The creation/evolution debate is all about definitions.

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  • Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
  • You can watch the full video using the link below or on my Reacteria playlist (it's called "Is Evolution a FACT or a FARCE?")
    • Is Evolution a FACT or...

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  • @dragonhealer7588
    @dragonhealer7588 Год назад +751

    ". . . Are you high?"😂😂😂

    • @ejlgunapala1030
      @ejlgunapala1030 Год назад +8

      Hi how are

    • @catzkeet4860
      @catzkeet4860 Год назад +9

      Now THAT one I want an answer to please.

    • @huldanoren951
      @huldanoren951 Год назад +6

      ​@@catzkeet4860The answer is simple: Yes.

    • @dustyh5599
      @dustyh5599 Год назад +3

      Clearly it is he who is enlightened...
      For a channel trying to embody rationality and objectivity, he's very skimpy on facts and evidence and very heavy on teenage snark.
      He's just propagating the atheist stereotype.

    • @chamicels
      @chamicels Год назад +5

      @@dustyh5599 who cares what you think?

  • @aurumarma5711
    @aurumarma5711 Год назад +1076

    "Nothing more scientific, or scripturally correct" now that's an oxymoron. So moronic you'll have to take oxy for the pain.

    • @budd2nd
      @budd2nd Год назад +23

      😂😂

    • @htpkey
      @htpkey Год назад +12

      You win!

    • @theflyingdutchguy9870
      @theflyingdutchguy9870 Год назад +43

      yeah those two are quite literally opposites. the only thing scientifically correct about scriptures is that they are written on paper😂

    • @Sage-Thyme
      @Sage-Thyme Год назад +19

      I always think when people like this use the word scientific they actually mean "What I understand as scientific".

    • @9Johnny8
      @9Johnny8 Год назад +6

      Eh, it's ONE of those two things. (Hint; not the first.)

  • @lukaskrahn6120
    @lukaskrahn6120 Год назад +396

    So glad you posted this as a short. There are so many moments from these videos I want to share with friends, and this makes it so much easier.

    • @hadenhelms9184
      @hadenhelms9184 Год назад +7

      Idk if its avaliable on his videos but the scissors icon lets you cut out a clip and gives you a link to share jsut the clip

    • @Brruhmine
      @Brruhmine Год назад +2

      ​@@hadenhelms9184oh god that's actually helpful. Thank u for that

    • @hadenhelms9184
      @hadenhelms9184 Год назад +1

      @@Brruhmine yep lol. I clipped the ending lol

    • @hellstromcarbunkle8857
      @hellstromcarbunkle8857 5 месяцев назад

      Well, it is easier to laugh at the ignorance in small bites.

    • @gorgorothorc2404
      @gorgorothorc2404 5 месяцев назад

      Just cut it all out because this is not scientific or factually correct

  • @emeralds8569
    @emeralds8569 Год назад +215

    I was rolling my eyes so hard before I realized it was actually this channel and not some creationist nonsense in my feed

    • @kraigthorne3549
      @kraigthorne3549 Год назад +3

      If you listen to the first guy and understand the definition of the word "or" you will have to agree with him. It looks like the second guy doesn't.

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Год назад +2

      Please clarify, thank you.

    • @lythd
      @lythd Год назад +25

      @@kraigthorne3549 the way he said it he clearly used the word or to present an alternative, as there would be no point saying that otherwise because its clearly scripturally correct whats the point of adding in the or scientific it doesn't clarify whether its scientific or not.

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Год назад +22

      ​@@kraigthorne3549 apologists not using words correctly is a staple

    • @odin2130
      @odin2130 Год назад +8

      ​@Kraig Thorne No, you absolutely do not have to agree with him. For both cases, he is wrong. He needs to clarify what "the beginning" is. And because he doesn't, then he's is ignored

  • @wild_lee_coyote
    @wild_lee_coyote Год назад +233

    It amazes me how often those who have no idea how science works try and use scientific words to prove their points.

    • @GRAHFXENO
      @GRAHFXENO Год назад +32

      The moment they say "The 1st law of thermodynamics..." I'm like "STOP! Before you continue, explain, in your own words, what the 1st law is" and they ALWAYS slightly reword it to work in their favor.

    • @wild_lee_coyote
      @wild_lee_coyote Год назад +54

      @@GRAHFXENO I remember Bill Nye debated a creationist. When asked “what would make you change your mind?” Bill Nye just said “Evidence”. The Creationist said “there is nothing that can change my mind”. That totally sums up the debate between Science and Creation.

    • @GRAHFXENO
      @GRAHFXENO Год назад +28

      @@wild_lee_coyote Yeah, or in that same debate, the 500 times Ken Ham answered a question from the moderator starting with "You see, there's this book called the Bible..." in that smug, condescending voice of his

    • @wild_lee_coyote
      @wild_lee_coyote Год назад

      @@GRAHFXENO take away the Bible and Christian’s have nothing to stand on. Take away all the science text books and they can be rewritten and will say the same things.

    • @wornjeans6830
      @wornjeans6830 Год назад +16

      ​@@wild_lee_coyote i watched that debate live with my youth group when i was liek 12. I can thank Ken Ham for killing my faith with that one idiotic response .

