However, in my recent experience, non-Zillow links in the MLS are only shown as hypertext links on the Property Details tab, not as a button on the front pic.
Matterport also has the measuring and tagging features which you didn’t mention. There’s also an automated walk through feature on the Matterport which is really cool.
The Z1 looks amazing. Just bought a Theta V and decided to use Matterport since Zillow 3D doesn’t work in Canada at the moment. Might have to sell my V and upgrade to the Z1
I think this was super helpful!! Especially because I am in the market to purchase a Theta Z1. Now I can see the image quality on Matterport. I do think the matterport tours, transitions and dollhouse are going to be the emerging Gold Standard. They just plain got that one really really "right".
I don't know. Matterport is nice, but in my area i cannot sell it. I can sell the standalone tours using CloudPano no problem. In other areas, Matterport is king.
I've been doing a lot of Matterport tours for a house flipper since the pandemic started. The people buying the houses like to zoom in on the walls and other areas looking for defects. I recently bought a Z1 to see how it would do, the image quality is not nearly as good. The Z1 has a lot of fringing, and there's not nearly as much detail. In fact if you want to hide some wear and tear on a house, the Z1 is the way to go. However, you can do outdoor spaces much easier with the Z1, because you can get the time shift plug in so you don't have to hide for each pano. You can make raw images, process them, and upload to Benaco to get a real virtual tour, instead of those glorified slide shows CloudPano does.
Everyone's experience is entirely subjective. I've not had one complaint, neither have any others I have interacted with. If I was concerned with detail and the highest quality, I would use a proper camera for these things. These tours are simply just a way to allow people to tour ahead of time and I think, in general, people are smart enough to know that they aren't going to be able to see every single detail in a virtual tour. The idea is to get them to see it in person. Thanks for the thoughts!
Great vid Jordan! Just wanted to note that you can add navigational arrows between every room in a Zillow 3D Home tour if you wish using the editing dashboard here: www.zillow.com/z/3d-home/your-dashboard. Keep up the great work!
A little more specifics on gear used would be great. I picked up a motorized 360 tripod head and a wide angle clip on lens and iPhone holder last weekend so I could utilize the Zillow app being free and take advantage of the current virus situation. Did 7 tours first week paying for my gear purchase 10 times over. Not the greatest quality but I’m offering them so cheap at $99 for an add-on to standard photos or $149 a la carte. I think agents like the price tag and slight sacrifice in quality over a matterport costing 3 times as much.
Hi Patrick - I mentioned in the video that all I used was the Ricoh Theta Z1 and sits on a monopod. That is it. That's awesome you made your money back and then some! Keep it up.
Hey you were mentioning other software other then Matterport that offers the same pano to pano transition. Do you have a few ideas that you can mention. Thank you
I don't know of any that offer the SAME transition, I just know there are some that have transition and I can't think of the name off the top of my head. Either the one that Ricoh offers or Kuula or another one. Not sure, sorry! Stlll new to this :)
Thanks for the video. You show the difference between them very simple way and clear. One question, did you shoot one time for Matterport and another one for Zillow/Cloudpano or you can upload to the three apps with only one shoot? Thanks,
Matterport and Zillow are both proprietary. You can use the images that you shoot in either platform for an independent/standalone tour, but not vice-versa.
I would say that it is a toss u between the 3. I haven't pushed them a lot. Generally speaking, 1/3rd of the agents who get a virtual tour will go with Matterport, another 3rd will go with Zillow, and the remaining will go with the standalone. Again, I haven't pushed it much so not doing a lot of these. Maybe a couple each month.
Great video. I'm a transitioning Realtor and my question to you is; with all the options for agents to uses their phones and do their own tour, are you finding it hard to sell them? I know they can be cheap as a Realtor, you're always looking for ways to stand out and offer more to get the Listing. Or does it really depend on the sales volume of each Agent? Waiting on my Z1 to arrive now and practicing with my Fusion. Thank you!
