong - which is not at all at odds with what I said. Yes, the penalty system gets calls wrong. What matters is if, on the whole, it is correct more often than not.
This is why iRacing doesn't even bother with trying to assess fault via an imperfect algorithm, and just punishes all involved.
@@Scottoest I only took facts into account, anything else is speculation. When we'll have a broader "image" on how well or not the penalty system works we'll deal with this preliminary judgement.
As for iRacing...to punish all involved, including the victim, is a different kind of bad. That system also "say" that the devs didn't bother to make a pertinent system, they just put that one simple rule and call it a day and never come back to fix it, to develop it into something worthy.
2.25 sec for getting slammed, because those 2 were getting frustrated with each other after 1st place started some shady defensive actions.
Holding off on this for a little bit more or at least until early access (beta test) is over.
collision system is too stupid lol how was that an infraction on you at 6:51...
Bro is too "cool brain" to be spun
12:38 that pass around the outside was CRAZY
The one where he went offtrack to pass?
Perfectly reasonable penalty. Hear me out: blue car > alpine > ocon > penalty
That you got a penalty at 7:00 is insane
Forza never knew how to implement a good penalty system.
"Avoidable Contact" they say as he gets punted. Might as well encourage ramming with how the penalty system is implemented atm lol.
6:50 *
@@dondaketype8811that's exactly what I thought. They're trying to dissuade punting but that to me totally reinforces it.
@@drkilledbydeath87 9:57 is an even worse example of this. The guy punts two people off the course only to get no penalty whatsoever.
That collision being considered as "avoidable" yeah totally they better fix the penalty system since this is clearly unfair since you were almost bout to be sent to the shadow realm because of that collision
FM4 was the last Motorsport game I played, really excited to get my hands on this one.
Me too haha on xbox 360
Me too bro I went to PS4 after horizon 2 (never played gran turismo) and I got a Series S back in January of this year and I got to play FH5 on Game Pass and I really enjoy it, can’t wait for this game
It’s all been downhill since then lol
Will say online racing is really fun. Just got the achievement for 20 races while having a s rated license. Haven't seen much dirty driving but alot of the comments say other wise haha.
the racing looks so good. very close & competitive
6:48 this kinda triggers me
Great racing man, I have been loving this game so far minus the penalty system that needs justva slight tweaking, but other than that I have been having an extremely fun time with this game
Fr bro
The golf gti was strong in this session jeez 🥶🥶🥶🥶
It's the highest rated car, so ofc it's
I love how the golfs yeet themselves once they touch a kerb
6:55 yeah, totally.
I've been waiting a long time to watch you play forza motorsports again. Let's see some new 'nice driving' compilations. See you on the track!
ISAD's team boss on the time penalties: "No Michael no that was so not right!"
Forza Motorsport: "We are checking."
That last lunge from that golf in the last corner on the last lap is Forza Motorsport at it finest. 🤡🤡
I gotta say I love watching clean racing on forza. Love your motorsport content
the double pass at #6:37 was amazing!
Penalty system sometimes looks really unfair, but it's still better than nothing. I wish opponents in FH5 raced as clean as they do in FM
Exactly, people dont understand that this thing is a learning system so it will change with time
FH Never had clean online Racing
Mainly cheaters & dirters
Horizon don't have a rating system so everyone is mixed in the same lobby. Motorsport have one, just give some time to separate those crash a lot and those don't.
Damn the visuals are actually insane though
Seems like the TCR cars a little stronger in this group than the BTCC cars, at least on the straights anyway.
It’s more the other way round in real life
There are currently some balance issues within the spec series, the Golf being very fast on the straight is not right.
Cant wait to play this shortly🔥🔥
Haven't tried multiplayer yet, but no penalty @ 3:41 & 5:41 (track limits) but a penalty while getting shunt? (not your fault)
Trying manual for the first time (before it was on/off) in SP with controller. The game is a lot of fun imo. Love controller play a lot more than GT7 in chase cam view (feels weird on GT7) I miss something like Scapes or something unique besides racing in FM8. The radar in GT7 is better to see dive bombers. The dynamic day/night cycle combined with weather is impressive in FM8
It feels so much more an experience if you turn the racing line fully off btw get used to the braking and the lift of … it’s fun
The chaos is literally what makes it fun!!
Don't lie to us 💀
Ok I’m glad I’m not the only one this happened two. I backed out of a two wide entry into a tight corner (1st corner on Leguna short) and got rear ended AND the game gave me. 4 sec penalty. My theory WAS that the game assigns fault to car on the inside in attempt to stop people from diving up the inside and using another car as a brake. In my case I was already in position on the inside and had someone dive down to the apex from the behind and outside and crash into me. ..and the game thought maybe I was diving down the inside???
