DeWaukee guy tries Festool (NOT WHAT I THOUGHT)
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Glad to see you got the 700, Richard. It's truly a game changer. Sure, it's expensive, but the tasks it can accomplish will save you way more in time and energy than you spent on the tool. I use the 700 for larger projects such as doors, windows, tables, etc. and the 500 for smaller stuff. cabinetry, trim, cabinet doors, case work, etc. and I've never looked back. Nor have I wanted to.
Don’t forget, you only use the tight setting on one domino for alignment purposes, then you change to the wider hole to allow for inaccuracies on your multiple dominoes! Love mine, the 500 is perfect for making wardrobes and kitchen cabinets, you can knock up a cabinet in minutes!!!
Used with the ailment jig you can precision on them.
Love the white handle. Door looks amazing. Trim is super clean. I can almost overlook the yellow. 👌
Boys..... he's hooked. I'm not a total Festool fanboy but I will say that the vacuum system, sanders, Domino and track saw changed the way that I work. I don't love the ergonomics of the chop saw but it allowed me to use a chop saw inside a customers home when combined with the vacuum..... and that gave me speed and convince that I thought was impossible at the time.
I'd agree about the vacuum, sanders, and tracksaw. Those are absolutely worth the cash. the miter saw is nice don't get me wrong but i'm not convinced it's worth $1200 (iirc, it's been a while)
yeah you named the three Festool tools that are def worth the money - the drills and other stuff I haven't been that impressed with considering you're paying 3-5x more than say a DeWalt drill.
The Kapex handle is awkward but I'm tall so it doesn't bother me much. The dust control and accuracy are second to none, along with the fine adjustments. The vacuums are all great and I think the track saw still leaves the best edge of any track saw. The domino system is a big time saver too. I've never tried a any of their drill/drivers though and probably won't bother with them.
Yep, I’ve got 50/50 red and yellow tools, but when it comes to sanders and the vacuum system festool has it hands down, they have no less then, I think 18 sanders, they have more sanders than any other tool company not to mention accessories for everything you can imagine.
I feel you and since going with the Festool Vacuum system I have never looked back. Why the American named brand companies seem to keep missing the mark is beyond me. I currently own Festool CT48 with the Festool Cyclone, TS55, DF500, ROtex150 ETS EQ150 OF1010. 2 MFTs and an STM 1800. I have built many drawers and cabinets with the system and cleanup is no longer a worry for me. Plus missing part of my Right lung from a service connect issue while in the military is no longer a concern with the Festool setup My 4k dollar dust collector leaves more dust than my Festool Stuff, But the 4k cyclone System works wonders with a 12in planer and a 8 inch jointer and a shaper and a 7 in moulder. I don't even use my Table Saw to cut panels anymore.
You have it on the loose tenon setting, there’s a switch on the joiner
PRO TIP.... get the 8mm bit and use that for your wainscoting. Imagine that speed while at a house.
Also go buy a tape measure that has both metric and imperial. It's all I use now
As someone who uses a lot of these types of tools. I recommend you get a metric tape measure. You can get them at most woodworking stores or online. Makes life easier. I do most of my woodworking in metric now as it's such a better system.
Metric folding rules are incredibly as well. Folding rulers in general are, it's kinda goofy measuring everything with a tape measure.
I find it funny how the metric system confuses most Americans, yet you use it with money.
@@terryandrews1404 using it is easy as pie. Just 10s. The hard part is the conversion.
@@terryandrews1404 if that’s your logic, then the silly rest of the world follows Americanism by using time and dates, since those aren’t clean multiples.
@@qwerty112311 Except those were in place before there was a USA.
My wife bought me the smaller one for replacing all the interior doors in our house with solid smaller dual doors for each room. Use two 10 mm thick dominoes on each rail and stile. It sure does help making her happy alot faster.
Now you're going to want the smaller domino tool too. We use it all the time in our daily trim tasks. Using it as a way to keep abutting pieces flush, indexing, is one area where the tool shines.