  • @addam6666
    @addam6666 Год назад +23

    Forrest I just wanted to let you know I’ve just been accepted to study evolutionary biology and you were a huge inspiration for me to even try

  • @jacobemming407
    @jacobemming407 Год назад +168

    As a non religious person I think it's fine to believe in a creator unless you ignore the facts but don't say god is scientific cuz it's just not.

    • @aditilokhande6633
      @aditilokhande6633 Год назад +23

      Ikr! It's just so annoying. Those religious fanatics always keep finding ways to prove God created earth in so called scientific ways.

    • @lnsflare1
      @lnsflare1 Год назад +19

      Godzilla, on the other hand, is ultra-scientific. Especially the Mecha version.

    • @TakeAchance365
      @TakeAchance365 Год назад +38

      I know my creators personally and I call them mom and dad lol 😂 and those are the only creators who I believe in and that actually exist

    • @Ugg_Son_Of_Thogg
      @Ugg_Son_Of_Thogg Год назад +19

      A religion is not scientific unless it for some reason teaches you the scientific method and tells you to accept your ignorance and search for knowledge because this religion is not THE truth, it's the way to find truth. But I don't see any religion like that.

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Год назад +12

      ​@@aditilokhande6633 they can't even proof their god exists,

  • @SCPguy-06
    @SCPguy-06 Год назад +143

    Please post the clip from that video where they argued that dna is like computer code where you went
    “MOTHER!! MOTHER!!!! I HAVE AWAKENED!!!”
    That clip was hilarious

    • @bluehairedemon
      @bluehairedemon Год назад +4

      truly the best forrest clip

    • @vianneyb.8776
      @vianneyb.8776 Год назад +14

      "I HAVE TOUCHED THE BEARD OF ODIN!"
      We also need the clip of one of Forrest's best quotes: "Koala bears aren't bears, a tit mouse is neither a breast nor a rodent, and I don't have to praise the Pope of Poop simply because I've said "holy crap", Matt!"

    • @sharimeline3077
      @sharimeline3077 Год назад

      I just saw it a couple days ago and posted it to my social media because that shit is HILARIOUS.

    • @blakksheep736
      @blakksheep736 Год назад

      He did!

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Год назад +188

    The fact that we even have to spend time on this in 2023

    • @wesley6442
      @wesley6442 Год назад +17

      That's exactly my sentiment, we just need to ignore them and stop giving them the time of day otherwise they are going to think that what they "believe" and it is "faith" is worth debating because it is not, it is an antiquated, outdated frame of mind and our species has moved on since superstitious times..

    • @80slimshadys
      @80slimshadys Год назад

      ​@@wesley6442 that won't work, that will cause religion to spread again if it's left unchecked. It's like in the nutrition sphere how low carb and Paleo crowds grow because the research scientists and those that actually have a well read understanding of the the science aren't going around explaining why they're bat shit crazy because they have jobs and don't care for debate because the science is so clear debating it is beneath them, like how debating religion is beneath the atheist as you say. You can't let inane BS go left unchecked or it will brainwash the population.

    • @DreadEnder
      @DreadEnder Год назад +1

      The fact that we have to spend time on this in 2023, 4 weeks after you said, “the fact that we even have to spend time on this in 2033.”

    • @panda6907
      @panda6907 Год назад +14

      ​@@wesley6442 I can completely understand your position, unfortunately the masses are very stupid and gullible. It's very easy to gain followers if you can tell them what they want to hear. We can't just let these psychos manipulate vulnerable people, we have to give the fact to their lies.

    • @Programm4r
      @Programm4r Год назад

      @@wesley6442Darwinian evolution is a 4,000 year old religion invented by the ancient Hindus. Deal with it.

  • @danf7568
    @danf7568 Год назад +21

    Education of biology replaces mysticism with the physical aspects of our reality and precious existence.

  • @Blue_Azure101
    @Blue_Azure101 Год назад +78

    He is so high, he left his hair behind

  • @johnburn8031
    @johnburn8031 Год назад +38

    I was 🤦🏻‍♂️ until you spoke! Then I was 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @redwagon76
    @redwagon76 Год назад +37

    Forest, whenever you're in Denver I'll buy you a drink. So good.

    • @26beegee
      @26beegee Год назад

      And I’ll buy you one in Cincinnati!

  • @Anglomachian
    @Anglomachian 9 месяцев назад +2

    That's the epistimological equivalent of saying "There's no safer statement in science than that Spongebob cleanses the oceans of plastic"

  • @andrewgodo9799
    @andrewgodo9799 Год назад +10

    I think he meant “gullible” instead of “scientific”

  • @paulmadryga
    @paulmadryga Год назад +13

    "Are you high?"
    Forrest, you rock!

    • @godloves9163
      @godloves9163 11 месяцев назад

      You must be high to believe code can code itself…

    • @paulmadryga
      @paulmadryga 11 месяцев назад

      @@godloves9163 - Valiant effort at strawmanning. Show us the scientist who advocates for that.

    • @godloves9163
      @godloves9163 11 месяцев назад

      @@paulmadryga it’s all there ignorant man. Think with your brain. Fake scientists will ignore any evidence that’s the point.
      You have evidence that code can code itself mr. strawman? Computers? Morse code? Digital? Anything?
      You want to be willingly ignorant and show that you actually hate true science? Because you’re the one that actually claims this because you believe DNA CODE assembled itself WITH NO OBSERVED EVIDENCE 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @TheNightmareRider
    @TheNightmareRider Год назад +24

    "My magic book is above everything and says I win, so there."
    Creationist logic = five year old logic.