But in your case you were on the outside and gave room . The guy went wide and crashed into you. That makes no sense to me how the AI could have thought that was your fault.
Holy crap I just realized I raced against you a while back. Your username was engrained in my head LOL. I think you were racing a C8 R in the online
Here’s a tip for those who are new to the game and want to improve your lap time turn off all the assist and start with normal to simulation steering with abs on
Looks like an arcade version of gran turismo, which is cool. I prefer arcade type games over sims
Gt isn't a full on SIM like it claims to be
7:00 skill issue
Great timing :)
Wait, WHAT THE FUCK?
Does that layout even EXIST in the real Laguna Seca!?
It's actually the original layout, but it hasn't been used since the 80s
@@jeracerx *What the FUUUUUUUUUUUU*
That's a new fact I've learned of Laguna Seca!
@@GearHead36 Yeah F1 was looking at running there, but the layout was too short, so that why they added the infield section and made the current layout
@@jeracerxThe original layout is definitely fun to run on FM8. I love it and it's mid-high speed to boot
Did you tune Lync&Co? If you did what you did to it?
+Excelent driving as always. :)
Tune was stock except lowest rear downforce, highest front.
How are other random ppl this good already? I usually watch isuckatdriving destroy ppl on horizon. This vid makes me think I’d never get first, being a casual.
Did I read the description right? You drive this well ON FRICKIN KEYBOARD? How and why?
I need more content of the crew motorfest
That first penalty in the first race was stupid you passed him fair and square and they gave you the penalty? Thats not fair at all
The racing in this game looks awesome, try doing half the side by side action in FM7 and everyone would be in the shadow realm. Intense and fun racing, wish they could figure out a way so people could spectate without taking up slots
that penalty was uncalled for
I don't think it was fully intentional @ 6:48. Black golf cut the turn and bumped the white one, causing him to lose a bit of control over the situation and dude didn't use the brakes to recover. Seeing how these cars twitch and how HARD white golf bumped you without losing any speed at initial contact, looks similar to desyncs in previous iterations of forza games... Not much has changed in the netcode, I guess. White golf did brake after you recovered too to let you get back into the race, I think.
I may be wrong, but we don't know what their real intentions were and the game is giving hard times to precisely tell what and why something had happend. Sucks for the penalty though :(
Man. Looks like I’m getting back into Forza Motorsports!
6:50 So being shunted penalizes you instead of the VW who caused it?
your driving is pretty clean
I've seen the penalty system make some really good calls, but this one was definitely ridiculous. Hopefully they patch that.
Was hoping this one would be better than the others, was looking good too
8:28
Grandma: 1 penalty, 2.25 time
Nobby cracket: 5 penalties, 2.20 time
Wow
It’s 2023 and Forza still refuses to give us rolling starts for online lol
That penalty system must be improved they should introduce Ghosting Cars system where cars will never hit you like in Forza horizon
Adding the ghosting works well in horizon but on the tracks it feels weird
6:49 I'm sorry what the fuck was that?!?!?! This is early GT-Sport level of absurd penalties.
With that penalty system i’d never finish in top5 🤓
Very nice races
9:18 "LeakyBums"
@9:30 hey hey hey!! Be careful from behind! ISAD might get pushed off the track!
My question is what the hell did they do to laguna seca?
This Asphalt mobile game has come a long way
That +14 was nice
You're pretty good for a 'noob'
6:48 "avoidable contact" as you were giving as much room as you could without being off the track
I think where the penalty system goofed was where on the car he was hit and the angle. To me, it looked like the pentalty was given as if ISAD chopped down at another car aiming for the apex, even though he was driven into. Needs tweaking, but I can also see why it goofed. Hoping T10 makes tweaks with big updates the game gets over time.
@@ChaosFox don’t play To many sim racing games so I don’t know what ISAD is but I get what your sayin
@@final_call_71 it's the acronym for his channel... lol
@@ChaosFox sorry my 2 brain cells are fighting so I couldn’t comprehend that lmao
I did a 6 hour race around spa yesterday and I have to say the penalty system needs tweaking. I would barely dip a tire out amd I would get a half second penalty then I would go flying off the track and get no penalty
how much did the game cost you? Is it playable on the xbox one x btw?