The 500 is redundant! Amana and other brands make an adapter for the smaller mm bits that the 500 uses. So you can make all the loose tenon cuts with the 700. I did not know this when I first bought my df500. Had I known, I would have just got the 700 and an adapter. Ugh
14 mm X 140 mm...those are the big boys. I've made a few interior doors and they are as solid as can be. I use smaller dominos for pocket and bypass closet doors because they hang from the top. Those smaller dominos are also great for rails and stiles on cabinet doors. The joiners also come into their own attaching aprons to legs on tables and other furniture projects. Be sure and look up videos on making table tops with breadboard ends. They are pretty cool. Sedgetool is a good source for domino fundamentals.
I do high end painting and use the Festool sander for my massive spackle jobs. Before I had one it was a huge task by dropping out and the plastic and tape followed by a ton of dust to clean up. With this machine, I don't do anywhere near the set up time through clean up time that I used to do because it does such a great job at dust containment.
Great to see such a nice young man getting into building with wood. Today’s glues are so good I use the dominoes more for alignment than strength. They do provide a good way of getting some long grain gluing areas when butting edge grains against rails.
Yes. This. I use the 500 for tables too. Simply for alignment. It is just so effortless and keeps me from the frantic "the glue is curing, the glue is curing" race. The glue is stronger than the wood and I've tested that more than once. For me, it's all about alignment. Any added strength is a bonus but every side-by-side test shows that dominoes and biscuits and splines make no difference in strength, or at least not enough to care.
Careful, the Festool Domino is like a gateway drug!
So true I started with a DF500 and now I have a shop full of Festool and the Porter Cable and Dewalt, Milwaukee tools sit there in envy on the Shelf begging to be used. If only those other Name Brand tools had excellent dust collection.
Then a fella tries a sander, then next thing you know- Tracksaw
It’s true. Get a 500 and it feels criminal not to buy a green dust extractor - you price out a midi and nickel and dime yourself into a 36 or bigger!
Yes he’ll be buying another festool tool soon.
@@niftygriffty is the dust extraction so good because of the tools design? Or the festoon vacuums. Cheers
I just got my first Festool (Tracksaw and Dust Extractor) 2 weeks ago. We're in it now! Stuck for life so hopefully they last that long. I've got my eye on their 5" oscillating sander next with maybe a sanding disk sustainer organizer. It clips onto the dust extractor, right where I need it to be.
Those dominoes will be plenty strong for a door, I think you have a good plan with multiples at each joint. I work a door manufacturing plant and we use smaller dowels than those dominoes. I've wind load tested a lot of our doors and the panels are almost never what fails. Once you add your glass or drop in panels the whole thing becomes a single unit and prevents racking.
So happy to see you with new tools in hand. Work safely and enjoy the fruits of your labor man.
If you wanted you can make your own “dominos” planing stock to right thickness then rounding over. For example if you made 12 mm dominoes and then can use 1/4” (6.35 mm) round over bit or 1/2” (12.7 mm) bullnose bit to round edges. You can get custom lengths then. Some people even make then to the slot with of the extra loose domino setting.
Check out Seneca Woodworking as well who sells some accessories that convert some settings for inch. They also make adapter items that allow you to adapt the 700 to make slots in the 500 sizes.
Congratulations! Your Festool is up to the task. Have been using the 500 Joiner and many other Festool tools for years, always with good results. Just align it well, hold it steady, and always use dust extraction when using this tool.
Wow the dust containment looks amazing. Thanks for sharing Richard!
I've been watching your videos for a long time now, you inspired me to do crown and wainscot in my bonus room. I've also added a lot of Dewalt tools to my collection. Over the past year I have started getting Festool. Dealers can't discount Festool without authorization from Festool as they can lose their Festool Dealers license. Keep up the great work I look forward to more videos.
Not sure if someone already mentioned this but the tool has an adjustment to make the mortise wider or make it a tight fit for the tenons
thats exactly what i was thinking
The hip thrust is patented, so don’t even try it. Bourbon Moth will shut you down faster then he could down a bottle of the tasty brown stuff. 🤣🤣🤣
*than
That last vid killed me 🤣
I worked at woodcraft for some time and I was told that festool never discounts their tools. Then when they came out with a new sustainer box, they discounted a bunch of the tools. So it definitely happens, just not often
Spanish cedar is used for inside liner on humidor boxes for cigar boxes.