Honestly, I stopped trying to sell to agents a long time ago. There are some that prefer to not spend money and I really don't work with them anymore. The handful of clients that i do have are very loyal and use me for every listing. I simply tell them this - "anything that you hire out to make your listing stand out will help you get the listing... but more importantly, it shows that you understand that you need to stick with what you are good at so you can better serve your clients.". I just operate from that mindset.
Unfortunately, Zillow discontinued the walk-through video from a phone. Now you need to upload a third party video if you want to offer that. You can still add the 3D tour, but with a phone it takes a lot of time. With the Z1 you can do it in 10 minutes per house. Your listings will be much more attractive for buyers and sellers.
Hey Jordan, thanks for the videos! I too have the same set up as you so my question is, why deviate from a Zillow tour, why use CloudPano for your real estate? Are there certain homes that your agent would prefer a CloudPano tour rather than a Zillow tour? Thanks, I am just wondering if I need to leverage my CloudPano somehow. I just don’t see them as wanting to pay even more for a hosted tour like CloudPano.
Sarah Wagner I am still very new to all of this and am trying to figure it all out myself. Offering the 3 different options for the time being just to see which one sells the best. I will most likely end up reserving the cloudpano versions for commercial work and just stick with Zillow 3D home and Matterport for real estate. We will see!
Great video! Do you know if you can shoot the zillow 3D and also retrieve those shots to use in another system? Btw, you can add other tours to Zillow as a link in the virtual tour section but it won't show the sticker that says you have Zillow 3D. Zillow says you get more views if you use their 3D but again, others can be added.
@@JRDNPWRS Would you mind elaborating more on this? I use MatterPort with a camera that is not supported by Zillow's 3D services. Once I upload the tour as a "virtual tour" for the MLS, what exactly do I have to do that you mentioned above? And what would be the advantage of doing this vs just leaving it as is?
@@JRDNPWRS I think I found the answer to my question. I was wondering if you could upload a Matterport virtual tour to a Zillow listing and have it have the "3D Home" pin on the listing like when using the "Zillow 3D Home" app. The answer sadly is no.
When using the duel fisheye mode are you able to use your theta app from your phone? I have an android and when I activate duel fisheye mode and try to fire up the theta app it gives me a warning saying I can't use it while in fisheye mode. I have the note 10.
You can add a non-Zillow tour to Zillow... it has to be through the virtual tour link that's loaded on the MLS which is then scraped by Zillow. However, Zillow buries it deeply in "additional facts and figures" so it's essentially useless for marketing.
Whidbey Home Tours I don’t know any agents who will take the time to do that :) I have a hard enough time trying to tell them to put the links i send in the virtual tour section, lol
Thanks for sharing this! I am usually pretty picky when it comes to my photography and did not want to offer 3d tours because the quality was always sub par. However with the demand growing, I decided to get into it. I just started offering the Matterport tours using the Theta Z1 and have been pretty surprised and happy with the results. Of course there is always room for improvement and I guess as the technology improves these will get better. One question I have for you. In your video you said the quality of the Cloud Pano was better than the Matterport. I am not sure if it looks different on your monitor but in the video the Matterport looked crisper and cleaner than the Cloud Pano. Is there a significant difference between how it looks in the video as opposed to seeing it on your monitor?
George Crudo Photography I really think it depends on the monitor because on my iMac the cloud panel looks better. I will also say this… Photographers are extra picky when it comes to image quality. The average consumer is not going to knows the difference.
@@JRDNPWRS Thanks for the response! I am also viewing on a 2019 iMac. I guess I should just try a trial version of Cloud Pano to compare for myself. The agents and sellers really like that dollhouse though :)
No - I don't own a Matterport camera. I did compare some matterport tours with the quality of this and it isn't really that significant. Especially for the layperson.
@@JRDNPWRS I like what I see on their website with being able to integrate floor plans but it seems expensive. I am not ready to spend that kind of money unless I know I will get a good ROI. Cloudpano seems a less expensive way to go and I can incorporate Cubicasa floor plans with that, don't you think? So far I have only used Zillow 3D tours and the agents are happy with the results.