    • @Programm4r
      @Programm4r Год назад

      Life doesn’t come from non-life, so atheistic religions lose by default.

    • @a.s.henderson483
      @a.s.henderson483 9 месяцев назад

      My five-year-old takes offense to that. He requires evidence to support a claim, as all rational people should. He dispensed with the Santa Claus myth when he was five (b/c I refuse to lie to my children, unlike all religious parents seeking to indoctrinate), and this old bag of bigotry doesn’t understand the difference between what is true and what he’d like to be true.
      This guy’s outlived his usefulness, and should put his money where his mouth is and see if he goes to “heaven.”

    • @rusluck6620
      @rusluck6620 Месяц назад +1

      *heretic logic

  • @philipclifford2314
    @philipclifford2314 7 месяцев назад +3

    'Scripturally correct'? What does that even mean? Correct doesn't need a qualifier. It is or it isn't. Scripture has nothing to do with it.

  • @theajshortman
    @theajshortman Год назад +12

    As Christian this stuff makes me grind my teeth, many scientists throughout history were religious and they never spouted this nonsense.
    They never saw a conflict. To be truly religious (whatever that is) is to question and seek.

    • @Finckelstein
      @Finckelstein Год назад

      That's because they HAD to be religious. A staggering amount of scientists nowadays simply doesn't believe in these fairy tales anymore.
      Because they're not threatened with torture and murder anymore. Once religion loses its monopoly on violence, people stop pretending to believe in this nonsense.
      It's also a factor as to why most scientists are from the west. Here they're not restrained by bronze age myths and being murdered by the adherents of them.

    • @aximute
      @aximute 8 месяцев назад

      Scientifics were going low profile before18th century. For safety or money donations they were "believers". Atheism is growing at the speed of a galloping horse because it's based on logic and not on invisible reincarnated unicorn.

  • @scottpeugh7066
    @scottpeugh7066 Год назад +3

    Thank you Forest, I just watched the “Witch” video and now this one and I’m so happy to hear you respond to them they way I always do in my head…”ARE YOU HIGH?”

  • @Faesharlyn
    @Faesharlyn Год назад +5

    The conflict behind his eyes yells me that he doesnt really believe it but he knows he has to convince people he does.

  • @jeremysmith3701
    @jeremysmith3701 Год назад +11

    The thing to remember about creationists is that creationists aren't just wrong, they are liars, and they will always lie.

  • @rat_dragon
    @rat_dragon Год назад +16

    I went to a town the other day and a nice old man gave me a small booklet. It explained why evolution is just a "theory" but, surprisingly, also why religion is as well. It explained why religion and evolution both require "faith." Unfortunately, people don't seem to know what "theory" means. They think it's "a random idea" VS "a scientific fact."
    Edit: I wrote "down" instead of "town." That's all I've corrected.

    • @Leith_Crowther
      @Leith_Crowther Год назад +8

      HA. Calling religion a theory is like my ex-boyfriend calling himself “big.”

    • @rat_dragon
      @rat_dragon Год назад +1

      @@Leith_Crowther the booklet meant "evolution is just a theory, but the same can be said for religion."

    • @kaliban4758
      @kaliban4758 Год назад

      ​@@Leith_Crowther lmao

    • @kelliepatrick519
      @kelliepatrick519 Год назад

      It's a decades-old creationist lie, trying to pull science down to the faith level of religion because then it couldn't be taught in public schools

    • @panda6907
      @panda6907 Год назад

      ​@@Leith_Crowther XD rip your ex, that was a serious burn!

  • @petrfedor1851
    @petrfedor1851 Год назад +16

    "Are you high?" That´s the sad part: they aren´t

    • @Therian13
      @Therian13 Год назад +6

      Reminds me of that scene from That 70`s Show.
      A: "Are you on drugs?"
      B: "I am high... on G.O.D."
      A: "..virgin.." "

    • @Therian13
      @Therian13 Год назад

      Yay! I found it!
      ruclips.net/video/ANtmJ_W3OQw/видео.html

    • @tabularasa0606
      @tabularasa0606 Год назад +5

      They are, high on "make believe".

    • @yeet1066
      @yeet1066 Год назад

      He looks like if you asked him that he'd say "hi , fine thank you"

  • @Aury
    @Aury Год назад +3

    "are you high?"
    this made me laugh out loud as few things do, thank you.

  • @andredunbar3773
    @andredunbar3773 Год назад +2

    The Enlightenment is defined by the increased scientific understanding that replies upon observation, experimentation, and rational thinking; _not_ religious argumentation and dogma. What this religious guy is arguing for is a return to the dark ages, which precede the Encouragement.

  • @timg7627
    @timg7627 Год назад +3

    It’s embarrassing to be the same species as these people

  • @bibleburner8426
    @bibleburner8426 Год назад +3

    Every time a theist utters the word "science", science vomits in its mouth a little.

  • @MegaLoucon
    @MegaLoucon Год назад +5

    As soon as I hear the word enlightenment I check out because I know some religious BS will follow.