Fisco makes a nice metric tape measure. I switched to the metric system for woodworking a few years ago and never looked back. Just use millimeters for everything.
It’s a helluva lot easier to only have to remember one number per measurement as opposed to three.
Like a kid at Christmas playing with his new toys ......funny how new tools bring back that childlike excitement haha. Another great video. Yeah love that tool .... I think Christmas comes again in July and that's on my list.
Richard,
Always fun watching you explore new items and procedures. Been using both the 500 and 700 for years and they totally change the way you work. As impressed as you were with that large 12mm Domino tenon, there's an even larger one that is 14mm x 140mm. If that doesn't hold your doors together, I got nuthin' for you, bro.
A neat aspect to both Domino joiners is their adjustable height. I saw that you tweaked the height when you were cutting the oak. If you use different thickness of stock, often done when making panels, you can vary the thickness to create any "reveal" offset your design calls for. Give it a try, and welcome to the FOG.
Hey , Richard So far U R doin a Gr8 job of renovating Ur home . Keep it coming with Ur progress, Enjoy Ur new home !
Dude, take some chances. You spend a fare amount of time to do meat and potato work and so do I. When I’m working on my own stuff this is the time to challenge myself. I want to see some of the cool creative stuff will come up with. Keep up with the great quality content. I’ve learned a great deal from you. Keep it up. I make furniture and love the Festool.
@Tony McSteven gotta eat your veggies
@Tony McSteven How can you have your pudding, if you don't eat yer meat
@Tony McSteven dont forget the garlic bread
@@Neil-ke9fv We don't need your education, we don't need your thought control.
One of those videos where you need no sound. Just the smile on Richards face lets us know he is more than happy with his new tool. Looks like the next trim in the workshop will need to be Festool Green.
Congrats on the domino! One thing I've enjoyed is making my own dominoes. It takes time but if you batch it out and make a lot its not too bad, and it definitely saves money. Plus you can use any kind of wood, and use them to make exposed through tenons if you ever do furniture
Glad the wife is right there with you. Sharing the excitement. Nice 👍🏽
14 x 140 for doors. You can also put dominos one on top of the other so that you end up with 4 dominos per joint
Hi I'm a professional kitchen installer and I had the same problem converting from in to milmiter so I bought a tape measure that has bought milmiter and in
It made my life so much easier
Thanks
Dewalt, Milwaukee, or Makita should come out with a cordless dual spindle doweling joiner. A doweling joiner rivals the domino for around $200. I really like my cordless makita biscuit joiner and I know there would be more than enough power in a cordless to easily drill two 1/4"-1/2" holes simultaneously. I don't know why no one talks about doweling joiners in the domino conversation.
I’d tend to agree. I think on the one hand, very few manufacturers are making them. On the other hand, there’s a TON of media hype around Festool (and others like Woodpeckers, Sawstop, etc.). I think one disadvantage to a doweller is that there’s no way to have much slop like you can with a floating tenon.
@@TracksWithDax When compared to the tight domino he put in after changing bits, I'd say there's not much difference in slop. I'm sure I'm not saying anything you don't know but it appears they're both snug fits and properly made dowels have the same grooves as dominos to allow room for glue. I've cut many doors up and there are always 4-5 dowels holding them together at each joint. What we need is a head to head regarding shear strength because I've also seen dominos used in applications that are load bearing, such as bunk beds. I'd say you get the same or more shear strength from two 1/2" dowels as you do from a single domino, but I'm not speaking from experience. Even as a professional carpenter I don't find a need for a domino as I'm often outdoors and use PVC biscuits with my biscuit joiner. They do sell PVC dowels though so that would open up an entirely new demographic. I think people would absolutely buy a cordless doweling joiner that takes imperial dowels rather than metric. I know Triton, grizzly, and maffell all offer corded options in metric. Not sure what the reservations are about going cordless with it. It's a pretty low demand task. I might be overselling it because I just assume if I would buy it then there's definitely a market for it. Biscuits just have their limitations and dominos are egregiously overpriced tools and consumables. Dowels are the tried and true happy medium.