Rowell Media well, I guide creates the floor plan as you scan the photos. With cloudpano you need to create the floor plan separate with another service and upload manually. Either way, with just using the Ricoh, I have a stand-alone 360 camera that works with multiple platforms.
Not 100% profit at all... so your time is not valuable and you work for free??? Time selling, calling, texting and scheduling... time driving to the location, time walking the property to tidy up and get your tour planned, actual shoot time, drive back to process and upload, time for billing and getting paid... and you charge 100. or 150. ... way to go you're making less than $10./hour... wake up people.
Not sure who you are telling to wake up, but I'll take the bait. For me, I spend 0 time selling. It is on my order form. I don't shoot virtual tours unless a photo shoot is attached to it. I am already on location. If they want it, they add it on. I spend zero time calling or texting either. Scheduling is automated. Time driving to the property is built into my cost as I charge based on location. Price changes based on zip code (again, all automated). I don't shoot a property unless it is ready, otherwise I shoot as-is and they get what they get. Processing time? Less time than a photo shoot. Maybe 30-45 minutes max... or no processing at all if Zillow or Matterport. I charge at little as $50 for a Zillow tour on a 2000 sqft home because it literally takes me 10 minutes and I am done and I know my market and am priced appropriately. I charge a minimum of $125 for a standalone tour which I edit because I know that will take me about 15 minutes on location and around 30 minutes to process. All that said, you really shouldn't take your own business practices and make the assumption that others have not factored all of the things in. As far as I am concerned, if you are actually doing all of the things you just mentioned - you are working too hard. Make your business work for you and charge what is appropriate.
@@JRDNPWRS How long have you been pricing off zip code? Did you get much pushback from clients on this? I am currently trying to figure out a pricing structure that is not overly complicated for clients while also trying to figure out a Smart pricing structure business wise for myself. I am just starting out and trying to gather as much info as I can. I appreciate your videos, thank you!
Jonathan Lopez I was essentially just charging for travel but it is built into my pricing. I never had any pushback. I actually just recently switched it back to charging travel because it was just easier to maintain when I needed to make updates to pricing.
@@JRDNPWRS I personally think you can up your price a lot more. Think this as a marketing tool rather than a photography shoot. You are helping agent sell house worth millions dollars. I mean think yourself as a markting person rather just a photographer take some pic. The value of the tours is way more than $50 or even a couple of hundrends. This is my 2 cents opinon. No offense.
Also, when shooting a Zillow tour in settings you can choose to keep the panos on the Ricoh incase you would like to them for Social or other tour platforms
you can add virtual tours to zillow other than their own tours. they may pick it up through the mls listing...but they are there.
Learned that after making this. Thanks for sharing for everyone to see. Will pin this.
However, in my recent experience, non-Zillow links in the MLS are only shown as hypertext links on the Property Details tab, not as a button on the front pic.
Matterport also has the measuring and tagging features which you didn’t mention. There’s also an automated walk through feature on the Matterport which is really cool.
Nice work Jordan, always learn a thing or two from your videos!
Awesome! Thank you!
The Z1 looks amazing. Just bought a Theta V and decided to use Matterport since Zillow 3D doesn’t work in Canada at the moment. Might have to sell my V and upgrade to the Z1
Hatch Media id recommend it!
I think this was super helpful!! Especially because I am in the market to purchase a Theta Z1. Now I can see the image quality on Matterport. I do think the matterport tours, transitions and dollhouse are going to be the emerging Gold Standard. They just plain got that one really really "right".
I don't know. Matterport is nice, but in my area i cannot sell it. I can sell the standalone tours using CloudPano no problem. In other areas, Matterport is king.
@Go Guerilla Foto I charge more for standalone tours.
The transitions and dollhouse are surely features that clients will prefer
I don't like to generalize. Depends on the area you are in. Matterport isn't really that popular here.