    • @xINVISIGOTHx
      @xINVISIGOTHx Год назад

      Firmament is another one of those words

  • @Sxcheschka
    @Sxcheschka Год назад +2

    The hypocrisy is that if science and religion got along with each other we would be striving for a much better age, instead of having bickering wars. Keep up the good work Forrest!

  • @FactStorm
    @FactStorm Год назад +6

    "Are you high?"
    LMAO. Don't insult us stoners :)

    • @godloves9163
      @godloves9163 11 месяцев назад

      Yes because you must be stoned to believe code can code itself when it’s never been observed ever in science.

    • @Dawnarow
      @Dawnarow 11 месяцев назад

      LMAO. That made me laugh a good second. I had not thought about that... it's like comparing trump to animals... it's insulting to animals, don't do it. Animals are awesome and we can coexist with them. Trump? If we were all him, we'd kill each other at a higher rate than any genocide in history to pretend we are "all that" when, in fact, we'd be nothing more than parasites. Btw trump has npd and it's nearly untreatable -_-

  • @abqchris2
    @abqchris2 Год назад +3

    I’m high, but I’ll never be high enough for that guys nonsense to sound legit.

    • @johnrussell-bk7lv
      @johnrussell-bk7lv Год назад

      WOOO! STONED MONKEY! The BEST kind! oh shit. I'm a stoned monkey myself... ... ... ... ...
      ...
      ...
      ...
      ...
      ...
      ...YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

  • @BooDevil65
    @BooDevil65 Год назад +5

    As much as I love your videos, and am on your side, please don't sink to the level of insults - you're better than that.

    • @APerson863
      @APerson863 Год назад +10

      The creationist that he's responding to will not care. And I don't think its sinking to anyone's level to treat the ludicrous claims in this more casual manner. These are not claims to be taken seriously, pretending like they should be is perpetuating the idea that there is value in them.

    • @jaropekpawel9139
      @jaropekpawel9139 Год назад +18

      Are we using the same definition of "insult"?

    • @budd2nd
      @budd2nd Год назад +4

      @@jaropekpawel9139lol 😂

    • @panda6907
      @panda6907 Год назад +1

      Since when is being high an insult? 😅

    • @jexelbur6872
      @jexelbur6872 9 месяцев назад

      Well creationists think they’re smarter than everyone else. _Ironically speaking_

  • @claymenefee6999
    @claymenefee6999 9 месяцев назад +1

    Christian: makes assertion without evidence.
    Wow. How unexpected

  • @sharimeline3077
    @sharimeline3077 Год назад +2

    Maybe if he got high, he'd come to a realization about himself and the universe. And he'd stop lying.

  • @johnscaramis2515
    @johnscaramis2515 7 месяцев назад +1

    "It's hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead". However if you have people constantly trying to blow out the candle (of true knowledge), you should not be surprised if the people trying to light the candle (e.g. Forrest) at some point are not trying to convince anymore, but whack those people.
    See Matt Dillahunty over the years

  • @tabularasa0606
    @tabularasa0606 Год назад +4

    Most likely the last option.

  • @garyking9484
    @garyking9484 Год назад +1

    See what happens when you’re an adult with imaginary friends and gods that you worship and talk to daily? Being in love with ancient stories can stump your brain power.

  • @PtylerBeats
    @PtylerBeats 9 месяцев назад +3

    No, no, yes

  • @itsROMPERS...
    @itsROMPERS... Год назад +2

    It's ok if you wanna say "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth", as long as you never say anything else about it, ever again.

    • @dodget3
      @dodget3 11 месяцев назад

      I'm quite alright with "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", but I usually follow up with "and he used the big bang and cosmic evolution to do it"

    • @dodget3
      @dodget3 11 месяцев назад

      Heck it can even be broken up into 6 days like the Bible says if you use the extinction periods as day markers instead of 6, 24 hour periods.

  • @littlemissmistyful
    @littlemissmistyful Год назад +2

    Def high on whatever they put into that incense burner they swing around the church 😂

  • @ryanrevland4333
    @ryanrevland4333 Год назад +1

    Words can mean whatever you want them to if said with conviction.

  • @johnrap7203
    @johnrap7203 Год назад +3

    No.
    No,
    And yes, high on Christian delusion.

  • @godlessrecovery8880
    @godlessrecovery8880 Год назад +1

    The question isn't is he high. It's what is he high on? My guess is spray paint and modeling glue.

  • @Eltravieso71198
    @Eltravieso71198 8 месяцев назад +4

    But...Bible is true! Because it says so! I have tried the same logic with my wife--'cause I say so! Has not worked yet for some reason.

  • @scapegoatiscariot2767
    @scapegoatiscariot2767 11 месяцев назад +1

    I used to listen to this guy's radio show religiously. Man, was I lost. Hail Sagan.

  • @MrKoronaTatr
    @MrKoronaTatr 5 месяцев назад +4

    Another liar for Jesus

  • @markgreen5854
    @markgreen5854 4 месяца назад +1

    Ok, define the terms, then. The scientific method is a process of making a hypothesis, designing an experiment to test the hypothesis, recording results, and finding out if the results support or detract from that hypothesis. The scientific method is not intrinsically atheistic. Scientific is an adjective to describe information derived using the scientific method. Enlightenment means acquiring a significant amount of additional knowledge than before. I take him as saying that the more people have used the scientific method to acquire more knowledge about the world, the less likely the hypothesis for evolution has been supported. The amount of mental gymnastics that proponents of evolutionary theory have to go through to explain how things happened by accident grows over time.