@@speed2567 for me. Benjamin. U had to get the extra expensive 1 to play it early and I don’t know I play it on pc
@@WillFuI alr thanks
Penalty for going offtack when it already put you at disadvantage from losing speed and for being *punted* off track is soo ridiculous
penalty system needs serious reworking
I heard the whole point why iRacing penalized both colliding racers instead of picking whose at fault since they said automated penalty system will always be busted and exploitable no matter what. I wonder if it's applied to this
They aren't wrong. Ultimately it's just game code trying to determine fault, so it won't be perfect and it'll also probably have exploitable tendencies in how it 'sees' situations. Computer code doesn't look at these things like a human set of eyes and brain does. If you penalize both then at least you know you're penalizing (and hopefully deterring) the person responsible 100% of the time. It's also more deterministic, so at least you're not at the mercy of an algorithm.
Penalty systems are basically a never-ending struggle for the devs involved - trying to make it smarter, while trying not to accidentally introduce regressions to the system's ability to 'understand' situations in the process.
As good and bad drivers separate themselves via their ratings, hopefully there will be less ramming attempts against people like ISAD in the first place.
The penalty system is a joke. Good to see something like this. So I spare myself the buy. Nice racing!
Gamer with the most sportsman ship at 16:57
bro, quick question, do u play on keyboard? your brake and acceleration telemetry is instantaneous, but your cornering is so smooth
Yes.
wow
The graphics look nice, but it's not my type of game. I like Horizon and the Crew Motorfest type of games a lot more 😄
Fun Fact: IsAD's grandma is really the one driving in the vid
It is funny they add mouse noice in Cars
Hi isad, how is your guess about cars leveling in this game? Overthinking or good?
At the moment the Multiplayer all cars are tuned to a certain spec. So at the moment it doesn't really affect me.
But it is a bit annoying I find imo.
@@IsuckAtDriving yeah, i litte scared about this.. i wanna think turn10 reduce the time of leveling cars, but i guess this not gonna happen:/
6:50 the penalty system needs some serious tweaks.
Penalty system looks mostly okay aside from struggling with side-on collisions. It also looks like they might have the races a bit too short for how large the grid is on 'spec' series. The idea of having everyone in similar specs is kinda ruined when you can be forced into a no-win state because of it being impossible to climb past 14 other drivers unless they all manage to REALLY mess up.
The GT3 series are twice as long being about 16 minutes long. I have not tried it yet atm.
Also I forgot to qualify in these races, hence starting last.
Everyone talking about the penalty system clearly never played 7 or have the memory of a goldfish.
This system has been around for YEARS. T10 tweaked it to this and haven't changed it in years. Even with us giving ALL the responses that you have given. They just ignore us.
lol what a penalty :DDDD
imagine getting penalty for being rammed hahaaa
They gave everyone involved a penalty in that incident, similar to how iRacing does it.
@@Scottoestinteresting
good game sad i won't be able to play it
I don't think he meant to knock you there tbh but the penalty system in this game is completely broken for sure. I've accidentally made contact with other Players when I'm slowing down taking sharp turns though I've never caused anyone to spin out or nearly spin out. it's just the way the game goes sometimes.
I've actually gone back to Forza Motorsport 7 while they fix this however long it takes. I also bought Gran Turismo 7 as well.
You seem lucky to not deal with the textures disappearing during your races. I can’t play because randomly part of the track and or the world around the track just disappear. Hella distracting and ruins the race. Maybe after an update I can actually enjoy the game.
Whats the difference between the normal crown behind the players names and the special one you have?
penalty system being broken is one thing, what i *trully* hate, is people still racing you hard, being all over the place and bumping you when they have a 2sec pen. what's the point ? just annoy people ? you already have a penalty, be smart. follow a quick driver. don't fight for positions you *won't* gain, make time.
Grandmas a fkn beast!
that penalty needs to be tweaked. still the best system in the racing ganre though!
i play this game at 800x600p at 11.7 frames per second.. we arent noobs... we just really wanted to play th e game.. but are poor..
i7 4790k /GTX 1060 (3GB) Installed on a HDD
Hey dude which assistances are you using? I cant seem to find sweet spot like in Horizon with stability on and traction off
Always stability off. Traction is car dependent.
@@IsuckAtDriving thank you! guessing ABS on right?
Oh boi... not the Gran Turismo-styled penalties...
WOOOOH!
5 second penalty for Ocon
I swear man games like forza horizon and the Crew are gonna make kids think that all cars irl can take 90° corners going 100 MPH
Private lobby correct? Either that or you found the highest skill, cleanest public lobby of all time lol.
nice drivn,,,ive been in lobbies with dumb ppl still :(
6:50 "Avoidable contact"??? How?
0:41 Taking a right turn on a left corner isn't optimal.
I need this game
Miles better than FM7 online
Which Monitor do you use?
i see tire wear works fine here, but when im playing i have all the time like brand new, even though i have it set to simulation tire wear and fuel consumption. strange
I guess having the TCR GTI is the only to have a DSG Golf in Forza…