For the cloudpano images, did you take bracketed photos or just edit a single exposure? Thanks for the comparison!
I used the Dual Fisheye plugin.
I've been doing a lot of Matterport tours for a house flipper since the pandemic started. The people buying the houses like to zoom in on the walls and other areas looking for defects. I recently bought a Z1 to see how it would do, the image quality is not nearly as good. The Z1 has a lot of fringing, and there's not nearly as much detail. In fact if you want to hide some wear and tear on a house, the Z1 is the way to go. However, you can do outdoor spaces much easier with the Z1, because you can get the time shift plug in so you don't have to hide for each pano. You can make raw images, process them, and upload to Benaco to get a real virtual tour, instead of those glorified slide shows CloudPano does.
Everyone's experience is entirely subjective. I've not had one complaint, neither have any others I have interacted with. If I was concerned with detail and the highest quality, I would use a proper camera for these things. These tours are simply just a way to allow people to tour ahead of time and I think, in general, people are smart enough to know that they aren't going to be able to see every single detail in a virtual tour. The idea is to get them to see it in person. Thanks for the thoughts!
Dale just curious, have you ever tried this with a Gopro Max?
Thank you Jordan. Your videos are always straight to the point, concise and full of business sense.
thanks for doing this. looking into this now. found some tours that let you use a smartphone also.
Great vid Jordan! Just wanted to note that you can add navigational arrows between every room in a Zillow 3D Home tour if you wish using the editing dashboard here: www.zillow.com/z/3d-home/your-dashboard. Keep up the great work!
A little more specifics on gear used would be great. I picked up a motorized 360 tripod head and a wide angle clip on lens and iPhone holder last weekend so I could utilize the Zillow app being free and take advantage of the current virus situation. Did 7 tours first week paying for my gear purchase 10 times over. Not the greatest quality but I’m offering them so cheap at $99 for an add-on to standard photos or $149 a la carte. I think agents like the price tag and slight sacrifice in quality over a matterport costing 3 times as much.
He shot all these with the Ricoh Theta Z1. The only additional gear I imagine would be a tripod and an iPhone.
Hi Patrick - I mentioned in the video that all I used was the Ricoh Theta Z1 and sits on a monopod. That is it. That's awesome you made your money back and then some! Keep it up.
Great video! What program(s) do you use to edit your photos, before uploading to CloudPano? (Lightroom? Premiere Pro? Photoshop?)
Hey you were mentioning other software other then Matterport that offers the same pano to pano transition. Do you have a few ideas that you can mention. Thank you
I don't know of any that offer the SAME transition, I just know there are some that have transition and I can't think of the name off the top of my head. Either the one that Ricoh offers or Kuula or another one. Not sure, sorry! Stlll new to this :)
Thanks for the video. You show the difference between them very simple way and clear. One question, did you shoot one time for Matterport and another one for Zillow/Cloudpano or you can upload to the three apps with only one shoot? Thanks,
Matterport and Zillow are both proprietary. You can use the images that you shoot in either platform for an independent/standalone tour, but not vice-versa.
Can you show your workflow of processing the images and getting them to the 360 provider?
Ha! Yeah - I meant to make this video private because I am finishing that one up. Should be up this evening.
Posted a new video showing this!
Great video! I’m curious what your settings are on the Z1? Thanks!
6 months in, which one has ended up being the one you use the most, or the most requested?
I would say that it is a toss u between the 3. I haven't pushed them a lot. Generally speaking, 1/3rd of the agents who get a virtual tour will go with Matterport, another 3rd will go with Zillow, and the remaining will go with the standalone. Again, I haven't pushed it much so not doing a lot of these. Maybe a couple each month.
This is a great video. Do you have any other recommended resources for new virtual companies? Thanks.
Anything Ben Claremont puts out.
In Matterpport we have options to export virtual tours to a web page or Facebook? Can we get a link or a file with the tour?