    • @degew9367
      @degew9367 Месяц назад +1

      Accident implies intent. Evolution has been observed, creation has not

  • @bradynutzman4488
    @bradynutzman4488 11 месяцев назад +2

    Science: You came from a rock 3.5 billion years ago.
    Also Science: You guys worship a sky magician.

    • @luish1498
      @luish1498 11 месяцев назад +1

      «Science: You came from a rock 3.5 billion years ago.»
      in what science book tell that?

    • @bradynutzman4488
      @bradynutzman4488 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@luish1498 Smithsonian magazine January 13, 2016.
      "Life and Rocks may have Co-evolved on earth."
      It's such a great read. Many textbooks teach the same thing. You see, I have to tell you what you believe, because most of you don't know.

    • @elhartzer1639
      @elhartzer1639 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@bradynutzman4488So you say we came from rocks and the quote you provide as evidence debunks that by saying we co-evolved. You didnt even read one sentence correctly lol.

    • @bradynutzman4488
      @bradynutzman4488 11 месяцев назад

      @@elhartzer1639 Read the article. It's very short.

    • @bradynutzman4488
      @bradynutzman4488 11 месяцев назад

      @@elhartzer1639 That's the title. Not a quote

  • @casualsleepingdragon8501
    @casualsleepingdragon8501 Год назад +1

    🎶I know you
    I know you
    I know you
    You know me better than you think you do
    As you get high
    As you get high
    As you get high
    As you get high🎶

  • @joachimschoder
    @joachimschoder Год назад +3

    Okay, so "In the beginning God" is scientific. I'd like to see the scientific study you are basing that claim on.
    The existence of the Christian God and "him" creating the Universe is your hypothesis, right? What was your experiment to test that hypothesis? Did you have a control? Where did you publish that study? Was it peer reviewed by people who didn't insist on the conclusion before the review process?

  • @donnyh3497
    @donnyh3497 10 месяцев назад +1

    Oh my dog, the way he says "are. You. High?"😂

  • @kentl7228
    @kentl7228 Год назад +1

    I think the creationist is correct. He is saying that the Hindu religion is correct and is the only one true religion.

  • @nupsi6
    @nupsi6 Год назад

    That is the point.
    It is a general habit used by many fanatic religious believers to "highjack" scientific terms and simply use them for something completely different. By this adding weight to their unfounded claims. The same is done with the term "truth" or "fact".

  • @CityBoiATX
    @CityBoiATX Год назад

    It’s not only a definition problem. It’s an epistemology problem aswell. How we “know” things and come to justified true beliefs. And so much more .

  • @MG-ot2yr
    @MG-ot2yr Год назад +1

    "In the beginning...god created the heavens and the earth" is scientific?
    Then I guess "Once upon a time there were 3 bears, who lived in a house together...." is scientific too!

  • @garymartinez8494
    @garymartinez8494 Год назад +1

    I have the answers to your questions
    1 enlightenment (in) (light) (an) (ment) - is the state of mind reached after a giant blunt is smoked
    2 Scientific (sigh) (and)(tif) (ick)-is the sound made as a giant blunt is smoked
    3 🥴 what was your question again?

  • @aaronpolichar7936
    @aaronpolichar7936 Год назад +2

    Yes, you can safely say it, meaning that saying it isn't going to get you physically harmed. But it still isn't true.

  • @brookejon3695
    @brookejon3695 Год назад +1

    "Are you high?" Is my favorite ender

  • @9Johnny8
    @9Johnny8 Год назад +1

    This guy is right, technically.
    "We can safely say". Freedom of speech, we can safely say it. We'd be wrong, but there's no personal danger to us in saying it.
    "There's nothing more scientific or scripturally correct than 'in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth'" is technically correct if one of the two following is true.
    There's nothing more scientific than 'in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth' OR
    There's nothing more scripturally correct than 'in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth'.
    The second I think is true. I don't recall anything in the scriptures contradicting it at least.

    • @peppermintgal4302
      @peppermintgal4302 Год назад +1

      So, his syntax with the or operator is a bit confusing, but what he's saying is not "(nothing is more scientific) or (not is more scriptural)" but rather "nothing is (more scientific or more scriptural.)" Its the difference between !a | !b and !(a | b). The former is equivalent to !(a+b), aka "it is not true that a and b are both correct," while the latter is equivalent to !a + !b, aka "a is false and b is false."
      This is what he means to say. It is syntactically confusing, though. He wouldve been better off if he said "neither... nor..." instead of "nothing is... or...."
      That being said, I approve of trying to iron man your opposition... even when the opposition is being a goober!

    • @9Johnny8
      @9Johnny8 Год назад

      @@peppermintgal4302 yup, the 'technically' in that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
      I did indeed not apply formal logic rules to grammar. Otherwise my joke wouldn't have worked.

  • @leroyjenkins3744
    @leroyjenkins3744 Год назад +1

    I find it funny that he says scientific enlightenment while advocating for a religion that was started prior to that enlightenment in the same sentence.

  • @DaveTexas
    @DaveTexas Год назад +1

    He can’t be high. If he was high, he’d be admitting that he doesn’t actually believe any of the bullshit he peddles.