Agreed
Your definitely my favorite RUclips tool review guy! Thanks for all your tips and videos !!
First of all, thanks for not torturing us with the long, slow event of opening the box lol. Great tool. Thanks.
I encourage you to watch the festool live episodes that discuss the domino. You'll get it right everytime. I'm a Festool fanboy, but regardless, this tool is a game changer when used properly.
That underwear story is gold. Chief is a hero.
yeah same here bro. everytime the wife wants a new project done, I tell her I need a new tool for it aswell. haha
I got the ect125 sander ,and then the domino .now 14 other tools later including the mitersaw it has made life cleaner and better more ways than one .you should be happy. love the videos
great video as always! get a metric tape, its a lot easier then converting from inches. you could also do make youre own wide dominos, just plunge 2 holes on either end of the stiles and connect them. then make youre costume domino to fit
I sure like your personality. Honest, hard-working and you do terrific work. Have fun with that Festool.
Their dust extraction is awesome
Man these doors and trim have really turned out beautiful. It's pretty clear the effort you have put into making sure these were quality builds.
I like the hardware. I think that's a win, and I love the color. Everybody wants different color, so I think it's important to pick colors that you like.
I love the yellow trim its brilliant
The more you use the Domino for tabletops, cabinet doors (especially glass ones), and interior doors the more you will love the system.
One tip for 1-3/4" exterior doors, I like to reinforce the top and bottom stiles with 4" GRK construction screws. I install them in the meat between the floating tennons, countersink and add plugs. i believe this tip will add considerable strength from forced entry to any wooden door.
My first Festool was also a DF700... In January... It is now May, and I have 10 Festool tools. Welcome to the rabbit hole! But, seriously, these tools enable me to quickly do projects otherwise not possible. Be sure to ckeck out the track saws, and the Rotex sanders. I can now do tight 45 degree miters on my doors, which would not be possible any other way.
The dominos are plenty strong because you typically have much more glue surface than what the tenon touches. They’re more for alignment than strength, but always remember glue is ALWAYS stronger than wood so you won’t have any issues.
Door I built with the 700 is rock solid. I did 4-6 of the 12mm domino's at the joints, super easy.
I was looking for a comment like this one :)
I'm not a woodworker, just a DIY guy and I always thought that the dominos are for alignment and not for strength, thanks for confirming it.
So, if the dominoes are for alignment and the glue is stronger than the wood, why wouldn't you use a biscuit jointer instead?
@@rxcalvosa you could… but depending on the joint, say a waterfall table, the biscuits wouldn’t be strong enough to hold until the glue dried.
This is untrue. A domino is a tenon and is meant for strength. A biscuit is for alignment
Don’t waste time with converting from American standard to metric. Add to your toolbox. Buy metric tools to use with metric dimensions . Start with a metric tape and inexpensive Calipers. Just make sure to use the appropriate too/system. It’s amazing how simple it is.
yep
And that’s why they get the big bucks! Lol… I have a track saw I’ve been using for the last 12 years and I just replaced the silicon edge! I use it almost every week for the last 12 years and still runs like new!
I'm a big fan of Festool and own both of the domino machines and they have saved me so much time and therefore made me more productive. I've made some solid 50mm (2") oak doors for a walled garden using the biggest dominos supplied which is 14mm (14mm is the biggest domino size here in the UK which I assume is the same worldwide?) Anyway, the dominos at 12mm and 14mm come in 750mm lengths so you can cut your dominos to your desired length. I went for 140mm length, so 70mm into the rail and 70mm into the stile and I used four per 200mm wide rail and those doors will not be coming apart anytime soon! Congratulations on getting the D700, you won't be disappointed and I look forward to seeing the many projects to come which I'm sure you'll use it on.