Great video. I'm a transitioning Realtor and my question to you is; with all the options for agents to uses their phones and do their own tour, are you finding it hard to sell them? I know they can be cheap as a Realtor, you're always looking for ways to stand out and offer more to get the Listing. Or does it really depend on the sales volume of each Agent? Waiting on my Z1 to arrive now and practicing with my Fusion. Thank you!
Honestly, I stopped trying to sell to agents a long time ago. There are some that prefer to not spend money and I really don't work with them anymore. The handful of clients that i do have are very loyal and use me for every listing. I simply tell them this - "anything that you hire out to make your listing stand out will help you get the listing... but more importantly, it shows that you understand that you need to stick with what you are good at so you can better serve your clients.". I just operate from that mindset.
Unfortunately, Zillow discontinued the walk-through video from a phone. Now you need to upload a third party video if you want to offer that. You can still add the 3D tour, but with a phone it takes a lot of time. With the Z1 you can do it in 10 minutes per house. Your listings will be much more attractive for buyers and sellers.
What are matapor classed as?
Hey Jordan, thanks for the videos! I too have the same set up as you so my question is, why deviate from a Zillow tour, why use CloudPano for your real estate? Are there certain homes that your agent would prefer a CloudPano tour rather than a Zillow tour? Thanks, I am just wondering if I need to leverage my CloudPano somehow. I just don’t see them as wanting to pay even more for a hosted tour like CloudPano.
Sarah Wagner I am still very new to all of this and am trying to figure it all out myself. Offering the 3 different options for the time being just to see which one sells the best. I will most likely end up reserving the cloudpano versions for commercial work and just stick with Zillow 3D home and Matterport for real estate. We will see!
Great video! Do you know if you can shoot the zillow 3D and also retrieve those shots to use in another system?
Btw, you can add other tours to Zillow as a link in the virtual tour section but it won't show the sticker that says you have Zillow 3D. Zillow says you get more views if you use their 3D but again, others can be added.
Others have mentioned that since posting. Appreciate it! Yes, you can go into the Zillow app into the property and copy the url or an embed code.
@@JRDNPWRS Would you mind elaborating more on this? I use MatterPort with a camera that is not supported by Zillow's 3D services. Once I upload the tour as a "virtual tour" for the MLS, what exactly do I have to do that you mentioned above? And what would be the advantage of doing this vs just leaving it as is?
@@johnkelley3818 I'm not sure I understand your question.
@@JRDNPWRS I think I found the answer to my question. I was wondering if you could upload a Matterport virtual tour to a Zillow listing and have it have the "3D Home" pin on the listing like when using the "Zillow 3D Home" app. The answer sadly is no.
thank you for this! very helpful
Glad i could help!
When using the duel fisheye mode are you able to use your theta app from your phone? I have an android and when I activate duel fisheye mode and try to fire up the theta app it gives me a warning saying I can't use it while in fisheye mode. I have the note 10.
THANK YOU!
can you tell us what others offer the smooth transitions that Matterport do please?
I'm sorry I am not familiar with other platforms.
You can add a non-Zillow tour to Zillow... it has to be through the virtual tour link that's loaded on the MLS which is then scraped by Zillow. However, Zillow buries it deeply in "additional facts and figures" so it's essentially useless for marketing.
Whidbey Home Tours I don’t know any agents who will take the time to do that :) I have a hard enough time trying to tell them to put the links i send in the virtual tour section, lol
Go Guerilla Foto That is a new feature that isn’t yet available in all areas. At the time of the original post it wasn’t a feature.
Thanks for sharing this!
I am usually pretty picky when it comes to my photography and did not want to offer 3d tours because the quality was always sub par. However with the demand growing, I decided to get into it. I just started offering the Matterport tours using the Theta Z1 and have been pretty surprised and happy with the results. Of course there is always room for improvement and I guess as the technology improves these will get better.
One question I have for you. In your video you said the quality of the Cloud Pano was better than the Matterport. I am not sure if it looks different on your monitor but in the video the Matterport looked crisper and cleaner than the Cloud Pano. Is there a significant difference between how it looks in the video as opposed to seeing it on your monitor?