  • @paullanoue5228
    @paullanoue5228 Год назад +1

    You’re right Forrest this guy is wasted of the opium of masses. The addiction can keep people in a fantasy world their entire lives.

  • @christianpena6396
    @christianpena6396 9 месяцев назад

    I think a lot of us have no business worrying about this, I understand us as humans there’s natural curiosity. However, none of us in the comments are making a feesible argument, it’s all just insults and bandwagon against the man who expressed his beliefs. Which is understandable, we’re bred to believe what we hear whether it’s evolution or creation. Experience it for yourself do your own research and come to your own conclusion.

  • @MasamiPhoenix
    @MasamiPhoenix Год назад +1

    See, its a trick question of the "mathematicians answer variety."
    He says there is "nothing more scientific OR scriptually correct than 'In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth."
    Since that statement IS scriptually correct, it completes one of the two halves of the or statement, meaning the statement is true, regardless of how scientifically inaccurate it is.

    • @peppermintgal4302
      @peppermintgal4302 Год назад +1

      Lets be real, he's using an odd, colloquial definition of or where what you mean is and. (Yes, this is a thing people do, and all the time. Yes, it is ironic. Its kind of like people using literally in a metaphorical way.)
      The way it works is that theres an assumed either bundled up in the or. "There is nothing that is either more scientific or scripturally correct..." See how that changes the meaning? Language will sometimes take efficiency over clarity, and this is a case of that.
      But I mean your point is still a funny point lol

    • @MasamiPhoenix
      @MasamiPhoenix Год назад

      @@peppermintgal4302 yeah, language is pretty weird that way. I know what he really meant, I just enjoy being literal and pedantic, especially to make fun of people.

  • @XDRONIN
    @XDRONIN Год назад +2

    How Dare you suggest he is _High_ ?
    Being _High_ makes you _cool_
    😏😏

  • @PasteurizedLettuce
    @PasteurizedLettuce Год назад +1

    Why do people like this even bother to debate fundamentalists at this lebel. They’re not going to change. Especially old ones.

    • @stevenseagal5950
      @stevenseagal5950 Год назад +1

      It's not so much trying to change their minds, but to show their followers that they're being lied to

  • @bbpoisonn
    @bbpoisonn Год назад +1

    How is it a debate when one is wrong by every objective measure and unprovable because it is complete fantasy?

  • @AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV
    @AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV 11 месяцев назад +2

    "Daytime is at least 4 days older than the sun."
    -The Bible

    • @Fade2Dark
      @Fade2Dark 8 месяцев назад

      Since we’re making up quotes, “maggots come from raw meat” -Charles Darwin

    • @AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV
      @AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Fade2Dark I'm not the one who wrote Genesis though. Maybe you should have read Genesis before leaving this pointless comment (especially since I don't worship Darwin SMH).

    • @Fade2Dark
      @Fade2Dark 8 месяцев назад

      @@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV nature is your creator lol

    • @Fade2Dark
      @Fade2Dark 7 месяцев назад

      @@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV btw, I think you’re confusing days as in 24 hour periods with day time 12 hour periods. So yeah. You made up a quote.

  • @morphman86
    @morphman86 Год назад

    "In the beginning" is a bit of a mistranslation.
    The original phrase means something closer to "When Time came into existence", which changes the context completely.

  • @RexfelisLXIX
    @RexfelisLXIX Год назад +2

    You are not, in fact, using the same definitions.

  • @red_wullf
    @red_wullf Год назад +1

    It’s simple, really. He doesn’t actually understand what the word “science” means. As is so often the case when dealing with fundies, climate deniers, flat earthers, etc., etc.

  • @jipersson
    @jipersson Год назад +1

    LOL! The amount of things there's scientifically wrong with that "and" 8 words into the bible, connecting heaven and earth is staggering! 9.2 billion years, 2 trillion galaxies, and the entire periodic table of elements!

  • @ianmorin8017
    @ianmorin8017 11 месяцев назад +1

    I am Christian and I believe that God did indeed crate the heavens and the earth. But that is philosophical debate, not a scientific one. In my opinion science points to God, and I enjoy it’s intricacy and ability to be studied in awe of its creator. No matter what can we not all share a love of science and it’s beauty (and disgustingness) no matter how it came to be? Though I do pose to any materialist here the question of how they suppose the world they study came to be. I empathise with the fact that you think that man is insane as I once would have but also, is not such a flamboyant claim aimed at scientists (for decades I may add, this principle of science being God’s creation kickstarted modern science) something to be investigated? You say “are you high?” as a joke but at some point this must be addressed as a serious matter…

    • @Fade2Dark
      @Fade2Dark 8 месяцев назад

      @@AnonYmous-yj9ibthere is one aspect of science that can indirectly prove god by proving atheism is false and that is chemistry. Life cannot, by any means, come from non-life by natural conditions. Atheism remains in checkmate for over 2,000 years.

  • @rockmusicvideoreviewer896
    @rockmusicvideoreviewer896 Год назад

    things take time to change. Religious people, especially catholics and even the pope, are beginning to believe in evolution. People have believe in god for thousands of years, but evolution concept has only been around a couple hundred years.