This was also my first festool tool - it is amazing
When the domino first came out one of the woodworking magazines had a contest where they had contest for best shop tip, winner got the domino. I got $250, and a lamello. Later I bought the DF500. I do quite a bit of PVC exterior trim, and make my own PVC dominoes from scraps. I get really tight joints.
Always mark one side up on project in case your no perfectly centered on stock edge, and drill a bit deeper for glue squeeze on inside, so force does not make glue push domino out.
The bit diameter matches the Domino thickness. There is a green dial on top of the tool that determines mortise width. There is a depth adjustment as well. All the Dominos are the same width. "Bigger" means thicker and longer.
I never get tired of watching people try to explain away why they bought a Festool. They are amazing tools why would you be ashamed of owning a quality item. It’s just crazy.
LOL, your right, but even I’ve done that, I mean give excuses for buying 6 deferent festool sanders and vacuum system, but once they’ve tried it’s an easy sale.
Festool is overrated and way to expensive
@@davidkilts1038 can you repeat that? Sorry, I don’t speak BROKE
@@davidkilts1038 I don't know about the overrated, but they are certainly expensive.
@@davidkilts1038 Hi David, with all due respect, have you actually tried any of their tools?
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Knew you’d like this Rich, as it’s a very handy tool to have in bag of tricks😉
Never used the 700 before, but used the 500 model (think it’s the DF500 or something), but it’s a really nice tool to use.
You’ve got the bigger and beefier brother right there, dang, but you should definitely be able to get the doors and other projects done that you want to w/ the Domino System; and yeah, not cheap….but for what you get and what it can do imo it’s worth it b/c there’s nothing out there like it; or comes close to the quality and degree of accuracy that this tool offers.
It’s what you need for what ya doing b/c as it’s cool to make tenons & doing “old school” joinery by hand and tools; this offers faster production which in turn saves you time and money. So as not for all, for those who need; definitely a winner👍🏻
Cheers and congrats ✌🏻
Welcome to the world of collecting festool. The road is a forward motion 😁
There’s a bit of a learning curve to the domino. Once you learn the pins and the plunge depths, it’ll go so fast.
Every domino has the length on it - just rub with a pencil or something to see it
Looks like you've got the vc4210 vac which could have Systainers stacked on top with the systainer brackets. So the next festool item is the Cyclonic Separator. This would save you a bucket load in dust bags for the amount of work your going to do
*you’re
I prefer the oneida mini cyclone fir efficiency and price.
Hi Richard, once you have got to grips with the domino it is an amazing tool,I have used it on countless pieces of joinery over the years , especially in conjunction with an scm windor 40 , also , I think it’s worth every penny ,
I love my domino joiner and find tons of uses for it in my shop.
Festool?! Oh man. New t-shirt time! Haha.
The smaller Domino- the 500, is gonna be my next purchase.
I have a lot of festool. The 1/2’ router being my favourite. The TS55 plunge saw is under powered and plagued by a with overheat switch that pissed me off I sold it and got a mafell. The jigsaw is good to.
you are gonna love it. you may want to calibrate it though. mine was off by maybe a 32nd when i got it
Enjoy it man. I use the 500 all the time on wainscot and various other tasks, you can’t go wrong though. You’ll have a whole garage full of their tools before you know it
Love the content mijo. You gotta do a Festool casing in that garage now too. Blue/grey/green
I have the DF500, bought it 2nd hand about 10 years ago and it just keeps on going, and going, and going. One thing you might not realize is that they hold their value better than any brand out there. Just take care of it, and it will take care of you!
I have had the smaller domino for years now, don't use it all the time but it is very handy when I need it. I use their sanders and vacuum as well.
The vacuum rocks btw, I empty the bag with my shop dust collector and reuse it. Have actually never used a new bag yet.
Been at it since 2003, always loved Makita. Lately been using Dewalt saws and might switch to Milwaukee battery tools, but I have so much $$ invested in makita batteries. I have 2 trailers. Four 12" dewalt miters (with custom out feed arms*), 3 dewalt table saws, 4 makita quiet series compressors, all the makita hand tools.