George Crudo Photography I really think it depends on the monitor because on my iMac the cloud panel looks better. I will also say this… Photographers are extra picky when it comes to image quality. The average consumer is not going to knows the difference.
@@JRDNPWRS Thanks for the response! I am also viewing on a 2019 iMac. I guess I should just try a trial version of Cloud Pano to compare for myself. The agents and sellers really like that dollhouse though :)
@@georgecee7206 How did your Cloudpano end up comparing?
@@ler5299 I never did the cloud pano as a comparison
Did you make the same tour with the Matterport camera as well? Would be interesting for comparison.
No - I don't own a Matterport camera. I did compare some matterport tours with the quality of this and it isn't really that significant. Especially for the layperson.
What do you think about iGuide compared to these?
Rowell Media I’ve heard really good things, but I’m not interested in buying one systems that you can’t do other things with.
@@JRDNPWRS I like what I see on their website with being able to integrate floor plans but it seems expensive. I am not ready to spend that kind of money unless I know I will get a good ROI. Cloudpano seems a less expensive way to go and I can incorporate Cubicasa floor plans with that, don't you think? So far I have only used Zillow 3D tours and the agents are happy with the results.
Rowell Media well, I guide creates the floor plan as you scan the photos. With cloudpano you need to create the floor plan separate with another service and upload manually. Either way, with just using the Ricoh, I have a stand-alone 360 camera that works with multiple platforms.
Not 100% profit at all... so your time is not valuable and you work for free??? Time selling, calling, texting and scheduling... time driving to the location, time walking the property to tidy up and get your tour planned, actual shoot time, drive back to process and upload, time for billing and getting paid... and you charge 100. or 150. ... way to go you're making less than $10./hour... wake up people.
Not sure who you are telling to wake up, but I'll take the bait.
For me, I spend 0 time selling. It is on my order form. I don't shoot virtual tours unless a photo shoot is attached to it. I am already on location. If they want it, they add it on. I spend zero time calling or texting either. Scheduling is automated. Time driving to the property is built into my cost as I charge based on location. Price changes based on zip code (again, all automated).
I don't shoot a property unless it is ready, otherwise I shoot as-is and they get what they get. Processing time? Less time than a photo shoot. Maybe 30-45 minutes max... or no processing at all if Zillow or Matterport.
I charge at little as $50 for a Zillow tour on a 2000 sqft home because it literally takes me 10 minutes and I am done and I know my market and am priced appropriately. I charge a minimum of $125 for a standalone tour which I edit because I know that will take me about 15 minutes on location and around 30 minutes to process.
All that said, you really shouldn't take your own business practices and make the assumption that others have not factored all of the things in. As far as I am concerned, if you are actually doing all of the things you just mentioned - you are working too hard. Make your business work for you and charge what is appropriate.
@Go Guerilla Foto I don't understand what you are suggesting.
@@JRDNPWRS How long have you been pricing off zip code? Did you get much pushback from clients on this? I am currently trying to figure out a pricing structure that is not overly complicated for clients while also trying to figure out a Smart pricing structure business wise for myself. I am just starting out and trying to gather as much info as I can. I appreciate your videos, thank you!
Jonathan Lopez I was essentially just charging for travel but it is built into my pricing. I never had any pushback.
I actually just recently switched it back to charging travel because it was just easier to maintain when I needed to make updates to pricing.
@@JRDNPWRS I personally think you can up your price a lot more. Think this as a marketing tool rather than a photography shoot. You are helping agent sell house worth millions dollars. I mean think yourself as a markting person rather just a photographer take some pic. The value of the tours is way more than $50 or even a couple of hundrends. This is my 2 cents opinon. No offense.
I recently put together a video walking through the connection of the panos within the Zillow ecosystem ~ ruclips.net/video/MSG6ujijnJQ/видео.html
Also, when shooting a Zillow tour in settings you can choose to keep the panos on the Ricoh incase you would like to them for Social or other tour platforms