  • @ez9566
    @ez9566 Год назад

    Since people do believe creationism is fact and are beyond change, you could Always Show them that fact. Ask them If something could Change their mind and If they dont have anything, that in fact means that the whole reasoning process is useless, since they will just See their own argument validated in every form there is

  • @bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950
    @bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950 Год назад

    I think the confusion is with the word 'more'. He meant 'less'.

  • @Oksure1234
    @Oksure1234 2 месяца назад +2

    Honestly that creationist make sense.
    There must be something inmaterial that brought the material world. Its quite correct no matter how much you scream in disgust.

    • @degew9367
      @degew9367 Месяц назад

      Prove it

    • @Oksure1234
      @Oksure1234 Месяц назад

      @@degew9367The proof is all the things around you having the Baker of the gaps or the chef of the gaps. there isnt just any alternative to this conclusion though. Not to mention there is no proof for macroevolution . (And that was not even an alternative)
      everything material needs to have a cause. Except the first cause, for the first cause is immaterial that brought the material to be.

    • @degew9367
      @degew9367 Месяц назад +2

      @@Oksure1234 so you don't have any empirical evidence that says something material can't come from something immaterial? Just because material things can come from material things doesn't mean they can't come from the immaterial. Do you have any actual evidence or not?
      We observe bakers and chefs making food. It's testable and repeatable. Have you observed God making the universe?
      Macroevolution has been observed and repeated multiple times

    • @Oksure1234
      @Oksure1234 Месяц назад

      @@degew9367 the evidence is the food that is cooked. For we have observed and tested that food does not come out of another food suddenly, It requires a cook .
      What evidence suggests that material(time space and mass) doesn't come out of the inmaterial? In fact the evidence is that everything has a cause that lead to the one first cause which is God.
      No but even if you haven't observed that the chef cooks that food on the table, you would still know it comes from a cook, even if you see some odd shaped art you first ask who created this ?? Not how can this be?.
      What proof do you suggest about macroevolution???

    • @snaptrap5558
      @snaptrap5558 Месяц назад

      It is actually most mathematically probable that this universe is a simulation, so another material world brought this world into existence, not a supernatural creator

  • @mitchellcarter9760
    @mitchellcarter9760 9 месяцев назад +1

    Creationists grasping at straws at this point.

  • @seekerhonest
    @seekerhonest 8 месяцев назад

    Either something is "scripturally correct" OR it is scientific.

  • @Orsonfoe
    @Orsonfoe 10 месяцев назад

    Nope they never use the same definition. They will always use it vaguely so they can quickly change ot when they start loosing the argument or get back into a corner with questions.

  • @adrianghandtchi1562
    @adrianghandtchi1562 Год назад +1

    Oh man I love Forrest, I saw this vid before. He was absolutely baffled by this guy.

  • @UKFANINJAPAN
    @UKFANINJAPAN Год назад

    I guess when your religion states, in the beginning Nothing made everything. Very enlightening

  • @ChipArgyle
    @ChipArgyle Год назад

    Is it demonstrable? Is it directly observable? Is it repeatable? Is it testable? Does the data collected lead in only one direction, or in this hypothesis, could the origin be literally any creator god and not just this fellow's personally preferred version of a deity?

  • @Themery36
    @Themery36 Год назад

    Can you please do a reacteria to the Evolution episode of Futurama? I know that is not usually the type of thing you react to, but it could be cool to point out what they got right or wrong or you could explain some of the jokes better. I recently re-watched that episode and I couldn't help but think if you.

  • @michaeljordan4665
    @michaeljordan4665 9 месяцев назад

    “Are you high” took me out the game 😂😂😂

  • @dquzmanovic
    @dquzmanovic 6 дней назад

    What's exactly unscientific about the claim?
    Where is the argument?

    • @Lolefin23
      @Lolefin23 4 дня назад

      There is no argument , he is just stating that god exists
      If he uses any argument it only be circular

  • @mr_whitehair
    @mr_whitehair Год назад

    Lmao. Forrest usually gets into specifics and really proves his point so it's nice to see him just poke fun for once😂

  • @xImBeaST12321x
    @xImBeaST12321x Год назад

    I love the not-so-subtle equivocation between science and what counts as scripturally correct

  • @TreeHairedGingerAle
    @TreeHairedGingerAle Год назад +1

    😂😂😂 Christians always out here speaking like it's opposite day. So when he said, "there is nothing more scientific", I'm translating it as "there is nothing less" 💅🏾

  • @arsenicum6111
    @arsenicum6111 Год назад

    do you have full video link?

  • @Yarrg
    @Yarrg Год назад

    Are we using the same definition of enlightenment? Apparently not because materialism does not equate per se to "enlightenment" so let's play a game called "Aristotle" shall we? Also, he very well could have been high and his arguments still valid. That's why it's called an "abusive ad him". He could be high and right. He could be high and wrong. The validity argument ( not that I believed his to be good) in and of itself , exists independently of his state of mind ( high or not). That's like saying Biblical Creation is contingent upon your testosterone levels. The truth or falsity of the claim is independent of your "T" levels. In a non-sequitur.