*I'd love to share my creation for the dewalt saw stand, I made some neat saw arms you would probably like
I like the yellow trim, and the blue window frame in the back. Out of the ordinary is good.
You finally took a sip of the green kool-aid! You'll be chugging it like the rest of us soon. Worth the money.
Congrats looks like you’re going to have some fun!
Have used the smaller version alot,it always handles mdf,ply, hardwoods,softwoods,endgrain,edge grain like nothing, so quick no mess no dust,really an excellent tool,would love to see other companies come up with decent, affordable competitive solution.
I think the patent still has to run out on it. So possibly in a few years?? But I agree man, I bought a domino but I was not happy with that price tag 🤣
@@davekavanagh7599 for sure an expensive piece of kit,quality work all the same but apparently they hold their value,I've heard of one lad sell one after ten yrs and getting pretty much close to what he paid for it, now the same person could be full of sh*t but why ruin a good story with the truth.👍
Good timing video , looking at them today . Found out the same , no sales prices.
The Domino cutter is an awesome tool I use it. I used the big and the small one
That yellow trim is killing me. 😂
Dude I’m with you 100%. I’ve been remodeling my house for years.
I’m a Festfoolin. The DF500 was a purchase I had the most buyers remorse on (just due to cost), until I used it!! I use it on door casing miters with CA glue, door jambs, cabinet box assembly and I’ve even used it to butt scraps of hardwood flooring together to finish a job that was short ordered. You’re on the right track to use it with scrap pieces first to learn the machine. Just one tip, wear ear protection the piercing sound it makes isn’t good!
Yes, the yellow trim is killing me!
Your coolness went up 73% now I see you have a golden retriever
The yellow pops - looks good!
It's not the actual tenons that matter much, it's the glue. The wood glue nowadays is as strong or even stronger than the tenons, when they break it's the wood portion in the tenons/mortises that break off and not the glue that rip up.
Moving on up brother, very cool, I also upgraded to their Extractors and sanders and definitely worth every penny
Great video, thanks Richard !!
You've got all the tools you need to make your own tennon stock. I made solid oak doors once with a domino, we did through tenons.just mark and cut from both sides
You’re going to love the domino bud - enjoy
Welcome to the Green Team! I was quite a skeptic, listened to the trash talk, then I made a "mistake" and tried one, amazing results. Love the domino, so much quicker than hand cut tenons and a lot of less waste. Either you are a Greenie or not, but once you try it, well biscuits just don't cut it.
Yes, You fit four 14mm dominos per tennon. I have done doors with df700 without issues. Great movies btw!
Domino’s are primarily used for glue alignment purposes. While you have a fair amount of long to long grain glue surfaces the domino doesn’t add much strength. Check our Bourbon Moth’s video from the weekend.
Over here, you can buy a non-original 16mm bit (0.63inch) and also wider non-original dominos (you use the first mortise as a guide for the pin to widen it). That's what door makers use to make doors. Especially if there is no space for two smaller dominos, you use one very wide.
I just took the plunge into festool myself about a month ago, now I have 2 sanders and a track saw. Lol
Yup, you’re hooked now. My son in law started with a Fesstool track saw, then he got the domino machine. Now he has their miter saw. Yup, once you get a taste, you’re hooked.
I like seeing you so excited about a quality tool! Festool needs to change their variety pack to include different thicknesses.
its all about glue surface area. yes the dominoes are smaller than your home made floating tenons, but using two on a joint as wide as a door rail/style will have a huge impact on longivity. Itll do the job furshur
Next up, festool sander! Then it's game over! 😄
Wow! You being impressed with Festool! Now I’m impressed 😂😂
"Festool domino is just another tool" -jesus the carpenter
My friend a really easy way to convert metric to American is to buy yourself a rule and a tape measure that has both measurements on it side by side.
For more accuracy just multiply your inch measurement (decimal) by 25.4. For example 3 5/16”.
3.125 x 25.4 = 84.1375mm. Hope this helps? Keep up the good work