  • @colinfrederick9033
    @colinfrederick9033 6 месяцев назад

    The science he's referring to is the evidence of a universal timeline. Everything is in decay and the universe appears to have a point of origin, this would suggest a "beginning" to the universe. According to science, matter can neither be created nor destroyed, thus the reconciliation between those two facts is that there must be something outside of our universe that we cannot observe and that does not abide by the laws of this universe that brought about the universe in said beginning. A name commonly given to that thing is "God." Thus, the Bible actually supplies the same answer to the origins of the universe as science does, but does so with a greater detail of explanation. The rejection of theism is not the pursuit of science, it's the pursuit of senselessness.

    • @DoggishPrince34
      @DoggishPrince34 6 месяцев назад +3

      Nothing is in decay. As the universe expands, energy is spread out thinner through all of it, which leads to the heat death of the universe when the universe expands too much. The point of origin has all the same energy and matter as it does now, just infinitely more dense. The universe doesn’t need a cause to have a beginning.

    • @colinfrederick9033
      @colinfrederick9033 6 месяцев назад

      @@DoggishPrince34 Your closing statement is unrelated to your body of evidence. The universe appearing to be in a state of decay suggests that the universe has a beginning. A beginning demands a cause. Arguing against a state of decay is to argue against the claim that the entire matter of the universe does not have a beginning. If the argument that you're making is that the universe has always existed, then in that case yes, the universe does not have a cause, but if anyone concedes to the universe having a beginning, they concede to the universe having a cause by default.

  • @RoadRanger314
    @RoadRanger314 Год назад

    Out of curiosity what are the odds of a cell spontaneously coming into existence and then just curious what are the odds of that happening?

    • @elhartzer1639
      @elhartzer1639 Год назад

      A legitimate question? Then define "sponatanious coming into existence"

  • @peterlamboy5940
    @peterlamboy5940 5 месяцев назад +1

    He's definitely on something.

  • @limpfall13
    @limpfall13 Год назад +1

    As someone who was raised Christian and who has family members who are and not do I hate the idea of a god but it’s when one beings to use that hypothesis that belive without proof to justify immoral actions is were I draw the line luckily this video isn’t about that this is just a misunderstanding of the scientific conensus of the universe beginnings vs religion. Is religion itself bad? No hardly some of my core values as a person came from being raised Christian it becomes a issue however when someone uses their reglious belives to justify harm as stated in the beginning of this comment (yes I realize the redundancy of mentioning it twice no I’m not gonna fix it I’m far to tired. )
    But to say that Christianity and science agree on the origin of the universe and that it’s the most scientific and faith based belive is just plain misinformation.

    • @heinshaaine8153
      @heinshaaine8153 Год назад

      Religiousness is fundamentally bad. Both for society as it creates unnecessary divides, with one side percieiving themselves as ultimate good with 5he justification for any atrocity against anyone they deem demonic and
      Individually as once youre ready to believe one thing only on faith, you are ready to believe other things without good Reason, it poisons the ability to think straight

  • @Malkmusianful
    @Malkmusianful Год назад +1

    Not just that, but if you actually read the Bible and not just read the really fucked-up shock passages, the creationist is dead wrong about how to read Genesis. Genesis is very explicitly designed to be an allegory about the human experience (hence why there are humans who created the limited lifespan, the different regional languages and unrelated languages, the settlement of the Fertile Crescent and the delineation of Israelites and everybody else, and the Israel tribal system), not an actual by-the-minutes historical testimony written by God himself. I know there's a lot to be said about religion poisoning everything, but Biblical literalism is the gotdanged strychnine.

  • @landajb6878
    @landajb6878 7 месяцев назад

    Let me start by saying that I respect everyone's opinion. I do wonder, though, how we are able to believe that something as complex as life and nature just happened. Imagine if I tell you that the latest modern car just happened by accident or evolved into what it is now (with all its features in the right place for the right purpose), or my latest iPhone/computer just happened, you would laugh at me. Because there is no way something organized and with purpose can just create itself. Everything we know in life was made by somebody, so wouldn't it be logical to at least acknowledge the fact that the earth and every organized, complex and purposeful thing on it could have been made by someone, too?

    • @SilverEye91
      @SilverEye91 7 месяцев назад +1

      What do you mean "just happened". No one has ever said that life "just" happen. It's waaaaay more complicated than that. And you must know that.

    • @landajb6878
      @landajb6878 7 месяцев назад

      @@SilverEye91 How do you explain the "big explosion" in the beginning? Who made it happen?

    • @SilverEye91
      @SilverEye91 7 месяцев назад

      @@landajb6878 For one, it wasn't an explosion. Secondly we don't know what came before it. It is as far back as we can see. Scientists don't just want to make something up you know. They require proof.
      Also, why does it have to have been triggered by a person? Earth quakes aren't triggered by anyone. Mountains aren't made by anyone. Why do you act like everything is?

    • @SilverEye91
      @SilverEye91 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@landajb6878You don't have a response to that?

    • @nicogratama8877
      @nicogratama8877 7 месяцев назад +1

      What about the talking donkey in the Bible? Can you explain that one to me Shrek?

  • @TheMusalagari
    @TheMusalagari 7 месяцев назад

    Can any creationist explain how did all the marsupials traveled from Australia to the middle east to board the noha ark and travel back to Australia after the great flood??? Did they hop back with 0 evidence of migration ?? Or did they swim back to Australia??? Or did the unicorn carry them back to Australia???

  • @joshuawayneyork
    @joshuawayneyork 3 месяца назад

    That was almost as cringe inducing as every single song ever played on the radio after 1999